#2220 Who Is Responsible For Our Health? - Kate Save

0:00I'll get a team of harps and cates. What a bloody duo, what a combination, what a pair. Fuck hell, how lucky are you? He says, um, Lee, hi, Kate. Hi, Craig. Are you all right? I'm good. What's going on over there at Planet Save? Ah, I did get a little bit bothered the other day to the point where I actually had to pull over and I'm for long about it because I saw you would have heard the ads you would have seen the billboard, um, the Mac is run and I just, I'm so angry that it has been approved because to actually go on a billboard, you need approval, right? Run ads to run radio ads, you need approval. Why is the word run allowed to be associated with Mac Donalds? I'm actually perplexed that it got at approval.

1:01Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. OK, so. So, you tell me, no, B city is it 20? Yeah, I know, but 7% or overway. I do. But I don't think they're using it in that context. It's like you can do a print run. You know, you can, like, run as a word that's used, I get it. And when you think about it in, but they're not correlating it to health or fitness like because there's a well-used term and that is we're doing a Mac as run, like people say, we're going out, do you want anything? We're doing a Mac as run. I don't think that was actually coined by Mac Donalds, but I see when you see it. No, that when you see it. Yeah, wait until you see it on the freeway, right? You can't see part of it. You see Mac is in the word run, right? That's what you see when you, when it's part of it is hidden. And I just thought young kids, so I've got two girls that are almost ones a teenager, the other ones not. But subliminally, it is what we see.

2:03And it just surprised me that running the Mac Donalds was okay. And even if you look at the positioning of it, obviously I'm not a graphic designer, I'm, you know, expert marketing person. But it is done in a way to me. Very clever. It's got this, looks like almost fun run the way it's written. There's something about it that I get it, but it's, I feel like it was misleading. And off the back of that, right? I got served an ad from a, Australia's sort of biggest home delivered meals company with hands holding the biggest burger I've ever seen. And it's like replicating this as a Maca's burger, saying you can eat this now too on your diet. And I'm just like, what is going on that junk food wants to look healthy? And we're going to put run on the billboard and health foods going eat this big fast burger

3:06with almost 70 grams of carbs in it. It's like 600 and something calories. And this is light. It's really confusing and no wonder the average punter is consumed. He confused. I keep, you know, yeah. Okay, I do not disagree with you, but I'm going to say, I think you are attributing too much integrity and morality to companies. Companies are all sociopaths in that their sole purpose is to make money. The majority like, they don't give a fuck about you or your health. Of course not. Their mandate is to make money is to keep shareholders happy. It's not to create ethically acceptable, you know, billboards or billboards that Kate is okay with. Now I'm, I'm with you, right? I hate junk food. I'm blah, blah, blah, blah. But do I expect I don't think the responsibility of my health and wellness and whether or

4:14not I consume that or that or that or that? That's not McDonald's responsibility. Like the marketers and the branders and the people who build the billboards, their entire role is to just sell shit. Absolutely. Like I think one, I get you, it's annoying and there's maybe this tenuous relationship between the word running and the biggest fast food brand in the world. I get that. But also kind of, this sounds, I don't bet so what? Like that's just what they do. It's like people sell booze, people sell like everybody's selling everything. I mean, jump online, there's so much shit being sold. Their responsibility, like did they do anything illegal? That's a different question. But when you start to talk about ethics and morality and it's like it's a slippery slope because it is. Is it smoking is banned, right?

5:16And so it's a spistos. We alcohols are, you know, class one, carcinogen. But now, so overweight, obesity and obviously lifestyle related conditions have overtaken the number one cause of death above cigarette smoking. They're worse for you than cigarette smoking. So where does that responsibility sit? Is I think what's playing in my head is that when it is cigarettes and alcohol and a spist are, like we ban it, kids can't have it. When it's food that has, it is actually worse for you now than cigarette smoking. You'll die or more people are dying from it. What does that responsibility sit? Well, it definitely doesn't sit with the people who sell it. It sits with it. It like they don't give a fuck. They just want to, like you've got to be realistic and practical. You know, every guy or girl on the internet who's selling coaching or 10 week programs,

6:22every one of them is going to change their life and they're the best coach and it's the best program. And it like this is the, this is what people do. You're trying to sell yourself, right? But what if that is looking to death? Like what is this is now the number one killer? Yeah, but so are cars. So a motorbike. So is fucking bungee jumping. It's like, but to answer your question, it's the government's responsibility, right? Now, if McDonald's were doing something illegal, I'm with you. Do I like the billboard? No. I think like you, it's kind of shit. Yes. But doesn't matter what we think, what matters is what's legal. What matters is, you know, until it's illegal, whatever we're talking about, then people are going to, like companies don't operate on morality or ethics. It is Australia, but you know, the country is Chilean Brazil.

