2026 Trade Deadline Recap with Elliotte Friedman

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Leaf edition hour here 5 p.m. Eastern as we are now closed off two full hours since the trade

deadline. A few things have trickled in including a very big one with Naz Kadri going back to Colorado.

We'll get it into all of that. We've got a terrific show for you. We've also got

a bread tree living in an hour to talk about his day. Doug McLean. We'll sneak in on this

special off the rails. Trade deadline day at about hour and a half. In the meantime, boys

and for each and studio in the first hour. Oh my gosh, I forgot about for each that guy.

I put in a shift in a half today as they always do. Yeah, we're coming right off of them.

Kind of felt bad because really everything got really kind of going a little bit

towards the end of the day, whether it was Brayden Shen going to the islanders, your islanders,

JB. And of course, Kadri, after the 3 p.m. deadline, they snuck it in. It didn't get reported till

little after that. Yeah, I mean, I didn't hear about it till four. So there you go, but in the meantime,

like watching paint dry, boys, I got to be honest with you. I've been through these a lot of

these over the years. And I felt for those guys up on the desk because all you could see is just

the tap dancing going on from hour to hour. I just I can't remember a year where there was more

names in play and less happening. It's Robert Thomas and Kyru and Pareko. It's Rasmus,

Ristalline and Nazim Kadri and all these names. All the least every guy on the leaves might as

to and nothing, nothing happened. And then yeah, like around three o'clock things started to happen.

But that was a slow day, much slower than anticipated. And I would say a disappointing day for a

lot of fan bases who thought their teams were going to be a big step today. Like a lot of teams,

I just think Detroit got Falco or Falco K, Buffalo didn't end up getting Shen and Stanley

said a Pareko. Yeah, taller, worse Pareko. Yeah, you know, there's just a bunch of teams that I

think were I know Islanders fans that was going to be Robert Thomas for them or Kyru. Shen's

still pretty exciting. Yeah, different degrees of excitement. I we're going to get in the

Leafs for sure. But and and maybe a little bit in this in the national hour, but we're national

both. Just oh, we are. Yeah, we're national. Okay. We are on national. We are on national

television right this moment. All right. Right this moment nationally. He didn't really put that

in the lineup. We are live on sports. That's Porsche 590 to fans. Porsche 960 650 screaming. I just

got the top. That's all. Hey, when when have we been able to trust what it says?

The line up. That is it. But you say it's not really the line up. It's plainly focused.

You're right. And he's right. Okay. All right. Just just a quick thought. Okay. Before we break

all of it down. Okay. Do we have to kind of revisit this thing like as a whole as an industry

this trade deadline day from like how long we want to make people sit and wait for trades to

note no trade clauses killing this day to like is it too late in the season? Do we have to kind of

the leagues, the networks, the players association, everybody get together and go maybe we've

got to fix this day a little bit. No. Well, I mean, if you want to fix it, bring back the get rid

of the playoff cap and bring back double retention. Okay. I mean, I think this was the year that we

really saw to Sam's point, the double retention, the almost 40% of the league with either no

move or no trade. And it's like, do we really want to ask people to possibilities of taking the day

off to watch three trades in five hours? But keep you as much as anyone have been around for the

evolution of trade debt. Yeah, but they were a lot better than today. All mine were way better this.

There wasn't a thing. And you started 98 at sports. Yeah. And we were doing shows a few years

after that. A few years after that. But before that, there was no nothing. It was just it was the

trade deadline. Nothing trades would happen. Whatever. And it's smoke signals to get a trade out.

So for like 20 years, we've created this as like an event. Yes. And I don't know if for the players,

is that fair? Like the event of uprooted. I'm just saying like to be like, we no more no trade

clauses. It needs to be more guys traded. I don't think anyone wants that. But but I don't want

fans. I don't want three quarters of the markets also very disappointed that they did nothing today.

And they are told now because they couldn't find someone to go to their market. That's all.

As I'm a fan, I'm the person they're supposed to. Okay. And I'm glued to it. Okay. And I'm glued

to my phone. So maybe what we got here in its entirety wasn't the greatest day. But it's the

pursuit of something potentially happening. That makes it exciting. I just don't know. It's like

it was today one off was today one off or is this going to be a harder situation now moving

forward because more guys continue to say, I don't want to go there. And then, you know,

cold break, I'm sorry, but was an embarrassment for all of us the other day. I think less guys may

get traded in the future just generally because the cap is going to go up so much that guys teams

can keep guys there. You know, for a while there, it was like, okay, but you don't want to keep

guys. Some teams are dying to get rid of their guys. Well, then other teams have the ability to

take them on. I don't know. I'm not okay. All right. Fair enough. I think it's just maybe,

if it's really brutal next year, let's have that conversation on our show. We are on a leaf

edition hour. Are we not semi or are we just national? It probably says leave sour up top. Maybe

there. No, it doesn't. No, it's not. Okay. Where do you guys want to start then? I think we

should probably start with the Cadbury thing and then we can go to the leaves. Like Cadbury's

the biggest news of the day. No question. And you broke it. So yeah, no, I did not break it.

