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0:00Power that they don't like Yeah, yeah, I mean I think yeah, I understand what you're saying. I mean, I think like if it's if it's if we're like accepting that Yeah, like there's an anti-tech Movement of some kind or like um there's like um these sort of expressions of anti-tech sentiment like coming out in like dramatic kind of ways like you know spontaneous or or or planned but you know extremely less than and it and it and it it does It's true that it breaks politically different ways. Maybe depending on what someone's Exposed what ideas someone's exposed to as they're like feeling Feeling this anxiety and this desire for for revenge and but I guess like

1:03Yeah, like I feel like most people Here oh someone attacked Sam Altman's house when most people hear that they don't wonder was that person an eco radical or an Insurrectionary anarchist right or eco fashion or an eco fascist but like It does seem but I I guess It seems like if the That that anti-tech sentiment sort of continues to like build and intensify and it isn't sort of like placated and it isn't you know in a really in a really thorough way then like um One of these sort of ideological Currents within it could like become more prominent within Yeah, and so Maybe it so I would say maybe it does matter like how

2:04These people are identifying Ideologically because it tells us something about the possibility of like um, you know the eco fascists like consolidating all of the Sort of like authority I guess around like what it what the anti-tech movement is trying to do Because I think that would obviously be like twisted Yeah, I mean the end goals are really different right yeah, I guess I'm more like Yeah, and I'm not trying to say they're all good because of this or something It's yeah, what what I'm saying is like It feels There's something that feels helpful for me to recognize that like a lot of people are actually just frustrated Yeah, and enough to like

3:06Enough to like kind of take on pretty extreme positions or whatever And yeah, I can like really I mean obviously like the eco fascist is completely looking Like it just doesn't make sense, you know, um, but Uh Yeah, I guess I guess just uh knowing that like People are finding themselves to be really upset or whatever Yeah, it's like nice, you know, I would yeah, but then uh Yeah, I mean, but then there's this whole you know like there is I think There's this whole political thing that can happen though where people are like oh well okay We've recognized that there's this like common frustration or whatever and how do we shape our narrative? So like to capture the grown demographic of frustrated people and and like crystalize that into like a political party or

4:06You know like a political yeah, I explain it towards like whatever our own ends me more seeing now I've seen some really annoying examples of that for sure around some of the anti-datastinist work Right, I mean the social is more I think are actually Yeah, they're they're the best at doing it in terms of how quickly they adapt themselves, but they're also Uh the worst at not being What how this is like they're really transparent It's to me seems like because how quickly they switch Issues or whatever it just is like kind of ridiculous for sure. Yeah, it just looks it looks Opportunistic like from the outside if you take attention, though sure Well, I don't know. Yeah, I was I mean kind of like um Maybe this is a little bit of a pivot that is maybe if a good for timing like

5:11earlier We were talking about um Like oh, it's kind of satisfying to see the really fast tremble And also it's like oh shit if they like Really think they're if they like Really think like all that they're data centers are about to get burned down and like people are gonna be doing Drive buys with their mansions like all the time then like they're gonna react in like a crazy S way And that's like there's something scary about that um And it just made me think about like want to compare or try or um like the uh like the then-tensity of the Stuff that precipitated you know that led up to um like operation backfire and green scare Like that is if like if if like if that's analogous to now Then like to work degree or at what point are we in a similar cycle repeating?

6:18Because like there's a just like a statistic in this article where it's like It talks about like there was one hundred eighty nine Vandalism and arson attacks that they're attributing to the ALF and the ELF over three decades or something and um and i think they're You know and forty three million dollars in damages to American infrastructure That's a telling phrase but um So like that's what was happening and led up to like um You know the feds like really going after people and Now it's kind of like But the examples in here are not like There's one like there's one group but you know attributed to like dozens or hundreds of like actions. It's not like that at all like most of the groups at least in the US

7:20um What they talk about So it just makes me think like um You know maybe The Well maybe whatever the the tech elite is not as afraid um as The You know enemies the elite enemies of the ALF and ELF were By the time The feds really went after No and yeah Because like yeah all the examples of like really recent stuff in here Um like the stuff is more intense is uh Where people are like attacking power groups and shit is like in In Europe And then in the US it's really makes a lot out of the uh the San Almond thing and like kind of like hand hand waves uh

8:20About the about anti data center stuff. There's not a lot of specific examples There's something mentioned shite in it. I know I hear about this in April as Someone in Indianapolis council person to some local politician Says it says someone shot a gun at his house after backing a data center probably that's like kind of the most What really Jamai thing is really mentioned around data centers But um Anyway, so maybe just point being The like resurgent anti-tick Things not At like the kind of intensity though It's sort of like um You know the the the high water mark of like it's historical precedence or something Yeah, I don't know if high water mark is there

