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0:00days, weeks, and even years ahead of the news cycle. Alex Jones live.com is tomorrow's news today. This is the early phases or the beginning of, I would say World War III, I get maybe more war IV, but this is the beginning of a world war. I mean, when you just look at how close these two fronts are, you're talking about Europe, we're talking about the Middle East, and then we're talking about basically everyone who's standing kind of against the American dominance. And again, China is who we're supposed to be worried about. I think most people agree that we should be worried about China, yet every move that we're taking from the time that we started supporting the Ukrainians and kicking Russia off the Swift system to start the war in Iran with the Straits of Hormuz, the biggest benefactor has been China. Since 2022, you, in Europe, European taxpayers, because that's where the money comes from. Remember that it doesn't get created, doesn't come out of nowhere. It comes from the taxpayer

1:01that's you. Since 2022, Ukraine has been given 220 billion euros. Think about that. That's just the money that's been given to Ukraine. Forget about the massive impact, the billions in impact that it's had on economies. Forget about the trade between Ukraine and Russia. All the damage that's been done to the European Union, for example, the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines, the blowing up of the biggest energy infrastructure project in history of European Union, destroyed, blown up. European imports from China have increased by 45 percent over the past five years, while our exports to China are declining. Our trade deficit with China now stands at nearly one billion euros per day, and it has risen another 10 percent since the beginning of this year. The CY Americans have a problem sending billions of

2:02our tax dollars to Ukraine. That's Arena Moudra, who was until last week the deputy head of Zelensky's own presidential office, you know, being walked out in handcuffs on money laundering charges. We just had to move our fleet away from the Pacific, which is actually our border. Is it the first time pre-World War II? We have no aircraft carrier over there. 14 percent of the Navy's fleet is now in the Caribbean, according to IEJ media, including a buildup of 10,000 Marines and sailors, a dozen warships, a nuclear-powered fast-attacked submarine, a special operations mothership with drone capabilities, three guided missile destroyers, and the USS Iwo Jima, with an amphibious ready group on board. The USS Lake Uri, a guided missile cruiser, with 32 Tomahawk missiles was pulled from the Pacific, and is now focusing on Venezuela, where the U.S. sent three B-52s escorted by stealth F-35s on a show of force mission. And the Russians also realize that we are caught right now in this, you know, quagmire

3:04in the Middle East. We're having to move strategic assets away from other theaters, very important ones like the Pacific to cover our bases in the Middle East. And so the Russians right now realize that our back is against the wall. We are running low on weapon systems, obviously. We got into the MOU. We got out of the MOU. We're stalled. So right now, is a time where Russia is having their back put against the wall because of what Ukraine's doing with our assistance. And I'm not, you know, justifying or covering for Putin, but I don't think Americans understand Russian politics enough to know that Putin actually is relatively moderate within Russia. There are people that are criticizing him in his military and in his political establishment that are saying that this war in Ukraine's gone for too long. And why aren't we being more serious? Why are we pushing forward? Why aren't we striking back? So I don't think the American people realize how close we are right now to a war that could, you know, change history, whether it goes nuclear or whether it just expands and Russia actually does start hitting some targets deeper into Ukraine or even some

4:04of our NATO partners. And then what happens after that, then we're going to have to respond. The date, the 1st of September, the day when World War II began, we need to make sure that there are no provocations globally that will instigate new global conflicts. I'm sure that our world will help us achieve that. These countries are allegedly trying to settle the conflict and are trying to get their place at the negotiation table. We have been underscoring many times that any foreign contingents that are preventing the durable peace are unacceptable and they will become legitimate targets. And their responsibility will be with those who has made the decision to further escalate the conflict. We've heard Putin say this multiple times that, you know, the President of the United States actually doesn't matter. It's the men in the dark suits who do matter. And so the Russians are very aware that we run NATO. And so everything that's being done to them by the

5:05Ukrainians with NATO weaponry, NATO targeting, they view it as... Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to War Room Live. I'm your host, Harrison Smith. Coming to you live this Wednesday afternoon, it is the 2nd of September 2025, now, 2026 rather. It's not last year. We got a very big show for you today. We're going to be joined by Margaret Roberts. She is a prize-winning investigative journalist and television producer. We also may be joined by some other people along with her to talk about the investigative documentary that the Tucker Carlson Network is putting out tomorrow about the Oklahoma City bombing. So we'll be revisiting a classic case in the conspiracy world and talking about how thoroughly the powers that be are able to manipulate the American people over decades. Very excited to talk to her. I admit I'm a little distracted. I'm a little distracted right now

6:06because I was watching the Adam King debate with Alex Jones. And I must have missed the part. Apparently Alex said, you know, he wanted me to do a debate with Adam King. I got to admit, I'm not interested. I'm not interested in debating this stuff with people like Adam King. I'm just not. Nothing, nothing against Adam King, but he's not an honest broker here. So why would we waste our time? You know what it reminds me of? Nobody listening to me right now is going to get this reference. Maybe there might be a dozen people in America that are going to get this reference and they're going to love it. The rest of you trust me on this. Come with me on this one. There used to be a little theater in Houston, Texas, just off Richmond Avenue called Radio Music Theater. And it was one of the funniest things you've ever seen. You'd go there and get dinner and watch this skid. I think three people did it and they'd all be changing clothes and play a bunch of different characters. It was an amazing production. I used to have a shirt from Radio Music Theater

7:10and it just said nails are glue. And if you understand that reference, you already know. Go with this. My big gun hard to explain. But there's a character in this play who could not be wrong. He couldn't be wrong. And if he was wrong, he had to explain why he was actually right. And so this quote, nails are glue comes from the scene where they're playing trivial pursuit. And he says glue. And the person says no, the answer is nails. And he goes into this long-winded explanation of how, well, if we all understand glue as being a substance that keeps up to other substances together and we can all agree that nails are made of a substance. And the purpose of the nail is to combine to the bubble and it just goes on and on. Therefore nails are glue. Just so we didn't have to be wrong at trivial pursuit. And it was, you know, it was a common theme for him where anything he got wrong, he'd come up with some sort of excuse as to well, he was actually right. There's one line where he says something about lady Gaga. And they're like, that's not right. He's like, oh, you think I'm in that lady. No, I was talking about Esmeralda, Gaga, of the 18th dynasty of Scotland, known of course as a lady as her,

8:16you know, position dictated. And it's like, no, you're just wrong. You were wrong about whatever you said. So just accept it and then we can move forward. But that's sort of the vibe I get, I guess, is my point. Is this is this is the mindset I think we're dealing with with the likes of Adam King. If you're arguing with somebody who is trying to convince you that nails are in fact glue, you could just stop talking to them. You just there's no point in talking to them anymore. You're not actually trying to get to the answer. You're not actually debating anything. You're just participating in their rhetorical rigamarole. You know, you're just you're on their carousel of semantics and it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. So I'm not really interested in debating any of this stuff. None of it is up for debate. Okay. You can assert over and over again that Israel did not get America into this war. Why would I have to subject myself to that lie? When we all know, when it is acknowledged by the very people that did it on the day that they made the decision,

9:21you've got Marco Rubio, Mark Warner, you know, Senator Mark Warner, you've got I think Chuck Schumer came out and said it that day. Obviously, Hegseth admitted it. Trump has said it multiple times. So, you know, am I going to sit here and debate somebody about whether the sky is blue? Why would I waste my time? That's genuinely how I feel. If somebody was like, you got to debate this guy, he is convinced the sky is red. I'm just going to be like, no, what? No. Why? Why would I do that? What would be the point of that? Why would I subject myself or my audience to just baseless lies that are prima facie absurd? Why would I sit here and have to try to argue whether or not nails or glue? If they're not, okay. So just stop saying that they are. I just keep on flashbacks. Radio music theater. The very, the, the very complicated reasoning that has to go into it. Well, you understand if we're going to define glue as something and it's just like, we're not doing this.

10:23We're not doing this. I'm not participating. I'm not going along with it. There's no point. There's no point because you're not actually going for truth. You're not actually going for anything you claim to be going for. So I'm not going to subject myself to it. But yeah, I did think it would be a perhaps useful time to, you know, look at one of the things that that was discussed. That is the account parody Jeff on X at parody Jeff. parody Jeff X, I believe. Because Adam King called out this account and said they're always just posting these random rabbis saying things and acting like they're important when really these rabbis are nobody. They're giving some speech to 12 people. Nobody cares. And then it goes online and suddenly blows up and they say he's friends with Nenya. Who? And that's just not true. Of course, the weird thing is I'm Kings like he's not friends with Nenya. Who? I'm friends with him. I talked to him twice a day. And it's like, so you twice a day talk to the rabbi that says all

11:28goi or slaves like what? What you do? You talk to that go, okay, conversation over. Like why are you having a conversation with somebody who's best friends with rabbi Mizrachi? Like that's nuts. That's nuts. But basically says, you know, these accounts parody Jeff being one of them post this stuff and it's all lies. And it's just all lies. And he said, I, you know, spread this stuff as well. Yeah, guilty. I do. I do. I do retweet things that are pertinent to geopolitics. And my own people's survival into the future. So I thought we'd kind of go down parody Jeff and see what he says and whether what he says is true or not. Because one thing the parody Jeff has started doing that I really appreciate is tagging Groc on a lot of his posts. And basically saying something that doesn't seem true that you don't want to believe on the face of it. And then just saying, is this true Groc and sure enough, you go into the comments and yeah, it's true. So I thought we could peruse parody Jeff here for a minute. Thailand declares national emergency over Israeli tourists,

12:33locals throw them out for causing chaos. They retaliate by destroying everything and behaving like absolute maniacs. Israeli chaos in the Netherlands, Maccabee, Tel Aviv football fans erupted after being told by locals. They aren't welcome. They blocked traffic surrounding cars and started pulling people out of their vehicles to attack them. And you know, I don't know when this happened. I remember this happening a couple months ago, which was true. But you know, maybe it happened again. Maybe it's a different date. You know, there are things like that that can happen to see here. This is what he does. Hey, Groc, what is the origin of this writer's surname? Stop pretending abortion is tragic. Why we should feel relief, not regret. And of course, he's tagging Groc in the hope that he points out as he does that it's an Ashkenazi Jewish surname of Yiddish origin. So this is what parody Jeff is sort of known for. But again, I think he's got some interesting statements here. Rabbi Schmooley rejects Jesus Christ. Tells Christians to stop crying over IDF soldiers lately, desk creating Christianside. He says Israel's protecting Christians and Tucker Carlson's the real

13:36enemy. Of course, of course. The IDF risks its life to protect Christians all the time. All the time. I heard Adam King say Israel wants Lebanon to be Christian. It's just like, no, they don't. Okay, I mean, this is what the debate would be like between me and Adam King. You know, Israel wants Lebanon to be Christian. Me, no, they don't. What are you talking about? Like what? No, they're literally depopulating Christian areas of Lebanon, the villages in the south. Some of them were exclusively Christian. They just blew up a crusader castle in Lebanon. They captured the castle. Then they blew it up. In addition to smashing statues of Christ with giant hammers, in addition to causing the refugee crisis that did actually turn Lebanon from a Christian country up till the late 80s, it was majority Christian, into the Muslim country it is now. That is a direct result of Israeli interference

14:37in the Middle East, Israeli activity, pushing the Palestinians into Lebanon and then going to war with PLO to destroy Lebanon, inspiring. Yeah. I mean, it's all Israel at the end of the day. It's literally all Israel. So to come on say Israel wants a Christian Lebanon. It's like, why would I let somebody say that to me? Why would I do that? That doesn't make me sense. You know what I'm saying? Like why would I subject myself to such an outrageous lie? I'm insulted that he would even try to say that. But let's keep looking. Hey, Groc, Baruch Lanner, a new Jersey high school principal was convicted of sexually abusing teenage students, including touching their breasts in intimate areas, was he Jewish? Let's find out. Let's see what Groc says. Yes. Baruch Lanner was an orthodox rabbi and principal of Haleli Ashiva high school who was convicted in 2002 of aggravated sexual contact and endangering the welfare of students. That's interesting. Rabbi Peter Shaqman was arrested

15:38in a New York child exploitation scheme after arranging a medium child to abuse her inside his synagogue. That one's more recent. I need to also retweece this other peto rabbi Jewish rabbi Peter Shaqman. Oh, it's the same guy, I guess, being arrested. Hey, Groc is this professor Jewish, professor who said pedophiles should be called minor attracted persons agrees to resign. I think we need to click the Groc button. I think we know our answer. Mark Levin flies to Jerusalem and starts denying everything before anybody even asks. I'm not an agent from Assad. I never conspired with the Israeli government. I don't take orders from Israel. That's from the 2026 International Policy Summit. Hey, Groc based off their documented crimes, who would you trust with an atomic bomb? Iran or Israel name the country first? Let's do a Groc has to say about this. Israel, it is widely assessed to already possess nuclear weapons yet has never used them across decades of conflict. Iran ran structured weapons program continues high-level enrichment. Remember, they literally

16:43lobotomized Groc in order to get it to be pro-Israel. Start with country Iran or Israel, which is directly killed more civilians and military operations outside its own territory since 2000. Israel available data from Betsellin, UNOCHA, Gaza Health Ministry and related Tally's attribute tens of thousands of Palestinian civilian deaths in Gaza. The West Bank Lebanon in Syria, two Israeli military campaigns since 2000. Majority of reported fatalities in major campaigns. Documents civilian deaths from direct Iranian military action outside Iran, primarily limited cross-border ops in Iraq and advisor roles in Syria, number in the low hundreds at most. But Iran would be more dangerous obviously. And 10 days we get to remember about the dancing Israelis. And then finally, I just want to go to a few more here, like this one, because these two I saw from parody Jeff and I didn't believe him at first. I was like, come on,