Elliott broke it, I think. Yeah. I just broke the fact that they already had a deal done the other day.

And it got out real quick. And I think it made everybody kind of revisit that.

If Cadbury, if you don't find a way Calgary to get Cadbury to Colorado,

you don't want this, you don't want Cadbury coming back in that room. Unhappy at that point if

it didn't happen. That's putting it mildly. Yeah. I think you just, you want to snap down them.

Yeah. Yeah. He was ready to go back. They wanted them. It was a fit. I'm what's curious about

it is. I have to believe they acquired Nick Waw thinking they weren't getting Cadbury.

That has to be the case. I think, I don't think you're wrong. I think it's just a,

well, obviously a downgrade from what you thought you could have gotten now.

Now they're Codbury, Brock Nelson, Nick Waw making the kid in the fourth line center.

Yeah. Jack Dury too is like the fifth line center. A first rounder for a fourth liner.

Yeah. Try to win a Stanley Cup. But they have sent all their first.

They're all in. Of course, the big news was a 20% retention that

they just seem to be totally off on. So somebody green lighted that. And I'm sure as an ownership group,

you like Cadbury, you respected Cadbury and you did right by him. Yeah. And now, so 20% is,

he makes $7 million. That's $1.4 million. Five six. That's they they have them at five six.

For the next three years, what a fantastic number. Well, this year, a fantastic number. Yeah, like

that's all day long, Cadbury at five six. And that's this year plus three, right? No.

This year and two more after. I think it's this year plus three more years. Okay. There you go.

You have four cup runs with a Cadbury at five six. I like him. You know, I like him too. He

is one guy that can sometimes maybe look at a guy like Nate McKinnon and just tell him to kind

of chill a little bit when he relax on just relax just to tie the chickpea past a bro. We can have

a donut. So I listen, they've they've already done it once. They've won a Stanley Cup. And

they they've proven that they can be a terrific one, two punches leaders. There's no mistake.

Colorado Calgary is going to finish last. Good. They are going to give themselves the best

possible chance at one of two or three guys. I mean, I shouldn't say for sure last, but,

you know, in the bottom, one of the bottom two leafies. Um, so I'm sorry, Vancouver's 12 points

behind them. Oh my god. They're awful. Golly. Okay. And they only traded. Okay. Michael and so

camp. We got we got Montreal. We got Ottawa. I win a peg. Where do you guys want to go? Toronto.

All right. So we're going to have a general manager, Brad tree living at the top of the hour.

I would imagine that we're going to figure out what kind of questions we're going to ask him

right here right now. Uh, but just one word to describe Toronto Maple Leafs day-to-day

disappointing. Underwhelming. Underwhelming. Yeah. Yeah. We are directionless. We were expecting a

sell-off of four or five bodies. And you ended up with McMan going to Seattle for a second and a

fourth second in 2027. Fourth is this. Yeah. And uh, Scott Lotton goes to the LA Kings for a third

rounder that if I'm not mistaken, is tied to making the playoffs or missing the playoffs.

Second, if they make the playoffs, so right now they're 50-50 to make the playoffs.

Minus 105 on a lot of books to make the playoffs. Yeah. They have a pretty easy. So

where do you begin? I just Sam. Yeah. Disappointed with McMan.

I don't think the McMan one is disappointing to me. I think maybe we're dreaming on a first round

pick, but that one to me is your stock free agent 30 year old winger that you know, you're kind of

going to take the highest prize for the lot and one the number the third rounder seems a little

bit underwhelming, especially considering what he brings at that price. You're wondering if you

just maybe keep him and try to bring him back. And that's that's a that's a question for Brad at

the top of the hour is like like we all know what you paid for him and it's getting regurgitated

like crazy right now with Lee fans. But the biggest point that just hold on to him.

The biggest disappointment for me for sure is the fact like I was really dreaming on them coming

out of this deadline with two first round picks. And they I guess somewhat surprisingly got one

for Nick Waw before the Cadre thing happens. I'm really surprised it didn't trade all for

Ekman Larson and it seems that they had set a high price, which is fair. I understand that.

But you see fall going for a first. I know he shoots right, but I just

they're that one to me kind of leaves a mark. And I'm surprised that we're sitting here with him

still on the leaves. So I'm not on Sam's page with the where I'm frustrated by it.

You know, oh yeah, I think I've said on the show that like I didn't mind. If you really are

talking about a ritual, if you want to be good next year, you can trade this guy next year.

He still has to play off runs. He'll still have value then. I don't mind keeping him so much.

The lot in one to me is wild. Like a third round of Scott lot Nick Dowd went for a second and a

third. You know, you saw the value Dickinson got, you know, I understand there was the

Majopani money and that but he ends up with the first. Like it just felt like low end guys.

Michael McCarran went for a second. Like Scott Lotton's a player, man.

