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WISC TV news three now in Madison. I don't know if you saw this old boy, but overnight

There was a Madison mom

Who went into labor during the blizzard

Madison fire department medic 11 and engine 11 from the fire department were dispatched to her house

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Paved the way quite literally

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The snow plow driver making a huge difference

Madison fire department expressing his drivers and at some point, I'm sure they're grinding out there right now

I don't know when the snow is going to stop, but

Always appreciate what those cats do, man. It's not easy work and kudos to him

Jason, what

What it what what

What does the last couple of weeks and I know the free agency signing things if kind of ended

What are the last couple of weeks tell you about what goody thinks about this team because I just saw Zaire Franklin

Got more money

I think he's probably going to be around for two years

And they also they're signing old players

I wasn't here when the Hargraves announcement happened

But what does this tell you

About where goody sees this football team

Why is he doing it? Why is he changed his tune if you will?

Okay, well first of all

I think we have to be a little bit careful because there are basically two examples

Which is two more than had previously bet on the other side of the line of demarcation

But to your point this was something

The free agency though that's prioritizing that's prioritizing

This was something that we

Discussed while you were down at the big 10 tournament extensively

a couple things

First of all they have holes that they need to fill

And they wanted to fill them

without breaking the bank to do so

And Hargrave

Feels like a special case both of these guys have history with Jonathan Franklin or Jonathan Franklin

Jonathan Ganon

Zair Franklin

Was with him in Indy

And obviously Hargrave was with him and Philly

So there is some connectivity there so I wonder how much of their

Experience with Jonathan Ganon factors in

to

Them being here

Secondly, I'm not willing to call it a trend yet. I'm willing to call it exceptions

because if we see now in the

inexpensive

Part two of the free agency market that they do more of these

Then I'm willing to discuss the possibility that Goody is

Abandoned his mentality and there's going to be a bunch of 30 somethings on this roster

You're right. These are two outlier players

Benjamin St. Juice

Is 29 I think

Uh another person you can put in this category because I've given him 43 million dollars

Over the 12 months that they've had him

Is Aaron Banks right because you cut him after this year and the dead cap is going to be really pricey

So he's basically here for this year and next year most likely he will be over 30 for next season in 2027

He will turn 29

On September 3rd. So I'm not willing to go so far as to say that Goody has chucked his

mentality when it comes to how he builds a roster, but he's made two exceptions at positions of need

So

You said this last week and I thought it was really good. I thought it should have been sound graphed and clipped

The draft and replace

Thought that was a real because it is not draft and develop if you're only keeping one on average 1.4 guys

From each draft class

so

If the new trend is

We're going to sign one or maybe two guys from draft classes pay them the money that is owed

Which is going to be top of the market more than likely if you end up signing guys

And then the new thing is we're going to

Draft the replacement but allow for some growth

By having veterans that are ready to win now

That seems to be at least for this offseason

And you know how things go if it works you keep doing it if it doesn't you

Reverked and you do something different

That feels like where Goody's head's at

And if he does more like guys he did not was not going to pay

He was well

These are two guys you're bringing in you're not going to have these guys aren't going to be wallflowers

I don't know if they're going to start

Think Franklin will

I would think um hard case probably if he doesn't start it's going to get a lot of work

You're not bringing guys in to be you know bit players these guys are going to be they're counting on cotton being big contributors

To what is a championship team and Goody in the past headtops and would have just

Drafted he would have probably signed quay

But he would have drafted young guys and hoped by november december

You'd coach him up and they'd be ready to go

Goody is now I think after the finish of the last two seasons

I think he is saying we don't have that luxury

We saw it with the kicker a couple years ago

This team is on a trajectory if you want to win you better have guys in the positions that can help you win now

Not this we're going to all grow together

We've grown if you can't catch up you're gone

And we need somebody that could come in and fill the role to fit what we're looking for

That's what it feels like to me with what we saw

Thursday Friday of last week

so

First of all, I think the zaire franklin signing

First of like let's be honest this guy has been a very good player during his career

At the same time

If tyron hopper in the draft and develop and replace philosophy that has been right you got to let young guys play