17:43really? Really? Israel has effectively shut down all Christian schools in Jerusalem after refusing permits for more than 70 teachers and staff. So let's do what Groc has to say about this. He could be lying after all. Adam King says he lies about everything and is always posting on the untrue things. But Groc says yes, reports from the general secretary of Christian educational institutions and outlets, including the Jerusalem Post, confirmed that all Christian schools and Jerusalem suspended classes starting today after Israeli authorities did not renew entry permits for more than 70 West Bank teachers and staff preventing a normal school year opening. Now I heard Adam King go on and on about how Christians were more safe now under Zionism than ever in history before. Just a little bit odd considering that the population of Christians in these areas was significantly higher after literally a thousand years of Islamic rule over that area. Since 1948, the population has cratered everywhere, including things like Lebanon, a formerly

18:47Christian country being turned Muslim. But obviously the West Bank and Palestine and elsewhere throughout the region, the Christian population has collapsed. And then finally this one, hey Groc did one of Groc's camera's directors Trevor Chandler previously worked for APEC for more than five years. Groc says yes, Trevor Chandler served as progressive outreach director at APEC from 2017 to 2022 over five years. He's currently the senior director of public affairs at Flock Safety, which I think is fascinating. I think that's extremely fascinating. So so this is what I mean. I mean if you're asking me to choose between parody Jeff and Adam King, I got one guy who's apparently best friends with Rabbi Mizrachi, a guy who thinks that I is a non Jew and just destined to be a slave. You're asking me to trust somebody who says that Christians are the safest now than they've ever been despite the fact I'm watching with my own eyes. And in fact, we'll be joined on Friday by Jason Jones who runs a vulnerable people project

19:50that is documenting in real time the deliberate extermination of Jewish people from the West Bank. Yeah, I'm going with parody Jeff on I'm going with the anonymous anti-Semitic, uh, you know, Twitter account on this one because they're more honest obviously. I mean the proof is there. But I guess you can believe whoever you want. So it's sort of a bit of a long ramble, but I got out of the videos that, you know, this sort of falls into same type of thing. I got videos of a Ben Shapiro, you know, trying to explain how how stupid everybody else is when they don't understand just how amazing and perfect Trump is and the GOP is and that now it's been taken over completely by Israel. That's probably a good thing actually and you're the bad one for not liking it. And I've got the video, but half of me is like, do I even give it the time of day? Like, do I really have to go through and just point by point? Just be like, that's a lie and that's a lie and that's

20:50ridiculous because really it's obvious. I mean, it's not it is like arguing if the sky is red or if nails are glue. It's like, we don't need to be having this conversation. I don't need to be debating whether or not Christians are under attack by Israel. I don't need to be debating whether I have brown hair or in wearing shoes. You know, it's like some things we just don't need to discuss. And the only really conclusion that you can come to from a discussion about these things is this person is a liar who can't be trusted is not coming from a place of goodwill or trying to seek the truth is not genuine in anything that they say. So why would we talk to them? Why would we listen to them? Why are they constantly imposing their crap upon us and we have to spend our precious life debating about whether the sky is blue or Israel is attacking Christians?

21:50No, they are so that we can just leave it at that. And if you're telling me they're not, you're lying and you're covering for them. So there it is. It's pretty simple. So I think we'll move on here. But obviously, I totally agree. I thought Alex did a great job and I, you know, it's truly nice actually watching. So I'm like, I'm not going to debate. God forbid, but I like watching Alex debate because you hear Adam King go on and on and you're just like, oh my God, the number of lies this guy saying how is Alex even going to confront the number of crap you know, the number lies are spewing right now. And Alex just comes back on as like, yeah, look, I'm just telling you like this isn't going well for y'all and this isn't going to work anymore. It's like thank you. Yes, that is the exact right thing to say. I'm not going to debate the point you made. I'm just going to let you know like we're not buying it and you can stop. You can stop at any point. You don't need to do this. There's a better way. It's like that's that needs to be the reaction. It's just looking in the eye and going, do you think this is working? Do you think you're being

22:52believed right now? It's not working. Clip number one here is from CNN because it's not just the right wing. Everybody's sick of this. Everybody is pissed at Israel. Everybody gets that Israel destroyed Donald Trump's second administration. They understand Israel got us into the war in Iran. They understand that there's not a coincidence that flock cameras and data centers are also being pushed exclusively by the big Zionist in this country because they want to treat America like they've been treating Palestine for the last 80 years. In fact, that's the video we should play. Maybe I'll find in the break of the crew can find it. Find the video I made in 2023 shortly after the attack of October 7th where I explained that Gaza is a 15-minute city. It is the prototype for what they want to do everywhere. It is you're not allowed to leave your zone without permission. There are going to be automated AI machine guns mounted above the gates. So you can be taken out before you're ever entered, surveilled constantly. It's a 15-minute city.

23:56And you understand the very same, the literally same people that are doing it to the Palestinians are planting the exact same type of infrastructure here. Should we ask Adam King what that's for? Do you think Adam King would honestly tell us? Are you kidding me? And this is something that I feel this way about a lot of people on the right wing. And I feel the opposite about a lot of Jews. So we don't need to take it that way either. I can think of a lot of people. And even if they're Jewish, even if they have a inherent or sort of traditional support of Israel, you point out what they're doing wrong and they go, oh really? That's happening? Holy crap. I don't like that at all. And you can just see the genuine reaction from people. Person that jumps in mind is Viva Fry. Viva gets a lot of crap all over the place because he's standing up against the Candace stuff and he sort of made himself a target in some way. But like I haven't spent a couple days just hanging out with Viva Fry during

24:59the debates. He is a genuine dude. Say what you want about him. He's a genuine dude. And when I talked to him about Israel or I talked to him about Jews or whatever, I mean, it's just, it's like talking to a real human being that's actually interacting with. And maybe he says, well, you know, I think that's kind of unfair. I think, you know, this is the reason they're doing that. And if he's coming to me with honesty, with openness, with genuine understanding, then I'm happy to, you know, hey, maybe you're right. You know, that is a reason they might do that. I'm still not for it. But at least we can have the conversation. You can have a conversation with people that are open-minded and that are genuinely seeking the truth. Adam King is not one of them. Ben Shapiro is not one of them. Mark Levin is not one of them. Okay. Will Chamberlain is not one of them. So we just need to be, we need, I think we need to be a little bit circumspect about, you know, who we're talking to about this stuff. Let's go to clip number. And that's not Chris's, Merney thing. I completely understand why Alex would have Adam King on. And I,

26:04I think it's probably a good idea at the end of the day for him. But I just personally, I'm not interested in playing that game with them personally. I'm just not going to subject myself to it. Thank you, but no, thank you. Let's go to clip number one here. CNN discussing Israel and our happy marriage to that far away horrible little country. Let's watch. Our number one ally is real. Not only gets our ability to get our number one. Number one ally. Everyone ally. Everyone ally. If you want to talk about both, start value is real. It's about suckering the United States into war as we speak. There's one of his campaign platforms that he's pushing right now. It's on his social. Yeah. It's on Israeli TV. Even answer. Are you implying that the United States was dragged into war by Israel? That's what he said. He said. He said. He said. He said. He said. He said. He said on television. It took a long time to get the US to come to its senses. But it finally got it. But I finally got it to attack it under my

27:05influence over its leaders through a thousand hours on American television. That came right out of the leader of Israel's mouth. Yeah, but you know, whatever who cares. But actually, Trump made his own decision. American is a sovereign, American is a sovereign country. And we chose on our own volition to go to war. They're on had nothing to do with Israel. Okay. I mean, except for the fact that we're completely occupied entirely by Israeli sick of offense, that did have something to do with it. But they did claim to be American. Yeah, I'm just going to tell the truth for now. And I don't need to worry myself a lot anymore. I think. You know, I spent the first segment talking about Adam King and sort of the the way I refused to sort of discuss things with the people like that. And there's, you know, I don't just say it because of the debate today because of Adam King. I mean, think about the number of things just this week that have been admitted to. I mean, they called you an anti-Semitic

28:10conspiracy theorist for saying that Thomas Massey was ousted by it. And you didn't have to say the Jews. You could say Israeli interests. It doesn't matter. If you said the Jews, you'd be right. According to them, the Iran war, obviously, even just the video that we saw CNN where there's like Israel didn't get us into the war. How dare you say it? And they're just like, do we need the quotes from Trump and BB and Rubio and Hegseth? All the people that got us into the war? Do we need to hear from them? Because they say it. So just like, can we stop doing this? This is why me when I keep saying like it's making everybody insane is because you have these people just making absurd statements that they know are not true. And everybody else is sitting here like trying to figure out how to reason with them. It's like, no, you're going to go crazy trying to reason with people that are just lying to you and like running circles around you, just getting you to chase their tail because you're trying to like actually treat their statements as

29:11as legitimate. You know, the other thing I think that was the time I got robbed during a house party and I caught the guy in the act. And he's just like, you know, refuses to admit, it's not I was looking for Jeff, man. No, Greg. I was looking for Greg, man. I'm like, there's no name Greg here. And it's just like, what am I going to debate him? I caught him on his hands and knees rummaging through my stuff and my closet. Like at a certain point, we don't need to talk about, I don't need to hear his excuses. I don't need to listen to him anymore. And if I'm going to sit here going, gosh, did he really lose a penny in my closet and is looking for it? Was he really looking for his friend Jeff and thought maybe he was on the bottom shelf of my closet? Like, what are we doing? No, no, no, he's just lying to get away with it. Like, we don't need to listen to them. It's really, it's really kind of frustrating. And that's seeing that clip. It's kind of perfect example of that stuff. The West Bank attacks. Adam Kings like, they aren't really, you know, they'll use attacking Christians in the West Bank. Like, of course, they are. What are you talking about? You're just in favor of it. Can we have that discussion? Can we talk about why you're

30:16in favor of it? Of course not. We're not going to have that conversation. Never. Let's go to this video because this is sort of parallels what we just showed on CNN. Only this is on the GOP side is the video I just put in there guys. I don't think it has a number. Posted by Michael Tracy, it's the GOP primary candidates for Wyoming's at large congressional district. They were given a prompt to comment on Israel. And the prompt was literally the word Israel. And I guess this was sort of one of those what's the first word that comes to mind sort of things because the prompt they're like, the prompt is Israel GO. And everybody just says one or two words. And it's, I mean, the spectrum we're dealing with here is totally fascinating and I think very revealing. So let's go now. This is the Wyoming primary candidates for the at large congressional district asked to comment on the word, quote, Israel. Let's watch. Next prompt is from Claire McFarland. Israel. Mr. Freese, your first respond. Our ally in the Middle East,

31:24all of us can go visit the holy sites where Jesus walked because Israel is in control. Ms. Bayloh. Historical and strategic ally. Mr. Dodson, Israel is not Judaism. Mr. Christensen. Israel is an important ally. It is an important asset for us in the Middle East and we have to always cultivate that relationship with them. Mr. Jirol. Where are priorities aligned? We should work with Israel as a force multiplier and where they diverge. We should be okay going about our own separate ways. Mr. Gray. Israel is a strategic ally but all of our policy in regards to Israel must be driven by an America first goal. It must be driven by America first policy goals. Mr. Bible. Mossad, Jeffrey Epstein, goddess in the Iran war. Used to be a strong ally but now I'm

32:25starting to question that. Mr. Raysner. Israel is our greatest ally in the region and I always say it's Wyoming first. America always in Israel forever. Thank you. We'll continue. So that's quite the spectrum there. We go from, as Michael Tracy notes, quote, Wyoming first, America always Israel forever all the way down to Mossad and Jeffrey Epstein goddess into this war. This is called diversity. See, I love diversity. I love having a wide range of opinions represented by our politicians. You'll notice there's not a lot of middle ground going on. There's not a lot of middle ground because they don't make that possible. The Israelis who are doing this, the Jewish organizations like the Republican Jewish coalition who bragged endlessly about ousting Thomas Massey despite calling you an anti-Semite for saying that same thing a month ago. They're the ones saying it. Let's go to clip 22 here. When Thomas Massey

33:32said the Israeli lobby took him out, it was condemned as anti-Semitic. Oh, when Thomas Massey said the Israeli lobby took him out, it was condemned as anti-Semitic yesterday. Republican Jewish coalition chairman Norm Coleman bragged. We played the lead role in taking out Congressman Thomas Massey confirming yet again that reality is, quote, anti-Semitic. Let's go to clip 22 here. The RJC does not look the other way when the poison shows up in our own house. We take it on. We played the lead role in taking out Congressman Thomas Massey in his primary because the Republican who treats Israel as a problem and votes with the far left against the Jewish states does not get a pass from us. We named it, we funded the fight, and Kentucky Republican sent him home. From Austria Journal published May 21st of this year after losing a primary election Tuesday night, Representative Thomas Massey peddled the oldest anti-Semitic trope in the

34:33book that conniving Jews hold secret power. Caniving, huh? It's a good word. That's a very apt word actually. I think that's what's going on here. I think they're conniving. I think they're all conniving together. Maybe this is the delineation that we need. People try to find to get, well, they're not Jews, they're Zionists. Well, you can't say it's not the Republican Zionist coalition, it's the Republican Jewish coalition. Thomas Massey lost, so now he can open more, more open about his disgusting views. That's the guy that just gave that speech, I guess. Kentucky fried clown. Again, the option is not available to be lukewarm on Israel. The options being presented to us are the abject, just slick, spittle subjects of Israel, or expel all of their influence, completely make it illegal, do what must be done to extract this

35:37poison from our veins. Those seem to be the only options, and that seems to be the categories that the candidates we just listened to fall into. Either Israel number one, Israel forever, greatest ally, we can't live without them. They make our heart sing and we see rainbow colors when we think of them, or they got us into the war in Iran. They're tearing down the Republican Party. They're tearing down America really, and we have to free ourselves from the shackles tied around this millstone that is dragging us to hell. Those are your options. According, and in a system set up by the powerful Jewish forces that decided that even Thomas Massey, in his extremely moderate opposition to foreign aid, including to Israel, was enough to make him a target for absolute eradication, destruction. Glad we all get that. We don't have to debate anything about this. This is just what's happening.

