#1126 - Dr. Laura Braden

0:00This is Brett Weinstein. This is Tom Lomago. This is Bruce Party. This is Alex Kranner. Hey, this is Brad Wall. This is Dr. Pierre Corey. Hi, this is Frank Paredi. This is Danielle Smith. This is James Lindsay. This is Vance Crowe and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Thursday. How's everybody doing today? All right, we're going to start here. I lied to you yesterday yesterday. I said, oh, by the time you listen to this, we'll be on our way to Newfoundland. That was not the case. We did not board or not boarding the ferry until late in the day. So I'm recording as we wait in line. And I'm sitting here looking at this sucker. And it's been interesting. I did not know you could board the ferry with a quad. I'm sure all my East Coast listeners are laughing at me and are going to text me a bunch of things about why you would take just a quad over there. The kids have been asking a ton of questions about everybody. We're sitting in this long lineup of people from all over God's creation, including Florida. So of course, me truly, you know, you're truly, see Florida, I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

1:01Go talk to them. They dislike Trump and I go, okay, all right. Canadians are so nice. All right, all right. Okay, let's carry on. I'm not. Maybe I'm getting logged into this side. I'm just like, all right, fair enough. All right, here we are. Well, we're going to Newfoundland. That's where we're off to. By the time you're listening to this, we should be landing in Newfoundland. That's what I can, I can for sure be like, yeah, bang. By the time you're up and at them, I'm listening to today's episode. That's what we're going to be. Okay, that all the side, whether it's in Newfoundland, BC anywhere in between in Canada, you're looking for precious metals. Heck, if you're south of the border, you're all over the North America. You're on the continent, all right. And it depends if you're listening to Donald Trump. If you're surrounding Lake America or the Gulf of America, chances are you're looking for, well, you might be interested in some things called precious metals, silver gold,

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5:05So that's super cool. And then finally, the S&P road trip, powered by Zebes, they're out of Chester Merrill, Bert of that Zane and Brian, we're talking about and Zebes performance restoration, delivers expert classic car restorations, custom exhaust and performance upgrades that keep you right, reliable and roaring. You can find them at zebes.ca, okay. If you're listening or watching on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, Rumble, X, Facebook, Substack, all the things, make sure to subscribe, make sure to leave a review. If you enjoy in the show, make sure to share with a friend. If you haven't hopped over to Substack, I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what you're doing. But I'm not gonna harass you today. Happy Thursday, everyone. Hopefully it's a good sailing day, as we board to go to Newfoundland. And hopefully by the time you're texting me in the morning, we're in Newfoundland, all right? That's what I got for you today. Now, let's get on the tail of the tape. ["The Tape"] Today's guest is a molecular biologist. I'm talking about Dr. Laura Brayden.

6:07So buckle up. Here we go. ["The Tape"] ["The Tape"] Welcome to the Shandongan pod guest today. I'm joined by Dr. Laura Brayden to the audience, because we've been doing lots of things on the road. We're trying out new mics again. So this has been a thing, OK? You got to hear the fisherman round table. So we tested it there, and we're testing it again. And we'll see how Laura does. OK. She can channel her energy. We've been staying at your place for four nights now. Yeah. And so I guess I want to start by saying thank you for that, because it's been, and to your husband, Patrick. Been a good time. Yeah, it has been. Yeah, it's been, the kids have been really getting along. And I mean, we sit here, and that is bringing again, isn't it? Yeah, it's just miserable. This is horrible. This is horrible. I invite you to PEI, because it's got the best beaches in the world. I'm thinking we'd lay down like we'd go to the beach. We'd hang out on the porch.

7:07We'd go to the garden. The kids would entertain themselves, and all you'd have to do is sit on the beach. That was a big deal. Now we've been cooped up for four straight days. Yeah. Yeah, that's OK. That's been great. It's been great. But sure, all the parents are like, OK, right? You poor, poor souls. Oh. Anyways, I have a gift for you. Oh. Because maybe because I thought about giving a note to, I only have so many of these to give out. And so if your husband had just said, yeah, I want to come on the podcast. I was going to give it to him. But then Patrick, if you're listening, this is your own doing. So back home, we give one ounce of a coin, standing when it comes in the studio. On the road, I'm not saying I'm doing it perfect, folks. But we have to pick and choose. Pick and choose with socks, because I don't want to pick and choose.

8:08But we only got so many. And you were on the podcast. It was like a decade ago, honestly, in the world. Was it $3.75? No. No. Once again, I'm walking around. I got no cordless. Look at this. I can just walk wherever I want to go. I want to say $4.23. But I'm just going to look that up, because that would be obviously useful information for Sean to have. Well, of course, I had it right on the tip of my tongue, because it was like, what number are you? What number are you? What do you think it cornerstone? I loved it. We had so much fun, John. It was amazing. Pat and I hadn't gone away from the kids on a trip yet, since kids. We hadn't traveled together, done anything. And he saw it coming up, and we'd been falling the podcast. And we were like, oh, let's just go, because it wasn't fishing yet. It was perfect timing. Unfortunately, the next one will have to skip. But it was before fishing. So you walked to the lake. Yeah, I'm patting, made sure to just point out May 15, 2027.

9:09He's in the middle of lobster season and I'm an awful human being. We can't come. But listen, it was because I had been to conferences. There's a free speech in medicine conference and came up written that Dr. Chris Melbourne had organized. So and we had gone to that. And there's other conferences, the NCI. So I hadn't already been given the opportunity to discuss things with like-minded individuals and just in an open forum where there's no censorship. But he hadn't. So for him to go to that cornerstone forum, which is just like astronomically larger than what we had been going to and had these conversations about silver, about world politics talking to Tom Lohong. Like it was just, it was mind-blowing. It was so nice. We got home and we were with a fresh. And we had weird disbelief on top of the world. We're going to go every year. And then of course I put it, hey, I just like to point out that was the best salesman tickets are going to be on sale very shortly, folks. Yeah, well, cool. Well, the silver coin, you know, like you do everything out

10:09here, right? I don't know if I can explain this. OK, so we've been here for nine. And it's like you got horses. But like to watch you operate has been interesting. It's where she sleeps like 30 minutes at night. And even then she's canning. So like my children have just been like, Laura is like, she's a phenomenal cook. They thought you should be a chef. So we've been getting spoiled that way. But like I don't see you slow down. And I was waiting to give a captain a trunk of silver because I thought, you know, like an empath was, you know, sorry, Pat, you're getting ragged on. Well, on the first meet. That's right. So I'm curious in your guys is out here on the east, with everything that went on any precious metals. Are you in precious metals? How do I press that? We don't talk about it, right? Yeah, we don't talk about it. We have a chest somewhere. That's right. Yeah, very deep. Yeah, yeah, we and we started paying to it. And I've been really fortunate because I had one thing that I haven't really had a lot of time to invest as my time to keep track of what's going in that sort of realm.

11:10Yeah, sure. Pat is, he's on it. He's on it. And he's been paying attention. And he's in all the, you know, he's full of his gold. Gold goes down. Gold goes down. All those conversations he's on there. And for a long time, I was like, what are you doing? Like put your bone down. But I'm so thankful that he didn't because he was on it. And paying attention and how things were changing. And what we need to be like diversifying our portfolio is so important. And you know, wealth isn't, we got to figure this out because Holy cow, it's not in Canadian dollars. That's for damn sure. You know, it's because there's the thread of the convoy that connects so many of us. Obviously like the podcast world, right? It was 4, 419 that you're on. And so like the episode you're going to be on, I think is 1126. Wow. It feels like a decade ago. Like it's just so many hundreds ago, it's kind of wild. April 26th, 2023. Wow. And if you go listen to the first 20 minutes folks,

12:12we foreshadowed me and Mel and the kids being here. And I didn't know about this trip. We hadn't even come into like conversation yet. So it's kind of like wild. Even the tune-oficion that we went and did. Like that wasn't, it's kind of just wild to listen to us from three and a half years ago. And the conversation we have in the first 20 minutes, I'm like, this is wild. Yeah. But 419 is when you're first on. And the convoy really tied a whole bunch of people together. That time of living, you know, those couple of years really tie a whole group of people together, right? I've been spoiled, rotten along the road from people that were part of the convoy. They just like taken us in and like done things for us. And like it's been super cool and just like genuine, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. One of the things about you being over in P.E.I. is like we just do them good to go and have a coffee and sit in like share notes and go like, oh,

13:16and one of the things we didn't, well, I didn't realize because you're like, you don't remember. I'm like, I don't, I don't remember you in the room. I don't remember any of that. But there's other people don't remember me, right? So I'm just like, yeah, just like, you know, I was busy and everything else. But it shocks me that, you know, sitting here with you in P.E.I.I.T. over the past four days, that I just didn't want dang, oh, yeah, I do. I don't remember. Like, we were all on our different paths. We had our different objectives. When we landed, we were like, we're gonna help the doctors. You know, I was with the organization that brought them out. We were like gonna get them on the stages. And then I, you know, we were helping it in any way we could. But that was our goal. And P.E.I.T. was on security detail for the doctor. Like he was, you know, Dr. Hodgkin, Hodgkin. He was beside him. Paul Alexander, he was beside him. He was a big security guard. Me, he was beside me and make head on a swivel, making sure everybody was safe. So we were trying to engage with as many people as possible. But Sean, like we got there at like, we drove in 13 hours from P.E.I. Got there landed and didn't stop running for two weeks.

14:19Yeah. And we were just, you know, it was insane. It was a whirlwind. And so I think it's interesting that we were all in these rooms. Probably, if I remember seeing you thinking, okay, because you're trying to also assess people out. Like, are you cool? Yeah. Are you cool? Are you cool? Okay, okay, I'm going to go about you. I'm a cool man. Yeah, cool, cool. So that's what, you know, but, but. I need your brother here to get all my movie and references. I'm just like, you cool? Days to go. That's the rest of you that one. All right, all right. You cool, man? Cool? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so it was, I think that's, but it's really cool because there was cool. There was so many people with different objectives in this room, all trying to do the same thing with the same overarching sort of like goal. Yeah. But running in like all these different directions and a lot of times, unfortunately, there was conflict or a little bit of budding ahead. Ego. You put so many humans in a room and they all want to do it their way and. Well, when you, you know, like years removed now, right?

15:22You go down all the rabbit holes, right? Because that's after that experience, you like, well, I got to go down some because that, like that happened. Yeah. And the way they portrayed it is not what happened. But then you run into some things, you're like, oh man, it can't be that like, do you think at the top there are like some just brilliant human beings that are just pulling the strings of everything? Or do you think they're a bunch of nincompoops? And Ego is one of, like, you just see the human being get in front of the human being all the time that it doesn't allow people to work together. Even at the very top, I'm like, you think they can just work together because they got so enlightened. Well, there was no organizational structure, Sean, right? They at all. So it was like, bring everybody together. This is amazing convoy. The convoy was organized from the different veins, you know, Bridget Pelton coming, you know, and all the people from the West and all the things coming together and converging. But when you put them all together, there was, there was no leader. There was no very few people knew how to run a meeting. Well, that's why when Tom Razz walked in the room and he settled everything down, like,

16:25oh my god, thank you. Yeah, we needed the lead. Like to me, that room is where Canada sits now. We're just waiting for the leader to walk in and go, listen, we're not going to, we're not going to cast greater young boys. That's this terrible idea. You can be liberal, you can be NDP, you can be wherever you want. It's just a terrible idea. We can't do that. Okay? We're not going to do that. Even most liberals will be like, that does sound terrible. That does sound terrible. Yeah, yeah, all right, fair enough. But not like, well, I'm kind of against it, but we're going to go to the, you know, the Pride parade. Oh, and this year we didn't go to the Pride parade. So like, Pat on our back is like, what the, what do you talk about? Come out and say the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like in the room, everybody was like pulling on their different ways. And then when Tom walked in in my eyes, this is how I remember. I was just like, oh, again, if you got somebody who could at least control some of the lions in here that are ready to rip anyone's head off. And I'm looking at everybody going like, you cool? Yeah. You cool because you're not. I'm going to come after you. And you're like, whoa, we just all came here under the same. Yeah.

17:26And he and he was, oh, hats off to him. Like he, he calmed everybody down. He obviously had experience in that realm running a big team, running big things. And people looked to that in any, in any conglomeration of humans, there needs to be a leader emerge. Or it's just like Lord of the fly. It's like, who's piggy? I think about it all the time. It's true, right? Yes, it is. So Tom was great with that. But even then, even though he obviously presented like an option for an organ, like for a leader and for someone to follow. And he was very intelligent and soft-spoken and very polite. And he wasn't a belligerent idiot. The ego's in the room that didn't enjoy him being in charge of them. There started to be factions, regardless. Well, there's no way to get around. No, right. So then they would go and do their own thing. And he was just, it was just poor guys, like hurting turtles. Like they had all the time, but that's must, it must have felt that way. So it's amazing that anything, but then he, like they, they did pull off a few really,

18:27you know, for, for all intents and purposes, it looked amazing. And then it, unfortunately, they started sort of having these like factions break out of the building and go elsewhere. So then communication broke down. So we're in the arc still doing things. We, the people in the arc still doing things. Then they were in this other, the Swiss, the other hotel. And then when the lawyers came, they went to another hotel. And then there was no communication. People were budding it. It was just a show, excuse my term, but, you know, how do you communicate and how do you organize when you have three or four different locations all doing what they think is right? Mm-hmm. Hey, I missed all that. I was telling you, like after the first week I was gone. And then people recall, like 53 days of no podcast, right? So like I went dark. So like I heard all these things. And I see all the infinite, I see the infinite and all the burden and penance. Like I, you know, and you just like, man, yet the way a propaganda war works is somebody's eventually going to take it over.

