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We've got Corey, Taliban and Corey, we are back with a ridiculously exciting episode because

we're doing a little battle of the big boards.

We're going to be breaking down some players that we're a little bit higher on, a little

bit lower on in terms of, you know, where they're kind of perceived by consensus and we're

going to try to see if we can maybe talk to each other and get us to sway one way.

We just want to do a little, a little conversation to figure out where we're at with our big

boards.

We're getting late in the game.

We're in March now, unbelievable, where we're at NCAA tournament is here, how exciting

is that.

But with that in mind, something that I kind of wanted to throw this at you, kind of catch

you by surprise.

But Corey, with the tournament being here, right, there are narratives all over the place

around a ton of these guys and a lot of those narratives are going to shift based off of

what we see in the coming weeks in the tournament with the play blah, blah, blah.

If you had to pick one guy who you think could benefit the most from a big run in the tournament,

who do you think that might be?

The guy who I think could benefit the most from a big run.

Bennett Sturts.

Okay.

For myowa.

Okay.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I feel like in the tournament, like obviously, like guard play is a big deal, right?

Because it's, you know, single game elimination and if a guard gets hot, a guard can really

carry a team deep, right?

I mean, you know, Shabaz Napier, Walter Clayton last year, right?

I feel like Bennett Sturts can have a run like that.

And so if there's one guy who I think, you know, like I have him in my lottery range,

but he's a little older and this is his first year at a high major and I think he's answered

a lot of those questions.

But I still think because of his age, the NBA teams might have some doubts potentially.

And so I feel like if he just balls out, like it could cement him as, you know, a guy

who maybe sneaks into the lottery, but is ultimately, I think, a top 20 pick.

I mean, you know, you look at Walter Clayton last year, he ended up being a top 20 guy.

So I would choose Bennett Sturts.

Okay.

No, I really, really like that answer.

I actually was not expecting that at all.

A guy who I had written down who I was afraid that you might mention was actually co-apete

from Arizona.

And my reason being co-apete came out so hot at the start of the season.

And there's a lot of talk about him going in the top five and being, you know, one of

these guys who might be knocking on the door of that, you know, AJ DeBonza, you know,

Cam Booser range.

And then, you know, he's kind of cooled off.

And we're at a point in the season where, you know, he's cooled off quite a bit and people

are having conversations of him outside of the top 10.

Some people even outside of the lottery.

I think he's been a victim of his circumstance.

His Arizona team is an excellent team.

And the way that Jayden Bradley has been playing this season really kind of taken the

reins at times, being there down the stretch guy, Braden Burries taking some of co-apete's

thunder throughout the season, really growing into his role, growing into his, you know,

comfort level and his skin as a college player has been great to see.

And he's had an incredible freshman season.

But I think with all that going on, and obviously, Kartankov and Kreevas and all that stuff,

them having a loaded roster with guys who are playing really well and will, I think,

a lot of them, if not all of them, will be drafted potentially this year.

It kind of messed with him a little bit in terms of his perception and maybe even his

draft stock.

He's a guy who still ended up 13 points per game, five rebounds a game.

The shooting splits are not so great to be honest, 59.7% from the free throw line.

We don't like that.

31% from three.

Don't like that.

But I'm still a co-apete believer and I think you are to Kree the last time we talked

about it.

I think both of us still had him in our top 10s.

The thing with Pete is I think he could really benefit from a big run here in the tournament.

If he had a couple of big games, big scoring games, big impact games defensively, blah, blah,

blah.

It could really shift things for them and then obviously if Arizona makes a long run,

if they end up winning the national title and he's kind of at the heart of it all and

he's the engine behind their success in terms of getting there and winning it all, I think

could really shift some of that perception back into his favor is kind of where I landed.

Well, that would be the perfect segue to talking about our guys.

You wanted to mention guys who are our favorite guys who were higher on than it seems like

consensus and the guy that I was going to mention to you was co-apete from Arizona.

I still have him in my top 10 and for all the reasons that you had mentioned, yes, he

has been, I guess you would say inconsistent, right?

He just dropped 21 against Houston, but he had four points against Iowa State the game

before.

