#166 Is Your Gut Causing Bone Loss? What Most Osteoporosis Plans Miss w/ Steven Wright + BoneCoach™ Osteoporosis & Osteopenia

Why is gut health so important for bone health?

Here's the crazy thing. As we age, we lose microbiome diversity and we have a higher chance

of microbiome dysbiosis. And so those are the conditions that will then send signals

to basically eat up more bone faster. It doesn't matter if you eat the best wild

caught salmon or local everything. If you don't actually get the nutrients out of that food,

you won't have the nutrients for the bones.

You could talk through this digestive process and at each phase what's taking place and

how we can optimize that.

Yeah, so digesting them.

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Welcome, welcome to this episode of the bonecoach show joining us today to explore osteoporosis

and gut health and the little known fatty acid affecting bones, gut and whole body health

is Stephen Wright. Stephen Wright is a health engineer, Kalish Functional Medicine Institute

graduate and gut health specialist. He spent close to $400,000 overcoming his own health

challenge is using everything from Western medicine to shamans. Stephen is the founder

of healthy gut.com and he lives in Boulder, Colorado with his wife, Shea and their two dogs

Stephen. Welcome to the show.

Kevin, thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to this. Let's start out with how you got

into having this passion around helping people heal their guts, where that all started

and how and why you created healthy gut.com.

Yeah, like most people's journeys, I had my own problems and I had to go outside of the

normal route to heal those problems and that's, you know, that's the short version of it.

I was somebody who was nicknamed the gas man by my family. I was so smelly. My head, like,

just a lot of IBS and bloating my entire life looking back. Now there were fluctuations

in it and it got worse after certain things such as a lot of antibiotics for my acne

in high school and then worse after college, which was a ton of stress, beer and pizza.

And then I was in a consulting role. It was like high stress, big four accounting firm

for Fortune 100 companies. And at that point in time, everything that I would eat would

blow me. So it didn't matter if I was doing chicken and salad or Chicago deep dish pizza.

I was in Chicago at the time. I would just immediately swell up and then I would have

like stabbing knife pains. And so this is a type of IBS called visceral hypersensitivity

and everybody has it. But it's like a super sensitization of the nerves and the gut.

And so if you've ever had that experience, you know, like, there's only one thing you

want and the only thing one thing you can focus on. And that's like basically farting.

Like you need the gas to relieve the pressure off the nerves. And so I would essentially

cropped us my coworkers on for sure. I'm sorry, guys, every day and they complained

of my boss, probably as they should have. And so my boss called me in and was like, hey,

the smelly guy, you got to handle this. And so that was kind of, I call it like the four

by four to the face for me because I had plenty of other options I could have chosen to

like try to figure this out. But I needed a lot of embarrassing experiences to really

seek help. And so when I did seek help, all the Western doctors, you know, we're like,

here's all the antibiotics you want. Here's all the metamusol, whole grains. And those

things didn't work. And so luckily, I had a good friend Jordan from college who had

celiac disease. And he was having his own struggles with the gluten free diet. He had found

this other diet called the specific carbohydrate diet. This was also 2008, 2009. So the internet

was not what it is now. He convinced me after a long night on the toilet to get on this

diet, they're making all my food from scratch. And within literally a few days of doing

this, like cutting out a bunch of basically all processed food, cutting out a bunch of

different carbohydrates, 50% of my pain was gone, like literally in days. And this is

something I've had for like literally my whole life in my experience. And this just like

awoken a power in me. Like I had basically given away all my power. And then it was like

holy cow, I can affect how my body feels on a regular basis. I don't have to accept their

facts as my my life sentence. And so that mixed with a bunch of anger and shame. I was like,

I can figure this out. I can reverse engineer this. I don't have any medical training, but

I have an engineering background. And my schooling is just as hard as they're schooling.

And all my schooling was about was focused on solving complex problems. So why can't I

figure out this complex system? And so that's what started the very first iterations of

healthy guy, which were called specific carbohydrate diet lifestyle or a CD lifestyle, lots of

blogging. And then just I'm just one of those people I can't stop digging, like I just

got to know. And so you know, I just kept going deeper into nutrition and then supplements

and then functional medicine and then nervous system. And it just keeps going.