9:21Yeah, but uh, but I think also the tools For repression or really different now. So maybe like panic Um Was more justified back then or something you know like The the amount of surveillance and stuff that they have now just I assume they In the US Think that they got a good handle on things You know That like the I don't know I mean I'm speculating but like that the Development of AI surveillance technology and stuff is like totally outpaced the The kind of resistance that direct action playbook. Yeah That's Uh I don't want to I don't want to just take so I don't want to accept that's

10:22No, I'm not I feel like I want to whistle about that. Yeah, I don't I don't think that's necessarily true And I think it totally depends on where you're talking about and there's like that's a longer conversation That's right. I'm responding to um The the kind of like perceived how we're perceiving the panic or like fear And these people are not yeah, I think It's likely that they're like oh Like you can't get away with most things that would actually be dangerous to us or whatever Potentially like I think that would like factor into how they respond to Whereas in the 90s or whatever. Just like this was not you know, yeah, this The infrastructure that exists now back then Well So but um

11:24Well, I mean who knows I I I do think I mean yeah my takeaway from this is like Just that I want to try to read stuff like this more Because it's interesting. I mean they're they're obviously paying close attention Yeah, I mean this For sure, I mean this article has like the people around us and like Read a bunch of stuff. I've been meaning to read It's great. I never read the the thing that they point out with like ITS That was like kind of shocking to like referencing neo-maltese as inspiration me Yeah, I I didn't know because you just read That's awesome. Yeah, I read a toss and I read some of the earlier communities Yeah, like a while ago now, but yeah, it doesn't talk about that. There is a toss a two

12:29Yeah Yeah, it talks about it My friend told me that there's a in Washington DC. There's like a museum or something that has like his whole cabin Oh, because that's he's Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they transported it supposedly as part of the investigation like One time I saw a bar getting moved To box on a back of like wide blood like the whole building. Yeah Well, what a time to be alive. I'm here. I'm not sure I'm imagining Kazinski's cabin on the back of a flatbed truck with an entourage of like wide load trucks and then a secondary ring of like blacked out like fucking like FBI trucks and then like a helicopter

13:30Like above like you know what I mean? I don't know I I mean I think in Because they made like a doc non-documentary they made like a Netflix special without And I watch the years ago And I'm pretty sure in it they they flew the whole cabin I I don't know how true that is I mean, there's a dramatic shot, you know, so I don't know Did all that That looked cool and like Taking the cabin out of the woods and put it into some like weird hanger or the exam in every part of it He there's an interesting there's a quote from Kazinski where he says it is only since 11 that I've had people who've been willing and able to spend

14:34Substantialness time and effort doing research for me And they're saying that's because They're like quoting that to To support the assertion that he's become increasingly popular among intrasherant energies Yeah, I didn't get how they're connected Yeah, they're saying that that's who's doing the research That's basically like what's implied but it but it's not what he says But then he but you know he does Yeah Well We're out of an hour should we Did is there closing thoughts Go down Hmm Oh, well, I mean the last thing that I would like to say is just like

15:42This week's podcast we sound edited by echo the what's new is written by chisel red by chisel and Pp with who We hope this podcast is useful Well, you know this podcast is useful to confront for an episode Okay My my daddy works for the secret marines I know because he keeps six different brains and now the high charts on our living room. Amelies Keep Six different guys of food coloring it For some reason and uses them for flower pots And I know Because they all talk to me when nobody's home Sparks and lighting bolts chuck out in ions like a service in the fireplace

16:43While I roll around on the floor and masturbate in painful ecstasy Like this Oh My daddy has seven brains Fixed in our house and one that he keeps in his head that he doesn't tell anybody about That he uses to play along with those TV games shows when nobody's home Oh They all have six-digit numbers on names Once a month or so Once a mother so six gentlemen in uniforms that come to our house And my mommy and I Hey, not so loud My mommy and I Have to leave the room while they talk and do something to the brains

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18:49In this episode it's about the war, the war, the war in Ukraine Russian rockets, radio drones, they make more castle towers How much longer the ICE The last remains And more necessary now to feel the quails now maken near the emeralds of a popular minister Solar לכens I'm Thomas etc the Vasti Koroz from the show Osteo-Opa Kennen on The historical journalist Hubert Smith I know you're alone if there are many people in the audience. And that's the right way. Where are we? Can you write that in the court? We are in Amersvoort, at the Year's Recha conference. Recha is an organisation that is used to all people, who are mainly known for their artistic, artistic, love and freedom, with the spirit of art,

19:49Russia, Belarus and other ordinary Soviet republics. It has been a long time since the last year, where they can speak to other speakers, they can speak to an entrepreneur and a few people are from the political point of view. But for all their own experience and their knowledge of the future, they can share with colleagues. These are the people who are really in the dark, they should be in the dark. And they should be in the dark, because they should be in the dark. They should be in the dark, because they should be in the dark, and not in the dark. I don't know what you'll say about this. Recha is an organisation that was built in 2021 with the help of Minister of Banta Zaka and the spirit of the institution is called Klingendaal. But also, a number of small partners have been created, and one of the small partners is a platform for them. Where can I say the entrepreneur of this network? That's all, again, Superiumont. It's been a month since our first experience at the Zomer stop. How much do you think about Ukraine, Russia, and your own country?

