201 - Anthony Diehl and Matt Patrick on Testosterone, Gnosticism, and the Christian Body

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Note: Neither guest is a physician. Nothing in this episode is medical advice — get your own bloodwork and your own doctor.

Summary

Is your body a discipleship issue? Chase sits down with Anthony Diehl — pro strongman turned metabolic health coach, founder of MODUS — and Matt Patrick, co-lead pastor at The Well and an operator in the health space, for a conversation that starts with testosterone and ends up in anthropology. The three of them work through the collapse in male T levels, what actually causes it, and the difference between deficiency, optimization, and enhancement. But the real question underneath is theological: what do we make of a faith that confesses the resurrection of the body and then treats the body as spiritually irrelevant? Anthony calls it latent Gnosticism, and he traces the biblical alternative — David's aching bones, Paul's bowels of mercy, a Scripture that assumes your physiology and your affections are not sealed off from one another. Along the way: whether Adam and Jesus had "optimal" T, what low testosterone does to a man's agency and appetite for sin, why the myth of roid rage is mostly a myth, how to tell a good clinic from a predatory one, the honest case against steroids from a man who used them, and where the line falls between a biological deficiency and plain old spiritual laziness. If you've ever suspected the split between body and soul was doing damage in your church, this one names it.

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