19:27They're going to say, you know, this is the most, not freedom combat, most peaceful protest in human history or in Canadian history, not wrong. But that becomes like the battle cry of like this is how we're going to defeat all the propaganda they're throwing at that they're white supremacists that they're burning this down. They're defacing these things. All the craziness that comes from the other side because they're trying to see what sticks. And you go, so how do you, like, I'm reminded of Braveheart, right? Like how he gets portrayed by Robert Bruce and you're like, how do you, how do you, you don't even want out. Why do the humans keep on doing this until the humans? Yeah, it's why it's insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, like when I watch politicians, beginning to understand this maybe just a little bit better, right? They need people to get elected. And so like a thing like the Freedom Convoy must have broke their brains because like the

20:30amount of genuine human beings that just came out that were like, oh my god, thank you. Right? But a politician is and is hearing like a different noise, right? It's not genuine. It's based on what their advisors are saying or like what, you know, they're being coached along the way and you gotta act this way because it's the way that the party, the toe of the party line. Right. There was one that didn't, there was only one politician that didn't do that. You talking about Maxi? I am. I listen. You're a Maxi, lady. I think that man is a fan, well I think he's a fantastic human. I've met him a lot, I've met him a lot a lot of times, hung out with him several times. Listen to him speak, watch him behave and from all the, he is a politician. Yes. But at the end of the day the most genuine one we have at the federal level. Is Maxi a burning? 100%. That's my opinion. I have met Pierre.

21:31I've been in the room with Pierre. I've watched him and he doesn't feel genuine. I've been to conservative party rallies here, watched, you know, the influence of the show. The conservative party of Canada is, it's very not genuine, disingenuous to me. They don't speak for, they speak for what the political atmosphere is, is how they frame their conversation to Canadians, there's nothing genuine about that. He went on the Joe Rogan podcast and said nothing to me that I thought was good. He didn't scream, you know, chant the champion for Canada. He does not have a politician saying what he thinks is right for his constituents. But it wasn't genuine. No, he's saying what he thinks is right. He says what he's been told is what the people believe.

22:31Based on pulling and all the things. And so like, I look at it, I'm like, Donald Trump may break so many people's brains, but like, why do people like Donald Trump? Because he is smashing, now they want him to smash down Epstein, they want him to smash down the vaccine, they want him to smash down. Right? And so when you don't do that, there's a whole bunch of people saying, oh my God, he's not the like, you know, he's over, he must be just like everybody. But let's talk about that for example, for this split second. Sure. Maha, there is nothing every time that anybody argues with me about American politics, which is often, and in fact, now I don't generally speak about it in social media spaces because, you know, well, becoming a government might come to my door. But no more dyes and foods. Revising the vaccines get off finally. Talking about eating good food, having rubber can any be like, actually, we're all sick

23:34fat and out of shape and our children are being poisoned. And we have a diabetes epidemic because of the obesity and the shit food that we're feeding our children. So I don't know, maybe we should stop that. And I'm looking at him who's like, buff, right? This guy is the epitome of health thinking, finally, if someone in the US saying something that they need to say, where's that in Canada? Let's look at our health minister, for example. Do we want to epitome? Is this what we want to emulate for our children? No, they're doing things the right way in a lot of ways. They're not going to agree with everything because the politics at the end of the day will run the show in some degree, but they're doing amazing things. There is a girl and a boy and stop two genders. That is, finally, somebody said something that was biologically correct on the TV. And I was like, winning already. It was like 10 seconds into his presidency and it was amazing, right? They addressed to the nation. That was like uplifting to me. And I'm looking across the board at all the people who are losing their ever-loving minds because at the end of the world, I know my job, like, wow.

24:37So Donald Trump is genuine. He says things that are genuine. And he also says some things are like, why? Because he's a human. Yeah. Well, and you just understand there are factions going on, right? Like there is a, what are you wind by? 50, some percent to, you know, so you go, there is billions of dollars, maybe trillions of dollars, working against him. Some of the most powerful people in the United States do not like him. So obviously, they're going to push against it, right? And influence in all the different things. And you know, like coming out of the freedom convoy. Yeah. I think there's a whole bunch of us that have sat back and tried to understand the level of sophistication. And maybe it's like super simple. Maybe you just look at it, you know, and you're like, okay, this vibration, human beings are lovely and everything. So we're just going to pump in a ton of noise and fuck with the rhythm and just mess

25:41them up. And that's simple. But there's a ton of people that were there that saw things and, you know, on all the different, and they just like, and we were ill prepared for some of the techniques that destroy a good movement. It was psychological warfare. We were in war. It was war. It was good versus evil. We talked about this before. Yes, we have. We walked in and the atmosphere and the, there was the joy and the jubilation and the coming together of Canadians for like that haven't been allowed to express themselves for varying degrees of reasons. For many years coming together, being like, look at us. Wait, I'm not the only one. You agree with me? This is bullshit. Wait, like this is amazing. And it was so great. And then there was, that was over here. And then over here was this like top down weird dark energy was like trying to separate, you know, you get the Nazi planted, Nazi flag in the, in the crowd or like, you know, there's this white supremacist group here infiltrating and just trying to poison Canadians

26:44and that dark energy came from the CBC. That was the medium manipulating the viewpoint of everybody that watches the CBC and more and casting this shadow trying to like constantly subvert, subvert, subvert, subvert. And for a lot, a lot of the convoy, the good was winning because the accumulation of people, it was unbelievable. I've never experienced anything like that. Well, that's what I mean, right? So like, although there were probably, it's probably more complicated than most peaceful protest on Canadian history. It's also good, versatile. And for once good was like, yeah, was kick and ass, take a name. Yeah, yeah. Like it was, it was amazing. There was hope. It was hope. And it was probable everywhere. Yeah. I probably shared this story a few times with dad drove long haul trucking across Canada. And as kids, we go with him and he had his own wave and he talked about how all the truckers had their own waves. And he said that had been dead for a long time. And in the convoy, he was driving around Alberta and everybody started waving again.

27:46Wow. That's amazing. So like, as a politician who stares at poles and stuff, you just can't possibly fathom that. But I've witnessed it now with the convoy, with Daniel Smith being elected, right? People, you know, like all the poles and this and that. And I'm like, yeah, she's getting elected. I would I will say is I was surprised at how close it was between her and the established right? And I'm not. And once again, I've had Travis on her tapes. I have no idea. He seems like a nice human being. I don't think he's this evil man, but I could be wrong. He was also in the middle of COVID with Jason Kenny on the balcony with, you know, with no mass, drinking wine. And you're like, but he's already in the club. So he's in the club. He's in the club. Yeah. So like, it could be a good human being. And Daniel Smith was, was at the time, the outsider she and I, so I've witnessed convoy and I've witnessed her. Nice. You see Donald Trump get elected and now you have Alberta independence. Everybody says, oh, they can't. They can't possibly win, right? Albertans can't get their crap together.

28:47And in fairness, I watch it. And I've had lots of conversations with middle of the road, Albertans and like, well, maybe we aren't going to get it, right? Because they're scared or need more information and all the things. And it's like, oh, maybe that is the best. Like I'm not a genius. Yeah. But what I've witnessed is every time they say something can't be done, I'm like, that's because people don't want to take a poll on it. They've literally called separatists or independence folk traders. Like this is legit. That's what people think of. And so like they're not going to, they're not going to answer a phone call on whether they want to leave or you kid me. Yeah. Like that doesn't, like this is, this is exactly, this is exactly COVID. Yeah. So like, it's possible. You get to the referendum on October 19th. And it's like 72%. Right. I would say in a month. I would say, well, they clear majority, right? Right. And once again, it's not a binding referendum or so, right? Like, what happens if you get a clear majority? What happens next? Well, so this is what pisses even me off, right?

29:51The rule was, this is what you applaud Daniel Smith for. You needed 177. At one point in time, it was an ungodly amount of signatures from all the other people. So you can put all the signatures out of the referendum. Daniel Smith comes in after the day after Carnie's elected and lowers it to 177,000 and it literally could be from one riding. If you get 170,000,000,000, confirm signatures. You're off to the races. This took all the complexity out of it. It's still a lot of signatures. And to Mitch Sylvester and APP and this whole group of people, and they go in the dead winter just like the convoy. And there's people sitting everywhere and they collect 300,000 plus. It's amazing. Amazing. Now, you have Thomas Lucazzic who went around with Forever Canada and collected 400,000 people, want to stay. Okay, sure. But we, I look at it and I go like, you got to understand, establishment is going to fund that.

30:51They're going to, they're going to give it all the air time in the world, like all these things. And you try and undo something. We already know the, the, the, the establishment is going to fight back. Fight back. Right. So it gets the 300,000. Yeah. Then election, then First Nations come out and say they weren't consulted. Then elections, Alberta says we're not going to count the, we're not going to count the. So why wasn't that part of the conversation at the beginning? But I know, but this is, this is how they play. This doesn't surprise me. No, no, no. It's a very frustrating. They needed, they had to pull a stop. They had to. Right. So then, so then Daniel Smith comes out with, we're going to put it on the referendum. Please, sharing. Yes. And then it's the caveat though. Not binding. Not binding. And it's going to be a referendum to see if we should actually have a referendum. And if you like, so the people pissed, people off is like, no, no, no, no. You said if we get 177,000 signatures, we get on about it. Now you need like 1.5 million, I could be off of my numbers. Alberta, my apologies. 1.7 million.

31:53Yeah. People to come out and say we want to have a referendum. We can order it even get a referendum. So it's taken the number and just jumped it. So good. Now that's the negative. On the positive, I go, yeah, but it's on there. And you've got, you've still got a month and change before the referendum. To have people come out, but we want a referendum. We want change in this country. And so like, and maybe they'll be more likely to do that in the privacy of a ballot. Yeah. Well, and it's not binding. So maybe. I was in the room at the cornerstone and I heard what she said about. There was a question about this. Yes. And truly, if there you get the signatures, we'll put it on the ballot. Like, there's nothing to hold or to, there's nothing to hold. Is this like smoke and mirrors? Yeah, but I go back to when I, like, my lovely wife tells me all the time that I think very highly of Daniel Smith, right? But when I go back and listen to her first or second interview on the podcast, when she

32:55had no political, you know, maybe I'm naive, maybe she had political affiliation back then, but like she was just a, she wasn't on the radio anymore. She was just an independent like us. She literally said on the, I could go back and find it. There will never be another conservative government of Canada, like federally. So she knows all this. She knows that she is very smart lady. She is very smart. Brilliant. Yeah. So I look at it and I go, the problem she's running into is probably different problems that, well, there's Donald Trump or any politician. It's the machine and inside the machine, there's factions and they have, yeah, they don't want Alberta to get anything done. Every, every East Coaster, yeah, even the old boys off line when I was talking to them and lead up to it. Yeah. No, if Alberta leaves, Canada's not a thing anymore. So if you, if you want Canada to be a thing, even just your regular folk are going to support that it's bad. No, this is a terrible. There are selfish, all these things. But when I talk to just East Coasters, they're like, ah, Canada needs a hit rock bottom

33:57before it can be 100%. I go, what's rock bottom? They're like, honestly, Alberta leave it. That would, that would force change. It wouldn't be comfortable to change, but it would be force in it. Well, and that's the only way that like a lot of people that in our conversational circles feel like we are, we, I would, we, I would, we, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would be so proud of Alberta to do that. Because people have been abused. Like there, there's a lot, there's a lot of abuse and we've talked about this as well. PEI feels the abuse even though I know we're getting millions and millions of dollars to Alberta, thank you. But like that's not fair in the hand and then, and then to be stifled. It's okay. So the same things happening sort of being abused in PEI. Like we get the shit end of the stick all the time because it's a tiny little province who cares, blah, blah, blah. And they've got Annabelle and some lobster and potatoes, but yeah, whatever, right? Like it's not an equal, it doesn't feel like the provinces are being treated like they should be, which is independent entities that all bring something really unique to the table. And Alberta has been just totally like screwed.

35:00Like if I was live, if I was in Alberta, which by the way, if thing, you know, that looks really attractive to me. You got lots of land. You have lots of water. You got horses like the mountains. Listen, I'm from BC. Alberta was like my second choice. Now it's my first. But you know, looking over there thinking, yeah, that would be really shitty for us, but that would be finally change. And then maybe would wake up the elbows up, recharge in the country. Sorry, our word, but you know what, at 2026, right? I've been told you can say the R word. You use, it's very enjoyable there. I thought, I thought, I thought the LGBT men and women sports thing was just done. And just after Donald Trump came on, you know, all the things. And then of course we have all the grown men trying to get in the WNBA right now. And I'm like, this is still a thing. And then you realize, oh, this is still a thing.

36:03Yeah, we're still pretending. We're still making it big. So like, there's so many things with the elbows up. It's gross. Am I, we're still here. Yeah, Karne, yeah, he's defending Canada. Yeah, screw you, the US elbows up. I've got people on my feet. Like, elbows up. Like, we're not going to have any free trade. Canada can be by yourself. Are you out of your ever loving mind without the US? We see two exist. You don't trade. You know what reminds me of? Is it like somebody who lives in the city, sorry, city folk? Because that only is a lot of great city folk. But like, even the city folk know these people. They're going by their beef from a super store. And just assume it comes from some magical shelf in the back or something, right? That's how a lot of Canadians view our trade with the United States. Yeah, it's not a big deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do we need them for? And then it's like, let's go look at the numbers. But in the middle of COVID, I remember like, one of the most important things I ever did

37:07is I went and looked for the numbers myself. I was tired of doctors. I'm like, I have to do a little bit of work. John go do a little bit of work. And so I went and looked at Alberta's data, South Dakota, Florida, Sweden. Because it was all publicly available. And then I just- Not just like deaths and things. Deaths and everything, right? And just seeing what they said about commonalities and like- And then I just put it on a spreadsheet and I just did the math. And I remember thinking I want to say Sweden was like 76% survival rate of like 90 plus. Like I remember finding like, oh, all of that actually, if you're old in that spot, you're not doing great. But like in my age demographic, it was like 99.99 anywhere. It didn't matter if you were strict, you know, like, I'm like, what the heck? What are we? And that was important. So when you look at data coming back to tariffs, reason I bring that up is like,

38:08for some reason there's this, there's this, it's so much work to do this. Just it, it's just a little bit. You nailed it. Work. And I don't get it because like the data's all sitting there and just like here, if we do this- We're screwed. We're screwed. Just read them. Yeah, yeah. But our prime minister knows that. So how do you like- I don't know. Make the square fit into the elbows whole. I don't know. Because I remember, I remember a show at the Ken, we were at a board meeting and he brought in data on COVID. Like just like, okay, like here, print it all off. And I just watched people's eyes just like, and I'm like, uh. But that's not real. So what would be interesting is if you printed out the flu beside the COVID for the elderly, that's a good graph to you. Yeah. Yeah. Coming from your background. Look how do you put that peg in the square hole?