That was actually one of the inroads that I came across you many, many years ago was through

the SCD. It was like an SCD blog or something like that. Yeah. Let's talk about the specific

carbohydrate diet for just a minute. What is that? Why would someone use it? Why did

you, someone who had, you know, smelly gas? And I'm sure there are people listening

right now that have chronic digestive distress for long periods of time. It's causing issues

with their family or the environment or their relationships. And they may be self isolating

or something because of that. Why did you have near immediate resolution in those issues

when you started implementing this protocol? Yeah. So this is one of the, if not the first

sort of digestive diet actually is a specific carbohydrate diet. So it actually comes out

of the 1920s. Everybody who was born with celiac disease back then died. And these two

doctors at Vanderbilt University were like, how do we stop these kids from dying? And they

basically just trialed all these different foods. And they figured out which foods allowed

them to thrive and which foods would cause more GI upset. And then they would go on to

have malnutrition and die. And so the grouping of food that they settled on was really

basically almost free of complex carbohydrates and die saccharides. And it was basically focused

mostly on monosaccharide foods. Their foods are heavy in that. And so it became known later as

the specific carbohydrate diet. That was Dr. Sydney Haas. And then later on, nutritionists

only got shawl actually updated it and modernized it in the 90s, the late 80s and kind of renamed

it after it worked for her daughter who had all sort of colitis. And so they didn't know anything

they didn't know gluten back then. They didn't know seed oil. They didn't know nothing back then.

They didn't know probiotics. They just were literally like what works, what doesn't work,

what works, what doesn't work. And so I think it's amazing that they settled on this idea that

essentially these group of people who have this celiac disease, who have this IBS, they don't tolerate

complex carbohydrates. And so if we now run that through our scientific lens of what we know in

2024, we know that if you have intestinal inflammation, you're going to lose the brushboarder enzymes

that break down complex and die saccharide carbohydrates. So basically, if you have celiac disease,

which is the gold standard of celiac diagnosis is a biopsy that shows your villi are like blunted.

They're like shag carpet that got cut off those shag carpet in the inside of your small intestine.

That's where they released brushboarder enzymes. The final breakdown of all carbohydrates are

these brushboarder enzymes. And so what they did is they developed this diet that ended up being

for people with intestinal inflammation who didn't have enough enzyme to actually break down their

food. And then when you when you remove those foods, you literally stop the bug like the bugs that

eat those foods that are not being properly broken down by your own body. They get passed further

down to bugs. Then you might hear this now called SIBO or CFO or different types of dysbiosis.

And that's just the same as if you threw sugar on the floor in your kitchen. You're like, I don't

understand why there's ants. How come there's ants in my kitchen? It's like, dude, if you put food in

nature, nature grows to meet the demand of the food that's available. And that's a lot of what's

happening in a lot of different gut cases. And in this situation, if you remove the food for that

nature, a lot of that fermentation and gas process that's happening from those bugs just literally

goes away very quickly. Yeah, that's fascinating. Really is fascinating. And let's talk about

why is gut health so important for bone health. There are a couple of other things related to this

we're going to talk about. But primarily because our audience is has osteopenia, has osteoporosis that

got some kind of bone loss. They're trying to build stronger bones. That's an important piece for

them. So let's tie in the gut health and bone health piece. And there are some other specific

things we can chat about in a second. You've definitely been studying this longer and harder than

I have. But my understanding, if you had to say there's like a couple different factors that are

really important for bone health. One is probably stimulus from the environment. One has got to be

like your building blocks, your actual nutrient status. And at least one other component appears

to be the generalized state of your gut. And especially the microbiome, the health of that microbiome

because my review of the literature suggests that the microbiome is sending basically signals to

and again, I'm trying to get up to speed up as much as I can. But if you have osteoblasts which

are making bone and if osteoclasts which are breaking down bone, a microbiome that's dysregulated

or is been aged because here's the crazy thing. As we age, we lose microbiome diversity and we

have a higher chance of microbiome dysbiosis. And so those are the conditions that will then send

signals to the osteoclast to basically eat up more bone faster. And then in mice and rad studies,

they've done some really cool research with probiotics and with butyrate where they literally

either mimic full hormone loss of like so they just put them right into like full hormone loss.

And then they give them probiotics and they can actually prevent the bone decay. And then they

do these antibiotic trials where they give them butyrate or other compounds that are gut-specific.

