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Hello, everybody. This is JVL here with my best friends, Sarah Longwell, and Tim Miller

of the bulwark. We're at war still, day four, maybe it's day four. There's lots to talk

about with the war. We have so many reasons for going to war. And sometimes it's for freedom.

Sometimes it's to take the oil. Sometimes it is to protect Israel. Sometimes it is to

protect America. And sometimes it's to end a 47 year war. And also sometimes it's not

even a war at all. It's amazing. And before we start, would either be like to offer introductory

thoughts as to this glorious war we are enjoying right now?

I've got some opening thoughts. Hit me.

So I do think that there is, and we should just put this on the table right up front. There

seems to be a question in the ether from people who don't want to grapple directly with Donald

Trump's war in Iran that is specifically about us. Why don't these former Neocons or potentially

continuing Neocons support automatically this war in Iran? And I'd like to just throw

out a few reasons why I did write an entire newsletter on Monday about all the ways it

could work out just fine. Yeah, the one Neocon that has some rights.

Anyway, I didn't say those things were likely, but I did say like you never know.

Any possible that we could wind up in a better end state?

Sure.

I think it's worth though potentially just laying out why we might be skeptical of this war.

And it's just a few things. I just have a short list. One, no congressional approval.

Two, no case making to the American people, not in the state of the union, not subsequently.

Where we are getting our information currently is not from the White House or over office

addresses. It is from the president's private truth social account, which by the way he

owns, which by the way is like a place. Yeah, like his private, it's a private business.

That is where he is currently sharing with us this information.

Not a very profitable business, Sarah.

It might be because we keep getting conflicting reports from the president himself and the

members of his administration about why we are doing this as JVL noted.

It might be because it does not appear that this was thought through from many of those

statements that we don't actually have a plan for what we're trying to achieve that

is clear, certainly not one that has been made to the American people.

It might be because of things like I don't know. There's an internet blackout in Iran.

And yet Trump is trying to call for the people there to sort of do an uprising.

And yet how are they going to do that? You know what? We would do normally. We would use

the voice of America, our community, the national communications channel we had, but you

know who runs that now? Kerry Lake. Kerry Lake runs that and we've got it. So it doesn't

have the ability to do the work. So we also have an administration that lies about everything,

like absolutely everything. They have bungled things like deporting immigrants to gulags

and foreign countries. They've ignored courts. They have, they've been bungling the economy.

They've been tariffs come on, tariffs come off. There's a million reasons why maybe it's

because the negotiating is being done by Whitcoff famously in love with Putin and the president's

son-in-law who's gotten billions from the Saudis. Maybe it's because this administration

is incredibly corrupt. There's just a lot of reasons why a sentient person, even if they

believe as I do, that the Iranian regime is evil, even if they believe as I do, that

the Iranian people deserve their freedom. The idea that Trump sits in the Oval Office

today after we have launched the war and sits there and says, yeah, maybe someone worse

will come in or maybe somebody good. I don't know who could say. People die as not reassuring.

All of this is not reassuring. Normal people should be skeptical that this administration is the

right administration to be launching this. It should be hostile. Skepical I think would be the

minimum. Yeah, I want to add one. Yeah, I want to do one yes and to that because I saw

some other folks. It wasn't even really about the Neocun thing. It was the sense that I don't

understand how people who are critical of Trump and even Biden for not providing more military

support to Ukraine could now be upset about this. I can feel that one actually. Ukraine was invaded

by Russia and they're a Democratic ally in Europe and they have an existing government

that we know as an allied government. It isn't perfect but is generally a democracy and in our

community of nations and we know the leader and we can deal with them and it's not great

when another quasi power invades them and it would be good to send a deterrent effect to other

quasi superpowers that want to invade allied countries of ours. That is one scenario. This is

another scenario where we have like a desiccated regime that had that was like basically spiraling

like the Iranian regime at least in its power projection that I did some terrorist actions.

Of course, it's not good. We don't support those. We want to protect obviously our interests

in the Middle East but certainly any of their allies interests but like they weren't planning

on invading Jordan. They weren't planning on invading Israel any day. It's not the same. It's not

the same. We did it. We chose to go in there. I think to Sarah's point about the lack of clarity

about why. It's truly mind-boggling. If you were not a news watcher, I was saying

out some of my non-news watching friends over the weekend and somebody came up to me and said,

what's been happening? I haven't read the news in weeks. If you're like that guy that was at

the horse races this weekend and hasn't read the news in weeks and is just mowing his lawn,

parenting his children, going to work, checking in, checking out. You have no idea. What? Like we're

bombing Iran. Why? This was the opposite of what Trump ran on. The whole thing is just totally

preposterous in every way and I think that all of the caveats about the heinousness of Iran

and whatever, other geopolitical, strategic, could be well taken hypothetically if it wasn't

these clown fox running this thing and there's just no reason to give them, forget giving the

benefit of the doubt, just give them a single inch of credibility which will get into some of what

they've been saying. There's no reason to take any of it seriously. There are a bunch of threads

I want to pull in here. One of which is the reaction within MAGA where you have, on the whole

will summer, wrote a great piece for us on false flag that there, you can see who the real apparatus

are by looking at how people are switching on this, right? People are like, oh no, no, no, no,

when we said no more foreign wars, we meant no more foreign wars led by people other than Donald

Trump. Donald Trump can wait. Those are just proffta. There's also the interesting question about

popularity for this war. You guys did a great full work take last night, which didn't even talk to

me about. Nobody invited me. I love it when I wake up and I see videos of my two best friends

farting without me. Super cool. We used to do it instead. There's something for their

customers. You know, it's you and I have a whole podcast about that. I know, and it bothers him.

It's not.

So there's that stuff. And there is then the Israel stuff. And the Israel stuff is the smallest

component of this. I would like to start by offering a video for you. Let me just set this up

in context. One of the things we have heard from administration sources over the last few days

is that one of the one of the rationales for the attack was that Israel was going to attack

Iran. And then Iran was going to hit US bases and retaliation. And so we had to join in the attack

with Israel from the jump, which suggested maybe that the president was being led into the war

by Israel. He was asked that question today.