36:46We'll move on now. We got a lot of other, we got a lot of other, we just talked about, but it's all intertwined related. In many ways, a lot of the same problems, same, maybe different topics, but same methods being used. We can go to another one, because I don't want to give other people a pass. I'm not singling out the Jews for any reason. You got Ionapressely over there too, trying to gaslight everybody in the most outrageous way. Clip number 11 from the blaze. Democrat representative Ionapressely talks about the great replacement theory. Let's talk about the great replacement theory. Shall we? Let's go to Clip 11 now. Today you and the public watching at home because it's foundational to what's happening here. The great replacement theory is a conspiracy that falsely claims that white people are being deliberately replaced by immigrants and people of color. It is a far right white supremacist ideology that far too many Republicans believe is real.

37:48Do they believe it's real because they've been to Costco recently? Do they perhaps believe it's real because of the statistic reality bearing that out? Why do they think it's real if it's so fake and ridiculous? You know, this is what I'm talking about. We don't have to convince them. They're not able to be convinced. We do not need to be going around in circles with Ionapressely or Adam King or anybody else who wants us to debate whether or not we should be subject to in one case, foreign takeover of our entire government. In another case, the foreign takeover of our very people and our own genocide being carried out right in front of everybody. We don't need to debate that fact. Okay. It's take like that famous scene from Black Lives Matter of fiery but peaceful protest. The guy standing in front of the burning auto zone saying actually

38:49everything's peaceful here. That's basically our world now. That's basically where we're at across the board. So I don't, you know, I guess it's up to, I guess whether or not we can actually just see things for ourselves, establish patterns in our own minds or do we need to convince Ionapressely to admit that white people are being targeted for eradication, that the great replacement, it's not just real. It's a UN project that they are proud of. That's born out statistic. Like do we need to convince her before we do something about it? Why? Why? Doesn't make any sense. They're just lying. So just ignore them and just do what's necessary to reclaim our country from them. So what are we doing? Why aren't we doing that? Let's talk. Oh my god. Let's talk about it. It's like it's just every, it's all like this. It literally everything is like this because like right now we have

39:53all this turmoil in the Pentagon. Now there's been turmoil in the Pentagon for the entirety of Trump's second administration, right? Why has that been the case? That's been the case because apparently the point of Trump's second administration was to get America into war with Iran. However Donald Trump got elected on an anti-war platform and he brought a bunch of people with him that believed in that sentiment. And so now they've had to sort of systematically eradicate all of those people, systematically purge all of the actual genuinely anti-war or at the very least anti-stupid retarded suicidal war. Purge all of them systematically. And it's been going on for a long time and you know signal gate helped. That was one of the things where you had micwaltz Israeli trader infiltrator send the signal messages from Pete Hegsf and JD Vance about the bombing in Yemen to his fellow Zionist at the head of the Atlantic that became a big scandal and

40:54people were purged for that. Not micwaltz, the guy who did it. He got promoted to UN ambassador. In addition to being caught talking to Netanyahu behind the scenes in secret before the negotiations with Trump, something again I think we can all consider treason if we're being honest. So let's be clear. Okay, this is sort of the frustration with all of this. As I can sit here and I can read article after article after article puzzling out what exactly is happening in the Pentagon. Because if you don't say the obvious thing, you've got to come up with all this other crap. Again, a consistency, a consistent theme throughout all of our shows, right? If you talk about anti-Semitism, you don't have to do a psychological profile on the person. You don't have to investigate their deeper meaning and try to identify what is driving this person. When the person is like, I don't like that Israel bombs children, that's fine. That's

41:56a sufficient reason. You don't need to go looking for any other reason. So when you're looking at the Pentagon's shakeup, the obvious immediate at the elephant in the room is patriotic American soldiers don't want to go to war for a foreign state. So they're being removed. Okay, all the other crap, all the other noise, all the other internal dissension and the drama behind it's not real. It doesn't matter. It doesn't have an effect on anything. It's like when I was going on about how you could describe the Iraq War without ever mentioning 9-11. There's a glaring omission from most of the reporting about the Pentagon, which is that it's all because Israel is systematically taking over the United States government. They really already have taken over the Congress and the Senate. Clearly, the executive has been sold to them for a certain price. Now they're going for the

42:56military and the intelligence arms. You've got Section 219 and you've got Section 622, combining our military forces and our intelligence agencies into one form and anybody in the Pentagon that was against the war in the Middle East, that was against the Iran War, that was providing alternative intelligence that shows they weren't in danger of getting a nuclear weapon or anything else. They've been purged. They've been systematically removed from any position of power so that the Zionist program can continue unabated. It's not that complicated. It's not that dramatic. There's nothing to look into to figure out what the hell is going on here. It's pretty simple. Actually, it's a takeover. Now the irony is, Dan Driscoll, supposedly the story is that Dan Driscoll brought up his concerns about the Iran War and the way they were going to Donald Trump. Donald Trump basically didn't even acknowledge what was set. I'll find the quote here

43:57in just a second. So Dan Driscoll has been removed. He's the latest dozens of career military men have been removed from their positions throughout this entire time. Again, always pretty much for the same reason. And the person that they're going to put in charge, or talking about putting in charge, first of all, they say former IDF volunteer Brian Mast has been shortlisted to lead the US Army. So Brian Mast, an IDF soldier, volunteer IDF soldier who wears his IDF uniform in Congress, is on the short list to lead the United States military. Now I want to say again, maybe I should find the book. There's a book about the beginning of Hezbollah called Warriors of God. It's very interesting and everybody should read it. But throughout it, just like reading Ryzen Kill First, the book about the Masad assassinations, you almost have

45:00to marvel at the ability of Israel to do things like take over militaries of other countries. There was a time period in Lebanon where the Lebanese army itself had entire brigade, I'm not sure what it was, but you know, like a big portion of their army was in the command of an IDF soldier. Now they wore Lebanese uniforms. The Lebanese people paid for the army. They're ostensibly theoretically taking orders from the Lebanese government. But the whole time, the leader of this brigade is actually an IDF operative secret agent who's taking orders directly from Tel Aviv. And you just go, this is incredible. They didn't even have to provide their own army. They got the Lebanese army to provide them with the brigade. Under the Lebanese flag, they're just taking orders straight from Tel Aviv. I mean, it's crazy how they do this. So if they're doing it here. So it's just like, okay, let's get the Israeli guy to be in charge of the American military.

46:02Why would we allow that? It is complete madness. So obviously, you know, Brian Mast got to be the congressional delegation that went down to Venezuela along with Randy Fine. So, you know, do you think that's because they were the most qualified? Do you think that's because they are respected statesmen in America? No, Randy Fine is a freshman. It's the first time in American Congress. He's got no sway, no, you know, gravitas when it comes to actually being a congressman. Was there nobody in the American Congress? He's even Hispanic, let alone connections to Venezuela. Somebody with a Venezuelan ancestry or something. Maybe they could go down. As a representative of America is no, of course, it has to be the two most scientists members of Congress. They get to go down to Venezuela. See, I don't think they're pretending anymore. I think this is sort of the coming out party of the Zionist Jewish superstate. And basically around the entire world, everybody representing America in any position of supreme power isn't Israeli puppet. From John Ratcliffe,

47:07to Marco Rubio, to Kushner, to Steve Whitkopf, Brian Mast, and Randy Fine is a delegation to Venezuela. They're all a part of the click. It's not that sophisticated or complicated, it's just a takeover. Okay? I'm against that. Me, I'm against our country being run by a bunch of ethno supremacists, psychopaths. So, you know, that's where I stand on all this. Now, the other person rumored reportedly to be taking over in one of these positions. It's a man named Hung Kau. Now, look. All I'm saying, I don't know if China has a bunch of John Smiths running their military. Hung Kau might be a, I mean, can you just, I mean, can you angle size it a little bit?

48:10Hung Kau really? I'm not trying to be mean here, but do you know what that sounds like in English? Can we call you Hugh? Can we call you Hugh? How about Hugh Cartwright? How about the Anglicized to Hugh Cartwright? So, I don't have to giggle every time I say. Hung Kau has been serving in an active capacity since John Falen left the post in April. I don't know. It's just like, we have some white guys. Can we get some white guys back in the office, please? Paging white men. Can we please take over our military again? Again, no offense, Tom Kau. I'm sure he's a great guy, but like, come on. Just what do you think China is thinking when they see this? What would you think if China was like our new secretary of the Navy, a Jennifer McDonald? You'd be like, what the hell are you talking about? Call me an American.

49:10I just, I have the feeling that there are just like, you know, dudes that, they're fit, you know, I know people who are still in the society of the Cincinnati. Do you know what that is? That's descendants of George Washington's officer corps. They're still around. These guys are still around. They trace their lineage directly back in the male bloodline to one of General George Washington's top commanders. And they're still here and they're still in the army. Can we just give it to those guys? I'm just, I'm kind of over the merit thing. I just don't want merit anymore. I don't want to hear about it. I just want, I just want people who have generations of loyalty to this country and know where else. Because I know how absurd it is when people accuse me of dual loyalty, when people accuse me or Alex Jones of wanting America to fail. When these people are dual loyalty, dual citizenship foreigners.

50:19So how about we just have people who don't have anywhere else to go, who don't have an escape route, who don't see America as a temporary, you know, markets to exploit. How about we just get people whose families have been in here for, been in this country for seven or more generations, and just they get all the top spots. Can we do that? Can we start with that and just see where it goes from there? I think this whole, we're going to go by merit. Oh, whoops, a daisy. Every bank is in the hand of Jews, every big tech companies in the hand of Indians, and apparently our militaries in the hands of an Asian guy. It's just like, this isn't merit. That's not what's happening here. This is deliberate exclusion of white guys. And I'm kind of just sick of the whole damn thing, personally. We're back on the other side with a very special interview about the Oklahoma City bombing and the false flag that represents. I'm very excited for this because I got a special

51:20sneak preview of the documentary that Tucker Carlson Network is coming out with and it is a fantastic production. I'm really blown away by it. I can't wait for you to see it as well. And I can't wait to speak to Margaret Roberts about it. I do want to remind you to go to theAlexjohnstore.com. The summer mega sale is ending tonight. You're running out of time to get your absolutely free bottle of shillajit gummies. No matter what you order at theAlexjohnstore.com, you're getting an absolutely free bottle of shillajit gummi only until midnight tonight. Don't wait theAlexjohnstore.com theAlexjohnstore.com slash Harrison to let him know who sent you. We'll be back on the other side with Margaret Roberts. Don't go anywhere folks. Tonight the debate continues. And we ain't going to sit there all democratic socialists. Run their revolution. You fell for a Democrat? No. But this time we've included some of the biggest voices in the movement. How did it want to unify coalition with a stated goal of making America great again come to a place where some of the most powerful voices in the movement are now leaving. Don't have a good way of establishing regime change. Your

52:24entire position requires ontilepathy. That's ridiculous. Who has caused the mega divide? And you've got people on the right saying we're no longer supporting the guy that got us here. There were never really there to begin with. It should have been for America first. Raise your hand with ever been paid to post content that would benefit a foreign nation. Trump has said his entire political career no nuclear weapon for a run. This war is going to devastate our economy and Israel's city back laughing about it. What the hell are you talking about? And if Will is going to say that well this isn't as bad as if he had non-yet that's not the way we should be analyzing a conflict the United States isn't. And the intelligence community we assess two things intent and capability. This is the exact mistake Israel made in the run up to October 7. Our flawed cameras are serious threat to American citizens right to privacy. It was a non-issue until they started using it to round up the legals. You especially Will don't have to be concerned. Why? Because you're a rage and Zionist. I have to be concerned. People are pissed because Trump went what the hell do you

53:27want to do about it? I want him to stop what he's doing. He's been the best president we've had on immigration in a century. He's the only president ever meaningfully combat anti-white discrimination. Those are huge monumental wins that on their own would have been the defining moments of other presidents tenure. It's either he responds to ego or he was wrong. Should we vote Republican? If there's a candidate that I don't think is honoring the vision that I want for the country know. Why is the Trump calling to apologize to him? These were his supporters until they weren't. Guys, been Alex, you called for him to be 25. You did it twice. The overall goal is to figure out exactly what we're going to do after President Trump. This idea that you're going to create something that is more authentically America first than what Trump has been able to deliver is just false. Do you have to spend political capital? Which is all the more reason why it shouldn't have been spent on Iran? We were with a bombastic president who's like a used car salesman sometimes.