39:10How do I put what? Well, I remember people telling me in the middle of COVID, Sean, you're just a oil field, whatever hockey player take a pick. What do you know? I mean, I've gotten this a lot from having a podcast. You don't have a PhD in anything. You're not an highly educated, you know, and I'm like, uh-huh. Okay. You're right. I am a moron. But even a moron can see like simple things and just be like, I don't, you know, this guy is blue. Yeah. You can't tell me it's green. Yeah. You can tell me all these things, but I'm like, I can just use my eyes and see it. Blue. Yeah. We don't have an immigration problem, really? I can literally open my eyes and I can believe what my eyes are seeing. I'm not, it doesn't mean they're all bad people. It just means there is a ton of them and they're coming. And anywhere I go in Canada, everybody says the same thing. It's like I use my ears and my eyes and you can just say we have a problem. You ma'am. Yeah. Yeah, that was hard. You got a-

40:11You can't tell me this guy's- Well, you can go like, here's all the- This is why I need the peer to the food literature. And then you could- Then they could- Well, that's not good literature. And you would actually be able to- Marine ecology of wolf. And I'm like, well, I've been trying to think about- No, no, I'm going to ask questions. Okay. Because I'm going to get pulled off on a side to Andrew. It must be ridiculously frustrating on so many different levels to have your background and your- Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And the whole understanding of like all of the scientists was basically- It was my- It was like, here's this problem, and you are probably more equipped at the 99.5% of the population of Canada to understand it because that's what it is. We're very specialized, molecular meenology and genetics and bioinformatics and reading code, genetic code and cloning, like all of these things working with virus, working with detonated pathogens in bio asard lab,

41:14to understand that if this was really a bad thing, the mask is absolutely the most idiotic you know, prevention measure, it has nothing to do. Just all of these things sort of were in the background all the time and I was assuming Sean that because I had so much experience in a lot of these things, listen, so much a decade or so, not as much as a lot of people. So I assumed that my peers who had like way more years of experience, like everybody that I was working with at the Atlantic Veterinary College, I'm just going to call it what it is. Everybody that you know in my peer group with the exception of two scientists, and I will not name their names, but they testified for the NCI, everybody was trying to tell me the sky was green. Everybody, and I'm sitting across from these people at a dinner, and one of them is wearing a mask at the dinner table, and I'm like listen, you're just you're kidding right,

42:15because I didn't wear, I'm just refused for multiple reasons. Well you know, they tell it, they tell us it's for our own good, it's for our safety, it's for your baby. You look, I'm like, bud, we work with virus, that's not how this works, what do you mean they tell you? Didn't you do like a PhD in 95 different postdoctoral fellowships in this realm, like what the fuck? It was so bizarre, it was such a such a trip, and then like with all the other things, like the piece of everything. Everything about it was just so insane, Sean, that when it came to like trying to square that whole, it was almost, it wasn't worth it. And then I was working for a company as the only professional in the field that could understand it. I was the only immunologist working for my company, AquaBounty, I could say that too, because turns out they just went bankrupt, so it doesn't matter anymore. Anyways, doing work with gene editing, doing work with immunologist, I was the program lead, I was doing all the things,

43:23and they tried to get me to write a letter to all the employees encouraging them to get the genetic experiment that I just finished telling them in a board meeting was likely not safe because it wasn't tested, and we've never used this technology on humans before, and I will refuse, I'm not putting my name on it, so then they just made their own and generic and signed it as someone else. But they refused to listen to, like, we should have a conversation, because from a liability standpoint, you can get sued. You're an American company, somebody's going to sue you, because you force them. Like, should we not talk about this? Oh, we don't like, we're just going to, the FDA blah, blah, blah. And also, we're thinking that we're just going to give 100 bucks to all the employees that go out that day and get their vaccine, and it will be like a bonus. I'm like, oh, so we're going to coerce people with money. That's what it was. It was insane. Anyways, I dig right, but really to get to your question, it was just... Well, so then... Shocking. Like, we're all living our different lives, right? And in your background, it's different than where I sit.

44:27I sit and I've stood on a lot of different questions. When I sit in here, you just say everything you did. I'm like, you must have come away from that. And, sat, I assume you've stood on that for a while, where you're like, how can brilliant people just all suddenly forget everything they've learned, and we expect people to pick up a document and go, oh, this makes sense when we haven't... It isn't our background, right? And yet, some farmer can grab it and be like, oh, yeah, you just... Like, there's been these lovely human beings. Lovely. Who can just pick up documents and read through it? And some people are just wired that way. In a different life, they would have been, I don't know, some PhD somewhere and would have been in that field, but they're not. They're just like everyday people. But like, you're talking about experts in their field. For getting everything they've learned. The ability to be psychologically manipulated.

45:28Is insane. That was the big takeaway for me. Yeah, but we're watching it right now with tariffs. Tariffs? And with when the Trump, to get carny in, psychological manipulation, the client... I mean, it started with climate hysteria, psychological manipulation. There's all these different ticks, and we know, because people have started saying, actually, this is military. This is how we... this is the thing. We can use social media, the social media, the mainstream media, to manipulate people using various tactics. So, these people... so at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what your degree is. It doesn't matter. PhDs... What it showed me is that the indoctrination of people and the psychological tactics to make them fear something so much, that they completely forget reality. Can I give you an example?

46:28And I've been in a lot of discussion groups with other outspoken, like MDs, PhDs, research, Twitter groups, spaces, a lot of a lot. And I didn't come up with this on my own. I forget he was anonymous. So I forget what his name was, but he's an immunologist from New York. He was in this group in a Twitter space, and he said, can we just all just take a second and talk about the basic immunological... truths that we know, scientists. When you inject an antigen into the arm, you're invoking the production of antibodies by B cells, IgGs. Okay? Immunolog... immunoglobulin Gs, most of them. I know there's all these different classes, but those are the immunolog... Those are the antibodies that are produced when you give somebody an injection in their arm. Which... and then... okay, so you've got injected. And then in clinical trial, then they pull the blood of the rats or the humans to look at the thandibody tighter.

47:31How much of that antibody is being produced in response to the foreign object is to inject it into your arm? And the amount of antibody they use as a proxy for immunity. So they look at one evaluation, one diagnostic, one thing as a proxy for a very complex immunological response that is using it... immun... antibodies like 10% of that response is due to antibodies. They don't look at cellular immunity, which is, by the way, more important, especially in the case of COVID and the flu. Cellular immunity, the natural killer cells, the cells that go around and eat things that look for virus, love it like that. They don't measure that. They don't measure a mucosal immunity, which is the antibodies that produce that are produced in your mucosal membranes, your nasal passages, your respiratory tract, your urology tract, your gut.

48:34Those are IgM antibodies. Those antibodies are not produced in response to an intramuscular injection. So as everybody right now that's listening, including yourself, is trying to figure out what the heck I just said. Basically, when you give somebody an injection in their arm for a respiratory virus that is being met by your mucosal immune system, like scientifically, that's invalid. Like, your immune system in your lungs is a different type of immunity. I want to make sure what you're saying is, by injecting it, your triggering response, but the response has no effect on the problem. Right? So you take, yes, that's what I'm saying. Mucosal immunity in your lungs and in your na, all those things to COVID the flu, how do you, you're giving somebody an injection and measuring their response as a proxy to their immunity, they're not looking at the production of IgM antibodies, which would be actually the things that are going to be neutralizing the virus of one.

49:45Right. In your nasal passages. So everybody is just this hysteria for inject. This is the problem. So you go back to this call with this New York man, and I'm thinking, oh my god, like, that's, that's like first year shit. Like this is, this is not like, oh, you need 25 different postdocs to get to that information. No, no, no, this is at the beginning. Yeah, but we, we, right now are like on a societal level. I thought we were pass us, but then all the stuff with WMBA. And I'm like, a women's league can't just come out and say it's a league for women. That's a problem. We, so you're talking about something that is for your specific area. It's like, this is first year, first day, you open the book, you read it. There's boys and there are girls. 100%. Full stop. Perfect. Perfect technology. But like on a societal level, we can't get to, there's boys and there's girls. Yeah. So it's like, what the frick hope do we got? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of thing.

50:45Yeah. So I guess what I was getting at is like that real basic biology was just to understand the same thing. It's just being ignored and being rewritten and we're being manipulated into even, not even looking at that. So like to my advisors and to my people that I'm working for and we're having this conversation. And they don't even like talk about that because the gold standard in vaccinology and research is, is antibody titers that the only thing we care about blah, blah, blah, and therefore they must be immune because they have this much blah, blah, blah, blah. Like I, and I'm not saying that they're useless because like vaccine, you know, certain, anyways, I don't want to get to the vaccine roll because that. No, no, no, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's a whole reason to ask question is like, yeah, a politician and that once again, I'm acting like I was a politician. I'm not. But from what I can see is they're constantly pulling, you know, like peer-pulling to me and once again, I'm hard on the guy because you're going to be the leader of the Fistal opposition.

51:52You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that there was this huge group of people that are not okay with the status quo. They're not okay with the stupidity going on. So you don't need a poll to just look at the problems of Canada and just go, oh, we should probably just do common sense things. And that there's a whole bunch of those things. But instead we run by like, oh, so careful. I don't want to say careful. Yeah. So when you go, when I think of like, wow. Yeah. People, I don't know, I mean, they'll frame it in a different way for sure. People like we just, it needs to get a little worse for more people to wake up, right? We're on this like just timeline. Two decades and then we'll be, we'll have enough people will go. I don't believe that. I just look at some countries that went through like hundreds of years.

52:55Or like, take your timeline of how long they went into tyranny and like poverty and everything. And I'm like, we didn't have massive revolt. Like, to me, that's not the way this works. And they didn't have the control mechanism. Well, they had a different control mechanism for sure. But like social media is like, Uber powerful. Uber powerful. And they didn't have replacement migration either. They might have had different things like that. I don't think so. I don't think there's a, I don't think any of these are new. I don't think there's anything new under the sun. It comes in new forms, but I don't know. I don't think that's. No, I think that's an age old tactic. Okay. We just haven't seen it. Wow. I mean, because until you're living it, you're like, what does that even mean? I don't know what that means. Yeah. Come on in, right? Like, we're friends. Everybody's friends. See, see, sit here and you go, oh, like, we have time. I don't worry about it. I told you lots about like, you know, I'm leaving God, maybe Jesus. I'm not, I'm not stressed about this.

54:04But I do stew on it because I'm like, you know, we could, we could just do, we could just unite, kick out some of the awful ideas. And we'd actually be like really good for our kids. Right? I got kids. Yeah. I want them to have a good life and not have to stress about things I'm stressing about. But like, on the same talk tonight. It's the struggle, right? Yeah. And also, and also, like, not even, not even be able to live in peace. Like, we're, we're, we're missing, we're missing the plot. Constable battle to like, just get ahead and live your life in peace in a way that is prosperous. It shouldn't be this hard. We're just up against. Just terrible idea after terrible idea that are applauded by what seems to be the masses, which is difficult to watch. But in fairness, like, I came through COVID was a part of like a whole network of people. And I just assumed that network of people would be like the glue that.

55:10And I didn't realize how. Right. Yeah. And how you can just stick little things in and blow it up. And then they get in fighting. And you're like, oh, the human ego and emotion, like emotion. Any time I get like super upset. I'm not perfect at it. But I started to check myself. Like, oh, why did that got me? I better check that first. Like, why am I upset about this? I mean, the human emotions are like easy to manipulate. That's what we're talking about. Right? Social media does it extremely well. And they're working on our kids. Wow. Not our, not our kids. Like the kids. Yeah. I'm like, I watch people like, if I lost a different discussions with parents, friends. Like, I have my kids. I already know the hell I'm dying on here in the next couple of years. My kids are going to want to phone. All their friends are going to have fun. Like you're not getting the phone. And someday when I'm worried about their safety, it'll be a flip phone. I'm like, here you go. You want the phone? Here it is. Yeah. You text me. You call me. Yeah. Get in trouble. And they'll be upset about that. No, I don't care. Like, I know too much. You can't undo what I know about social media and what the things are trying to program. I'm not doing it.

56:21You just ain't doing that. But that's happening like on a societal level. Yeah. The nine-year-old's headphones. And they're around us. And they're just, it's, I mean, it's sad because those parents are putting their kids unknowingly, but they should know better in harm's way. That's how I feel. Like, it's a scary place for a parent, for a mom of two kids. Well, maybe you can talk to this. Like, because like, I assume that every day person when they hear, you know, it's a scary world on a phone. Go like, well, we can put controls in, right? To like, make sure they don't go on porn sites or something really, you know, like all the different weird stuff. But like, from a health standpoint, staring at a screen, I can watch how it affects my children. Like, turns of prefrontal cortex off. It reorganizes their brain to react differently to human motion and human contact. So basically, they're just generating a generation of zombies who don't know how to interact.