Sky's had numbers in the league. He's played minutes in the league that to just get a third was

dissapelling. I mean, it hasn't had the what numbers are you talking about? Well, he scored 15

goals. I don't know five times. Like multiple seasons as a is a depth scoring, penalty killing,

heart and soul type guy. You can't put him up against McCarran. Dowd Dickinson and say he's

an entire second rounder worse than those guys, right? The Dickinson is sorry.

Dowd was a second and a third. Yeah. So that's the one I tried. Yeah.

Lotton going at 257 or 258 Eastern time is right tree living trying to get that second

rounder out of anybody. And I think he probably did, right? Like I think that I think L.A. makes it.

So I think you get a second in that case. Oh, I don't have L.A. And not a chance. I mean,

they're three points back in the biggest poo poo platter of a division. There's a chance.

Kipper. All right. No chance is crazy. I look at that roster and I don't see it. But you're

right. Okay. But that's that is still the best. The best you can do. So I guess, you know,

we knew that there were a couple of these guys going to be out and they're flipping some guys

for assets. It doesn't feel like they have a ton of assets. You get a first, a second, a third.

I think a fourth and a fifth, right? I think you get one of, but in various future rounds.

And now you look at next year and they're significantly worse. They were Nick, Nick Wands got

Lotton played 3c and 4c for them. Pretty, pretty good in those spots. And McMahon was on their

top line. So now it's like, okay, the most significant pieces are in 2027, right? You're still,

yeah, those guys are two years away, right? You're still, you're still a year away.

So my question is, are they going to an Alastair's to Brad and we haven't, to have him,

do they intend to use these for picks or are they going to try to flip these for next season

and try to take another run? That's the plan, right? They're not that great picks. Even

Nick was a 30th pick. It's like, who do you think you're going to grab for that?

Another Nick Wands? Well, I mean, you were just here watching it first. I have value. I mean,

whether you think it's 30th or 26th or whatever, I don't think these picks are going to

bring you back needle movers, right? It's going to be tough guys. It'd be really tough for them

to look this time next year and go, yeah, we're, we're top 16 team now. Well, I mean, I mean,

that then would be super depressing. If you think that they traded Nick Wah, Scott Lotton,

and Bobby McMahon, and they didn't even get any assets that can get them back players,

which I disagree with you on, but that's, it's a pretty, I'm not saying they can't get it back.

It's just, I don't, I think if, if the cycle kind of remains consistent, you're kind of going

to get some of the players back that kind of gave up, right? That's totally not, they're not

different makers like true different, different makers. When I look at the Leafs capwages page,

or go to puckpedia and you see what it's like listed for their, for their first on picks and their

picks or whatever, for it to still be gray for this season and with a first and a second.

I don't think it's filled in yet, but you're right. First and second most of the first and second.

Yeah, it's no, it's got, they've got, well, they've got, you're right, but they don't have

this year's first and second are both gone. And I was really coming, hoping to come out of this

deadline with one of those two slots filled in this year's first or this year's second,

and to have them not get either of those coming out with the assets that you seemingly had,

it just, I don't know if you're waiting to the last possible second. Maybe that's a good way

to do it, just the optics of it to me just seem so similar to last year, but the opposite way.

My fan, I told Sam when I got in here, my fan like fantasy, you know, we want this team to do well,

we talked about them all the time. The dream was that they were going to get a bunch of assets

for all these guys. I said to you as last week, it should happen earlier, right? As early as you

make it happen. And then there's these distressed assets out there. It's Alex, Alex,

he left for an air is a guy that interests me. Maddie Benier, Shane Wright, some of these

type of guys that like, could you buy low on someone who's still young and has them upside,

and that that didn't happen? Apparently, you can't, right? You can't. I'm with you. If you got the

cap space, and you can, how badly do you want to get rid of them? And apparently you don't.

Yeah, true check. Come on. Yeah. The Rangers are, how does that not have a league and

well, they got a big win last night over the leaves. So maybe there's a change in their

glory. Honest to God. First time I thought about that hockey game. I forgot about that.

Oh, buddy, I've been thinking about her all day.

Seems like a million miles ago. I've been thinking about her all day. Yeah.

You guys didn't have to watch and do leaf stalk after. I've been thinking about it.

They think. Yeah. So, you know, I don't feel any different about their chances for next year

than I did at 12 PM Eastern today, which is not where you want to be. Yeah, these are tree

questions, right? Like, what's the step from, okay, that was clearly step one acquire assets.

Got some. God, I just, you know, you look at the day Doug Armstrong had, but all his big fish out

there and said, who wants what? And to the day, he still has Thomas Kyru, Peraco, and he ended up

with two first rounders, two third rounders and prospects. He was, he was very well said.

He was very consistent with his stance. I get what I want or I, we lived to fight another day.

That was obviously going into the draft. All of this, everything we've talked about,

everything we've bantered the last week over these names and faces and personalities.

