182: Voices of Courage with Ken D. Foster and guest Gary Zukav

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1:28Well hello and welcome! Today is an amazing day to transform, our thinking, our lives, and step into joy, abundance, and happiness like ever before. If you just join me, I'm Ken D. Foster, and I am the host here at Voices of Courage. Welcome to you and everyone. Everyone of us will experience loss. Sometimes it's loss of a loved one, sometimes it's lost a relationship, a career, our health, a dream. Sometimes it's somebody close to us, but all of us are going to go through loss. What if these endings aren't simply tragedies? What if these endings are really awakenings that we are being invited to step into? One of the deaths of the ego, the identities, fears, and illusions we've carried throughout our lives

2:36is actually the beginning of a great freedom. Most of the time when we think of death, we think of loss, we think of grief, we think of anxiety, maybe, or stress. But today we're going to explore the deeper side of death. We're going to explore some of the mysteries of death, not only physical death, but also psychological and emotional deaths that occur throughout our lives, the death of certainty, the death of control, the death of old beliefs, old identities, old ways of living that no longer serve us. These moments can feel frightening, yet often they become the doorway to greater authenticity, compassion, wisdom, and love. Well, listen, few people have illuminated the journey with more clarity than my guest today. I'm bringing him on. Gary Zoukof, welcome to the show. Thank you, Ken.

3:38You that don't know Gary. Gary is one of the world's most influential spiritual teachers, and New York Times bestselling author of the seat of the soul, the groundbreaking book that inspired millions of readers around the globe. His teachings on authentic power, emotional awareness intuition, intention, and spiritual growth have truly transformed the way people understand themselves in our relationships and so much more. Gary, I'm really glad to have you here today. This is an important day for me. And as you know, one of our good friends and one of my mentors past today, so it's, I think it's very timely that we're speaking about death. Yes, Ken. Death is always a timely topic. And I appreciate you're saying all those beautiful things about me. Can you imagine why a book that I was part of writing could have become so popular,

4:49so fast the book is called the seat of the soul. And it millions of people have read it. Is it because I'm a brilliant writer? I'm a capable writer. I love writing, but that's not the reason. The reason is that there is a new consciousness that is emerging throughout the human species. And this book was about that. And that's why there was so much interest in it. And there still is interest in this new consciousness. And that's why I'm delighted. Not delighted as the right word gratified. I'm enjoying Ken talking with you because I feel that you're aligned with this new consciousness. And that's what I feel we will be exploring whenever we explore things like death, loss, tragedy, because from the perspective of the new consciousness, these are all

5:51imagination. They don't really exist. So you can say, well, wait a minute. I mean, my grandmother just died. She's gone. And that hurts. Both of those are true. But what is it that's gone? From the perspective of the new consciousness, a life doesn't begin a human life, it doesn't begin at birth, and it doesn't end at death. From the perspective of the old consciousness, a life in the old school is a book. And your birth is the beginning and your death is the end. But from the new consciousness, from that perspective, your life is a chapter. And the book belongs to your soul. And this chapter began when you were born. But what does that mean? From the perspective of the old consciousness, it means there's a random combination of

6:51genes and chromosomes and passion and are accident. And whatever it is that brought parents together, from the perspective of the new consciousness, none of that is chance. All of it is meaningful, deeply meaningful. And your birth was the entrance of an incarnation of an immortal soul. And that incarnation is you. It has your name, it has your birthday, it will have your death day. And the incarnation that is you will disappear. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. But the energy that incarnated, the energy that animated that incarnation is immortal. Let's call it a soul, your soul. You can say you are a powerful and creative, compassionate and loving spirit. And at the same time,

7:56you are immortal, you are immortal personality. This is itself the new consciousness. If I ask somebody with the new consciousness, are you more than a body and a mind? I'll ask you, can, are you more than a body and a mind? It's rhetorical in your case, it's evident. And that's the case with billions of people now. If I ask that same question to someone with the old consciousness, are you more than a body and a mind? They'll look at me with puzzlement, if they're a kind person. And they'll say, what else is there? That's the difference between the old consciousness and the new. It is huge. It is as big as the difference between a planet and a galaxy. And there's no way that you can communicate much less describe and experience that you're having as a part of the new consciousness with someone who's still confined to the old consciousness. Because the old consciousness is limited to the perceptions of the five senses.