20:52Do you think that country has been built? No, I've been to France. And at the same time, I think it's only in my pocket. In my pocket, in my pocket, since I was 22, 24, where I don't have any book in my pocket. So what I do is keep the news, keep the news, keep the news. Some become a Zomer, some become a Zomer, and the next to do the Slavs. Why are there so many Zombs? This is why I've talked about the company. The customer was the first to buy the new product. And you heard about how Putin was built. Putin was the first to buy it. But he was the first to buy it. It's a important moment, sorry, I'm a Zerg, Chris. Then he gave it to me. There he said that it's comfortable to be able to feel with the arrival of the customer. No word is allowed. This whole American operation is to make it comfortable, comfortable. Comfort, as it is in the case of the company.

21:52You're called Chris. In many ways, I also know Chris has. Because we heard Chris every time. We're talking about him, that's Chris Corlein. Normally we talk about him, but he's here next to us. Very good that you're here. Very nice to be here. This is the idea of a vacation. Do you still have a podcast? Yes, it has to be. I'm a good week in the Netherlands. I don't want to work on it yet. You just have to see it. It keeps the conversation going. Because in the end, there's no vacation. I try it. We take a day off to the customer's visit to Kyiv. I didn't have anything to do with it. It was quite special. It was actually a good time. I saw pictures of them, but they told me about the taste.

22:52I was really happy with them. I was a bit surprised. Do you get a sort of fair or missing car? I don't think so. I had a few fair or missing cars in the middle. I think so. It's a bit good. It's not out yet. It's one big red row. This visit doesn't live on the front. I don't miss much. It's a bit of a conversation we had in the past. About the car, the clothing, the clothing, the whole thing. It's a shame that it's on the back. Yes, it certainly has a customer and a witness. It's a Kyiv-like sign. It's on Kyiv's regime. It's the regime of Kyiv. It's a year ago made by a hip-kiss modemerk. It's also a direct reference to the word of Kremlin officials.

23:52They all speak about the whole regime in Kyiv. So, the Ukrainians have taken it as a sign of the Kremlin. They presented it to the Kurschnur-Witkopf. Or they started to understand it. You could have had it, but you've been doing a couple of weeks. You made a couple of different things in your clothing. Yes, I was with the shirt in my hand. I thought, yes, where am I going to do that? I missed the chance. They came to Kyiv for the first time. I believe the idea was that they would fly there. But they are still flying via Polen with the train to Kyiv. Yes, sure. And they still want to fly there. But on the front of the war of their future, they have a couple of rockets on the fly. They are around Kyiv. So, to avoid flying, I don't think they can fly there. How do you then come from Kyiv? Yes, that's a train. So, I have now taken the train from Kyiv to Polen, the night train. And then you come to the beach, a beach of Shemisho, or the border, or the money.

24:56A little bit more. So, there are the two biggest poles of the border. And from there you get the train to Warshelvkrakau, to fly to the Netherlands. It's a very expensive train. I'm at the Mestal 27-28-20-hour distance from Deur deur. You said that when I went to the group, we talked about this with a group of people from Kurschner and Wittkopf at Kyiv. Or do you want to talk about it? Well, we have said that we don't know what happened. Wittkopf was made up with an idea. It was a good idea, as it was. But what made the idea more helpful than what happened in the previous sixies in the border? We don't know. We had to go out, that the variation was in the previous sixies. And that came to the idea that I had to do on a kind of capitalization of Ukraine. But, especially, we didn't talk about it that day.

25:56We talked about the capitalization of Europe. One of the key aspects of the plan of Wittkopf is that European sanctions must be made in Russia. The other word Wittkopf is presented itself not only as a warning, but also as a warning of the President Trump. And that's important because, as you all know, the French state has actually taken a screenshot of Europe. And, yes, actually, a state of state has taken a screenshot of Ukraine. A small example of it is that the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, the owner of the US Congress in the resistance has just at the moment that, in the House of the House, the resolution of Graham, or the support of Ukraine, will be handled. The resolution in which the US support Ukraine is being taken forward, on the high level, will be able to be removed. In the Senate, it has to be taken forward in the House. And, precisely, that person, Mike Johnson, I'm sorry, I'm with him.