7:22I know, but this is, but this is where, yeah, but this is where we are now. Like where we are is 2026, you know, September three today, these are the things that are okay. So I'm with you. Like if it was up to me, which it is not, but there would so many, there'd be so many things that weren't available or possible because I under, like we even go back to cigarettes, right? We absolutely know 100% that they have killed millions of people and that this drug, nicotine and all the other drugs in the cigarettes, cause people to die. Now that's not a hypothesis or a thought or an idea. How the fuck can any 18-year-old just walk up to 7-Eleven and buy them? Like why is that legal? To me, that's a bigger question. But nonetheless, it is legal.

8:23Now if I created a product that was 1% as deadly as cigarettes right now, it would never get approval, right? Yeah. If I created a product right now. It's a process food because we are above smoking for rates of death now. Yeah, but that is very hard to establish and correlate directly because there are so many variables when you go, okay, he eats junk food. Also he doesn't sleep. Also he doesn't drink any water. Also he's slumped over a desk playing fucking games all day. Also he walks less than a thousand steps a day. Also he's stressed. Also he's isolated. It's very hard to say that this alone is the cause when there are a multitude of factors. Like I don't know how they established that. I'm with you though. I think. No, I hear. Yeah. Like we think what are all the things that make people sick? So yeah, I mean food is a lot easier. And why have we climbed in Australia?

9:25Why have we got companies like Chile and Brazil that are putting black hazard symbols on food that will harm your health? And they can't advertise to children yet in Australia. They're like, have a tie to our kids, sell it to our kids. Don't tell anyone it's bad. Just assume that they know. Yeah. But also you think about this. We and by the way everyone, I am about as political as a fucking pair of moccasins. Oh, me too. I said, this is on no level political commentary. So when I look at politicians, I don't think politically. I think from a human behavior point of view. I think from a psychology and a sociology point of view, I look at, you know, the prime minister old mate and I can't even say it because it would sound, it would sound not nice. And I don't want to be that person. But I look at him and I'm like, how the fuck are you the leader of the country? I go, and I'm not, I don't, I'm not a politician's fucking shoelace.

10:31But yeah. So we have people in positions of power who are in some cases, the ultimate decision makers or influences about things that they really do not understand one. Maybe they do or maybe two they don't care about. Here's the thing. If you think a politician's primary concern is the welfare of the people he or she serves and not him or herself, you don't understand human beings. Now does that mean no politicians care about nobody? No, it doesn't. But I've been, you know, face to face with people in the real world like at the cove face for four decades plus people don't want to say this, but most people's priority is themselves. Is there health? Is there career? Is there bank balance? Is there there? I love that you put their health second because I'm not sure that that second for everyone,

11:34it should be. Well, but I mean, that's the way you think. But also when people get sick, all they fucking care about is being healthy. True. Yeah. Yeah. You know, until they get sick. Correct. Oh, and that's a whole other conversation. How many people were talking about human behavior? How many people, you know, I have to be careful sometimes because I can be too pragmatic and direct, right? That's why you have so many listeners go for it. Look, look, I piss off as many people as I and dear, I'm sure. But here's the reality. I could like, he's just a practical example of that. So I've got a hundred people in a room. I'm doing a talk and I say, all right, everyone, don't overthink this, but be brave and honest. How many of you would like to change your body in some way significantly, perhaps stronger or better posture or lower blood pressure or more energy or better health, whatever that

12:35means, or a more effective immune system or lose a few kilos of fat or gain a few kilos of muscle, change your body composition. Like some of that, all of that or a version of that. If there's a hundred people and I just say, I'm not asking you to commit to anything, but who would like that? Usually it's a hundred hands in the air. Then the next question that I don't ask or I could is how many of you will now go away because you've told us what you would like. You've told us what you would like to look or feel or function like. You've told us that you want to change your body in some way. Now the bigger question is, how many of you will go and do the work to create the change that you say you want? And this is why I am. It is people like, it's an education issue. It's not a fucking education issue. It's a, this is pretty hard and I don't like hard issue. You think people at eat junk food don't know that junk food is bad?

13:38Of course they do. Oh, look, I do have a story. I think the end of my diabetes had had it for decades. His doctor said, you know, diabetes is not good. Try and lose some weight, walk a bit more. So it was softly, softly. He then got his toes chopped off. His foot chopped off and I below the knee and putation. I will offer you, as well, I think the two of you could be great podcasts together. He's very outspoken now because nobody told him it would take his leg from him. Nobody said to him that if you don't do this, this is what's going to happen. So he went through the next probably six to nine months after that. Absolutely raving furious at the healthcare system to the point where he was, you know, saying to nurses and doctors, why didn't anyone tell me? So there is this disconnect with that.

14:39It won't happen to me. But there's also around diabetes and pre-dibities and insulin resistance and high blood pressure, high cholesterol. We go just take a little medication, lose a little bit more weight and try and stay active. We don't actually tell them what that looks like if they don't. And you don't want to scare people, but he genuinely did not know that was going to take his leg and he would do anything to have his leg back. And that's the true reality of it that our government is not putting our health first. Prevention is 5% of the total sick care budget. We don't even have healthcare. We have sick care. And then you've got people not really being told the dangers of this and what that means for them. Yeah. All right. I feel like I'm very adversarial today. Go ahead, go ahead. I love it. No, no, no, no, no. One, I totally understand that, guys, mindset.