No, I might have forced their hands. You see, we were having negotiations with these

lunatics. And it was my opinion that they would not need to play the rest of it. This is

the most Trumpian response. And honestly, if I had told you guys, Trump is going to be

asked this question. You both would have said, Oh, here's how he'll respond to it, right? It's

the perfect. This obvious thing has happened. And his response is, no, it didn't happen. Actually,

did the complete opposite of what happened. That's how strong I am. But then the thing that you

cut off there is what he's saying is, Oh, we had these great negotiators. We didn't actually

spent sending me the can speak their language, by the way. We just sent Jared and Israel state

buddies Steve Wyckoff with these great negotiators. And we came away convinced they were going to attack

us. It's like, what? No, so nobody's told us that. So now we're in day four. Yeah, we're in day

four of the war. And the president for the first time is answering questions about it in the

Oval Office. And he offers a holy new theory, which is that our negotiators heard that Iran was

about to attack us. Really? Yeah, where? I mean, certainly not on the homeland. Like these

they have missiles that can reach us because a lot of missiles that can reach us. I just know

they're two weeks away from getting new information, brand new information away from ICBMs.

And so you're trying to tell me that four days into a war you started, you want to share with

the American people that we are an imminent risk of an attack from Iran. That was what you guys

had felt. I think Donald Trump said I we felt that way. And and that is the reason now because

we want to backtrack away from the the Secretary of State and the Speaker of the House say what you

want about them, but they should have been the hip a little less than the president, you know,

saying that no, actually the the imminent threat was that if Israel attacked Iran, we had the

sense that Iran would would then retaliate. And that could include us. And so we had to preemptively

attack to get ahead of Israel's attack on Iran. And it's it's it's it's nonsensical. And then for

Trump to say, obviously, we knew Trump was going to say this, but just it's important just to like

just paint a picture of how ridiculous this is. The idea that Trump, who him and his vice president

and his whole administration, like ran for reelection on the premise that they were not going to get

into war. He had an entire for her, you're sending your sons to die in foreign wars. He had an

entire first term where he could have gone to war with Iran. If you wanted to, if this has been a

47 year thing, I kid four years in that 47 year window where he could have done something about it

didn't do it then ran on not doing it. Said he had no interest in doing it. And then you have

Israel run by BB who for like 35 years has been saying we should take out the Iranian regime.

And so Trump is now trying to tell us that it was him, the person who said he didn't want to do this

his whole life that was the one pushing BB who has been wanting to do this for 35 years

and to doing it. I mean, JBL, this would be like you trying to convince people that it was that

or me trying to convince people that it was you that really talked me into getting hammered one

night at the bar. You know, it was my detailed friends that doesn't drink. And it was really JBL's

faults. You know, it wasn't me. I've been itching for a shot ever since ever, you know, since the

podcast ended. But at JBL, JBL really wanted us to do it. So we had to get hammered together.

It's a silly. So does this do Sarah does this do anything for Trump in terms of his internal

coalition management? Because one of the problems he has is one of the one of the concerns I have

seen expressed by some corners of the right. The ones who are a little more independent is

holy crap. We're fighting Israel's war for them. Trump was led around by the Zionists and,

you know, and now like does it help for him to say, no, no, actually, I'm the one who stampede

them into it. They're just helping me with my war. I'm not sure if it actually helps. I do

think that's what he's trying to do, right? They recognize that one of the big vulnerabilities

in the mega coalition in terms of the the friendly fire they are getting from sort of the JD

Vance wing of the party are ship poster and chief is almost nowhere to be found, by the way.

I just I think that that's they think that if Trump says it, like Trump thinks I can bring

people on side. They'll get on side if they know this is coming for me and not Netanyahu. And

also Trump doesn't like like he doesn't care probably that the criticism is that this is a bad

warning. That's what he can't stomach is the idea that he's not in charge that he's not the

big bad one drop in the bombs and that we're being led around by Israel. That's an excellent point.

Um, so talk to me a little bit about the popularity stuff. So you guys got looked at some snap

polling yesterday. It was not good. Can you just give like the the 15 second version of that?

And then I have some questions for you about casualties. Did you want to do it or you want me to?

Yeah. Sure. I mean, the 15 second version is like the Democrats are united in opposition to

this. So for starters, and you look at us, Paul, like seven percent of Democrats are for this.

And it's these underwater big time with independence, you know, independence, you're looking at 19 to

25% supporting it. And all of these polls, there's a bunch of people who are kind of in wait and

see mode. And then even among Republicans, it's not horrible right now. He's like in the 70s. He's

usually in the 80s or 90s on supports or issues. So he's in the 70s of support for for this attack

of Republicans, but bad for him, right? And so overall, you're looking at, you know, it's like 3950,

3952. So it's bad. It's underwater. It's not, uh, you know, horrific, but there are a lot of

like real red flags for him, which is like when you ask a lot of the underlying questions,

you know, do you want them to keep going? You know, only 20% of people all the sudden are for that.

Right. Um, you know, I don't have some of the numbers in front of me, but like the gist is the

Republican numbers are pretty soft. And I think that you have a little bit of a rally around Trump

effect among Trump's own voters. Psychay, trust in Trump, you know, our cult leader, Daddy Trump,

not he, nothing he does is bad. But, but you know, there is skepticism when there is concern and

the underlying question. And I think it, you know, if things get a lot worse, uh, I think that,

you know, there's some pretty clear signs in the polling that his numbers could drop precipitously.

Yeah. And this is something you, oh, one thing I said, because I only teed you up in a different

direction. Something Bill said to you in your show, yes, right, Tim, which I listened to,

so I tried to listen to all of your shows. I appreciate that. Um, was that this is, so Bill

made a very good point that he could float Trump could float down a few more points on

Epstein or on immigration or on the economy. The place where he could actually have a bottom fall

out as war, right? That, that's a place where he could go from 75% approved to like 45 or 50%

approved, which would be with Republicans with Republicans. Sorry, that's what I meant with

Republicans. And so that's a place where he risks losing the base for real. And so my question

for you, Sarah, is our casualties important for that? Like what, what determines whether or not

that happens? Is it six people died versus 25 people died versus a hundred people died or is it

the price of gas goes up or is it inflation sort of ticks up at the next, the next, uh,

bureau labor systems report? It could be those things. I think the biggest thing though is time.

Like if in three weeks, we're still there because I just want to go back to the polling for one

second, because I think one of the most interesting things is where public support was on bombing

Iran before we did it, right? The idea of going into Iran at all was around 21%. I believe,

of people just as a general matter are like, yes, anytime we get the opportunity, let's go bomb

Iran. It's about 21%. It jumps to about 40, 41%. So by about 20 points when Trump actually does it.

