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Fire changes what it touches, and that’s exactly why the refining process feels so intense. We’re leaning into Malachi 3:2–3 and telling the truth about spiritual refinement: God can be shaping you and choosing you at the same time. When life starts demanding a pivot and your old mindset can’t carry you anymore, that doesn’t mean you’re behind. It can mean you’re being purified for what’s next.
We walk through what the refining fire burns away, including fear, comfort, unhealthy attachments, toxic relationships, and unbelief, then we talk about what replaces them: a renewed mindset, deeper faith, healthier connections, and real clarity. We also unpack why sanctification is an ongoing process. You may revisit a similar battle, but you don’t have to respond the same way. You’re not going in circles, you’re going deeper.
Along the way, we look at Job and other biblical examples of calling under pressure, plus a vivid “transformer” picture of how God shifts us from the inside out. We also share how grief can crack and even shatter a life, and why it matters who you allow to rebuild you. The challenge that closes it out is simple and searching: instead of asking why you’re here again, ask what God is producing in you now.
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Welcome to the Guides Diamond in the Rough Podcast.
The place where pressure becomes purpose and fate leads to process.
I'm your host and it's my honor to introduce Pazhakatron.
In this season of refinement, Pazhakatron will help us understand how a guy uses every
challenge to shape us, strengthen us, and reveal the diamond within.
Open your hearts and lean in.
Pazhakatron, the Mike, is yours.
Hello, hello, and welcome back.
One more time, Guides Diamonds in the Rough.
I am your host, Catherine, and I am so glad to be before you.
One more time.
I hope all is well where you are.
Hope that you're having a great day.
Yes, I hope that whenever you are watching this listening to this, that you are cross-freeing
and, you know, today is going the way you desire it to go.
Yes, I'll let you.
So today's topic is still chosen.
Wow, being refined.
You are still being chosen while being refined.
What a blessing.
Yes?
Such a blessing to realize and understand that even though I'm going through, I'm still
being blessed.
Hallelujah.
And just a reminder to anchor strip scripture Malachi chapter 3 verses 2 through 3.
So y'all know what we got to do?
Full go any further.
Let's pray.
Thank you so much for another day.
Thank you, God for allowing us to be able to come together.
One more time to get a word from you.
I pray God that you would speak clearly through your vessel, God.
I pray in the name of Jesus that everyone that is able to hear is able to receive.
I pray in the name of Jesus that your will will be done here in this place.
God, for I turn it over to you.
Have your way.
In Jesus Christ's name, we do pray.
Amen.
Amen.
Amen.
Hallelujah.
Oh, y'all don't even know what is going on in the room right now.
I've got stuff going on there with help me.
So if I sound a little lost here and there, it's just because I'm trying to keep up.
You're trying to keep up with this new day.
You heard it was like, oh, it thinks the same what it used to be.
You heard it?
It's just not.
And even with saying that, like that's a part of the refinement.
Yeah.
Like you don't do things the same way you used to do.
Yeah.
You got to be able to pivot, I guess you could say, into the now.
Yeah.
So once again, like it's evident, like old mindset, those things don't work in the news.
So last week, we did a deep dive into some divine revelation about what can't go forward
that the fire removes.
We did a deep dive.
So if you did not tune into last week's episode, I want to encourage you to do that.
Make sure that you check in to last week's episode.
Absolutely.
All the things that get left behind, sometimes it hurts to even look at it.
These things that God revealed to me about what actually has to go into the fire and gets
burned out of number one, I was just talking about it.
The fact that I have to adapt to doing this in a way where it caters to every one because
everybody don't get on podcasts and just listen.
People in our day, they want to see, so I got a camera right here on my left side.
And then I got my notes on the right side, I got the camera, ah, it's going to get better.
You heard what I'm saying?
Because the refining process, it makes the things that you are, it makes who you are.
And the things that you're doing makes it even more valuable.
Once he gets rid of the stuff that's not benefiting you anymore.
So all mindsets, fear, comfort, unhealthy attachments, things like toxic relationships and habits
and things that just don't, they're not a part of our growth any longer.
And the last one, if you put it in one word, it's unbelief.