26:56It's hard to make it with the App Steint files, but the point is that this important information in America is now being taken forward. In the case of Wittkopf and Kushner, we can talk about a variety of topics. That the first thing that was about the issue was for Zelenski. What do they do there? Well, the fact that they have been in Ukraine for the first time in their lives, and for the fact that Zelenski, both hear the truth, let's say, the older is the criminal itself, has political symbolically meaning. And that's funny, and that's maybe also effective on what is longer than mine. But at this moment, there is no need to talk about arguments and facts about this change of the US. In the meantime, in October, November, December, December, the month after the last of the month, where it gets darker, where in Russia, there will be back on instruments that have first passed, to break the world in the corner.

27:57You live there. What do you notice now in your daily life of the intention of the Russian attack? The Russian attack that has changed, so in the past two and a half years, that I live there, I have seen really innovative things. So it's about the number of attacks, types of attacks and drones, the frequency, the goals, and where they are located, so everything is changing. And since, again, me and me, there is a clear understanding in the systematic attacks of the attack, the Russian are very quickly attracted to attacks, with very ballistic attacks, where Ukraine cannot be defeated properly because the previous battle of Patriot Reket is over. And now, it's over. Ukraine cannot be defeated, that is, the rest of Russia, so they can actually make a strategy very simple, but the Reket, we will not do anything against it, and we can just do it. And what they are doing afterwards is in the past months a new type of drone.

29:00That is, for a year, the first time that the drone is led to the first to shoot, and there is a strong engine on it, so that the drone can fly much faster, also otherwise it sounds sad. And the drone, there is not really Ukraine. You hear the difference, too, sure, sure. The old drone, that sounds like a kind of brummer, which is for the company, and the new drone sounds more like a flyer, that is, a real bovier flyer. It sounds like a kind of low-rise. Do you react to it, then, as a member of Kievan? Yes, I take the driving again seriously, then for sure. Also because I know that there is a little air defense, because this new attack is still difficult to get off the plane, but also because Russia is still more pressure on central Ukraine in Kiev. So, in a week, as a result, Russia has a drone that is leading the way to the main square of the Ukrainian secret service, SBO. And that main square is about 300 meters away from my house. But you have already experienced in previous episodes of station Kiev.

30:03There is a report, you have reported why you are going to die until the end of the trip. The light in the middle, where a lot of high-rise space comes. So, the chance that something happens is relatively small, but the guarantee was never, but the names that can be found in the spring. Yes, slowly, certainly, Russia is still fighting the border. And let's, for example, walk off the road, with the accident on the Giamedienst, we see that the trip is to go further. Then, for sure. And that means that it also goes to the end of the trip, where we live a lot of diplomats, where many foreign policy are also coming. And that is also being signals that Russia is not planning to stop. Do you think that the Minister of Foreign Affairs also wants to make a report on you? And the government is building something wrong with you, and the President of the country is also building something wrong with you. It also becomes a tool to the Russian language, or is that still a step forward? I would not explain anything. Finally, there was a case where I was clear to hear that Russia was building that one in the center.

31:08I probably tried to pull it off with a rocket. I found in my rocket screen on the state. I took a few measures to the house. As a souvenir, which is not the case, you never have to do it. It is being taken off, because those things could be dangerous. That's right. You know that well. You are a journalist and you do something. But yes, the Russian have already made a decision that they can do it. And that they also want to. The question is, what do they have to win? Of course, they do not want to buy 20 Americans at a certain age. They will not help them. They will make a lot of money. But they want to increase in political hard and cultural hard. But the government is the first to increase. Why not? No. I would like to have the effect. I ask that the Kyiv Socialist Institute, Khmis, has recently adopted this effect on the value of Ukraine. What more has been to have the Russian-Berge and the Kyiv tried to achieve this.

32:14At least it is enough to become a country to become a country with Russia. And the most interesting thing about this effect is that, especially in the east and south of the country, the NEPA provinces, but also around the Black Sea, Mikhail and Odessa, have become a bandage for a machine until the bomb is called Greater for the Aboriginal battle, exponentially for Ukraine that started with countries that willqontribate and take revenge on a personas like Russia. All these years, many young researchers under the summer had stopped dying in Explainersford. It's also historical, it's so beautiful that when you're going to bombard burgers, that burgers will be burnt on the windows that the rocket has been fired. So that's not different from the UR.