So those are your high watermark people. Those are the people who like it, just because Trump did it.

And I think what's notable, what's notable about that is that there's no bigger rally around

the flag effect, either rally round Trump or rally round the flag, which normally happens,

right? Normally when something like this happens, there is a bump just on the sheer like,

let's support whatever it is we're doing. We're in a high, like we're in a serious situation. Let's

all be supportive. That's not coming for Trump. All you got is if this is his high watermark,

uh, then that means that only 41% are like, okay, and this is people who think it's going to be a

smashing grab job, like the first bombing in Iran, like going in and getting Maduro where they don't

have to see the aftermath, right? And so the question, like for me, yes, if gas prices go up,

which I think is a, by the way, like an extraordinarily high possibility that this causes gas,

that oil despite, um, it causes the market to drop. That's right. Yeah, it's already happening.

But like that part is really for me. It's like, how long it goes on? And if this is the kind of

thing where you want to start talking about the bush line or the w line or whatever we're calling it,

that starts to happen as wars go on. And people don't feel like Trump is just getting it and getting

out. Uh, they feel like, oh no, we're stuck there. And so it's not even just about American casualties.

It's every American base that gets bombed right now and people die. It's Americans getting stuck

there. Like if you're in DC, one of the things you're hearing constantly is all the people who

kick it out right now, who are in the hotels. And this goes to my earlier point about all of the

things that clearly weren't planned for. There was no evacuation of the Americans that were in

these places that were. Oh, we couldn't because there was an imminent threat to the American. Yeah,

I mean, it was any gap. It's time to bomb Sarah. I mean, if you just think about Benghazi and what

happened there and the wet, what the, how they sort of dragged Hillary Clinton in and over and over,

put the killing of, I'm sorry that I forgot his name. I believe it was Chris, but the head of that

embassy, um, that, that that was like a real failure of security. Like imagine all the thousands,

the many, many thousands of Americans who are currently stranded in the Middle East,

who are under active bombing right now because nobody in their home country did anything to warn

them that this was happening. Yeah, there's a couple of thoughts on that. I, Chris,

for seasons, it took me a second for it to come up with too. Who's got to die to Benghazi, but

I agree with Sarah that the time matters and like the actual impact back home where it could be any

of those things that you that you laid out, JBL. I do wonder how things are looked at differently now

just because of the general war, weariness and hostility to war in the public. Here's something,

so this morning our colleague, my current laying has a new book out on his journals from his time in the

first Gulf War and, you know, I was, we were all kids and I was like, I remember that, you know,

being a very, a pretty quick operation, you know, that we were relatively fast in and out was

successful without a lot of casualties. So then I searched this morning, I was like, how many people

died in the first? How many American soldiers died? Do you know, do you have any guests?

I don't. I want to say it was three digits. Yeah, it was like 200, you know, a little under 200,

right? And like, that's a lot, right? And so in, you know, and it made me kind of think about that

differently. Like in red, like at the time, I just think that there was obviously you're coming up

with Vietnam, there's still some more weariness there, but with the Middle East, there was like less

of this, like feeling among the public, like wearing this quagmire and like the grand scheme of

things, they're out relatively quickly. And there's still kind of a lot of deaths for a war that didn't

really do anything. I mean, instead of stayed in power, we're protecting the Kuwait border.

Yeah, I mean, anyway, we can do that just again, just to talk about ancient history, you do

have to put that in the context of like ongoing terrorism in the region in recent years, because

you had had co bar towers and you had marine barracks being blown up. And so like we had lost three

digits worth of American service people a couple times in the region just to the terrorism.

So anyway, so you compare that to now. And so I just, I bring that up in the context of when

you're, you're pointing out the casualty count, JBL is like, is that what would do it to Trump?

And it's going to be like, I wonder in this day and age, in this media environment, with this level

of war, weariness, with Trump having issues with his own coalition on this 180 or whatever it was,

like casualties, I think would feel a lot differently now. I think that would feel like a lot to people.

Yeah, and just one other thing. So I said this, we were, we were on back in like January and we

were talking about the potential for something in Iran at that point. And one of the things I said

was I do think mega will tolerate Venezuela slightly differently than it would tolerate us doing

something in Iran. And the reason is it's just in the Middle East. And it reminds the more

directly of our Iraq and Afghanistan, Middle East wars, endless wars. And I think that holds up

pretty well. Like the really part of the reason this is different to Tim's point isn't just like

war, weariness in general, but specifically Middle East wars. Like this is where Americans

have a fresh memory of quagmires. Like they do have an intuitive sense that this stuff can get

away from you pretty quickly. And there's a lot of Americans who remember, and this is again,

why I go back to people who are like, don't those neocons want this or whatever? Like,

we've all learned a little bit since then, right? We've all seen a lot. And I think that part of

that makes us have additional skepticism of what this could bring without feeling like it's really

well thought out necessary, which is the exact opposite of what we're getting. We're also in

my days. Like I was like, really, you think about that way, right? So JD, I was like, the old clip

was going out of JD from Meet the Press where JD's like, American people can feel good about this

action the last time we bond or any nuclear facilities because Trump is like one of those stupid

presidents from the past, right? Like we're going to get in or to get out. It's going to be fast.

And it's funny to see that clip go back yet around now because that was eight months ago.

So we're not real. In the grand scope of things like the Iran project is not really

been a four day project. We're already in month eight. And they're telling us we've got four more

weeks. We'll see how that turns out. Well, I actually feel like Trump has a super power here

that's going to let him escape this being a quagmire. But we'll get to that in a minute.

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slash 50 next level. So here's why I think that Trump has the ability to avoid any real problems.

And it is because unlike anyone who has ever been president in any of our lifetimes,

he has the ability to turn on a dime and walk completely away if and it doesn't matter to him

what gets left behind. And as is exhibit A for this, I would present Venezuela. And you know,

we went down to Venezuela. We abducted the president of Venezuela. We just handed the

baton over to his vice president. She's just as corrupt as he was. Nobody's freer down there.