9:00And it understands power in the own way that it can, which is the ability to manipulate and control. And that understanding of power is more than obsolete. It's now toxic. It used to be our good medicine. Now it's poison. It's external power. And the pursuit of external power now produces only violence and destruction. These are the most important distinctions between the new consciousness and the old consciousness. And by the way, I would like to say at the outset that I don't expect anyone listening to believe what I am saying or sharing or take it as so because I share it. I, in fact, I would suggest that you not do that with anyone just because they're famous, they're an athlete, they're a movie star, they've got a big congregation. Instead,

10:00take anything that you resonate with into your life and try it out for yourself. See what it produces. And if you like what it produces in your life, experiment some more. And if you don't, now let it go. Don't try to wear a shoe that pinches. So what I'm sharing with you is my experience. It's what I know. But my perspective is a very small one. It's all from through the lens of the incarnation that is Gary Zukov. And in my case, I can share the highest reach, my best reach for the highest truth that I could attain or experience. And in my case, that reaches in included contact with the angelic world. But everyone's who is listening to this podcast is experiencing the new consciousness. And those who aren't.

11:08But this is the situation is temporary within the next generation and a half. I feel that everyone will be multi-sensory. The new consciousness. Okay, house radio. This nation, I make you feel good. Shop vans and Albertsons for fresh savings every time you shop. This week at vans and Albertsons, get fresh, boneless, skinless chicken breast for £199 per pound limit 10 pounds. And locally grown grape-a-re cotton candy grapes are £299 per pound with digital coupon. Plus 24 packs of Canada dry are 7-up 12-ounce cans are £499 limit one with digital coupon. Enjoy fresh and delicious savings for every meal. Hurry in, these deals won't last. Visit vans or Albertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. Kitchen and bathroom professionals know what goes behind the tile

12:09matters. That's why trade pros trust Fiber cement, party backer board to keep tile firmly in place, resist cracking and help block moisture. Chosen in over 40 million kitchen and bathrooms, party backer board, what the best build on. Shop now at participating Home Depot, Lowe's and floor into core stores. For more information visit jameshardy.com slash hardy backer. I think the you know the old consciousness if you're listening to this and you're wondering well am I in the old consciousness or the new consciousness. The old consciousness and I just speak from my experience left left symptoms of stress, anxiety, health challenges,

13:12people coming into my life that were definitely not aligned with with with me. Anger, resentment, living a life of fear, a worry, concern, stress, always striving, pushing, driving, always trying to do the next thing, not feeling good enough ever. Those are symptoms of the old consciousness that I lived before I started to study self realization and really realize what sub actualization self realization is about. And of course it's from my point of view it's this hardware. The the ego must come under the control of the soul as opposed to the flip side of that where the ego is driving. Egos are usually fear based and from my point of view. And ego it's nothing we

14:16can see taste touch or feel. It's just that consciousness that we bring into this world that limits us, limits us tremendously. So I want to I want to kind of explore a little bit, Gary, is the to get to the new get to get to the consciousness that we're talking about. All right. What does it take? What does it take to get there? You know, and everybody's a little different here, but yeah, what's your experience? It's a gift. You don't have to reach for it. You can't acquire it. You are it. It is it is emerging in billions of people. My guess would be about half of us. That would be four billion people. And really have the new consciousness. Well, I can say

15:16this that all of those things that you talked about, anger, judgment, resentment, always striving, needing to get ahead. I would in this for me, I feel it's more accurate to say these are parts of my personality. There's separate parts. From the old consciousness of personality is a is a whole. Sometimes it's angry, sometimes it's happy. But from the new consciousness, you can see that your personality has many different parts. Some of them originate in fear. Those are the experiences some of that you've mentioned, anger, jealousy, resentment, competitiveness, anger, overwhelm. And they all hurt. And if you act on them, they create consequences for you that hurt. And other parts of your personality originate in love. And these are the parts that we experience as gratitude, appreciation, caring, contentment, patience, all of the universe. And the new consciousness

