1740: The Hare Kṛṣṇa Mantra: Śrī Caitanya's Gift of Divine Love

When you read some of these books on, like, say,

Guiana Yoga, like, if you read books by Guiana yogis,

they generally speak of Guiana yogis,

like, this is the great yoga.

This is the heroism to achieve this goal,

to walk away from the world and achieve this.

This is the greatest accomplishment there is.

The bhakti yogis, they go to the Bhagavatama's evidence

that that is really just like a neutral state.

They even say things like that bliss,

actually, you don't really know what bliss is

when you say that that's bliss.

It's kind of more just a relief of suffering

that feels blissful.

The bliss of divine love is something so far beyond it

that you can't even calculate it.

And what Sri Caitanya is saying is,

I want everyone to feel that divine love

and I'm not concerned if you're qualified.

I'm not concerned if you're austere.

I'm not concerned if you're learning.

I'm not concerned about any of these things.

Well, how do we get it?

He said, you're saying, I don't have to be austere.

I don't have to be a renounce.

I don't have to be learned.

Well, how do I get it then?

Well, he's actually begging people to take it.

He's yours for the taking.

He's saying, all you have to do is chant this mantra.

Sometimes you see these deities of Lord Caitanya,

and they have their outstretched hands like this.

Here, here you go.

Take it.

So, Meshwar, please, you just take,

I'm just giving this to you.

Yeah.

I'm alive from Rishikesh at the foothills of the Himalayas.

This is Wisdom of the Sages, a boxy yoga podcast

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And senior educator of the Bokty Center, New York City,

co-stupidos, welcome to the show.

It's Tuesday, March 3rd, 2026.

It's episode 1740.

And it is the maha mahozav of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu,

the appearance day of Lord Caitanya,

celebrating it here.

We had a great celebration.

I thought we were fasting till moon rise,

but we ended up eating lunch at one point.

Because it's such a team, hardworking team effort here

that, that the interjunuous mind says,

this is, you know, if it's going to affect your service,

then we should eat.

And so he has everyone have lunch.

Oh, I didn't know that.

I have to eat here.

I appreciate practicality, but I didn't need to eat that.

I could have waited.

Well, but you had that invitation

so you didn't want to turn it.

Yeah, I didn't want to turn it down.

I thought, okay, that's what we do.

I can't remember myself as well.

But it was great.

We had a great time.

We ate lunch with maha rosh today.

I tell you this person, interjunuous Swami,

he is next level.

He just celebrated 50 years, the 47 years.

47 years of being a sannyas today.

It was his brain.

Imagine how many people in the world can say,

I've been a sannyasi for 47 years.

I don't know.

I'll tell you how many.

Okay.

Small hand.

Well, that I could usually become sannyas.

It's sort of like retirement.

Usually a little later in life.

Yeah.

So it's like you got 10 years before you die

or 15 years before you die.

So that means he was 29, 30 years old when he,

I don't believe when he took sannyas.

And unbelievable.

Anyway, a great, great night last night.

Well, the great night.

Yeah, the house huge party.

There were some people who were trying to

like cause him pain.

Maybe I don't know if we should get into that.

I won't get it.

Yeah.

Like Krishna worked it all out.

I'll Lord you turn to work it all out.

Some people are critical of the,

that people have talked about it.

Well, I'm just like, if I say that,

we should have talked about it.

No, no, no.

You're going to go into too much detail.

Are you sure?

No, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

No, I'm not sure, but it was a possibility.

It was a possibility.

I wasn't going to say that by my eyes as a desire,

it all worked out.

I'll Lord you turn as a desire.

I'll not stop the chanting of the holy name.

That's right.

The Chankhazi will go down.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

Or he'll surrender and that's what happened.

The police came and now you're getting into detail.

I said, okay, all right.

You thought that was, I thought that was good.

No, that is, that who came.

Yeah, you know, that's good.

I thought that it might be better.

I think that might be better to let the thing,

let the things work.

That's how it gets a good thing to talk about.

Glad those things worked their way out.

Anybody wants to reel in?

Well, you write me privately, privately.

I'll tell you what happens.

Maybe announcements.

Can we swish these?

It's not.

Prana Priya, are there any nows who hops?

There are some announcements.

Newspaper.

Amy Stellar was involved in it.

She wasn't involved.

She's an innocent, all right.

Oh, you know, we can saw something online.

Guess what?

The whole thing was snuffed out by Lord Chaitanya,

like in a serious way.

Shh.

All right, our next show is going to be next Tuesday

at the same time slot 630 AM Eastern time.

Today's Tuesday, it's going to be a week from now.

Yeah, a week from now and we'll be doing it live

from Super Soul Farm if I'll go as well.

Travel Bands work hard to believe.

If we go over there.

Yeah, and then also Rago has some events,

upcoming events going on in New Jersey, Long Island,

and New York City, the first weekend,

we're back March 13 through 15th.

If you go to raganat.yoga, to his events page,

you can sign up there.

Sign up on the mailing list, people.

Okay.

All right, Rago, events, things are happening.

Excellent.

Well, we are so happy to be part of this

Lord Chaitanya explosion commemorating the birth.

Do you know what how old Lord Chaitanya

would have been this year?

Well, the 500th anniversary was in 86.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, so then you were adding what, 40 years to that, 540?

Wow.

540 years.

I would like to see.

It's hard to understand if you try to equate it

with American history.