Nothing's changed except for one thing. And that is if we can have the video of the president

talking about the oil today. And we have Delcy who's been very good. We have the whole

chain of command. And they've been, you know, look to the relationship. It's been great. We've

taken out a hundred million barrels of oil already. And a big part of that goes to them. And a

big part goes to us. And it's been great. We paid for the war many times over. And we're going to

be running the oil. And then as well as going to make more money than they ever made. And that's

great for the people. The relationship has been great. It's been seen. Yeah. So he can just walk

in any time and declare victory and say, see if everything's great. And it doesn't matter. Like

if a ran turns into a failed state because it's ungovernable and terrorism starts spilling over

the borders into Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, which by the way, nobody's really paying attention to

this. But Pakistan and Afghanistan are now shooting at one another. Like this is a real thing that's

happening. We stopped that. I'm sorry. No, that's incorrect. Oh, sorry. Um, that's on. I mean,

Pakistan is a nuclear power. If a nuclear power like Pakistan were to destabilize kind of bad,

not good. Trump does not in any, there is no corner of his life in which Trump has ever adhered

to you. Break it. You bought it. And he can simply just walk on this thing. Like he could,

but the reason we're doing this live is because he could walk on this war before, you know,

between the end of us taping and the editing being finished and this thing being pushed out onto

YouTube. Maybe I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean, I agree with you that Trump doesn't care.

Right. That that part, I really agree with this idea that the Trump will do sort of

whatever makes the most sense for him. And maybe Netanyahu, the problem is, and this is

something General Hurtling said the first time we went live when the day that this started happening,

which he says in a war like this, your enemy gets a vote. And that is like Trump's going to have

a lot harder time walking away from this. Like what he did in Venezuela was switch out one dictator

that was unfriendly to Trump for a dictator who was friendly to Trump. And now apparently we're

taking their oil, we're, you know, whatever. That's a different regional issue. Like I just

the extent to which this can go off the rails and get to a point where now America is under threat.

Now like there is a real, you know, there is a real shooting war going on between different

countries. Like it's harder to just be like and we're out now, especially because Israel won't

want us out. Saudi Arabia won't let us out. And so this is just more complicated, I think for him.

It's a sticky wicked. It's more complicated than Venezuela. I take your point, JVL,

that just like in the past, you know, George W. Bush, when things started to get hinky in 2003,

wasn't just going to be like, Hey, I'm flying back to America. Good luck out there. Al Qaeda is

all that. Yeah, you guys figured he was never going to do that, right? Like for a whole variety of

reasons. And I mean, that is like legitimate advantage the Trump has that he has a more freedom

to maneuver than people that are constrained by ideological concerns or constrained by humanitarian

concerns or it's to constraint anything else, right? And I agree with that. And he has more

ability to maneuver. And I, the, the, the, where I would quibble with you is that I think this is

already bad for him. Like if, if, if what you just laid out happens and we finished taping

and one hour later, Trump says, you know what? We're going to, we're going to bring home some of

our ships. Good luck to Israel. Good luck to the people of Iran. You know, we're not going to

go into the region anymore. And he comes back. Big win, Ayatollah, you know, hosting Yola.

Got him tied like a dog. Yeah, the whole of Ayatollah. We've replaced him with new Ayatollah.

This guy seems great. He's more moderate. Not my cup of tea exactly. Like that he is eight wives.

You know, like no, like he's not, he could do that, right? I think he's still opened up a real

fissure on his own side going into the election. I think the fact that anybody died that we wasted

any money over there has created a real fissure on his own side. It's a talking point now

that the left and Democrats can use against MAGA forever, no matter what happens from here

into the future. Even if Iran turns out great, I think it's still a negative talking point for

that. Like even if he stays around for a couple of weeks and you know, who the hell knows? Whatever

the dream scenario is for Iran, where it rejoins the community of nations and it's a G20 country

anymore. And they start doing trade, you know, I don't know. And we kill all of the Iranian

national guard people and you know, whatever, uh, Turan blossoms. Like even in that case,

like he's still now the king, the person that was embroiled over there, lost American lives,

lost our treasure, got his eye off the ball of caring about America's economy. And you know,

so that wouldn't be a disaster for him. He still would survive it and who the hell knows what

shenanigans he has in mind for the midterms or for the end of his term, right? So, you know,

we were joking the slack before this about what to title this live stream. And Sarah was like,

it's curtains for Trump. And it's like, that's not, it's not curtains for Trump because of Iran.

But like this hurt, I don't, in all of the various potential outcomes, even the best case one,

I think creates some political issues for that. Maybe minor ones, maybe modest ones that don't

end up mattering that much in the long term. But I think it's a real, like he's, he's in a bad place

with it. Did anybody, did you not get my joke about Trump talking about the dead Americans

that immediately asking people to look at the curtains? That's what I was talking about. It's

curtains for Trump. Wow. I didn't, that's nice. That's really good. We should have done this.

The picture of curtains. We can we still do that? Can we change? Can we change this live?

Wasn't self-evident enough for you guys to get. I still like it though.

So the, the, I do need JD Vance is put in a very tough spot here as evidence by the fact that our

ship poster, America's, Mark Spreeman ship poster has gone dark. And he's on the water's last

time. He has tried to make it clear that he was against it. But then when he was for it, it was

to go very big and very fast. And he's trying to square the circle of I'm with, I'm with Tucker

on all that stuff. But, but also on the channel Trump and our beautiful relationship with Israel.

Did you guys read the New York Times TikTok of everything that happened? Because it's a really,

it's a really good piece. But one of the telling things is the fact that Tucker, they consulted

Tucker. He came to the White House three times. Sure. And so like Tucker was basically making the

anti case. And I just was like, this is how we're doing war. This is how we're doing war now.

Did you expect anything less? No, I mean, whatever. But just a Tim's point about like it's a problem

for him. Again, going back to things that like really split the coalition. Just hold on. It is

funny that Tucker is who they brought in and not their director of national intelligence, Tulsi

Gabbard. Right. I don't know what she's up to. He's just living the spirit of a low

hog. Do you think she goes into the office, Stephen? I can't believe she hasn't resigned. I mean,

this is how you know these are not people of principle. If Tulsi Gabbard had the courage of her

convictions, she'd be long gone, even before this, but certainly now. But instead she just,

yet disappears. I'm sorry. I interrupted you. Tucker, Tucker coming in and he's the one being

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Do you come up with this, Sarah? No, but I'm just going to make one quick different point.