Then he had 12, 25, 4, 12, 2, 6, 11, 21, so the scoring has been fairly up and down, right?

When you pair that with the three point shot where you mentioned he was 31.6 on 3s, if

that was on like 50 attempts, I think we'd all probably be excited, but he's taken 19,

3s this year.

So I understand why some people would be out on him, but then I look at the frame and

the athleticism, the touch in the mid-range, some of the tape that I had watched when he

was with the Compton Magic and AAU and I just think there's a lot more to be untapped

and like you mentioned that I just think like he's a victim, I don't want to say a victim

of circumstance.

He chose his circumstance.

He has though decided as, I guess he does at every level where he has been a winner at

every single level, much like Can Booser, that he is fine not having the shine and the

usage and the shots every night.

They're going to be nights like against TCU where he gets 17 shots and then they're

going to be some nights where like UCF where he has four shots and I want to see him

be in a role where he's a little bit more high usage at the next level, but if this is

just a chameleon type player who's going to do whatever it takes to win, whether that

means that he gets puts points on the board or he has to do some of the ancillary things

and I've been really impressed by his passing and I think that you can use him in really

versatile ways.

I think he's a really good screener and roller to the rim.

I think that his shot in the mid-range is pretty cool and he shows really nice touch

and it looks fluid and he's comfortable and he's shooting tough ones and I think that

eventually he will get there.

It's not going to be a year one, it probably won't be a year or two, maybe it's not in

year three, but I think eventually he will stretch the four adequately and I think that

there's just a range of outcomes that are really cool.

He could turn it into a higher end outcome where he's kind of like Aaron Gordany.

He could turn into Ruiha Jamora.

Maybe it's Hami Hakez or some of the names that we've discussed amongst the nosy only

team, but at the end of the day I feel pretty confident that he's going to be a good NBA

player.

Maybe a two-way player, at least he's going to be capable of being a two-way player,

even if there's some inconsistencies on that end.

Again, Arizona, I don't know, they might be one of the teams that they ultimately might

be the team that people say is the favorite to win at all, and they might, so again, he's

just a winner.

I still, I'm not ready to give up on him, I am a top 10 guy.

I agree.

I just feel like the perception, when I said that he was a victim of a circumstance, I really

meant his perception, because of everything happening around him, and this tournament

run could change a lot for him, because I hate to say it, but a lot of times these big

narratives and the discourse around these players, it happens now when all the people who

haven't been watching all season flood in and they want to know what's going on, and

they start filling out brackets and they get excited about March Madness.

The co-opie just steps on the floor every night and decides to be the best player on the

floor for Arizona every single night during the tournament.

People are going to be like, whoa, this guy rocks.

And then the discourse can shift dramatically, it's kind of where things are.

So I agree with you, I'm really watching, I'm going to be watching co-opied very closely.

And you mentioned Benet Sturz, Benet Sturz is one of my guys that I actually had.

So we kind of both did the same thing here, where with me, with Benet Sturz, the thing

that I love about him is that he went up a level this year, and as he went up a level

to Iowa, he, the shooting kind of stayed right there, right where it was.

I think he shot like 37% on three this year, but his attempts went up last year.

He had that 4.6 this year.

He went up to over six attempts per game, per 100 possessions this year, over 11

three per game on really rock solid volume, but also heavy usage there for Iowa.

He up to his free throw percentage too.

He up to his free throw percentage to an elite level.

To an elite level, a guy who 26.7% usage this year, only a 10.9% turnover percentage as

well, I think that deserves a lot of credit.

People had a lot of questions about him in terms of, can he lead a team, can he be the offensive

engine blah blah?

I think he's answered a lot of those questions.

I'm not saying that I think he's going to be some multi-time all-star blah blah blah.

I think he could be a tied Jerome type of player.

It's kind of where I'm landing and ultimately my takeaway with him is I think he's a very

versatile offensive player where in the NBA, he's probably not going to have a 26.7% usage

rate.

He'll probably have something a lot lower, but what you know with him is you could put

the ball in his hands and he can create for you, both for himself and for his teammates

because I do think he's a very good passer, but he could play off ball.