We're going to be doing it again at the draft. Yeah, the same, it'll be Tro check, Thomas and Kyru,

all of it, all of it. So, the islanders did pay a pretty steep price to get Braden Shannon.

You could, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And made Cadrian and Shen, right? I mean, two out of maybe four,

five, centerman that we thought could go. Shen is 34 years old, two more years after this year.

So three playoff runs at 6.5. For the islanders, they got off drew ends money. That was the big one,

this year, four million, this year, and next. So it's a little bit of a Magiopani situation there.

And their, their pick is like the leaves of Colorado pick, which is probably 28, 9, 30 somewhere in

that range. So, you know, Blue is Jersey's are so beautiful. But so the islanders now, they

resigned Peugeot. They're kind of the, they're, it's funny. Darshan's kind of made them heavy,

like a playoff style team. They got Palat and Susie, you know, Anders Lee, they're, they're,

they're a playoff type team if they get it. And when I found out it was the avalanche pick

from this year in that trade, I liked it even more. Like it's, you know, you,

you're ahead of schedule here. Clearly, you have one of the best young players. You're not

the best young player in the league. And then you're, you know, you got to, the best one,

the best goal is like, I don't, I don't hate it. With, with Florida's success, no question.

It's an easier pill to swallow for their fans. There's ownership, the management to

take a year off right, miss the playoffs. But for others now, like the Leafs,

even Ottawa right now scratching and crawling to get in. Like this is the year,

in the East, that a team like the Islanders can go, yeah.

Let's go today. They play Pittsburgh. You know, like, go ahead and take your, you know,

take your chances against Stu Skinner. And, you know, obviously they have historic great names,

like Crosby and Malkin. But after that, it's a lot of young guys. Yeah. It's a lot of

Ben Kindle and crew out there. I tap all of a sudden finds themselves on a bit of a losing

streak. What do they do? They go out and they get Corey Perry. The worm. The worm is back.

Is he, he must be a single guy. He's just like, trade me. I don't have a family.

Oh, he's got to have it. So yesterday Ken Holland, no, he does. I think he's actually,

Ken Holland went to him and said, would you lift your, no, no movement or, no trade? And he said,

no. And then I don't know today. Well, what did tell me?

Well, it went the other way. What a Tampa Bay second round pick. He's, he's like,

47 years old. Yeah. But you got, I mean, he's special. No, I'm, I know. But like, it is incredible.

Again, Scott Lawton fighting to get a second. And he's 30 years old. Yeah. Oh, listen,

you're giving up a second for a 40 year old. It's like, if you're Ken Holland, you're like,

yeah, I just walked Corey Perry for Scott Lawton, got a second, traded over to third.

Yes. I think I got better and got a better pick. So he's got 28 points and 50 games again.

But he's your level goal 17. Yeah, man, like he is special. He's Corey Perry. He is.

It's a different thing. He is. And he's got the familiarity with that franchise clearly.

And they guaranteed the legal to a Stanley, another Stanley cup final. I had this thought today.

Imagine they go and they play the oilers and lose to the oilers. Oh, man.

Had that thought today. Yeah. There's a documentary waiting on this guy.

Thank God he won a cup early in his career. But it is, it is wide open, right? It really is.

I saw a stat and I apologize to whoever had this out there. But of the last seven Stanley

cup final, so that's 14 teams, something like 13 of them have had expected goals, percentages,

over 50. You know, every team is in the final is a good team. This year, half the playoff teams

are below 50. Like there's, it's a bizarre year where some random team. Could it be you,

Islanders? Could it be you, Anaheim? You know, Ottawa could get in. Yeah. Ottawa could absolutely

go on a run. Who you afraid of? Outside the central central and no one else. Tampa okay. Yeah,

I'm scared of them a bit, but like they're not unbeatable. No, they're not unbeatable. And Carolina,

I mean, I think they're very good, but a lot of people will go, how about them training for

Delaurier boys? It was, they were on a mission to try to get a star tougher. No, tougher. They wanted

toughness. I mean, I don't know what this does for them in the playoffs. What's worth conditional

seventh round pick or for future considerations? What would you rather be traded for? Oh, I guess

the seventh guy there was traded. Had it a deal in place for them a couple years ago. They are

a little soft. Yeah, but I mean, he's a little bit. We've seen it a hundred times. When like,

your core is plug in, core, core is like that doesn't, yeah, putting, trying to tack it on doesn't

make you tough. Nope. So true. Doesn't work. Disappointments, Montreal, not ready. It's okay. I heard

their name today. I am okay with that. I'm okay with them going. Look at prices are high. We

know that we're coming along and we don't want to blow our brains out on something right now.

They got all their picks, man. They're, I think they thought about a cap space. I thought about

maybe Bennington, but I it went nowhere. Do they go anywhere on NAS boys? I don't think, uh,

no, no, not that, not for my information. It surprises me. Because if you get him at whatever

they got, I mean, that's for them. Were they a rat? Good veteran center? I don't know. That's

just a good one to me. I think they felt he was just a little too old for them.