57:27They don't know how to talk to people. Can't deal with confrontation. Everything is like, oh, like they're just being withdrawn. There's no, when you look at your phone and your main thing is getting likes or being like, you know, doing this and you can just go like and move on and flip, flip, flip, flip. It's just, it's not the way that kids' brains are supposed to develop. And those people, little kids, are then going through the levels, right? And then you get to adolescence and then you have all that other shit that's on top of it and they're just a bunch of zombies. How many kids do you know right now that are 15 are actively looking for like hard work? I mean, on the prairies? Probably a lot more. But if you go to the city and ask those questions, you can't. It's so obvious. It's plain as day. It's a different way of being a human and it's being engineered by social media and electronic devices. So like government talking about mandatory age to be on blah, blah, blah. Do you actually agree with that then?

58:29Do I agree with putting a mandatory age? I don't agree with any government interference in that realm. That is a slippery slope to digital ID and anybody who argues is just not seeing the fucking plot. That's what's going on. And it's under the guise of saving the kids. It was the same thing with, well, we don't want to leave one kid behind. So let's just put everybody's welcome. It's about the kids. Bullshit. It's about them controlling the parents in the end. Wow. A vote. Everybody actually. Yeah. A vote conditioning. Yeah. It's funny. I was curious. I'm like. The government has no place in my home. That's up to me to decide. If you're a shitty parent and you want to put your kid on social, like fine. But that's not up to the man. I know. I've come to a relatively firm conclusion that the solutions to our problems are take a long time.

59:30And it's like starts in the house. For me, it started with me. I got to join peers. I got to clean up your room. I got to start doing better. And then as a parent, it's like, yeah, you got to pick some battles. It's not going to be fun. That's not up to the government to do. No, no, no, no. You shouldn't want the government to step in and do that. You know, on the prairies, that's still a live debate. It doesn't really. It's perfect. You look back at the West. I just assume that I look back at the West as I go and like, I've seen some different people on talking about independence. I've seen some, and I'm like, man, it looks like such a mess over there. But I'm like, I love the mess. The mess is. At least you're having conversations. Conversations and it's like, you know, discussion. But like, I've had lots of conversations on social media with parents or with parents. And the last one I got was Sean. We're not going to put our kids back in the 90s. Like they got to live in today's world. No, that's 100%. I'm not saying they should like fear technology.

1:00:37Just understand what you're giving them at a young age and the detriment it can be on their life. To put blinders on like like that, they have no. It's very similar to a lot of things that people say, well, we're past that. Oh, well, we're, you know, don't be so stuck in that, you know, be more liberal. Right? Be a little. We have to progress as a society. So we have to have phones. We have to have iPads and all the kids need to, and this is the way. So technology is part of it. You know, so, so what you want to take your seven year old and like give her access on better access to the internet. And like, you're going to do that. You're going to pretend that looking at a screen in blue light is not bad for constant like over stimulation and wondering why kids have a hard time sitting through anything or conversation. Or they can't even like talk to you because they don't know how to converse or have a confrontation. Have that conversation. Everybody's just like, let's not. We can't have a confrontation. We can't be mad at each other. It was like the microcosm of COVID. So it's, you see that in all different walks of life. Nobody can have a heated conversation without then being like triggered or calling you a bigot or, you know, some other profanity that you are at.

1:01:52At Hanuman attacks because they can't just have a conversation saying, this is my idea. And now you're going to tell me your idea and we're going to hash it out like adults. That is being lost because the youth are lacking those skills. They're not being taught those skills. In fairness, I don't think I was taught those skills. I was taught those skills. Were you taught those skills? Oh my god, I was good to be here. We had debate class. We were actively encouraged in high school. Yeah. What? To just argue with each other. Am I allowed to ask your age? Are we allowed to date ourselves? Sure, sure. What age are you? I'm 82 babies. And 82, so you're four years ahead of me. Yeah. You look like four years younger than me. So I mean, she's got that going for herself. I remember debating in law class in high school. So like, I mean, it was a little bit there, but it wasn't like, you know, yeah. As a generation, I don't think it was like, hey, we're going to do debate class. I don't remember that.

1:02:53And it wasn't even just a debate class. Although we had that, it was like whenever you can. And I think there was like a lot influence from my dad asking quite like to always ask questions. And then I had some four really good teachers. I have really good teachers that were like always ask questions. Don't ever stop asking questions. And then I went to grad school. Don't ever stop asking questions. I was like really good at asking questions in 2020. No more questions. You're done. And it was crazy. It's crazy. That's BC, right? You went through BC. That's right. Small little town, Pemberton, BC. I had a grad class of 26. Our school was 300 and something. And keep asking questions. Isn't that funny? Come from a BC? When you look back at BC right now, you're like, what are you going for? I am going for my province. I did 15 years on Vancouver Island. And we have friends that live in the NIMO, friends that live in Victoria. And it's just unrecognizable. What's happening? I don't know. I don't. I'm so sad about it. Because it's a beautiful place. And there's a lot of it. No, it's like it's one of the most gorgeous places under the sun.

1:03:57I'm like, to me, I take what you have sitting here. Like once again, people can't see it. But like, you know, if it wasn't so miserable out, you look out your window and you have the ocean just sitting there. I take this over the mountains. What do you mean? Yeah, 110%. I don't know why. I don't know my fascination with the ocean. It's quite terrifying to a grass. You know, that come from the grass. Yeah, see of grass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it intrigues me immensely. And the mountains are just big hills. I don't know. Like I'm like, I'm not a big skier, I guess, either, where I like being out in the water. I was a big skier. I was big. See, anyways, BC was. But like if you need any any any any motivation, you just look at BC. And you go like, well, we could we could be that. Or we could be something more resembling Alberta. It's a sketch one, right? You guys are winning. Well, you're winning in a lot of ways. You're winning in a lot of ways. Trying. I know it's like there's a lot of lovely people back in Alberta that are that are having the conversations that are pushing as hard as they can to try and change things because like the alternative is, you know,

1:05:11communism. It feels like it. You know, like people people people people like like every day of folk that are just listen if they listen, I don't know if they listen anymore. If they were listening, but they're not anymore. They were listening. I'm like, I've never happened in an argument with Groc over Canada and how close you were to communism. And then it broke out while communist in order to do that, you have to do this. And then it was talking about socialism. And it was talking about how cano isn't socialist. And I was like, Groc, listen, like all these reasons. And then it came spitting back at me and I kept finding incongruencies in its argument. And I kept like in me and Groc had it out. And I'm like, if I, if AI, which is supposed to be so brilliant, can't figure out what's going on in Canada. How do I expect the everyday first of you like, oh, yeah, you look out and it's sunny. Well, it is sunny. It's beautiful day. Not here. But somewhere somewhere. This guy is blue. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's unfortunate because there is definitely like a mis a disconnect between reality and what actually is happening. But I think that what you've said a couple times is that it has to get really bad for people.

1:06:19I don't like be like, I don't want that. Nobody does Sean. It was Colonel Redmond. Right? Breadlights. Yeah. What? Yeah, we don't want that. It's going to be kind of like think about awful. That is. And that's why I'm going to get changed. I mean, $2.60, $2.60 for a leader of diesel. $2.04 here for a leader of gas. In an industry that rely we are farmers, we are fishers. Those are all diesel. Well, just talk about transport. That's another thing. But industry what keeps PEI alive is the farming in the fishing communities. And it's going to be. Well, wasn't it interesting to hear the old boys talk about how they didn't even use to put diesel in their factors of business. And I'm like, what? And then they're like, well, I was like 25 cents a liter. You know, like it was, it was nothing on the cost of doing business. You're like, wow, because now on like my brothers run a trucking company.

1:07:24I mean, listen to Pat and and that group of captains right now. Yeah. Yeah. It plays a role whether you go correct. If you don't think you can catch enough to pay for your fuel, then there's no. Yeah. So what where does that go? And we don't even have the rest of the bullshit tax that's coming right. Well, the tax. Like there's more coming right. Yeah. Well, it doesn't you know like the carbon one. So so it's just like when you think about trajectories and the cost of that not even not even talking about the cost of living but cost of being able to do the business to feed the people and keep this community in this province. Like the heartbeat going. It's you know, something's got to give. It's not sustainable at all. Do you you have conversations and watch people and talk and you have like, you know, your open society, you got a young family. You get any hope of like, well, maybe some things are changing.

1:08:24We look at Alberta and we are like, that's pretty exciting. And then we look at the US because whether or not the elbows up crowd and then the people who even aren't liberals but think that Donald Trump is an evil man that are conservative and they can't see the writing on the wall. It doesn't matter what you believe. There's change happening in the US. Oh, yeah. And we are in contravertibly part of that change because we have the biggest border with them. So whatever is happening down there will affect us and I see change for good. So that's like, okay, all right. You know what? When there is 50, you know what? I'll tell you something and people will be like, oh, she's a traitor. I used to believe for this kind of my grandfather went like, listen, I'm as about as patriotic as it is it I used to be as about as patriotic as you can get. But when the 51st state conversation was coming around like, you got to flag. We'll put it on the lawn when they like, I don't care because Canada isn't a country as far as I'm concerned right now.

1:09:34I don't believe that. We have been stripped of our identity. We have been turned into a hodgepodge crap. You know, really starting to come to the surface under Trudeau one and then two. And now with this guy, we're not like, I don't, I don't have the same feelings that I used to. What I'm concerned about is longevity of life. I've had a health for my kids making sure that they grow up in a world where they can thrive. And if that's the border is irrelevant at this point because I've been shown that blind Canada flag is only convenient at certain times. It's not what during the convoy, then you're a traitor and a pen. You're literally reading my mind. But it's convenient now because all those up. So like you can't, you can't play that game and you can't have your cake and eat it too on that. You're either pro-candidate or not. So I don't see that as a thing that we can justify at this point or like reconcile. Show me, show me that there's something, you know, like what's going to happen to him and the government, I have no idea.

1:10:38Right now, and I think there's lots of pockets of people who are like, okay, we've got to just take this on ourselves. Yeah. And talking to Matt Erid at the cornerstone forum, listening to him speak about all that other garbage, the London infiltration and all that stuff. I'm just like, first of all, I told him and you weren't in the room. But one of my questions and comments to him was, well, you know, as a homeschooling mom, this is the history books that you write. These are my history books now. Because that's actual truth, even though it's inconvenient for people to know. But like there's a lot of information that we don't know. When you're sitting there being bombarded with actually what happened to candidates like, oh my god. Why don't they teach us? So that's the thing. But, you know, I don't know. The history, the history that we've been shielded from is pretty illuminating. If you don't have to your listeners, check out Matt Erid. The guy's a beauty. So, so long. It's funny. I was just there while it just came from Matt Erid's, right? Not that long ago. And then we had like a conference. I'm sure people were ready to tune in and hear about.

1:11:43And then we went every which direction, except to end of most of his work. So, you know, like, it's funny that the conversation from the road. But you're, yeah, the amount of times I've talked to him and realized how much integration we had once upon a time with Russia. It's kind of like wild, you know, like to this simple thing like Alaska once upon a time, it's only Russia. Like, what? Or, you know, coming through Manitoba and realizing that Russia used to ship grain into Churchill. Wow. I was like, what? There are comrades, are they? You know, or you go into like the Russian Navy coming over and, you know, supporting the United States and independent. And you're like, huh? That's what those are things that don't get talked about. And that's by design. Right? And so you just keep fast forwarding and you know, you go like the can of things. Like really, I think the people who hear that. I don't think my audience, but like the people who hear that and get upset like you're a trader and all those things.

1:12:48They don't stop to listen to the other part. It's like actually the hardest thing it was is a ton of us were flying the flag upside down on the way to Ottawa. There was the F-Trudeau flags everywhere and somewhere along the lines change, change for me, whereas like actually I'm actually really proud of our country. And the flag started to go up the other way and the F-Trudeau started to come down. It was just like, this is beautiful. You know, I got the flutter to Lee on our carrying case. Because I saw the Quebec flags come out and all these friends and it was just like this almost like healing like I'm like, oh my goodness, this is amazing. But then it was like, well, actually, if you're flying the Canadian flag, your white supremacist like it's become a hate symbol. Like what? What? It's insane. No, it's insane. And so then, you know, like, okay, I don't even know what to do with that. And now the Canadian flag has been common-deert all over again. But the same people who said it was a hate symbol.

1:13:50You know, like, I can't jump through all these hoops. I'm just going to take the hoops and move over there. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine. I'm not interested in this anymore. Like, your little game there? It's a manipulation of the masses. Yeah, which is huge. Which is wild. Yeah. Yeah. Make your patriarchy out again so that you can support the guy who's literally trying to and achieving and imploding our country. And import from London. An American, a guy who claims to hate America, America doesn't have his entire family in the US. All his kids go to school in the US. He has millions of dollars of assets in the US, but the US is bad. Yeah. Listen to him. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. But, but anyways, there is a lot of like, I think that one of the beautiful things that has kind of out of this shan, well number one, is like meeting people.

1:14:54They're the network of the majority of people are like us, right? Like, I do not believe that we are the fringe minority at all. No, the vast majority of people are like starting to slowly come to terms. Yeah. Yeah. They're waiting. When I watched Jordan Peterson way back, like 2018, he verbalized things that snapped things in my brain and just made sense. Oh my god. Why couldn't I put that together? And I think a ton of Canadians at our point right now, where they're waiting for a leader to step forward and make sense of a lot of things. Just put it in such an easy, simple way that it's just like, you're thoughts on that? Yeah. For sure. But it's not going to, and they're doing that. I agree. There has to be a leader or multiple ones that are on the same page because there's too many different jurisdiction candidates. I think to be one, it has to be multiple, but they're looking at the conservative party as their savior.