This was the time.

Just, I'm sorry.

Before we go, maybe we should ask people

to turn off their cameras because we had a lot of lag.

Are we getting glitchy?

Oh, glitchy?

Oh, okay.

I'm sorry, people.

It's all little glitchy going on.

Sorry, people.

Anyway, we try to understand.

I will say, if you like what we're doing,

if you like this philosophy, if you like this lifestyle,

if you think it's enhanced your life,

you should understand you owe it all to this person

who we celebrate today, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

When, yeah, if, go ahead, say, Rago, what makes me even

believe deeper in the past times of Lord Chaitanya,

is the quality and the character of the people

that were his followers, his biographers,

that people that walked around him.

Go swamis.

They were in their own right, Acharya's, masters, geniuses,

wizards, intellectual poets,

spoke multiple polyglots if I may.

You may.

I mean, polyglots.

You know, outstanding people who've renounced everything.

Yes.

They weren't just like these homeless poor fishermen

who met this man, this man is doing miracles.

They were so inspired by this person

that they had to drop everything.

I want to be with him.

I want to give up everything.

I want to step away from my career, my family,

my position, my wealth, prestige, prestige,

and just follow this person,

like so deeply touched and moved very similar

to what happened when Prabha met all these people

in the 60s and 70s.

People were just like, whatever I was doing before,

I'm following this man.

And we meet people like this again and again.

We meet people like this who are here at this festival.

Yeah.

People like Adi Karta.

And people are injured in the swami themselves.

They're just like whatever they were doing back then

in the 70s, they just said, now I'm going to follow this man.

And I'm going to give them every waking breath to this person.

And we've met so many Prabha potticepils like that.

But when Lord Caitanya came, it was the same thing.

And part of his whole story was this message

was going to be taught in every town and village

around the world.

We thought it was an analogy.

We thought it was like sort of exaggeration

and then all of a sudden it manifested.

And now we see at this festival, every town and village

is actually coming here in Rishikesh from all over the world.

And they are so inspired.

They're coming together and singing, and dancing,

and finding some depth and commonality lifestyle

with a frame out life.

And it's all due to the Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Yes.

Thank you.

We're living in a historic time.

This is a time where his, well, you know,

why don't we do this, Ragnatha?

I had a few verses.

We want to read Bhagavatam and continue

where we were leaving off, right?

Today.

But I'm very happy.

Well, that's OK.

Let's see.

Yeah.

So why don't I read this?

This may make a natural segue, or let's see where it goes.

OK?

But I thought, let's read just the first six verses

to the Caitanya Charter, Rita.

This text is, I mean, you could argue

that it's the most important text in Gaudi-Vaishnavism.

Yeah.

That grew out of Gaudi-Vaishnavism.

I suppose you could say Bhakti-Rasamrita Sindhu.

But I think really Bhakti-Rasamrita Sindhu

is largely inside the Caitanya Charter, Rita.

And so much more.

I think you'd have to say Caitanya Charter

Rita is the book that if you read this book,

you get the broad understanding of what

Gaudi-Vaishnavism is, of what the followers of Sri

Caitanya believe and teach and practice.

And it's very intentionally written.

It's Krishna's Kavirajya Goswami who

wrote it was such a, you know, his Kaviraj, he's a poet,

master poet.

And he is also just brilliant philosopher.

So everything is very carefully laid out

and substantiated with quotes from other references and so on.

But this is how he opens it up with six verses.

And the six verses describe two things

that he'll cover in more detail in the following chapters.

Is Sri Caitanya's internal reason for a coming

and his external reason, right?

So in other words, Krishna calms as Sri Caitanya.

He's got a reason that he's doing it for himself,

something that he wants to experience internally.

And he also has something that he wants to give,

something that wants to give externally.

And so these verses speak to both of those, OK?

Oh, Sri Caitanya goes in the direction, right?

All right.

So, Caitanya Chartamrita, Adi Lila, chapter one, text number one.

So this a biography of Lord Caitanya that probably

had translated, there's I think six biographies of Lord

Caitanya.

Not sure.

It's pretty impressive.

Whatever that.

And when you write a biography about somebody,

you go ahead.

That means this guy's doing something progressive.

Well, the people that wrote, you mean like the one

on David Lee Roth or that was impressive.

He was really impressive.

He was very impressive.

Whatever.

Something that it was going to, that people

want to read about.

So Lord Caitanya was doing things like mystical things,

deciphering, you know, a very complicated spiritual literature,

performing miracles, you know, creating sort

of a spiritual revolution in a country that was dominated

by conquistadors, they came from Spain, conquistadors.

That's just a general, I don't think it's like, quests.

I think it's conquistadors.

conquistadors.

conquistadors.

From dominated by canolies, various canolies,

writing horses and spears in their hands.

You know what I mean?

They're being dominated by foreign rulers, rulers.

Maybe we can just, I'm just a little worried.

I'm seeing things lagging so terribly in a camera.

Can you hear me?

Are we lagging right on the board, please?

That's our only form of communication.

Y'all are fine.

They say it's just a great idea.

All right, great.

So maybe we got a fast upload and a slow downloader.

Yeah.

OK.

Everything's OK.

You continue.

OK.

Huh?

Yeah, this looks crazy.

I mean, look crazy in person.

Looks very sane in person.

OK.

But for the rest of the world, he looks slightly insane.

I'm sorry.

OK.