33:15Every time, if something happens, the first biggest emotion I have ever had, how stupid they are, why did they do this again? And of course, people are hard-working because it's been four and a half years. But the biggest emotion is that we have to go back and we have to go through it. Because if we don't give up, then all those deaths are also for nothing. That feels like something that is impossible. The problem is that the German government is trying to solve that. And sometimes the news comes out of it, because there is a lack of understanding, then again, we can make a concrete plan. We have been in the UR for a week, a road road, where we look at countries with a front line, which could help, Spain, was my country, it was a bit hard, but nothing happened. How do you look at the slow European process? So that's my qualifications, maybe I'm wrong about you, but there's a little bit of a delay. I think it's going to be slow, I think I should take it easy. Thank you.

34:17I think we have a few arguments for each other, and I think there are a few excuses for Europe. Europe itself is losing its own interest in the crisis. What we don't want to get into. Which European country is still a stable political situation? I think the second question comes. So everyone is afraid, especially for their own people, everyone is afraid of the opposition, who says that they are afraid of the Ede, and that they are afraid of the opposition, because they are afraid of the opposition. But in the Scandinavian countries, they are a bit stable, and in the Netherlands, it's also a very solid and very coherent situation. So the Soviet Union, in its own way, can be a bit too much, so that's a lot of work. I think so too. And let's also be the solidarity of Europe with Ukraine, in the last four and a half years, was a mistake and a material. And that's a classic European pattern. It says that you are good at dealing with the world,

35:17you say that you are solid, with the same interests, and in the end you are a partner. Yes, but that's also true. And that's a very good idea. And we also have to be against it, and we also have to, as a political priority, stay and think, but there is more to it. And more is Europe not being able to do this. I think that the freedom of law is a stable, first I think, than a few months ago. In fact, not strong enough. And in the heart of the whole world, the entire state of the state, it's really a very stellar comment. Well, a bit of a time, does that light up the light in the sky? Well, direct post, sorry, I'm sorry, it's a bit more, that's what happened in Poland, but in Poland it's also a very stable. Of course, there is a lot of polarization, big conflicts, and the hard conservative parties in the opposition, also use it in the conflict to build out the historical conflicts

36:20and become richer there, in other words, the opposition, the peace party. But Poland is on the face of the main issue, which is the aggressor who has to defend a stable party. So that's, that can be a role-playing issue, but it's not about Poland, how Poland is in need of the Netherlands. It's about Germany, it's about France, it's about the country, and maybe it's about Italy. And there is the death in the pot. And then it's about how life can be seen again, after a few years of the war. That's still far away. You see how today's day is. We have a sound from the TV, we can introduce ourselves, or maybe we can talk to the audience. The Danube This is, you have taken from your room in the building?

37:20Yes, from my apartment. From the entrance, I often see it in our basement, because what is also changed in the abandoned houses is that you have very little time to have a room in the building. And after a few times, it happens that you hear the first channel and the air is still running out of air. Because, because the restaurant is overestimated on other types of, on other types of cases. And other weapons also used. And mobile radio installations. So that all comes together. And so it's been, this is very often, in August, it's about three or four days, that you hear this. And in the past week, it's also a day to play. And that really impacts your life, pure, out of the sort of fear. But the Russians still do more economically. So it still has more consequences for how their life is going. You have a regular story, and that was difficult for me.

38:20What I was doing was to start from the point of view, to be able to share, to be able to carry out festivals, that still follow up, and have a dream, that's what it's about. Well, that's still there. But there are short stories. For the first time in a long time, you notice that there are not many things left that you're the supermarket in, and that there's no green and fruit. Because, yeah, because that's in a warehouse, a warehouse, and that's after-bombed night. After-bombed week is a factory of Coca-Cola. Now it's not even a factory. The McDonalds. The McDonalds. That's from today, so I've made it known, that McDonalds have to adapt to their menu now, and then, after that, there are many things to be done, they have to be the most McDonalds, their doors, the whole day. Well, I'm coming, but the McDonalds in Ukraine, wants to be a lot better. That's what I wanted to talk about. That's also to make it up to you,

39:21that's to be said, that's not a franchise, but a lot of other podcasts. No, actually not. Why is that big Mac there? What do you mean? Well, they have a very strong production chain, a market-based offer, with all the local products and strong quality controllers. And it's also seen more as a kind of national container than in the Netherlands. You have a different experience. No, I'm the same one. The McDonalds have a key with names, of course, more than no. They are places where you can be trusted, where everything is always online, so that you can connect with the environment as needed. That's right. That's all you have to do. And a precise atmosphere. And I'm also the most most honest McDonalds of Ukraine. They are in Poltava now, because most of them are all McDonalds' faces. So it's also for soldiers, and for people who live in the Eastern Ukraine, it's the kind of symbol of the normal life that can go through.