For where they're at. For where they're at. Speeding up the process a little bit too much for them.

It's an interesting thing of when to put the pedal down. You know, I've got a,

what do my standard Daryl Sutter stories talk about being in San Jose and they had a six-year plan.

They were terrible. I had a six-year plan. And by year five felt like they could win. They

traded Jeff Reason for a team of Salani. And it didn't happen and all the sudden things start going

apart. You start rushing things. The pressure goes up. I feel like a lot of these teams,

Anaheim for me, the John Carlson trade, which we haven't even mentioned yet. I don't know. I

write guy wrong time situation for me. I mentioned that name a couple times earlier this week.

Yeah. And, uh, uh, people love this trade wasn't surprised at all.

But me, you know, you know, I know nobody mentioned all day that Washington gave up a first and the

third, which is a great return. And the guy could resign this summer. So easily.

Washington got a first and a third man, Anaheim. Yeah. And he could just go back there. Yeah. Yeah.

And I, I don't know if it's going to happen, but. Oh, he's broken up over it.

It could, it could, it could easily be Carlson just doing the Washington capitals a huge favor here.

Yeah. I mean, for Anaheim, the reason I'm more hesitant about it is they're one of the worst

defensive teams in the NHL. This is like not a plan area that John Carlson helps them

necessarily. They already score pretty good. And then I just think those guys that they are going

to win their cup. It's Leo Carlson, Beckett, Seneca, Cutter Goche, Jackson, the comb. You know,

Carlson's not the timeline doesn't add up to me if they're going to extend them. So

that's a pretty big price to pay. And I saw people say, oh, they got covered stock

in Anaheim. Yeah, but that's still an asset. You can use it in a different way. You never just

want to go, oh, it's just a first. Falk to Detroit. Detroit. Hold on. Hold on. We're not done on

Washington yet. Okay. Oh, you want to talk with David Camp? No, I want to talk about OV. Yeah.

You didn't get any sound on it, did you? No, I didn't. So tell me what you thought of OV.

And his reaction. Satisfied. It's something he's going to be. Sounds like he's going to be playing

for Dean of all men's connects here. So it's not like to me. Surprise, not surprised.

I mean, that's so busted up over there. Do you think now this is the

the cherry on top of the Sunday to his career in the NHL? Is he done? I'm asking you.

You're asking if this affects things. Well, it's I does feel strange that Washington

appears to be punting on the year when they're as close as they are to making the playoffs.

Like that part, I think, would be frustrating. They're four points out of a playoff spot.

You got an aging defenseman and you got an incredible return. But I think it's right. I don't

think you can't turn it. You can't turn it down. What do they do? They went and got little

a grin. They got the lily pad. They got the lily pad. Do it. So, right? I mean,

I mean, I'm with you. I think it's brilliant. And like I said, he has the option of going back.

But is he going back with OV going back? Or is this just the sign of it's over for OV? It's over

for Carlson. And we're moving on. I don't know. You wouldn't be talking about this if you didn't

think there was some chance. This is. Yeah. I think I think this was a subtle way to tell OV.

We don't want you back. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they're kind of I do. If they played him

like a field goal kicker this year, like they bring him out in the power of play and let him

stand in his rocking chair in the one time or spot. Yeah. Stay out there. Don't skate on the

side. He's got two different types of skates on. So like a kicker doesn't. He's got an

ozone deploy deployment of 104% somehow. Now you can be Washington's management and go on,

please don't come back. Please don't come back. We could really use your 10 or 11 million dollars

and the salary cap. You don't need the bad press that comes with making of a decision.

But it could be over easily overseen by the owner and go, no, that's my buddy. That's my

adopted son. That's right. Well, he's not a meal ticket anymore. He was. He was a meal ticket.

And I squeezed him and got every dollar off of him. And he's been an amazing guy. And

if he wants to come back, he's coming back. Yeah. The owner would be like, listen,

this guy still brings people to the arena. Like if I go watch a capital scheme,

he's the number one guy I want to watch. Number one guy as a hockey analyst who does us for

living. Stores guy. Yeah. Because I think he's hilarious. I think he can absolutely rifle it

from the spot. You have still now next year. What is he? What has he got for goals this year?

You have your the 25 goals and 63 games. I know. The all time leading score in the history of the

national hockey league. Bring your kids down to watch him stand in the top of the circle and

blast box. It really does make for an interesting conversation on where this all kind of plays out

for OV and the team. And you get why why he's upset about Carlson. They've been playing together

since. I know. I mean, Carlson's been in the league since 09. He didn't die. But they played

together. I mean, it's your your best buddies. They've been to how many games.

But all good things need to come to an end at some point. And is this the start of the end?

Probably. He's a fair question. And then that would might change some other things. They

have some good young players there. But he got PLD Tom Wilson, Protas, McMichael, Ryan Leonard.