If I look at that I say

Did they not think tyron hoppers ready to be a starting linebacker

Because he's a feel like it he's a third round pick

And again your expectation with third round picks is that they make up critical pieces of your team

And the fact that you traded

For zaire franklin would imply like they didn't just sign them and added money to the contract right

And added money to the contract. Well, I it sounds like he ends up with the same amount of money

But the way they structure it there's there's

Again, they clearly expect him to be a starter now also we still don't know exactly what their defense is going to look like

They're going to play some four three. They're going to play some three four

Uh, is it edger and cooper and zaire franklin and they're playing the three four. So I's Isaiah McDuffee's the odd man out

I don't know

Isaiah McDuffee when quay walker wouldn't be available Isaiah McDuffee wore the green dot

So is that a factor of who's on the field?

Uh, are they going to use

Edger and Cooper in a way that they have not previously used him

um

Quay walker got the Las Vegas and basically made it sound like he should be

A much more utilized as a everywhere

Play him line him up at the edge

Line him up everywhere kind of a player and he certainly imply that he was not used properly

During his time in green bay

We'll see

Um, I'm not sure the Las Vegas Raiders have a great track record of bringing out the best in players that land there for big money contracts

So we'll see

But again, I'm not I think he has he certainly has done some things that you say

Who are you and what have you done with Brian Gutecansd

At the same time

Those two sides. Why is he doing that Jason? Why it because you're right. Why

Why is he doing what you just said? Why is he going out of character now

So part of it has to be that this is what Jonathan Ganon wants in his defense

You have a new defensive coordinator who wants people that are a little bit different. It would appear again

Not a conversation. I've had with Jonathan Ganon yet

Secondly

You have to do this

When the draft picks that you want to go through growing pains and come out the other side as productive players have yet to do that right

At defensive tackle after trading Colby Wooden

After trading Kenny Clark

What do they have right now? They have Devonte Wyatt who's not really a run stuffing

He's more of a explosive gets to the quarterback interior pass rusher

Not a he's a good not great runstopper. Is that a fair

Characterization of his game. He's had injuries the last couple years that he's dealt with

uh after that it's i mean they were bringing guys in on a weekly basis

Trying to fill that void last year because of the injuries

But they've gotten a zero stack house. They got uh Warren Brinson

They've got Karl Brooks. That's what they have

So they needed somebody hardgrave makes perfect sense

Again his his contract this year so you think this is more

Go ahead two years have what 14 years at 23 million

But again, I think it's it's structured in a way that they're most likely

I mean unless he plays extremely well. It's more of a one-year deal with a second-year tacto

So do you think this is more a

Matter of different scheme or do you think this is more a matter of a different mentality by goody?

Yeah, I'm not i'm not willing to say it's a different mentality of goody yet

I think he's made some exceptions and as you say

If you make too many exceptions and you end up with a team full of exceptions

But if if there are more instances of this if they add more guys that get cut by their previous teams

And become available that don't factor into the

Compensatory pick equation who are in their 30s

Then I am willing to say that this is a trend

I think they have filled two spots on their roster with veteran players who are over 30

But I think if goody drank some truth serum

Or had a few younglings

He would say I don't want to be doing this. I wish we didn't have to do this

I would rather not have to go get zaire franklin and sign jivon

Hargrave I think that's what he makes it way walker

Well that because I don't think he believed quay walker was a good enough player to get the kind of

They did try to sign quay walker. Let's not lose sighted. I heard I heard it reported

That an offer on the table during the season they tried to sign him after the season ended

He wanted more money and he got more money from the raiders

So again to be fair

He pivoted to trading for zaire franklin when it was finally clear to him that look he's not going to take what we're offering

We're moving on

Just like Aaron Aaron Jones is not taking our low ball offer

We're gonna pivot to Josh Jacobs

Goody's good about pivoting

Give him credit for that

But again if if it had if quay walker takes the money that the packers are offering him

They're not trading for zaire franklin

right

I would think not no I would think not so I'm not gonna say this is a trend yet

Yeah, it's just unique and I just wonder how much of not finishing seasons the last two

With young players that didn't develop into what you hoped if the how much of that plays into this or how much of this