He could be a floor spacer.

He's proven now over two consecutive seasons that he is a high level outside shooter.

If he's doing it more as a floor spacer, even I could see him being a 41% three point shooter

on good volume on the next level.

I've really enjoyed that and I think in terms of role and the way that teams will be looking

at him as a versatile offensive guy who might even be better suited for the NBA level than

even the college level, I think there's a lot to like there.

He's one of my guys, but also the main guy that I really wanted to talk about really

quickly.

I've talked about him a ton, I just, I can't, you know, right now with everyone talking

about Darius, A cup, my brain, I have like a one track mind.

All I can think about is Keaton Woggler and I keep watching Keaton Woggler and I saw

him live twice back to back games and those were two of his not so great games and I still

walked away thinking I cannot take him out of my top five.

And I know, and Corey, you know this better than anyone.

I have a type and when it comes to these like longer, wingy type of guards who can, you

know, drill pass shoot, it's hard to look away for me.

I become like a fly going to the light or into a fire.

And my thing with him is I'll say this really quickly.

I think his IQ, the way that he plays the game attracts me the most.

I like the fact that he's six six and when he stands next to him, he's a legit six six

long limbs.

He is skinny.

I want to acknowledge that he is skinny.

But my favorite thing about him is obviously the IQ and stuff, the outside shooting is great

and a lot of fun to watch.

But even on off nights, he makes an impact on the game.

And the thing that I like the most about him is even though he's skinny, he plays through

contact.

And that's something that I've really enjoyed about him.

I like the way that he moves.

I like his handle.

I think his handles are going to get even better.

His spin move that he spams is really effective.

And it creates a really good angle for him, for when he needs to get downhill.

And he lives in the pain a lot.

He gets to the pain a lot.

And the way that he draws fouls is really great.

The deceleration stuff with him is great.

I've seen him kind of deploy some of that like penoy step stuff to him when he's getting

downhill, which has been fun to watch.

So he's my guy that I just can't stop being excited about and I've really enjoyed watching

him play.

He rocks.

Yeah.

When I saw him live this year, I think he had four points, but I still came away impressed

because he did some cool stuff in that game as well.

My other guy would have brought to the tables, Braden Smith, because I got to throw a small

card at it, but I don't need to break that down.

But a guy who's going to make some noise, a guy who NBA teams will like a lot, who I think

will definitely find himself on an NBA roster.

And before I got to see him live in person, where you've always talked about him, you

know, glowingly, and then seeing him in person, I'm like, yeah, I get it.

I absolutely get it.

Small guard, but he's going to find himself a role in the NBA as a third, fourth guard

will be impactful.

I totally understand.

But okay, those are the guys that we're like really into and next we're going to talk

about some guys that we are, we've got some question marks around that we're a little

iffy on, but we want to talk things out to see if maybe we can change our minds.

We'll get into those guys right after the break.

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All right, guys, we are back.

And core, we're talking about guys that we need to talk about.

Guys that we're a little bit iffy on, guys that we need a little bit of help on, guys

that we aren't the surest about.

And so, core, if you can, share with me, share with us the first guy that you're a little

iffy on right now.

Now I'm a little iffy on christenic junior.

I think he's another guy who has, you know, plenty to gain from a strong tournament.

I would suspect that if he decides to declare this year that he will still get drafted within

the top 20, because he does have really interesting physical tools, he's tall, you know, he's

one of these, you know, six, 11 guys who can shoot threes and I do believe in him as

a shooter.

I think he can move out on the perimeter.

He's been a terrific rebounder.

He's had some really monster games, but he's another one of these guys, almost a little

bit like co-apete, you know, who maybe does what it takes to win sometimes because he's

on a team that expects to win a national championship.

And you might say, well, why are you penalizing christenic and not co-apete for the same inconsistencies?

And I think my thing with christenic is that if he just blocked like more shots like at

a slightly, not even slightly, he would need to, he just doesn't block shots, he doesn't

protect the room.

And so for me, what he is, is he's kind of locked in to being like a weird, stretchy four

who like doesn't really play inside all that much and likes to settle for mid-range shots

and threes.

