156 – Mayhem by Design with Richard Greaser

0:00The signal is here. This is bloodshed radio. Welcome gentle pioneers to the lightning-laced airwaves. Today is Friday the 20th of March and it is 302 PM on the east coast of the United States at the time of recording. We have a fun one ahead of you today. Richard Greaser of the bitcoin bugle returns to the show. He is the twisted mind behind Maxi Madness. A tournament I was unceremoniously dumped out of earlier today.

1:04Dark forces at play no doubt and I will be demanding answers shortly. If you are hearing my voice right now on Spotify or Apple, thank you for listening but also welcome to the legacy feed. It's a reliable signal but it's read only. Over here on Fountain and Noster the frequency is open. This is a value for value broadcast. There are no corporate scripts and no algorithmic nudges here because the producers of the show that's you feel the engine. If you want to move from passive listener to active participant come join the signal on the VV side. Now for our sermon today the price of a voice. Every poll you've ever taken was free and because it is free it was worthless.

2:08A Twitter poll costs nothing to rig. Create 10 accounts, click 10 times, walk away. The result is noise dressed up as signal. We've been conditioned to treat polling as democratic scripture where in reality is the cheapest possible performance of consensus. Zap polling just changed the equation. Zap polls attach a real irreversible economic cost to every vote. You're sad to leave your wallet and they do not come back when or lose. You're making a sacrifice and sacrifice as a signal is almost impossible to fake. But here's where it gets interesting. The default range at least in primal which is the with the latest release of primal 3.0 they introduced Zap polls. The default range when you create a poll is 21 sets to 21,000 sets. That is a thousand to one band.

3:15One maximum zap equals 1,000 minimum zaps. Your voice is proportional to what you're willing to burn. And that immediately raises an uncomfortable question. If economic weight determines the outcome is that fair? And the honest answer is it depends on what you mean by fair. The Fiat model privileges infinite duplication because duplication and replication is free. This model privileges intensity of conviction. And neither of those two are necessarily pure but only one of them has a cost and makes gaming prohibitively expensive. Which brings me to Bugle's March Maxi Madness tournament. 64 names, 32 head to head Zap polls, single elimination. And the game theory shifts from interesting to genuinely novel. First the timing problem.

4:19If you can see the running totals which you can once you vote that is early zapping reveals your position and gives the opposition a target. Late zapping lets you calculate the exact cost of victory and strike with precision. And we're already seeing this. I mean, I was a victim of this for having sick earlier today. Polls flipping in the final moment because a single large zap lands at the buzzer. It's eBay sniping but with stats. And second, the resource problem. A single poll is an isolated skirmish. A six round bracket is a war of attrition. If you wail zap your champion through round one, you might have burned ammunition you need in the semi-finals. So do you go heavy early and hope the later rounds take care of themselves or do you conserve and risk an upset before you even get there?

5:19And third, the coalition problem. A popular figure with a thousand casual supporters at 21 sets each can be obliterated by a lesser-known name back by one or two whales at 21,000. Wide but shallow loses to narrow but deep. This forces communities to coordinate to pool resources to think strategically rather than impulsively. That in itself is a new social dynamic. What we're witnessing is the emergence of a genuinely new economic primitive. You can call it competitive proof of conviction. Every move is transparent. Every cost is permanent. And the man who architected this whole twisted experiment is laughing all the way to the bank because every single zap flows directly to him. Mr. Richard Rieser. Welcome back to PLEP Chain Radio.

6:21It's me here. So Richard, happy and a profitable couple of days for you and the team of the Bugle. It's kind of weird to earn some money, you know, for the first time in like the years that we've done that. Like, I don't know. We don't spend a whole lot of times trying to calculate our production costs versus our income, but definitely not have made a ton just enough to afford some cigarettes, you know what I mean? Yeah, right. It's got his lightning wall up to the account. So he's pretty happy. He told me he had to mute his wallet because every single zap sent him a notification. And I think about halfway through the day yesterday, I think there were 700 apps. These polls.

7:29Yeah, I was a glanced at the first round, which is 32 of these polls, right? 32 of two head to heads or head to heads or 64 people. There seemed to be an average. Actually, it was hard to tell the average is well looking at it, but if I had to guess it's something like 80 to 90 votes, a purple. So that's what we're talking about eight eight. Let's just call it a hundred to speak around number times 32. So you had 3,200 zaps at a minimum of 21 sets each. Many of them in the hundreds and a handful. I did see in at the max range of 21,000. So we're talking half a million sets in that ballpark. Are we not? Probably. Yeah. It was like half way through the day. It was like a quarter million. So I think yeah, probably close to half a million.

8:31Yeah. Did you actually when you obviously this is a bit of a race to the finish line because primal I mean, Maxi madness started two days after primal three point to a rolled out. Now, Amethyst does support zapos and has for a long time. There are a couple of other clients that support polls. And I believe the very first one that implemented the polling that was polar armor dot fun. Maybe I'm wrong here, but that was a while back. I think that was the guy came up with the polling, but that's not zappalling. Jumpal does. Jumpal with a few other support regular polling, but I think at this point is just Amethyst and primal that supports appalling. Is that right? I'm not sure, but yeah, I think so. Whatever. But I'm not very familiar with all the different clients. I was using Amethyst for a while way back in the day.

9:33Not primal for a while. I just want my due dad to work. And if whoever's running the due dad glazes me a little bit, that's all user due dad. That's all I need. He says upstream got me that way. Got me that way. Yeah, it was pretty impressive. We were testing it out. We didn't do a ton of testing because we were so scattered, rained and busy last week over talking with the primal team. And it seems like it's been a flawless delivery so far. I'm impressed with the experience. My only complaint is the web app doesn't really work. But the mobile app seems to be working fairly decent, better than usual. I'm very happy. Yeah, no, it's been primal 3.0 has been a very smooth experience. I know there was some issue with spark on the spark side was some just today, I think, and today is March 20th Friday.

10:44But some people said there upgraded primal spark wallet balances disappear and I believe it was something on the spark side. But it came back. So all's well, it seems. But yeah, it's been a largely smooth rollout. But but I guess what I was getting at is, you know, your maximum madness started two days after zappalling came out. No one's really experienced zappalling. And I think a lot of people are learning the game theory and economic these new economic primitives on the fly as you're playing around with these polls. Did you guys have a chance to think through what this might look like? Obviously the Twitter polls, we don't have to talk about them. I mean, I'm easy to rig and not at least for me, not a particular interest. But this is a whole different dynamic. Did you and Rod have a chance to like, maybe work through some of these permutations and combinations?