1:15:58That part blows my mind. It's two sides of the same coin. We've only ever been given this opportunity to pick Blu-er-Red. And it's a fight, Blu-er-Red. If Blu was true opposition, where are their stance on radicalizing, like radical gender treatment on children? Where is that? Because they voted for that. Bill, is it Bill C4? They voted for that. It was unanimous. And these guys are like, oh yeah, no, we care. Where's the common sense crowd? You guys made it illegal for a psychologist to do anything other than gender affirm. That's not an opposition that is supporting this insanity. Where are they on? We need a pipeline to the east. We need to support resource development in Canada. Other than Daniel Smith being like, we need to, she's local, but the federal party, there's crickets.

1:17:02We have no independence in Canada for resources. But there's no opposition. So we don't actually have opposition. It's the same color, the purple. It might as well just be purple except for that's Maxine Verne. But do you know what I'm saying? It's not going to be Pierre Paulier. This is my thing. I don't think that he's the savior. He's a talking, he's great, but he doesn't have any independent thought. He's not the guy who's going to champion what it means to be a Canadian because he still has to pander to the people that his advisors are saying they still have a point. So you still have to be nice to the elbows up crowd because they need to vote you in. So you've got to give them something and then you've got to give the big hits something over here, which is common sense. Guns are great. Talk about something that matters, man. How about we don't do that to our kids anymore? Or maybe pedophilia should be met with a strong, strong, like in Florida.

1:18:05You know what? You touch a kid? Great now in Canada. You get to go out, come back in society, terrorize some other people in and out. In and out, in and out, in and out. That doesn't speak to me like someone who really cares about the youth of our country when it's such a problem. The list goes on. So I mean, I think we're looking for leadership that we don't have. There's no one stepping up to the plate who's true and genuine and speaks to the values. Like it's really, you know, it sucks for a lot of people to think, you know, maybe we should talk about how we don't have an identity as a culture anymore as a Canadian. What does that even mean? Multiculturalism? That's not Canadian. That's what we were told and like indoctrinated to believe, but that's not true. Right? We don't have to let every single refugee into the country to be Canadian. We can let people in in a smart way that doesn't overcome all of our social services to the point where our senior citizens are getting less money to live here than an immigrant.

1:19:11I have a poor healthcare system than someone who landed here last month. That's a hard pill to swallow and there's nobody in our government who's saying anything about that. They're just enabling it. So, you know, I have a big problem with that. And like it goes to the safety on the roads. I don't know if you knew this. Like we talked about it. Like, and there was a humble, whatever happened in home, I'm going to talk about it. I don't even care. They were almost killed by an immigrant truck driver a month ago. It was unbelievable. A guy who is in the landed immigrant. Out of Ontario, out of Ontario company, where they've done investigative reports and they get licenses for money. They're not great drivers. They're not driving the snow. They don't know how to drive on Canadian roads safely. They're not given the skills. I'm not saying they couldn't get the skills, but they're given a license because they need the work.

1:20:22Okay, great. This truck driver pulled a UE in front of my truck and horse trailer with loaded with horses and my two children in front of me on the trans Canada highway. I went into Charlotte to come, coming off the bridge. He pulled a UE from my lane in front of us to get on to a bypass that he missed earlier and he was trying to make it work. He ended up almost flipping his rig. Thankfully, something was telling me to slow down coming around that corner. It's interesting, Sean. I was having a conversation with the guy. I was picking up my horses over. New Brunswick to be bred. I was speaking to the breeder and we were talking about all these crazy things because there was an accident earlier on with another semi in New Brunswick. We had to be diverted. Anyways, we were talking. I was like, yeah, I feel different on the roads. I'm like, my head's on a swivel. I'm always looking at every single truck driver. I don't care. Call me a racist. Don't care. Because truck drivers used to be the safest. You never even bat at an eye. They were the safest professional drivers.

1:21:31Now, we'll tell you that the laxity in the licensing is a problem. So I was talking to the breeder and I was like, yeah, it's something just doesn't feel right. I'm just feeling a little bit more defensive than I normally am. And because of that conversation, I just felt weird coming home over the bridge and just looking at everybody. They're both precious assets are behind me in the back seat. And we're coming around the corner at the Albany Cross. So you can either choose to go to summer side and then there's an off ramp or you go straight through the Charlotte town. Now, when you go straight through the Charlotte town, coming in the other way, the off ramp to summer side is around the corner. This guy missed the summer side off ramp. Slow down and then decided to take a UE with a tractor trailer in front of us to get to summer side. So my point is is that I was sort of like feeling slower than usual. Like just off the gas, just coming around the corner, like just taking my time.

1:22:32And that enabled us to miss that impact in addition to like, okay, we're going to go this way and you don't want to slam the brakes on because you don't want to throw your horse again. So there's so much going on engine brakes going on, blah, blah, blah. We get off to the side of the road safely. And I'm sitting there and I'm telling I'm trying to calm my children down screaming because we almost got in a really bad accident. And I said, I'll be right back. You guys stay in the truck. And I opened the truck door and I was on a warpath. Like I don't, I might have blacked out. And I was like, open the door. We were off the side of the road. And there was nobody else that witnessed this, by the way. For some reason, nobody else was around because if there was somebody coming from that direction on the transcanon going to the bridge, huge accident. Someone behind me, we would have been rear-ended. There was nobody with distas. I'm the only witness, me and my children. Pulled over, shut the door, walked backwards. He had flipped. His truck was like on the edge. And he was out for a safety vest on. And he was just kind of like looking around. And I just started losing my mind. I was standing on the yellow line of the highway.

1:23:43Like what? You know, it was crazy. Screaming at him because he almost killed us. Calm down, man. Calm down. Calm down, man. Don't you fucking call me, man. Don't you fucking tell me to calm down because you just about killed us. And I was like vibrating. And people were driving around me from both directions just like, ooh, it's from there, you know. But there was a lot of people just shaking their head. Because this isn't a nice, lady, an incident. This happens all the time across our country. So getting back to the story, really nice gentleman, Josh Patterson, little angel for me that day. Talk me off the ledge. Pulled over. Are you okay? Like, can I help you? Do you want a hug? Because I was like, I'm going to kill him. I'm so going to kill him because like mother bear. Like, you don't do that. And he didn't give a shit. There was not a single. He wasn't like, I'm so sorry. He never said that. Actually, he just told me to calm down. You listen, you just fucked with the wrong girl. You did. Because guess what? I'm calm the cops. And I'm going to make it my life's work to make sure that you don't try and do that to someone else because that has killed grandma's on the 401 that has killed children across this country in multiple ways. And it always killed mine.

1:25:01So Josh was like, give me a hug. I'm like, my God, yes. Thank you. And then he's like, I said, call the cops. So we waited and we called the cops. And he was on the road directing traffic because this guy was in the middle. There was nobody. So he was directing traffic. The cops came took his statement, came and took mine. I said, she said, what happened? I said, well, he pulled the U.A. in front of me. She said, he tells me he was coming from the other direction. I said, no, man. That is not what happened. He pulled the U.A. in front of me. And it's actually impossible for him to be coming from just the way the truck was. That doesn't even make sense. So I went away from that accident and I posted on Facebook. And it went viral. I hear people talking about airports. Do you hear that? But again, this is people being like, this is a problem. And when are we going to address it? And actually interestingly enough, Quebec has started addressing it by making licensing for temporary foreign workers or for blended immigrants.

1:26:01More challenging. You have to pass more tests. That makes sense. They do that with doctors. They do that with nurses. You can't even practice law in Canada. You're going to rewrite the bar go back to school, whatever. But not for driving transport trucks on our roads across the country. So Quebec is starting to do that. And the police officer I was working with is very keen on doing that because we've had a number of different accidents with transport trucks. Fast forward. I get a call. I was visiting my sister in Thunder Bay. I get a call from the police. She's like, so he's disputing the ticket. And I'm going to charge him with obstruction of justice because he lied to me multiple times. And we're wondering if you'll be a key witness. And I'm like, you're in my books, what day? Like this can't go on. And everybody needs to talk about this. And it doesn't make you a racist to talk about this. It could be from any country. It doesn't matter. We have to feel safe on our roads. And I don't feel safe on our roads anymore. It's Pat first brought up to me because I'm like, we've driven across a huge chunk of Canada. And I'm beginning to start to think, thankfully, we just haven't run into anything.

1:27:14Oh, there's just been a lot of bonehead drivers that I'm just like, we haven't had anything like that. But it's funny every day, even in my hometown, I get video sent to me of like, what's our stop happening? And it's the thing is I'm not right. I keep telling Canadians this across Canada. I'm not racist. I'm like, you got to stop at that. We, of course, you're not racist to just be like, something is wrong. Like, are we going to fix this? I remember losing my mind in the middle of COVID. I just like, what are we doing? Can we, like, we're going insane or I'm going insane? One of the two things is happening here. And like, something needs to change. Otherwise, I'm literally going insane. And when you talk about like the drivers thing, it's like, everybody can see it. Like, you're something definitely off. We know there's something off. But you have to be willing to go into the fire to talk about it. Because you know that media is going to, like, I keep telling people is media is not going to be your friend. Like that check. Like that. Okay, check.

1:28:24Yeah, I'm so waiting for my call from the compass for that, by the way. Nobody, nobody talked to me about it. All going to pile on you and like that you're this, this and this. But majority of people are going to be like, thank God somebody's talking about it. Because we're seeing it. We're seeing, you know, like across Canada, you're seeing crime, homelessness, the drivers, probably a series of other things I'm not talking about or haven't brought up. But you're seeing it, everybody sees it. You know, like I haven't, I haven't ran into a liberal or an NDP voter that doesn't think along the similar lines what you're talking about. Like, things just aren't as safe as it used to be. That, that isn't a party line. That's like a cross. That's a reality. That's a reality. And it's not just a little more dangerous than it was a year ago and certainly more than 10 years ago and certainly 20 years ago and people know it. It's a different world and it's not just on the roads. It's in playgrounds. It's at schools. Like, as a parent with young kids, I can't like back when we were younger. Just go have fun. I'll see you at dinner. Like, that's not happening anymore because your kids are on the menu.

1:29:35Figuratively. This was, this was, we, we, you started to talk like this one night and the kids around my dad and then we just, okay, we'll put a pinnacle. You are down the road of like Canadian playgrounds, everything, like you got to be careful. 100%. You have to be careful. There have been multiple abduction of tents in the Maritimes in the last, I mean, they keep on coming up. There was one, there was a couple in Charlottown recently where there was one in Montague where a kid was playing at a playground, Montague. I don't know what the population of Montague is. Not, not a lot. It's a tiny little town. We're tiny little, tiny little town, right? Everybody knows everybody. Fishing community, playing at the playground after school hours. Some dude tries to take this eight year old. Where she ran away. That's not a nice lady's event. That happens all the time. So that's abduction attempts. And then you have the brazen, I don't know how casing of kids.

1:30:37And I've seen this because it's happened to us and it's happened to people that I know my sister's friends and Thunderbae. It's happening across the country where your children at playgrounds are being like documented by people. I've seen some things on social media. I couldn't tell if they're real. Well, probably could tell that they're more real than not. But you know, like social media is becoming hard to know what's hard to know. And it's hard to know if it's in Canada. It's not in Canada, right? They do that on purpose on this is a side and outside note. I believe that they use AI with videos so you never know what's real. So you don't believe what is real. That's what's happening because this is a thing. Oh, I don't know who's AI. Because like there is convincing AI. And then you're second guessing everything you see. So they use that as a way to just obliterate the truth. They're trying to make social media not useful for getting the truth out. That's my sorry.

1:31:38No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can finish your thought on like you're saying like in your own time as a mother, you witnessed it. Yeah, I was at a we were at a competition in Monkton, a dance competition in Monkton, my eight and six year old and there eight and six year old friends were at we were the last day there went to a park beautiful day. You know, maybe a lower income. We were staying in an Airbnb in a lower income neighborhood. Maybe wasn't like posh or whatever. So there was a variety of kids, families, whatever in the summertime. And my kids are out there playing. And then I noticed this guy who is like mid 30s, maybe late 20s to mid 30s ish walking around the playground. So the playground was an entire block. And then there was a path to go from one street across Kitty Corridor to the other. So he would he was walking the triangle. He's and just wouldn't stop.

1:32:45We were there for a good job of change, you know, playing whatever and he just wouldn't stop. And I noticed this at the beginning because he had his phone out, you know, when you're like face timing somebody. You're looking like this, but his phone was he was doing that and walking. And it just I just didn't like it. I didn't like how it made me feel. I didn't like how it when he was face timing. He was doing this. It wasn't like he was only looking, you know what I mean? Like the kids were on the playground and he was doing this. There's no doubt in my mind he was videotaping them or showing somebody these children. And it was my kids and my friends kids. There was another group of kids that were of the same nationality of this man and he never put his phone over there. It was only at the five or six white kids on the playground. New kids, whatever. And I was like watching him the whole time and I was up. I was just watching him and he would like he would always kind of check in where the girls were running around like they were like, you know, how kids are and he's just always checking in and then check in and walking around, walking around.

1:33:52And then to the point where I was like the girls kind of went to the other side of this massive playground and we're like, I'm like, Kate, I'm here with my mom and my friend and I just got up and left. They followed me, but I wasn't speaking any. I don't have time. I don't have time to speak when I'm like, I'm on the prowl. What is happening here? So I went over to the other bench and sat down where I was closer to the children. And then he was like watching me as we went over there and then he would come back and then he started kind of like changing his course because we were away from where I was easy for him to see. And he started changing his course, but he was still doing the same thing and then he would sit down for a little bit and was still doing this. But it was facing the kids. And I was just sitting there watching him and as you don't want to be a dick, right? You don't want to, like, despite what people think, I'm actually quite polite. You don't want to be an asshole to somebody like maybe he is truly having a phone call. I don't know. But when you feel that, you got to follow it. There's something telling you something's off. You never second guess that.

