10AM: Evan Williams and 'Brick

0:00Three time Wisconsin sports writer of the year Jason Wildey. Time now for headlines as we predict what will happen on Sunday as the Packers take on. The Vikings at Lambo Field Packers, Hala, Famer, Mark, Towsher. I'm going to do something crazy. Broadcasting live from the Everlight Solar Studio at ESPN Medicine. I'm going to say kiss and cousins, pack bikes, tie. And celebrating 10 great years on ESPN Wisconsin. He's missed it again. And we'll end this crazy game in a time. Oh my goodness. This is Wildey and Towsher, presented by Hala Windows and Doors of Wisconsin. Ten o'clock out. Of Wildey and Towsher begins now a game day edition which means that it's time for this week's prize picks of the week presented by prize picks.

1:07As they sing in the Disney classic Mulan, let's get down to business. The season starts now. It's to defeat the Huns. It's the Cinderella theme we had from earlier. Nevermind. I did not know that was a song. Let's get down to business. Oh, that's good. Yeah. To beat the Huns. Who wants interacted with me on Twitter because I called it a cartoon and he took offense to that and informed me it was animation. Ah. Sorry, BD. You're the saddest bunch I've ever met and that's what it felt like in our first two weeks on prize picks for the Packers games. I've been good everywhere else. Have not been good on the Packers. I got a good feeling about tonight. And that's because first and foremost, there is a taco on the board for a discounted projection tonight. Oh, that's a taco Thursday. Bejon Robinson. More or less they've reduced it from 70 something down to 54 and a half rushing yards.

2:11For Bejon Robinson. Gotta go more with the taco in play tonight on that one, right? Tows, that's like a gimmick. I would think so. The way they're going to go. Bejon is a heck of a player. I think I am not a fantasy football guy but I'm guessing he was a high pick top one or two in most leagues. The Packers are stingy though. They are not giving up a ton on the ground. It'll be an interesting battle. I think at 75 or whatever it was, I was definitely less. But yeah, man, tacos. You give me a taco, I'm eating it. I'm in. I'm on board with that taco. Packers with the eighth ranked run defense in the league on yards per game and allowing just 2.85 yards per rush against them. But I would think that you don't want Michael Penex spending a lot of time dropping back a lot.

3:12I would think you'd want to give the ball to Bejon. So I would go more as well. All right, now that's anything else in play. Anyone else nervous though because I think it was a Saturday night on Amazon when old boy from Baltimore ran through us like it was easy butter. Maybe that was a Netflix game. That was a peacock last year. What? What? It was a peacock game. It was. A streaming only game at Lambo. That's the only. Free shipping. I'm guessing Bejon. They're going to have to give Bejon a bunch of touches tonight. Let's keep it on the Falcon side for our next one. Michael Penex Jr. more or less than 210.5. Passing and rushing yards combined. He doesn't run much. This projected passing yards only was like 205.

4:12So the rushing is barely anything there. Yeah, less. I don't think he's going to be rush. And I just think this defense is going to eat tonight. So less. I think the defense is going to have a good night too. I was setting the stage for a Sunday story on what they've done under Jonathan Ganon. You heard that clip yesterday when I asked him. Does it matter now on Sunday? Sunday it used to be because the Sunday paper you'd be a big deal. Yeah. Sunday isn't that big a deal now for you. It's not. I still, but I'm old school. I like, you know, I like to read on Sundays and I'm hoping lots of other people do this. Well, but I'll probably post it earlier than that. Probably sometime on Saturday. It's not a Sunday article. It's a Saturday. Yeah, just sort in the better hope that you have a good night. Otherwise, it's going to be a little moot. I am definitely hopeful that the defense will play well to make that story a little more germane. I am going to take fewer or less, however you like, as well.

5:17All right, quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. Jordan Love. We haven't done this one yet this year. Less than 229 and a half passing yards for Jordan Love tonight. Does he get to 230 as our magic number for more? Ugh. I'm not touching this one. I know you don't like to hear that. I'm not touching this one. I could see a bigger, a couple of big plays down the field. I don't think Laflore is going to, I think it's going to be a scaled down conservative offensive dink and dink. I think you're going to see some shots early if you can get the run game going off of play action. I don't think if I'm at the floor and I see all these quarterbacks getting hurt throughout the league. And I see what teams are doing to us. I think brick is their decordator, right? The guy that used to coach in New York. Yes.