And without the protection from the antibiotics with the butyrate compounds, they start to lose

their bone and they never quite get their bone back even though the other control mice do. And so

this really cool thing where like every nutrient you would need. So all the calcium or the

magnesium or the boron or whatever you need for your bones literally has to go through your gut.

You have to liberate those minerals and those nutrients from your food. It doesn't matter if

you eat the best wild caught salmon or local everything. You like pet your kale before you eat it.

If you don't actually get the nutrients out of that food that you work so hard for because you

don't have good enzymes or good stomach acid or whatever. You won't have the nutrients for

the bones. But then also later down in your gut is your microbiome and that microbiome is sending

signals 24-7 about whether or not you should keep more bone or lose more bone. And what's the

generalized health of the entire human? Yeah, so all of this as you're talking through this,

people need to understand that this starts actually digestion starts in your mouth when you're

actually chewing your food. There's that mechanical breakdown of the food where you're actually

chewing it. You're stimulating different enzymes, your stomach acid, all that kind of stuff.

And just like you said, you have to be able to liberate those minerals and those nutrients and

actually be able to absorb them. If you don't have good stomach acid, you're not going to be able

to extract those nutrients from your food. The calcium, magnesium, iron, B12, all those important

nutrients. If you don't have good stomach acid, that's going to affect the release of enzymes

further down. Maybe you could talk through this digestive process and at each phase what's taking

place and why we need to optimize it, how we can optimize that. My perspective on it and what the

biology says, digestion starts with your smell. So smelling your food, like the moment you start to

smell the food, it actually primes the nervous system to start your stomach to start creating

stomach acid, which you just talked about is pretty critical. So when someone says like,

pray before you eat or take some deep breaths before you eat, yeah, we're trying to get you to relax

and enjoy your meal, but we're also trying to get you to smell more because that action of smelling

actually starts a lot of the digestive enzyme release and the acid release. There's the mechanical

breakdown of the food, but there's also enzymes, mostly amylase in your mouth, which is a carbohydrate

digesting enzyme. And that starts to break down the food as it goes down your esophagus into your

stomach. Then in your stomach, this is a really cool organ that most people, I don't know, just

never think about probably, but it's like a, it's a giant acidic sac and it's so harsh in there

that you would feel it almost like burning in a way because a lot of times you want the stomach to be

around when it's fully acidified with the food in there. You want it to be below two, so round

one and a half or so. And Coca-Cola is around 2.4. Apple cider vinegar, Coca-Cola are about 2.4

on the pH scale. And the pH scale is not linear, it's logarithmic. So 1.4 or 1.5, which is where we

want to be, is actually a logarithm. It's a whole 10x stronger. It's much closer to battery acid,

which I think is right around one. So it's pretty crazy how acidic it gets in there. And that's

really important because number one is killing any microbes that are coming in through the air,

the water, the food there that might try to hurt us. And it's also liberating, like you said,

these minerals at a microscopic level. So the analogy I have for stomach acids, without stomach acid,

think of a flower that's kind of bound up, it's not getting the sunlight in the water, it's not

opening. At a 3D level, what acid does is it opens up the meat or the nuts or the vegetables that you

eat. Such that enzymes can come in and cleave off the nutrients and bind to the nutrients. And so

if you don't have enough stomach acid, you're never really opening the flower or the nutrients of

your meal. And you're not allowing the enzymes and everything else to do their job. So you're right.

If we look at studies for low stomach acid, they have low over time, they'll lose calcium,

magnesium, all these things. So after that, we jump into the small intestine. And this is where you

have most of your enzyme actions. So you have your pancreatic enzymes, which are lipase and amylase

and proteases. And then you have your brush border enzymes, which I spoke about a little bit ago,

that are also mixing in there. And fully, finally, just breaking everything down to these really,

really little chunks, these microscopic chunks, because that's what we need. We need B12 over here.

We need calcium over here. We need magnesium over here. We need amino acids and these really small

peptide chains. Otherwise, it misses its little window of absorption and it travels deeper into

the small intestine. And when that happens, that's where we get into that. Are you putting sugar on

the floor in your kitchen experience below that is our microbiome. So the majority of our microbiome

is actually the end of our small intestine in the beginning of our large intestine. Most people don't

know that they think it's like at the at the end of the chain. It's not. And so that's where the

microbiome is. That's where all the activities happening where your bugs will literally take what's

left over. This is the fermentable fibers, the bright colors of your food. They take the rest of

that and they turn that into more nutrition for themselves as well as for us. And those signaling

molecules, that's where charging fatty acids and butyrate happens. And that's where those become

the signaling mechanisms for the rest of our body that are very important for health or ill health.