1:34:54Women are fantastic at discernment. Yeah. Like something's off. Yeah. Right. It has to be something biological with motherhood. The connection or something. It is. Yeah. Mel's plenty of time and like, uh, something, you know, and I'm like, oh, doesn't mean I'm poor at it, but because I have my own moments, but women have an innate ability of recognizing something is off. Yeah. So then, and I was telling now I'm telling the other my mom and my friend. So this is happening. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it. And now, you know, right, oh my gosh. And then this grown-ass man decides it was time to play in the monkey bars right beside the girls. And he starts getting closer and like, it then sits, looks at me. He's still, he's off his phone or he's on his phone. I can't remember at this point. No, he's off his phone. But he started to come into the playground. That is not normal behavior from man. Like, you know, like, would you be like, there's a group of kids.

1:35:56I'm going to go like hang off the monkey bars by them. Like, that's weird. What? Certainly on the trip. There's been a random man. No, there's been lots of dads on the playground. Once again, this is the discernment of like, you know, like, our kids have played with a dad that I had no idea, but he was playing with or I had no like, I just met him. Like, I hadn't even met him. And he's on the, but you could just tell like, he's here with that group of kids. And they're playing a game. My kids want to play with the game and seems like a really friendly guy. And then we started joking after and you start talking to him and like, everything's like kind of like on the up and up. You cool. You cool. You're good. All right. And then he's like, Oh, you're the dad of those kids. I'm like, yeah, he's like, ah, they got really nice kids. Thanks. Yeah. And they sit down and it's there's nothing strange. Yeah. But like on the road, um, was telling you and Pat last night, like, mea is a very outgoing girl, which is great, but also present some really interesting social boundaries and everything. And there was a guy in the auto area that was.

1:37:03Oh, my, I'm like, you know, like, I don't know. I'm like in my brain, I'm trying to make out like cultural differences. There was a language barrier. He was French. Yeah. This is no knock on the French. It's just like, well, maybe it's like a French thing. It's a longer. He stared at her the more I'm come. I'm like, I don't like. I'm no, I go through my brain. I'm like, have I ever stared at a nine year old girl for that long? Like, were you just like. Oh, God, you know, you know, you know, you know, when like somebody stares in their phone and they like zone in, you know, like, oh, something has their attention. Social media, whatever. That's the way you stare at her. I'm like, that's that is uncomfortable. That is not normal. Yeah. So obviously I just removed it because once again, you don't want to be an asshole. Maybe it is. Maybe he maybe lost, you know, like, maybe lost the start or need. Just see, you know, like, there's a thousand things ago. But as a dad, I don't care. As a dad, I'm like, we're going to move this along. We're going to put you somewhere else. I'm going to be the guy that's just standing here and. And I don't know. I was waiting because in my mind, if it was something like.

1:38:09I lost a daughter or has a niece or something and that eventually he would come over and just been like about it. Because he probably because human beings have the ability to notice demeanor changes. So she leaves. And then I just stare at him. Now now I'm like, you've made me uncomfortable. I don't like it. And at some point you go, oh, I didn't mean it. This is why. And you go, oh, misunderstanding, misunderstanding. But when they don't do that, it just to me signifies that there was something strange going on there. So like, as a parent, I don't, has it always been there? I've talked to a lot of, you know, I'm talked to a lot of the older generation. And it has always been there. It's just those laws and rules and social media and everything that you can just see that it is, it doesn't come with consequences. And so they've been emboldened. And so Canada's become the country where that type of thing is emboldened, not punished. So we don't, so, so this guy comes over. By the way, the whole thing that you just said about like, I don't care, I'm a dad.

1:39:16100%. Your feelings are inconsequential to me when you're making me feel this way. And people, mothers, dad, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who you are. You need, there needs to be this removal of, I'm sorry. Like, we're just like passive. Like, be passive. You don't want to wreck the boat. You don't want to hurt someone's feelings. You don't want to be called a racist. So just don't protect yourself. You need to protect yourself and your family. And that was like, that is an undeniable fact for like everybody. So take it by the balls and just own it. You're making me feel uncomfortable. Why are you staring at my daughter? And why are you as a man with clearly no children coming to play with my kids? So anyways, I walked over there. And I said to him, and he was like sitting there and I was staring at him. And I didn't say, let me see your phone. But I said, we're going. And I like looked at him like if you. But I've had friends in Thunder Bay, Ontario, who went and got the phone in a video taping these children in the park. This happens every day all the time.

1:40:20How many moms don't say anything? And then how many kids go missing? Like, we just, it doesn't matter. It's being just feel uncomfortable. But that's the state of affairs, man. That's the state of union. We need to be like, actually, no, and push back against that. Yeah, well, I go back to the conversation. I had this coffee table with Marina where she said she likes hanging out with Laura, I'm paraphrasing because she's a wolf. And I was like, what? And then she's explain it. I'm like, oh, like, I think probably in general, more of us need to become wolves. Doesn't mean you just go tear every living thing a new a hole. It's like, but when it calls, you don't want to be, you won't be around the pack of wolves. They're, they're vicious. When they need to be, right? Yeah, don't come into my backyard. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you doing this. And I appreciate you having us at the house and everything because it's been. I don't know, like, my kids are a lot. I know that, right? They're wonderful, but they're, they're like high energy. And of course, then it like rains for like four days straight and you're like, oh, man, everything that was going to be outdoors.

1:41:30It was amazing. Your son was like, I, I, Jay was helping me with the horses and was just so eager to help. And also like, what an opportunity for the kids. I was thinking yesterday, like, if I could take them on the road for a year. Those are memories, like, you guys are doing it right. That's awesome. Well, I hope we are. Well, not that I think I'd be doing it wrong to take money and road for years. Just, just so much out in the world, right? Yeah. Yeah. Let's go explore. Yeah. And, you know, like, to try and get them off. Social, not social media because they're not social media, but like, you know, like cartoons and like, it's just watching. Yeah. He's bugging me golden. And like, I see it when, when it's like, hey, do you want to go out and feed the horses and shades like up the aisle? Let's go running. Absolutely. What do you need? What do you need? I was like, well, first of all, can we hire him or can he just come live with us? Like, we'll do a work study.

1:42:31Yeah. Well, I appreciate it because you got a beautiful family. And I'm going to finish what I actually with, you know, like, you have all this stuff, right? Yeah. And you're a wolf. You're the lady who, you know, doesn't sit idly by when things are obvious. Something's something's off. But then I, but that's funny because the, the Saturday that I've seen the last four days is like a lady who goes to like the highest level and then some for her family and, and like, your house and everything. That this beautiful family and, you know, a beautiful area and you know, you're sitting at your in-laws and like, it's just like, and your brothers here. And it's like this really tight community. Yeah. I think, yeah, all the crap going on in the world. Yeah. You've built something here. I assume that's partly due to like COVID and stuff. Like this, this tight thing or was it there before? Like is this something that's always, because like, you know, we stare at all the negative stuff going on the world.

1:43:35Like what you have going on here is absolutely almost intoxicating. Like, yeah, man, Perry boys like, yeah, probably. It's pretty cool. We're doing applications. Yeah. No kidding. Right? To speak to that. So the family, my husband's family has always been like, it's different out here. Like family is the backbone of everything. So I'd say that that was never that wasn't new. It's different. No, it's where I came from. Like my family is a bit smaller, fragmented. And, you know, we still love each other very much, but it's different. It's just different. But what has changed during COVID was I'm no longer working 90 hours a week or more. Oh, I am. Wait. Yeah. I think you need to put a tea there because I don't think you've slept four hours a night since you've been here. The amount of canning you've been alone. So I'm not working for someone else. I'm working for my family.

1:44:35Sure. We have the food sustainability has been a big priority. We want, like we always had a garden or whatever, but no, like it's like we need to be able to produce our meat. We will be able to afford to eat our meat and the veggies and the canning is all part of it. And then with the apothecary and the natural health side of things. Oh my god. We haven't even talked about the apothecary. Carry on. But I did that because breaking away from working in the farmer's space, it became so painfully clear that we have the ability to take care of ourselves in ways that don't require pharmaceutical intervention. And so I was like, okay, what do we need? All right. We have antibiotics. We have plants that act stronger than penicillins growing in our garden. We have access to that. We have access to things that will prevent the use of antibiotics like ear oils, medicated ear oils that we're using. Like ancestral ancient wisdom to fortify our health and wellness. Like what are we going to make? I'm making longer soap now because I actually don't want to live surrounded by like forever chemicals.

1:45:39It's like let's not do that. What else can we do? So it's like building capacity, improving our health, helping our family like resist. Because it's not just about yeah, the government is taxing us to death and food is too expensive and all these things. But like the health of Canadians is average. Okay, average. There's really, really healthy Canadians is abysmal. The number of people that come to me that are on prophylactic antidepressants of two or more varieties would shake you. Like it's unbelievable. The use of statins, the use of beta blockers. There's no need. I say I ask them like, duh, do you like why? Well my cluster was high. So you're on like all these things but people want to get off the drugs. They want to be healthy. And I have to rely on this and feel sick and fat and like rely it on the man because obviously they tried to kill us through COVID. Right? I say that without a doubt. Plasmid, SB 40, they listen.

1:46:45We go back to that and talk to the chemical. It's a thing. There is, there is that was not for our health. So nothing about this is for our health. So we're going to make our own food and make our own non-dotardant and do all these things. We don't need the chemical. Well, we don't need the big pharma. That being said, acute care. Like we've had kids with broken bones. We've had people you need to go, you have a heart attack of jammer. You need to, right? That's amazing. But you don't then need to subscribe to the lifelong pills forever. So that's been a big piece of it. And if I was still working for my job, I wouldn't have had time to homeschool my children. I wouldn't be seeing my kids. Like you don't see your kids every day. Well, so like this has been, I laugh at them, right? Because I've been relatively busy here in PEI, like race around doing interviews and whatever. But I laugh because I'm like, back home, they would have saw me for like an hour in the morning before they raised up to school. And then probably I'm big on coaching so that I can be around them for hours in the, you know, dress room and on the ice or on the balldye.

1:47:52But like you do the math. It's a pretty short window. And then it's bedtime and they go to sleep and, you know, so you get like, and so like on the road, I'm like, I get them all day long, right? So when I leave for it after the end of like you're leaving and they're gonna get all the sand on like, yeah, how are you talking about? I've been here all the, like, we've been on the road. I think it's like 65 days now, 66. Somewhere in there and I'm like, like literally, all you do, you're around me all the time. You want more of me? We get to be around. Jeff, what you wish for? Cause I'm here for another 300 plus. And then hopefully who knows what the future holds. But we're just around the kids all the time. Yeah. So that's been, that's, but once again, I'm like, so we talk about all this negative stuff. Yeah. But then I'm like, what I've been witnessing over there. Nothing negative. It's not negative. It's still reminding. So like I, I can't say that, you know, people are like, oh my god, do what happened to you? So bad, blah, blah, blah, you're losing your job. blah, blah, blah. Like, yeah, it sucked at the beginning because like you're tied to your identity. Yes. And that's what I was. Yeah. And you are under this assumption that you have to make the money and the grind and the mom and all the things.

1:48:57I mean, yes, I was equipped with an education that was helpful. But do I wish that I didn't go to full person long? Yeah, but you had more kids? 100%. Yeah. Did I wish that I didn't wait till 36 before because and all that, because that's what women, you've got to go. You've got to be a professional woman. You've got to do all these things and that's great. But you know what? Women need to make the make the world happen. And that's when you're when you're a mom. That's undeniably true. So I wish that that had started. But anyways, none of this is bad. It's all good. And we're really thriving out here. Yeah. When I chuckle because you lost your, you know, your livelihood, your identity, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, but if people saw, like at your place, I'm like, it's not like you sat on your hands. And when oh poor me, I'm like, you're doing a ton of things. Yeah. Now before I ask about the potter, I'm going to like a Sheila. I'm going to go, do you want your kitchen table back? Because I'm like, we've been, I'm like, we've, I knew the exactly this was going to happen. And I'm glad you said the word. But then I'm like, I'm sitting at your in-laws and I'm like, at some point I should probably give back the table.

1:50:01It's the best light. And there's no kids. And there's no kids. Yes. No, no, no, no, give her, give her. Is that coffee? I know. I'm like, Sheila, can, yeah, we do. Okay. No, he's keep, we're going to keep picking you up. Okay. So you keep going. We're not adding this out. This is totally going in there. But if you want to go grab coffee, go grab coffee. Bring it back. Is this Wayne's coffee? Yeah. Do you think he'd be mad if we had something? Okay. We're sitting, like, one of the things that people love about the road compared to the studio. Oh, is things happen all the time there? Sorry, I mean, we took your coffee. That are totally, you can't predict, right? What's there is that, sorry. And in the middle of a podcast, getting coffee and then now she needs a mouth and all the things. Finish it. Finish it. Okay.

1:51:01The Potha Carry. Yeah. I'm like, oh my goodness. I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I'm going to have to come back and do a second interview. No, you're here. Let's do it. The Potha Carry. Yeah. People need to know about that. Yeah. Like, we've talked about a lot of stuff. Yeah. But like, one of the positive things, there's lots of positive things. But like, the Potha Carry. Walk people through this because I didn't know about it, which is like insane because I've interviewed you and I know who you are. I'm like, it had just started. So, we, through the not getting access to healthcare, through the COVID, shenanigans, and me waking up to not needing as many drugs maybe as we think we need. And it was just a long road. And we don't need to go through that. But basically, what happened was I started to see that there was another way to be healthy. Like, I've told you this before.