Go on, consumer.

You're eager.

All right.

So here we go.

This is the very beginning of the Chaitanya Charter Rita.

I offer my respectful obeisances unto the spiritual masters,

the devotees of the Lord, the Lord's incarnations,

His planetary portions, His energies,

and the primeval Lord Himself, Sri Krishna Chaitanya.

That's the Panchatatva.

That's so complicated.

You break that down.

If I was to read that in my normal self,

I'd read that and be like, OK, I'm done with this book.

Let me find the next year.

Yeah, the first one is that.

But he goes on to explain what each of these means.

But this is talking about how God manifests

in many different ways.

When I was 22 and I read this, I'd be like,

I offer my respectful obeisances.

I would have put close to the book right there.

Like, what?

Did you offer them?

But this is one way that Chaitanya is worshiped

with his energies, with his expansions,

which is this planetary portion.

It means I'm not going to go and told it.

That's a whole class in itself.

But he manways, and he's worshiped that way in five features.

It's the Panchatatva.

Sri Krishna Chaitanya, Prabhu, Nithyananda,

Shri Krishna, Gadadhar, Sri Lassari, Gauravakta,

Prinda.

When we talk about God in Eastern, coming from Vedanta,

the idea is that he manifests his multi-ferious energies.

And they can manifest in a personified form.

And so these are varieties of ways

that Chaitanya manifests in his worship.

But now we'll move on.

I offer my respectful obeisances

under Sri Krishna Chaitanya and Lord Nithyananda,

that's in a sense his first incarnation, who

are like the sun and the moon.

They have a risen simultaneously on the horizon of Gauda,

it's a place in India, essentially Bengal,

to dissipate the darkness of ignorance

and thus wonderfully bestow benediction upon all.

What the Upanishads describe as the impersonal Brahman

is but the affordance of his body.

And the Lord known as the Super Soul

is but his localized plenary portion.

And in other words, he's Krishna.

Don't mistake him for somebody else.

Lord Chaitanya is the Supreme Personality

of Gauda.

He Christian himself, full of six opulences.

He's the absolute truth, and no other truth

is greater to or equal than him.

So he wants us to understand, don't think

that this person of Sri Caitanya is

anyway less than Krishna.

He absolutely is Krishna.

May the Supreme Lord, who is known as the son of Srimati

Sachi Devi, be transcendently situated

in the innermost chambers of your heart,

resplendent with the radiance of molten gold,

he has appeared in the age of Kali

by his causeless mercy.

Two, now this is the external reason why he appears.

Two bestow what no incarnation has ever offered before.

He's come in so many different ways

and done so many different things over the Yuga's.

But now he's given something he never gave before.

What is that?

The most sublime and radiant mellow of devotional service,

the mellow of conjugal love.

Now, yesterday we began the chapter in the Babutam

called the Gopis glorified the song of Krishna's flute,

in which we get to look into the heart of the Gopis.

See the world as they see it.

See Krishna as they see him.

That kind of love that they have, it's saying no incarnation

has ever came to give this before.

It's the most radiant sublime and radiant mellow,

the most sublime and radiant experience that I guess.

And he's come give it and he's one of his most

and I'm concerned for the qualification

of the people that he's to be because

feeling such a tense sense of compassion next first.

In the loving affairs of Shirada and Krishna,

the transcendental manifestations of the Lord's internal

pleasure given, I'm sorry.

The loving affairs of Shirada and Krishna

are transcendental manifestations of the Lord's

internal pleasure giving potency.

Although Rada and Krishna are one in their identity,

they separate in themselves eternally.

So we have Krishna and Rada.

Now these two transcendental identities

have united in the form of Krishna, Tanya.

It is Krishna, but he's entirely in the mood

to entirely experience in the internal feelings

that Rada Rani experiences, the love of Krishna.

I bow down to him who has manifested himself

with the sentiment and complexion of Shri Mati Rada Rani

although he is Krishna himself.

Desiring to understand the glory of Rada Rani's love,

the wonderful qualities in him that she alone relishes

through her love.

And the happiness she feels when she realized

the sweetness of his love, the Supreme Lord Hari,

richly endowed with her emotions appeared from the room

of Shri Mati Sachi Devi as the moon appeared from the ocean.

Okay, so those last two verses spoke about

his internal purpose for...

Now this is something that's just great,

you were describing these great souls

like the Six Goswami's and how special they were,

how incredibly qualified they were,

but how detached they were,

how they walked away from everything

to go deep into this life as a father of Shri Tanya.

This is what they're contemplating

and this is the stuff that they're writing books

and books of poetry about

and books and books of philosophy about

that think about...

Here's a conception of God, right?

Okay, God is all powerful.

We're all dependent on God.

That's a potentially scary scenario.

Here's a picture of God

that he's being loved by his devotees

and he's thinking, in a sense,

what he's thinking is they are better than me.

Look at what they're...

Look at the love that they...

I mean, what is a better quality

than someone than to be loving?

And he's saying they love me practically

more than I can love.

We discussed this a bit yesterday, I think,

that he's the one person in the world

that can't understand what to love,

the supreme object of love

because that object is himself to love God.

And so he looks at his love and says,

she's better than me.

She's experiencing something higher than me.

I need to know what it's like

to have her internal life.

I want to come and experience that.

So he comes to Shri Caitanya

and to experience the love that Rada Rada has.

And practically, he becomes a student

of her best friends, you know?