And then finally, we extract some more electrolytes and some more water and then we put it in the

toilet. What are short-chain fatty acids and butyrate and then why do we need them?

Yeah. Nutrition nerds are sometimes really inventive and sometimes they're very literal.

Short-chain fatty acids are literally just fatty acids that are real short. Most people have heard

of MCTs now. They're just like medium lengths of fatty acids. If you're counting them in a

microscope, there's a certain number and then they're short. And so the short-chain fatty acids

are mostly made by the microbiome. You don't really find them else in nature. There's microscopic

amounts in butter. There's microscopic amounts elsewhere, but they will be destroyed by your

stomach acid before they ever get there. And you have this sort of hippie community between the bugs

where this bug, you know, is like watching the children and then this bug is like, you know,

farming and this bug is like making the food and this bugs the cleaner like you have this whole

ecosystem down there where they pass nutrients off. And one of the big end products is short-chain

fatty acids of which there's six to seven depending, you know, maybe more depending on how you

want to characterize them. But the main three are acetate propaninate and butyrate. And we need all three,

but butyrate is the most anti-inflammatory. It's the most studied and the most systemic, meaning

approximately 90 percent of it is consumed right there in the microbiome by our colonisites,

which are basically the cells of the large intestine. They're metabolism, like their energy

production, their mitochondria, everything they do, they want to be butyrate metabolism. But the

other 10% goes systemic and it goes all over. You can find studies on asthma and low butyrate,

neurovigenerative disease, low butyrate, heart attacks, low butyrate. And then of course,

bones, low butyrate. So pretty much anywhere we look, if you have a chronic disease,

there's a component of low butyrate. What are the ways we can get butyrate into our system?

So the main way, like the idealized way that we would hope it works is that we are eating

a lot of fermentable fibers and vegetables and fruits and starchy tubers. All of those food groups

contain a lot of fermentable product in them that will not, we don't use it anywhere else in

the body. It goes down there to the microbiome and the microbiome creates a ton of butyrate from it.

We are now in a state where research suggests there was plenty of times in history where humans had

like 50 to 70 or 80 grams of fiber per day. We're now in a place where like if even if I did 80 grams,

I would be doubled over in extreme pain and bloating would be terrible. Now we're in a state where

we're trying to get to 30, like 30 to 50 would be like the ideal range. Most of us are like at 10,

maybe less, especially if we're doing some sort of elimination diet for GI distress or for other

chronic diseases. And we end up doing things like low fad map, low histamine or paleoautomune,

but we don't bring in starches anymore. These diets end up becoming

on accident, I think, just due to ignorance, like extremely low fermentable fibers that end up

causing dysbiosis and low butyrate. And so we got to shift the conversation back the other way

because we are in my opinion doing harm at this moment in time. If we stay on these diets longer

than three months and we don't support the mark by them. And you know, I know carnivore is a big

now for people, right? So maybe talk about the impact. I mean, it's kind of understandable that

now you don't have fiber in a card of or diet too. And yes, some people, a short term can see

relief and improvements from doing that. And it could be maybe a short term tool, but longer term,

you don't have the fiber, you're not getting the butyrate. What are the other impacts? You know,

they can come from that. A is bone coach Kevin Ellis. I want to take one more minute to talk about.

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inside very soon. Let's get back to the episode. In general, the farther you get away from

what is considered like diets that have assisted populations at a healthy level. So the more you get

to the fringe, I would say one end of the fringe is carnivore, the other end of the fringe is vegan.

The farther you get away from some version of moderation of, and I'm talking not Western diet,

I'm talking like healthy pull food like diets. The farther on those spectrums, you are risking

several things. Now, I would actually call both of those spectrums elimination diet because

you're essentially concentrating all your nutrients and your anti-nutrients as well as your

toxin load through one type of food substrate. That might feel fantastic for three months,

six months, nine months, but like I said, sure that you can talk all kinds of cool stuff about carnivore

and like the tons of nutrients that you might get from all this animal product in these nose

detail eating. And that's true, but you're also aggregating all the toxins from those animals as well.