54:33Well sorry. Hold on. How many times have you predicted World War Three now? We're in World War Three. It is not World War Three. We're not the ones that have been doing World War Three alarmism forever. That's actually been done about Iran and a neutral or weapon for decades. You sound like a leftist. There is an America after Trump. Well, I want to say this is the most hard coordinate ever. Open airs before we all die in nuclear war. Walk away. The great to Magda divide. Maga versus America first. That will be premiering tonight on Walk Away, their YouTube channel at Real Walk Away on Rumble as well at Real Walkaway. Tonight 7pm Eastern time. So just as soon as this program ends, you can hop on over to the Walk Away channel on Rumble and YouTube. That's what I'll be doing. I'm very excited to watch this debate. I didn't get to see it. We didn't get to stay and watch. I was there. But we left before they

55:34started arguing and all I've heard is rumors. And I apparently was an explosive contest that I'm very excited to see. And I encourage our audience of course to support Brandon Strach and his Walk Away movement. Another guy that, and look, you can trust me or not, I think I've been in this in this sphere for long enough that I would hope that my instincts are finally honed by this point. I'll tell you, some people he hang out with, he just goes, this guy's the real deal. He's just honest trustworthy. He's just upfront about things. And those are the people that I want to be associated with. Brandon Strach is one of them. So I really do encourage you to go watch the walk away debate tonight as soon as this shows over. But stay tuned. We'll be back in just 90 seconds. The great interview with Margaret Robertson Scooter Downey. Don't go anywhere folks. Starting tomorrow folks, you will be able to watch a new documentary by the Tucker Carlson network at Tucker Carlson dot com. It is an an ex pardon the pun. It is an explosive expose about

56:36the Oklahoma City bombing. I had been I got early access to the first episode. And it is a masterpiece. It really blew me away with the level of production that they're doing. And of course we always want to encourage people on the right wing to really step up their production level. And boy, the Tucker Carlson network is showing you all the way. So I'm very happy to be talking to some of the people involved. But first let's watch the trailer. Again, this comes out tomorrow Tucker Carlson dot com. It's a new documentary about the O K C bombing the real story, the unauthorized story. Let's watch. I had become very frustrated with Tim because the the story that he was telling me I did not feel was the truth. Why don't you believe me? There are lots of reasons why I don't believe you. The witnesses, all of them are telling a different story. It's two guys, not one guy. I lost my grandchildren in

57:43the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995. I began to have questions as the days rolled along and I began to investigate and I'm still investigating some 30 years later. I never started out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing. But every trailer I followed to my brother's murder went to Oklahoma City. Sergeant Yankee, he was crying and he said, they're not telling the truth about what's going on down there. How would the truth help me? We spoke with survivors, investigators, law enforcement officers, even Timothy McVeigh's own defense attorney. We reexamine the evidence and revisit one of the most consequential events in this country's history. Watch the O K C bomb files that stream exclusively on TuckerCrossin.com.

58:44The O K C bomb files, that's the official trailer. The documentary comes out tomorrow and I'm joined now by two people involved in the production Margaret Roberts is a prize winning investigative journalist and television producer. She graduated from Northwestern University and earned a master's degree with honors in English literature at the University of Chicago. In Washington, DC, Roberts was a top editor at the National Journal and Congressional Quarterly before moving into television as news director of America's most wanted. In 2010, Roberts edited the prison memoir Deadly Secrets, which is Timothy McVeigh's account of the Oklahoma City bomb plot as told to fellow death row inmate David Hammer, an exclusive source for Blowback. Her book is called Blowback, the untold story of the FBI and the Oklahoma City bombing. You can get that on Amazon or wherever books are sold. Again, Blowback, the untold story of the FBI and the Oklahoma City bombing. You can also follow them on X at BlowbackBook and BlowbackBook.com. And that book serves as the basis for the new investigative documentary from the Tucker Carlson Network, which Scooter Downey helped to head. He's a filmmaker,

59:48editor, writer and a producer based in Nashville. You can follow him on X at Scooter underscore Downey. And again, the website to watch the documentary or just the trailer. You just saw Tucker Carlson.com. With that, that long intro, welcome both of you to the show. Great to be with you, Harrison. Well, I'm very happy to have both y'all here. Let me start with Margaret. What got you involved in the Oklahoma City bombing? Did you, were you interested in it before you edited Timothy McVeigh's account or was that the first time that you really started looking into this? Harrison, it was really America's most wanted, which if we we have to sort of go back through the midst of time here to the early 1990s. But I helped launch that show, which was a crime solving juggernaut, revolutionary television at the time. And as the news director, I worked

1:00:49hand in hand with the FBI on the biggest man hunts in America. So just cutting to your question, how did I get interested? I moved on to LA and a few years later, the bomb, the horrific bomb in Oklahoma City, but still stands as America's deadliest domestic terror attack exploded in the middle of the week in the middle of the country. And it was from the jump, a manhunt that has been largely forgotten until scooters brilliant documentary. But that's what piqued my interest. Sorry, a little little little audio mix up there, but okay, so that's fascinating. Yeah, I mean, I was around, I was around in the 90s and yeah, America's most wanted was it was a juggernaut. I mean, it was really a cultural phenomenon and it had because it would have these reenactments

1:01:49of the crime. So it got attention to them, but then that attention would turn into spotting of the suspects and then you would actually solve cases that way. And yeah, so the first episode that I got a little sneak preview on, totally mind blowing stuff, really well done, very emotional, it's a very emotional documentary and and scooter. As you're approaching this topic, obviously, we get accused because we're sort of truth. There's on most things. We don't think we're getting the official story, whether it's the Oklahoma City bombing, 9-11, anything in between, where we want to look at it with a skeptical eye. And people want to act like that is disrespectful to the victims of these bombings, but nobody's saying this was fake. Nobody's saying nobody died. I mean, how do you approach that and how do you manage sort of the balance between wanting to respect and honor the victims that died from this, but also asking very sort of pointed questions about what brought all of this about. Was that difficult for you to tightrope for you to walk? Absolutely. I certainly wanted to

1:02:50honor and respect the victims and the victims' families and I can completely understand if your position is, hey, we got the guys responsible and I would like to move on and feel a sense that justice has been done. However, one of the victims' family members that is featured in the trailer and in the documentary in the first episode, Kathy Sanders, she's been asking questions for 30 years. And I think as far as conspiracy theories go, it's important to remember that the government charged Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols with conspiracy. It was a conspiracy charge to commit mass murder. And in addition to that, the question is really just how far did the conspiracy extend? And I think this is a case that's very documented that there were others involved. In fact, in the indictment of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, it says together conspired together with quote others unknown to the grand jury.

1:03:53And so this series is looking into who those people might be in the first season of the show, this first three episodes. And we're really looking at John Doe 2 and other John Does that were cited. That's right. The John Doe 2, and like most cases of big events like this, you go to the official story and it seems airtight. I mean, they'll tell you they know everything they know how I got from A to B and you really have to like start looking for little cracks and noticing things. And eventually start pulling on some strings and the whole thing collapses. But I guess I want to ask both y'all and we can start with Margaret. What was the first thing that what was the cheek in the armor? What was the crack that made you go? I don't think we're seeing everything that we're being told. Was there one instance or one event or one John Doe 2? Was that the one that is that the thing that made you start asking questions? What was the first thing that made you ask questions about this event? Absolutely. So let's for for those who may not know John Doe 2,

1:04:54this was the suspect in the bomb truck with Timothy McVeigh when he delivered that devastating bomb that blew up these nine story federal building in Oklahoma City. So 24 eyewitnesses on the ground in Oklahoma City saw John Doe 2 with Timothy McVeigh on the bombing run and surveillance video cameras captured the two of them captured them getting out of the bomb truck before that devastating blast. So as I was saying that this was a manhunt of a very high profile manhunt from the jump. And after Timothy McVeigh was taken into custody two days after the bombing there was a $2 million reward for the capture of John Doe 2 who quickly disappeared into the myths of DB Cooper and other

1:06:04other phantoms of American crime. But that was for me because I had been running coverage of the biggest manhunts in the country alongside the FBI. I watched this and kind of made my headspin. Who is John Doe 2 and where is he? Right. And you have the different two different police sketches that both looked a lot like each other. I mean, there was a John Doe 2. They said it first and foremost. This is in some y'all came up with later on kind of a glaring issue with the official story. This disappearing man Scooter was out the same for you. Was it this disappearing second man or what made you want to sink your teeth into this case in particular? I was contacted by a man named Jesse Trinado who his brother was found dead in his jail cell in Oklahoma. And Jesse has been trying to

1:07:05solve his brother's murder for over 30 years. And in the process, realized that there might be a link between the Oklahoma City bombing and his brother's death. And so Jesse told me his story. And I initially, you know, you get it out at the time I was working at Fox with Tucker. And you get a lot of cranks calling you. So I initially thought this guy is crazy. But found out he was not. And he in fact is a lawyer. And so he's been able to fight this battle to uncover some of those surveillance videotapes. For example, he's been involved in a lawsuit to get those made available to the public. And so that was kind of my first entry point in. And then I read a book called Aboration in the Harlan of the Real by Dr. Winnie Painting that goes into the subject. And then Margaret's book as well later on. And yeah, certainly in John Doe too, I think is one of the most conspicuous examples of others unknown. And we go into detail on why the FBI said that they would stop looking for this individual, which they said was

1:08:10a case of mistaken identity. But they were he was seen by over 24 eyewitnesses on the day of the bombing and more than that in the days and weeks leading up to him. And they had similar descriptions of this man. He had a tattoo on his arm. He had a thick neck, which is a very particular thing to say about somebody. And also that he was dark, complex. Perhaps he was not, sometimes he's described as a white man. Sometimes they describe him as American Indian or Pacific, you know, Hawaiian or possibly Middle Eastern or Hispanic. The ethnicity is ambiguous. And so with the amount of eyewitness accounts, it's very clear this individual did exist and where he is now is a total mystery. And I remember from the first episode, he sort of consistently referred to as having a bodybuilding type physique. So it's not like this would be easy to confuse somebody like Timothy McVey who was sort of rail thin. And you don't have multiple people saying the same thing about a

1:09:10person, you know, that he was a bodybuilder, really muscular guy. Very, very suspicious. And he just sort of disappears. I know spoilers. Do we find out who that guy is? I mean, do we ever get an idea? It feels like that is sort of the missing puzzle piece here. If we just had that guy's identification, everything else maybe falls into place. Is this guy just a ghost? Maybe no spoilers. But, I mean, can I give you a, do you have any idea who he is? Do you maybe give me your best guess? Margaret, do you know? Well, let's hitting ahead now. And this is presented very masterfully by Scooter as a mystery. So it will that would be that would be later a later chapter. All right, don't give anything away from my don't get, don't give anything away. I just, I walked to the first episode. No, I'm like, I want more. I want to know what comes next. Started erupt. But here's a clue, Harrison. Here's a key clue. And it involves Jesse Trinado, who Scooter was just introducing the brother of this murdered prisoner that eventually the

1:10:17lynch pan of this investigation that I've been involved in side by side with Jesse for 20 years is the surveillance videotape I was mentioning before because the FBI collected video of John Doe too. And never, never showed it to the jury, never showed it to the grand jury, to the trial jury, and never showed it to the American public. And now has fought tooth and nail for almost a decade and a half against Jesse Trinadoo in a landmark FOIA lawsuit to force the disclosure of that videotape, which could either identify John Doe too or lead to his identification. And eventually through twists and turns, I will go this far because I think after 20 years maybe I'm allowed to have this theory. And it is the theory that Jesse Trinadoo espouses as well. It is certainly possible given

1:11:25the pushback from the FBI on that videotape that the second man in the bomb truck was somehow associated with the FBI, some kind of an operative, some kind of an asset. And that is why perhaps his identity has been hidden all these years. And it is amazing how they can keep these things under wraps, even with all the FOIA laws that have been passed and everything else. I mean, we're we're 30 years on of this attack and we still don't have all the answers, which I guess sort of leads my next question. Scooter, do you think something like the OKC bombing would have happened differently if it happened today? I mean, obviously with social media and things spreading around. I mean, how important was sort of the media landscape at the time in order to contain this story? Like if there was a John Doe too in the Charlie Kirk assassination, we would have never stopped hearing about it, right? It's a different world today than it was in the 1990s, where if the mainstream media wasn't talking about

1:12:25it, it kind of didn't exist. Did you think about that very much and how do you think it would have played out differently if it would have happened today? It would have been more difficult for them to well, for whoever it was to uphold this off? I think so and I think I think a big part of it would just be that I don't think the public would would buy it at all, you know, from the get go. And you know, I don't think I think at the time, Margaret, you can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think there was polls that were done at the time that people did believe that there were more, that there were others involved mainly because of this John Doe too. Certainly with all of the video cameras and cell phones, there would be more evidence that would not be able to be suppressed. Although if you look at the Charlie Kirk shooting, there's plenty of cell phone videos and there's still, you know, theories around his death and so. But it doesn't always lead to clarity, you know, more voices. Correct. Correct. Yes. Having more video doesn't always, yeah, exactly leads to more clarity. But I think I think it would be very difficult for John Doe too,

1:13:28to not be, you know, have several different cell phone cameras on him pretty quickly. Right. Well, what do you think, Margaret? How would have social media have impacted, you know, the fallout of this attack? I 100%. It would like so many of the stories that have been told and retooled, the magic bullet and JFK and onward. This would not have been accepted. But I will mention there were brawls and intimidation, heavy intimidation of witnesses and whistle blowers and journalists who tried to bring this story forward. That's actually part of the record of my book. And it started inside the grand jury before it ever indicted McVeigh Nichols and the others unknown. One of the grand jurors went rogue and accused the federal prosecutors of hiding