6:17They have from head coach Jeff Ulbrich. Yeah, we call him brick. I don't think we do do. I don't know how we do. Do they not call it brick? They do. I have never called Jeff Ulbrich brick. Well, you don't even know Cedaria Smith was on the team. So, uh, fair. You said we, am I part of weir is this like you and towering or you and Jason kind of thing and I'm over here. This was more NFL players and that was more in line, but you guys can tick to it. How you want us to say we that's fine. I know you would call it brick. I would call it brick. Brick. I would call it brick. What a history do you have with brick? Have you ever talked to brick? Do I envision, do I envision him litsing and bringing pressure with an old line that has shown? They're struggling to handle it? I would. If I was brick. So, they're going to do that and if I'm mat the floor, I'm not going to out brick brick.

7:19I'm going to out brick. I'm going to put up a brick wall and say no, no, no, we're going to run the football and the ball is coming out of our guys hand quick so that you can't hit us with a brick. If you know what I mean. Let's get to the next one. Would you stop being a brick? There are multiple packers running backs who are listed with projections for rush attempts tonight. Where is Trace smack at with Feelgull? What in a half? Well, that's the one I'm in on. I'm all in on that. I'm running back to our standard. We are not on remote at said anywhere. You can dial it down back to being your normal self at your undisclosed location. I think there's an interest in conversation to be had here about the running backs if we'd like to hear out the projections for the running backs. Thank you. Let's hear it. Caleb Johnson, more or less than 10 and a half rush attempts.

8:20More. Marcian Lloyd, more or less than seven and a half rush attempts. More. Chris Brooks, more or less than four and a half rush attempts. More. Less. Well, they're all going to run a lot, like what? Yep. You want all of the running backs have more on their projections than I just said. I do. I do. No one brick. I think that he's going to play a light box and he's going to break pressure. We're going to force everybody hated Matt LaFloor's answer about, oh, two high safeties and a light box. You have to run the football and if you want to get people out of that, you have to show that you're going to force them to bring a safety down or do something different, bring somebody else in to make it easier to throw the football. The packers want to throw the football. Matt LaFloor wants to throw the football. Brick wants them to run the football.

9:20The packers are going to run the football. The only nervous part about that for me is the seven and a half for Marshawn. I think they got something they saw that nice run and it Brooksy made a big play breaking some tackles. I think that they want to go that route but they still want to give Marshawn light. I think they're going to struggle with that. I think they want to get Caleb in there for more touches. They like his outside zone and that's why I think he's going to be the belt collar. And if he has a day, don't be surprised if it's in a manual Wilson type of day against the Vikings last year. Where it's hey, why would we switch things up when we got a horse? Yeah, that's why I'm taking Caleb Johnson as my Steinhalfel sleeper of the week. I just discovered we're going to both pick the same guy. I was going to pick him too. You're going to do a team Steinhalfel sleeper.

10:20So I was trying to lay my claim early. I didn't realize this. Did you? We're on YouTube right? We have a live stream on YouTube and I was sharing it to see if we could increase the viewership there. You had mentioned Facebook earlier. It does. It does close captioning because I have it muted. Oh, that right. Obviously the accuracy is a little. But it did get Freddie Roosevelt right, which is good. I'm going to take more on Caleb Johnson fewer on Chris Brooks and slightly more on Marshawn. And now what did you want to have Trace? I like Trace. Field goals because I got seven and a half kicking points. I like that one more. Field goals. You can do one and a half less has a higher odds.

11:23The higher odds, the more has easier odds. Goblin guy or two and a half more would be difficult odds. They think he's going to kick two is basically what it comes down to on price picks. So I like the kicking points seven and a half more because he kicked two field goals and two touchdowns with extra points. He's got eight. That's good. Okay. If that's the case, I'm not touching it. I think he's going to make two and it seems like so does price picks. And so I'm going to steer clear of that. So do you think there's a chance that this is like a like a 31 to three game? I'll tell you when I make my headline what it's going to be. I don't think Atlanta's offense going to do much. I'm going to be very clear about that. If the Packers put a 31 points tonight, then I like the idea of taking more kicking points.

12:25But I don't know what to expect from them offensively. That seems a bit much without a defensive, right? Special teams touchstone. I think that seems high. Yeah. And it feels like a game where what do you call them sludge matches? I feel like the Packers are going to win tonight, but it's not going to be an overwhelmingly impressive fashion. And we're going to have callers tomorrow saying, eh, what's the Falcons and other two and one? And they beat two bad teams and that's kind of what I'm expecting. Sounds like you got your story written already. Nope. I don't operate that way. All right, those are our price picks for the weekend. Towshtelis about price picks. Well, football is back. Price picks making it more exciting than ever with a absolutely stacked September, all month long price picks. Bringing users a new promotion every day. Jesse just went over. We love the taco. And it's on a Thursday. Bejohn more than 52 yards rushing. I feel really good about that one.

