1405: Quitting A 6-Figure Tech Job Looks Crazy On Paper, But Here’s Why He Did It w/ Isaiah Centifanto

Hey, what is up? Welcome to this episode of The Entrepreneur to Entrepreneur podcast. As always,

I'm your host, Brian Lofermento, and I'm so excited about today's episode and conversation

and fellow entrepreneur and an incredible guest because this is someone that I'm convinced he is

the perfect example of an entrepreneur who just does things that helps other people, does things

that make him happy and tickle his curiosities and his interests and does it all while also

living a life that he really enjoys. I think he's such a shining example in so many ways.

So let me introduce you to today's guest. His name is Isaiah Santafanto. Isaiah comes from a small

town in Montana. He went from being a small town kid to a veteran to a cloud architect to now

founder an entrepreneur. He is the founder of a technology solutions company, specifically tailored

to help small, medium-sized businesses modernize and secure all aspects of their business and operations

and on top of that, he is in the beta launch release window of a SaaS app specifically for freelancers

and SMBs to manage clients, projects, time logging and invoices and on top of that, he runs a small

coffee rosary on the side with one of his sons. He is a husband, he's a dad to four kids, he is

living his best Montana life. He's a, I believe, fifth generation Montana and such a cool backstory.

So lots of great things that this guy's up to. I know he's going to change our perspective on a

lot of things, so let's dive straight into my interview with Isaiah Santafanto.

Isaiah, I am so very excited that you're here with us today. First and first, welcome to the show.

Man, I'm super excited to be talking to you, appreciate it. Heck yeah, we appreciate you being here

and there's a lot of fun stuff we're going to talk about, but first I'm going to put the spotlight

on you. Take us beyond the bio. Who's Isaiah? How'd you start doing all these cool things?

Just curious, yeah. I had the calculator watch when I was young, you know, always interested in

technology, all the old games. Oregon Trail, all of that started building computers and did a

couple different things through my life and my main, my main thing that drives me to do everything

is my own family. My wife and four kids, I pretty much focus all my energy and time and motivation.

So yeah, that's kind of, I love coffee, good whiskey, campfire, good conversation and technology,

of course. I love that. Isaiah, that's just essentially the good life, isn't it? I think that we

all join you there. I'm so thankful. Every day, I'm very thankful. Sometimes I'm not as thankful

as I should be, but I'm blessed. My kids are healthy. My wife has been married, me and my wife

have been married for 19 years, so yeah. Heck yeah, I love that. You know what? I really appreciate

as a millennial, I love the fact that you went straight to childhood and brought up Oregon Trail.

I feel like all of us played that. The good old days of just 2D graphics, of pixel art all the way

back then. Isaiah, you brought that up for a reason though. And I think we as entrepreneurs, we need

to lean more into where all of these seeds were planted because that goes way back in time for us.

Talk to us about that because obviously it is that love for tech for computers that has really

led to so much of what you do today. I agree. Yeah, a lot of people, they see dollar signs with tech

and they jump into it for that reason and I think you'll eventually die out if you're not actually

passionate or curious or motivated personally. So excuse me, I totally agree with that. Another

part of this too is you have to start with the basics and a lot of people just want to jump in.

They want to be a coder in release apps and make a bunch of money and do the next startup.

If you don't know the basics, you're going to have a hard time, especially with customer service.

That sounds really crazy, but I started in tech in I think 08 doing customer support, internet

customer support for Breznan, which is now spectrum. And half an a deal with technically

challenged people over the phone for an hour will really test your patience. And if you're not

motivated and personally interested in tech, you're probably going to burn out. So I don't know if

they answered your question, but that's my thought. Well, yeah, and I think that there's so many

launch points from there because I say, you're bringing in. When I hear you say the foundation,

the fundamentals, when I hear you talk about customer service, it's kind of far removed from

where a lot of the mainstream conversation is going today, which is AI, which is vibe coding,

which is anyone can create anything. What's your tip on where we're in that world? I have some

thoughts about that later on if you want to talk about it. I wrote some stuff down. Isaiah, I want

all of those. Well, you guidance. So yeah, I think it's it's so fascinating. Lay us into that

because a lot of people, it seems to me like they're skipping steps these days as they'll go straight

to vibe coding. Loveable, for example, I do love loveable. Isaiah, it's so much fun to just play

and tinker and build some things, but go deeper there with us. Absolutely. I mean, you're describing

a concept that I've been thinking about for a while, but tech has really been democratized,

which to me is in that positive. More people, understanding tech, more people building things,

interacting with technology, understanding how things are working, how things are breaking.