Is about Jonathan Ganon needing different body types. I don't know the answer to that

Uh, you talk to people up there. I don't know

What exactly their philosophy is gonna be but I do know they

Couldn't be happy that Ravens game would stick in my craw if I was them

That can't happen

Even though that was an outlier

But it just seems so different and out of character

For how Brian Gouda comes to his built rosters

I don't want to get older

As a if I'm building a football team

I don't think Goody does either if this is the end of it are you doing with it

If this is the end of it

This is the he's adding these two specific 30 something players to fill specific needs and he's not gonna go hog wild on

The will-de-jaw manager approach

I'm fine with it, but what I'm saying is

I think when you believe a certain way and all of a sudden you've been rocked a little bit off of you know

Whatever it might be if young guys haven't developed or however you want to look at what is transpired the last two seasons

I'm guessing this is more a structural

We need different body types, but I don't want to count on 30 and 30 you know 30 and 30 how old is Hargrave's 32 33

33 I just don't want to be in the business of counting on 30 30 and 33 year olds

Of giving me 17 weeks and being a good for the playoffs. It's not an area

You need so if it is more platoon more rotation

I am great with bringing in some veteran players, but that's how I would look at it. I am not

Gudi has never shown an inkling to do that

I appreciate that he is willing to change course

And to do some different things trying to get different results

But it just I find it very unique that the you know and we don't know the offseason just not even a week into this yet

There's still a lot of a lot of holes to fill in this roster

So you do not think he went out and got these two players because he thinks he is a couple of players away from winning the Super Bowl

And he was willing to go against his normal philosophy to get veteran players because they show trying to figure out why he's doing it

I don't have the answer

Like I'd love to be arrogant enough to say I had the answer to this. I find it very

very

Intriguing that he's going against now one is one

Two is two

You start getting into three and four different guys that that tells me you're having a little bit of a philosophical change

Right, I agree. Now you got these guys at good prices

I'm not yelling at you. What are you getting mad at me about?

I'm trying to sort through in my head by asking a 30-year sports writer what he's hearing and seeing

And what I'm trying to find out from you is is Jonathan Ganon want these guys

And is that why they're here?

Or is this Brian Guterkin saying work to immature on defense? We couldn't pull out of it

We couldn't stop the bearer from scoring 25

We need some veteran leadership that can come in and do it

That's the question I'm posing. I don't know the answer

Know why you're yelling at me. It's not very nice

My

Point is is that after two players. I don't see a trend

It's literally what you just said if it starts being three four five players the conversation changes immensely. Yes

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With the whoa hunter coming up shortly um

Touch

When we talk about older players

One of the reasons why goody doesn't want them generally speaking and look he again as we talked about while Touch was at the big 10 tournament

When he was at the scouting combined he

26 to 29 Touch calls them elevator years

It's one that you're going to stay the healthiest goody said and you go play your best football

He put parameters. He said the ages out loud

26 to 29

So line of demarcation my eye. There is a line of demarcation for him. He just told you it's on 26 to 29

What is the danger of a player who's 33 falling off the table suddenly?

Because if anybody has taught us that the league comes at you fast

It's you and whether yours are franklin turning 30 or javon hargrave who is 33

There is that danger is there not

There is but I would say this that if you're

You know a pass rusher, you mean everybody is different. There are special talents that are

You know hall of fame type guys

That it just they don't have that drop off. I'm saying for most

players

You start getting dinged up and once you have one or two things it just becomes so difficult

To rehab try to get stronger faster. It's hard to keep up when you keep having to go backwards

That's the that's what the world that's the race that you're in and

You know if you're a role player and you're expected to you know give a certain amount or if you're

You know the idea of being a note of run stuffer

Those guys aren't that you're not really looking for one down run stuffers

in the NFL anymore

You need to be able to do everything because

You have limited roster spots and you need to be able to contribute in many different ways

Once you start kind of going down that road the reason they don't want 30 year olds is

Your injury risk is higher

Your talent starts dropping and when that when those two things combine

You aren't as dependable and as available as you want to be

and when you don't have those two traits and you're an older veteran player

You're not as useful because you're probably expensive too

And that's the trip that is the trifecta of why I and Goody and I think most people would want to keep it in that