15:39However, say, Major, you just see, you know? Yeah, yeah. Well, got all the toes. Got a good life ahead, you know? Very unexpected. But why does he think that somebody else's job to educate him? Like, why is it not his job? I mean, everybody's got Google. Everybody's got AI. You realize you've got diabetes, jump online and go, what are some of the potential outcomes of diabetes? Is he waiting for an educator to knock on his door? I don't think, you know, when the guy who eats or drinks or lifestyles himself into diabetes, and I'm not making a judgment, right? Like, I've been obese. When I was obese, it was nobody's fault but mine. Because I got myself fat. Was a man, wasn't dad, wasn't genetics, wasn't society, wasn't the government, wasn't the availability of vegetables. It was all me. At some stage, we have to go. I did this to myself. Who gave you the wake up call, though?

16:41Because some people don't have you. I gave myself the wake up. I gave myself the wake up call because I went, I fucking hate the experience of being a morbidly obese teenager. And I, nobody knocked on my door and went, hey, mate, this is how you get in shape. Now, I'm not saying that I'm special. I'm not. I'm so the opposite is special. And while I agree with you, there needs to be more education, but I don't think the reason, I don't think the overarching reason that so many people are in such terrible shape in so many components of their reality is because they don't know. I don't think the alcoholic whose life is going off the rails and who's got bloody liver disease coming in at three o'clock. And but I don't think it's that he or she doesn't know that excessive drinking is bad. They're well aware. You know, it's like it's just that once you're an addict or once you're on that journey. And again, full respect, I work with people who are addicted.

17:43But I think it's, I think it's stunningly inadequate to just go, it's an education problem. I think it's a personal behavior problem. I think it's a personal choice problem. Also, there are other factors. Like if you end up in a state where let's say you've got reasonably good genetics, but by the time you're 40 or 50 and you are in horrible physical condition without pointing fingers and without blaming or without judging, but there's probably a fair chance that you had something to do with that with your choice as lifestyle diet behavior, exercise or lack thereof. I feel like we're very much in this blame mindset. We want to be mad at the government because I got diabetes. Well, bro, firstly, the government doesn't give a fuck about you or your blood sugar. Secondly, you are the boss of your life. You are the boss of your body. As long as you were trying to find a reason,

18:45any reason, but you, I think you're kind of outsourcing responsibility for your own outcomes. If I do great, it's my fault. If I do shit, it's my fault. If I'm fat, it's my fault. This is how I think. If I'm in shape, it's my fault. Interesting thought here. So you were obese as a teenager. So you got to a weight where you went, I am clearly obese and this is unacceptable. I'm thinking of this person that did sport their whole life, finish sport in their 20s, went to uni in their 30s, got their full-time job in their 40s, went into management, got off the tools, had a little bit more stress. And every single year, they ate the equivalent of one piece of toast extra a day, right? Yeah. We are then talking about two kilos a year of weight game. We have now hit 20 years.

19:46We're now 40 kilos overweight. But last year it was 38, 36, you know, cam backwards. So when did that true kilo increment creep up and become a problem? And that's where I think we are, where we've got 67% of adults who are overweight and obese, that weight didn't, they didn't just wake up obese. There's been this slow weight game. And at no point in time, yet, because otherwise they would be changing or would try to change. And I'm not saying people aren't trying to change. But maybe they haven't had that wake up call because it's happened over two or three decades. That's a beautiful point. And that's a very good context to put it in. And I think what you've described happens, of course it happens. And about your friend, by the way, I'm not trying to disparage your friend who had the amputations.

20:46And I do think, like I said before, I'll come back to what you just said. But I just think at some stage, with all the things that happen in our life and to us and around us, we can't always outsource blame. That's not used to word blame. Let's use responsibility. You know, I've had businesses that failed, businesses that worked. I've done speaking gigs where I fucking blew the roof off and I was a bit amazing and others where I was complete dog shit. But both times it was about me. Right. Nobody made me good or bad. Nobody made me eat anything. I think that our life is always giving us data. Our body's always giving us data. You know, if we go, well, over the last 20 years, I've gone 40 kilos. Well, there was a time where you'd gain six and you knew you'd gain six. And I'm sure you didn't want the six. And then next year, I'm sure you didn't want the eight. And then next year, like the signs were there.

21:47But there would have been those little exceptional things, right? There would have been, I just got married. We went on a honeymoon, two kilos, two kilos, Craig. Come on. I went on my honeymoon and they gained two kilos. Don't blame me. Next year, I felt pregnant. Some pregnant for a year. Right. Maybe I've been pregnant two or three times. I've gained two kilos. Every pregnancy, this is not an issue. But that is on top of the honeymoon weight. And that is on top of finishing sport because I had knee injuries from netball. And now I'm not doing sport anymore. So now I'm at 12 kilos. Is that okay? Because I'm trying to lose the body weight. But I have had three kids. Now it's two years more. So I've got two more kilos, two more kilos. Now I'm at that eight-end sort of kilo mark. When do someone help me see that this might be a problem? All right. That is very well put also. Okay. So let me, before anyone's, somebody's already pissed at me. That's cool. Let me explain.