Lalita takes the form of Ramananda Raya.

Vashaka takes the form of...

Or I'm sorry, Lalita takes the form

of a Swarup Dhammara Goswami

and Vashaka takes the form of Ramananda Raya.

And he becomes their students.

Very interesting philosophy is it.

It's incredible.

It's like this very elaborate philosophy.

Yes.

And you know how I explain this in layman's terms, right?

I'm not sure.

I've never explained this to you.

It's, I think it's the best analogy ever.

Okay.

Is that Jiruganath created the best analogy ever?

That's one.

But when you're in the band,

you never know what it's like.

You don't even hear the beat.

You'll never know what it's like to be in the band.

The band actually enjoys more than the actual band.

Right.

Right?

Yeah.

And think about like when Elvis was in the Beatles,

girls were like faint.

They just go, ah, they just faint.

And he enjoys that they're freaking out like that.

But it's, but he's not fancy.

Yeah.

He's not in that much ecstasy.

Right.

There and more ecstasy.

I feel what it's like to be in the crowd.

Right.

And so he's asking those girls, so to speak,

Ramananda Roy, Srupp-Dominar Mara, Goswami.

Help me understand.

Help me understand this love.

Yeah.

That's, it's, it isn't interesting.

I don't know.

It's a pretty great analogy.

I don't know if that states the greatest analogy of all time.

You just be hungry.

No, I'm saying it is good.

Speaking humble, I want topmost analogy.

And so, but, but really think about that.

And in a sense, he said, put her mind.

Her heart is what I want to, didn't have friends.

And that's what he does.

He studies the poetry of the Bhagatam,

the poetry of great Bhakti Yogis like Chandi Das

and Jayadeva Goswami and stuff.

And through them so expertly knowing how

to stir up in him, the feelings that Rada has,

he begins to, to have this Mahabhav.

He, he, he experiences the most intense of all loves,

the love that Rada has for Krishna.

And the, the flips side of that love

is that when you, when you experience that level

of concentrated intense love,

the very pinnacle, the very peak of love,

when you turn back to the rest of the world,

it manifests as the very peak question.

And so, that's what the earlier verses were.

Where he's deciding what I'm feeling,

I don't think I want every to feel this.

I want everyone in the world I'm feeling.

And it's because, I guess it does get crazy.

Because if you look at Vedanta, which is the tradition

that he's appearing in, you might have

to be super qualified, you might have

to be very austere, very renounced, very learned.

You might even need to be born in a particular family,

et cetera, et cetera, to get the kind of access

to the teachings and the practices,

to be able to penetrate into the teachings of Vedanta,

be transformed by them.

And perhaps, after many lifetimes, achieving Moksha,

where you are no longer controlled by the modes

of material energy, no longer going through the material

ups and downs, you're experiencing

a deep blissful state of peace, right?

So that is like a huge accomplishment,

something incredibly difficult to achieve,

something that requires a very high level of qualification.

And when you achieve it, when you read some of these books

on, say, Gyanioge, like if you read books by Gyanioge's,

they generally speak of Gyanioge's like,

this is the great yoga.

This is the heroism to achieve this goal,

to walk away from the world and achieve this.

This is the greatest accomplishment there is.

The bhakti yogis, they go to the Bhagavatama's evidence

that that is really just like a neutral state.

They even say things like that bliss,

actually, you don't really know what bliss is

when you say that that's bliss.

It's kind of more just a relief of suffering

that feels blissful.

The bliss of divine love is something so far

beyond it that you can't even calculate it.

And what Shri Caitanya is saying is,

I want everyone to feel that divine love.

And I'm not concerned if you're qualified.

I'm not concerned if you're austere.

I'm not concerned if you're learned.

I'm not concerned about any of these things.

Well, how do we get it?

He's saying, you're saying, I don't have to be austere.

I don't have to be a renounce.

I don't have to be learned.

Well, how do I get it then?

Well, he's actually begging people to take it.

It's yours for the taking.

He's saying, all you have to do is chant this mantra.

Sometimes you see these dudes, Lord Caitanya,

and they have their outstretched hands like this.

Here you go.

Take it.

So, Meshwar, please, you just take, I'm just giving this to you.

Yeah.

And we're like, I don't wanna, I got a better idea.

The more that we understand really what's happening,

when we understand we're gonna start to tear up

and say, oh my God.

And then we're gonna chant this name

with the kind of appreciation and gratitude

that will really manifest in deep ways.

So, we always wanna contemplate that mercy of Sri Caitanya.

What he's really doing, you know,

that he's sending Nitsananda to go out into the marketplace

to beg people.

He's down on the ground.

The place means like the mall.

You know what I mean?

There's nowadays, he's called the mall.

He's a shopping area.

Yeah.

They just take this mantra.

Grabbing people's, just ordinary people.

Grabbing them by the feet, humbling himself,

begging them, please take this mantra.

Just please, just chant this.

It's so simple, you know.

That's the kind of mercy we're giving.

And we live in the age where that burning desire,

Sri Caitanya, that this spread all around the world

is cracking open.

You know, it's crack, the, you know, the fick crack,

you could say, we're sure about coming to the West.

And I think the next big crack is,

we're practically on the verge of the opening of

the identityarium, which is for prophecy,

the temple from which Bhakti will spread throughout

the whole world.

We're right on the cusp of that.

Now, some of us haven't experienced

Ananda or this high level bliss we're talking about.