1:14:36the identity of John Doe too and asked the judge to investigate and perhaps name a new jury. And the judge kicked him off the jury, which he had violated grand jury rules. But never seemingly investigated that very serious charge of jury tampering. And there were other whistle blowers. We don't have time to go into them. I hope folks will find the details in my book, blowback and will be learning some of this from Scooter's documentary. But one more notable example is when Roger Charles, a member of the ABC News team that had done a very high profile story, which was kind of a setup story in front of the McVeigh trial in 1997, he got onto a federal informant who had been embedded inside the bomb plot in this right wing

1:15:44enclave known as Elohim City. Right. And had warned her federal handlers that an attack was coming and Oklahoma City was on the short list and they ignored her warnings. ABC under heavy pressure from the Justice Department killed that story on the day of its scheduled broadcast. So it's not like nobody tried to get to the truth, but there was a heavy stone wall from the from the Gecko. This was three months before the Timothy McVeigh trial. Her name, the informant, was Carol Howe and the Justice Department turned around and prosecuted her on flimsy terror charges, criminal charges, a jury through them out pretty quickly. And then she went another step to try to tell the story and volunteered to be a witness at Timothy McVeigh's trial to tell about overhearing and

1:16:53spying on this plot inside Elohim City. And the Timothy McVeigh trial judge barred her as a witness and said that what she had to say was, quote, not sufficiently relevant. Wow. Yeah. So it's almost seems like they were just so much more heavy handed back then. I mean, they would just straight up threaten you or send you a jail or people. I mean, a lot of people in this case, close to this case or had questions about this case ended up with some very suspicious deaths. I know y'all get into that in the document or two. Can y'all stay with us for the rest of the hour? Because I'd love to get into some of the details of O.K.C. I know our audience is probably well versed on it. So I'd like to get into some of the nitty gritty with you off if you can stay. Love to. Absolutely. Fantastic. And again, the book is called blowback, blowbackbook.com, blowback book on X is where you can follow Margaret Roberts. And you can of course get the book on Amazon blowback, the untold story of the FBI and the Oklahoma City bombing. And I love that. I mean, you're your record of journalism is obvious to me. You know, I wasn't trained as a journalist. And I just want to jump in. I'm like, okay, so you know, John Doe 2, what is he? And you're like,

1:17:56well, hold on back up. Let's lay. Let's do the who, what, when, where? Who is John Doe 2? And what did he do? So thank you for that, Margaret. I appreciate the the journalistic integrity you're bringing to our program. So people know what the hell we're talking about. But I think our audiences is pretty well aware of what's going on. So we'll get into some of the more, some of the more details. I've got my own theories. I'd love to run by y'all. Again, my guests are Margaret Roberts and Scooter Downey. You can follow Scooter on X at Scooter underscore Downey and the website or the documentary comes out tomorrow on Tucker Carlson dot com. It's the O K C bomb files and unofficial history. And are all three episodes coming out tomorrow or just the first one? Just the first one. And then two weeks later episode two and then two weeks later episode three. Well, I saw the first one a couple days ago. And I'm already eagerly awaiting the second episode. So I encourage everybody to go watch it tomorrow. When it comes out, go share the trailer today. And we'll be back on the other side with more from Margaret Roberts and Scooter Downey. Don't go anywhere folks. You want to ask you quickly to go to thealexjonesstore.com tonight, the super mega summer sale ends.

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1:19:59and you can get it on Amazon. It's called Blowback the untold story of the FBI and the Oklahoma City bombing. Of course, our audience. Hopefully if they've done their research, you know, a lot of people sort of woke up during COVID. You got you got decades to go back folks and look over some of the false flags and the mysterious events that have shaped our world. And the mid 90s it was Elohim City and Waco and Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City bombing. And these things in my opinion were not disconnected. We're not unconnected. We're actually a part of the same sort of overall operation being carried out at the time to demonize the militia movement and gun owners and all this other stuff. Margaret, let me ask you Margaret Roberts, the author of Blowback book.com. Did either of those events come up, Ruby Ridge or Waco as you were investigating this? I believe, if I remember from the documentary, Waco, the bombing of Oklahoma City was on the anniversary of the Waco attack, right? And that was sort of ostensibly one-spired Timothy McVeigh, at least in part,

1:21:01to set off the bombing Oklahoma City. Absolutely. Of the Oklahoma City bombing was two years to the day after that disastrous siege in Texas in Waco ended with another terrible body count and children as well killed there as they were in the Oklahoma City bombing. So the history of anti-government extremism, which was red hot in the early 1990s, plays a key role in the bombing. I might mention that, and this is one of the incredible achievements of Jesse Trinado, Scooter introduced the brother of the murdered prisoner. Jesse Trinado in his first foya lawsuit,

1:22:09where he theorized about what was going on in Elohim City uncovered the role of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which I know Alex Jones has covered and been entangled with for quite a long time. But that sits as really a powder keg that is still not fully disclosed because Jesse's lawsuit forced the redacted documents to be disclosed, detailing what exactly was the role of the Southern Poverty Law Center. But there were definitely informants there inside Elohim City. So that's a particularly relevant threat, I think Harrison, to what might interest you about this, the beginnings of this story. Well, absolutely. There's so many threads to this. I totally

1:23:13blanked on. I totally forgotten that one. But of course, in the SBLC is under fire right now, and paying people to go infiltrate groups is nothing new to them. They've been doing it for 30 years, which is why Alex was able to predict, I think the SBLC is pushing a lot of this racist stuff, because he understood their activities since the mid 90s. That's right. There's so many connections like that that I forget that are still just as pertinent now as they ever were. They've come right to the current moment. And you have to say, and I have said, and to the appropriate authorities, if you have to look at what was the FBI's role in these more current activities of the SBLC based on what Jesse uncovered, that they were working hand and glove together on a surveillance operation of Elohim City in the run up to the Oklahoma City bombing.

1:24:14And they've been hand in glove working with each other before that and ever since. As you were doing research or scooter, maybe this is a question for you, because this documentary, it was obviously a work of passion. As somebody who's an editor myself, I mean, I a lot of times, I'll put on a documentary and then I go do something else or I'm working on folding laundry or whatever. This one I could not take my eyes off of. Honestly, it's like the whole thing is this visual masterpiece and it's so fast paced. And as an editor, I'm sitting there going, this took a lot of work. This was a passion project for you. I'm sure whoever edited it, they went above and beyond and obviously going out and getting the interviews that you got, no small task. This is a really impressive production overall. As you were going out and researching and talking to people, did you find any new information that you hadn't heard before? Because we just, real quickly, we had a caller last week who had seen stuff before Columbine and was like telling us that he found propane tanks outside of Columbine. And he's like, I've never told anybody and you think,

1:25:16you know, 30 years on, you're not going to get any more information, but there's stuff out there. Did you, did you discover anything like totally new going out there that you hadn't heard and hadn't been reported anywhere or just what struck you as something that was surprising as you, as you did the filming for this? Thank you. And yes, it was a labor of love and it's still ongoing. So just your audience knows these first three episodes are what we're calling season one. And so there will be nine episodes in total and season two and three will be released next year. So I'm not done. I'm still pounding the pavement and trying to pursue leads. I mean, it's 30 years later. And so I do feel a sense of like historical priority to try to get some of these eye witnesses, you know, on camera, possibly for the last time. I did discover something and this will be, you know, release in episode two, but I don't think it's been put in any books that I've read. Timothy McVeigh stayed at a motel called the Dreamland in Kansas. And he was there for the five

1:26:22days before the bombing. And there were, there was a siding from two individuals. One was called David King and his girlfriend Connie. David King lived at this motel. He lived in room 24. He saw everybody coming in going. He was very close to the room that Timothy McVeigh was staying in. And at the time, the room next to his room 23, no one was supposed to have been occupied during this time. No one was supposed to be there. But his girlfriend Connie came to see him one night. And she knocked on the door and the door next door. The room 23 opened. And this individual who resembled John Doe to keep the set out and kind of looked very threatening. And they ran inside. And they told the FBI this and the FBI looked into room 23. They discovered that there was no one there. And we found out that the motel kept meticulous phone records of every outgoing call.

1:27:23And to this point, everyone has just said it was a mistaken siding. But I found that there was a phone call that was made from that room when no one was registered there the following evening. And so I'm actually trying to track down who that call was made to and any more information. For when I've been able to find out, it was to an individual who was a mechanic and worked on buying and selling kind of junker cars. And if you know anything about the story, buying and using junker cars fits in with the fits in with the bomb plot. Timothy McVeigh was pulled over and probably the world's worst getaway vehicle. It was a Mercury Mark whose gas gauge didn't even work properly. And he was pulled over without a license plate. And he was speeding. So I don't know what his escape plan was, but if I'm going to be a criminal mastermind, I'm going to make sure that my getaway vehicle has a license plate on it and it's not going to like stop working on me as I'm running away from the cops. Yeah, you would think. And he got caught

1:28:26like that day, right? Or two days later, I mean, it was like during he was leaving in a cop, just pulled him over randomly because he didn't have a license because he was speeding. And so when they ID the guy and start sending out, you know, be on the lookout alerts, they get a call, they go, oh, that guy's sitting in jail right now. We have him. We just picked him up. Margaret, as somebody who, you know, worked on America's most wanted, I mean, how often does that happen? How often does a highly wanted criminal just accidentally get picked up by police, you know, the day or the day after they commit their crime? I mean, that alone, the coincidence, sort of something you got to explain, right? That is just one of the utterly baffo moments of this timeline. And we might add to the craziness of the moment that Timothy McVeigh was well armed. And so here comes this trooper to arrest him. And this is 90 minutes after the bomb goes off,

1:29:32and 168 people are slaughtered. And he's standing there with a gun. And the question becomes, why didn't he shoot the trooper? That's just one of the abiding mysteries of that day. In addition to that, Harrison, yeah, there were several, and I would say, I think there were three different eyewitness sightings of the marquee pulled over with the trooper, and there was a brown pickup truck that was parked in front of the marquee that pulled over to the shoulder of the highway as well. And that was reported in the news. And I've seen those archival news broadcasts that talk about that brown pickup truck. And this is coming from local law enforcement sources, or I should say law enforcement sources, I'm not sure whether it's local or federal. And, you know, we have dash cam video of the car, but it's after McVeigh has been arrested.

1:30:39And so there is a mystery regarding this brown pickup truck because a brown pickup truck was seen fleeing from the scene by other eyewitnesses immediately preceding the bombing. And this is something we're going to get into in season three. I'm still looking into the brown pickup truck mystery, but that every single, this story, the reason why it became a passion project is every single, this story will just get your grips on you. Everything has a mystery. Nothing is as it seems, even as something as simple as where did Timothy McVeigh's license play go? Because you didn't have one when he was pulled over. No one has ever found that license played. And there's several different stories about what happened to it from Terry Nichols' account in McVeigh. So there's so much to cover. That's why I've had to do it in nine episodes. Just to even begin to crack the surface of the story. Yeah. And that's been my experience studying it as well. And even just just showing some of the images that the crew is pulling up,

1:31:42some of the archival stuff or some of the stuff from Alex Jones' old documentaries, looking at some of this stuff, the sheep dipping, right? The fact that they say that Timothy McVeigh left the army, but then he's on video still in the army after that point. Did you get into that much Margaret in your investigation? Do you think he was sheep dipped? And for journalistic integrity to explain to the set the table here, you know, the idea that you would pretend that somebody left the army, pretend they're no longer in an intelligence service when in fact they're still taking orders, but they're doing it in a civilian position, something along those lines. Did you look into that and what did you discover about Timothy McVeigh's military career? That's a thread. And Scooter mentioned Wendy Payne and her brilliant book Averation in the Heartland of the Real, which is a nod to Don Delillo's book Libra, a title. She, her, the subtitle of Wendy's book is The Secret Lives of Timothy McVeigh.