11:46We had a little bit of discussion. Not a talk. You know, one of the problems with max madness is there's no way to predict what's going to happen. The way that the people show up behave is incredibly unpredictable. You know, there was some discussion that we had. Like I wanted it to be as close to like a true democratic process as possible, which is why we did the range allowing for people to. Like a larger you said way, but you know, it's only 21,000 sats on the higher end to buy the election. I think that's much more accurate to way democracies work. So that's been cool. You know, one of the features, like you mentioned, that makes it really difficult to gain it effectively.

12:49Which makes it interesting, in my opinion, where you have these unpredictable last minute changes in momentum is that you cannot see what the voting looks like until you actually vote. You don't see the score. That would make it a lot easier to just get the election and rig it that way. I mean, I guess you can mitigate that by having one account that votes and then you can see it and then coming in with another account. But there's a lot of crazy game theory at play here. Like you said, it is something, you know, somewhat novel. I think my, my first experience ever with zapp polling or something similar to it was, you know, guys want, I don't know if he still has this on his website, but years ago, guys want

13:56to put rank articles that you wanted him to read next and you could zap it to boost the article and the rankings. I thought that was super cool. And I've always thought, like, I wanted to do stuff like this where I have a website where I have all the various projects that I want to do and, you know, set thresholds for how much funding I want to get in order for me to actually do the project and then I have things ranked that way. And, you know, if people wanted to fund it. But yeah, I think there's so many possibilities with these types of fully mechanisms. I'm very cool. The most novel and interesting thing that Noster provides in my opinion from a, you know, credential journalist, a content creator is how easy it is to

15:05get monetized, you know, from your audience directly using Bitcoin. It's just, it is very simple. It's very easy. That bind with the discoverability of like a social media type ecosystem. It's a, it's a rod's been calling it an anti social media ecosystem, which I think is, you know, a fun way to describe it. But, you know, we had no idea how this is going to play out. And, you know, some people were like pressing us to limit the voting to like, you know, one's app amount, like 21's ads or something. And I said, no, like I wanted the range because what makes Maxi Man is so fun is the unpredictable nature of it and the variability of it. And so when you can just unleash mayhem, this way more fun than, you know, having a button down popularity contest, in my opinion.

16:18I just, I just realized though, Richard, that you and Rod both have a free Wales app because the stats go back to you, right? If you, if either if you want someone to win, you can just wait till the last minute and then unload your 21k at the very end. That's true. I mean, I have been voting on it. I don't think maybe Rod's been voting on it a little bit, but, you know, we believe strongly in like we don't try to manipulate the results of this at all. We're not involved with manipulating the results of this at all because I think if we do that, it really takes away from people involved having fun, the participants in it having fun. So while we can do that, I mean, one of the things that you can see who's voting, which I think is also very cool, which you can't on Twitter.

17:23Actually, can I say real quick on that, Richard, for the folks listening, I know who voted against me, and I have a very long memory. Go on. Well, I voted for you. I know, and I know who voted for me as well, and I have a long memory for that too. That was a hard one. That was a really tough matchup because I like both of you and made acts quite a bit, and I probably took at least three minutes to think about it, sitting there at the pole. Now, it's good fun. Good fun. And made X is a good man. Happy to as happy as one can be about losing, happy to lose to a person of that caliber. Sorry, I didn't drop to something. I just wanted to let people know that I have no to their names. That's all. Annabelle is good thing.

18:26I guess I will have to admit, I did give Noah Grimm in a big zap today because 12,000 or 16,000 sat zap today, so I will own that. Well, I did look at that pole. She's matched up against McShane, who's blown his load already on himself. So I don't know. I think it balances out. Yeah, I really hope Noster can learn who she is because I think she's one of the most people on Noster and in the Bitcoin ecosystem. Oh, for sure. And we're going to in a short while we're going to play play her first value for value song, which is, which is kind of cool. Yeah, I mean, it's been, it's been fun. I mean, it's, I gotta say, I am impressed with the with the Noster ecosystem. Like everybody involved is very committed in stubborn.

19:41Because I've seen other like in 2020, there was a big move to mastodon when Jack Dorsey was censoring all of us for telling people that they were targeted for wearing masks and whatever. And that that came and died really fast. Then the Noster ecosystem has been very, very vibrant committed, excited about these technology. No, I will say though, Richard, on the social media side, and I'm not the only one who's felt this is the last few months. Noster has been getting a bit dull. Frankly, it's the same people repeating the same cliches over and over again. And people getting into silly fights and I've had to tune out a lot of that. I think Maxi madness has breathed a lot of life back into Noster.

20:44I mean, I don't know in how many people like the weekly active users is something like 10,000, although I think that feels like a bit of a stretch to me. It's probably little less than that. But within that, there's a strong subset that feels energized with what you guys have done. So it's been great. Yeah, this all kind of happened accidentally like the formation of Maxi madness. I thought it was a fun idea the first year I did it on Twitter. And there wasn't a lot of thought putting it put into it and it just like took off and became kind of a big thing and then Rod came in the second year and really accelerated it and added just an incredible amount of value. He's been very instrumental in the back end of a lot of this stuff of a ton of the content that is being created, bringing much more of like a rational feel to it with a lot of the graphics and stuff. And it really has turned into one of the most fun.

22:02Social themed things in Bitcoin, you know, both on Twitter, I think Twitter felt has felt similar to last few years that it has breathed life there. And I think, you know, part of the reason why is I think it's important to take pride in the in this social movement that we're part of and in like to understand the importance of it, which, you know, people might think is kind of ironic for me to say, you know, because in many ways we are making fun of a lot of people, but or they may feel that way, but you know, the stuff that we're talking about and the stuff that we're doing is incredibly important because it's like what like Bitcoin is like one of the very few things in the world that's actually productive for promoting any semblance of freedom.

23:11And Noster fits into that in a large way. And it's just like it's fun to find creative ways to celebrate. The individuals here, you know, to have a good time and I think where a lot of people misunderstand what it means to be effective in accomplishing your goals. Like having fun is like one of the primary ways to be effective in accomplishing your goals and promoting the ideas that are important to you, like you have to have fun. I am a firm believer whoever has the most fun wins. And the great thing about like the way to win maxi madness and the way to win I think in general with dealing with the bugle is you either join us and have fun or you're going to have a bad time.