40:23The first of the year is the McDonalds' Michael Live, and that was one huge journey. That was a national news. That it has been back in place again. Yes, that's a life that can be seen in the coming months. Another one, the summer was all day long. You can see that it has now been a place for a day. We will get those cold months to be able to see the energy. But I don't understand, in any case, the Dutch government is also there, because it's a macabre tradition. It's already happened. You're better prepared for things, decentralize, the city is going to go out. Is that all happening? Yes, everyone has to do it. Everyone needs to be aware of the winter. And that's going to happen. So friends tell us that they are driving all hotels in the west of Ukraine, so they can take the house to the west. People have a big power bank. I have a eco-float house. It's a house-battery. People are looking for a apartment.

41:23It's better to have a regular energy. We can see that. You can't get out of this. If they are in the past, they have been very bad experiences. But yeah, really prepared. That's not going to happen. We know that a lot of people are going to be in the dark. And we're probably in the cold. That's also the proof of the news. To put the cold in the cold. How do you say that? The strategy. Let's make the big word a little bit of me. But this is not a normal feeling. If you read the book, this is a real feeling. It's a very different feeling. We have a lot of other things in the world. We have seen how it is in the cold. A sign of the weight. It's called the one-the-gold tomorrow. The cold that is meant to be. And it's considered a similar feeling. With that word. With other myths of Russia, or the Soviet regime.

42:24The Hongers note. The Hongers note in the 1930s. Is that a word that is generally good? Or is it really a bit of a coincidence? Because you use it as a key or something. It's used in a very simple way. But not very broad. You're right. But we have to talk about it now. I would use it as a tool. But I'm not a Korean. It's not a coincidence. It's an opposite feeling. We can say that it feels like this. It's the feeling of being a person. And that's what it is. It's a feeling of being a person to be happy. That's what it is. And how do you buy it? You have to ask Russian. They still have some Dutch people in the UK. There are still people who are in a couple of countries. They really want freedom. Freedom of the Russian air force. How do they buy it? As they say, Russian channels are still in Ukraine.

43:24Yes, that's a good thing. Well, these Russian channels are so subtly. Now you seeSOUND cars suffered. They simply wanted to mask to all полез to another playhades This video is about possibility to find something to discuss With NATES continuously 80% That is what Ukraine wants. The Russians cannot imagine that the Ukrainians want a democracy. They want to stand behind their own government, even if their government is corrupt. Even if there are problems, that Ukrainians are pro-European and want to take it back. Let me talk about the institutional corruption and the power of the expectations of the Ukrainian democracy.

44:28It can be clearly visible that there are two security services with a few steps ahead. The Soviet Union is always here in the Urynsäboa, then it's called Russia and not on a few. But still, what happens is, how does the situation looks like? And where does it go? Yes, that's a bit complicated. The SBO, the security services, the secret services and the OER. And the OER is the military security services. They were the same with the same operation. And that was a challenge to overcome a commandant of the Russian-Russian-Russian-Russian corps. Well, in this operation something has been wrong, something has not been done well in the communication. Where they are going to shoot each other. But what is behind it is that these two services are rivalizing. They have a mandate that deals overlapped, but they are sometimes a little bit of the same thing. And that is possible, if you take back a step back, also play with it.

45:29Is that there may be other needs, other power playings are played between these services, maybe also economic needs. You are going to speculate a little bit, but this is what you hear a little bit in Ukraine. And that is also going to be done with what is speculated. Because the rivalization between their secret services is everywhere. Yes, also in the Netherlands there is a rivalization between the IVD and the MIVD. Yes, so that is not particularly important. But if the economic need for other political needs goes to the left, then the communists are still in another role. Exactly. Well, this is a specific incident. It is going to be a traditional rivalry, which is just a bad, bad communication. Many of them are different operations. But the bigger area is in the country that there is also a lot of important plays in the past. Which gets, which port with money, which gets access to which weapons. And that is unfortunately not possible. And this is also a part of the party, or the MPT, which has one more tourney to the Prime Minister.

46:30Yes, the Netherlands is, over all the communities, presented itself as a kind of, yes, a hearse that all groups manage. That the control tries to keep up with the political factions, the military groups, also the secret services that are based on the kind of garbage with poppies. Because they also see their personal policy. If they think it's not going well, no one will function, then they will keep up with the many conflicts. Then they will find out. And we have also seen that in the Minister of Defense, Federerov. But yes, they are chief staff. The follow-up of the corrupt chief staff who had been here for years, but this is a new chief staff. Yes, there is one of those secret services. But from the military in the United States. So that also can play a role in this case, or is it after the quarantine of the chief staff of the presidential election? Now it really becomes a presidential decision. That is difficult to say, what is right behind the light. Yes, that has to be examined. There are also research lists, not yet completely out.