Those are some things that kind of, they go through the, you know, they go through that
fire.
And then, you know, once the fires happen, especially when things are being burned up,
wood, whatever, there are some particles left behind that you can look back and see,
oh, this didn't burn, this, this couldn't burn, this couldn't go wherever it came out
of it.
Because the scripture talks about how our God and Jesus is the refining fire.
He's like a man who is, deals with soap and, and, and, and silver and gold and, look,
that's what we've been on the last, ever since we started this year, like this is what
it looks like.
When you come it out of the refining fire, you are coming out of a whole, another version
of yourself coming out of a whole, another idea, I mean, a whole, another, I say, look
about yourself, because when gold goes through that, it doesn't even go through there the
same form.
You know what I'm saying?
When it comes out, and it says, it's harder, it's stronger, it's much firmer, it's
not as much more clarity, those things are left behind now, you have more value, okay?
We talked about the old, these are things left behind, old mindsets fear, comfort, unhealthy
attachments, and unbelief.
So in turn, the flip side of it is, you gain a new mindset, you get, you have less fear
and more faith, does that make sense, okay?
So out of the five, you get five replacements.
You are uncomfortable, but you have a willingness to adapt and learn, like you, like once, once
you're uncomfortable, like you got to figure it out.
So you can get comfortable again, yeah, you can get comfortable again, but I'm going
somewhere with this.
Look, you get, you get growth, you get new, healthier relationships, more relationships,
and you know, you're able to, so to speak, you are getting ready to outgrow some more.
You heard what I'm saying, like these relationships, these levels of growth is going to make you
more.
You heard what I'm saying?
It's going to help you to grow more, and the last, not the least, but clarity and focus.
Like when you got unbelief going on, it's hard to focus on what is true, what is real,
what is Philippians four and eight talks about, talks about, you know, the things that are
real, that's what we've got to learn how to focus on.
That's what we have to learn to focus on.
It is so much to put your eye on that we can easily lose focus and lose what it is all
about.
And so that's what that fire, the fiery fire, and the fiery furnace, it drowns out some
things so some new things can come forth.
So if you are willing to go through the process, at the end of the day, you're going to come
to the place where you're going to look up and be like, oh, wow, wow.
I didn't realize that this was even happening.
Now these are just five that the Spirit highlighted out to me, but I'm sure that they're more,
like look at your own life.
Look at what you have come out of and what came out of it.
What were you going through that now you can look at some, oh, yes.
You know, I hope you got your journals, I hope you make your notes, even while you're listening.
Like when we look at our topic from this new mindset and what do I mean when I say that,
looking at it from what it was to now what it is, or when you look it back in the past
and you see what it was and then what it came out of, then you come to realize that it's
cyclic, it's process like as long as we live, we're continually being filtered because
that's that is what we're finding is we're being filtered from season to season.
We think most of the time we think that because, let me see, y'all know, I'm going to read
my notes because you think I made it through that's when you really, I just need to turn
page.
Y'all look, I'm going to finish my bottom second, but one thing I want you to understand
is I am a real person and I told you, I'm ever learning, I'm a student just like as
I am a teacher, it sounds crazy, but God has made me a teacher, but he's also keeping
me a student and so I'm learning how to follow notes, I am a free spirit baby, I don't
follow notes typically, but refinement refinement, y'all are seeing it, live in a person like
at the end of the day, you will find yourself doing things you typically don't do because
it's uncomfortable, it is uncomfortable for me to follow notes, but what I'm coming
to realize is that notes keep me structured, notes keep me on track, it keeps everybody
from getting lost in all of my thoughts, does that make sense?
So let me try this again.
So the catch 2020 is because you think, as most of us be thinking, I made it through
that's when you realize that God is evolving you from season to season into sanctification.
This is how you can hold to your reality of still being chosen, hallelujah, he is still
pruning and shaping you, hallelujah, this is what refinement looks like, the things that
are not helping you, the things that are not aiding to your growth, get rid of.
We share the analogy of the plant all the time of the bad apples, one bad apple can run
the whole bunch, if you don't get rid of the dead leaves, it will overtake the ones that
are alive.
You would think, how can one destroy all when it's just one and you have so much more
that is alive, one bad apple can run the whole bunch.