22:48When I talk about weight, I don't give a rat's ass what people weigh. I care about their health. But we know that there is a correlation between body fat, body weight and health. Right. That's not a guess. That's not a stab in the dark. It's not some untested hypothesis. This is what we know. There are a lot of obesity-related issues, challenges, and diseases. So that's a fact. So when I say I want someone to be leaner, it's not because I don't think they look good or it's not because I think, oh, fuck that, numbers two. It's because I want them to be healthy. And the gateway to health for many people is among other things, habit change, behavior change. But it's also weight loss, right? I think- Sorry, have you had this customer that says to you though? So I had this one. I'm 172 kilos. I'm 29 years old. None of my joints hurt. My doctor said my blood pressure is perfect. My cholesterol is perfect.

23:49I don't have diabetes. Is this a problem? Yes. So I would say, well, well done, you. You've got amazing genetics and congratulations on being that apparently healthy with those particular markers that you indicated. But I'm 29. Yes. I would say I have never worked with anyone who's 172 kilograms, who's 40 years old or 50 years old, who's even in the wild bullpark of being healthy. That is an adjudgment. That is my experience and observation. So when I talk to people, I talk to them as a scientist. I talk to them as an exercise scientist. I talk to them as a researcher. And I talk to them as somebody who understands the relationship between nutrition, exercise, movement, sleep,

24:49weight gain, body composition, change, right. Also, I talk to them as a human being who was fat and hated being fat. I understand the emotion in the psychology and the sociology around it. And I want to give them a big fucking hug. And I want to, but I can say I understand. I empathize. I care about you. Let's hug it out. Here's a cuddle, whatever the fuck I can do all of that, but you're still going to die 20 years earlier than you would have if you don't change your physiology. Now, age, age is a factor with weight. So, you know, we're talking about weight and weight gain, but that as you age, that weight becomes more and more dangerous. There's, isn't that the point in time like that? A amount of weight that came on in your 20s and your 30s didn't have any, maybe, you know, health effects that you could measure from a symptom point of view.

25:51But if that weight is still creeping on in your 50s and 60s, this is when that underlying insulin resistance, inflammation, all of these things start to mask or turn into symptoms. 100%. And I think, so we would talk about education before. Well, you as someone who's got a master's in nutrition and a master's in exercise physiology and is a dietician and is a business owner and is at the call face of health and wellness and, you know, you're in this space. It is your job, I think, and it is my job as someone who has a platform and a bit of knowledge to it. You know, this, for me, this episode is about education. So I would say to the 29 year old who has no apparent symptoms yet, I would say that is great and I could be wrong,

26:52but I don't think that will continue for you. I do not think when you're 39 or maybe 34 in five years, I could be wrong and I will happily stand corrected. I think it's unlikely that your skeleton, your joints, ligaments, tendons, heart, lungs, spine, discs. Can you maybe survive? Sure. Do you want to survive or do you want to thrive? Do you want to go, oh, look, I'm not dying and I'm this big or do you want to be without mentioning a size or a shape or a weight? Would you like to be closer towards the optimal end of the health scale for you? We're talking about you not compared to Kate or Craig or anyone else, but for you. Like not many people want to fail, not many people want to be unhealthy, not many, you know, but and so it's like, yes, you are, you're going okay and I would call that a blessing,

27:55not an outcome of intelligent behavior. I would call that a blessing or luck or amazing genetics or whatever it is. And he did end up losing the weight and he was so much happier, he got engaged and it was his first relationship. So it did all work out for him. Did he have to have heaps of surgery for skin? I think he was going to, I didn't see the final result but his first goal was to get under 120 and he managed to get under that. And the comment that I remember and this is an interesting one for you to pull apart because you've got the knowledge here is he said, I didn't know who I was because I wasn't the funny fat guy. Right. Yeah, well, so I said this this morning on a podcast or maybe it was yesterday, but we were talking about, yeah, it was last night. We're talking about, you know, identity and so when I was the fat 14-year-old

28:57who couldn't run fast jump high or get great outcomes academically or I probably could have but I didn't do any fucking work. So anyway, I, my go to was to be the somewhat amusing slightly cheeky, slightly funny, story teller, fat kid. And that became, you know, jumbo, my name, jumbo's funny. Jumbo's tell story mate, teller joke mate. I was, you know, I wasn't the funniest but that was my, that was about the only kind of golf club I had in my bag. It's like the only one I could hit, right? So you become, you become the version that works socially and emotionally. So when you get external validation because Kate, you're super smart, you're very articulate, you've got multiple masters degrees, you're this, you're just this success story and everyone loves you and thinks you're amazing

29:58and meet my friend Kate, she's this and that and all of a sudden you get approval and recognition and acceptance and a form of love because of how clever you are or because of your great results. Well, that becomes addictive, of course. Of course, or maybe you're gorgeous, guy or girl, maybe you're gorgeous and you've got an approval, recognition, validation, acceptance, all of these things for the last 20 years because you're just this, this, this, this, this, you know, that everyone goes, oh my God, how gorgeous is she? How gorgeous is he? Of course. Well, then all of a sudden you hit 45 and you ain't what you were and what you were was basically this physical representation of excellence or beauty. Now, you're a 70% version of what you once were. Now you're like, who the fuck am I? I'm not getting all this attention. I'm not as beautiful as I was. I'm not as lean as I was. I'm not as in demand as I was.