16:24allows us to see this. And to inseg it, put an arm's length of distance between you and the part of your personality that's active. And in that distance, you can do something that you couldn't from the perspective of the old consciousness. You can choose. You can choose. The frightened parts of your personality are magnetic, attractive. The old consciousness was the consciousness of all of these experiences. And that's why it pursues external power. The new consciousness allows you choice. And that's where real power lies. Are you saying when we are living from the aspects of the personality that you just described that we're really not in choice? We're really in a place of what pre-programmed response is that? Is that what you're saying? No, as far as choice

17:27goes, I'm saying the opposite, that we are choosers. Our essence is choice. This is all from the new consciousness, and you have it. And we choose if we're going to act from anger when we're angry, for example, or with understanding and patience while we're experiencing the anger. Now that is the moment. That is the moment when power is created. There's only two tools, really, in creating authentic power. Emotional awareness and responsible choice. In the new consciousness, Gary, what my experience has been is that choice expands. And so choice may have been in my old way of showing up, black or white. It's either this way or that way. And my experience has been that I have a lot more choice. Is that accurate? Is that what

18:32your experience has been? Or is there something that I'm not saying here? Yes and no. In this domain, in which we're born into, which we're born, is a learning environment from my perspective. It's an environment of time, and space, and matter, and duality, and fear. And none of these things exist beyond this domain. Let's call this domain the Earth School because there are things that we have to learn. And that's why we incarnate it. We learn the most fundamental of all spiritual necessities without which further development is not possible. That's choice, our choice, and our responsibility for what we choose. And we're in the Earth School to learn love. To learn to not to learn love that we stumble on or we find or we discover or it's given to us but love that we choose. That is the potential, the shining potential of every moment in the Earth's

19:35school now. With this, so the Earth School brings up for me the reincarnation. And so it's in love does. Love for me. It seems with, I think when we started this, there's no beginning, there's no end, but there is an evolution of the soul. And the soul comes back if it didn't get its Earth School lessons. I think it's like, well, you might have to repeat the school again to understand, is that accurate? Do you think that's accurate? Where are you with that? From my experience, the soul isn't told to go back. You flunked, of course. The soul wants to go back. The soul chooses to go back. That incarnation is a dramatic act of spiritual responsibility. And it's not a given for every soul that wants to return here. This is, as I grew up,

20:41I had lots of versions of the Earth School prison punishment, some kind of penal island that I would sentence to. But I see that there is that every experience that I've had, and I suggest everyone is listening to us, that every experience you have serves a purpose. And that purpose is your spiritual growth. My father was a Los Angeles police detective for 48 years. And I would kid around it. So, you know, I think I was paroled to him in this lifetime. Yeah. The way I was is a kid. If you knew me as a kid, you know, you know, there's probably some truth to that. Anyway, you know, this part with death, so we, oh, you know, we face sometimes death, emotional

21:47death, mental, mental emotional death of, you know, we figured life was going a certain way. And this is how I'm feeling. And all of a sudden, we realized that we got it wrong somehow. And so we have to let go. And sometimes letting go, you know, something emotionally or let go the way we were thinking, letting go of a loved one, it's sometimes very difficult for people. And people stay in this cell. I watch people stay when they've lost a parent or a child or physically, somebody they love, watch them in this grief place for a long time. We're talking years in some cases. And I just, it feels so unhealthy, not only for the person that's grieving, but I feel like for the soul that's loved. What's your take on that? My most wonderful experience with love was with my partner, Linda Francis. We were together for

22:5127 years. And it was unlike anything that I ever expected it to be. Before that, for the most part, I was addicted to sex. So I didn't really know anything about relationships, sex with women. And so I never really cared for the women I was having sex with. And they never cared for me. We were using each other. But with Linda, from the very beginning, it was very different. After we were together for a little while, she was a chiropractor. She made herself into a chiropractor when she left her marriage and had two children to support and know as a young girl, really. Never had any training. Her courage was enormous. But my experience with her was remarkable. I loved her completely. And I knew she loved me completely. And it was always that comfort and ease