Which is that the other thing in that New York Times article that was pretty interesting was

that clearly there had been weeks of going back and forth. Which also kind of undermines this

idea that it was such an imminent threat that they couldn't go to Congress. Which I will say,

this is just a point of analysis that there's not really much to do with. But you know,

there's a lot of talk about the War Powers Act and people having a vote on this.

This is when we're like, it sort of doesn't matter. Because number one, I don't think they

did get enough people to approve it. And number two, Trump can just veto it. And number three,

it's already happened. He's already gone to it. It's done. What would they even do other than

almost symbolically force them to consult them? So I think that for people who are sort of

frustrated by the War Powers of it all, there's not much there that can be done.

At this point, it is a public opinion play at this point. I was going to say something about

Megan Kelly. Now I remember what it was. But go ahead, Tim. Make a little Megan Kelly note.

If it makes you feel any better, Sarah, when JBL asked us for our initial thoughts at the beginning

of the podcast, I had something I was really excited about. It was a good little riff.

And I was, and then you started talking and I started talking and then I lost it. And it's

been bugging me the whole podcast. I was like, what was I going to say? You still not know?

I still don't know. It wasn't going to be magical. This content was going to be so good.

But whatever, it'll just be, we'll keep it. If I come up with it after the podcast is over,

we'll share it just for Bullard Plus members. So subscribe today. I was going to say the vote

matters for this reason. I interviewed Ruben Geiger today. They'll be out here in Kabar. So I

thought he was really good. And the, it's important for, I think, the Democrats to demonstrate

the scale of their opposition to this as a political matter. And I think that it is that

ties to a limiting principle. I know there's a legal limiting principle. Will he actually follow

the 90 day limit? If this war goes past 90 days, he's got a whole shitload of other problems to

deal with. And then if he wants to break the law too, like I agree with you, like there's some

limits on how they can control a lawless administration for sure. But, um, you know, there's a,

we're talking at the top about like how there hasn't been this rally around Trump effect. There

was an email from political scientist that listens to us and follows us. They're like, if you look

historically, like rally around the flag effects happen, like when you're attacked on your homeland

or where there's some reason that you're rallying around a person, or when the, the out party

and like leaders from the out party are aligned, right? Like when they're signaling from the leaders.

And I think that the fact that there's been like what, I think five Democrats kind of softly

talking about how maybe they'd support the War Powers Act. And I think the fact that the overwhelming

majority of Democratic electeds are signaling no to this does put some kind of restraints on his

abilities, I think. Maybe I'm skeptical that a push game to shove. I do think you'd see a handful

of Democratic defections on this. I'm sure you would too. Um, which would be crazy. Don't do it.

More than a handful. I think so too. That's why that's why I like, I bet that's why

I think it's good for us to know. I think it's good for us to know, you know, it's good for us to

know because it's important to know what time it is. Sometimes you don't want to know. Uh,

Sarah, give me your Megan Kelly thing and then we got to move on.

Well, I was, I mean, this was going back to the splitting the coalition conversation,

which is like it is worth right now following the intra mega discourse, um, because

there was a, a funny thing from our friend Scott Jennings, uh, who posted, um, like, and this

just goes back to like people trying to get really good information out of what's happening.

It is really difficult, uh, right now and lots of people are like posting garbage and, um,

we're not getting clean accounts of a whole bunch of things. Um, but Scott Jennings posted something

where like someone from the administration had called him and said, uh, I can't

remember what the thing was. Mass casualty event. There's going to be a mass casualty event,

right? That's, so this is where you get to the conflicting stories, but like they're sending

people out to our their administration mouthpieces to put things in the ether and Scott posted this

with sirens. And it was like, then it was totally undercut. It was totally turned out to be true.

CNN's own reporting. Yeah. By CNN's own reporting, it turned out to be a false putting Scott

on the air to, uh, help inform their viewers and give them a better picture of the world.

That really is broken. Yeah. That really is a shameless problem. But, but, but Megan Kelly was

criticizing Scott Jennings on this point by saying she's like, look, I talked to people in the

administration too, but I'm not just going to like, stumbly repeat everything they said, but like

there are big mouthpieces right now, uh, who often rush to the side of the administration,

who are not because the podcast listening base of mega that supports it. These are the people

who are anti-war. Um, they're also the people who are pro getting the Epstein files out. And so,

you are starting to, I think, erode some of that base with things like this. And it was core,

it just, it is worth doing a little history lesson because some people, you know, really

came into the Trump era and started paying attention to news like when he beat Hillary during

the debate season and the general election because they're like, really Trump is going to be

the fucking president. And so, like, for, so not everybody might remember the dog days of the

primary, like I do. So I'm going to trigger myself right now. Like Trump's core offering

to Republican primary voters was one, these guys are a bunch of cucks and buses that don't have

the balls to beat up criminals and deport illegals, right? Like, so there was this kind of

authoritarian machismo authoritarian stuff on immigration and crime. But the other thing was

he's like, they're also so stupid. And they all sent you to these stupid wars. And I wouldn't do

it. And every, and he was on, and he was in South Carolina. I was there on stage where he was like,

it was Bush's fault that 9-11 happened. And you know, there was chatter in that room.

It was like, yeah, as like as late as the South Carolina primary, there's chatter in the, in the

spin room afterwards. Like, I'm going to Trump really hurt himself today. Like, the Republican

base might have turned on the rock war, but they're not ready to go all the way to like,

it's Bush's faults. Bush lied us into it. And that Bush, yeah, and that 9-11 was

happened on Bush Watt. He was asleep at the switch. And maybe even there's some questions

about what happened there 9-11 world conspiracy theories. Maybe it was an inside shot, right? Like

Trump did, and everyone else on the stage condemned him. And like 20.

Yeah. And he went in South Carolina in a landslide after Nikki Haley endorses Marco and all that,

etc. So like the, and the being opposed, like, if you've been doing focus groups back then,

I do think the light bulb that would have gone off for you listening to Republican voters is like,

oh man, they like, I knew they're against the war or tired of the war, but they're like mad

at the establishment in a way that I don't know that a lot of us were working on the campaigns

fully realized. And that was our bad. Like, we were, we were in our own bubble and we were wrong.

And Trump was correct, whether it was instinctually or strategic, whatever.

I key tapped into something. And so this is like a, a real betrayal for some of those people.

Like, this was the thing. And it would literally even like be like him doing a mistake.