24:15As many have found out. By doing otherwise. That is for sure. So I do want to get back to the game theory of zappos because it's absolutely fascinating topic that I've been thinking of thinking about ever since you guys launched this thing. And really it was it comes to the fore in a format like this right this type of elimination format. Gamified this way because if I were to put up a zappol with a range of 21 stars at 21,000 stars and say hey what color should I wear or whatever it is right. I mean the three people would zap 21 sets maybe at most. So perhaps not as effective as something like that use case but this type of elimination playoff type game. It just creates all sorts of possibilities because you're not just thinking about or you should not be thinking about just that one match up you have to think long term like how you strategically deploying capital across multiple rounds.

25:25You also have a prediction market right predicts I wonder though Richard that if there's a way in which the prediction market can be baked in into the into the game itself. For example if maybe next year you could I don't know if you can do zapp splits on the polls today but if half of it goes to you right and the other half goes to the winner at the end. That sort of maybe there's some kind of hedging that can be done and the game theory is completely different for that type of poll right. Yeah I agree I really like I was thinking about this the other night I really like the incentive if you were to split the the sad so at the participants in the poll. I think that's great you know because it's funny you know the differences in currency between Twitter and Noster like that you know the currency on Noster is Bitcoin and the currency on Twitter is engagement and glaze.

26:43And so I think you see kind of different behaviors on both platforms for that reason I personally I like Bitcoin more than I like glaze I enjoy Bitcoin a lot more so you know it's part one of the reasons primarily you know like I see a lot of value in the value for value ecosystem. I think for predax probably a fairly simple way to make the platform interesting and get it more integrated with the Noster ecosystem would be to do something similar to fountain where you tie your Noster insect to your profile on predax and every time you buy it. It tells like a post on Noster I think that would be pretty good but I'm not sure how to directly bake the prediction markets and I kind of like not being directly involved with the prediction markets that you know in more so seeing how people respond and interact with it because anybody can go on predax and create a market for anything.

28:10So I'm not sure specifically how to bake it directly into the contest next year but I think the simple one I don't know if you can do splits on the on the polls but that would be a really cool feature for next year that I would be huge fan. Yeah so the primal team if you're listening million Paul any of you just something to keep in mind I don't order someone from spark I doubt if anyone from sparks listening but if there is a way to set up a split once things go well it's interesting though right because you will know who's the winner until all the zaps come in so maybe this. Then you need the he'll have to have the zap sitting at escrow until the polls close and then you do the split half to the author of the zap and half to the winner sorry author of the poll and half to the winner yeah interesting problems I don't know how you solve something like that in a self custodial way.

29:19I think that the simple answer is generally the best answer and I think just splitting like the winner doesn't have to take. It doesn't have to be split going to the winner it could just be split amongst all the participants in like you know your incentive is to make it to the next round in order to turn sats on that poll that makes sense. Yeah fascinating stuff how obviously we're not talking large numbers on master right just like maybe hundred we'll see what happens in the second round more people wake up more people will upgrade to primal 3.0 maybe you know you can I'm sure someone can quickly vibe up a zapping. Oh sorry zap polling app desktop client to do this but the number we're not talking about thousands and thousands of people it doesn't and I don't think that's going to happen a because

30:33it's not so small but be because it doesn't I mean like there's no incentive to you know spin up bots to zap when you could take care of that with the wails app or a couple of wails apps if you're so inclined. But how does I guess the sentiment and excitement around maxi madness on master compare to what's happening on on Twitter because that's something I have no I haven't gone to Twitter and like a week or two at this point I have an open claw that occasionally post for me. So I don't even know what's happening there and I think I'm pretty certain I'm muted hundred percent of Bitcoin Twitter as well so I won't even know what's happening. Yeah the excitement's a lot more on on Twitter and I think part of the reason why is it's a much bigger platform and we have. Momentum there. I mean done it three years in a row so people have participated before they know what to expect.

31:41Probably a fair amount of the participants on maxi madness on master this is the first time seeing or participating in the event. I think a lot of people don't know we are. Which always surprises me because you know we're the most credential journalists. Bitcoin most thermodynamically sound Bitcoin podcast but like. People yeah people definitely been excited but it is. It's kind of crazy because like there's like 24 7 coverage of us on Twitter right now pretty much between all the different spaces and podcasts and. Live streams that are going on over there. That's remarkable. So we have our friend Rev Hoddle in the comments saying I was thinking about fat zapping others in the bracket that I might have a better chance of beating but I lost some back to just zapping my favorites which is kind of where I am.

32:55And I wasn't fat zapping though I mean you guys have taken enough of my sats. My budget is 500 sats per round but that was a wow that was a cruel match up there Richard Rev Hoddle against Jack Dorsey. This is the nature of max madness is it is cruel. At the end of the day like the the the fates. And just you know raw victory in the last moments. I was really rooting for Rev Hoddle big fan that would have been just like one of the most incredible Cinderella stories. And it was doubly cruel because when the match up was announced before voting began obviously to the lazy observer Rev Hoddle has no time to talk about Jack Dorsey here. And then you see Rev go into this massive lead going into the night and then waking up to find that Jack's beaten him by whiskey.

34:04Cruel doubly cruel I'm sorry Rev. And for those that don't know Rev Hoddle Rev Hoddle is very committed Bitcoin. Meetup organizer. And is definitely not a nobody that's for sure. And you should check out his podcast as well speak a bit on meetups. Local Bitcoin is right I think that's the name listen to a few episodes. Yeah, it's great. Like you show up to like Satoshi up in Michigan. Rev Hoddle is royalty Jack Dorsey shows up there. Nobody's going to know who he is. Like he's like a folk American folk hero. Master folk here. And his preachers wagon going around dropping legs of lamb at different points on the denim road. Yeah, what so what what was the other big meat sorry meetups matchups that you had your eye on in the first round.

35:10We can get to the second round in a bit. But yesterday's matchups were the crazy ones was do beat Lynn Alden. That was always doot. Is somebody a noster insider told me to put on here. Seems like he's just like grumpy posting about hasn't been posting as much for a month. But it was a suggestion from somebody in the selection committee. But it looks like he's just like a good master goofball that likes to post about why block share prices aren't high enough. And he beat Lynn Alden. That is interesting. Very wild. Lobby the JB 55. Very last minute that one shocked me.

36:12Meal on beat super test net super test net was a shocker for me. I didn't realize he was so popular on the oster. But he was looking pretty good. The meal in came in last second. I thought that Lebanese hot will would have a really good. Showing in the tournament because he had a lot of followers, but Max Hillbrand smoked him. Born to lorean beat Adam Curry. And that's why you're not surprised. No. Adam Curry would have what on master don't on the zappels on master don't but not on not an oster condor condor lorean rain supreme in these spots. Of our digital village. Well, the only reason why I was surprised about it was because curry had such a large lead and you know I went to bed and then woke up and then saw.