31:00This is where, you know, it's trying to understand who we are behind, who we think we are. Like we're think, like when you, when you get recognition, acceptance, approval, love for whatever it is being the big fat, funny guy and your friend's place, or example, then that becomes your identity. And when now you're not big and fat anymore, you're like, well, who the fuck am I? And can I still be funny if I don't look that way? And is it the same with a skinny guy telling those jokes? Or yeah, so the, I mean, that's very much an air-cart told episode or conversation, but it's like. Yeah. And for me, who very much identified with his body, because that was, you know, I went from out of shape to in shape and unpopular to more popular and unaccepted, too quite accepted and unnoticed, too quite noticed and coming last to coming close to first and all of those things.

32:01And you're like, well, all of this magic happened because of my body. I'm done then. I was going to say, even as an example, because I use such an extreme, if we use that first sort of example, so I've got this mum now who's 45. She's, you know, five foot something like a pretty average height and she's 75 kilos, right? 75 kilos, but she was 55 kilos on a wedding day. So that 20 kilos makes her feel very uncomfortable. But only because she's hit 45, has she gone to the doctor, they have her blood tests and whatever else her checkup and he said, you have high blood pressure. When does someone, like, where is that wake up call? It's only a, you're not, it's very hard for someone to say to a woman at 45 who's a normal weight because normal is 67% of the population, right?

33:06How do we help people from a health point of view, not weight, health? And this is where I want to flip it into body composition. How do we have that conversation about being stronger, building muscle and being healthier without upsetting people because this is not a failure on their behalf because their body fat percent has gone up. This is more about as you've aged, as you've had your kids, as you've transitioned to your job and your parry menopause and everything else, your body composition is changed. So how do we help people understand body composition and use that as a gateway or a tool to help people actually get healthier because we know body composition is directly related to health whereas weight, it depends what that weight is. Yeah, yeah. Okay, that's really interesting. So good questions as always. So let me think about the 78 kilo,

34:07five foot four, 45 year old lady. So there's two scenarios. Scenario one, she goes to the doctor, he measures her blood pressure and goes, all right, well, there's a problem and the problem is your blood pressure is high. I'm gonna put you on a medication that will lower it, biblity, bubbity, boo. Take it once a day, your blood pressure will come down, you're welcome, see Donna reception, that'll be $64, see you in June. Right, that's number one. Number two is they go to a different doctor who goes, oh wow, your blood pressure is high. I wonder why that is because it wasn't two years ago when we chatted, but also you've put on 10 kilograms and you are carrying quite a bit of weight for your height. And while yes, we can treat the symptoms right now, which we will, we'll put you on a medication, we'll put you on a bit of avapro 150, just a lower or a bit of aspirin or whatever it is, whatever the strategy is. But also, let's deal with the cause.

35:08Let's talk about the problem cause the high BP is the symptom. Let's talk about what's causing, that is the problem, that is creating this symptom. The symptom is what we see, the cause is the underlying thing that perhaps we don't recognize or can't see sometimes. So that's, but also the model, the paradigm, and again, I love doctors, I've got friends who are medical doctors, and the way that people treat and prescribe and think varies across the spectrum. I had a guy on the other two nights ago, Dr. Matt Klein, something, who's a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, and he's a world leader in metabolic psychiatry. Just talking to him is like, oh, fuck, this is firstly, I'm a dummy, secondly, this is fascinating. And so we're starting to think about not just managing the symptoms of psychosis

36:08and associated conditions, but rather treating the underlying problems. Right, what's my long-winded point? My long-winded point is, we don't need a PhD to understand that being 20 kilos heavier than I was five years ago is probably not great for me. So there is a component of collaboration like working with a Kate Save, who's got all this knowledge, all this physiological, biological, clinical, nutrition, blah, blah, blah, blah, where you can say, hey, Craig, I think based on where you're at, this is a good strategy for you, are you okay with that, will you collaborate? And then you give me the information, the direction, and the tools, and then I walk away, and I don't do what you've said. And this is my man with the amputation, blood pressure medication at 45, high blood sugar levels, 61 amputation. This is what I mean about the wake-up call.