That's all in that positive. The struggle though, at least for me, is someone who's been in tech,

and I've built stuff for Fortune 500 companies and worked in large consulting firms,

FinTech, hedge funds, all that. There is a lot of things that AI is telling people they can do,

but there's no checks on it. So let's say you're using Loveable to build a website that's,

you know, dog pictures, you know, something benign is simple. If there's some sort of an account

attached to that, you're going to have a database. You're going to have some sort of authentication

mechanism, and AI will build it for you, but it's not going to show you exactly the security

and scalability and cost implications by doing that. And that actually kind of relates to another

thing I've really been thinking about heavily, especially as I started and Tiger Toss my company,

that because of this paradigm shift, there is more and more small business owners,

medium-sized business owners, even just people doing side gigs, who are trying to do things themselves

because a lot of the larger tech companies and I've worked for them, they have a sales team,

a C-suite, an engineering team, a project management team, and they want to sell all these small companies

or medium-sized companies, large retainers and, you know, sales contracts and all this stuff,

services, software, because they have to support this behemoth and they have all of these things they

throw and business owners today are worn out, and I think AI is really enabled a lot of them to

solve their own problems, but in doing so, I think that they possibly are opening themselves up

to security and cost problems later. Yeah, which of course is that never ending game of whack them all,

which I feel like is prevalent in so many different facets of our businesses, but the fact that you

brought that up, Isaiah, obviously I love how much thought you put into this because obviously,

it was the spark for you to say, I want to be part of the solution, I want to serve small and

medium-sized businesses, introduce us to your company, introduce us to what that decision point

looked like and how the evolution of your company has came about. You know, it actually happened

by accident. I've been working in big tech for about 10 years and I had an old client right out of

college. So, long story short, I bounced around, didn't know what I was doing, did coffee

roasting, did a bunch of things, 2008 crashed, had no money, unemployed so I joined the Air Force,

did a bunch of government contracts and things like that, got out and I tried doing healthcare,

I was going to be a surgical tech and I tried all these, you know, I was repairing espresso machines

and working at the loop shop and, you know, I tried everything and I, at one point, just realized

I enjoy technology so I got my networking degree and right out of that, I knew a small business

that needed help and I became there crazy enough right out of college with no prior tech experience

on paper, their head of IT and the network engineer, did that for two years, moved on and then

by accident, they had an email outage which actually wasn't that big of a deal, it was a simple fix

on my end but it resulted in them saying, hey, would you work on the side for us so I did some small

things and then I eventually realized they have so many things that they could optimize technology

wise, there's security stuff that I saw and, you know, I was like, man, this is something I've

always wanted to do and ask them if they would take me on on the side and that kind of started

the whole process but in doing so I started kind of recollecting on my experience in big tech

maybe not big tech but bigger companies and realizing that there is a host of industry and host

of businesses that are underrepresented in terms of tech expertise and that was a large motivation

realizing I could actually help them and because of my, I mean, as a cloud architect, you're designing

large, large, heavily scaled infrastructure, all of that expertise, I'm not going to really sell

to a SMB but that expertise gives me the ability to show them things that they might not hear from

just some small IT shop that wants to sell them Windows support so I think that there is a paradigm

shift along with how fast technology is moving with AI and it just felt like the right move, the

right time and pretty excited. Yeah, I love that especially because I say truth be told I'm clearly

an eternal optimist and when I'm on the AI talk so much about the very exciting future that I'm

certain that AI is bringing, I find it fascinating in the mainstream conversation we hear a lot of

fear in that domain. We hear a lot of people saying it's going to replace humans and the thing that

I've been saying so many times even here you and I are having this conversation early on in 2026

is we've been hiring more than ever before. AI is unlocking our capabilities and meaning that we

need even more hands in order to make things happen. You're in the tech space and you've been in the

big tech space, the small tech space, you've seen all different facets of this. You obviously think

about this stuff a lot. What's your take on that? I'll call it mass hysteria but I think that there's

kind of the debate going on. What's your take on where we are in the future of what tech jobs look like?