And you're also in the process related to the microbiome, you're changing it drastically. And so

I think you're creating dysbiosis over there. On the vegan side, you're creating micronutrient

deficiencies that is absolutely known and that's absolutely well documented that your brain is going

to slow down. Your bones are going to be worse. There's significant issues on the vegan side.

And so, you know, I've been around long enough to see several fads. This is just another fad.

There's an important thing here, which is that I acknowledge that for many people,

it feels wonderful because it is a version of an elimination diet. It's the most extreme.

And you are killing off what is probably a very dysbiotic microbiome. You're cleaning up the sugar

in the kitchen right. There's no more sugar going in the kitchen. Like, you're totally changing

things down there. And that's probably really healthy for like eight weeks. And then you probably

should start thinking about what's going to happen next because long term, there's never been a vegan

society and there's never been a carnivore society. And there never will be because both diets have

extreme issues when it comes to long term health. So moving beyond just food to support good,

healthy gut, good overall health, good healthy bone health, and we get into supplementation.

Right. I know there are tools that we can use to help improve our gut health.

What are some of the tools that you like to see people using when they're focused on improving

their gut health? Well, I have come like a long way. Like, I've seen some of the fads have been

partisan of the fads. And so, for instance, like, I was part of like the probiotics or everything.

Now, I'm like, well, probiotics, like, we've taken more probiotics than ever. We have more issues

than ever. Clearly, probiotics are not the only thing. Maybe not even the first thing we should

focus on. So I've been trying to figure out recently, like, what is the first thing? Like, what are

the things that make sense for most people with gut issues? And the things from me are just doing

the basics of that organ. So is your stomach acid making enough stomach acid? Is your, do you have

enough digestive enzymes or have you through aging or through some sort of other injury or something

do you just not make enough enzymes to it? It doesn't matter how good your autoimmune paleo is

if you don't have enough enzymes. It just doesn't. And then lastly, also, I've been just really

focused on butyrate. I think butyrate is the key molecule of the gut. All my research continues

to lead back to butyrate that there is a connection in almost every part of the body, but also in

every layer of the gut. Like, everything you might want from the gut, like if you've heard of

something called leaky gut syndrome or leaky gut and testell permeability, it's not a good thing.

And it's associated with bone loss. It's also associated with a lot of other chronic diseases.

And I've been trying to unlock that for a long time. And there's lots of complex supplements out

there. But one thing we could do is just kind of do an end around and just supplement with butyrate,

stabilize the entire gut and bring the one nutrient that we're struggling to make. And then from

there, try to focus on the next layer up, which is that that hippy community is the is that

gut dysbiosis. Can we reformulate it to make it into a healthy microbiome again? And then can

you actually get the fermentable matter from your mouth down to the microbiome without having

pain, you know, without having constipation, diarrhea, bloating, whatever it might be. And so

from that perspective, I found a lot more success than I ever have in my entire career is starting

at the butyrate level, trying to rebuild the gut from there, from the formation of the bottom

up has worked a lot better for me than any other proche I've ever seen.

And how much butyrate do we need to support a good healthy gut?

Everybody's unique because everybody's diets unique. So like, you know, if you're eating rice or

white potato or sweet potato on a regular basis, like on a daily basis and you're having some

berries and some vegetable matter, like your butyrate status is going to be significantly better

than somebody who's not doing those things, who's having just like a handful of blueberries one

day and like a little kale in a blender and then like, oh yeah, potatoes on Fridays, like their

butyrate status is going to be a lot worse. And so for the people who are number one, you're struggling

with like a chronic disease, you're struggling with gut related issues, your need for butyrate

is probably going to be more. And then if your diet is just low,

infrementable matter, you're going to need probably more supplementation as well.

That looks like for our product, we may, I think the world's best be very product and we could

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So all your research is taking you down this path of butyrate is this key.

Chorchane fatty acid for gut health, we need it. And you develop the product. Let's talk about

what the product is, why you formulated the way you did, how it's actually working to help people

improve their gut health. Beat rates on a new concept. This is not like some revolutionary idea.

It's been around for like a long like 50 years, like a lot of people have known about it.