1:52:02I was an indoctrinated idiot. And it was a big piece of humble pie for me. I was under the impression that Big Pharma was our savior. I worked in the immunological space where they tell you the vaccines are the only reason humans are here. All these things. I was like, vaccine-backed, vaccine, and this, this, this, working, this, because that is your environment. And so, as that became painfully evident that that's not the case, I was like, huh, maybe there's something to be said about looking around the natural world because we were given medicine. We were surrounded by plants, mushrooms, in our environment that are here because we need medicine. They were here by divine intervention. We are given the tools that we need to be healthy. And maybe there's something to the natural health world that, by the way, before I'd be like,

1:53:03you guys are so full of it. It's a placebo. There's nothing to it, blah, blah, blah. So, as I started thinking differently, oh my God. Even though, like, sorry, just going back to your, what did you indoctrinated, stupid faith? Even though, like, in the research of, like, figuring out how they develop certain drugs, it always leads back to, like, plants and stuff, right? Yep. It's not like, it's not like they put together a bunch of chemical compounds. And even if they did, where did they get the chemical compounds? It always has to, it's not like they majestined them. That didn't factor in, no, market. No, no. Because vaccinology is different, like, yeah, the drugs and everything, the development. But then it was safer because it wasn't from a plant. It needs to be synthesized. It needs to be made by Big Pharma. It needs to be put in pills. It needs to be isolated and purified and all these things. And then, you know, the vaccines, like, we need help. Our immune system is, like, sad without vaccines. We can't survive. Our babies need to be vaccinated.

1:54:03Or they're going to die. Like, it was just, that's the way you think when you're like that. And that's the way people have been conditioned to think, because that's what their doctors are telling them. And not even get, don't even get me into having, like, the whole medicalized industry of childbirth. Like, you need the doctors to live. You need medicine to live. And if you don't have it, your kid's going to die. You're all going to die a polio. Who knows? Tetness, I don't know. Right? So as that become unravel, starting to unravel, really rapidly. Like, my learning curve was like, really, really, really fast. And because of my husband and because of other people in my, that were, I was around my environment, I was able to, like, come to grips with it really quickly, because they were already there. You know. And so I was like, okay. So my baby has an air infection. Oh, okay. I just put these things together. Garlic, mullin, St. John's work. Make all the, and they're everywhere.

1:55:03And then when you open your eyes, they're just medicine everywhere. I can go into the lawn and find you medicine. And there's medicine everywhere. And nobody knows that knowledge has been lost because they've been programmed to believe that natural health, the natural health world is just a bunch of crock of shit. There's nothing to it and you need drugs. So I started making really simple home-first aid things. And I was thinking, well, we're just going to go to a local market. And maybe people will like this. It was like a test because I had used this oil on my daughter for an air infection. You're sure to hurt because there's no antibiotics needed. You really, you don't need it. Under severe circumstances, there's always an exception to the rule. But I would argue that the use of these things prophylactically, you don't need it. Okay, wow. She doesn't have an air infection anymore. And then I had a UTI or something developing like that. And I took some, I'm better. It's like, whoa. Anyway, so I went to this market to like assess the need.

1:56:04And it was overwhelming. People were like, oh my gosh, that we need this. This is amazing. The hell of a lot. And it just sort of snowballed. So it started with that. And Norris DePocht the carry was born. Really small scale, really small batch. Like a few things in 2021. And it started to pick up because people were loving it. And as people were loving it. And I was learning more. It was like, Sean, I was in the ditches foraging. Like I was, we were foraging. There's mushroom. And then the more you knew, it's just so exciting. Because as you learn more what's available to you, and how it can help you, what does that do as an individual or a family, it just gives you so much confidence and resilience. I don't need them. I don't need doctors. You do. But you know what I mean? They're a tool on a tool belt. You don't need them. You can, for a large thing, you can take care of your family. For sure.

1:57:04And like, so it started with that. And then, so I've been taking clinical herbalism. So my molecular monology background really lit really well. Because I was a scientist, like very science driven. But all the ancestral knowledge that they, that you lose along the way, it was just amazing because the research is there already. It's already been done. It's in PubMed Health, National Institute of Health. All this research on natural remedies for these things is there. Anybody can go. You go and look at Hawthorne Berry for heart disease and how to strengthen your heart. Years of research. And it works. And it's healthy. And it's everywhere. Things like that, right? And then it turned into like, well, what else can I make? Because I don't really want to buy it. But the chemicals anymore. So then I got into skincare and now, I just make basically everything. And my husband will be like, you have too many products. But people need it. And then we have it. So if you're listening to this, where do you go?

1:58:05Can you order online? All the things. Because obviously there's tons of people listening from the West. And there's lots of great companies doing lots of different things. There are. But I chuckle because I'm like, not many of them have your background. And like, yeah, I just think of all the guests I've had. Like, am I own man? The world of possibilities. Regardless, that's a thought for a different day. I go for the everyday average listener. They're like, oh, there's a place I could check out that has some very scientific background. It isn't just, you know, not that anyone I've ever had on doesn't have that. It's just different with your background. It just is. So like, is there a website? Can they just go to it? Can they order things across Canada? Yeah. We were shipping across the US. We were shipping North America. Obviously, it's just, oh my gosh, shipping to the US right now. It is a pain. Well, not even a pain. It's just not even feasible. But yeah, we ship across Canada. I have a website. It's the power of plants.ca.

1:59:05Power of plants. Oh, the power of plants. Oh, the power of plants. Yeah, and we're on Instagram. Norris to Pothagary. We're on Facebook. Norris to Pothagary. And. Norris. Norris. Like, a Norrister. Yeah, I can tell if you're like, Norris. All right. Nor East. You can tell if you got a little like accent there. No, it's Nor East. Nor East. Nor East. Yeah. Nor East to Pothagary. Yeah. And we, it's been. For the audience. So fulfilling. For the audience out west. If they buy things. Or they just, I don't know how to, no, I'm just asking the way my brain's frame it. Or thinking of it. Is it cost effective to buy things in health product realm from you, O-D-P-E-I to the west because of shipping and things like that? Or you're like, oh yeah, absolutely. Shipping is free over $175. Oh. Or it's flat rate 25 bucks across the country. So shipping is shipping logistics has been a big deal. To the audience I've already got some shampoo and a couple other things that I'm like,

2:00:09I'm like, oh my hair's already softer. I'm going to, I'm going to, yeah. I'm like, if you get a cheap hat, you got it. Everybody can laugh. Okay. You know what? Screw it. Because I'm like, it's been bugging me. I'm like, I hit 40. And so like, if I go back to when I was like 20 and playing when I first met Mel. I had this like long head of hair. And I went and got my haircut at like a great clips in the United States. And it was this big black woman. Nothing racist. Well, that's just, just so everybody can visualize it. She's sitting there. She's got the southern accent. She's clippin' my hair. And she's like, oh my God, you need professional help on your hair. And she was talkin' to this terrible accent. But she was talkin' about like, I just had a little bald spot in the back. And I was like, so it has been set in my brain for a long time. My wife's always laughed at me. And I was like, you have a great head of hair. I'm like, there's a lie. And then I get, and then, and then I get twos all the time talkin' about, oh, you're finally gonna notice it, and I'm like, screw you twos, right?

2:01:10And then you work on some things, right? But I hit 40. Yeah. And I'm like, all right, this has been stressing me out for a bit. And now every algorithm on my phone is listening to it. So all I get is you take these three things and you're gonna have this. Or you should go to Turkey and do it. And I'm like, okay, listen, there has to be, if I can grow hair anywhere on my body, I am a woolly mammoth. People laugh at me, you know, like it's just like, like if I can grow it anywhere on my body, I can grow it back on my head. Yeah. This is not that hard. So, nor East, apothecary, and the Shradd-N-Wupoag gas, we're working on some things. I'll become your best salesman if it works. If it works, it's just gonna be like... Well, I think what we need to remember all the time is that most of the products that we use are absolutely chock-full, chemicals. Like, go read the ingredients. And I'm not the one to say, well, if you can't pronounce it, it must be bad for you. That's a pile of shit. And that really, that argument pisses me off because a lot of people...

2:02:10I know, but most of us don't have your background, right? So, I go read the ingredients. And I'm like, okay. Well, I probably isn't getting any of the couple in there. I'm like, okay, I know that. And then there's certain people who read it, and then they go do all the research, and they're like, this is why you know, those are lovely human beings. But once again, your background is like, you can look at the angry owners going, oh, that is not good. Yeah. Yeah. And then verbalize it in a way that most people can understand. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So, the removal, like, it's like an overall... So, here's what we're trying to do, right? Especially now, in this climate, we're trying to build resilience. We're trying to, like, just kick ass in every single way. That includes, it should, and it must include our health first. Because we're not able to be there for our kids. We're not able to build the life that we want, and be there when it needs to... Like, if shit has to fan, and I've heard people talk...

2:03:10The other podcasters talk about this, you need to be in shape. You need to not... You need to have your shit together. And that's a mental, mentally, physically, and immunologically. And we can't do that when we're not being cognizant about the products and the things that we use in our body. Yeah, so, you... There's probably three that I think... Oh, maybe there's even more than that. I gotta be careful, let I say three. There's a lot of different avenues in our lives that you have to be physically or... Or bit, and, right? And financially. Financially. You gotta take care of yourself. Old, old fishermen we're talking about. Like, how do you survive the down times? Yeah. And you're not gonna be able to survive the down times you prepare for the bad times. That is the story of... The whole man. Is it Joshua? Ah! Somebody is gonna quote on me. It is, who in the color grow up? No, I'm gonna get it right.

2:04:11I'm gonna write... This is gonna... I'm sorry, folks. Joseph, thank you! Sheila! Joseph in the color... Multicolor grow. Okay. And in that story, they sell them in a slayer when he goes and interprets dreams for the feral. Yeah. And what he tells of the feral is like, you're gonna have seven great years, you're gonna have seven bad years. Yeah. So in the good years, prepare. Prepare. So like, financially, that's true. Physically, I mean, if you wanna be around for your grandkids at 60, 70, 80, whatever it comes. Hopefully it counts for me. You gotta be not only physically fit, but mentally well. Yeah. And so like... Strong. Strong. And that's... Here's one. It's spiritual. Like, I was telling you and Pat and your brother Thomas last night, I'm gonna put some of the things around Co... A convoy and after. And like, I didn't believe in that world. If you don't believe in that world, it gets to wreak havoc on you in lots of ways. Yeah. I believe in that world. And so like, that's another way of being fit.

2:05:12It's spiritually fit. So when you look at a person's life, there are a lot of avenues. Don't get overwhelmed by it. Just start working at it. You know, truck product would say, live something every every day. I need to escape your house so I can stop eating like a king. Because I'm like, it's funny. Mel and I had been running every morning and like, I'm, you know, push ups and sit up some body. And I was telling her, I'm like, oh, my clothes just starting. Oh, man, I'm feeling it. And then we come here and we like lobster and like, these amazing steaks and scallops and mussels. And it's been unreal, folks. But I'm like, I need to move push on because I'm like, I'm like, I'm bulking up right now. I'm like, I just need to, I just need to cleanse myself from great food. It's a ridiculous thing. But sorry, on the whole, you have to work on different parts of your life and start putting them in order. Because if you don't, when the next thing comes and for all of us could be very different,

2:06:12it can ruin havoc on your life. I'm preparing now for the downtime. Yes. So, and there's many ways that we don't take advantage of our imperabilities or what's really provided to us. I mean, it's hard when you're in the city. And I think it's easy for me to sit on my, you know, off of my pedestal and be like, let me know the medicine. Like, we live in God's country. Like, it's, you go anywhere around here and you're finding what you need. You're finding food, you're finding clean water. We are, we are very fortunate. However, I think that you make what you're given around you. So, if you're living in an environment that's going to reduce your ability to be resilient, you need to remove yourself from that environment. Yeah, you need to move it on. Yeah, you need to, like I remember one of Melonized favorite moments in our marriage, like there's lots. But financially, we're going to stick to one avenue in this financial. We paid off our student loans. And it was like a concerted effort for probably like, and it was probably a decade,

2:07:16which in hindsight doesn't feel, it isn't that long a time, but at the time it felt like it was forever, you know? Yeah. And now you have a 10-year-old and you're like, what the heck is going on with time? Yeah. Like that's something that works as you get a older. And I couldn't possibly put that in words. And if my 20-year-old self-herb being talking about it, they wouldn't get it. Yeah. Can I tell you something quickly to that? Sure. I agree with you. Time has felt like it's like, it's almost like they turned up the clock or the turn up the dial. But since you and your family has come here and this has meant in a really amazing way, it's actually felt like... Things have slowed down. Yeah. Yeah. The days have stretched out. Yeah. Yeah, it's been beautiful. Yeah. So, it's going. That's an interesting thing though, right? Like the time, it's just like, and it's not because, oh, there's so much noise. Because there's a lot of kids having interactions and things. It's not because of that. It's not a negative thing. It just feels like at the end of the day, I'm like, I had a really, I had a really fulfilled. It doesn't feel like it went fast where you're normally a flash of the panning.

2:08:17I get up and it's the next thing because it's been... And I don't know why. I don't have the answer to that. But it's been an observation. I was making it fast. Well, I tell you what, I bet you somebody's going to text in their thoughts on it. Yeah. Which is cool. Yeah. It's one of the glorious things about the podcast. One of the stuck on things. Okay. Different thoughts. Yeah. And it's always very well thought out, which is interesting. I look forward to that. Well, the time thing is, is something as a younger mind you can understand. And I remember looking at the solutions, like, let's just flip a light switch and be done with it. But now I think, you know, probably the root of a lot of our problems is parenting. Marriage is, you know, like, how are you going to fix it? I can't go into somebody else's home. They got to pick up, they got to look at their life and identify this is a problem in my life. And I got to go work on it. And for some people, that could be there on 17 different medications. I always am shocked when I go into a doctor and then response when I say, I'm not on any medications. So, like, you know, not on any medications. It's like, no.