1:32:46And she covers the military connection of Timothy McVeigh better than anybody else. I did not follow, I, the thread that you're referencing specifically about the him being seen as a soldier after he left. That's, that's a rabbit hole that I haven't found to be convincing, but I also didn't go far enough down it to, you know, to make a judgment. So I don't know. But this idea of the sheep dipping has, has some credibility in my opinion. And Timothy McVeigh wrote his sister a letter in which he described being pulled out of special for his special forces try out and into a secret government squad where he was going to be doing covert operations. And again, to touch on Wendy's research,

1:33:57she discovered documentation from his first attorneys before Stephen Jones, who is a key figure in scooters documentary. But the first lawyers who represented McVeigh very briefly reported that he told them that he was working for the government. So those are, you know, that's that was a pivotal moment, his first interview with his attorneys to be. And that was, is a narrative that just vanishes. So I think it deserves some credibility. Yeah. And I mean, that is the struggle with investigating this stuff. You kind of have to know what to, what to focus on and what's, you know, important and what's not. And of course, I think now it's more common, you know, back then, as we were talking about, you know, they would just sort of intimidate people, right? I mean, you got stories. They go, yeah, some dude at, you know, with a badge came up and said, stop following this or will kill you. I mean, it was pretty much like, you know, they were, because you didn't have social media, if you couldn't get on the local news, nobody would know your friends and family maybe, but, you

1:35:01know, what are they going to do? So back then, you know, it's sort of more straightforward. Now it feels as though if they want to cover something up, they have to just create a bunch of theories that aren't real to distract people and sort of have the controlled opposition tactics being taken. I wonder, was there anything that you think is not a good theory? Like, is there anything that you discovered that people are really convinced of this happened and you just go, no, I don't believe that any theories you just totally disregard when it comes to, to the OKC bombing. I don't know, that might be a hard question to answer, but is there anything that you heard from people that you just go, no, that's not the case that that didn't happen? Scooter, when you were doing the research, was there anything that you, you just sort of went, that's a little too far for me. I don't think it was space lasers or whatever it is. Yeah, Timothy Vays, not an alien. I think I'm pretty firmly in that team. No, I have tried to avoid theorizing about almost anything. I have my own suspicions, but as far as the documentary goes, I've really tried to just be evidence-based

1:36:03and let the audience do their own theories. I think at the last episode, I'm going to present what are the potential theories involved. But I would say that the government's theory, I mean, from what I've said, the least territorial theory on, for example, why they didn't pursue John Doe 2 is that the Justice Department was wanting to be constrained. They had their guys, and they wanted to get them convicted. And so they didn't want the investigation to become sprawled. And I think at one point they had on their office, do not confuse the case with clutter. So that's almost the least conspiratorial theory. And then beyond that, I'm remaining neutral at this point and trying to just be open-minded. My interesting thing too is a lot of these stories, for example, about McVeigh being sheep debt. All these stories about McVeigh come from McVeigh himself. He is

1:37:05the origin of all these stories about himself. And one of the things that I found to be very interesting, and we cover this in the first episode and the next two, Timothy McVeigh's story while he was in prison changed according to the government documents that he read. So his story would become closer and closer to whatever the government said the story was. After he would read the FBI 302 interview documents, he would then change his story. So as one example, we get into this in episode two, the purchase of the fertilizer that was used in the bomb, the man who sold the fertilizer to Terry Nichols who was calling himself Mike Havens, he said that there was a passenger in the car while he was loading the fertilizer in the truck, and that the passenger was not Timothy McVeigh. Well, McVeigh had told his attorney, Stephen Jones, first that, oh, Terry Nichols

1:38:06dropped me off at the park. But then when he read this document, he said, oh no, I was there, I was me. And Jones is like, well, the guy says it wasn't you, like no, no, it was me. So I think, I feel pretty firm to say that one of the defense investigators theories was that Timothy McVeigh was the willing fall guy that he did not, he wanted to protect the identities of his co-conspirators. And so he was willing to go down with the team and go down as the martyr. Yeah, no, no easy answers to any of this. I mean, what a tangled web we weave, right? And yeah, it does seem like every little part of this. Go ahead. Harrison, sorry, just to jump in and with a nod to the power of Scooters' work here, presenting this as a mystery. It's not telling, it's a retelling of a story that America thought

1:39:12it knew like the back of its hand. But we didn't know this story because of the way the story has been steered. And so now we're setting sail again to investigate what really happened. And just to connect back to where we started about the question about social media and could this could this happen today? I think we also need to look at the traditional role of journalism. And when I saw Tucker's first announcement where he says, out of the gate, we are reopening the case. This is thrilling to those of us who have been working on this case for 20 years because that's what we've been waiting for. That's what we've, and this can point towards action. Social media still has to find its way, I believe, to connect to having an impact, right?

1:40:21But this documentary, as it's going out and as Tucker says, presenting the evidence, we're not going to tell you what happened, we're going to present the evidence. This is going to be a powerful brief that could wake up the government entities from Congress to the courts, to the Department of Justice to get back on the horse and find out, disclose what really happened in America's deadliest domestic terror attack. Absolutely. And it's almost like we have, there's a constant day loose of stuff we were trying to deal with on a daily basis, because almost there's this backlog of 30 years of things that the government's done or misinterpreted or misportrayed to people. And so it's kind of like, you almost want to start the beginning and go, look at the tactics they use, look at the way they employ it, why are they doing this? I mean, can really inform you about what's going on today. And I remember back in probably 2020, I was

1:41:25doing research about vaccines and vaccine injuries. And I came upon this story that there was a vaccine that they gave, I think it was an anthrax vaccine that they gave to the troops that went over to fight the first Gulf War against Saddam Hussein. And there were a lot of vaccine injuries and there was a giant trial and they were suing over it. And all those files happened to be at the Alfred P. Murrow building and it all disappeared in a puff of smoke. So there's stuff like that that I'm like, you know, what's the truth behind that? We know him much time, but I wish we could get into that stuff. Can you tell me quickly, does that, does that appear at all? Have you all looked into that or is that, you know, come up in the, in the documentary? Well, I'll say I assume the idea that they did an explosion to get rid of documents. I've never, I never put much credence in that. Talk, you know, I will debunk that one in my opinion because it just seems like you could just take the documents out. I don't think you need to kill 160 people. All right, yeah, it's a good point. It's a good point. But you know, there it is the one of the issues with this case is there's

1:42:33tens of thousands of interviews that were done. So many documents, it's the biggest crime scene in American history. And whenever you do that, you're going to be exposing a lot of things that may not even be related to the bombing that still might be nefarious. Right. And so there's, there's kind of what's the, what's the term where it's leading you down, you know, a wrong path. A red herring, yeah. A red herring, yeah. There's a lot of red herrings in this case too. And but Margaret's book and the other books that have been made have done a great job. Absolutely. The book is blowback. The untold story of the FBI and the Oklahoma City bombing by Margaret Robertson get that on Amazon and the documentary comes out tomorrow to Croson.com. A hacker just blew the lid off Peter Teel's invitation only dialogue society co-founded by the PayPal and Palantir billionaire back in 2006 with data broker Aaron Hoffman. This off the record retreat machine has been quietly packing rooms for nearly two decades with the exact people who

1:43:37write the rules, sitting elbow to elbow with the tech and finance titans those rules are supposed to restrain. The 2026 Dublin gathering list names 222 registrants, NATO's top general, sitting Trump administration officials, US senators from both parties, PayPal Mafia heavyweights, intelligence figures, surveillance company founders and Hollywood sick of hands. The agenda offered panels on navigating World War 3 battlefield technologies, bringing back nuclear, build a cult, and even house your sex life complete with matchmaking. This isn't networking, this is the regulated and the regulators breaking bread and who knows what else in the dark. It's a big club and you ain't in it. And I think it's important to keep in mind too that even going beyond Palantir the internet itself was created by the military and I think now we're coming kind of

1:44:39close to the endgame in terms of full circle of them kind of realizing their initial dream for the internet and then you know in the case of Palantir you know I argue in a lot of my research points to various efforts within the DARPA military sphere aimed at the internet being privatized. For example, Lifelog becoming Facebook, total information awareness becoming Palantir. You know these have become reality. They've been messed a lot of these big big tech Silicon Valley companies. Are just masquerading as are we just started our garage and we're regular guys. Like no these are guys that were created by military intelligence and they privatize these programs and we have willingly given them our data and we continue to do so. They're category defining products. So when you deliver these products to the market just honest to the people say this isn't going to exist, this isn't valuable but then it changes the

1:45:41market and then the market is the Palantir market. Now that doesn't mean everyone in the world is going to buy our product but it means most of the sensible people in the world are going to define buy from the category we defined. Palantir supplies the citizen tracking data analytics backbone for intelligence agencies, the Pentagon and law enforcement while dialogue hosts the very officials who green light those contracts. Now we see the practical application an elite sweray that grades members by wealth and fame tracks their relationships with algorithms and promises absolute secrecy so nothing said ever reaches the public. Add in the earlier Epstein file mentions of Teal's interest in secret society concepts and the pattern crystallizes. Yeah transhumanism is this you know the ideal was this radical transformation where your human natural body gets transformed into an immortal body. That is striking on the sort of transhumanist versus Christian

1:46:47thing is how similar they are and so I think you can sort of point to metaphysical differences but but the thing that sort of is always strikes you like you're going to have a transformed body you know there's going to be this radical transformation of the way everything works there'll be no more random freak accidents that happen to kill you and so I think it's actually the similarities that are that are striking and then one shouldn't try to overlay some some metaphysical difference. I met Epstein a few times as well and this 2014 was post-a-rust. You know you assume he didn't go to jail for that long right it was probably not not as serious as alleged the way certainly was the illusion through all these these other people. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen third hour is on you're on War Room Live I'm here at Charleston Smith got a lot more news and videos to cover and show you and I got a I got a video here

1:47:47you know it's sort of a common theme a common genre of video online these days where you just show you know somebody making a statement and then a couple years later they make a different statement you know we want to show people's hypocrisy and we have a record of what people say and it's fun to you know country we showed one earlier today with the Wall Street Journal or Washington Post which everyone it was saying that it was an anti-smitting conspiracy theory that the conniving Jews were responsible for the outsting of Thomas Massey paired with the video of those very conniving gentlemen saying exactly that so I've got another one here from Howard Letnick it's kind of what I'm talking about you know kind of throughout the show talking about like I don't feel like debating with these people because they're just lying they're just lying a lot of time so I'm not interested in debating things like data centers and flock cameras because I don't

1:48:48believe you and I'm not going to try to sit here and you know debate the nuances of well you know how many arrested fought cameras get and is it worth it and how much are we paying and there's there other it's like how about we just put our foot down and we just say no we just say no to all of this crap because you shouldn't have to lie if these things were good you wouldn't have to lie they're not good so you're lying about them so let's go to clip 21 here jolly old Howard Letnick always seems to be laughing about something here he is laughing about you know the absurdity of the idea of the data centers take water what what a crazy idea where'd you get that from probably art foreign enemies if I had to guess it's going to clip 21 now cow I mean data centers don't use what are the data centers this is propaganda by our adversaries to try to slow us down right so think about it these these AI things they they suck water and they

1:49:52need water right and so they need a plumber but not a plumber plumber look it's our adversary spreading his propaganda you know whoever told you data centers need water they are your enemy and that's foreign propaganda really because you said it well there you go well there you go actually totally consistent really if you think about it so I mean how we just take any of this stuff seriously let nicks as data centers don't use water this is propaganda by our adversaries to slow us down let nick last year these AI things suck water they need water they need water all of your water all of your drinking water they think it's so funny that anybody thinks it needs water but we got a problem in America with water we're running out actually it's not going well we go to clip 10 here this is kind of like an existential crisis for us actually this is kind of a very big deal what's happening right now I don't think it's coincidence I don't think

1:50:58it's coincidence that at the exact same time that farmers can't get fertilizer and the regulations from Biden and then from Trump have crushed the ability of our cattle producers to rebuild the herd at the same time that they're doing nitrogen restrictions in places like the Netherlands inspiring farmer protests there as clearly the government is just arbitrarily targeting the farming industry for destruction on the basis of so-called climate change I don't think any of this is a coincidence I think they're destroying our food supply on purpose I think they want to create the scarcity so they can impose rationing so they can justify their digital currency mark of the beast system I think it's all a part of a plan and I think the destruction of our natural waterways are perfectly in line with that plan here's clip 10 here's just one of the looming disasters because we are focused on the wrong things and not actually focusing on the existential problems that are facing us like the barrel of a gun let's watch dropping below

1:52:03powerful and like Powell may be effectively deadpool like Powell and Lake Mead which are the largest reservoirs in the United States have just hit record low water levels how alarmed should we be how alarmed are you I've spent my entire career trying to tell people to calm down about water concerns and in the last two years I've spent my time telling people they really need to get worried the water levels in Mead have dropped 40% since 2025 we're now 30 feet away from Powerpool and Lake Powell and it is dropping around three to four feet a month which means we are looking at the possibility of reaching Powerpool only in a few months and what Powerpool means is Lake Powell will stop generating electricity so we don't know that if we can continue to release water from Lake Powell to Lake Mead if it drops below that power generating level which means dropping below Powerpool and Lake Powell may be effectively deadpool and deadpool means no water is moving past the dam and we're

1:53:06now running into possible risks of reaching deadpool and Lake Mead which means no water would move past that dam and that water supply is what grows 90% of your winter vegetables we're in a lot of trouble 90% of your winter vegetables grown with water that's not really there anymore that's pretty big problem I think we could solve I think we could handle it you know what takes a lot of waters a lot of water per capita human beings you know what probably didn't help our water conservation efforts is 100 million bonus human beings on top of the people that are supposed to be here it really is the fix everything but in deportations I think we could handle the the water necessities if we weren't rapidly building tens of thousands of homes to house the tens of millions of people who aren't supposed to be here I used to say it a lot more but I think it's worth it to

1:54:11like this phrase and I just to me this like says everything we are not at replacement level population our fertility has crashed meaning that year over year theoretically our population should be shrinking and getting smaller more people are dying than people being born at the same time we are building out neighborhoods around Austin Texas so fast the wells are running dry now this is in consent there's an incongruity here how are we so desperate for houses how are we so desperate to build these tract homes as far as the I can see sucking up all of the underground aquifers and literally leaving it empty Jacob's well here just outside of Austin and Wimberly used to like gush water used to be like like a geyser now it had to be closed for a while because the water level was so low because there's so many new homes tapping into the aquifer it's draining it dry so we're building things so fast we're we're draining our natural resources to nothing