Like, there are only two things that like he offered them that were distinct. Like, I will deport

the illegals and I'm not going to do the dumb Middle East Wars. I don't want to re-trigger you

again. And remember to all I'm going to say, get put out of video.

I know you can get this out. We're going to get to fucking

down in a second. Or do you get this is why this is going to be my hot take of the beginning.

We're back around to it. 45 minutes in. Love it for this reason. This is why I still,

I really don't understand why Trump's doing it. And I like, there is like a deep,

every time I say this, I have a lot of people replying to me and emailing to me like,

Tim, it's obviously that he's like, BB has compromised on him on the Epstein files. And I'm like,

I think with Trump's base, if they found out that he was raping 13-year-old

serially, I think that they would be more likely to forgive him for that than getting into a

Middle East war. Like, Meyer, I don't think it's compromised. I don't think it's a distraction

on the Epstein files. It's truly insane. It is like Amnesty. It is like Trump waking up one day

and being like, we're going to do a big Amnesty. You know, I've heard the complaints.

I just, and that is like the thing that is really flumming for me about all of this.

He's going to risk this to keep his buddy BB and MBS happy. I guess I just think it's really

befuddling and stupid. Maybe he's just like a 12. He's 12 and he likes the fireworks and he wants

shoes getting bored. I don't know. I mean, doesn't, doesn't recent, recently bias suggest

from his perspective that he can do anything he wants and it winds up okay? Sure. But why does he

want to do this? He could also do anything. Like, literally invading Greenland makes way more

sense to me than this. Like, if I had woken up on Saturday morning, he'd said, Trump really did it.

Like, we got Marines on the ground in Nuke and we've taken out somebody in the embassy.

Right. Like, I would have been like, that's crazy as fuck. By the way, that's crazy. How

do we live in this world? Like, I get it. That is in line with Trump's.

Well, he'd at least been talking about that. He's gone through a whole series of making the

case about why we do it, telling us there are literal strategic objectives. Like, this is why

we're suddenly like, how can you guys not be on board? We're like, he has said nothing.

Like, we haven't, he said the opposite of this the whole time. So we're sorry if we're skeptical

about why he's doing this or like, not sure about the motives or the plan or anything else.

This is not the same as when your American government says, hey, this thing happened. Like,

we're good and we're taking these actions for reasons. Like, that's not what happened. He's

retconning at a reason after we did the bombs. And they're all different reasons.

All right. We had an entire section on, um,

inthropic and the department of defense. I'm just going to cut that. We got to move on.

The people, you know, the people want to hear you just bash me over the head with the

Jeb tweet. Don't they? You're not going to deal with that to them. I mean, I wasn't going to

say no masochism for the audience, if you like. Jeb, uh, Jeb put out a video praising the brave

historic, uh, operation, whatever this one is, Warhammer 2000, uh, and he turned all freedom.

69. So I'm glad that the Jeb Bush finally decided to come out of his hole when something happened

where he felt like he could praise Trump. Wouldn't want to say anything that might be taken as

criticism. But anyway, that's all. Keep it coming. I didn't see Jeb Bush's tweet. Yeah. I mean,

you know, he's one of the videos. Sarah. It's a video. He's wanted to overthrow the Iranian regime

for a long time. So at least if we took out the eye at all, I would have, he would have had a

case made, you know, the long, long, long track record of, uh, maybe Jeb can wait till it turns out

okay before really, like, you know, this is if Iran turns into Libya, that's not better. Yeah.

Right. It's different. It's not better. Filing a disagreement with my former boss on this one.

Okay. Uh, we were going to talk about anthropic. We're not going to talk about anthropic. We're

going to talk very great. They're better than you. But they're not great, actually. But if you have

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We are going to talk about the Texas primary tonight live again. Three of us together again.

It's amazing. Um, so we're going to put that to the side right now. I want to talk. So Sarah,

you and I very briefly talked about Grand Platon or in secret show and

you kind of won me over in the moment. But then over the course of the weekend, I saw, I think,

another, like, Nazi thing with Platon and I just thought, I'm sorry. Like, how many times?

I won you over what? I, because I don't, I think Grand Platon is not good. Uh, I think, no,

but you, you made like the voters, but just in terms of what voters want. Right. You made the case

that, uh, voters want him not mills in that he's still preferable to Susan Collins, which I

think I agree on, uh, because who isn't preferable to Susan Collins? Um, and then it's basically okay.

Like, you could replace it. It can be like a feather. It can be a one and done. I, um, Sarah's

going to do an ad. I think I'm going to surprise people, but being the most pro Platon or person

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Well, and during the Q&A, you can't come in and play pinball while we're taping. Here's my case

for Graham Platner. And then we'll hear your bottles. I want to start by saying this. I think that

if I was in Maine personally under my own and had my own vote, and I was just speaking for myself,

and I was an analyst, I think I'd vote for Janet Mills, I'd probably do it holding my nose.

And if it was the governor's race or a mayor's race, so it's just one person that's an executive

they're running for mayor of my town, I would want the 79 year old lady that has demonstrated

herself to be a career public servant to like make sure the trash pickup is on top. That's not

what this is though. It's a national election for the US Senate. And it is absolutely critical

that the Democrats figure out how in the fuck to win working class white people if they ever want

to have any power or control again. It's critical they figure it out. Is Graham Platner the

magic potion to that? We don't know, but it's worth a try. We know that Janet Mills is not. And I

wish this was happening. I said this a million times in Florida or Nebraska. I wish we were trying

this out in a race that wasn't as important as the main race, but wish we can't get our wishes

in this world. Obviously, we all know that. And so we're in Maine. And my view on this, just one more

thing. And I'll hear your bottle as like. Yeah. The tattoo seemed really dumb. Okay. Also, some of

his Reddit posts are pretty mean, but I think if you went through my whole social media archive,

you'd see some ships that like I had some pretty bad texts when I was 23. I have some bad texts now

from time to time. The going on the latest one like he went on a podcast with somebody that

advanced a Charlie Kirk conspiracy. I'm kind of like, wait a minute. I thought we wanted the

candidates to go on podcasts like this now. We're going to be mad about him going on this podcast

because the guy had a crazy theory one. It'd be one thing if you went on the podcast. And Graham

was like, Hey, love your show, what she did say. I particularly love your Charlie Kirk taste. Or

if the guy was like, Hey, Graham, what do you think about my idea that most sawed really killed

Charlie Kirk? And Graham was like, I'm interested in that. We don't know. We need to hear more

investigation. That's not what happened. They didn't talk about sweet soup eaters. They talk

everything he said on the podcast was normal. He quoted stupiders. Then he deleted it. Isn't

that what we want people to do? And we, is he, you know what I mean? Like, I prefer them to not

court. So I just, I don't think I think that the word Nazi gets thrown around with him because

he had the stupid tattoo and he also happened to do interviews with other guys that are Nazi-ish.