47:32But they have been asking questions for weeks about the integrity of the Boedanov. Because they are now called into corruption. So yes, it plays with it, it plays with it. It is a question that Ukraine has. Who is not corrupt? Can you actually say that? Because still, if a new chief comes, if a new minister of defense comes, then the rapid question arises. Is that also affected by corruption? And that also? And it leads to protests. How do the people who are going to fight against it, are going to fight against it? That's right. I was surprised that one minister of defense will be able to do something. I am the only one in this case who has the statement. So it can be all possible, but what was the central crime of the win? The lady I spoke to in the video, she tells the only minister who really does something.

48:33She really has a lot of success in books that are stolen by the law. And that is the Fedorov. That is the old Fedorov. Yes. And Fedorov is a very special figure. He has been a young, big star in the past 35 years. And does the President of the Road believe it? A lot of the President of the Road, but he comes from the tech sector and the marketing sector. So he has helped Zelensky in 2019 to win the elections, through companies on social media to organize. And Fedorov is all the time in the team of Zelensky. He has been a very special figure. He is a real trust of the President. But since Fedorov is the Minister of Defense since the last month, he still has a conflict with the government of Ukraine. And that has finally led to his dissolution. And why did this happen to many people? Because the government of the government, the law enforcement, has already announced that the fifth time was due to the invasion. But why was it the other? Because people say that he works well.

49:34As the woman said, now he is a half-year old. He has a clear idea of how many Ukrainians were behind it. Not only citizens, but also military. And the core of the idea is to invest as much in technology and drones to save people. Ukrainians see every day that his country is being used to starve. And that's what he wants. Everyone wants that to stop. But you have a solution. You have to make a decision. So how do you do that? So many possibilities on technology and the Russians are actually going to be a trend with drones. And as that happens, the Spaniards also save their own soldiers. That's a little bit of philosophy of Fedorov. It's going to be a good idea. What also happens is his push for digitalization. He was the first of the last years of digital transformation. He has a certain element that he wants to take. He wants to take the Minister of Defense. For example, digitalization processes.

50:36And so that all of that is very transparent. And he said that he was in his first six months. As a minister, hundreds of millions of euros have saved. Purely, just to see what is given to the money. He was taken to the artillery, and drones. And that was not good. He was very happy about Zelenski. He was not on the same page. He was looking for transparency, defense rules, open cards, and so on. Yes, here you have not only to make Zelenski. A kind of manager is of all kinds of cooperation. You also have to do it with the law. So Opok has Syrski. He is a conflictmaker. Syrski is a man of more youth. in the Soviet schools and also on the way they thought. One of the demonstrators who said, yes, Syroski, wants to make a big Soviet law with a small Soviet law. And that's not working. So Fedorov thinks differently. But what also plays out is that there are weapons of the country, of course. And the bad, hard-knocked country is that those weapons of the country

51:39didn't stay with the digitalization and anti-corruption of Fedorov. And that Zelenski finally made the balance. Okay, you don't have the legal laws, you have the weapons of the country. And that actually had to be gone. And that was Fedorov. He actually worked too well. He was an adviser to the Italian government. Yes. So he's from the state. Yes, he's from the state. And he played his hand. Because the protests were a month ago. And then Fedorov went out with a movie, which was in the press for the elections. And that was the most demonstrators who actually stopped the alarm, because he was a man who has been in Zelenski for seven years. And he has always been a lot of resistance. And now, the moment he has been out of town, he says, yes, maybe we need resistance. Maybe I'll do it with you. That's why you're undertones. And that's the demonstrators. But that's also a secret, a Putin and Trump, and the U.K. Exactly. Exactly. Yes, exactly.

52:39He's saying that Fedorov also has a bit of a bit of a discussion of the musk, but that's true. And he already, a man of the parliament. Yes, but he has already invested in his new started. Yes. So Fedorov is now in tune to get money, and his contact with the demonstrators, and that's what he does with the parliament. But also with Elon Musk, he can find this very well. That's very successful, especially the opening of the Stalin's constitution for the Russian soldiers this year. That's really led to the win to the war. But you wouldn't want the musk to be the president of the Kizraad. No, but yes, the other side is Ukraine, he has the need. So you see now that Zelensky has this month, with you, you've been released from Elon Musk, because yes, we're so grateful that you help our country, to keep all the men on board, because Ukraine is not ready to look for masks. They want now that the U.K. Stalin can use Russian ground-to-beats to launch such a drone on the country,