Well, I'll give you an example. As a cloud architect you're writing a lot of code,

primarily infrastructure code. It's a, the big one is terraform. So you're automating cloud

infrastructure. That type of job I believe is going to be reduced by quite a bit. However,

what it doesn't mean is we don't need humans guiding it and I think that you can tell AI to build

something but if you don't have background and expertise in cloud infrastructure security databases,

traffic flows, front and application sessions, all of this, all the big buzzwords. If you don't have

any person in your company or whoever's guiding AI to do these jobs, it's going to build it. But like

I said earlier, I think you're going to shoot yourselves in the foot. So I think that it's kind of a

cliche thing but it's a balance to everything in life. And AI is going to change the way people

build things but I don't think it removes humans. I think people just have to adapt. It's kind of the

it's the classic paradigm and in tech that if you don't innovate, if you don't, if you're not

flexible, if you don't learn, you're going to be left behind and you have old school developers

that are stuck in the past or you have people that are on the front lines who have expertise but

they're not willing to learn something new. I think those people are going to have a harder time

in the future. But if you're willing to learn and RTFM read the docs, if you're willing to jump in

and teach yourself something, I think the future is bright. AI is just going to accentuate and

accelerate and all the all the nice words, optimistic words is going to be good.

Isaiah, I'm going to use you as such a shining example in this part of the conversation because

you brought up two things that I feel it's very worthwhile for us to go deeper into in front of

a worldwide audience of entrepreneurs. You brought up balance and you brought up learning new

things. And that's something that struck our post-production team or our pre-production team.

The second we reached out to invite you on to the show is we so appreciate that you're not a

one trick pony. You're not just someone that has a technology solutions company. You also have

even on the business front, you've got your small coffee roastery. But even on the personal front,

you like fly fishing, you like so many different things that you get into. It's very clear to me

that you lean into curiosity, that you lean into learning new things. I find a lot of founders

obsessed, which that's a good trait about a lot of us as founders as we do obsess about things,

but all too often we obsess about the work. We obsess about the tech. We obsess about the

possibilities of AI. What's your take on that well-balanced approach that you seem to have to

both business and life? Because I think there's lessons within there.

That is interesting to ponder. I'm a sometimes I can think I can overanalyze over think, but

top level for me, if it kind of goes back to the original part of our conversation when we first

started, excuse me, that if you're not motivated to be interested, or if you don't have an actual

personal motivation and you don't have a personal interest in something, you're not going to be able

to work the hours to understand something. When you are grinding, you're going to get burned out.

And so really a lot of technology comes down to, are you interested in this? If you are,

can you use it? Is that interest actually going to make your life better? Is it going to help you?

If you can answer yes to those, then being able to have a balanced life will not be hard

because you are not working because you hate or you're just, I have to get a paycheck.

You're actually interested in the technology and see how it can help you. And so I think that's

the key to finding something that you enjoy and having a balance with it. And I don't have a

perfect balance. You know, we all struggle with that. But yeah, if you're not personally motivated,

you're not going to enjoy what you're doing and you're going to hate it and you're going to have

to be stuck in some job where you're just grinding. And there is a season in life for that. I've

done a lot of that unfortunately, but at the end of the day, finding motivations for why you're

doing it. And then like you were mentioning, fly fishing, coffee roasting, I like working on

our property. I like working on cars, finding things that bring you joy outside of that because

at the end of the day, what you do to make money is not always what you should be doing to take a

break. And yeah, I kind of rambled there, but it's kind of a convoluted thought process that I'd

need to think longer about. No, I appreciate it as I trust me. Listeners are very used to my

rambling and my many tangents during every episode. But I want to go here with you because it's a

conversation that I think founders, we should have more publicly. And I'm super appreciative of you

sharing your thoughts so transparently here. But when I hear you talk about this well balance,

and when I think about my journey as a founder, what I frequently come back to is the fact that if

if I really like, let's say computer programming, which is not true, let's say I really like

computer programming. If I get a computer programming job, I get to be the practitioner. I get to

do that thing every day. But as a business owner, I don't just get to be a practitioner anymore.