But a lot of us, having Bhakti in our life,

a lot of our material distress has gone down.

A lot of our material anxiety has gone down.

A lot of times we can see things in perspective

in a greater plan.

A lot of times we're coming to this philosophy

and lifestyle, we've given up bad habits.

We've learned better habits.

We started negotiating with people

would bring us a little higher,

help you a little bit more connected

with times or dark.

So in a lot of ways,

maybe we haven't hit some,

there is like a joy we feel just in a new lifestyle.

No doubt, no doubt.

Yes, yes.

We're trying to pre-agreese wholeheartedly.

Are you done with yours?

I don't read something too.

Please.

Okay, these are the prayers of Shiksastikam.

You know, I'd love to get a overview

of where they actually came from.

Because, what are you trying to get

and explicitly write them down in this order?

I think previous masters came and hand selected them

in a particular order.

Okay.

But here's the first one.

You know what I call this first?

I don't.

I call this the you are here.

Like when you go to a map and it says you are here,

like that's the direction it gives you,

which is north and south.

It gives you, okay, where is that landmark?

It gives you basically the direction

and how to navigate your way through a town or village

or exactly where are we?

Here's where you are.

I'll go over to Sri Krishna, San Kirtan, right?

They're coming together and singing up the holy name.

What does it do?

It cleanses the heart of all the dust accumulated

for years and it extinguishes the blazing fire

of conditional life.

When I first read that, I was like,

oh yeah, I'm well familiar with that.

The blazing fire of material existence.

Has anybody ever felt like that in their life?

Well, guess what?

This San Kirtan mission of Chaitanya

extinguishes that blazing fire

and some of us can raise our hands say it has

or it's doing it.

And what's the conditional life?

Is the conditional life of repeated birth and death?

This San Kirtan movement is the prime benediction, right?

It's the number one super auspicious, wonderful thing

that's happening right now.

It's not like, well, I got tickets for the day tone

to 500, oh, that's nothing.

I got tickets to the World Cup.

I got, you know, my kid graduated with all,

those are great things.

This is the prime benediction for humanity at large.

Why?

For it spreads the rays, where are we?

The San Kirtan movement.

The San Kirtan movement.

Of the benediction moon.

That's like a charming way of saying of God.

It spreads the teachings of God.

When you translate it like that.

Is this a poetic way of saying it spreads the rays

of the benediction moon?

Yeah, right.

What would you say that means, right?

Well, yeah, I would translate that, sir.

You mean, and what is it referring to?

Yeah, what does it mean?

The mercy of Sri Caitanya.

Okay, spreads the rays of benediction moon.

Okay.

It is the life of all transcendental knowledge, right?

So we see, like, again, there's a big thing in India,

being pundits, being gianny yogis, being scholar,

Sanskrit scholars, and academia, academia shians, perhaps.

Okay.

Right?

And all of a sudden, it can become real boring, real quick,

real boring, real quick, some of this stuff,

unless you're really a great intellectual.

But even if you are intellectual,

this is the joy of it.

This, San K, and you know when you can experience that joy,

if you come tonight to the Kirtan.

The Kirtan's tonight just give you so much joy.

Huh?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

It is the life of all transcendental knowledge.

It increases the ocean of transcendental bliss,

not just fun, of transcendental bliss.

And when I first read this line, it was really powerful.

And it enables for us to fully taste the nectar

for which we are always anxious.

It almost seems like no matter what I do in this world,

I'm just like, well, when am I gonna just like enjoy it?

Is it, I'm a, when is it actually gonna,

it's gonna go caching and now I'm like fully enjoying it.

Or if I do enjoy it, it's just for a moment.

How do I get that back?

And it's just, it's the Jeeva's deep search

for trying to enjoy the material world,

which doesn't work because my body is tasting,

my tongue is tasting, my ears are tasting.

You know, my adrenaline is feeling something,

but the soul is not quite getting it.

And when the soul gets fed,

we don't even have to do so much or go so many places.

We can even just sit there till they meet in front of Priya.

Our whole morning program today, just sat by the gonga.

Sat by the gonga, that was it.

And I felt like I'm fully satiated.

Okay.

And I'm with this person, this wonderful person

who thinks this is all so a great thing.

New things is a great thing.

And here we are just sitting by the gonga,

sitting on this bank of sand, watching the river flow.

And look at you too.

And look at us.

And there was a bunch of drunk guys.

I don't know if they were drunk.

They were either very happy or drunk,

but I immediately, I immediately like got a little, you know, protective.

I had a little carrying bag and I slipped a rock in it.

I was like, if I'm going to go down,

because we were isolated, if someone was going to attack us,

or I'm going to have, I think you're,

nah, you know, man, have to do that.

Or women, people have to figure out how to protect themselves.

No, I just don't, I don't know if there's danger there.

You know what?

You got to look out.

You got to look out, right?

Sure.

I wasn't, I wasn't like looking for trouble.

Be with a lady alone on a beach like nobody around.

Completely isolated.

You did the right thing, right?

I picked up a weapon, I picked up a weapon.

Come on.

But it was, it was beautiful.

And it was like, it was actually deeply joyful.

Then you're just offering prayers to the gonga.

Then we chanted the gonga stochrome.

Then we chanted prayers for our people

that we love to be deeply connected.

And whatever times they're going through,

it was like a magical morning.

Wonderful.