37:13Corn to lorean Quebec. I thought he would have had a much larger lead throughout the tournament. But yeah, TK beat Ainsley. That one surprised me. I was really shocked that made it to you. I was really confused by that. Dark forces at play. And then another one I was really surprised about was the yellow beat. None of your business because like he's like probably the number two noster podcaster. Oh, yeah. He's a podcasting legend. I mean, he's done almost almost 2000 episodes at this point. Richard, there's some interesting chatter in the life chat apparently at a expensive wolf of KC cancer city says Adam is a stable coin dude these days.

38:18Is this true? I've never heard that it's been a while since I bought all Adam. He's just you know, he's just like a these gen axors have just some of the dumbest takes on things. I really have a deep appreciation for Adam, but he's got some pretty stupid opinions about things sometimes it kind of bumps me out. That's wild. I just I've ignored them. I know there was a memo that went back around telling all the Bitcoin maximalist that maximalism is is now being pro stable coin and Bitcoin. But I've just ignored it. I'm not changing. Wait, where did this originate from? Or you didn't get the memo. I certainly did not know is that because I'm not on Twitter anymore? You're just not pod cough and it went through all the pod cough channels.

39:22Okay, and by stable coins, they mean tether presumably. Yes, you know, it's you can't like any of the other ones besides tether like tether tether, you know, apparently palos a good bit cleaner. But yeah, usdc's a shit point, but but the memo according to pod cough is, you know, tether's okay. Yeah, it's it's the pristine and refined petroleum in the petro dollar backing tether. And you usdc's does it see presumably stands for crude, it's not refined. Yeah, interesting stuff. I'm I think this is one of the nice things about not being on Twitter anymore is. I don't hear any of the tether stuff because there are no tether people on master and I don't think they ever will be.

40:22Well, just wait when they've been working on getting tether on lightning. And when that happens, they're going to start doing the tether's apps. Yeah, well, I think there are Monero's apps already if I'm not mistaken. I'm not I mean, I think they're on a different relay. So I wouldn't know. But very possible that Monero's apps are already a thing. That sounds really non functional. Have you have you used Monero at all? No. I wear it as a badge of pride. Like I've got like probably like $30, $30 USDT worth of Monero in my cake wallet. And that gives me my shit pointer badge. I failed the maximum as a purity test because of that. But you know, you open your wallet and you have to wait like five minutes for it to sink.

41:24It's like this really weird feature of Monero where your wallet has to sink with the chain somehow. So like every time you want to set a transaction, you have to set away it. And it's just, you know, the more you use Bitcoin, the more you realize, it's just like how great the UX of it all has gotten. Because it is just especially right now with transactions being so cheap. It's just so easy to to send in, you know, while there are these, a lot of the lightning ecosystem with custodials pretty easy to use. It's becoming custodial light though with things like Spark. I don't know what Spark is honestly. It probably is custodial, but it can pass off as sort kind of sort of non custodial, I suppose. I'm not going to try and explain the mechanics of Spark or Oracle or any of these other things.

42:27But it seems like it's kind of like something built on top of lightning. So it's like another layer on top of it. But yeah, I'm surprised liquid hasn't taken off more. There is no liquidity on liquid. Yeah. I mean, I think it's kind of crazy. Like when you look at the stablecoin markets and what people are doing, how bad the UX is to use like Tether on Tron or Tether on Ethereum. It's just like a major pain in the ass. And I think what this should be. I mean, you look at like the biggest betting platform. I don't know how how she works. But you look at something like Polymarket. And like, probably reason why I've never gotten on Polymarket was because I didn't want to go the trouble of figuring out

43:30how to get my hands on USDC. And then they had like a really complicated weird log in process where you did like, you either use a wallet that I didn't have or you know, so to sort of shake my platform. And you're like a predex. So you just, you have a simple log in, you create your log in, and then you just load balance with lightning. It's a credible easy. Liquid could be significantly better UX solution for using stablecoins. And yet it hasn't been adopted. And I think, you know, UX isn't everything like a big part of getting user adoption as marketing. It just, it baffles me why so many people have gone and on the Polymarket with USDC. Well, he's just crazy to me.

44:31Yeah. Don't they do? I'm trying to remember was Polymarket? Is it available in the US, meaning when I say available, I mean, if you're going in without a VPN and your IP address is from the US, then Polymarket. I think they do some kind of geo look up and block you was what I heard. Yeah, I think a lot of them are that way where you have to, most people using their using in some sort of VPN. But I just never got that far. I just like, I couldn't even figure out how to log in. I was like, no, I'm not going to download Metamask. And I'm going to learn how to use USDC to use your student life. How do you get USDC to buy it on Coinbase or something? Yeah, I think that's pretty much how it is. You go to poll it or deposit dollars into to get your paper dollar token.

45:39No. Love in the chat says don't Metamask kids, which is, yes, wise words. So let's get back to the matchups and this round, which I think kicked off today. What are the big ones you have your eye on? Well, we got Ben just men versus Derek Ross. That's a, that's a good one. Most seem pretty active and excited about it. I mean, Derek Ross is going to get excited. Those guys are both very committed to Noster. And they like Noster Ben just man. He is probably one of my favorite people that's excited about Bitcoin. He's just such a good nature guy. So likeable.

46:39For sure. He loves slop. Derek loves slop too. That's a fun matchup to watch. Yeah, like two great podcasters, long running podcasters. You got Guy Swan and Daniel Prince. That's a good matchup. You got Brad Mills and Sessions. That's a good matchup Canadian duel. There's a tight one right now between no grooming and machine. I gave Noah a big boost and a machine now wants to fight me. Yeah, I'll keep an eye on that. I've already voted for Noah with my regular account. But lap chain radio has a primal account as well. So I'll keep an eye on it in the morning. And I'm sure Lava is lurking waiting to snipe at the last minute. But yeah, that would be a good one.

47:39Yeah, I really like this builder's category because there's a lot of like really cool and serious people in it. You got Callie against GG. Mask coating bandits against each other. GGs weren't lost. I don't know what he is. Full body suit. Yeah. Yeah. Here on Fiat Jeff lot meal home. Those are. I just think that you know the Nostra bracket in my opinion is a lot more fun. It's a lot less politically charged. But Twitter bracket is incredibly politically charged. You got a lot of crash hats going on over there. But I think there's a lot of a lot more wholesomeness to this tournament and the individual's participating. I think that the sportsmanship's a lot better.