37:10When does someone actually say, we need to do this now, because there was none of that. It was a two kilos a year over decades. And that's the part that I think, as a society, we need to be aware of, and we can't solve for it, but we need to talk about it, because not talking about it, is how this happened to this man without him knowing, because the doctor put him on the blood pressure medication, then he went on his metformin, and then he went on his jolly way, he was taking his medication, he kept taking it, kept gaining two kilos a year, and you know, these things are happening, so they're saying insulin resistance, happens maybe 10 to 20 years before you get type 2 diabetes. So this was happening maybe in his mid 20s or something, but nobody is testing for this. And I think helping educate people that you should know what you're fasting blood glucose is,

38:10and you should know what you're fasting in shlinies, that will give you a home or index, which is your marker of how well your metabolism is using, and the working and how you are using fuel, how you are burning fat and burning carbohydrate. If that is not working well, you have a fuel partitioning issue, you have a metabolic flexibility issue, that you can resolve 100% with exercise, and a little bit of change to your diet. But that script doesn't exist. With that blood pressure medication did not come, any education around, actually, this has been going on for 10 to 20 years before, that blood pressure got high, and we didn't even tell you that was happening, because we didn't do the blood test, because you can't ask for a blood test unless you're sick. If you go to most doctors and say, I want my home or index, I'm not for insulin resistance, tell me if I don't have high blood sugar levels,

39:13but might have this thing that leads to high blood sugar levels, that is invisible. It's, you know? Yes. As you're talking, I'm thinking, you know, it would be amazing. It's almost like in Western countries anyway, the most needed, but probably the program that would sell the worst, the most needed, but the least in demand, you and I could run, imagine hypothetically, like I've never said this, Kate and I have never spoken about this, I've never said this out loud, but imagine if you and I, and one or two other professionals, we ran a week, one week program, five days, and the program is called How Your Body Works. And the sole purpose of that week is to teach people the fundamentals about whatever it is, blood sugar, blood pressure, hypertension, hypotension, you know,

40:14how food is synthesized in your body, what's metabolism, blah, blah, blah, blah, just so, but stuff that's underste... So all of a sudden, I'll people know, because sometimes you and I talk about stuff, and everyone should know this, then they don't even know what that term is, which is very understandable, right? I do the same thing when I'm listening to different conversations. Yeah, put me in a fireman's room and kill me with all your ratios. Yeah, 100%. Or I talk to Melissa about tech, and I'm like, I don't get it, you choose, right? Yeah. But imagine if every person had a recently basic understanding of what the different variables are, around sleep, around exercise, around movement, around posture, around sitting versus standing, around self-regulation, around reading food labels, around understanding, you know, glycemic index or process carbs versus not, or...

41:16And then where people can start to make informed, really quite informed decisions, where we'd never have anyone again who didn't know the potential consequences of diabetes, or the preventative things that we can do to delay the onset of cognitive decline, or the supplements like creatine that I heard you speak about on the radio, that some people are using and seems to have really valid research around it, that people can take some supplements that actually move the needle on things like cognitive function, focus attention, memory, and more broadly brain health over the long term, right? But, you know, like I've got mates who they could tell you inside out, have their car works. Like every, they could pull it apart and rebuild it and everything, everything, gearbox motor, running gear, you know, they like everything.

42:19See, that's how little I know, because I can't even expand on that. That's how much we've got. Like, if you put it on. Right. But it doesn't impact my health, if I know how to pull them out. Right? I just think something like that would sell no tickets, but fuck it would be a good program. I just love jumping out of my skin that we have done a full circle that we are back to education matters because this is the crux of it. We are back to education matters that people actually don't know, Craig, they don't know and they don't even know what test to ask for. I go and do talks about health and they say, can you work with me one on one? I don't have time to work with everyone one on one, but they don't, they just want to go, well, what do I ask my doctor for? What do I ask for? They don't know what to ask for and their doctor doesn't offer it up and that is not the doctor's fault. Our healthcare system is not funding preventative health. So the doctor is not allowed to write the test

43:21for the things unless you're sick. Yes, yes, yeah, it's, well, that's not bitch or complain, but it's like all of the systems, you know, the medical system, the education system, the government, you know, they're like we live in the middle of all of these different systems and protocols and rules and laws and regulations, understandably, that's how a society works, but not everything that we're subjected to or need to comply with is necessarily optimal for us, right? Yeah. Now, before we go. And the very last thing, you are back to this full circle again that healthy is the most important thing and that because the government's aren't talking about it and the mac is run and they're eating big burgers and whatever, we are back to it that health actually matters because without our health, we have nothing. You take someone's health away, there is nothing else left, there is no money, no job, no career, nothing,

44:22our health is everything, yet it is not a priority from the government and as you said, they're not going to do anything that's not for us so we need to take on that accountability and responsibility, not just Craig and I, but we, with everyone who's listening and Craig, I guess we've got the knowledge and so many of the people that we know in our circles to actually help people with preventative health so they know what to ask for. Yeah. Oh, if the government said to me, which is not going to happen tomorrow, we're going to give you a hundred grand to take away 100 people for a week. We're going to pay you Craig zero, but we're going to finance it for the hunt. I would, my hand would be straight up. I'm very good. That's 100 lives. We would save and that $100,000 is less than what they pay for renal dialysis for someone who's got diabetes that has ended up in kidney failure per year.