There was first generations. I like to talk about it like phones. So like there was first generation

flip phones and like walkie-talkie phones and stuff like Dex tells if people had those back in

the day. That was like the first generation of be rate supplements. They were called sodium

beta rate. And the promise of the research has been around for a long time. But the supplementing

with those CalMag beta rates and sodium beta rates for most people, including myself for a lot

of clinicians I talk to, they just don't reduce. Like the literature says we need this. And then in

practice, it just doesn't ever really work as it you had hoped. A few years ago,

tributarine, which is a different form of beta rate, started to make a comeback. It's been around

since the 90s. It's just a it's a fat molecule with butyric acid bonded to it versus sodium

and butyric acid bonded together. But some scientists started working with it and they figured out that

they could do some cool stuff with some enteric capsules. And enteric capsules are like the

difference between your first phones and your iPhone 15. So regular capsule like a gel cap or a

veggie cap, it'll be disintegrated in like three to seven minutes in your stomach. Like it is

like you're swallowing it. If you ever burped pills back up because you took too many like there's

a reason why like those pills hit that acid. They start opening. So certain compounds you really

need to protect from your stomach and butyric acid is one of those. There's gastroresistant pills

and those last about 45 35 to 45 minutes in your acid. But your food spends two hours

approximately in that acid state. And so we need a technology that can go much longer. And so

that technology is called enteric technology or enteric capsules enteric coating. So there's lots

of different ones. I was able to find a researcher in Spain who had been focusing his entire life

on this and he had cracked the code on making extremely pure tributarine and then finding a patent

pending enteric capsule to code it. And so we were able to license his creation, his invention

and bring it over here. And so it really is truly different than any other brand out there due

to the tributarine nature as well as the capsule technology. Fantastic. So if somebody is trying to

incorporate this into their plan, what does that typically look like? Are they? Do they have to eat

it with their food? Can they take it outside of their food or they take it at every single meal?

You know, are you taking it all at once in one big dose? All that kind of stuff. What are the

kind of specifics around it? K is Bonecoach Kevin Ellis. Thanks so much for turning into this

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you can actually find a link to my free bone healthy recipes guide. That's going to give you

access to some amazing and delicious recipes to support your journey to stronger bones. And then

also we have a link to my free stronger bones masterclass in the show notes too. And that is the

three step process that has helped people in over 1500 cities around the world get confident in

their plan for stronger bones. Over 110,000 people have taken part in this and it's been really,

really helpful for them. And I want you to have free access to it too. So add your name and email

right down there in the show notes. Get access to that free stronger bones masterclass. Let's get

you confident in your stronger bones plan today. Yeah. Well, the cool thing is is you'd be making it

24 seven. So you don't need to take it with your meals. It also has the Interic capsule which makes

it like a no smell. Nutric acid smells like deep vomit. It's like you don't you don't want to smell

it. So this capsule like locks it in because it's it's so good at keeping out moisture and air.

And so it's a really small gel cap arzus. It's almost like a D3. The size is like a D3 gel cap if you

use those. A lot of people who are just beginning this, they take it before bed because there's a big

line of research around deep sleep numbers and low beta rate. And so some people actually can notice

on their ore ring or their whoop band that their deep sleep numbers improve. If you're somebody with

a loose tools like I tend to think of like guts kind of like personality select some people's

personality goes towards cost of patient. Some people's personality their gut goes towards

loose tools and diarrhea. If you're on the loose tool diarrhea side like you can just start

loading the stuff up and you'll probably firm up your tools very quickly and you'll find a number

you know that number might be three per day might be four per day might be five per day where you

just having like really amazing hoops and you're really happy with how things are going. You're

paying it down all those things on the concentrated side. Our theory is that these people actually have

the worst amount of beta rate. They have the lowest amounts. And so they need to go slower. And so we

have them slowly every three days introduce a capsule. And then again they have like some pretty

cool spontaneous changes in their gut around two to three caps per day. I mean that usually takes

them like eight to 10 weeks. And so because beta rate is almost like magnesium or vitamin D for

the body. It's impacting legitimately almost everything in the gut. So it's making your mucus

membrane thicker. It's strengthening the tight junctions between your cells. It's making your

microbiome more diverse and thicker. It's actually increasing the amount of these antimicrobial

peptides that we release that help us with our gut immune system. It's like a weighted blanket for

mass cells. Massels are what release histamine. And if you're somebody with histamine intolerance,

you'll know what that is. But basically it helps soothe the mass cells. It almost everywhere where

you look, beta rate is doing something. And so I can't tell you what your family history is,

what your current status of your gut is. But it will help once you hit that right dosage.