I have to wear all these other hats. I have to make all these decisions. It comes with a heavy

dose of risks and failures and rejection. Isaiah, to me, I love the fact that you've also equally

leaned into that side of things is you obviously had a very successful career in the things that you

like and the skills that you have. But even as a business owner, you can't get enough of it because

you're running multiple fronts right now. So talk to us about that because it is those different

hats that you're now wearing as well. Totally agree. Yep. There is definitely going to be,

and I'm learning this. I've only been doing this for a short time, my own thing. But

if you don't have a why, I mean, the why for me is that I recognize that small and medium-sized

businesses are underrepresented and they don't have tech expertise. They don't, if they do,

maybe they need a trusted advisor to help them. And that motivation is what keeps driving. Even in

the moments where you're having to deal with taxes or you're having to deal with, you know,

budgeting or whatever, all the business operations stuff, if you actually know why you're doing it,

that's what keeps driving you. And that's what keeps driving me. I mean, that's why I have so

many different things I'm interested in. I actually use a word auto-diadak polymath, which is

kind of like self-taught, multi-interested person. I hand solder my own keyboards. I like split

keyboards. I like coffee roasting. I like cigars. I like going fly fishing. You know, all these

different interests, you teach yourself these things because you're driven to not because someone's

telling you. And I think at the end of the day, if you don't have that, it being a founder and entrepreneur,

you're going to burn out. And it's not going to, you're not going to have that drive to keep

going. And you're going to stay, you know, every founders have this. You're laying in bed at night

thinking about money and how do I make something happen. And if you don't have that deep conviction

of why you're doing it, it's not going to last. That's my opinion. Yeah, for sure. I really appreciate

those insights and you sharing those thoughts with us and in that domain. I also think about all the

listeners who maybe they'll hear your expertise and think to themselves, gosh, clearly Isaiah has a

lot of expertise in this arena. I don't even know what I don't know in my business. I don't even

know what someone like him would look at in my business. And then they'll hear, you know, helping to

modernize and secure all aspects of their business and operations. Isaiah, a lot of people haven't

had the chance to sit down with someone like you. When you look at a business, what are the different

ingredients, the different pillars? What are those things that you're looking for in order to help

them function more seamlessly? Yeah, that's definitely related to something I was

mentioning about the larger tech companies trying to come in and sell larger. And I'm not really

slamming on my understand, you know, larger companies need to support a bigger team. But

being able to walk into an environment and see in terms of optimization and cost, I think those

are the biggest things efficiency for a founder or a small business. They want, they don't want to

spend a bunch of money on something just because they can. They have to know, they want to know why,

how does this help my business? And so being able to look at, operationally, what's going on with

technology, let's say you have a CRM custom relation management software. And you need to somehow,

you're not integrating that with some sort of project management tooling. So you don't have any

communication between, you know, inbound leads and sales and you don't have any integration between

that and your project management or, you know, you can make up a million examples.

Those are the optimizations or the efficiency improvements with technology that I look at because

those are the low-hanging fruit to show that a show a business owner, hey, you can tackle this one

thing. It's going to drastically improve your operations, your efficiency and security as well.

We tackle that. We see how it goes. We optimize. And then as time and money allows, you can

further optimize. So I don't, I don't like walking in and trying to tell anyone, this is all wrong.

We, I need to sell you on this thing. You should buy this piece of software and all of a sudden they

have a $20,000 bill and they don't know why. It's really giving to business owners and understanding

why they should do it or why their operations or efficiency or security is lacking. And when

I think a business owner has that knowledge and understanding, they're the ones that are driving

the technology change because they now understand. They're not just being told by, they're not

just being told something. They've been given knowledge and then they see the opportunities. And

at that point, my expertise or anyone's expertise, if they're being honest and they want to actually

help say, hey, you do not need to buy that big piece of software. That's overkill. We can do

this simple thing. And I have examples I could share, but that's kind of top level is how I think

about it. It's not a targeted let's, let's go in and sell you something. Let's look at big picture.

How we make your business operate more efficiently, more securely and use a modern technology.

Yeah, and I would imagine that even the, the mere act of intentionally looking at our own

businesses and taking inventory and asking these questions, I feel like that probably reveals

a lot of things. We all have Frankenstein tech stacks for its reasons. So it's really cool. And

I imagine it's fun for you and your clients to go through that exercise. It's very fulfilling

for both parties. I, I love salt. You know, a lot of, I think I mentioned this in my email to you,

a lot of problems come from communication. And I think everyone knows this, but communicating

whether it's human to human or human to trusted advisor, human business owner to tech person or

even communication between technologies, it all comes down to broken, broken communication.