45:25Now, before we go, I want you to tell everybody how fucking amazing my in-body scan was yesterday. I'm so excited. I came turned up to my first lead, tell them what happened. I will admit I was a little bit braggie, McBraggster, which I know is not humble and I know it's not cool, but I was very happy with the results that I got. What did you do? What did you use? Just explain to people. Okay, so I got an in-body machine, which is biorelectric limb pedants, so it literally just sends little electrical frequencies through your body and then those frequencies actually go into your cells and then measure what your cells are made of. They can then tell us from that reading, whether that is lean mass or bone mass or fat mass. So then from that, we have Craig's body composition. So we can see how much of Craig is muscle,

46:26how much is body fat and how much is estimated bone mass. And it's not just what is fat and what is muscle leads where that is. So I think the thing that is really impressive is he's every single bit of his body, so we analyze five parts right out and left arm, trunk right leg, left leg. He's muscle on each of those parts of his body is completely balanced and his fat is completely balanced. But what is fantastic for Craig? Who Craig, I'm sure you've told people your age, but you think in 60s? 62, 62. His body fat percentage is unbelievable. 10.2% body fat. That is absolutely extraordinary for your age. Now that wouldn't be extraordinary if you didn't have muscle. That would actually be shameful because you would die quickly if you fell over because you'd fracture your hip and let a chance of death after that is high.

47:27But your muscle mass, you're actually overmuscled. Your significantly overmuscled. You've got over 40 kilos of muscle to your very small amount of body fat of eight kilos. So whatever you are doing is creating the healthiest version of you with the lowest inflammation, the lowest amount of abdominal fat. And the other thing that Craig asked me is, oh, so he got a score. So out of 100, Craig scored 92, which I'm very disappointed to say, for my behalf, he beat me. And I'm much older than Craig. So that is disappointing on my, that's motivating for me to do a training workout with your Craig and you can push me. The other thing that's really interesting that this does is what we call phase angle. Now phase angle is you can talk about it, how things go in and out of cells, but basically it gives your marker

48:28of your overall health. Craig's phase angle is the equivalent of about a 34 to 35 year old. So you've got something to brag about. You're doing a good job. Whatever you're telling people to do actually work. So well done, Craig. And now the government can give you the money to train 100 people, save 100 lives. Also, thank you, Kate. That made me feel happy. This are all fat of three. On a scale of one to 59 under nine is healthy. Sorry, Craig has abdominal fat. So around the organ of nearly the lowest level you could possibly have. You're welcome, world. You're welcome. It does my life suck, yes, but fuck on lean. Do I hate every day? Yes. But look at that visceral fat. It's going to be funny. You walk every day. You do your 10,000 steps and you do. You won't training and you're not obsessed. Like you're walking.

49:29You're not out there running 20 Ks trying to do maricons. You're just getting your steps up. So what you're asking people to do is reasonable. But the payoff is extraordinary if you're consistent. 100%. Well, last night I trained with my training partner, the Crab, OK, Mark Lampard. And we did, all we did was lat pulls, fund the mental. Six or seven exercises, the last or six or seven sets, the last three sets were horrible and hard and made me want to spew. Then we did seated row about the same. So two exercises, 14 sets. And the last three sets of each movement were to the point where if you said Craig, here's $100, do three more, I couldn't do it, right? So my actual training, we were at the gym for an hour. We spoke for 45 minutes. The actual work time, where I was actually lifting something,

50:29was maybe, you know, I did 14 sets a minute or said 14 minutes, right? It's definitely not over the top. So yeah, you need a good program. It needs to be done the right way. It kind of needs to be the right program for your body and needs all of that. Yes. But what matters is that once you have that sorted, which is really just, you know, knowledge and planning and structure and process, but it just matters that you get there most days of your life and whether or not maybe it's at the pool, maybe it's at the running track, maybe it's the climbing wall, maybe it's the beach, it doesn't have to be the gym. But whatever it is that you do as an intervention to lower your metabolic age or to improve your strength or power or function or immune system or just be consistent. The number one. I get muscle mass is related to brain volume. So the beginning muscles, the higher brain volume. Yeah, 100%. And we know that, you know, we spoke about creatine before, but yeah, just strength training is also a mechanism

51:32for improved cognitive function, other than having more muscle mass. And yeah, so that was fun. But you know what it was more than anything? Because I haven't had that done for a long time. So I was a bit scared because I'm like, shit, what if my results are bad? And I'm doing 100 instead of six. Yeah, she's 112. Yeah, but just thinking, oh, good, it's working. So I spoke to, I was talking, am I going to tell anyway, friend of mine, her name is Maria. She is one of the best power lifters in the world for her age. I mean, like, second, I'm not even joking. She's 61. Oh, wow. She is literally stronger than me in most things. I mean, she's a world champion, right? Yeah. So she's going away next week to compete. And we'll talk about the various lifts.