13:25I'm going to look around and find a couple others because the app is simple to use. Pick two to six players. More or less on player projections. Passing yards, rushing yards. They don't have red zone appearances. Boy, I wish they did because I would definitely be all over that. Download the app today, UseCodeWi. Get 150 bucks instantly in lineups. If you win that first five dollar lineup. Again, download the app UseCodeWi for the great state of Wisconsin. And you get 150 bucks instantly in lineups. If you win your first five dollar lineup. Price picks. Run your game. We'll hear from Jonathan Ganon before we hear from Evan Williams for his weekly visit on the yingling legends line. That's all still ahead. It's William Towshth. This is William Towshth, presented by Pella Windows and Doors of Wisconsin. Called today, 855 Pella WI and online at PellaWI.com slash radio.

14:38Well, the attached rolls on at a Packers game day as they get ready for the Atlanta Falcons tonight on Amazon Prime. Or if you're in the Milwaukee or Green Bay Fox cities TV markets, you can watch that on over the air television. And you may see the Green Bay Packers defense turn in another dominant performance. They I understand their one in one. I understand the optics of a 39 point output by the Vikings. But again, we've gone through those touchdown drives. A big return of Fumble at the one yard line. An interception that set them up at the 14 yard line. A penalty aided go ahead touchdown. And a free play touchdown created when LVN who had a great game to jump off sides when they were just trying to get them to jump off sides right before the two minute warning.

15:43They were good last week. I don't know how good Geno Smith and the Jets Offences Towshth and I don't know how good Michael Penex and offense that from what I hear has yet to run a play inside an opponent's red zone, which does not happen very often. Where a team does not get to the red zone for two consecutive weeks to start the season. But what are your expectations from this defense tonight as we as we get ready for this game dominant. I expect dominance tonight and I think anything less than that now does that mean B. John's not going to make a few plays. Yeah, I think he will. He's talented dude and he's one of the best backs in football. But you're talking about a quarterback coming back from a big injury. Didn't do much. This offense has been completely inept to the point that there's only three other teams in the history of the league that have done what they've done.

16:49And when you factor all that in along with the fact that our defense regardless of how you feel about what they did in Minnesota with 39 points, that was all bunk. The defense played a really good football game both weeks. And last week gave our team a chance to win a game. We had no business winning because our offense looked about as bad as the Falcons offense. So this needs to be a dominant performance. And that's what I expect to see tonight. We talked to Jonathan Ganon earlier this week and as we talked about on Monday, there were some really important plays during the course of that win in New York or at the metal lands in New Jersey. And one of them was made by our weekly Yingling Legends line guest, Evan Williams, so you'll hear from coming up next. But the play that he makes, I was watching Ryan Clark break it down. He's not an ESPN anymore, but he's got his pivot podcast.

17:51They got a really nice digs. They got a big screen that he's breaking stuff down on and everything else. Yeah, that coffee dude just threw a bunch of money into his business. Is that where we're getting the screen from? All that money is going from the coffee industry. So it was a really neat breakdown that he did and he is very impressed with Evan Williams screens eventy. And a Trenta, I believe, is the new gigantic size. Anyway, he, Evan Williams play was a was a not so sneaky important play in that game breaking down that breaking up that downfield throw. And Jonathan Ganon was asked about it. And here's what Jonathan Ganon said. Huge play I actually thought run there. Close of middle field and threw a shot. That wasn't great to see the ball go up in here like that, but shame on me. Good call by Frank. Yeah, I mean, I, you know, both safeties that we have in bowl include that, you know, all our guys that are out there, I think they're very multi, multi dimensional skill set players.

18:58And that's why they're good players because they can deploy in different ways and you don't feel like it's a mismatch, whatever they're doing. So as much as I love X in the middle, I'm good with X going down and Evan being in the middle or whatever the case may be. So they're playing well right now and they're playing well as a group, which is good to see like, you know, always early in the year. It'll be interesting. I think a challenge this week, not to jump ahead, but first time being at home with noise that that is an element you have to handle, you know, because that's when you see, you know, you typically on the road, you don't see a lot of communication bus. They actually tick up at home because they'll make in here. So I want our fans to get loud because that's an element that we need, but we have to handle that as well as a defense. So, you know, I told the corners, though, they're typically listeners in our defense, right? They better use their eyes because they're not going to hear the calls. So we got to do a good job of that on Thursday night. I don't want to be pommy, but that last part of that, I don't remember ever hearing a defensive coordinator discuss that the noise can be a problem for communication for the defense.