And so if you can look at how to fix communication, at that point, then you're actually able to

think about how to improve things in a way that doesn't waste time. If you're, if you're talking

on two different playing fields or systems are not talking, then there is no, there is no actual

solution to be had. It's you're kind of wasting time and money. Yeah, so true. Speaking of time

and money, I say I've got one complaint and that is I have never found anything that makes me want

to successfully time track. I have not ever had a good time when it comes to time tracking. So I

love the fact that you are on the precipice of launching your SaaS app. Talk to us about where

that idea is born from, why build all of that out and bring it to market. I certainly feel those

pain so I can see a clear why, but I want to get the back story about that SaaS app. Yeah, that's

that's a great segue. I mean, it really relates to what we're talking about. I realized the same

thing that you did, you have, you have apps out there that will track time, but they don't,

they don't they don't integrate with other other tooling. So let's say you have a project that

you're trying to do. How do I track time on the task that's related to that project? Also, I have

a CRM. Where is my client set? How do I attach my projects to my clients? And it just dawned on me.

There are options out there, but they end up being either a very expensive, especially for SMB,

it's overkill. Or if they, they do seem to be cost effective, they're all kind of

disjointed in their integration. They don't truly track well or integrate well. And I thought, okay,

I just need to build something for myself. I'm tired of using these tools, paying money for

things that aren't actually doing everything I need. So I started building it using it and I

realized, wait a minute, I think other people might be able to use this. So that's really the

genesis behind it. It started as like a passion project just for myself because I couldn't find

a piece of software that did what I wanted. Well, for the cost, for a price that I wanted. So I love

that. I absolutely join you there. Thank you for being part of the solution. Gosh, I've even

like signed out for done free trials, ended up paying for so many different ones to find the solution,

but you're right. Disjointed is the perfect word to describe. And there's another element. A lot

of people we talked about AI in the beginning, lovable. You can build all of these things

yourselves. The problem is at the end of the day, actually, I started off using a bolt, I believe,

just to I was doing a MVP. Do you know what that is? Like minimum viable product. Yeah, of course.

Just to see if my idea was going to work. And it did. But when I started looking at the code and

what it was doing, it was making direct database calls, which was fine for when you're building,

but for scalability, efficiency, and most importantly security, if you have a database that

a client, whether it's a laptop, a phone, whatever is talking directly to the database,

at the minimum, your cost is a problem because you have no way to rate limit and more importantly

security. You have direct access to a database. And if you don't have proper row level security

on the database, then anyone can query anyone's data. And so it made me realize a lot of people

are probably trying to build things like this. But in some ways, I want to be a part of a solution.

In fact, I want to start making some videos of educational concepts regarding building with AI,

coming from my architect background and cloud infrastructure that you really have to understand

the fundamentals of what it's trying to do. So of course, I have I just actually finished the

refactor and ripped out all of the old database calls directly. And now it's running through a

middleware, which is basically a, it's called server list in some ways. I'm not sure if your

listeners will understand that, but it runs small little functions of code and doesn't cost very

much. I have that all running through a middleware that does rate limiting, caches things, so

performance, security is all improved. So I think there is an element going back again, like I said,

to the beginning of our conversation that AI can build these things, but security and optimization

performance are not always done correctly from the first time. So that is a concern of mine in

this modern age, kind of looping back that a lot of people are using AI to build, build these tooling

and like, oh, great, it works. But then you try to put that into the public and then you have

crazy bills and you have security holes and people's data is exposed. So yeah.

Yeah, Isaiah, I love hearing that. I'm going to call out, yes, please do start recording educational

content. I'm very much going to use that as a segue because as someone who's been on the air

for 1400 plus episodes, Isaiah, you're the first guest. And in more than 1400 episodes that I've

seen this pop up in your bio that you and I share in common, which is a love for men in the arena

by Teddy Roosevelt because I am so frequently reminded of that poem by Teddy Roosevelt because

as a creator, as someone who puts myself out there every single day of the week, the amount of

times that I get mostly unsolicited advice of people saying, oh, you could do this better. You

should be doing this. And I'm just like, show me your podcast, show me what you're putting into the

world. Talk to listeners about that because clearly you and I geek out about men in the arena.

I want to hear why it resonates so deeply for you and what it is that it reminds you of.