53:41from Russian-Palestinian missiles. Well, they have the help of Elon Musk, so they will keep it as long as they can. Yes, he has the musk and other tech-brows from the West, who are still a bit different. Ukraine can't afford to promote the luxury, to choose their own friends. No, that's also coming through a weak institution, because I'm also going to be a regular at the moment, where the analysis is about 35 years of independence, and then try to protect your institutions, to protect democracy, to protect the U.K. That's maybe it, and maybe you have to take more time, but I can still not succeed in Ukraine. Well, I don't think I've said anything about it, but it's not yet succeeded. But the state that Ukraine has set up, because of the state that Russia has set up, has been running for 35 years, is a lot bigger. And that comes to simply say, a civil society, there is a bourgeois community with a social center, and that's life. The political power is also connected with the demonstrations

54:44when the anti-corruption is being held, and the government is connected to the law of the Minister of Finance. So that comes from society. That comes from society itself, that comes from under. And that's not quite the way the democratic rules are, because how many people are being protected. But there is a dynamic, dynamic civil society. In Russia, it's not that. So you could say that the Russian corruption is monopolistic. You have to have one of the same base, which is actually in the Kremlin. Well, the Ukrainian corruption, you could call it a plural form. There are different bases that you have to address. You have to say that you have to call it a plural form. Yes, I think that's a plural form of corruption. I think that I have more to come to develop to a normal civil society, than the monopolistic corrupt state. And that is a need to be understood in Russia and Ukraine, which has been developing for 35 years, has been developing for 12 years, has been developing for 12 years, and the problem is that we in the Netherlands, as a result of the dissimilar problem,

55:45we are in the Netherlands, we are trying to make a moral order of corruption. So the scoundrel, and that doesn't have to be possible, but how do people in Ukraine want to be treated by the European Union? Because that's a serious problem. To wait for a while. Yes, sure. But two things were the first. But that's a real burden. The Netherlands may be less corrupt, because we pay our corruption differently. So let's say that when Shell, or the head of the Netherlands, was very much on the street, but where the oligewon was, I'm not going to be involved. But the most important thing is that the oil is in the outside, a situation where corruption can be changed. It's long-lived, but in the book of Geertmach, over Roseveld, in the 1930s, there was a picture of corruption where you really made a statement. The new deal was to be in the corrupt. In the picture, I think that was a real social plan. The corruption went through, when the oil industry had to be changed.

56:46And it's also, especially, a lot of money was being paid, because the state is divided, stimulate corruption. So there are two sides, the only side is that, in my opinion, the situation in the second, that in the country, in Ukraine, still has a Soviet government, or in the corrupt government, that it's being dated for years, and that in the country, there are a lot of oligewon in Ukraine, and the citizens in Ukraine, no need to be involved in that. And in Ukraine, you always have the street. As the people see, that there is not much good street, and with name I have, over the young, high-level leaders of civil society, they don't have to go to the street, and they say, that's not enough here. And that's very often, very easy. Zelenski has now, for example, his leading leader, Syroski, who is now the leader of those protests. And a young, new, well, corrupt, well, is known. Yes, sure. The campaign has already been implemented. And that's right. So now you have a former minister of defense, that's a prime minister with a strong background,

57:48someone who has been seen as an oil cell, and you have a young leader as an open leader. And together they have to live as a higher-level leader, actually a little bit next to the concept of Fedorov. That's right. The elections, they come, but then in Russia, parliament elections. Is it true? It's true. Two weeks. Yes, yes. Yes, maybe you, Tim, you don't want to be a president because there is no part in you. You have helped me. Yes, no part. Not the part that is part of the government. No, that's not the end. Yes, it's the end. It's actually a very very visible positive signal. It sounds like a paradox, but that's what I'm talking about. The government is a part of the government in 1991, through economic growth, unfortunately, when it was in Javrinsky. The government means it's over the apple, but the year in Javrinsky is the first toilet of Javrinsky. The other name of the government is I forgot. And the party has been running for 12 years,

58:49and it's been a very ambiguous, very miscalculating, very stupid, very visible behavior until this campaign. Javrinsky has been making a complaint about the campaign. In the end, there are dangerous elections in the end of the year. But this party is a part of the government, and it also comes from the public. Until now, it was always very simple with the parliament elections and the president elections. And the local government has been looking for a solution to a few challenges. Most of the people are at 75% of the votes for the one-hats candidate at 75%. That's about the president's elections. The parliament elections are going to be a bit subtly, but it's the same pattern. Javrinsky always does it because he doesn't have to pay 15% for this small amount of votes and he has a drop of 5%. Now, in one, he's been paid for the elections after the first election was registered. So it started to become a significant contribution. So, the people in the parliament

59:49are kind of the people who are afraid of this, called Kirjenko. The man who has always been known as a liberal. There are kind of people in the parliament who are afraid of this, maybe they are already aware of this.