And like that's still a, like when I saw Houston live, I did think he was like cool prospect

and I did like him.

I liked what I saw him, we saw him at hoop summit, you know, to a degree.

I just don't, he should block shots and I think that that is like point blank.

He had, he's got like a seven three wingspan, he's really athletic, he's super tall.

I mean, there's no, it's not like it's a system issue like some of Houston's bigs who

are all like undersized with the same wingspan and have had like crazy block rates over

the years.

So it's not a system thing.

I just feel like this is a dude who should block shots more and he doesn't pass as

that. And that's one of the difference.

Like I don't think he has the same kind of like feel indicators as a guy like co-opete.

And so he's kind of just like a play finishing for who will be able to guard the perimeter.

But and rebounds for sure rebound a really high rate.

I mean, 10 offensive rebound 24.6% on defensive rebound on the season, even better in conference

play.

He does rebound, he does that as far as the big man stuff.

I just think he could benefit from another year.

I really do.

And I would just really focus on, you know, becoming a quicker decision maker and less

of and not having to be a play finisher.

And I would focus on protecting the rim and learning how to be a guy who can really

intimidate guys with my length.

And I just, you know, that to me is like a thinking the game thing, you know, because

if he like, you know, he'll get like collo wear, wear comps, collo wear, who, you know,

I think is taller also collo wear like a like 7% block rate, I want to say like his

pre-draft year.

So he was 6.5% his pre-draft year, 8.8% his freshman year, christenics at 2.5.

Yeah.

Like that's bad.

Yeah.

For a big man, like that's like, it's really bad.

Yeah.

So, you know, I just think he has to improve on that.

And that what makes me like his priors weren't that good either.

Like he had, he did not, he was in a good shop locker in high school.

So it was just something he's bad at.

And like I really think he needs to improve on it to like be a guy who's going to return

bottle value.

And I could see him going in the lottery.

I just, I think he could use in other years all of saying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm not going to fight anything that you said, but I do want to bring up something that

I think is important.

I think to your point, going back could be a very interesting option for him and maybe

even might be the right choice.

And the reason why I agree with all that is because, and you mentioned it, because you

saw him live.

And also, I believe our very own Tyler Rucker also got to see him live.

He is coachable.

Yes.

And he is one of these guys where coach Samson will get into, will correct, will teach,

will love his attitude.

And sin act to everything that you guys have said, absorbing it all.

And we've seen him, I think, develop and grow during the season.

So another season there in that ecosystem where they have such a strong emphasis on defense,

I think could be very beneficial to him.

So I just want to throw that in there, not as like an argument, but almost like, you

know, I'm supporting what you're saying and going back at a really, really help him.

If he stays there and stays with that coaching staff and, you know, to some of your stuff

with the room protection stuff, that might be a great opportunity for him to add that

to his arsenal.

And then he comes out next year and is an even more enticing prospect.

So I like that call a lot.

I like that one a lot.

My guy is going to be neocolous of Dallas, yeah, well, yeah.

And so the reason why I want to throw him out there, and he's a guy who has dropped all

the way into, I think, on my board, he's like 50 something.

And the reason why I wanted to bring him up is because he's a really good case study

for don't overreact to like one run or I don't overreact to early season success even.

Like you really want to take the whole season in its totality to kind of come to a judgment

on a player because, and I don't want to name who it is, but, you know, early in the season

and our no ceilings group chat, like, you know, myself and Nathan, Nathan, we kind

of brought up how we had some question marks about Abdullah's and somebody was kind of

like, hey, good luck with that guys because they were really high in Abdullah's and look

at where he's at now.

Abdullah's is not having, you know, the season that a lot of people thought he was going

to have was some of that early season success.

And I think when we look at a player like Abdullah's, it's easy to, it's easy to get intrigued

with a player like him.

Because he's got great size, you know, there's drill pass shoot potential with him is kind

of where people will think and it's like, okay, if you have this toolsy guy who's going

to be, you know, as tall as he is, that sounds really exciting and intriguing.