20:09Like, all I've ever heard for 30 years is how we want the crowd to be loud and never really any mention of any communication issues that could stem from that. He still wants the crowd to be loud, obviously, and he won't have Bill Jarge shushing them when they're on defense. But, Towsh, when you hear him talk about that group, I mean, it's out, we've been saying this all off season and during training camp two, that's probably their strongest group is that safety group. And so that's an important piece of what they probably about it. I love you just heard him discussing the, well, a lot of times you kind of pigeonhole your safety. You say, you're going to be my in the box guy, you're going to be my Rome guy. And when you can mix and match that and all of a sudden, it lets you disguise more coverages, it lets you be that much more variable with what you're doing. That is another layer that a lot of teams, that's a luxury a lot of teams don't have because a lot of times one safety will run a lot better, one safety is more physical.

21:17That's the old way of thinking. JG doesn't look at it that way because I think with our guest Evan Williams coming up next, he has shown, and obviously what we're going to discuss with him about, being able to fly to cover the football and to do the things that he does. As Xavier McKinney is a ball-hawk, we all know that. So it gives you that, but I thought that same thing. I'm always because my mind is always offensive. Going on the road sucks. And when you're at home, it's going to be awesome. Defensively, you want that juice, you want those tackles to not be able to get off on the snap count. You want that offense to not be able to communicate checks. But you don't ever think about it. Defensively, you got to execute that. You have to adjust off of it. And it's not, oh, I can't hear, I can't hear, you can go huddle up. But you have to adjust off of their adjustments and that crowd is pumping. That's something that you don't really think about. Obviously JG does.

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23:20There's some good stuff in here. We look forward to playing that for you next. It's World in Towsh. So Evan Williams joined me last on Tuesday night. He was in his home. I was in my office at Lambo Field to discuss the upcoming game tonight. So we appreciate Evan making adjustments to his personal schedule to join us. And of course he always joins us on the Yingling Legends line. Yingling, the oldest brewery in America, 197 years.

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25:22Do you need us to take up a collection for your fine from the Minnesota game? I know that you have appealed. Do you need us to pass the hats? No, yeah. I might have to start to go fund me or something to get this money rolling in because they trying to take it away from me. No, but yeah, I'm hopefully I win this appeal, but I'm thinking a couple of weeks. I'll be trying to appeal it. It's a rough one. It's a rough one to say the least. I'm going to blow on the locker room last Friday. And I said, hey, did you, because I never, I didn't think you would get fined for years, but I thought for sure he would. And I said, hey, did you get a FedEx envelope in your locker? And he said, no, I think they forgot about me. He said he told you guys, hey, I think I might have just played this game for free. So maybe they got you confused with both. Yeah, I don't know. We were talking about it at halftime, you know, thinking that we're both playing for free.

26:25You know, at that point, we got two free quarters that they're getting out of us. But yeah, I don't know. I caught him. It must have been yesterday of the day before. And after I saw that he didn't get fined. And I asked him about it. He just started laughing, just dying laughing. Yeah, I don't know what review process they got. It's a to determine what happens there. But I would love to love to see just into the in and out. So what's going on there? I don't I don't want to hurt your cause on your appeal. But I do want to ask this in all seriousness. Like, how hard is that job? Like, you're not a dirty player. No one would ever say you're a dirty player. You're certainly not looking to hit a defenseless receiver there. But if the way that plays out, like he ends up being lower than you're expecting when you're starting your tackle. Like, is that one of the things? And again, I'm not making excuses for you. But is that is that one of the dangers of that job?

27:28Is that you're trying to protect your fellow player? And sometimes it just plays out that way. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's something that I'm learning comes with the job. You know, it's, there's, you do all you can as a defensive player. Obviously you got a, you know, a pull to your standard, you know, a physicality. And, you know, within the game plays happen, bang, bang, plays happen. And so you're doing your utmost to, you know, do your assignment and do it well. But, uh, yeah, there, I mean, there's just some bang, bang plays that are very difficult, you know, in the modern NFL, you know, for, for us to make the correct play, it feels like, you know, even in that scenario, I felt like, you know, I was doing my utmost to try to not like to avoid any malicious, you know, contact, you know, I tried to avoid his head or neck area. You know, he's, he's not seeing me in the play before or a couple plays before I got penalized for, they're not penalized. But, um, it was a point of emphasis to touch the runner down.