48:42Yeah, it's a nicer place in general than X. Last year was there was some shenanigans on X some absolute nobody basically bought some votes on some hot ride through bots or whatever to win. I was just the way democracy works. Democracy is all about buying votes one way or another. If you don't like that then I guess your alternative is like monarchy and then we can all bend over worship Michael Saylor or whatever. Last year's tournament was a lot of fun. It's time watching that there were a lot of people that were very upset at Teddy bitcoins. It was like kind of the nail and the coffin of the swan media mafia. Because part of the reason why people didn't like Teddy bitcoins is he was very antagonistic against quarry and swan.

49:46I think that that was where a lot of the hatred came from. He was too cool to not participate in the tournament got knocked out round one and then headed to archnemesis go and steamroll everybody. He beat Saylor, he beat Lyn Alden and then quarry decided to start crashing out. This year quarry is boycotting it pretending like he doesn't even know it exists. That was really the nail and the coffin I think for swan of having any sort of relevancy. It seems like quarry has been just like grass been at straws. He's just he's out there just complaining about his poor decision to partner with tether on tron and how he got screwed for shit pointing. But he doesn't believe that he was shit pointing. They didn't get drugged by tethered and they can see around the topic swan.

50:46That's what he claims is that he got drugged. They added some sort of agreement and then it all fell apart. There's multiple sides of the story and I just don't care enough to take a side. It's just like you know quarry you suck you're not willing to engage in max madness and then tethered you suck. You're actively working to prolong the existence of the dollar. Keep the people in power that tell me where I can't smoke cigarettes. I just don't really care about either. So max madness is on Twitter is doing its thing. What kind of vote size I'll be looking at I mean the 5 10 20k range.

51:52It really ranges depending on the poll you're looking at. See. Right now in round two some of the polls are up near a thousand and some are in the couple hundred range. I haven't been any massive moves in amounts and I think what happens is as the the tournament progresses. The people with the most active voting bases start to match up against each other. You know the people are more committed to win like the first two rounds are pretty much. It's just kind of weeding out the individuals that aren't very committed to the tournament just paid in. Sometimes there's like tragedies of you know individuals that are very committed. Like Adam Samaka got beat by sailor Adam was very amped up and excited about the tournament.

52:58I was disappointed to see him go I was hoping that kids at was going to be very like excited. But she didn't show up at all for the tournament. She liked a couple tweets. That was about her commitment. I don't know what she's doing. I'm just flopping about pivital or whatever but. There's some pretty hardcore shit talking happened in Twitter right now. I'm enjoying it. It's pretty fun to watch. You had Aaron Redwing go up against Ross Holbert yesterday. She was talking shit saying that she wants Ross to get locked up again. That was pretty intense.

53:59Did Ross have anything to say? No, I think Ross is I think he's really enjoying his time right now. As he should. Yeah, now Ross gets a pass for not participating in Maxi Madness. Roger. So we did this person beat Aaron you said Aaron. Yeah. So she beat Ross. It was our belief. Okay. Interesting stuff. Richard one of the things you've done differently in this year's Maxi Madness is you have a real human single. Perform the Maxi Madness song. What was the story there? Yeah. So I started talking to Noah around right before Maxi Madness last year.

55:06And so this is like her first one of her first impressions of me was seeing Maxi Madness. And I think she got excited about it. Well, I've got excited about it. And so we're talking about it this year. She's been one of my big inspirations for taking my musical career more seriously. And so we talked quite a bit about music and different mechanics about it. She has been incredibly helpful for me on that front. I wrote the Maxi Madness song and I sent it to her. And she got very excited about it. And took it upon herself to record herself singing it. And then she convinced Peter Todd to do a rap portion for it.

56:07Her and Lahav in shot this unbelievable music video. It is an incredibly high quality music video. Unfortunately, we won't be able to play the video itself. This is an audio podcast. But we'll play the song in a minute or two. Yeah, for anyone who hasn't watched it, I will put the link to the video itself in the show notes. So you can go check it out. Lahav, obviously, masterful video editing and filming and camera work as well. Really well done. So how did you write the song? Did you compose it on a piano? The melody and then how did you do the arrangement and everything else?

57:08I just wrote it out and put it through a doodad. Pretty much. There wasn't it wasn't like super, super involved. I guess like the writing of the song was like years in the making. With the previous maxi madness. So there I think there's a lot of history and meaning to it to kind of build what it's about. It was relatively simple process of writing it and then Noah just took it and brought it to the next level. All right, well, why don't we listen to it? This is here. I do want to mention revolution rocks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll talk about it after the. Okay, cool. Why don't we tell you? Yeah, yeah, we have time.

58:08We'll talk about it after. I had it on the list. So this is maxi madness written by Richard Grieser performed by Noel Grooman. Who will be the one hectareas? The one they will sing their story up? Who made it all the way to the end? Harnest destiny to be their friends? Will they be a hero of the plants? Or will a villain spin their webs? A hard-bought battle away? To decide maxi madness is fate. Even training all their lives. Hear the crowd of the moment around. Maxi madness.

59:08This is a battle for eternal glory. To be taken upon who is worthy. Now put everything on the line. In order to attend the climb. Only one will take all the ground. Can you feel the madness all around? Who will be the champion? Like the legends from history. Before them their enemies will flee. Their weapons are their minds. Try to heal the world that is blind. The most important contest of our time. Exploding the money for an earth's crown. A hard-bought battle away. To decide maxi madness is fate. They've been training all their lives. And hear the crowd of the moment around. Maxi madness. This is a battle for eternal glory. To be taken upon who is worthy.

1:00:10Now put everything on the line. In order to attend the climb. Only one will take all the ground. Can you feel the madness all around? Who will be the champion? It's stopping away to the top. Since the day was born. Dropping the molten fire. Teaching the players about court. This battle is about Bitcoin or slavery. And the champion is the one who shows bravery. They're feeding shadow bands. When they thought we were nuts. We're running backs. Running circles around. Fear cops. Podcasts. We won't tell if it's a revolution. Cypherpunks break off. Because we fight a solution. We're running the world. To the first turning. We're buzzing us all the institutions of burning. Making a room for compromise. We're gonna fight till the day we die. And they've been training all their lives. They hear the crowd of the moment around. Maxi madness.

1:01:10Maxi madness. This is the battle for eternal glory. To the final one who is worthy. They'll put everything on the line. In order to attempt to climb. Only one will take home the crowd. Can you feel the madness fall around? Who will be the champion? Who will be the champion? Champion. Who will be the champion? Maxi madness. Maxi madness. That was Maxi madness by Richard Greaser and Noah Grumman. As always, folks. The 90% splits are in the song chapter.

