#192 - Yoroslav Trofimov: "Our Enemies Will Vanish"

 Yaroslav Trofimov, chief foreign-affairs correspondent at The Wall Street Journal, takes time out of his busy travel schedule to join the podcast to discuss his recent book, Our Enemies Will Vanish – The Russian Invasion and Ukraine's War of Independence. Jacob and Yaroslav talk a little bit about his background before exploring some of the ideas he develops in his book – and looking toward Ukraine’s future, which Yaroslav makes the case is not so uncertain: that Ukraine’s independence has been secured in some form or another.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) - Intro

(01:40) – Yuroslav's Background

(7:20) – How did Russia get here?

(13:30) - Why did everyone underestimate Ukraine?

(22:40) – Zelensky v Zaluzhny

(27:04) - When are Ukraine's next elections?

(29:49) – Is the Russia/Ukraine war a stalemate? How much does Russia want?

(36:18) - German and European perspective on the war

(39:30) - Ukraine's relationship with China

(41:11) – The future

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Referenced in the Show:

Our Enemies Will Vanish - Yuroslav Trofimov: https://www.amazon.com/Our-Enemies-Will-Vanish-Independence/dp/0593655184

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