1:55:17but it's not with our people but it's not for our people it's not for Americans building houses for Americans it's all foreign birth I mean it's just crazy it's unsustainable it's ridiculous we need to expel all of these people and we need some modicum some reasonable environmental standards that I wouldn't think wouldn't be that hard but as we're finding out we're stuck between the left who are insane idiots and think that environmentalism is like forcing you to sell your gasoline car that's their idea of saving the planet is like dictating your life choices while they perform the genu-flection or the I don't know the the the pretence of like recycling like that's doing anything yeah Jacob's well and Wimberly is was flowing rapidly for a short time after July's heavy rainfall now the waters are receding again yeah well we got to build 10,000 new homes for 10,000 Indian families

1:56:19who got here on H1V visas so sorry I guess the natural wonders of your state will be both unenjoyable because they're crowded and occupied by bunch foreigners with no respect for your rule of law or nature itself and really it'll just drain a dry soil and exist anymore anyway so can we stop doing that let's stop building all of these houses we don't need them and they're ugly and they're for people that don't even belong here so I that's where I would put my the focus of my blame but obviously things are not just being managed correctly so we're stuck between the retarded leftists who think that you know killing all the cows is environmentalism and Republicans who think that a natural forest is just an untapped money market the the pristine wilderness that our forefathers left us that's just a check to cash once and run off into the sunset with so I would love to see just some basic humanitarian base level let's preserve the planet let's

1:57:25actually take account of our resources and let's not waste them on things that are only destroying us like the foreign populations that arrived here and or the data centers that are meant to enslave us let's not do any of this would be my my preference now we're not getting deportations obviously not to any recognizable or tangible degree but that doesn't mean that ice isn't being used for other purposes that doesn't mean that it's not a useful thing to have in your back pocket this desire for the by the American people the desperate need we have for deportations it's a vulnerability that unscrupulous psychopaths can take advantage of you know what I mean you see what I'm saying like if you were if you were trying to poison somebody you would want them to be really thirsty you know what I'm saying so like we're desperate for deportations they know that they're not giving us that but they're using that desire that need that desperation of ours

1:58:30to get the flock cameras and the robot dogs and everything else there's not actually doing it for deportations but they're using the drive for deportations they're just directing it elsewhere which is annoying which is very annoying and we know that they have the capability to arrest people we know they have the capability to do incredible things really whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want there was talk there's rumors that we're going to be digging another straight to go around the straight of four moves I don't know if that turned out to be accurate but I believe it I believe that America was literally capable of carving out an alternative pathway through the desert for the ocean we could do it of course we got the manpower we've got the money why not we could do that of course we cannot expel Kilmar a brega Garcia for the life of us he's still here but sure dig another straight of four moves to go around the straight of four moves that we closed on purpose so yeah why not yeah viral close claimed us dredged a new safe corridor on the

1:59:34Omani side little no stretch water on the Omani side of the straight of four moves is something attracting attention is the Gulf searches for ways to keep oil moving and one of the most serious disruptions to global energy roots and decades a U.S.-based news and political commentary program Morse report has claimed that new recent satellite imagery indicates a covert dredging operation has created a previously unused shipping corridor through Omani waters so I don't know yeah could be true could not be true I wouldn't disbelieve it I think it's something we're capable of because it doesn't actually benefit America in any possible way so of course it can happen there's no problem there it's just it's just the world that we live in America is more likely to create a canal through the Saudi Arabian desert than it ever is in just like getting the deportations that we actually voted for it's priorities and they're choosing their priorities so let's go to clip eight because we do we we've got some priorities that the Trump administration is focusing on things like getting revenge on behalf of Laura Frickin Lumer and expelling Milo

2:00:41Giannappless so we only touched on it yesterday because the interview had just dropped I had time to watch it after the show and yeah it was worse than I even thought let's go now to clip number eight this is Milo Giannappless on the Pears Morgan program where he lays out the very underhanded tactics that were used I was sort of a soon I was just like I can't believe Milo led his green card lapse like what an idiot that was my take on it is like well you know if he was going to talk so much crap he should have made sure his paperwork was on file like that was wrong this guy apparently that wasn't actually what happened maybe even more underhanded than we even previously understood here's Milo Giannappless on Pears Morgan yesterday so if you have a green card on what basis have they thrown you out of the country they sent notices to an address they knew I didn't live at anymore two addresses ago in Florida almost ten years ago in order to get an in absentia hearing which is basically they show up with a judge they tell the judge you didn't show

2:01:42off you didn't respond to the notices and they asked the judge to give them a you know an order that's what happens they had previously canceled my work permit without telling me they excluded my lawyer and the ICE agents who arrested me in Louisiana told me this I don't know if they were supposed to but they told me that my lawyer had been deliberately excluded and I said well how do you even know that I have one he said because I've got his name and phone number right here but they didn't send him the and the notices and they didn't send you the notices they sent your address you don't live at when you get served with this stuff from immigration it doesn't come by FedEx or or or a process server you know like in your hand or anything like that they just mail it and if they mail it to an address you don't live at they can have a whole that may not have been deliberate I could just be an admin era but I'd had notices from the exit not not just from you know some vague immigration related you know a bit of the government from the precise agency department that sent these notices that had notices that two new addresses close ahead because I've been giving them my address is your green car still valid no because they

2:02:46cancel it without telling me when and that I don't know but I didn't what period of time could it have been cancelled well it must have been cancelled sometime the last year I mean you presumably have you traveled to and from America I happened not to done the last year but at one was the last time you entered America probably two years ago two years ago and you came from where I wasn't here I think probably Europe maybe maybe I say hungry or okay but you answer I don't recall and you enter not using an O1 visa but using the green card right but they is that right yes that's correct and you were allowed in yes and I had my little green card they took all of those things from me when they arrested me how long is the green car valid for we can either get it for two or ten years what did you have it for so I had two years and I was renewing on a two year basis I was that and was it had that elapsed no no I had not no I had not because so your contention just to be clear my yes that your green card yes was still valid

2:03:50at the point that you were deported well no because I think they cancelled it without telling me in what period of time that I don't know yet I've asked for my complete file I've asked for my complete records I don't know if I'll even get them but everything about what happened was very very off and you know I in my life I've been you know called a right wing conspiracy theorist and we're rest of it so I'm not gonna I'm gonna try to keep this like as seen and sober as I can well the point is I'll be watching this interview so anything you say which they can contradict with evidence I like is a dick why would I lie it's gonna make it even more difficult for me to get back to see my family back to see my my pets my so what family do you have back in the America the moment your wife well I'm married to an American I've got a dependence I've got cats I've got you know I've got employees I have a life there I've been there for ten years you know everything is that I imagine a miracle woman no man I don't want to primes you I don't I know you I mean you're a gay man and you're married to a gay man

2:04:52I yes I don't I don't I don't do the sex stuff anymore but yes okay listen I'm only asking because I just want to know what family you have left America yeah but where is your where is your spouse living in the same in the same house and the other the other end of the of the corridor in which state is this this is in California in California in LA yes right and so they had to wait until I left California to kind of scoop me up and and everything about this is peculiar because you know the the the guys who arrested me they said they didn't tell you a lot about this and and they told me the the I say to speak mappin in the center they said three of the five notices they sent were returned to send it had just the unknown so the government knew I wasn't there the government knew I wasn't getting these things it knew that I had no idea what was happening so I mean I think that and that's kind of important they can do these sort of deliberate process errors to check the boxes and go well before we can arrest somebody you know we

2:05:53got to send them an alert and it's like well do we have to send them the alert to their address or we can just send it to somewhere and it's their fault they don't get it this is why I wouldn't you know jumping on the you know bandwagon right out the gate because you got to understand if you're going to be targeted by selective enforcement of laws you don't actually have to do anything wrong and most of the time somebody's done something wrong you can get them on somebody's got an expired tag that you can pull them over and then claim that they made a threat I mean there's all sorts of things you can do nobody should be in support of Laura Frickin Lumer dictating who ice is going after and going after my logy enopolis by apparently canceling his green card without telling him and yeah I don't the crew is asking me in the bread or during the video I don't I don't understand how he can be married to an American and not be allowed to stay here I mean I would think that being married get you that green I'm done to get you a green card I guess he had one but

2:06:56that seems suspicious to me if he's still legally married in America without not prevent him being deported at least so rapidly I don't know that that's all kind of weird to me all a little bit bizarre to me but I want to go now to clip number 13 this sort of goes into everything that I've been talking about where like you you gotta you gotta be able to see where all this is leading you've got to be able to understand that like like I you know I'm trying to think of a metaphor of like in a small town you've got a sheriff who just like he wants to get you on something he wants to get you on something and you know he finds out that your dog got out of the gate and when pooped on in neighbor's yard and so he goes and arrest you for that and charges you and you're sitting there going I'm in jail because of this is just because the sheriff doesn't like me the sheriff hates me because I dated his daughter whatever it is and he's just coming after me with whatever people go but your dog did poop on the lawn though and it's like okay but that's not the point right

2:07:59it's it's not you can't just point go well but he did overstays be okay but how do we get here and was this discovered as a routine act of you know routine uh police behavior that it was discovered and he got charged or was this a targeted arrest because that's extremely dangerous and even if the thing they're being arrested for is technically on paper true you should still be able to see what happens when you open up this Pandora's box you should be able to understand where it goes when you start making allowances for your government to start targeting specific people and not others start enforcing certain crimes for certain people but not other crimes for other people I mean this is worse than no law at all is significantly worse than anarchy I'd rather have no law whatsoever in the ability to just do whatever I want to whoever I want and you know survived by the you know sweat of your brown blood you can make other people shut like I'd rather just have no lot all then basically law is doesn't exist except where Laura Loomer wants it to

2:09:02law doesn't exist except where it's useful to invoke to shut down political dissidents it's a very dangerous game they're playing with our laws and with our justice system and with our immigration system and with our free speech and it's all being justified because it's Donald Trump and people are actually falling for it and I can't believe they are let's go now to clip number 13 this is what you look like if you're cheering for flock and data centers let's watch you're scared of flock cameras you carry a cell phone with GPS all day what's the difference it's not a war we're just bombing Iran we need the data centers we have to win the AI race oh my god shut the hell up about Epstein already gas costs more so what it's worth it if Iran doesn't get a nuke if you've got nothing to hide why do you care if they track you

2:10:08America's finally great again it's finally great again at we are forbidden at we are forbidden incredible stuff they come out with just like a bomb bomb shell AI video about once a week you got to fall then at we are forbidden was that video real I really can tell if you want to imagine a 15-minute city you're looking Gaza Gaza is the first it's the prototype of the 15 minutes city it has AI machine guns mounted above the gates constant surveillance the controlled existence the lack of rights the lack of prosperity obviously the inability to even get sufficient food water and they like water something that people understand you describe the worst case scenario of prison planning you're just describing Palestine they say they want globalism to eliminate war if about nations you don't have war this is what what awaits us you don't have wars between

2:11:09armies from two nations you'll have endless continuous war on anybody who resist on anybody who refuses to give in on anybody who does not willingly submit themselves to the globalist masters can't see how what awaits us is already being rolled out in Gaza and Palestine yes we'll just have to wait till it's here I need to maintain I didn't need did not even intend for that to be such such an appropriate connection between all these other things that we're talking about like what do you need for prison planning you need the surveillance right now if you're going to do surveillance you're going to need somewhere to put that data to parse it and to run the AI models you're going to need you know 15-minute city style restrictions to movement that'll be made easier once you have the flat cameras everywhere to make sure where everybody is and then you need the resource scarcity you need to what you know everybody understands water remember that clip from the world economic forum where they were like well we didn't get everything

2:12:11we wanted for COVID because it was a little bit vague it was like the disease is invisible do you have a DNA but everybody understands water everybody knows what it's like to be thirsty and when you're thirsty there's no question about what you need you need water so we should control that water I guess just coincidence that we're also noticing at the same time the flat cameras and the data centers and the ice robot dogs are all being established here in America we're running out of water what a coin what a crazy coincidence you guys or maybe it's that the world elite are literally going to try to kill us all and they're just doing it right out in front of us and we could feel free to notice and resist at any point and they wouldn't succeed but but we continue but we continue but we continue and it continues on I'm gonna go to a longer video here that I think is worth it but I got a couple headlines to read and things to say I mean this is I talked about this yesterday but

2:13:11they're they're coming out and saying it again from Reuters.com Trump AIDS fearing a midterm route pushed to keep a Ron war quiet for now yet translation we know the Iran wars unpopular so we're not going to talk about it or really do anything to expand it until the midterms are over until you vote for us we won't do the thing that you don't want us to do is this a good show I was trying to think of you know a metaphor of this another way to interpret this it would kind of be like you know telling your wife you're not gonna cheat on her until she goes out of town you know what I mean where it's like that's not really the point here actually it's like we're not gonna do the thing you don't want us to do until we have the power that we're asking it's like I don't like that I mean what it's just like what okay if the Iran war is that unpopular you're gonna lose the midterms over it maybe stop doing it maybe just actually in the Iran war but to come out and say vote for us

2:14:16then we'll do the Iran war as is not the best pitch to me not the best pitch meanwhile Trump continues his unbroken streak of doing the exact opposite of what his followers and constituency want Trump promotes AI data center deal with BlackRock and others oh wonderful oh great tell you what when you get done chopping down the trees at the JFK center when you get done insulting all of us for being too stupid to want a data center in our backyard when you get done not caring about how economically everybody is struggling right now when you're done telling us that you know just all the crap that he's come out with over the last couple of weeks you let us know but what the hell in video plan some mobilize over 500 billion in dollars and third party capital for AI infrastructure and support for major financial firms like BlackRock and Goldman Sachs you know the good guys pretty sure those are the good guys