1:02:12So if you like what you heard. Then hit that rewind button. And hit that boost button. 90% of all. Boost will go directly to the artist which I presume gets for the split. Richard between you and Noah. Yeah, I set it up so it's 90% to Noah. I hope she gets rewarded for it. It'd be awesome if you guys. It's just this is. It's a very cool moment for me. You know, to be able to do this type of collaboration. You know, with individuals of this caliber. Also, I believe this is pretty monumental moment in Bitcoin cultural history for a lot of reasons. And I think it will continue to be going forward. I think.

1:03:13Scar dust. And the individuals like Noah with in a law that are involved in one way or another with the scar dust. It's really marks a major shift in the Bitcoin social ecosystem. And specifically the music ecosystem quite a bit. And I think is a tremendously tremendously big deal. Have them there. And so it's just I'm really grateful for the relationship that we. You know, have been with each other and more opportunities to do these types of collaborations with them. It's been incredible. Yeah, I can only imagine. But I will say Richard, Maxi Madness is Noah's second best Bitcoin song. The first best being rip of course.

1:04:14Although that's more of a video than a song, but it all ties in. Yeah, ribs a good one. I was listening to it last night. Really, I genuinely really like the song. I thought, you know, for all of their all of scar dust music, that was probably the best choice, you know, to do a Bitcoin themed music video. I thought it came out very, very well. And video is incredible. The message is incredible. There are so many cool Easter eggs in it, you know, Bitcoin talk forums, the white paper. It's just a lot of a lot of Bitcoin history packed into this video. And I agree. That's definitely the best. Yeah.

1:05:15So Maxi Madness, Richard has sponsors this year. I don't remember if you had sponsors last year, but this year it's Zeus predicts the right, the prediction market on lightning, soap miner. And an interesting new entrant into the space called revolution rocks. What do you know about revolution rocks, Richard? I'm so excited about this. So this is a music festival happening in Belgrade, Serbia. And I never thought to say that I would be going to Serbia. That that was a plan for me, but now that this is happening, I'm for sure going to be going out there, but it's a two day event happening June 19th and 20th. So the 19th is going to be a music portion of it. It got some great bands.

1:06:16It's a good variety of individuals. This is going to be my first time ever seen Skardust. They're going to be headlining the event. And I think there's going to be some more artists that are added to this lineup. But you got Skardust headlining and you got Longy. I've been familiarizing myself with their music a little bit. I'm not familiar with. Yeah. And then Joe Martin, who have actually seen perform live, you know, he's a great performer, great musician. Low, very fun band. And then the legend Roger 9000. I think there's going to be some more artists. I guess I will have a DJ role somewhere in the festivities at some point. So I hope I've been working real hard on a new electronic album or that specifically.

1:07:23I'm really excited to get out there when I wrap it up, but I think it'll be fun. I think music is incredibly important. It's incredibly important to coincide with social movement. And I think we're at the point where it's time to build these. There's just energy around music natively in the Bitcoin ecosystem. And it doesn't have to be a plebslomp music. I think it could be really, really good music. I think there's a lot of things to write about other than buying Bitcoin on a KYC exchange and putting it on hardware wall. There's how the number is going to go up or whatever. There's like a million things that you can write about. But you can write things about topics that are relevant to individuals that are in this ecosystem.

1:08:32And you can get together with people that are in this social movement. I think one of the common frustrations that many people that are very interested in Bitcoin have is they just feel very disconnected from a lot of other people. Because you become very interested in this technology. You read a lot. You learn a lot about topics that the rest of the world doesn't think about or know about. And you start to live in this completely alternate reality from the average person. And it could feel kind of isolating. And so I think there's building ways for people to interact is together. This is why the conferences are so popular. It's because they're ways for people to kind of get together and around each other. But at this point, I think a lot of people want something more than just listening to animals

1:09:35or listening to talks for people, which most of the talks at conferences or people just selling whatever their product is. I think people are really looking for ways to really connect to each other, build these long-lasting relationships with each other. And music's a great way to do it. I think music's one of the best ways to do it. And it's cool to have a festival with individuals that are all kind of coming from similar perspectives have similar passions in a really, really talented. So I think this is probably going to be one of the most important events that happens this year. And I'm hoping that it's going to set a very real precedent. And we'll continue to be a thing going forward because I think there's a lot to prove.

1:10:41I'm confident because of the individuals involved with it that it's going to be executed very well. But when it's executed well, it's going to make a pretty big statement, in my opinion. And I hope that it makes a big enough statement that other people want to replicate. And one of the challenges for Skardust has just been consistently getting booked at shows. They have a very big following, but they have trouble getting booked at shows. And I think there's an awesome opportunity to show up and support them, especially when they're putting so much energy into, like Noah is out there doing live streams in front of tons of tons of people. She'll ennoster.

1:11:41It's pretty cool to watch. Talking about using, she's using her platform to teach people that are interacting with music about the value for value of music industry. And I believe that a community that is passionate about these technologies and ideas, benefits greatly from supporting somebody like that and rewarding them for doing that. That way, other artists that are also talented and accomplished, see the value in an ecosystem like this to really bring cultural enrichment to it. Absolutely. I agree with just about everything you said there, Richard. The other thing that this festival is aspiring to do, and I believe, will be able to do.

1:12:47Did you ever read that manifesto that Roger 9000 put out maybe a couple of months ago? I think he called it Sats for Sound. And I'll give you some, if you haven't, I'll give you and the listener some background on this. So I spent a bit of time, well, Roger and I go back a few years, but I got to spend quite a bit of time with him in England around bitfest, which is November of 2025, also filming the Finding Home fourth episode with him, which will be out in a few weeks. But one of the things he told me was actually pretty shocking to me is, you know, you see more and more Bitcoin conferences, add on not quite a music festival, but a music night at the end, right? There's, you know, they get a few bands, you get someone like Joe Martin or someone else right in the UK, it's, you have folks like Roger and others.

1:13:48And the vast majority of the time, the artists don't actually get paid by these conferences. They're told straight up by the organizers, look, you get the exposure, if you come here and play, but we were not in a position to pay you. And a lot of these musicians, they bite the bullet and they actually have to pay for their, you know, either the entire ticket and hotel or if the conference is gracious enough, they cover part of it. But the musician still having to pay to be there, which was mind boggling to me. Like, obviously the conference sees the value in the individual conference or meet up or whatever it might be, right? Seize the value in this artist, enough value to want them to come and perform, right? So there's a recognition there, but they don't want to return the value to them. Now, this is my color on it, Richard. Obviously, Rogers sets for sound manifesto.