23:53with us. She'd been frightened parts of her personality now and then. And I would also, but they were just frightened parts of her personality that didn't ever bring up the question of whether we were together or would be together. And I thought our love was, it was good. It was good like this. And then she had a stroke about four years ago. I was with her in the kitchen. She fell to the floor. And she said only one word, weak. She was trying to tell me, I fell down, I'm weak. I knew it was a stroke because I studied strokes. So I called 911. They were there within 10 or 15 minutes. They took her to the hospital, a regional medical center that had the ability to do a procedure called an endovascular thrombectomy. Normally, when a person has a stroke, if the the clot, the block to blood is not removed within two hours, they'll be permanent brain damage.

24:54With this process, that window is open to 24 hours. It's quite a difference. And that is the procedure that was offered by this large regional medical center, 20 minutes from us. So Linda was taken there with sirens and lights and me right behind him. And the surgeon was in her room at the ER before I got there. He asked me for permission to do this procedure. I gave it to him. Yes, yes, please, please. And then he called me to a little room next to the operating room, about 20 minutes. And he said, I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I said, I tried to go in through her groin, which was the usual way to do the procedure. And he said, I couldn't, I couldn't reach the clot. So then I went in through her wrist and over her shoulder. And so I still couldn't do it. I'm sorry. So I asked him, is there anything

25:59else you can, anything else you can do? And he said, there is an unconventional procedure. I'll do it if you ask me. And I said, please, please do it. He said, I can puncture her carotid artery. And Linda's clot was roughly where the third eye is between her eyebrows. He did that procedure and he said, I still couldn't reach the clot. He said, her arteries have twist in them. It's a particular kind of arterial architecture. And I pushed so hard that my device started to come loose from the sleeve. I couldn't push any harder. I'm sorry. So Linda was taken to an ICU room where the stroke unfolded. And I was with her. And I knew and the nurses knew and the doctors knew that there was nothing we could do while this stroke unfolded

26:59in my beloved brain. And when I got back from the hospital the first day, everything was changed, everything without Linda. And that night was the most difficult of my life. It was painful, beyond, beyond, but anything I could have imagined. I didn't know if I could live through it. I didn't want to. There were times when I asked, take me now. Please, I'm going to die. Anyway, so take me now. But that gift was not given to me. And two days later I was sitting by a little lagoon type body of water. And something came to me. It was a realization. And it was, I don't have a reason for living anymore except to love people.

28:06I might have said that before, but now it was so. And it is so. And it's permanent. So I'm sharing this because, and by the way, I was still in communication with Linda after her soul went home. So I was talking with her. And yet missing her, it was a confusing time, but that's what was happening. I was aching for her physical presence. And I asked one of my teachers, we have, we all have teachers, non-physical teachers. And we're becoming aware of them. The new consciousness allows that. And I said, why am I hurting so much? Well, first the teacher said the thing for you to hold on to Gary is this. Linda is with you. And all did I hold on to that. And I said, well, why am I hurting so much? And he said, because frightened parts of

29:08your personality demand that the Earth's goal be the way they want it to be with Linda's physical presence in it. And you are experiencing the elusive lack of the elusory comfort that you took and safety that you felt from her physical presence. So this brings us back to where I started this conversation for your question. Grief. All of the grief lasted for years, two years anyway, maybe three. All that time I was speaking with Linda. And yet I'm mister, every molecule in me ached to feel her hand in mine. But I know now that I am who I am. I'm not at all who I was before this transformation happened because of Linda's soul going home. So I am so grateful for that gift

30:10that her soul's going home gave me. And yet there was so many times that I wished I could be who I am now with Linda in the Earth's goal. But I couldn't because it was her soul leaving that gave me this gift. So what I'm getting at can is this. Grief is an illusion. Loss is an illusion. From the perception of the new consciousness, we're beginning to see almost everything from a new perspective. For example, the perception of another, another is an illusion. It's imagination. We're thinking of, we're accustomed to thinking in terms of parts and relationships between them. But there never been such things as parts. There is one and all is that and we are that. This is the new consciousness and where it's leading us. With the new consciousness and we're talking about the gift of death here,