That's just that I believe that that is one of many ways that God says, or it's trying
to teach us, as we go through life that look, evil is evil, corruption is corruption.
You heard what I'm saying?
And where there is either of the two, there cannot be life because because because death is
a real thing like darkness and all of these things, they have nothing to do with life.
I'm talking about evil, I'm talking about darkness, I'm talking about destruction.
Those things, if they could all mix together, then it wouldn't be a such thing as heaven
and hell, okay?
Everything would be in heaven, everything, or it's either, oh, you can't have the two.
This is why I just believe that one bad apple can run the whole bunch.
Life is not about one being better than the other, but it is about right and wrong.
It's about righteousness and it's about becoming like Christ, being a Christian.
You don't become like Christ and continue in the old way.
You more and more, you're going to become like Christ, become like Christ.
More and more, you're going to grow and you're going to change and shift and the dead
things have to fall off.
Hallelujah.
You may have to revisit similar battles, but because of the refining, you don't react or
respond the same way.
You heard what I'm saying?
Like what am I saying?
Like, and this is in the realm of still being chosen, the point is don't question whether
or not you've been chosen.
Like, you know that you know that you know that you are a part of the flock of God, that
you are a child of God.
You know that you know that you know, don't allow circumstances or situations or even bad
decisions make you believe that you are not chosen because it's one thing I have to
tell you.
You've got to fall down before you can get up.
So mistakes are to be expected.
It's a part of the plan of God.
It's a part of your growth.
This is why I say, like you might wind up in the same position later and like that you
was in maybe five years ago, maybe even a couple of months ago.
You might be in that same position, but if you learned the lesson the last time when you
get in that position again, you're going to make a better choice.
You're going to react differently.
You're going to respond differently differently.
I hope that that makes sense because you are more mature.
You are being sanctified.
Sanctification is a process.
Being chosen doesn't mean you don't go through fires.
It means that God trust you in the process.
That is what it means that he trusts that even though you got some kind of temptation
or fire going on.
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He knows that you're going to choose him, but you must go through the process.
That means you must make the mistake in order to find the lesson.
You must.
You look at Job and I, I refer back to this often a lot of times.
You look at the life of Job and I word and you see, Satan was minding his business.
He was going and doing what it did and God stops him and says, what are you doing?
He said, I'm going to find.
I'm seeking him back into power.
Then he says, have you tried my servant, Job, come on now, God gave Job permission to go
out there and Job and Satan's response is like, he's a man of faith, right?
Then he said, but if you take, if you take that protection, you got on him off of him,
I got to get him.
You heard what I'm saying and God says, okay, well, I'm going to take it off, but you can't
touch him.
You heard what I'm saying?
And he said, and he went and he took everything that he had that was valuable to him.
You come back, let's see.
I told you, look, you got to take that protection off of him.
He said, okay, I'm going to take it off of him.
He said, but you cannot take his life.
And so this is when we see the attack on his physical body, but Job never swayed from
understanding and knowing who God is and who he put his trust in.
God knows if you can, if he can trust you, you heard me, Hallelujah.
He knows if he can trust you.
Like at the end of the day, he knows how strong you are and nothing that you're going through
too big for you because it trust you.
But you got to understand he trying to show you who you are in his sight.
This is what this show is all about.
The diamond, you are a diamond diamond regardless of what you're going through.
But you got to go through the fires.
You have to go through the pressures.
You have to go through the things that we often don't want the being fearful, the being
being the things, the being uncomfortable, the being in the toxic relationship, having
the old mindset, like all of those things because the reality is is that yeah, you're going
through a new season, you're on a new season.
But eventually that season is going to be old too and you're going to come out of it.
And so you're going to go through more fires.
So you just keep going through the same things, different, different battles, similar but
different, but each one it pushes you, it throttles you to grow to become more mature.
Not only look at Joel, but you can look at Abraham or Abram who turned, whose name was
changed to Abraham.
You can look at Joseph, how they put him in a pit they were trying to kill him because
of jealousy and envy and how he ended up going from the pit to the palace.
You can look at Mary, Mary was a virgin that God decided I'm going to put my son inside
of her.