2:09:17Should I be on? No, I'm not on anything. Mel is not on anything. And, you know, like, but that in a self-restraint, we had a doctor, the kids, when, you know, as your kids get older and they can verbalize for themselves, they were getting a yearly checkup for something. And it was this lovely doctor, she was a, a South African lady working in Lloyd. She was asking the kids how much tablet time they got. And I thought that was a strange question. I was sitting there and I was kind of waiting to hear what they said and going, oh God. And they're like, well, we get some tablet time on Saturdays. Usually if we are, I got them, they put it like behaving correctly. It was some strange wording like that. And I was like, and then she's like, what do you mean Saturdays? Well, we got to make sure like the week goes and they explain it. And she's like, well, you don't get it, like, you don't get it Monday to Friday? No, I don't know. And I'm like, oh my God.

2:10:18And then the doctor looks at us and goes, how do you do that? And I was like, I'm going to remember Mel being more confused. How do we do what? How do you keep your kids off tablet? And I was like, are you parent? Like you just tell them no? And you have just your tears, but like you're a parent. Yeah, that's your job. And for a doctor to say that, you understand that that's a rarity. Like, oh, oh, that's tough. Like people just, and I'm not sitting here. I'm from a pedestal saying, you know, like it's been raining for four days straight. Our kids have had lots of television time. It's just interesting to hear that obviously you're in a very small segment of the population that doesn't monitor how much screen time their kids get. But I can't get over it because it's so self-evident when they're on the screen. They just change right in front of you. It's like a little maniac. It has turned like zombie. Goblins? No, no, no. They come out of there and they're a little awful human beings.

2:11:21They're unhooking from a drug. And when they come off of it, they are vicious. And you're like, oh, like I'm proud of. So how do I make it better? Most people, okay, go back, go back. Yeah. Please don't do that again. And I just want to, I just, I want to destroy them all. But I'm like, that probably, but once upon a time, my mom threw it a Bond girl, V.C.D. threw it out the window. And I can't, I'm, I track love about that now. I'm like, I want to know what the song is about. I'm like, dead or alive or something. And I went to the window and went and I was just like, you will, and that's been like, don't do that to your children. Yeah. Don't throw it out. You have to explain out why you're doing it. But she'll, my mom will call me now. Because she'll be like, you, I never threw out a Bond girl, V.C.D. You did. I remember driving. I was probably like 16, had the tunes cranked. I wanted dead or alive or who knows. Mine was the kids on the block. This is Carbage. Oh, no, you're so right.

2:12:22Oh, boy. A pa with the carry. Yeah. People can go online and order things from there. And they can also reach out and there's a contact me because a lot of people don't know what they want. So they can just, we can have a chat. We can do a consultation. I can do, I do custom formulas for people. Like, the wonderful thing about herbal medicine. I shouldn't say the M word. Herbal support. The medicine is like, ooh. The wonderful thing about herbal medicine, because that's what it is. It is. So it's kind of like saying price fixing around fishermen. Sort of. Who? Who? Is, uh. Fincter's a tighten. Is that it's a very individual. I think people respond to things differently. Yeah. And so there's so many avenues to like, you know, from liver detoxes to parasite cleanses to, like, cleanses to heart health to just, you know, taking something prophylactically to ensure that your immune system is functioning the best at all times.

2:13:26To, like, we have, and all of our things, one of the, one of the real big cornerstones for this business. So, for me and my brother and his girlfriend is really, it's like three of us that work together to make this thing run. Is locally foraged, organically produced. We make it much as we can. The ingredients that go in, like, we're either foraging mushrooms or Thomas is growing them organically. Or, you know, and if there's herbs that we want to bring in, we bring them in. I have a medicinal garden. It's got, like, thing, we wouldn't even believe that we have now. But we have it. Like an anti-b... It's a plant called Biden's Polosa. We grow it here. It's originally from Africa. Don't judge it by the name. Yeah, it's like bizarre. Like, you're kidding. It was... You're kidding, right? It's a little sharper than the other bite and you're thinking of. Yes, totally. I can't do really. But it, uh, it's a natural antibiotic that in clinical trials kills, abesia, malaria,

2:14:27claustridium, like, aromones, these are all bacterial species. Salmonella, staphococcusorias, streptococcus, all the things that cause the things. So, and we have that growing. So, you know, would I... would I rather take a plant that doesn't completely neutralize and sterilize my microbiome before an antibiotic that has the list of side effects? Yeah. Like, I just had an appendix removal and they put me... it was horrible. And they put me on an antibiotic, IB antibiotic called simple flaxen. So, see, appendix removal? Dr. 100%. Medicine saved me. That was terrible. And we wouldn't have been able. That's something acute medicine. You need that. So, please don't... I'm not shitting on the whole complex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they put me on antibiotic. And like, when you look at the antibiotics, the side effects, it's not like, because it's simple flaxen is really bad for you. Could cause like,

2:15:28nervous issue, like all these things, and I'm like, okay, well, I guess I need this because I couldn't be septic. So, yeah, but do I want to take that? If the ability to just take this other thing will give me those things? Probably. So, it's nice to have. It's nice to have that, right? Well, I got staff infection on my leg and they hooked me up to antibiotics. And that was a rough week. I didn't know that it did not feel great. Like, antibiotics are weird. They mess with you. And it's... And it's funny, because it was, you know, like, it neutralized it, but it didn't heal it, right? It was dumping some DMSO on that sucker that eventually just like... Yeah, yeah. I was like... Well, I still remember doing it and being like, that was a... Like, it hurt. It didn't hurt. It's not the right word. It felt uncomfortable. And my brain went to very dark places to where I'm less like, well... This is it?

2:16:28If in the morning I wake up and my leg is swung to a grapefruit and I got a lob it off, it was a good run. And I went to bed. And it was like uncomfortable. I woke up in the morning and it had shrunk. And I'm like, oh my god. You're on the DMSO and we're just... We're putting it on. And it was like a week of that. And it was gone. All the inflammation was gone. Yeah. And actually the sore actually healed. Amazing. Do I understand? You guys didn't do that. No. It stopped the spread of the redness and shrunk that. And then it shrunk to a certain point and just stayed there. Like it didn't look good. And the actual wound, what is it like, not healing? Oh, okay. Yeah. It wasn't good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it oozed for a straight week to 10 days straight. Yeah. Like it just kept coming out. So this is a big thing. Yeah. Yeah. Don't wait, folks. Yeah. Like, and be careful around wounds, right? Like I was... I didn't... Yeah. Anyways.

2:17:30I'm a guy. She was saying I'm a guy. That's true. That's very true. That's very true. Yeah. So it's been like... Really amazing. Because it's one thing to have products that you can use in... I believe in them. I use them on my family. You have like a tester. But then when people keep on coming back and being like, this is... I feel better. This is amazing. Like, thank you. I'm like, oh. Yeah. Okay. Well, it's because of Marina's conversation. She talked about you being a wolf. I'm like... She should probably become wolves. And I'm like, I probably have a T-shirt idea in there. And I've been thinking about that whether the slogan has become a wolf. And I'm like, what does that actually mean? And how do you become that? Where you can advocate for yourself confidently that you're just like... Or your family like, no, no, no, or just not doing that. And I'm like, in your realm,

2:18:31you've done that very successfully, right? The Poth Carrey, what is that doing? It's building confidence and understanding this actually can work, right? Like, so many times, me being a man, Sheila's point. Like, I'll get something going on and I just go, okay, well, I'll put some Ivermectin to it. I'll put some DMSO to it in hopes that it'll work. I actually don't understand what I'm doing. And when I look across... What I look across what you're talking about and it's become a wolf idea. I'm like, oh, you need to build certain skills and confidence in different areas and for the audience, it's like, you have a... You have a built-in one with Dr. Laura because if you just go to the Poth Carrey, you have issues. It's like, oh, I want to get off this. You actually can talk to a brilliant woman who is in her realm, exactly that. I'm working this idea on your job. I'm like, I'm going to be thinking

2:19:31about this for 300 plus more days. Okay. Because I'm like, there is something there. There's this wonderful world that is the podcast community. But if you're struggling with whatever it is on your body... There's lots of... There's a bunch of remedies that you can probably... And others for that matter... Totally. There's a lot of people... I'm kind of late to the game on this shot. People have been doing this for a long time. Sure. And it's unfortunate that it's considered taboo. Because in any... In any successful health intervention, unfortunately, what's happened in Canada, Western medicine, is that there's only one way. There's only one way to scan this cat. And it's through drugs. It's through this. Bubble-Blog Cancer. This is the only way. Chemo radiation or lumpectomy or whatever. This is the way it's going to happen. And that's it. You're not giving you any other options. Since when? Since when is that the thing?

2:20:32Oh, by the way, also, what you eat matters. And there's all these other... Radiation kicks the shit out of you. But we know that turkey tail and reishi mushroom fortify your body and reduce the toxicity effects. Oh, and although... So does Ivermectin. And when all those things are worked together, the key will actually work better. But that doesn't even part of this. It's only alopathic medicine. It's only the way that the big farmer because the money and the trail and all the things. That's the only way to do it. And then we're fortunate because people are like brainwashed. To only trust the white coats. And only do what they want them to do without thinking for themselves. And the information you want to talk about data is available. All the stuff is clinically shown. And while there's no clinical trial. Plus, see, but... Because there's no money in it. If it's free, if it's around us, nobody's going to, you know, if Ivermectin works, which it does. That's why there's patents in five different medical schools for Ivermectin, like...

2:21:33drugs for cancer. It works. I've seen it work. But there's no money in it. It's a generic drug cost pennies. So probably shouldn't let them do that. Yeah, but it's funny if we want... I have to write about this or something. Because I got a thought that's just like sitting on the tip of my brain. And I just can't seem to once again, I'll write about it, I guess. Because I go like, you know, you got to take control of your life. And your life has many different aspects. And what we're talking about is health. Right? In order to be effective in society, you need to be able to think clearly. You need to be able to like walk a mile or whatever it is. And what you're talking about is like, if you get hooked on all the pharmaceuticals, it's not good. You get cancer. It's not good. But there are options that are like sitting there that work. We just don't highlight those as a society. But like on the flip side, if you want a whole bunch of wolves, and I'm I'm I'm commondering your term, Marina, because I'm like, I really like it.

2:22:38It's like, well, actually the availability of is sitting all there. And the confidence is if you go use some things and it works, because then you see, you're like, you know, this is why I was so high on honey. Like everybody wanted to know why I wanted to interview a honey farmer. It's like, because like seven years ago, I used honey as a sleep aid. I did not know what I was doing. I thought I was stupid. And I was putting sugar in my tea before bed. And I thought I was going to like stay up to look for in the morning. Why? And am I supposed to do this? No. Oh, I was having a horrific time sleeping. And I tried a bunch of different things and not out of work. And one night I was having tea. And I got some honey from a buddy I was working with. Like some raw honey. Yeah, from the farm. And I put it in. I don't like this is a probably terrible idea. That's like straight sugar in your tea, but yeah, well, whatever. And that night I slept so hard. I woke up. I had gruel all over my pillow.

2:23:38But I didn't add two and two together. So, you know, the next night came around. I'm like, wow, I fell asleep. I'm getting miles to put some more honey in my tea. So, I did again in the second night in a row. Wow. I mean, I grueled all over my... Now, lots of people have tried this in a not work. But this goes to your comment of like everybody is different. So, I don't know what it is about the honey for me specific. So, I was like, what's going on? This is actually working. And so, then I started talking a bunch of old times. I was like, oh, yeah. People all the way back in the day, you said you just had a sleep bait all the time. And then I started talking to them. And people laughed at me. And I was like, well, supposedly, you know, the bees come from your area. There's things in the pollen and stuff from, you know, that are interaxly faulty. Bee farmers are like, oh, yeah, almost had me. And they were laughing at me. They didn't believe what I was saying. I was like, oh, this is from these bee farmers. I thought they would know all this. It was a little bit...oh, I don't know. Maybe I am. But I'm like, wait. It was working.

2:24:38It worked. And it does work. Like, for me, at least, sleep bait. Sleeping raw honey. There we go. And I am like, out like a light. Wonderful. Wonderful. But I... I wonder if it was the plants that those bees were taking the pollen from if they had... I don't know. That it affects because there's a lot of flowers and herbs that are called nerve mines. And they act to like calm your brain and let you get this... And I wonder if that's the case. Because Valerian, for example, Valerian is a very calm and plant. And they have...and the bees love it. And that's the...that was the basis of volume. So, Valerian root is a very common nerve-ine that we use as... Yeah. And so, I wonder if it's because the honey the bees are taking those medicinal properties from the pollen of those plants. And it's getting like a beautiful... Well, this is...this is the first time I've had a conversation where somebody could maybe be like, oh, that's interesting. Because most people are just like, uh-huh. Sure.

2:25:38And I'm like, I don't know. I don't make it up that I drooled on myself two nights a whole week. This is very interesting. I'm going to look into this. I'm going to look into this. Well, I'm glad I brought it up. I tell you what. I want to switch over to the substag for the 10 bonus questions. And then I want to get out of your ambulance house. Because they're probably like, is this going to go for seven hours? And Pats like, this is why we didn't let you record it last night. Because we wouldn't ate till midnight. And he's probably...you're probably very true. Yeah. But regardless, thanks for... A thousand times. Yeah. The next time you do it though, we're going to have you out to the new studio. Okay. And then maybe we'll put together like, uh, I don't know, probably a round table on something. But we can...we can have some fun. I'll do that. Bring some people in and uh, and uh, and have some fun out in the void. But regardless, thanks again for this. If you're enjoying the interview folks, we're switching over to substag. We're going to do 10 quick questions. Okay. And you can find us over there.