31:14where you received that gift from Linda and was able to learn what you used to learn through this process. You still felt lost. You still feel grief. You still went through the emotions of it. Even though it's an illusion, that illusion was very real for you. Absolutely. It was. I didn't want to live anymore. Then at night, I pleaded for death twice. Please, please take me. For two years after, I grieved for the presence that I was talking to every day. What I am saying is, yes, it's an illusion. From one perspective, the entire Earth's goal is an illusion. It has a purpose. It is the densest, you might say, it is the densest expression of light, but it's holy. It's sacred. It is a precious place, this Earth's goal. In it is grief. In it is anger and rage.

32:23Lack of forgiveness. In it is overwhelming anxiety and superiority and inferiority. In it also are experiences of your soul. Those are the loving parts of your personality. And our purpose in the Earth's goal is to learn love. What is love? That's authentic power. Authentic power is love. There's no other power. For me, the only way I found to do that is to locate experientially, to experience intimately every part of my personality that prevents me from loving. That means from giving the gifts that I was born to give. When I meditate and a lot of people reported this, there is a sense of connection to the oneness with the soul. There is also a deep sense of peace and bliss. Taking that experience out of

33:26a meditation into my world, into life. The things that would normally upset me or bring me anger or bring me rage seem not to be as important when I continue with that energy, that feeling, that I just hold that consciousness in the world. That love is easy to spot when I'm in that place. It's easy to give, but not so much when I'm not in that place. Not so much when I'm in this delusion of this is the way it is. You did this to me. I said that it's a very interesting place. And for me, I know Gary, it's this place where I've practiced over the last 30 years to,

34:30I don't know if master the mind is a concept, but it's more of a observing the mind and allowing the mind to have whatever its thoughts are, but just being in a place where I don't have to choose that thought. I don't have to choose. I don't have to be in that place. I'd like you to speak to that a little bit. You're speaking to it, can, in my opinion, everything you're saying is very beautiful and addressing the most important experiences it's possible to have. From my experience, love in your school is a domain of duality. Love is and fear are the fundamental duality, and it's not possible to experience love when you're in fear and the reverse. And to create authentic power requires experiencing a frightened part of your personality when it's active in terms of your body and in terms of its thoughts. You might say somatically and cognitively.

35:31And somatically it means put your attention in your throat area, your chest area, your solar plexus area. These are three of the seven chakras, as you know. And for me, these are the easiest areas to experience physical sensations. And then I look for physical sensations like aching, throbbing, stabbing, stinging, burning, churning, contracting. And they're all painful. And I do the same thing in my throat area and my solar plexus area. Then I'll look at the thoughts that this frightened part of my personality is thinking and they'll always be judgmental and critical. Some eyes shouldn't be here. I don't understand this. I'm not as smart as anyone here. Or I don't need to be here. I know more than the fellow who's teaching the class. Why am I even here? Or thoughts like he's so stupid or I'm so stupid. These are what frightened parts feel and think. And once you know that, you can use your volition, your free will to move your attention

36:36to a loving part of your personality. When you were grateful or appreciative or caring or patient and you knew it, do the same thing. See what it feels like somatically. What thoughts and the thoughts will always be thoughts of gratitude and appreciation and patience. And then decide to speak and act from the loving part while you're experiencing the frightened part. Now for me, can the power and the beauty of what I heard you sharing is that that's what you did. It's a choice. You learned for me, emotions are very important in creating authentic power. You use the term mind, but I think you might have been including emotional experiences. And from my perspective, what you did is creating authentic power. You become angry or upset or something activates a frightened part of your personality. And you chose in that moment not to act on it, but to bring into your experience then what you learned in meditation and not learned is not

37:42the right word where you went in meditation. And it was a conscious choice to speak and act, not from that angry, jealous, resentful part or grieving part, but from a part that's patient and caring and loving. So you and in my experience have described creating authentic power. Kitchen and bathroom professionals know what goes behind the tile matters. That's why trade pros trust fiber cement, party backer board to keep tile firmly in place, resist cracking and help block moisture. Chosen in over 40 million kitchens and bathrooms, party backer board, what the best build on. Shop now at participating Home Depot, Lowe's and floor into core stores.