So everybody talked about her and all the above, even her fiance almost divorced her.
Do you hear what I'm saying John the Baptist out in the wilderness, eating bugs and all
of these things and they just look wild here and they talked about it and they thought he
was crazy, but God has still chosen him the last one at least you and me.
Look at what you've gone through.
Look at what you've made it through.
Look at who you are now, hallelujah, hallelujah.
He stretches and he tests us even while removing what we can't see.
It's not punishment.
It's proof you're called choke and chosen, yeah, I'm going to say that again.
He stretches and tests us even while removing what we can't see.
It is not punishment.
So I don't think I did this wrong and I did that wrong.
No, it is a part of the process, acknowledging that I straight, acknowledging that all of
that is proof that you've been calling chose because he got to get rid of the dead things.
He has to shift your mindset.
It's a part of the transformation process.
I equated it to the transformer, the toy.
It doesn't look like it what it was.
When you first see the transformer, it looks normal.
It looks regular.
It looks like a beauty of its own.
It looks like a car.
It looks like an airplane.
It looks like whatever it is.
But once it goes into this whole different mode, it's a whole lot of clicks and shifts.
Boom, boom, boom, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click,
and then finally, you're looking at this thing like what in the world is that?
But what does it feel?
It's filled with power.
It's filled with conviction.
It's filled with fury.
It's filled with what it was destined to do inwardly because that transformer, all you
see is what is on the outside when it's first presented to you.
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But if you didn't know that it was a transformer, if you didn't know that your car was B, look,
if you didn't know, you were thinking it's just your normal car.
When it's ready to fight, when it's got to protect its own, it stands up in a whole different
beam.
As I familiar, look, when somebody is, and when you got to stand up for your child, you got
to stand up for your husband, for your wife, it's a whole shift.
When you got to stand up for something, you're passionate about, it's a whole shift.
You, yourself looking at me, it's a way to make a way to that come from, who is this?
I'm about myself.
I hope not.
Hallelujah.
Hallelujah.
I know me.
I shit.
It's something inside of me that shit.
I get rearing to go.
And she's talking about something that I care about, something that's valuable to me.
I'm just, there's something inside of me rises up.
The often time I ain't even know what they are.
Hallelujah.
God is intentional about our process.
He allows even the things that hurt, not to break us, but to build us.
My son, when he passed away, I didn't know that I would be able to survive.
I didn't know that life would, I would be able to continue to live a life without him.
Life is different without him.
I think about him every day.
You hear what I'm saying?
It's different without him, but with God, he has made it to wear.
I have learned to live with his memory, with the time that we spent together.
I learned to channel in and really remember the good, the bad and the ugly, ugly, because
I was my child.
Hallelujah.
A very significant part of my life, but it broke me.
It did break me, but it built me.
Yeah, what I'm saying.
Excuse me.
I wouldn't even say it broke me.
I would say it cracked me.
You hear what I'm saying?
No.
Let me change that.
It did break me.
It crushed me.
It shattered my life, and so God had to build me back up, and God is still building me
back up.
A whole lot of folks get stuck.
If you're stuck, if you got stuck at the broken place, then somebody has to rebuild you.
Don't allow alcohol.
Don't allow people.
Don't allow bad habits.
Don't allow old mindsets.
Don't allow fear.
Don't allow all of these things to build you up.
Allow God to build you up in a way that you can look back at what happened.
I look back at what happened to my son.
I think he's in a better place.
It still disturbed me.
What happened?
How it was handled after the fact.
It still disturbed me.
I'm still rassling with what to do.
What I rassling should I just leave it, where it's at, or should I pursue police because
they mishandled his case and the evidence is right in the report that they mishandled
his case.
I'm sitting there.
I'm still.
I got to go October to figure out what to do.
Hallelujah.
I believe that the things that we go through, it builds us to make us better.
Hallelujah to make us better.
Here's a challenge.
I'm going to throw ahead of you as we're coming to a close.
Instead of asking this question, why am I here again because it's human nature.
We think, why in the world am I here?
Why does this keep us?
Why do I keep ended up in the same spot?
Why do I dare you to X and stay at X?