But he throughout the season has proven that the shooting really isn't there and that,

you know, he's had some real valleys to his season and just, I think it's important

to take the totality of the season is kind of where I'm at and he definitely should

go back to school or, yeah, what what other, I think he should just go back.

Yeah, I mean, I he didn't make our latest mock at Ocealing's MBA dot com.

He's not ready to be an MBA pro.

He's still intriguing as a long term prospect if if he decided to just, you know, like take

the slow, the longer route, I don't know, like, I think that he could develop into something

interesting.

If he wants to jump into that pond now, because ultimately, like, I do think he probably

gets drafted.

He's 69.

He could pass and, you know, he can create his own shot.

He probably gets drafted.

I just don't see how he ever steps on an MBA floor, like, you know, get ready to learn

in Oceola, buddy, you know, I hope you enjoy Maine this time of year, you know, like,

so I'm with you.

I mean, look, we were skeptical, really skeptical.

So it's not necessarily surprising, but, and look, this is from two guys who like Yeg or

Demon, Yeg or, you know, like, both had him top five.

So like, we like big guys with questionable jumpers.

I just don't think that he was on that level.

I don't foresee him coming to the MBA next year and shooting 40% on threes.

You know, so yeah, I think that's a good call.

Yeah, just, you know, overall really struggled with efficiency this year, um, 38% from the

field, 31 from three, 67 from the free throw line.

Once again, very intriguing toolsy forward, but had struggles.

And so yeah, we're definitely on that, but, um, we'll be back and we're going to wrap

on some of, uh, both of our boards and where we're at, but we'll get into that right after

the break.

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We wanted to keep it simple.

We just wanted to do a very short and sweet peer review.

I'm going to go over my top 10, Corey is going to go over his top 10 and we're going

to kind of talk things out because our top 10s are not identical and I just want to see

where they differ how we're feeling about stuff.

So I can go first.

So my big board I still have Darren Peterson at the top at number one.

At a Kansas at number two of AJ DeBonza at number three.

I've got Cameron Booser at number four.

I've got Caleb Wilson from UNC.

He's still so old and strong at number four and number five to no surprise to anyone

who's been listening.

I've got Keaton Woggler at five at six.

I'm holding on.

I've got Michael Brown Jr. at seven.

I got Derrius a cuff Jr. at eight.

I've got Braden Burries who I've moved up a ton.

He is now on my top eight at nine.

I have his teammate co-opete and at 10 I've got Kingston Flemmings just barely making

my top 10.

So that's my top 10.

Corey, share with us your top 10 and then let's compare.

Okay, at number one, I have Duke's Cameron Booser.

At number two, I have Darren Peterson.

At number three, I have Caleb Wilson.

At number four, I have AJ DeBonza.

At number five, I have Derrius a cuff Jr.

And number six, I have Michael Brown Jr.

At number seven, I have a day Mara.

At number eight, I have Braden Burries.

At number nine, I have Keaton Woggler.

At number 10, I have co-opete.

Okay.

Okay, so first thing, Elephant in the room, we've got to talk about.

I know a lot of people are going to think I'm going to ask him about a dimar.

I actually want to ask you Corey about Kingston Flemmings because he is a notable name

who is not in your top 10 any longer.

I think he was before.

Talk to us a little bit about what were some deciding factors for you

and not having him in your top 10.

I've watched him shoot a bunch of shots in person is the first thing.

And I know he's shooting 39% this season from three.

And then he's 83.9% from the line.

Now, to be fair, when I watched him in warm-ups, he hit every single shot.

And also, to be fair, when I watched Aman Thompson shoot in warm-ups when he was with OTE,

he missed every single shot he took and he made me look like an idiot.

So little does that mean, you know, I don't know how much that means.

But he doesn't shoot a ton of threes.

He's at less than six threes per 100 possessions from the point guard spot

for a guy who's got a 26.5% usage and plays with the ball in his hands a lot.

He doesn't get to the free-throw line either.

He's got this devastating first step and yet maybe it's just he doesn't have the strength

to absorb contact at the rim and he's not comfortable with contact.

28.6 free-throw rate is super, super low.