Wonderful.

So this is the, this is the, the,

the Eunice Pier Spiritsol.

Yeah.

The Spiritsol.

The layers of muck, grime, blackout curtains,

the light gets extinguished in the material world.

To the degree that I identify with the body is the self,

my occupation is myself, my wealth is myself,

my beauty is myself, et cetera.

Then I'm always in constant anxiety.

Gonna lose my beauty, gonna lose my wealth,

gonna lose my health.

And eventually the world is anxiety and then we die.

Here we have a process of scrubbing that consciousness.

We start to see, oh, wait a second, I'm none of those things.

I just assumed those things.

People told me I was those things.

People have sold me that you are these things.

People have coaxed me to say, hey, this is your identity.

And now it's saying, no, no, none of them is yours.

What are you?

Your pure spiritual being.

Well, my Harry Krishna, you're not even a Harry Krishna dude.

You are a pure spirit soul.

You can call whatever you want,

but that is your real identity.

And that's the identity of everybody in this world.

When you start to see yourself like that,

you see yourself as much bigger,

even much bigger than a particular religion.

You just see yourself as what you actually are,

pure spirit soul.

And that starts to mitigate

and make the fire material existence just diminish.

That's where we are.

That's the you are here verse.

I think that.

Yes, I do.

Beautiful verse.

Thank you.

It's not mine, Lord Jatani.

But that analogy you had earlier, that was yours.

That was all mine.

Are we doing a full shikshasaka reading?

Are we doing a half do?

We don't have to, but it is Lord Jatani's day.

You want it to be your day today?

No, I'm not trying to claim the day.

I was just trying to figure out what our agenda is here to be.

What do you think about this one today, Kastuba?

Oh, Lord, your holy name alone

can run your all benedictions to living beings.

And thus you have hundreds and millions of names

like Krishnan Govinda.

Now, let's stop right there.

Some people just say,

you should only chant the Harry Krishnamontra.

You hundreds of millions of names.

Now, in our lineage, we chant the Harry Krishnamontra,

but there's a lot of people chant transcendental mantras.

Okay.

So, what do you think about that?

You have hundreds and millions of names.

Why are some people so bent on just chanting Harry Krishnam?

I think because this was Lord Jatani instructed his followers

to do that.

They might have something to do with it.

Might be?

Yeah.

Well, he never chanted the Mahamantra.

He did.

Well, he never publicly wrote it in a book.

Well, he wrote, he sang, he didn't write it.

He said, he said,

chant, Harry Krishnam,

Harry Krishnam, Krishnam, Krishnam,

Harry Rama,

Harry Rama,

Rama Rama,

Harry, Harry.

And sometimes you can't chant,

Harry, I'm gonna say that.

Yes.

Okay.

And he said,

Harry,

then he said also if you want to, you can chant this too.

Okay.

Yeah.

Why are we pushing that?

We don't have to because the first one was the essential one.

But they hear he's saying that he's also said other things.

Like there's hundreds of millions of names

like Krishnam and Govinda.

Yeah.

What do we chant that?

Because are you okay with that?

Are you okay with that?

Because he instructed us,

particularly to chant the Harry Krishnam on mantra.

But he's also here instructing us.

Well, no, he's not there many.

That's not the prescription that he's giving for this yoga.

He's glorifying his name.

He's glorifying his name.

He can bring benedictions to all of him beings.

Yeah.

Unless you have hundreds of millions of names.

Like Krishnam and Govinda.

Okay.

I don't understand why you've pressed me on this point.

Just because some people are just really against chanting

other mantras besides Krishnam.

Well, Pralpada was one of those people.

So we can get into all of that.

You want me, you want to understand my thoughts on that?

Yeah.

It's something that I'm researching.

Are you?

Yeah.

Because you love doing this.

I'm appreciate it though.

You like to, you know what you are?

You're the great excavator.

You like know that.

You take things in a wonderful way.

You try to get to the bottom of it.

You're a secret truth.

Well, just because exactly because the question

that you're asking, I asked that question myself.

Okay.

And what have you found?

Well, I'm not there yet, but I'm working on it.

But you know, sometimes we hear that Pralpada disciples

would chant other mantras, like saying Kirtan.

Right.

And we hear testimonies from people that were there

that Pralpada became very upset.

Okay.

So now why is he upset?

That's what I want to know.

I don't, I appreciate someone coming and telling me

that he got upset and then they say, so don't do it.

But it will mean a lot more to me

if I can understand why was he upset?

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

He could be just mildly upset.

Like, I didn't want to hear this today.

Or he could have been like, no, this is...

Well, apparently they're directive.

The eyewitness accounts were like that.

He became quite disturbed that his, you know,

there's language that, you know,

they're just picking up any mantra in Vrndavana

and chanting and et cetera.

Now here's a thought on mine that I really want to pursue.

Sure.

And this goes back to what I shared on the show

back in December, a bit,

that there are, in the 15th century,

essentially there are kind of four,

four raw bhakti lineages in Vrndavana, right?

Four ecstatic figures that each developed followers,

that were each onto something special,

that they were, it was something

that hadn't really been revealed widely before,

that not only is they done to the truth

and can lead to Moksha,

which is kind of, if you go back to Shankar Charis time,

that's the message.

Then that gets churned more by the great Vaishnava Charis,

like Ramanujan Madva, no, there's more than that.

More than Moksha is bhakti, right?

It's divine love.