28:30And so that that's something that I'm, you know, is forefront on my mind. Um, and yeah, those bang, bang plays, it really makes it tough, um, on defenders to make a right play in that scenario. But, uh, I feel like I did a good job of, you know, yeah, again, avoiding the head, head and neck area. Um, you know, touching them down forcefully, but, uh, you know, the rest thought otherwise. So, all right, well, let's talk about a different bang, bang play. You ran from like, Fresno to Eugene to make that play on the deep ball. And we were talking to Jonathan Ganon. And he was like, hey, Frank, uh, obviously Frank, right, the offensive coordinator for the Jets. He got me on that one because he had a run call on. And you had to cover a heck of a lot of ground. I know you're not here to say, hey, that's the play that won us the game. It certainly helped. Take us through from snap to pass breakup. I was watching something, uh, that Ryan Clark did on the pivot where he broke down the plane.

29:34Obviously, he's broken up a heck of a lot of passes back in the day. But take us through kind of what happened there from your perspective from start to finish. Yeah, man. Uh, first and foremost, shout out Mr. Clark. I mean, that is, uh, you know, a guy that I definitely look up to while I was, uh, you know, going up and, you know, trying to get better at this game, you know, definitely could look at him to, you know, improve my game. But, uh, yeah, did you see, did you see his breakdown? I did. I did. Okay. And I loved it. I think he gives a, I mean, he does a great job of relating to the viewer and, you know, providing obviously a DB perspective, um, because, you know, he's done it. Plenty of times. Um, but, uh, no, yeah, I got to see that. That was pretty cool. But, um, yeah, taking you through the play, uh, yeah, I was the post player in, in, uh, cover three call. So initially, I'm kind of disguising, um, towards the line of scrimmage, uh, you know, kind of trying to mask what we're, what we're getting into.

30:36Um, and X drops down to be the hook player. And I'm, you know, running to the post. I had a good idea of, you know, where my threats were before the ball was snapped. Um, you know, they had the rookie 16, um, Kenyan, uh, that I played with, by the way. But, uh, he was to the boundary, uh, with AD Mitchell. And, you know, I just had a good feeling that, you know, that was, that was a side that was hot as far as, you know, where route concepts could develop. Um, and so, yeah, I kind of got a good run pass key from the, from the line. Um, was able to, yeah, run out of there. I was actually pretty shallow to start the down, you know, I was around eight to 10 yards where, you know, I'm trying to get to 20, um, on the snap, um, and was nowhere near close there. But, um, so I kind of just had to, you know, eject at a high angle. Uh, and yeah, I kind of was just reading the quarterback at that point. Um, and he gave me, you know, good body language to the, to the boundary. Um, was able to, to flip my hips, you know, while I was still keeping my vision on the quarterback.

31:39Um, yeah, and he laid up a pretty good ball, honestly. Like, he layered it in between, you know, me and the corner pretty well, you know, was able to throw it to the outside shoulder. So that, you know, I'm, I'm not able to, to really intercept the ball, um, because I felt like I got a pretty good jump. But, uh, yeah, it just took a, took a pretty high angle. I saw the ball pretty early. Um, and, you know, as it's coming down, uh, yeah, I mean, I'm just thinking, you know, don't, you know, interfere with the receiver in any way, you know, those, those are the type of bang-based plays where it can get tough, for sure, um, as a DB to, you know, not interfere with his, uh, weight, way of catching the ball. But at the same time, um, yeah, obviously make sure that he doesn't catch it. So, uh, yeah, was able to get, get my hand in there. We call it a glove technique. Um, you know, root, root his arms away, um, from the catchpoint and, uh, yeah, finish the blood. Uh, two things off of that. Um, one, we were talking to Ganon earlier, and he talked about how instinctive you are.

32:43Now, in the two plus years I've covered you, I have undeniably asked you some stupid questions. So, uh, here's one of them. Uh, how, how does that happen? Like, if it's instinctive, there's, like that's somehow that's inside of you, right? So, is that, uh, can, how do you get to be in that place? Because there's other guys in this league who are probably no fence, but maybe a little bit better athletes than you, but they don't make that play because they don't have the instincts. So, how does that, how, what allows you to be instinctive enough to make that play? Does that make sense to get, not only to make the play at the, at the point of the ball getting there, but to get there in time to even make that play? Yeah, I think it's just, I mean, for me, I like to credit it to just the amount of reps that I've taken, um, and how intentional I've been on just making every rep seem like a game. Um, because I feel like at the end of the day, you know, that really tunes into your instincts. Like, everybody says instincts like it's a mystical thing that you're, you're kind of born with.