Does anybody that's making that accusation actually think Graham planter is a Nazi? I don't think

he's a Nazi. I think he's too far left for my taste. I don't think he's a right wing.

Nazi anti-Semite. If he turns out like it turns out that we learn more where he's advanced

anti-Semitic views, we could reassess. But for now, it seems like the people want change.

They want an outsider. They he can speak to working class people that were Obama Trump voters,

that were Bernie voters. And the Democrats need to figure out how to do that. And as far as I'm

concerned, all of the complaints about him have been kind of ticky-tack. And I'm, I'm open to

seeing more information as the primary goes on. But as of right now, for a Senate race, not a

governor's race, I think planter. There you go. That's my case.

Yeah. And so I was, I said something not quite as emphatic as you, but I think your conversation

that JBL and I are having. So first of all, I was referencing the focus groups that I have done in

Maine are so pro-plotter, you wouldn't believe. And part of the reason is that, look, if you are

Chuck Schumer, and you don't want platinum, like the problem with Janet Mills is that it seems like

nobody learned a lesson about 80-year-olds, which is that, you know, I like, like, you can't do it

right now. There's like nothing more triggering to voters at the moment than, oh my god, you're

going to put an 82-year-old in office. Like, you can't do that. So they're like, I'll take the

young guy who's doing direct camera. And a lot of the voters in the focus groups, they like Janet

Mills. Like, they feel warmly toward her. They just think it's insane to put up an 80-year-old

woman. And so I agree with that. That's the part where I'm like, that was the wrong choice if you

wanted to sort of close out the primary. Second of all, to just the appetite for something new.

And I also think people don't believe he's a Nazi. Like, they might, they know that there's some

controversy. But like, nobody thinks there's like, they think Dick Fuentes is a Nazi. They think,

you know, like, like, they think Graham Platner might have been an idiot when he was younger,

which Graham Platner talks about, right? And he sort of addresses these things.

I will say for my own, for me, that if I were voting in Maine in that primary, I would probably

have to vote for Janet Mills, partly just because I'm me and like, I can't, like.

You're a small-seat conservative. It's not even a conservative. It's just like,

why take the risk? Like, the case for Mills is kind of like, we know she's been a fine governor,

right? Like, it's a small-seat Edmund Burke conservative inside of you.

Yeah, it's the part of me that's like, and it's like, this is a really important seat. And it

seems like, and I'm glad all this stuff's coming out in the primary because if nothing else,

at least the voters in Maine will choose eyes wide open. What he is, I do think sort of,

there's a tendency, though, for people to be like, he might be another federman. And that's the,

like, you can't rely on him. And I think this is a weird thing. They're doing this to Tal Riko,

too, where they're like, he'll be another federman, which I don't think any of these,

I think federman's a very specific case, but if what you mean is...

That's a stroke. Yeah.

He got a lot of them, or like, he lost some mental capacity, and then all of a sudden,

was over-negative arguments were making a lot more sense to him.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what has... I mean, we all know he had a stroke.

I can't speak for everything that's happened to federman, but I don't think that everybody needs

to be like suddenly, everyone who has... And now I'm not talking about any of that stuff.

Now I'm just talking policy-wise, that somebody who is talking specifically, talking specifically

to the working class, and who has heterodox views about things, that they're automatically

going to be another federman. I actually think Platner Sands, a lot of the other stuff,

is a pretty good model for a candidate. Like, I do think people should be experimenting with that.

I would just struggle a little bit from struggle a little bit. I, at some point, Tim,

there's the tattoo, and then there's like, you retweet stupiders, because stupiders shows up

in your algorithm, and like, you're looking at a lot of people like... Like, it just feels...

It's starting to feel a little weird, and so I would just... I would approach this with caution.

Look, it's my take right now. Same.

Same. All right, I'm not doing this. Two things that we'll move on. I just would say that

I have been saying from the very beginning, what if the answer to recapturing these voters...

He said, you mean... It's not too suck. Yeah.

Yeah. What if the answer is, well, we got to find some dumb people who believe crazy shit

and have unsavory associations, and if we can just have them wear the blue t-shirt,

that's how we get out of this fix. I personally would be more comfortable if we could just get out

of it with like neoliberalism and competent technocrats. I realize these are my own preferences,

but this is... I'm laughing about it, but this is the problem of creating a popular front.

Is that you wind up having a whole hands with a bunch of people who...

There are only two parties in the country. I sort of say this. Like, you need 70 million people

to win in these days to win election, and so there aren't 70 million technocrats.

College of tech and technocrats in the country, unfortunately. So you need some other people,

and I guess my thing on Platner is, I also... And I actually don't think that I will get this

treatment in return from our friends like Sam Sater and some of the lefty guys on YouTube. I

wish they would. We'll see. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't want to impune on them, but like...

At some point, I will be asking of people like, hey, on the left, like in a Southern state,

you might need a pro-life pro-cop... I want to cut regulation Democrat, who's a young guy like

Platner, and also said some weird things online, and also has lefty. You know what I mean? Maybe

you agree with them on anti-war stuff, and he's a Democrat. You know, like... You got to try a different

shit, and Platner's not going to be my cup of tea exactly, but at least he's true in something.

He's resonating. He's doing something. Yeah. We are also going to try taking some questions

here live on the air. Let's do it. You're doing it. Who wants to go first? I've chosen some JVL

and Sarah and Tim questions. Who wants the first... You're driving, man. Yeah, give it to JVL. He's

talked less than I see. Okay, JVL. On my JVL question list, I have... Do you think this war...