1:14:49I think that's the name was a lot more measured than the way I'm framing it. But it's basically a call to any organizers of Bitcoin events and to Bitcoin musicians saying, look, we've got to get paid if they're showing up there and performing our work. And to me, that is the most obvious statement anyone can make. Obviously, it's not true today. So, and there's a lot more nuance and detail in that manifesto around this topic. But what we want to do is, what the conference wants to do is raise enough money, not conference, the festival. Raise enough money to be able to actually pay all the performing artists, first of all cover their expenses and then actually honor the value that they're providing by showcasing their art there. I think that's a great precedent to set and I think it's totally possible. Yeah, it's wild when you actually get into the world of music.

1:15:57And I think it's important to have a conspiracy theory view of the world and why things are the way they are. And you know, there's a reason why music is so gay kept and it's because it's so powerful. It's such a powerful medium of communication and expression. And if you can control the levers of who makes it and who doesn't, you really can retain the control over the levers of power at the end of the day. It's like why was, you know, all the shenanigans, what did he happening? I mean, you see that you see this in Hollywood with movies, you see this in the media, you see this with just anywhere there's, you know, any sort of power, there's a tremendous amount of control.

1:16:57And you know, the music industry is very like beast or famine in the sense of like, you know, you're open mic talks about a lot like you're, you're making a lot of money when you're at the top and you can get these, you know, big stadium tours with live nation, you know, whatever. And then you're kind of screwed at the bottom. I mean, it's like crazy where musicians will go, you know, I see this in places like, you know, your average musician at the bar that's going and playing like an hour to set might make like somewhere between like 50 or $80. Which is, you know, really, really kind of bummer and astounding. And they, you know, some of these places like they're just like world renowned musicians and it is kind of wild to see who makes it and who doesn't, you know, oftentimes, some of the musicians at the top, you know, while they're very like talented, they're not the most talented.

1:18:07There's a lot of effort that goes into, you know, kind of making certain people and cherry picking, cherry picking some and not allowing others to really like breakout and have success and I like to see that change. And I think, you know, one of the reasons, one of the ways that you can change that it's not just, you know, changing the mechanisms like Spotify or, you know, going to wavelength or, you know, things like that. I think it's really about convincing individuals of the importance that individuals like musicians and artists provide society. And why they should be actively engaged if they, if they find value in what they do, there's a, there's a lot of ways to, to show up and support people.

1:19:15Besides just, you know, giving them monetary support, but I also think it's important to give a monetary support, you know, however you can and and afford it because they, they do have costs at the end of the day, but like, you know, for individuals that are like, well, I don't have like tens of thousands of dollars to be, you know, a notable patron. And of this musician, like, there are tons of ways that you can, you know, support them because a huge part of what is limiting to a lot of musicians is discoverability. And, and just the way the algorithms kind of make a break people. And I feel like, you know, if you want to have dissident opinions and you want to take them. Places you kind of have to think of, of like, not think like an underdog and a dissident of like you, you can't play the game the way that the game has been constructed. And you have been told to play you have to come up with creative solutions to operate outside of the, the rule sets that are assigned to you.

1:20:25And, and I think events like this is, you know, a big part of it is just like if this system isn't working for you, then you, you kind of have to build your up at the end of the day. And so my, my hope is that people can, can you really, you know, excited about this event and see, you know, how much of a big opportunity it is to actually, you know, make a meaningful difference in the world of music and like really support some incredible artists that deserve being supported. Yeah, definitely an event to look forward to. By the way, it is the location is in Belgrade on the Danube River. It's a floating bar called Zappa. How perfect is that? A Zappa bar for a value value, live concert.

1:21:34Yeah, that's pretty great. I mean, what, what do things that has been wild for me is like I have a lot of good friends that are musicians that have gone about things a different way than I have, because my only experience with music has been engaging in the Bitcoin value for value community. And I think I've had a lot of cool opportunities, you know, that they, they haven't because the mechanisms of earning and stuff are here for so great. But yeah, it's going to be a Tunis to event. It's going to be a live stream, which is going to be, you know, great. But yeah, the location is cool. I think Belgrade, I did some research on Belgrade that the first thing that I started to reach it, researching was. Was it safe? And for what I've seen, it's relatively safe. It's probably safer than Paris, France. That's, that's pretty low bar.

1:22:41The only bit of research that I was able to see about any potential issues is you want to, you know, potentially watch out for like pickpockets or something, but I think that's pretty promising. Yeah, I pickpockets up off of the cost in any city, any big city. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty easily mitigated, getable, but now I'm, yeah, I don't know. Have you ever been a concert on a floating boat? On a, there's a, yes, in a manner of speaking, there's the Jones Beach Theatre in Long Island. And I went to see Dream Theatre perform there a couple of times actually. So short answers, yes. But it's more like a, like a barge or a wolf than a boat, I suppose.

1:23:49I mean, it'll be a first time for me. Sure, it'll be a lot of fun. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I'm just wondering how much is going to move around, how that will impact the start us, boss pit. I mean, you know, the photos look great. Obviously, you have to be there in person to get the real sense of it. The photos of the venue itself look great. Think the capacity is about 800 people. So should be a nice, tightly packed and warm event for that time of year. One of the things that I'm excited about is they think, you know, because it's in Europe, it's going to be largely a European scene. I think the first person that told me about this have been actually was Daniel Prince. And, um, be very different scene than what I'm used to.

1:24:52Mm-hmm. You've been to Europe, though, right? Yes. I have been to Europe been a long time, but I have been to Europe. I'm going to try and avoid the UK at all costs. That place is just so hard, but I think Serbia is pretty nice. You know, I will just to not not that I have any particular or specific reason to defend the UK, but my trip for Bitfast to London and Manchester was very pleasant. It was very nice, actually. So there's that I've never been to Serbia myself, so I'm looking forward to it. Is the week after BTC Prague. So for those of you listening who will be at BTC Prague, you know, it's just the short. I don't know if it's a short drive, but I'm sure the flight is an hour at most, maybe less and incredibly cheap, once you're in Europe.

1:25:54Unlike in the States, Richard, New York to Boston can go up to 500, 600 bucks sometimes, but in Europe that distance would be under 100 euros, maybe even 20, 30 euros. That's one nice thing they've managed for these some of these shorter, I guess you could call it domestic in some sense domestic to Europe flights, they've managed to control the cost somehow. Yeah, I think the States subsidizes a lot of a lot of flights, I believe is how it works, but yeah, it's a, you're, you're, it's wild living in the US because it's just like such a big and vast country. Kind of go all around Europe, because it's, it's just, it's crazy how like culturally diverse it is, and how small it is at the same time. Like the US is pretty culturally diverse here, but we like almost all universally speaking English correctly, and they all have, like some people speaking English incorrectly, some people don't even speaking.