33:50And I mean, it would be great if, you know, I was born with just awesome football instincts. You know, that would definitely help my craft, but I like to credit it to, yeah, just be intentional with, with all my work. You know, I feel like I do a pretty good job of, you know, studying quarterback mannerisms, first and foremost, um, and then just using what the offense gives me, right? Like, I'm, I'm a very cerebral player, a priest, not, um, trying to just pick up all the clues that offense is giving me. You know, where, where are they likely to go in this scenario? What's the down and distance? We're part of the field are they in? You know, what is this coordinator likes to do in this part of the field? There's a bunch that you can, you know, that you get for free as a defender in this league. So, uh, yeah, I just like to credit it to, you know, that, that type of, you know, film study. Um, and yeah, just, you know, stacking reps. I've been playing this game for, you know, since I was six years old. So, uh, I like to think that I, I got a good mind for, you know, where the ball is going to be. And then, uh, it's all about making the play once you get there.

34:52And even bailing out people and ask stupid questions. Uh, the other part of this, I remember talking to you in the locker room. I don't know if it was during the off season program or early in camp. But look, I know you loved playing for half. And I know your love and playing for JG. Um, and you were explaining to me the difference between half's mentality of having you, the two of you, you and X kind of lined up in the same spot all the time. But then do different things versus the disguise that JG likes, which is kind of the opposite. Like they don't know where to find you or where you're going to end up. And, and JG was telling us that when he was a DB's coach, he hated it when coordinators did that. Like he said, I just want to farm my land and not have to worry about all that. But like we saw it working on, on, on Geno, we saw it working on, I mean, obviously he didn't play more than 11 plays, but we saw it work on Kyler and then on Carson Wentz. How much of advantages that give you guys that disguise stuff that really does make it hard on the opponent?

35:57Yeah, I mean, it's, it's really everything, uh, pre snap, you know, we created a lot of our plays to just the picture that we're showing the quarterback, you know, before he snaps the ball. You know, as DB's, we just want to make it as, as difficult for a quarterback, you know, after the ball is snapped for him to read and recognize everything, you know, everything that's going on where every single piece is moving. We just want to make it as, you know, we want to make them have to do those type of things. Make them have to be a, you know, a Tom Brady level. I'm trying to think, um, wow, I can't, I can't find the word, but, um, we want to make, make the quarterback have to do those things post snap, you know, we want to, we're doing our utmost to just confuse him, pre snap, you know, kind of show him different pictures, kind of make it hazy, because as you said, you know, a quarterback is looking, I feel like quarterbacks dealing absolute right, like they deal with, okay, if the corner is, you know, inside the numbers, then we know he's coming.

37:00Therefore, I can get to this solution. And so as DB's, we just want to muddy that picture as much as we can so that, you know, when the ball is snapped, he's having to diagnose everything that's going on on the field at once and, you know, make those reads after the ball snaps. So yeah, Discoz tunes into, you know, is a major part of what we do. And yeah, I mean, it leads to a lot of guys make a plays like, you know, X made that play on that third down, coming down out of what seemed to be the post. But, you know, we get to attribute that to either him being a great player, which is, I mean, which is part of it, but also, you know, the disguise, the quarterback thinking that a route is open and, you know, throwing into coverage. So, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's really everything in what we do. Prisoner. So you're just giving that quarterback so much to process that it's almost a little overwhelming process. I mean, that's the word I was looking for. Was that the word you were looking for? I was trying to run a processor out of my, yeah, it wasn't working. It wasn't working.

38:03And by the end of the process, it was, it's damn. By the end of the season, we'll be finishing each other sentences like Towshtest to me. All right. One other thing on Ganon. Um, he, for me, you know, I kind of like the touchy, Philly angles, and I was asking him, like, look, it was rough in Arizona for him at the end, right? And I've heard you, all the, all the players are talking about it. The floor after the game is talking about how grateful he is that he got him, that he's an elite coordinator. And you guys are one of the top defenses in the league. Like, I know you are still getting to know him to some degree too. You didn't, you spent two years with half, but have you seen, can you feel the impact he is making? And do you get a, get a feeling that he's kind of enjoying being, you know, at the, at the, at the point of the arrow of you guys getting this thing going in this direction? Yeah, definitely. I mean, we could definitely feel the impact, you know, that he's making. He came in day one, and you just kind of felt that, you know, he had the right direction for what he wanted to see, you know, in our defense.