What is being produced in me now?
What is God producing inside of me?
What is God?
What are you bringing out of me now?
What are you getting rid of now?
What are you bringing into fruition now?
Let's change our posture and start questioning as if it's a negative or a bad thing.
Let's ask God because we can talk to our father asking, what are you bringing out?
What is it you're trying to show me now?
What I'm still, I'm here again.
I'm different.
I'm not where I was, I know I'm not as immature as I was the last time I got into this spot.
But in this spot, what are you trying to teach me?
What are you trying to get out of me because he, the greatest work God does is in the smallest
ways.
It's in the ways that we can't see the greatest work, hallelujah.
He might tell you today, read a book.
I want you to read this book.
I don't want to read something, I don't like reading, I don't have time to read.
But he said, I want you to read this book.
I have about five different books that I'm reading.
And I keep thinking to myself, I've got to finish these books, I've got to finish these
books.
Lord, I've come to realize is that each book has a significant role in where I am from
day to day.
Hallelujah.
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I might read the same book for three or four days, but then I just stop, and I end up
picking up another book and read it for a day or two, and I'm end up picking up another
and reading it.
And I'm like, I just don't make no sense, but I can only hear God's saying, just do it.
Just do it.
Hallelujah.
Because eventually, even if I'm going two or three days here or there, here or there,
and a couple of pages here and there, eventually, I'm going to finish the book as long as I
don't stop.
Do you hear what I'm saying?
All five of those books are going to get finished as long as I don't stop.
No matter how long it takes, I'm going to finish the books.
Hallelujah.
And that's really the ideology of what it looks like to live a life in the sight of God and
live the life of a diamond, is that through and through, eventually, the story will end.
Eventually, when he's trying to get out of it, when he's trying to show you, it's going
to come.
And it's just like I like eventually, we're going to meet him.
That is the day we're going to meet perfection, you heard me?
Everything that he wanted to do in us, when we meet him in glory, it'll be done.
We are so hard on ourselves.
We think that we got to have this perfect life while on earth, when it doesn't even exist.
You heard what I'm saying?
It doesn't even exist.
Get out of the confinements of this world.
Don't become form to this world.
We don't do things the way that the world does it.
I'm talking to my brothers and sisters in Christ.
This is what I want you to realize is that you are not going in circles.
It's just going deeper.
Yeah, what I'm saying?
You are not going in circles.
You're just going deeper.
You are going deeper and it is okay.
It's a part of the sanctification process.
Hallelujah.
So let's pray.
Father, thank you so much for allowing me to be able to pour out what you poured in.
Pray God.
Pray God that you will continue to shape us, fashion us for this walk that we are
on.
Continue to refine us as you will.
God, we love you so much.
We're so grateful.
It's so thankful that you don't quit on us, even when we quit on you.
I pray God that we would know regardless of how things look at the moment that we're
still chosen.
I pray that my brother, my sister, that is listening here with no, they are chosen by
you.
Can't no demon in hell pull us out of your hand.
Hallelujah.
God, I just pray you will continue to lead God and order our steps in a way that we ought
to go.
We love you so much.
So grateful for it all.
Grateful Father.
We pray that this prayer, our prayer is pleasing in your sight.
We ask it.
In Jesus Christ's name, we do pray.
Amen.
Amen.
Amen.
Hallelujah.
So I'm excited to announce that for the month of April, April, we're going to be talking
about separation and purification.
Separation and purification and focus is going to be all about letting go.
Letting go.
Now I know I'd be first want to tell you letting go isn't easy at all.
It's a part of the process.
Hallelujah.
So and then it will come out of Isaiah 48 and 11.
So I am so excited about what God is doing and how he's doing it.
And so y'all make sure y'all come on back with me next week as we jump into it and get
into it.
Hallelujah.
As we go forth in this refining season here at God's Diamond in the rough.
Michael always said that he said it a whole lot last year but I'm going to say it today.
You are you are a diamond.
I can't say it like that.
But you are a diamond.
Hallelujah.
It's rough.
But you are a diamond.
Come on back.
So much love from me to you y'all have a great day.
Thank you for spending this time with us today.
Remember you are not being broken you are being built.
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