1:27:01It's crazy. Yeah, got a, got a teacher, man. All right, let's last thing I wanted to talk to you about is podcasting or rather the state of podcasting. I am sensing, and I have been sensing in the last three or four months, some strong bear market apathy vibes from the podcast. Yeah, I think it's a very interesting audience. Downloads are down, I know we were talking about this a month or two ago, Richard, but it's talking to Daniel Prince about it, a couple of others as well. Downloads are down, boosts are down, zaps are down. How, are you seeing something similar now, or was that just passing thing for you back then when we spoke? I think our downloads are up, but that's just like a number I never pay attention to because I don't think it matters like the only number that I really pay attention to is boost and the boosts are definitely down.

1:28:13Yeah, it's definitely like a bear market, like people pretty discouraged right now, kind of universally, I think like when you start to go and you look out. If the world around you is just siop city out there right now like the world is at war and it's behaving like it's at war the internet's behaving like the world's at war where there's a there's a ton of ton of narratives that are going I think what's being revealed is like a lot of the clubs like what keeps them going is getting late. By like influencers and and you know companies you know with VC money that are incentivized to glaze the plabs and like the VCs aren't funding those companies anymore so like the glaze isn't being funded and so like a lot of people like inside because they were like hooked on it on glaze. On glaze and it's a combo of that and I think the combo of like there's some pretty intense psychological pressures happening on people right now.

1:29:20As they're just looking at the world around them like I think a lot there's one thing to be listening to mark macro doom slop. You know for years of like you know listen to these gen X zoom or gen X. Doomers go on you know podcast and talk about like how everything's going to fall apart. And then actually watching it happen in experiencing it like I think a lot of people have this expectation their heads of like oh you know we listen to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcast so that when everything falls apart we're going to like you know have a great time in a real school to have fun staying poor and I just like that I think that was a really bad expectation. To have. And so I think it's just it's it's beyond just like the price of Bitcoin it's. You talk to the average person right now in the very discouraged like I think the summer's going to be a very very intense time like it you know you're watching energy prices skyrocket.

1:30:26globally in like in the US they they're a lot like I don't think it's it's it's not quite double what they were earlier this month at the beginning of the month but it's like approaching the range of gasoline prices doubling in a month. And you know you look at a lot of these plans and like just to make ends meet like a lot of them have driving delivery jobs like people are doing things like contracting for Amazon or driving Uber left or Uber Eats or you know post made things like that. Try try and get by as they're they're dealing with increasing inflation is just it's like you you have all of these these things coming together and I think that there's a larger reason than just like people don't have conviction in Bitcoin like I think it's a really difficult time.

1:31:28And emotionally and like everybody interact with is either crashing out on on the verge of crashing out and so I think generally speaking people are discouraged and exhausted and it's it's hard to be unaffected by that and so I think that's part of the reason on top of that you know just the kind of unexciting. Like the influencers aren't glazing you the world is hard there's a lot of emotional pressure going on there's wars happening crazy shit happening. And I just think it's important you know for the podcast listeners and podcasters to just realize like the responsibility that you have right now. To be able to you know do something like if you're not a complete retard and you have some sample and so what's going on in the world like you're really in a powerful place where you can do a lot of offer a lot of good to people and I I've never been more excited personally.

1:32:41So I think I've just been trying to invite people into the first turning like you know I know things are hard but it doesn't mean that you have to have a bad time. And then I'm plus lot pity party like it's like the whatever you're dealing with and like the struggle that you got going on doesn't mean that you have to have a time like struggle brings you into. The potential of being your best self like it pushes you in ways that easy times don't like it's an opportunity to grow it's an opportunity to really you know find your limits and that's ultimately you know an awesome thing like when you can look at the struggle instead of just like. Fuck like you know I was supposed to have like an easy like fiat field life where I can have a time share like you know my boomer parents did or whatever and you know do nothing and then retire and then go gamble my social security away at slot machines like you're like resentful and pissed off about that i think that's a bummer because it's just like.

1:34:01The reason the comfort is the wrong thing to to desire in my opinion like it's. The best thing to desire in life is a sense of purpose of me. And I think one of the most exciting things about being in around Bitcoin is you have the best potential. Out of almost anybody in the world right now of being able to achieve that that that sense of purpose meaning because you know you you have so much more freedom than than other people do because of these technologies. You know if you use them correctly and so I don't think it's something to get squat you know to squander or discourage or take for granted like I think something to be very excited about and great. And I truly am like I truly am because I will go and interact with normal use from time to time.

1:35:02Just be talking them spoken cigarettes and they're they're fucking an outer space like they have no idea what's going on right now. That all makes sense Richard largely been my experience as well. There is a lot of despair but there's hope as well. For perhaps what's needed as a knowledge also people need sometimes. So anything else Richard you want to talk about I think we covered pretty much what we needed to and maxi madness the bugle by the way congratulations celebrated your hundredth episode recently. I remember well I had you on the show you just had your first or second episode so it's about almost two years then right.

1:36:05Yeah yeah I guess 104 would be two years because we do one every week that's kind of crazy. Yeah that's great. Yeah so I appreciate. Yeah go ahead. I appreciate the support publishing you you guys have been one of the biggest supporters of the ego for the very beginning you've been kind of what has kept me interested in an Oscar in the noster ecosystem single handedly so I appreciate that when when you guys went to found and subscribe subscriptions. I jumped on that immediately because I think the club chain has a very important role. And you know I've continued to see that with you as you continue to jump on stuff that's cool and interesting it matters with the finding home series and being involved in the music value for value music ecosystem being involved with this music festival.

1:37:28Yeah I appreciate you a lot I'll be. Oh and likewise Richard thank you for those kind words certainly you and Rod are big corn culture would be a very very different if the bugle hadn't been there so appreciate you as well. All right well thank you Mr Greaser and thank you to our livestream audience for keeping the chat so lively for listening and for your zaps. If you are listening to the recording as always notice what you didn't hear today. You didn't hear me reading an ad for an AI powered HR software and you didn't hear me pitching recruitment platforms that ghost your resume. I don't do that here on the lightning-laced airwaves the only sponsor is you if you found value in this conversation if it gave you a new mental model a moment of clarity or just respite from the noise then please consider returning that value.

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