39:13Immediately, I mean, as a whole, it's, I know it's tough to try to change a culture, you know, and force your own culture. And, you know, he did a great job coming in first day and just establishing the fundamentals of who we need to be as a defense if we want to get to where we want to get to, right? And that's, you know, our play style, you know, motor and violence coming alive on every play. And then taking away the ball, you know, that's definitely something that I feel like we still can definitely improve upon after these first two games, but just for him to come in and be as direct as he was. And also, I feel like it's really important for incoming coaches to be able to listen to their teammates, not just be enforcers of, oh, you need to do X, Y, and Z, but also, you know, be able to take in a player's perspective as, you know, how they're receiving the information is it too fast is, you know, there are keys, muddy. And I feel like he, you know, just did a great job of coming in and, yeah, you know, having an open ear to guys to, you know, listen to things that he can improve upon and, you know, that's, that's a big part, you know, just being able to let go of your ego and, you know, listen to criticism and find ways to improve.

40:24And that's just who he is. He's, you know, constantly trying to find ways to improve, you know, trying to put us in the best situations possible so that, you know, we succeed and the defense succeeds. And, yeah, guys are buying in and, I mean, it's, it's producing a pretty good product on Sunday. So can't be met. All right. I know it's a short week. So you, you want to get some time to rest up because it's a quick turnaround. But let's talk a little bit about the short week first. How hard is it? You've been through this now a few times. You're a vet now. But is it, have you found any, like I was asking, bull about this late last week? And he's like, you know, he's not doing the hyperbaric chamber or infrared sauna. He's like, I just like the cold tub. I'm just a cold tub. God, mold school. Is there, have you discovered anything to kind of help you both mentally get ready? Cause you don't have practices. And then also physically recover in a condensed window? Yeah. I mean, I would say that it's, you know, mentally tougher in the short week than it is physical. Obviously it's, it's tough physically, you know, to turn around in four days and, you know, have to play another game.

41:34But I feel like our organization does a good job of just letting us, given our body the times to, you know, just to recover and, you know, take our time off. We're not out here doing full padded practices, you know, the day after again. They're taking care of us and in that aspect. But as far as the information, yeah, it can definitely, you know, be a lot just because you're fitting, you know, a week's worth of preparation into, you know, two or three days and, you know, being able to process and compartmentalize, you know, all that information can, can definitely be a lot for me physically. I'm a contrast guy. So I definitely, you know, I'm definitely in those tubs. But most of all, I like doing sauna to cold tub contrasts. That's definitely something that, you know, kind of gets my body feeling right at the end of the day. But as far as mentally, man, I feel like for me, I just like taking time to myself to kind of decompress, stay away from football for a little bit if I can.

42:35Just because, you know, I have to, obviously, you know, I'm doing my film, film study, you know, preparing like I need to be. But at the same time, I feel like it's really important just to decompress, you know, to find a meditation room to find a, yeah, just a recovery room where it's a dark room. It's a dark place where you're just by yourself and, you know, you kind of have time to think about life outside of football, just so that, you know, you can just find peace with yourself and, you know, attack whatever, you know, next challenges and, you know, make challenges are in the week, the right way, you know, with your full force. So, yeah, I mean, that's definitely what I do mentally. I like to, you know, get away, take, go home, you know, get my rest for sure. We talk about health buckets, you know, feeding into a recovery bucket, sleep bucket. And those are all, you know, really important things to do, especially in a short week. How many hours of sleep do you generally get? Oh, I mean, it depends the day. I try to get, I aim for like eight, seven to nine, I think is, is, you know, where I try to feed into for the most part.

43:46But it's not like days after after games, I'll be stuck watching film for, you know, to like three in the morning. So it, and yeah, I feel like I, you know, my process, it doesn't really turn off after games. I really want to, you know, see every detail of what's going on. But, yeah, I aim for eight. So we'll say a couple more things before we let you go. One, obviously the news out of Atlanta is Michael Pettics, who you would have played against when he was at Washington, right? Yes, sir. How does that change things? I mean, they obviously he's, they're, he's supposed to be their guy. They haven't had him. He's coming back from the ACL. He's going to be playing in his first game. How does that change your preparation to add that layer? Because you don't have film of him from this season. And they've got a new coach compared to last year. So what does that do to you? Yeah, it's just honestly, it just puts more emphasis on in-game adjustments, you know, than anything else.

44:47Because you said it, there's not much, you know, not much film to go off of. Like we, as far as scheme goes, obviously they're going to, you know, stay true to who you are, you know, play their scheme out. So you look at the first two games, you know, look at the coordinators last year and, you know, wherever they are and kind of pick up the little details of, okay, what, what do they like to do in certain scenarios? But, yes, as far as quarterback play goes, you know, the last film on him is from what a year and a half ago. So it's a, it's definitely, you know, not up to date. But at the same time, you just try to, you know, key on, key in on those mannerisms, you know, because, you know, those never really fade from a quarterback, you know, every quarterback is unique in his own way. But yeah, you just kind of, you know, kind of focus in on those mannerisms, but at the same time, I understand that things can change, right? Like a coordinator, his job is to build the offense around the quarterback. So obviously things are going to be a little different than, you know, exactly what you, you saw last week.