And then that gets churned more in the 15th century.

It's always been there in Vedanta,

but it was being revealed openly

that the love of the residents in Vrndavana

is something's still more,

something's still more concentrated,

something's still more special.

And that's what reading,

that's what we read yesterday,

if you're listening to yesterday's show.

Yes, and so, all,

so you have these four lineages,

one coming from Swami Haridas.

Swami Haridas is Nimbharka,

that's the Bunki Bihari.

Bunki Bihari.

That's all these great,

the Tiestan, all these great temples in Vrndavana.

Hit Hari Vamsa.

Hit Hari Vamsa?

Yes.

Well, they also called Mahaprabhu.

They call it quite a few people Mahaprabhu,

they call Valabhacharya.

Mahaprabhu as well.

So, so those are the three other ones.

And of those three,

only one of them even deals with Vedanta,

and that's Valabha.

The other two, they write songs,

and they're followers sing those songs,

and through those songs,

they cultivate the feelings of devotion

of Brijabhakti through reading those songs.

Now, what I'm zeroing in on,

is that of those four, Valabha,

hit Hari Vamsa.

Swami Haridas and Sri Caitanya.

All four appear in Vrndavana in that same period of time.

Very interesting, huh?

Very interesting,

that of those four, only one,

has this burning desire to share this with the whole world.

And that's Sri Caitanya.

If you take some of the Hit Hari Vamsa,

he's a Brijbhasi.

He's singing about the feelings that the Brijbhassas have.

He's accepting, I could read you other verses

towards the beginning of Caitanya Charaktan Rita Word.

Krishna's Kaviraj, he begins to explain

what this rock bhakti really is.

It means that Krishna's saying,

when people love me with reverence

and they follow all the rules to please me,

that's nice.

It's good.

But it doesn't move my heart.

It doesn't capture me.

The way it does when someone loves me with this intimacy,

but like with this Brijbhandavan, Raga.

So, like, you know, the stories that we told,

like, you know,

Brahmins are chanting these Vedic mantras,

glorifying Krishna.

Okay, very nice.

Very beautiful.

But it's not capturing his attention.

Whereas the Gopis, they're not chanting his glories

like that.

They're criticizing him.

They're arguing with him.

They're getting stassy with him.

Getting stassy teasing him.

Yeah, feeling insulting him practically.

Yeah.

And not only does that capture his attention,

he's holding on to them.

They're trying to run away from him

and he's holding on to them.

So, the power of this kind of intimate love

is what's glorified in Raga Bhakti.

And so, they're kind of saying,

like, we're not so interested

in all the Vedic regulations.

You might have injured Puri,

who's kind of like the predecessor Shri Caitanya,

the first one really bringing this rug into this lineage,

you know, he has this famous pair, you know,

morning bath, I bid you a do.

That represents the Vedic regulations, you know,

begins with the bath and it leads to so many of regulations,

like how the Brahminas live.

He's saying, those things madly in the Krishna now,

those rules, they don't govern my life anymore.

What governs my life?

Is this Raga, is this intense love?

And so, they're not concerned with being Vedentans.

Shri Caitanya is the only one among them.

He's saying, this special love,

I want the whole world to get it.

And they're not qualified to get it.

I'm going to create a path for them to achieve it.

And I'm going to start to give it out for free.

This is incredibly rare, incredibly merciful,

because normally you'd have to practically take birth

as a bridge bossy to understand this kind of love.

Right, we see the Shri Caitanya

when he was his follower, Jagannanda Pundit,

is living with Shri Caitanya in Puri.

And he's saying, I want to go to see Vrndavana.

I've never seen Vrndavana in my life.

Can you please give me permission to go to Vrndavana?

He wouldn't do it without Shri Caitanya's permission.

And Shri Caitanya says, no, I don't think

you should go to Vrndavana.

Why not, you know, you will not understand

the mood of the bridge bosses.

You won't understand their mood, right?

You would go there and say, they're not following

all the regulations.

I don't know about these people.

He's saying, you don't understand their raga.

You don't understand their love better that you don't go.

And eventually, Jagannanda Pundit goes to Shri Caitanya.

Go, swami, could you speak to him?

I really want to see Vrndavana.

So Shri Caitanya says, could you maybe give permission

to Jagannanda Pundit and he does give him permission,

but he says, you go there.

You do not, you don't stay for very long.

And you don't leave the side of San Angoswami

the entire time that you're there.

Someone who does understand, whose insight and devotion

is so deep that he does understand.

So there's a lot of caution given to one,

not criticizing the bridge bosses and their mood of love

that is ignoring beta regulation and two, not to imitate it.

And two, not to imitate it because then it's kind of like

your adopt, it's kind of like, hey, I'm already in the fit.

It's like someone walking into your house and saying,

hey, walking into your bedroom, hey, it's me.

You know, like you haven't been born in Vrndavana.

You don't have access to that intimacy.

You can't just pretend that you haven't.

And so we don't imitate the bridge bosses.

We don't criticize the bridge bosses.

That's our policy.

And so Sri Caitanya says, but even though you're not born

as a bridge bossy, I want to give you everything that you need

so that even though you don't even have any qualification

for it, how many people are born bridge bosses?

If you count all the beings in the universe,

it's the odds are really, really, really low.

It's the rarest of people.

And they all work at the New Delhi Airborne,

you know, I'm from Motora.

I'm from Motora, I'm from Motora.