I like a lot. Ethan Frank. They just resigned. There's guys. They've got some good pieces.

Guys there. Okay. All right. We'll want the break here. I'm with the break. Wow.

Covered a lot already 30 minutes. I was going to want. No, that's okay.

We're good for region here. We got free Jeff to the break. Yeah. Okay. Well,

I just want to mention Detroit. Was that enough for you guys? Volk?

I don't know. No, it wasn't enough. It definitely makes them better. But I'm kind of waiting for

Isoman to, you know, really first of all was was that enough for Dylan Larkin?

He should be pretty happy. I mean, he's a 20 plus minute guy legit. You know, I mean,

believe it. You're saying to me right now. No, you think you think Larkin would have wanted more.

Yeah, I do. Better than last year. Yeah. Okay. Well, low bar. They didn't do anything last year.

I just know I feel like in a wide open year, you got a year, everything's kind of coming together

for you. Sider and Edvin Center. Unbelievable. They they're a below average offensive team.

Is Justin Falk changed that significantly? I doubt it. And I'm sure he's disappointed in that.

All right. Okay. Just my guess. Okay. Let's take a quick break when we return our very own

Elliott Friedman fresh off of trade day. We'll join us next when we return to Real Kipper and Born.

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I'm going to get kicked out of here in a matter of moments when the one the only Elliott Friedman steps in

here and everybody listening only happier. You think you can make it here on his own?

Our boys show collapse. Show Ali is strolling him over here as we speak. So

spring a cot and let him lay down. I am. I didn't wake up to some strange hour tweets from

Fried. Oh, yeah. The Carlson thing I woke up to this morning. Like six stories. Oh, that happened.

Yeah. So I'm curious to see what his schedule has been.

Anything else out there before we get Fried. She want to touch on.

What happened around the time the Carlson thing happened? There's another one. Minnesota made

some moves today. Uh, Clarkson Vancouver, Garland. Garland, right? Yeah. Who hasn't even kicked in

his new contract? Six by six. I love it. So

Okay. You love it for Columbus. Yeah. I think it's

I don't know. Too much term still on him. Yeah. Totally.

With it with it on an organization that really watches is their nickels and dimes. But I do think

they're also an organization that not a lot of players are waving to go to. I think that's been

a really big story in all of this. Like the Canadian teams are having trouble. I think the

Ottawa senators tried to do nothing today. Probably not. No, they tried. They tried. It was just

too expensive. And Steve Stales is still new to this. And the tendency when you're new to this

is I got to win the trade, right? I got to I got to I got to look good. Yeah. I cannot

I can't lose it. And I can't look like an inexperience. I got to and I don't think there was a good

enough deal out there. I actually think that's evolved in the NHL. I think it used to be two GMs

being like, I got something that can help you. You have something that can help me. We both have

too much at these different positions. Let's make a trade. Yeah. These days, it feels more competitive.

You want to win your trade and I do think Vogel's a nice pickup for him. He'll play with Pinto,

I think on the third line. He's big. I mean, we value draft picks. No question as we

everybody should, but I don't. Third rounders may. What is what's the third rounder to play

200 games at? You can get an NHL player for third, fourth, fifth, sixth. Do it. Go get an NHL.

All right. Welcome. I'm in Elliott Friedman, hockey, nine Canada, 32 thoughts and coming off.

I don't know how you would describe this trade deadline from others in the past, Elliott, but

started slow, finished strong. Yeah. Was it the slowest you've ever been a part of for me?

I can't recall four or five trades going into the last hour. The only one I ever remember

that was slower than this one to start. Do you remember the one where Mark Stone went to Vegas?

Like nothing happened all day and then he got traded at like 257. Yeah. For some reason,

that's the one I remember as the slowest, but there was a time there when I was like,

I'm definitely not earning my money. I just hope nobody notices. It's also it's not your job

to create trades. Well, some people would disagree with that. Yeah. Well, the fascinating thing today

was all the big names, particularly the Blues players that were rumored to be out there,

that things didn't happen on. I guess why do you feel like today was as stagnant as it was?

And I recognize that it did get moving towards the end, but I still think most people thought

more was going to happen. You know, guys, I think there's there's two things. Number one,

I think that the double retention thing really hurts. This year, if you want to double retention,

you had to trade for a guy I think on December 2nd. So that hurts. That really hurts.

And the second thing is, and I don't have a problem with this. I really don't have an issue with

this. You sign a contract. You live up to the contract. You aren't on the contract. But the

no trade clauses like in St. Louis, that absolutely was a huge factor. And I would suspect that not

only was it the ones we knew, but I would bet that some of the St. Louis players had indicated,

even before trades got done, there were some situations they were not going to be waving to.

So I think that I think the no trades in no booth, they play a like with Carlson, John Carlson,

like Washington said, we are not even going to ask him about a team on his list.