45:50So yeah, it just puts a little more emphasis on the end game adjustments, you know, got to, got to be ready to kind of pivot into any direction, depending on, you know, how those first couple of drives go. But, nah, we'll be ready. We'll be ready. All right, last thing. So watch in the game on Sunday. You know, obviously you guys lose two of your brothers to serious injuries. They both get carted off. And then I see Zaire Franklin bring you guys as a defense together on the sideline, the Fox cameras have him. He's all fired up. You can see we can't hear what he's saying. Can you, he talked a little bit about it with us today. But what is your experience been like with him and what was it like kind of in that huddle in that moment? Because, you know, anybody, anybody can do the U-Raw Rostov. But he's got, he's obviously got that personality. He's also a stud playmaker. What was that like for you? Kind of, can you take us into that huddle a little bit?

46:53Yeah, I mean, Z is, in my opinion, like the, just the example of a true leader in the true sense. Yeah. And you said it like he's a guy that is a guys guy, right? Like, is knows everybody on the team is going to joke with you, you know, when times aren't serious, when, you know, when you're just being buddies and then, you know, when the game turns on, he has a standard about, you know, how the defense should look and how things should operate. And, yeah, I mean, in that huddle, he's really just trying to reconnect us into the game, you know, mentally, because, you know, after some things like that happen, it's easy to, you know, let your mind drift or, you know, feel bad or, you know, go into a different mindset, but it was really just, you know, just bringing us all together and saying, you know, listen, in order for us to be who we want to be, we have to react in, you know, times of adversity like right now, you know, these are the times that determine who we are as a defense. And so just for him to step up in, you know, a time like that where guys are just, you know, a little hesitant to do anything.

47:59Yeah, for him to step up as a leader and just take command of, you know, the defense and, you know, take accountability as a whole, it means a lot, you know, those are the voices that you want in the locker room and the voices that can, yeah, definitely shift the culture. You take something from that, like you're a natural leader, you're a leader at Oregon, like you're not there yet in terms of where you're at in your career yet, but you take something from that and say, hey, I'm going to, there's a little piece of him that I can use as I put together my own kind of leadership profile. And the way I go about it. Yeah, for sure, man. I mean, I feel like I try to do that with, you know, all the leaders that I've had in the locker room is just try to take, you know, bits and pieces of things that they're doing right that I think that I can, you know, emulate in the future and, you know, point towards myself. But as far as he goes, I would just say, you know, he's still comfortable being who he is and, you know, some that I take is, you know, you don't have to change who you are to be a leader. You don't have to be the, you know, the typical Rarara guy, you know, when things get tough, but it's just about stepping up when in times of adversity, you know, those are the moments that really define, you know, groups and define leaders as a whole.

49:13But yeah, he, I mean, from him, I just take that, you know, you can still be who you are and be it and that really effective leader from any position. So, yeah, that's definitely a guy I look up to, you know, on a daily basis. And, yeah, I mean, he's, you know, he's proven himself as a pillow of our defense and rightfully so. All right, we're recording this on Tuesday night. We're running it on game day. So go get your rest. We'll handle it the rest of the way and we'll talk to you next week. Evan, thanks. Yes, sir. Appreciate you, man. That is Evan Williams for our weekly conversation. I'm sure we'll have to do that again. We got like a Wednesday game later in the year. Right? Yeah, there'll be, there's a Friday game in there somewhere. Every night, but Tuesday, I think there's a chance. Any given Friday game. What is that Friday? I'm not, I'm not sure. I take one one game that I believe is a Friday against the bears. Yeah, I don't have it.

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51:37Towshe he's just he's an impressive cat, you know, I mean, I'm glad we got him to join us every week, but you know, there are certain guys that just embrace that. I know you were one of those guys, but you were also had a lot of teammates like that. He just it's hard to believe he's only his third season, isn't it? He just carries himself like a wild event. He does and you could tell he's doing more and more media things. Obviously we're excited to have him on our show on a weekly basis because he's going to bring some insight and some, you know, just going through that play that was raved about all week and to be able to get inside his head and to see what he was seeing. That's great, but to also tell you about the leadership and you could tell I think he is well on his way and you said right at the end. You earn your stripes, but when you perform and you're a dude that everybody knows puts in the work and is trending that way you just he's got that natural leadership quality about him to and you can never have enough of good leaders on, especially on the defensive side of the football.

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