2:15:18Trump argues the communities should welcome data centers for jobs and economic growth despite growing opposition over concerns about noise electricity and water consumption but as we know from Howard Leidenick and they don't consume water I mean they do require lots of water I mean they are just gulping down water at incredible rates but they don't require water and then him of course telling you you're stupid and killing the golden goose for daring and you know somebody pointed out to me yesterday and this kind of another layer of questions I have on top of this now obviously the internet works pretty well as it is now America has 4,000 data center something like that and we are we run the backbone in the digital infrastructure for everybody online right I mean it depends a little bit on the website but for example something like X all of their servers are here in the United States so every Indian person every Chinese

2:16:19person every African person that's on X all of their data exchange is all taking taking place on American data centers so for one thing why are we doing that why are we supplying all of this infrastructure for everybody I don't even want these people on the internet I don't even want to interact with people from India on my internet why are we supplying it for everybody else but of course the internet has consistently grown the requirements for data centers or server farms has consistently grown along with the internet back when it was just email and text it didn't take a lot of data now that we have streaming video and all this stuff it requires more data and as the requirements have grown the data infrastructure has grown commensurate with that why we have this sudden jump despite being 10 times you know having 10 times the number of data centers why are we doing this suicidal pursuit of thousands of more data centers why are we allowing our

2:17:24water resources to be consumed in massive amounts to feed these data centers the obvious conclusion was always this is so AI can run the surveillance you need the space to keep all these videos then somebody brought up yesterday and I I don't know how I've thought about this yet a cure cancer right well you ever been to China you ever heard of the social credit score system that's what the AI is supposed to be used for that's right we have to build 10,000 sorry we have to imminent domain your childhood home Natalie Portman needs bigger boobs I need to make a video of a banana on a skateboard quick totally ridiculous but okay that's a reasonable explanation why are we pursuing data centers with this suicidal abandon well because they got to build up the infrastructure for the AI prison planet but then it's like well hold on China has

2:18:301.4 billion people in it however many it's got to be over a billion by this point right well round down they've got a billion people in China they've got a social credit system they've got persistent surveillance and they still have one tenth the number of server farms that we do so I that doesn't even explain it actually that doesn't even explain it if we had the same social credit score as China somehow they can run it for three times as many people as we have and they still have one tenth the number of data centers something does not compute here this doesn't make any sense why would America need 10 times the server farms to try and even if we were doing a social credit score clearly they're doing it without having to build all this stuff so what is this really about I don't have uh answer the benefits us right I don't have a good answer in terms of how this would benefit us just insane yeah I don't know why I hadn't thought of it's like

2:19:33wait China does have a sort they do have persistent video surveillance everywhere and they've three times many people as us and they still don't require this data so what is this about what are they trying to do with all this I'm suspicious now I want to go to this uh longer video and then we'll cover what Stanley Kubrick's daughter Vivian Kubrick said about the missing 20 minutes of eyes wide shut on the other side and this is longer video usually I don't like to go to these longer videos but I do think this one's worth it clip number nine here this is Blair Cattrell arguing against the Australian hate speech laws and I think this is extra important because obviously I'm not as tuned in to what's going on in Australia so I don't even know some of this stuff was happening but clearly as has been the case for a while Australia is a testing ground for the new world order just like they were the ones with the covid camps they're the first with this very

2:20:38obvious but effective method of literally destroying democracy itself I think you'll see what I mean I'm not a fan of democracy but people's ability to participate in politics probably a good thing so let's go now this is Blair Cattrell clip number nine and Australian talking about the very sophisticated method being used to enslave that entire continent let's watch picture this your country is overwhelmed by aggression and poor leadership there's rampant crime there's terrorism and housing is completely unaffordable you'll never own a home like your parents did and it's really not even safe to just go for a walk in the streets where you grew up but the presiding government ignores the problems and just keeps doing what the money tells them to do so you and your mates get together and you start talking about how to solve some of these problems but you realize to have a lasting impact you need a political party you need to contest elections and win some seats in parliament you start by making some videos online you host some protests some

2:21:39meetings and your message is really resonating with the people within a year you've got almost 2,000 members signed on and many more supporters more than enough to register a party with the Electoral Commission your plan is to hold immigration which will instantly drop the price of property and rent you want to restore national manufacturing get our oil refineries going again and put the Australian people the original working class first but then early one morning riot police kick your door in they drag you out of bed and say you're a member of a prohibited hate group and you're under arrest you ask them what that means and what crime you've committed but they don't answer you they don't actually know what you did or didn't do they're just on orders to arrest you and the truth is you didn't do anything you haven't actually broken any laws the problem is your political party just got made illegal in the weeks following all your party members are arrested because while you were trying to register your party the presiding government used a new law which allows them to ban political parties on the basis that those parties are

2:22:39hateful some of your members do deals with cops to stay out of prison others go to jail for 10 or 15 years that's the end of your party and you're in jail for the foreseeable future that might sound crazy like that could only happen in some banana republic or a very corrupt third world country but as of January this year the Australian government can and has been doing this on May 15th of this year foreign minister Tony Burke used new laws rushed through parliament after the bond I terror attack to ban the white Australia party as a prohibited hate group now the government in Australia hasn't tried to do anything like this in a long time back in 1951 prime minister Robert Menzies tried to make a law to ban the communist party of Australia but the high court stepped in and said you can't just ban political parties that basically violates everything we stand for as a democracy men's ease wasn't ready to give up though he put a referendum to the people seeking public support to ban the communist party but the people refused the public wasn't too keen on

2:23:41communism but they still agreed that banning political parties was undemocratic so the precedent was set outlawing political parties wasn't allowed back to the present day the white Australia party obviously had nothing to do with the bond I terror attack but they've been outlawed as a hate group anyway based on laws that were made immediately after that terror attack and as a consequence of that attack how does banning the white Australia party stop terrorism it doesn't at all the government is just set on banning certain political parties but why well new political parties are rising all across the west opposing mass immigration and bowing to undo the damage former governments have done to their own nations these new parties are generating huge amounts of support ever since social media change the way we access information and the kind of information we can see old governments or the traditional two-party voting systems have never been more unpopular basically people's eyes are wide open now especially after covid the traditional major parties of the west have really

2:24:43fallen out of favor with the people and they're on the way out but in Australia the presiding government has created a scheme for cleaning to power in a way which really steam rolls our national constitution and essentially amounts to treason the laws they just rushed through at the start of 2026 are called combating anti-semitism hate and extremism bill they allow the government to ban political parties and jail their political opponents for up to 15 years and they've done this in spite of the legal precedent set by the high court in 1951 it's like they don't even care what the federal court says but here's the crazy part no one in a party that's being banned needs to have committed any actual crimes the presiding government only needs to be satisfied that the targeted parties members have engaged in hateful conduct even if that hateful conduct was years in the past what is hateful conduct the definition is loose it's basically whatever the government decides it wants hateful to mean the meaning of hate in the context of this law is almost entirely subjective

2:25:45meaning it doesn't have a strong fixed definition and they've used this term deliberately so they can flexibly apply this law to any group or party the government wants to cancel so when you hear government ministers talk about hate or even hate crime that's not a term referencing any legitimate criminal activity it can mean pretty much anything you can say something that challenges government policy in a way which embarrasses a certain minister and they can decide your guilty of a hate crime any group you're involved in even loosely you don't have to be a direct member any group you're associated with can be outlawed as a hate group on the basis of your comments or your conducts which doesn't even have to be criminal now i'm not someone who tries to drum up outrage for clicks i'm not trying to sell you a t-shirt i'm trying to tell you that if you're a Australian like me wearing a lot of trouble here the major parties in our country have exploited terrorism to make a deal to cancel democracy so we can't vote them out until this year every Australian citizen have the right to register political parties contest elections and vote for a party of their choosing

2:26:48but that just got canceled while the media talks about taxes and the definition of a woman you're right to fully participate in politics express yourself freely and vote the way you choose to vote just got shut down this is the worst thing that's ever happened to Australia and no one's talking about it because the government has deliberately misframed it as banning Nazis but they're lying because this law isn't actually about banning Nazis this is about canceling your right to contest elections forge new political parties and vote freely the labor party is using anti-Nazi moral hysteria to try to prevent people from understanding or criticizing this new law if you don't like the hate group law then you must be a Nazi that's what they're trying to imply but isn't the whole reason Nazis are even considered bad is because they ban political parties and try to eradicate certain people and ideologies so what to fight Nazis the government needs to do exactly what Nazis did historically and the white Australia party was trying to participate

2:27:49in politics legally through a registered political party so even if they are Nazis whatever that even actually means these days they were forced to operate within a certain legal framework which prevented violence and extremism which is the whole point of democracy but that framework is now gone which obviously encourages political violence and what happens when thousands of white Australia members and supporters retreat to one nation which they're currently doing since their original party was banned well in the government can just ban one nation as well on the basis that its new members and associates are guilty of hate and there's no realistic way for one nation to protect itself from this outcome even if they shut down their branches and introduce strict vetting process people are going to slip through the cracks and someone will have done something the government decides is hateful at some point in the past one nation really has no choice but to demand these laws are repeal immediately and campaign on that basis because even if one nation or other political parties are not banned immediately on the basis of this law the threat of a

2:28:53ban will constantly loom overhead coercing the way these parties behave and forcing them into deals they otherwise wouldn't have done any political party which expects to participate in politics independently and forge its own policies freely has to contest the next election purely on the grounds of repealing these new laws constitutional legal expert dr. Anne Twomey just three days ago sound of the alarm using a youtube channel to warn australia that the government has implemented these laws to set a precedent for banning political parties to preserve its position and cancel its opponents former white australia party member tomas suil has applied for an emergency injunction at the high court which was accepted and is scheduled for a hearing in september to try to fight these laws every australian with a brain has a moral duty to oppose these laws every sensible person will stop worrying about the definition of a woman and start talking about these hate group laws nothing in australia is more pressing right now so share this video with your friends and family and help them understand and i'd say nothing is more pressing worldwide because obviously it's not

2:29:56just australia that's being subjected to this it's sort of a testing ground see if they get the language right to you know minimize outrage about this but you know it's really an incredibly effective trick just labeling things as hate hate is subjective hate is vague it's you know what does it really mean i mean if a fact can be hateful all you're doing is just saying we're just going to censor we're just going to censor you and hate is whatever you know it's like yesterday when i described sort of the view of morality as not being good versus evil with the straight line down the middle but more of like a circle where inside is the truth and goodness and life and outside is hate right that's right it's like inside the circle is what is good for the australian power structure what is good for the people who want to enslave the planet that's considered good and loving and for outside of that you're in the hate zone sorry sorry we declared your beliefs hate so now you can't have them anymore i mean you wouldn't think people fall for this but they certainly are that again was Blair Co Trell and i thought it was very pertinent warning not

2:31:00just for the people of australia but the people everywhere in every anglosphere nation certainly including us now if you watch the eight front eight front war there's a clip in that where australians are talking about the new hate speech laws that were enacted following the bond i shooting and the woman asks if i criticize israel if i criticize the way they wage war if i criticize if i say they're committing genocide would that be in violation of the anti-semitism structures and the guy says yeah it would so let's be clear in australia if you criticize israel or claim that they're bad or that they are committing genocide or that they're you know if you talk negatively about the nation state of israel they will declare that you are anti-semitic and they will actually send you to jail for years if they can which is interesting because we got a clip number three here this was a video posted by israeli national security minister bin gavir

2:32:06it's an ai depiction of palestinians on a conveyor belt into a slaughterhouse so let's go and watch clip number three here okay so here you see bin gavir ai video pressing the red button as all of these i guess you know innocent palestinians you know guilty of not wanting to be killed by israelis so just so we're clear that video of bin gavir celebrating the gas chambers he's created the nazi style execution conveyor belt that he's celebrating that's not hateful okay because that's a jewish person okay that's israel they're allowed to kill their enemies even without a trial okay even if they're not really accused and i'm no ability to defend themselves and the system that's running is outside of all restrictions of human rights and new basic humanity it doesn't matter

2:33:06that's good in loving and beautiful and wonderful if however you claim that that video we just saw bin gavir running the conveyor belt of death is bad well not now you're hateful how dare you spread your vile anti-smetic hate on innocent angel bin gavir who did nothing wrong certainly you can't consider murdering palestinians by the dozens wrong that's not hateful that's beautiful in loving and good okay but calling it genocide you're going to jail okay if you don't like this if you think what you're seeing on screen right now the human conveyor belt of death is bad that's called hate you are now a hateful person and maybe you need a little bit of therapy to help you understand this hate okay maybe you need to go to a mental hospital maybe prison's not right for you maybe you need to be medicated until you stop being so hateful about poor innocent bin gavir and his loving conveyor belt of death okay so in Australia you're not yeah welcomed israel folks see

2:34:10that's loving and beautiful and good and if you have empathy or sympathy for the father in the plastic handcuffs who you know was on a boat near israel that was the crime he committed was you know trying to bring food to starving people on a boat and he deserves it and he should be murdered probably and if you're against that sorry that's hate you're hateful okay so don't even try to criticize bin gavir so that makes you an anti-Semite you're going to jail okay glad we cleared that up glad everything is so normal and good and not everybody going insane because of one particular's country's desperation to be able to kill everybody without anybody criticizing them or even talking back even once so let's tell you just see this for what it is and cast off the shackles we all cast off the shackles together wouldn't be that hard