That's fantastic. Well, I know you have generously given our audience a code for the product is

Tributornex. Tributornex. And it's code $15 off and free shipping. If you use the code bone

code, we're going to link down below in the show notes to this. But I love to hear like their

products that you probably have never even heard of or compounds you've never even heard of or

short-chain fatty acids that maybe you have heard of, but you didn't know how to apply it into your

plan. And this is a fantastic resource that Steven has put together and his company healthy gut has

put together. So if you were to summarize just the steps of somebody who's looking to improve

their gut health, obviously won't incorporate some butrate into your plan. But what are the kind of

step-by-step pieces that you would go through? I would say number one, if you're not having

gut-related issue, like you don't associate with like I have gut problems, you're like more like I

have osteoporosis or I'm just longevity focus, I would say your goal is to increase the amount of

colorful fruits and vegetables that you eat on a regular basis and don't forget to incorporate

starchy tubers and those are your potatoes and your rice and things like this because this is the

fuel for a healthy microbiome. And when you lose your microbiome, just like you lose your eye,

just like you lose your ovaries, your chestes, everything goes downhill. So anything you can do

to protect that microbiome by feeding it, the food it wants, that's going to help you age,

just going to help you have a better gut and a better life. If you can't tolerate those foods,

that means a few things. One of those things means that probably don't have the enzymes required

to break that food down and you might not have the stomach acid. So you can do an HCL challenge at

home, you can do enzyme tests with like our product or other products at home to see if it will help.

But at the end of the day, if you've already removed a lot of these foods because they hurt you

in some way or fashion, what I would encourage you to do is start with tributer next.

Rebuild your gut from that part forward. So you'll be helping heal any sort of intestinal

permeability you have. You'll be helping with the microbiome, all these different food reactions,

things like that. You'll be helping. And then from there, start building back up. So then check

on your enzymes, check on your stomach acid. Meanwhile, you're increasing the food treating,

you're having fermentable foods, you're having blueberries every day or whatever it might be.

So it's that later on in a few months, maybe six, 12 months from now, you can actually cycle

back off of the tributer X and just go through life with a higher fiber diet.

And for everybody listening, just to summarize again, in terms of the connection between gut health

and bone health, there's a major connection between the two. Obviously, your bones are a large

reserve of minerals. So you need to be absorbing those minerals in nutrients. If you don't have good

stomach acid, if you have blunted villi from celiac disease, or if you have some other chronic

digestive distress where you've got loose tools and constipation, there's a good chance there's

some absorption issues going on there that have to be addressed. So absorption is a big component

of that. Another big component that connects your gut health to your bone health is that 70% of

your immune system is in your gut. The cells have breakdown bone. You know, if we're stimulating

that digestive system in the immune system, that's going to speak in the same language as the

cells that break down your bone. It's going to increase that osteoclast activity. That's going

to reduce your bone density and your bone strength. So we don't want that to happen. We want to resolve

those digestive issues. Get them in check and healthy gut and Stephen writes company and tributer

and X can help you with that. So again, I'm going to link down to this link in the show notes.

And you use code bone coach. You'll get $15 off free shipping. Anything else you want to share,

Stephen? No, no, I think this is awesome to have this conversation Kevin. I just hope that if you

have questions about bone health, about the gut health stuff, reach out to my team, support

a healthy gut. We're a company that not only believes in building the best products in the world

or our niches that we enter, but also we have health coaches. All of our sports staff are

certified health coaches of one type or another. So you can call us, you can ask whatever question

you have about it. If you can try this or if you can't try this, they're also there to help you

with the dosing. If this was confusing or you're just wondering what's the best way for you,

we're very committed to helping people get individualized protocols because we think that's where

breakthroughs really happen. I love that. Well, for everybody listening, you can find all the

resources show notes mentioned at over at bonecoach.com. We'll link to this right down below this

episode in the podcast or wherever you're watching it. And I want to thank everybody again,

including Stephen's for your time. We'll see you in the next episode.

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