So, so, so it would be wrong for us to that cheaply to just

watch us like one of these bridge bosses

and let me chant some of their mantras.

And those might, Sri Caitanya also taught his path.

He taught something different than the other three paths.

Where you're going with all that stuff?

All right, all right.

All right.

I'm going to off those brews.

We're going to be waiting for my people having you.

I've been dying for you.

But, but, but, but another really important factor.

This is also, I'm questioning Vaishnava's,

I'm researching this.

Sri Caitanya also taught something

that those other three great, we have reverence

for all of these great souls,

but these other lineage founders didn't teach.

And that was approaching Radha Krishna

and approaching Radha Mark in the mood of separation, right?

And now when I look, they didn't have that mood of separation,

that's just exclusively a Mahaprabh.

I'm not saying they don't touch it at all,

but it practically not.

That's not their thing.

Sri Caitanya, it's all about his thing.

You know, you read the second chapter

of the Caitanya Charter and read the Majalila.

And Krishna has Kaviraj.

He's afraid that he's not going to live to finish the book.

And so he's saying, I need to talk about

what's happening in Jagannath Puri,

the intense, Majalila is pretty much,

Adi Lila is like philosophy

and then a little bit of his early days.

But because that was so well covered

in the previous biographies,

he doesn't spend a lot of time on it.

Majalila is his travels all over India.

Anjali Lila is when he settles down in Jagannath Puri.

Majalila means middle.

Anjali means like the end.

The end.

And it's especially in the end that he achieved

the goal of digging servicing

in the love that Rada Rani experiences.

That's what he experiences in the Gambira,

in his cave in Jagannath Puri.

So fearing that he wouldn't live to tell about that,

he writes a chapter, the second chapter

of the Caitanya Charter,

which is Majalila, he pulls it in a sense

where it doesn't belong.

And he says, I may not live, I need to share this.

But he begins to describe the ecstasy of Sri Caitanya.

His feelings of separation.

When he's having intense bodily transformations,

like wild stuff, you know,

like his teeth are practically falling out.

His body is shaking incredibly,

it's elongating, it's compressing, it's,

he's, we don't, and I say this with respect,

we don't hear that about these other great

Raghbhaktas in Brindavan.

We hear that they had incredibly beautiful deep devotion.

But my understanding is that because this was Krishna

himself experiencing Raghda's love,

which is not just Prima,

but is this Maha, supreme level of conjugal love

that he's having this most intense physical experience.

And that's also what's driving his intense compassion, right?

Because he's experiencing not just Raghbhaktas,

but Raghda's Raghbhakti.

He's got intense physical transformations,

he's feeling the love more intense than anyone.

And therefore he's feeling compassion more intense than anyone.

So where the other three weren't so concerned

about sharing the whole world, he was.

And in sharing with the whole world,

he knows he has to give something

to people who are not qualified and he does something

and this is something I really want to search.

Rather than write his own song,

he's done that, right?

He could have said,

now sing these songs and you will feel I'm feeling,

which is largely what the others did.

He said, instead I'm going back to Vedanta

and he finds the heart of Krishna Maha Munchra.

And the heart of Krishna Maha Munchra,

you might just, other scholars are going right over it

and not realizing just how special it is, he highlights it.

And he says we understand that this heart of Krishna

that this heart of Krishna is Rada and Krishna.

And the composition is essentially

a rasa lila dance going on there,

that all of Rada's Prima is inside that mantra, right?

So this is not an ordinary thing.

And he's saying, there's other theories

I don't want to claim these,

I haven't researched them enough.

Have you ever heard people say that,

well, when you see the Maha Munchra

in the Upanishads, it's the other way around.

It starts with the heart of Rama, Rama, Rama, Rama, Hare.

Now I've heard this, I can't,

it's something I want to research.

I don't want to say it's a valid explanation, maybe.

But they say, Sri Caitanya flipped it

because the Vedic Munchra is meant to be chanted

only by Brahminas.

So by flipping and everything that's in it is still in it,

but anyone can chant it now.

Very interesting, right?

Interesting, I'm going to research that one.

Yeah, so now he's got this formula

and he says, by his grace, you chant this Munchra,

you'll experience what he's experiencing

and anyone can do it.

And so, and in that chapter,

Krishna's Kabirajah is like really explicit in saying,

I am being very careful to share exactly what I've heard.

I'm not adding anything.

I'm not leaving behind anything.

I'm being really accurate.

And he says, if one reads this chapter over and over again,

you will understand the love that Rada has for Krishna.

So like, it seems like it's saying, okay, everybody,

there's a huge sale going on.

You have an opportunity to get something

that's ridiculously valuable for practically nothing.

Simply chant this Munchra, follow it as it's laid out

by Sri Caitanya and you can achieve this high school.

But what we do is we imitate the bridge bosses.

We imitate that qualification that we don't have.

And I think that's why I probably was so upset.

That's my theory.

Yeah, like that.

Okay, are we out of time?

Yeah.

Are we out of time?

I like that though.

But we had a good conversation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When we say conversation, we mean,

because Stu would be talking, let me just shed nice.

I don't think so.

Thank you, Stu.

I like that.

I like that.

Sorry.

Yeah, I'm sure you haven't got it.

All right, people.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, people.

Thank you.

All right, people.

Thank you.

You.

You.

I'm sure you haven't got it.

I'm sure you haven't got it.