I'm a very passionate, heavy thinker. So I have to pause for a second because we can talk about tech

and I can rattle off and bore people. But when we start talking about philosophy and reasons for

doing things in life, it gets a little more emotional because I still do, but I've lived in fear

a lot of my life. And I think most people do if they're being honest. So I have a bigger

focus. Helping small businesses with tech and changing the world with communication and AI,

all passionate, passionate or things I'm passionate about. But nothing beats talking to someone

around a fire about heavier topics and putting themselves out there, moving past fear and

that that poem perfectly encapsulates why I did what I did. What I quit a six figure job

right after getting promoted, a lot of people don't do that. It wasn't a

it wasn't a smart thing on paper to do, but moving past fear. I think in some ways I've

wanted to do this for so long. I want to talk directly to people and help them. Much past just the

tech. I want to know them personally and talk about things that actually matter in life and

know they're why, you know, why are they doing something? How can I help them? Have a actual

relationship as I help them with tech? That's something I'm passionate about. And so for a long time,

I believe I felt that deep down, but I was too afraid to take the plunge. And I think a lot of

people are. I'm not I'm not a unique person here in this fact, but that poem, man in the arena,

if you go read it, I won't be able to read it right now because I will start crying. It's that good,

it means that much to me, but yeah, cold in timid hands that know neither victory nor defeat

that ending line. The whole thing is good, but I started I took a I quit a job, took a deep plunge,

have a wife and four kids and a mortgage riding on my shoulders on paper. It's a stupid thing,

but life's too short. So I don't know. I'm kind of rambling. Sorry. Oh, Isaiah, that's that's my

goose bumps moment, man. I am there with you in every single feel that you and I clearly turn to

and I'll be honest and transparent. For me, I turn to that poem quite frequently in the tough

moments because as entrepreneurs, I mean, I use the example of being a podcaster putting myself

out there. Gosh, we expose ourselves oftentimes, I think to myself, it would probably be way easier

to have a job, but I do this because there's something far greater inside of me,

oh, light that's burning than I just can't ignore. So appreciate how similar we are in that regard.

I don't know how you're going to answer this last question, though, because it's a super broad one.

You can take it in any direction you want. It's the one question I ask in every episode. And that is,

what's your best piece of advice for listeners knowing that we're being listened to by both

entrepreneurs and those entrepreneurs out there and knowing that you are one of us,

your fellow entrepreneur. What's that one thing you want to leave them with today?

Straight from the poem. It's not the critic who counts. Yes, such an important reminder every

single day. And Isaiah, I love the fact that we can always come back to that. So huge kudos to you

in the way you operate the life that you've built, the business that you've built, and that you're

continuing to build. I love how much you push the envelope and in service of so many other businesses,

you absolutely embrace. It's one of our founding principles behind this show is that

a rising tide lifts all boats. So it's been a real joy having you on here. I'm excited for listeners

to find all the cool stuff that you're up to. So drop some links on us, Isaiah, where should listeners

go from here? I did want to say one more thing if that's okay. Oh heck yeah, we're going to take

all the Isaiah goodness today. Okay. Another poem that's worth your time is if by Rudyard Kipling.

So I don't know if you've if you've heard that one, but it's fantastic. It talks about it's very

similar concepts. And I have an actual note in my notes application. It's called mindset. And I

it's pinned and I return to it. And it has both those poems. It has different collections of

quotes and links to things. Excuse me. And so I'd encourage users to build their own

label at whatever you want. I call mine mindset, but create your own note.

Collect and trim. Don't put everything in there. Find the things that

in your dark moments you've read. And it it pushes you. It picks you up.

Build a note. Return to it. Remind yourself of it. And if you can find someone, I have my wife

who's wonderful to be there to remind you of these things too. So it's not it's not just

pulling yourself up by your bootstrap. Sometimes you need to be inspired emotionally philosophically,

mentally, all the things you need to have something in place to remind you of things that actually

matter. Boom. Yeah. So I'll tell you what listeners. Not only are we dropping all of Isaiah's links

down below in the show notes, but we're also going to drop a link to man in the arena that poem

that clearly resonates with both Isaiah and I. We're also going to link Isaiah. I love that. You

make me want to get like a cool printout and keep it in my wallet, even of the poem. If so,

listeners, you're going to find lots of helpful links, including a link to integritascs.com,

which is where you can find Isaiah's work. Also, that sass app we talked about in Isaiah's

been teasing. He already has a link for that. So you can click right on through from the show notes

no matter where it is that you're tuning in. Otherwise, Isaiah on behalf of myself and all the listeners

worldwide, thanks so much for coming on the show today. This was an awesome conversation.

I'd love to keep talking sometime in the future. Hey, it's Brian here and thanks for tuning in

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