So when you're looking at a guy who is really good in the mid-range

but doesn't shoot threes or gets to the free-throw line, that scares me.

You know, just from an efficiency perspective, you know, 56.4 true shooting is okay.

But 52.1 effective field goal.

He's another one of these guys who fades in and out.

He's not really much of a rebounder.

He's a good defender.

He's clearly super impactful.

He's a really good reactive passer.

I don't think he really has the manipulative stuff that much.

But he's his first step is so quick that he forces rotations

and he's able to make the right reads.

But yeah, I just can't bet.

The scoring process and the fact that I don't know if he's going to be a shooter in the league

even though he's at 39% and then 80, whatever, from 84% from the free-throw line,

I just don't know if I trust those shooting indicators.

I think I had very similar reasons for Fleming's.

I still kept him in my top 10 just because of the season that he's having.

And also, upside-wise, I'm wondering like, you know, can he figure some of that stuff out, right?

Because he's such a dynamic athlete, a guy who really can get going downhill.

And if he just takes that all the way downhill and starts doing more at the basket

and drawing more fouls, we, you know, I think a lot of that efficiency stuff

will be helped by that.

The outside shooting stuff though, like I'm with you, like I have real question marks on

it just because of how it looks.

But, you know, I've paid the price on that a couple of times just by judging guys off

of how their shot looks.

But yeah, anyway, Fleming's still a very interesting prospect,

but I can understand why you dropped him out of your top 10.

A dimara, you having him at seven, I think is very intriguing.

I am going to refrain from saying too much just because my evaluation with him a lot of

it is rooted in after I saw him in person 50 times the last couple of years.

And I'm still having struggles with that.

Was there anything that you saw from my board that you thought was questionable or weird

or you had some questions about?

Not with the players that were there.

I just thought it was interesting that our order differed so much.

I get, you know what?

Cameron Booser at three, because if I'm not mistaken, you had him at one coming into

the year.

I did.

So I was a little, you know, I totally, if he was at two, I would have been like, but to

have him at three means that AJ moved up your board.

He did.

And so that was interesting to me, not wrong or that I disagree or what anything like

that.

I was just like, oh, that's interesting.

Yeah.

You know what?

I don't love it.

I don't, I don't think you can personally like, I don't really think you can do the top

four.

Like if you're top four is the top four that the consensus top four, I don't know how

you feel good about any of it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the thing.

The one thing I will say though, I still love Darren Peterson and I'm going to hold

on to that one.

I think that's the one thing where like, you know, like Nathan refuses to move Booz or

off of one.

That's kind of where I'm landing right now with Peterson.

I just, after what I've seen and what I've heard about him, the person and the player, I

feel strongly about it.

The Booz or Devonza one is that's going to flip flop every single day between now and

the draft.

So I think that's where I'm at right now I have Devonza too, but tomorrow I might wake

up and be like, hey, so Booz or just always wins and he's unstoppable and he is a dynamic

offensive weapon who shot over 40% from three and was like 47% from three in high school.

So he's always going to shoot the ball well and do a ton of guard stuff and is really smart

and then I might change my mind and put him at two tomorrow.

So yeah, maybe I've already put him into my mind because of what I just said.

It's all I love him like, funnily enough, like I did the pod earlier this week with Kevin

O'Connor and Cam and Kate and followed me on that episode in the last segment.

And Cam kind of got dogging him.

I've never listened to his interviews and K.O.C. says something about his shooting and he's

like, yeah, he's like, I guess you've never watched me before if you think I can't shoot.

But that's the thing where we've said consistently, he's like, there are no question marks with

his offense, like he is going to be a great offensive player.

You might have some questions about him defensively, I can understand that.

But offensively, like he does it all, handle the ball, pass the ball, shoot the ball and

the passing is not simply just, oh, he moves off the ball, he is a very high level processor.

So anyway, he's great.

But we've gone very long today, but we're just very excited.

This is the time of the year where every conversation means a lot to us because we really

are starting to split hairs, but we really hope you guys enjoyed this pod and enjoyed

this episode.

We're going to have more exciting stuff for you guys next week.

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