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39:52introspection is the key in this earth school, too. From my point of view, to really understand the gifts, the joy, the happiness, everything that's within us, it's almost we come into this at least I did. I was socialized into an earth school that at many times along my path, I was self-medicating because I was like, how do I know I didn't have tools, I wasn't taught tools originally to deal with it. But of course, because of the pain, because of the anxiety and stress that led me to find the tools. So maybe it was all perfect, but it's an interesting place we live here. I think there's a part here that we're also talking about which is acceptance, acceptance of who we are, but acceptance of where we are and what's happening now. Can you speak to that

40:57a little bit, the acceptance piece? Depending upon your intention, that can be a very high state, maybe the highest state. I mean, if your intention is not a hell with it, I'm not having any more to do with it, I just accepted as the way it is, that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about appreciation, gratitude, acceptance with joy, love is joy. Joy is the revealer of love, it's the revelator, and the opposite pain is the revelator of fear. So let me not drift from your, you were talking about acceptance. One of the first things in my teacher, and my teacher is an angel. By the way, I was a paratrooper. I wrote a book on quantum physics that won the American Book Award for physics. I graduated from Harvard. I had no patience for any of this stuff. I mean zero tolerance.

42:01And then I met a non-physical entity that stopped me in my tracks with the accuracy of what this benign presence knew about me, and no one else could know. And the beneficence, and how much I gained from everything that this entity spoke, and I've discovered again and again, especially with, not especially, also with the angel, that it never tells me what to do, do this, do that, never. It helps me see my experiences from a new expanded perspective that allows me to be more compassionate and patience and caring than I was before. And this is life in the year of school. And what I'm learning is to challenge. I'm learning all of the frightened parts of my personality that you mentioned that keep me from loving. It's like this story about Miko Angelou,

43:08who, the wonderful sculpture, who sculpted this 17-foot stall statue of David, the Davide, in Florence, for envy. And I've seen this. I watched it while it was still outside, it's inside now, but it's the same thing. It's so I wanted to reach out and touch it. That's skin. How could he do that in marble? How could he possibly put that in marble? And when someone asks him, this is how the story goes. I don't know if this is historical or just someone's beautiful imagination. But Miko Angelou, in this version, said, I saw the Davide in the block of marble, and I removed everything that prevented it from being seen. I feel that is the creation of authentic power. The love is there. You are love. You don't have love. You aren't loving. You are love. And the distance between what you are and your perception is a measure of the pain in your life.

44:13And as you create authentic power, every time you choose to speak or act in love, instead of in fear, as you've described your doing when you choose to apply what you have experienced in meditation in ways that are new or always new when you're doing it for the first time, then you're like each decision. That's how authentic power is created, choice by choice. And each choice is a little tap on the mallet on the chisel. And another little piece of marble flies away. Well, listen, we're out of time in this segment. We've got one more segment we're going to do, you and me, Gary. And you know, we've touched on some areas that I'd like to take a deeper dive within our next segment, things such as the angels, the entities. I'd like to take a much deeper dive

45:13into what real authentic love looks like. And also, you know, we've been talking about authentic power. I think you've given some good examples. With authentic power, I'd like to address in the next segment, can a person live pain-free in the earth school once they tune into their authentic power? So we got a lot of things to cover in our next segment, but I want to just thank you for this segment. This is just really powerful. Thank you for being here. You're welcome, Ken. I can personally believe that he's spoken for an entire segment. I'm looking forward to the next. Well, yeah, we're, we're, yeah, you know, somebody said, when you're, you're doing things you love time just flies quickly. And the opposite might be true with the other stuff. So anyway, we'll, we'll continue this. And I want to thank my audience for being here. And of course,

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