Now they had plenty of other teams they could talk to. But even if you don't have a full one,

you have a partial one. It cuts down business. Yeah. Did you think the situation with

Peraco and St. Louis and Buffalo and how it leaked out and how it got right to the last detail about

everything. All things considered felt like a done deal. We talked about it like it was a done deal.

And then of course, then the no move kicks in and the things shut down. Do you think something

like that would have the league, the players association, you know, everybody involved,

relook at all of this and go, what are we doing here? Well, it's a great question. I don't know,

did you guys watch Doug Armstrong today? He went through the staff. He went through the,

I mean, you can do that. That's crazy. That's one of the reasons that I'm so particular with

sources is because I know that there are people that would do that if they could.

You know, I'll say this Nick, do what? Like go through phones. Okay. If they could.

I'll say this. I've told the story now a couple of times. I left here on Wednesday after doing

a hit with Dave Amber 630. I got a call from a guy who's been on legal a long time, an executive.

And he said, you're going to listen to me. I'll let you for 10 minutes. And this was the

night the weager thing happened. And I said, okay, and we get along really well. And he just

screamed at me about like what a disgrace the parakell thing was and the weager thing was.

It happened to Jason Dickinson too. Like he didn't wave. He was going to, but he didn't.

Were you a proxy for his general frustration? It wasn't so much you specifically.

Well, I reported the weager. So I was part of the barrage. But like he was just saying,

you know what he said, Nick? It's like, it's like a bad luck. That's what he said.

And I described it as having A-gon every once face. Yeah. I mean, you know, first of all,

like I said, in my case, with flames in Utah, I didn't find out from the team. So nobody was

using me to put pressure on someone. I'll tell you this. Today, I was really careful about the

Brayton Shan one because he, I wanted to make sure when I reported it that he had actually

agreed to wait for all this reason. I don't know what you can do, Nick. But there's no question

that this, this left a bad taste. Just stop handing them out like candy. Let's start there.

Yeah. You know what? Like I thought it'd be excellent at a good point. Like sometimes you take

a couple hundred thousand less a year. And you pay for it. And you pay for it. But you know, Nick,

I do think in the next CBA, we just got through the last one. I do think you'll see the

possibility of taking some of this stuff. Yeah. I mean, people do like player movement.

From a league perspective, you know, it is players don't know less cool for them.

In studio, Ellie and Friedman joins us on trade deadline day. Ellie, it's the biggest story in

Canada. And as a cadre, a deal apparently was on the table yesterday. Yesterday, we both

talked about it, not passing the smell test, I think, in Calgary with the owners.

Retention was a big deal throughout negotiations all season long. If we've mentioned

cadre, possibly being traded, they ended up pertaining 20% of it. How surprised were you?

I was shocked. You know, I watched you guys yesterday. I was listening to what you guys had to say.

And you know, I honestly, Nick, after they made the Nick Wad deal, I just assumed it was all over.

It was dead. And so when I heard about it today, I was shocked. But you know, first of all,

how about the avalanche making that deal? And they don't give up anybody from like the core of their

team. But you know, Nick, I give the flames a lot of credit. You know, they could have eaten this one.

Caddy was a good flame. He was, he was a good flame, not only when they were good, but he was also

a good flame when they weren't very good. Like the player, especially the young players will tell

you how helpful he was. At the end of the day, they did the right thing. And you just hope like,

I'm a believer in good karma. And you hope that that's good karma. But Nick, honestly, I didn't see

any way this was happening after yesterday. I'll take it to another Canadian team, Toronto Maple Leafs.

They had sat out three guys. They moved Nick Waugh outside of that group and then moved

McMahon and Lawton. I personally thought that a lot in return was a little light, but was there

other Maple Leaf deals that were being worked on that were close? Or was this sort of all they

were able to muster up? I don't know that there was anything else yet that was close.

OEL, I heard never got close. I think, I think Ekman Larson knew that there were teams that wanted

them, but they set that price of a first and a second. And even Edmonton, Ekman Larson,

at least knew that the others liked them, they never went to him with anything. It was never close.

I'm trying to think if there was anyone else, I think by the end, they had almost everybody

out there. Yeah, almost everybody out there. I heard this week, they were like, if you want to

call us with an idea, we'll listen to that idea. And I would bet that they got calls about

guys like McCabe, and ultimately they just didn't just didn't decide to do it, but I heard the

leaves were out there. Like I said, I wrote the yesterday with knives. Well, yeah, you put Matthew

knives as the lead pitcher. I know that was your editorial choice for sure. They told me they were

going to do it. I didn't think I would crash the site, but like, you know what, I think there

was something to that. I think they said, like, you know, it's not like we're throwing them,

like they just said, like if you want to make us a huge offer that would make us think about Matthew

knives, they wanted people to know that if you want, if you're serious, come at us seriously,

and we'd look at it. And we were just talking about it earlier before you came in that, you know,

with the fact that knives was out there, say what you will about how close or how realistic

it was. Robert Thomas Patterson in Vancouver, Elliott, these stories aren't going to go away now.