26 to 21 you know 24 to 28 is where you really want to be but when you're starting to look at it that's

That's when you're going to get your best production

That's when you should be making your most money there are

Miles Garrett. I would take in a heartbeat

bring him in

There are guys, but even like a TJ watt

He's getting older

There are guys that you start getting older and yes, there's still great role players

There's still players that can do a ton of great things

But can they still perform at that same level that they did two or three years ago at a contract that is huge

It's getting to be less and less and you're talking about Hall of Fame guys

That are able to kind of hang in there and do it

But it just it gets really difficult for players that get to that point

To be able to count on them for 17 weeks is a big ask

And Goody admitted it after the Aaron Rodgers era ended

That he would prefer to have younger players then he would have preferred young players then too

And that's kind of what he started doing in 2022 when they missed the playoffs in Rodgers final season

When they lost the lines in the regular season finale

He kept bringing back older players because he had a Hall of Fame quarterback

Who was still playing at an extremely high back-to-back MVP MVP number three and MVP number four level

You don't think that he was

Gidey won

2022 ended the way it did he was sure disappointed. I'm sure by that

Season but you don't think he was happy to be able to go build the team the way he wanted to instead of

Having to continue to bring guys back

That were older than he wanted them to be because he wanted to try and run it back with the Hall of Fame quarterback that he had

I'm telling you that's why he said and Taush brings it up all the time

He said it was a good day when they ate 41 million dollars of dead cap on Aaron Rodgers

That's why he felt that way and while it has gotten them the seven seed each of the last three seasons

And gotten them to the divisional round once in the playoffs of those three years

um

I don't think he's changing his stripes. I think these are targeted

Decisions and if he adds three more guys that have surpassed their 30th birthday in the coming weeks

I will revise that position

But I don't think Goody is abandoning his philosophy. I think he's making a skeptic exceptions

Um, by the way, Zaire Franklin's contract according to Spotrack

two years 18.01 million

Uh, he gets a three point seven five million dollar signing bonus

His cap hits are seven point one three million for this year

10.8 million for next year

Again, he was traded from the Colts. He had no guaranteed money

So they give him three point seven five million. He was scheduled to make a six million dollar and change based salary for this year

Uh, I don't think

Um, that they have structured this in a way that guarantees he's back next year

I think they've placated him with some guaranteed money so he knows for sure

He's here this year and then I think Goody's attitude is we'll see how it goes

Because his 10 million dollar cap number for next year is not huge, but it's not

um

big enough to say

Well, he's definitely going to be here or we're definitely going to release him to clear up that cap space

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Time now for

Hunter

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Whoa Nelly on will the endtouch

Well, we started this show talking about the Badger basketball team is again

They are the five seed in the West region we'll be playing high point

In their first round matchup and our teammate Pablo Iglesias was down in Chicago for the big 10 tournament

and

We were talking about some of the confidence in this team and things like that

Nick Boyd talked about bringing some confidence to the team

So I wanted to play that for you guys here to start whoa Nelly

For Nick you were part of a final four run a few years ago that nobody expected your team to make

What kind of wisdom do you think you can

instill in your teammates is you guys start your march around this year

Yeah, just confidence um togetherness and confidence you know that's the most important thing in my my my old team

We just had a certain confidence and swag about us and you know every game is different like you know here like

Um, we only won by a couple points, but tomorrow, you know, it's a it's a different game, and you know

We just got to be ready to compete, you know, and if we compete um, you know, Mars will be special for us

So again guys

I'm feeling really confident about this Badger's team and I'm trying to not let my heart get broken

But this team just feels a little different

Uh

I'll believe it when I see it

Mm-hmm skeptic, huh? We have we've felt good about them previously

They got hosed by the committee last year by the matchup they got stuck with with BYU basically and

BYU's backyard instead of being in Milwaukee

um

They don't have that issue necessarily they're not playing in

Uh, little rock Arkansas

So if they win their first round game, they're playing Arkansas

Uh, in Arkansas's backyard, but they are

um out in Portland

Look, I want to see them get to the sweet 16 and beyond

um

When's the last time they made the sweet 16

It's been a it's been a better minute and so I I want to have that confidence. I'm glad Nick Boyd has confidence