This is from Christine. Hey, Christine, do you think war will provide cover for the Chinese to

take Taiwan? Do you think this affects the Chinese calculus at all? No. To the extent... So the

serious answer is China is probably doing some reassessment, looking at how their any aircraft

offences have been defeated. They're probably also happy about seeing how many anti-missile

emissions the United States is expending, and they are also probably realizing they don't need to

take Taiwan. The whole world is realigning to their specifications anyway. Our friend Pat Kanky

over there, also on YouTube. We met him in Minnesota. I had a question for JVL, which is,

he'd love to hear your Catholic thoughts on this through the Just War theory.

No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. We're not going to do Just War theory here on it. We're not

doing just... You can try and have a popular show, which lots of people watch and listen to.

I will... The people want to hear your thoughts on Just War theory. No, believe me. People want to hear

more thoughts about vampire economics than they want to hear Catholic Just War theory. You refuse,

you're refusing. Refuse. Okay. Well, then we'll go... Not an ask me anything. Are you?

We'll go to a Tim question, then, which is more fun. Omar Rejecto asks, what's the worst

call? Trump invades Iran or Niko trades Luca? Boy, Niko got protested at his own office. You know,

you've done something bad in sports for your general manager, and you make a decision, and you're

in sports. Usually you've... I really like you. I give a cool job. You run the sports team,

and then you drive, and you park in your nice spot right by the stadium, and you go out, and people

have signs that are like, death to Niko. You know you did a really bad job. Trump, I don't think

that's happened for Trump yet. So I think Niko worsened Trump so far, but if Iran gets worse,

it could be... Trump could pass Niko for worst management. Sarah, I've got for you Alex Kubasek.

Does average Joe American really care about foreign policy when they don't even know where Iran is

on a map? This is a great question, because they do not care about the theories of foreign policy,

and they will get bored with lots of foreign policy. I think there's a reason that in America,

after Trump took out Maduro, and we get a new dictator, Americans like totally checked out of that,

and everybody just stops talking about Venezuela. I don't think people are going to proactively

go in search of foreign policy. Once we're in a hot war, and we're dropping bombs, and we're sending

American troops, they care for a while, and they get really upset about it. And then, I mean,

that's why when we talk about the bush line, it is George W. Bush left office with a 32%

approval rating. Why? Because people felt like the war in Iraq was a failure. And so

nothing more... Nothing was driving his... That was like before the market crashed.

So nothing... I would say being in a hot war and having a shitty economy, by the way, which is like,

but like you put those two things together, and that's where things start to really matter to people.

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Oh gosh, nailed it. Okay, this one's for everybody because I don't know how it didn't make it to

our show outlines from Steph P. Why did cash betel fire FBI members of C-12, the unit that is focused

on Iranian intelligence, last week, he did that, not last year in the initial purge, last week.

Yeah, we don't, I don't know the answer. Like the answer is either cash betel is a moron.

Like I'm not sure how we've, like we have a lot of very stupid people in this administration.

It's very ironic that JD Vance goes around and being like, well, you know, that was dumb

presidents before. But now we've got this smart president. You know who can't find a run on a map?

Trump. Donald Trump can't find a run on a map. But I don't know why he did it. Unless now I'm now,

I'm just going to put on secret pod rules. I'm totally speculating. But if there were people

who were pushing back, like as they were doing the negotiations, as they were talking about

these interventions and they knew they had people internally who were opposed to this for reasons

that they had intelligence or whatever. And they got rid of them. That's what they've done over

at DOJ. Like they've just basically gotten rid of anybody who disagrees with what the administration's

policy might be. So that's what's possible. It's crazy. I can tell you. Oh, go. Why didn't you let me answer

if you know? Well, because this is unconfirmed. This is rument. But the word on the Straussah is

that the actual, the trip to Milan for the Olympics, the Olympic stuff was all cover.

He was meeting some intelligence sources there, which suggested that the Iranian counterterrorism

unit within the FBI itself had been penetrated. And so he needed to, the whole thing about like,

oh, look at me. I'm just chugging beers with my buds. That was all covered. That's a sigh. It was

sigh up because what he was really doing was figuring out where the moles were and the moles were

and that's that's why he cleaned them out. Because otherwise, maybe the terrorism would have come

from the Iranian plants within the FBI. All right, last thing. The FBI is still functioning without

Dan Bange, you know, me neither. Last thing we had a, well, Doug asked about Trump's bleed about

whether we have enough munitions. I talked to Mark Hurtling about that. He's going to be publishing

like two hours, Doug. So take a look for that. Hurtling's better to answer that question than any of us.

Here's my last one for JBL. I think, sir, if you have any thoughts on this, but it is curious,

which is how the corruption ties into all of this. The relationship that Trump and Kushner built

with Saudi Arabia and the UAE, it seems like this war puts a damper on that. And if you're going to be

building hotels and casinos and racetracks in the Middle East, do you want drones landing everywhere?

Can you make sense at all about the corrupt business dealings that Trump has in the Middle

East and how that's impacting the decision making right now? Do you want to go first, Sarah?

I don't know the answer to this. Okay. It is in retrospect totally unsurprising that the

area of the world in which Trump feels the most comfortable operating is the Middle East.

And that's because his own view of leadership, state sovereignty, and power mirrors precisely

how things are in the Middle East where they're run by ruling families. They're dynastic.

There is no popular sovereignty. And the will of the monarch is indistinguishable from the interests

of the state. That is precisely how he sees the presidency and how he views his own relationship

with America. And so he's able to be completely transactional with them. And it is not, you know,

and they understand the same thing. They look at him and they see a guy who they're like, yes,

I can do business with this guy. We'll give him a plane. We'll push a few hundred million dollars

in through his crypto. Like this is, you know, then, and then MBS is able to say, hey, it ran

scares the shit out of us. And it's right there. It's right over there. Could you please do

something about this? Baby, I'll hold hands with you. And this is a big part. It's just gangsterism,

right? This is, you know, it's pure gangsterism. And it's all about his own interests.

The weakness is that if you did get somebody in like the IRGC who came out of this and was clever

enough to say, all right, I'm going to find some way to put some money in this guy's pocket,

which what Delce Rodriguez did. They could get to a, they could get to a pretty okay place.

They let him declare victory. They say, oh, yes, the great American father did, you know,

really he showed us. He showed us. And here's nine, nine million barrels of oil. And please go on

your way, Mr. Trump, right? And then, you know, 10 years from now, we, they have the watches we

have the time. Tierra, that was from her. Thank you for that question. That's it. That's the show.

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