No, they're not. They're out there. There's like knives. It wasn't just like a throw it out and see

if we can hit a home run. They're going to do the same thing at the draft. They're going to do it

after free agency. It won't leave, right? I mean, you're going to be a busy guy. Yeah, I'll be

golfing, but you got you got two more months of shows. You got plenty of dust. You can kick up

before that now that it's out there. I mean, yeah, you know, it's it's all that it's no,

those definitely won't go away. Like I'll tell you this, like, Nick, you've done this job. You know,

if you get something wrong, people call you and they tell you, what the hell are you doing?

Nobody called me to say, what are you doing?

To me, like, so I'm thinking about knives, but somebody will call you and yell at you for 10 minutes.

That was, that was a good friend, though. He was just venting. He was venting. He was just

I have spent time thinking about knives and what does that potentially mean? Like, is there

another, like, a D that's that age that's valuable on a team who has too many D?

You know who I wondered about? I'll tell you, these are some of the guys I wondered about.

Well, like, when I heard that Nammach was out there, I wondered, could that be

a package? I understand. But that's the, yeah, he's going to be trying all foreign defense, man.

He has young, I see it. Like, I'll say this, like, I never thought when they signed knives

last summer, and it's a great contract, I never thought, like, it's not about Matthew Nies.

It's not. It's about the situation in the organization finds itself.

How do we get somebody to run a power of life in the back? Or how do we just get?

How, like, now at least they have that with because of the wide deal and the McMan deal and the

Lawton deal, they got picks now. They got lottery tickets. They didn't have a lot of lottery tickets.

I don't think this is about Matthew Nies at all. It is about the situation that they're in.

Elliot, does it feel like the general managers out there this year may have felt a little bit more

pressure in years past. Like, I look around and I'm like, I get Stevie Eiserman, Detroit,

you know, the son of, you know, the LHG is pretty much the adopted son, but I felt pressure

that he feels right now for Detroit and it went out and got false. I mean, it was up against

this captain challenging him just a year ago about lack of participation. And last year's

trade deadline, I look at Toronto, I look at New Jersey, like, you know, those general managers,

Brad tree living, Fitzgerald, I make, is it because of the double retention and these caps and

lack of movement that they're, they're feeling it even more this year than a year's past these

general managers. I think there's that. And also Nick, I think the fact that cap is going up,

like the expenditures are going to be so much more, right? And these teams are so much more

valuable. Like we saw, you know, Columbus yesterday, our Carolina yesterday and with small

percentage shares, the valuations always higher. But like, there's, there's a lot of money at

stake here. They're playing, they're paying a lot of money for their teams. They're paying a lot

of money for their payrolls, the expectations and the pressure. It's enormous.

Jobs pay well. Stan Bollman, is he feeling it? I, how could you not? Like, especially, you know,

with the, with the McDavid only signing it for two years, like his comments, by the way,

after the trades, I don't know if you saw it, McDavid the last day or so. You know, they asked him how

he felt about, he was like, yeah, they think that those guys can help. So I'll see this too.

I like, I watch this now like read too much. You know what I think it is. I think that social

media is such a powerful force now. People don't want to pour gasoline on their own fires. They're

like, I, if I say anything, trying to get out of there, people are going to run with. I really

think that, particularly him. Yeah. Biggest name or surprise that didn't move today for you.

Didn't. Oh, I would say, I think Thomas would probably have to be that guy. Thomas or Kyru,

because they were definitely out there. Troll check. Troll check would be another one.

Those are just a lane and couldn't find. I think at the end for Detroit, it came down to a choice.

Falker, Ristilainen and they took a fall. Really? Yes. I do. Wow. Yeah. I think it was one of the

and Ristilainen is not had a good year, but he had a good Olympic. It was really good in the

Olympics. And that drove the price up for for a Briar to want a Carlo situation that the Leafs took

on Boston last year with him. And last one quick, I know we have to get to break here pretty quick.

Minnesota wild did stuff, right? They did. They did. Brink McCarran, Falino, Petri. Are they?

I just wonder at the end, are they going to look at it and say we didn't get that center?

We didn't get that guy. Now, I think Aaron looks at it like we're going to build. We're going to

be here for a while so I can find it another way. But I just wonder if this year, they're going to

say that one hole is going to be a problem. Right. Although I think Quinn Hughes erases a lot of

problems. Yeah, he fixes some things, doesn't he? He knows they're for half a game. Papers over a few

issues. Well, I always a great job. You guys too. Great work, guys. Great work. Coming in, man.

My pleasure. That is Elliott Friedman. I can aim Canada. Sports and 32 thoughts. Does it all

around here? Get a good rest, my friend. Free agency just around the corner.

All right. Plenty more on this trade deadline day.

General manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, Brad Tree Living, set to join us at the top of the

hour. And a former one as well on a Friday. Doug McLean. Uh oh. Hold it's right. Yeah, after all

Friday with Doug McLean. Don't go away. We're just getting started here.