I'm not sure that anyone expected his team was at San Diego State to make the final four when he was there

I think that was a surprise

He was on the FAU team okay, so that was two years ago with Michigan's coach

Right yeah, um, I'll be curious to see

Uh, if this team can get out of the first weekend because that is obviously what we're all waiting for

There's a clip that I hear from Ben brust that gets replayed all the time in a promo

That says if they don't make the sweet 16 none of this really matters

And as much as it pains me to agree with Ben brust

I think he's probably right because we're not gonna

Still got to get to

Here's the deal we've got the best uh back court in the country

I can't say that for sure because I don't watch any other college basketball

But this back court is awesome and they were the best at the big 10 tournament

They'll need to be

This good again

It they're they're gonna have to play like they did and then you get no longer back if he's healthy

There's no reason we shouldn't and wouldn't be

Uh getting to the sweet 16 and i'll be honest if you make the sweet 16

That's great and I think people will be placated a little bit but

You got to make final fours. That's what this is about

That's what this everybody's chasing

Greg guard has done a fantastic job, but yeah, Ben's right

You don't get credit for what you're doing the regular season of college at basketball. You just don't

As much as much as you enjoyed your time at the big 10 tournament

No one will be talking about man

What a great big 10 tournament they had if they were to lose to Arkansas in the second round

No one's talking about it

You're right

You're right

Speaking of the NCAA tournament and filling out your brackets

I a lot of times get sucked into the rabbit hole of the crazy stats that come out about like the history of the tournament

With like the Ken Palm rating and where teams fall offensively and defensively and one that I just saw

Is that no one since 1997 when Arizona won the title has been

West of Dallas and won a national title does anything like that factor in when you guys fill out your brackets

What no

Yeah, Baylor is the not for this west team since 98 to win a national title

No, that doesn't factor into my brackets at all

Of course, I don't know nearly as much about college basketball as I once did when I paid closer attention

When I'd be writing my stories

So I I don't I don't feel super confident in my bracket at all

Whoa, how many brackets do you fill out?

one

The practical integrity

Good

I can't stand it when I hear people talking about like well in this bracket

I have this team going and then in this one and then they're like cheering about one

But then they have the team getting upset in a different one. I hate those people

They're the absolute worst this time of year

Well, no because they sit there and they talk about it and then they act like oh of the 50 brackets

I filled out and the 50 different scenarios I had this one won my pool

So I clearly know exactly what's going on and I can talk about it in a way that I actually know what's happening

How many people do you do people just start talking about your bracket you just turn and walk away from them?

Um, I'm get I'm kind of that way when people talk about their fantasy football team

So I think I might need to do just start doing that like I don't I don't need to hear it

You don't have that many friends that are filling out 50 brackets come on

Are you saying I don't have friends or just that that many people don't do that?

Well nobody's nobody's filling out 50 of five

I know I was exaggerating but there are multiple people I know and there are people in this office

That will fill out multiple different brackets

One brackets enough

That's it for Wollhunter will wrap things up next. It's well the intent

Badgers, you know anything you have in the Mars because we are on waste content sports

That's what Mars is about which team has the most confidence most of the egg goes out there and does what they do

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Looks like we're going to get to

Rich rich rich rich eyes and on time today

But before we do how do we manage to go through the whole show what is high point university

And how long has it been around

I think it's a wide receiver a lot of wide receivers

If come on and go nice well played yes

um

I was I saw the bracket and they made the tournament last year

I remember seeing them on my bracket right hunter

That sounds right. Yeah

I was unfamiliar with them. They have apparently been around. Yeah, I don't know but it sounds right

I mean, I don't read I think they've made it a couple of times as like a 16 seed or something like that in the past

They're playing really well though 14 straight wins. Hunter, I'm just going to say this. Thank you for coming in today

We went to had a show without hunter today, so kudos

We're going to give a high point of the day to hunter today kudos to hunter. Well, thank you

Thank you for your service hunter. I think we're done here

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