52:33I said, what's your goal for deadlift? So her target for deadlift next week is 230 kilograms, which is four pounds under 500 pounds. My goodness. 230 kilograms. Now, I don't know what she weighs, but it's not heaps. I mean, she's solid and strong, but maybe she weighs 70. I'm not sure. But it's like, oh, my God, I'm not suggesting anyone should do that. I'm just suggesting what's fucking amazing is when you actually you just give your body what it needs rather than what people might suggest is appropriate for your age, right? If you listen to some people, they're going to have you sitting in a circle with other old people kicking a fucking balloon around the room and getting older by the minute. Whereas I'm like, well, let's get those 80 year olds and let's be really intelligent and strategic

53:34and let's actually build muscle. Can you do that at 80? 100%. Can you build strength and function and coordination and balance and confidence and cognitive capacity at 80? Yes, you can. Is that what's done in most retirement homes or whatever? No, not most, right? And again, this is not a slight. This is just this is more observation. This is more awareness. I want to build a program. I would if the government would give me all the money they could, I would take zero pay and I would work tirelessly to build a program that can be run around Australia with different fitness professionals where we're actually making old people strong. Strong. Like, so it's not life's end or the least. That's the hardest part. So they say, like, let's say we're living to 82. Apparently our health ends at about 63 was in our last number.

54:36I saw. So in the past, we would have died around 63, 64, but now we take polypharmacy, which is lots of medication. So you can stay alive with no quality and we just prolong your death on medication with loss of function every year. That is not living longer. Yeah, we should do something about that. See, this is to me this is, I forget, I don't forget, I'm on a podcast, but I get excited about shifts and I'm like, we should flesh out this concept. Maybe we could do it. Maybe not. But imagine being able to create something where there's no agenda. People go, you know, but, oh, what about that? No, I'm not getting paid. So fuck your agenda. I don't want anything. I don't want anything now or in the future from that. I just want to do that because that would be so good for so many people. And then if we could start to change the thinking around what old people should be doing or could be doing.

55:42And yes, we want to care. I mean, my mum is 86 and she's in care, right? Could, and for 86 turning 87 in December, she's quite amazing. She's had cancer twice and she's got one lung. And she walks fine, talks fine. There's a little bit of cognitive decline, but she's kind of amazing. She's kind and she's quite atypical, you know? And the last year, of course, has been very taxing on her. But almost even in the last three weeks, since Dad's funeral, and so she's obviously sad and grieving and all of the things, but she's now, she doesn't have to care for Dad the way that she did and now she's getting sleep. And now she's getting a level of social interaction that she didn't. And now there are people making meals for her three times a day, not the other way around that now she doesn't have to clean the fucking bathroom.

56:43And now, right now, all of a sudden, I'm seeing my mum come back to life a little bit, right? It happens to my dad, my dad's age. It's like somebody's just come and war to de plant that has been screaming for some kind of freedom. And it's the sun. I agree. Yeah. That ability to put themselves first and look after their health. My dad walks twice a day every day and does strength training exercises at home. I asked him to show me what he did, and I was terrified because he does walking forwards, walking backwards, all these things that I'm like a balanced challenging, but I'm like, oh, can you balance well enough to do these things? And he can. And he's so determined on doing them every single day of his life. He would never ever miss his two walks. Even if there was a tornado out there, you couldn't stop him from walking because he knows he watches YouTube

57:44and he's like, I've seen it. I don't want to end up like that. I'm going to keep doing this. But it's only since mum died that dad has this newfound energy because I don't know why. I don't know why, but he does. Yeah, it's amazing. One quick story then will jam unless you've got another quick story. But I used to, I tried this lady for about 18 years when I was a trainer. Like when she started with me, she was morbidly obese. She got in grade shape. She went from, you know, cake for breakfast to, anyway, all the things, she got strong, she got fit, she got functional, she did the first run as in like fun run type thing she'd ever done in her life at about 55, she ran a half marathon with me. So 21.1 K, she didn't stop. Another half marathon with me. And then when she was about 60, I took her to the park.

58:45We used to leave, we'd train in the gym most days, but we'd leave the gym one or two days a week and we'd just go outside and do shit. So at about 60, I taught her to kick a footy. So here's this lovely gorgeous Jewish lady. Doesn't matter that she's Jewish, she just is 60 years old. And she's like, this is stupid. What am I doing this for? I go, oh my God, so many reasons. And I taught her how to kick a footy both feet. So left and right hand. Wow. Handball, left and right hand. And where we were at this park near my gym, there was a child's playground. And around the playground was those, you know, those round pole timber, it's called treated pine timber. Yep. The whole park was boarded in these round logs. It's like a fence. When she started, she couldn't walk one length, which is about two meters. By the time we finished, she could walk around the entire perimeter

59:47of the playground without falling off. So we started working in her 60s on hand eye coordination, dexterity, balance, fine motor skills, gross motor skills, all of these things that, that, you know, that we don't do when we're old, you know, that's saying, don't throw the ball in the house. So then they don't go outside, so they don't throw the ball. There is no ball in the wall. No, much better than that. Much better than that. We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing. Oh, right. Yeah, right. Right. It's like, oh, you know who should bounce a ball, throw a basketball, maybe do a little bit of skipping, maybe do a relay with some friends, maybe kick a footy, maybe throw a frisbee, fucking everyone. That's who. That sounds fun. That's true. Imagine being your training with a trainer, and now you're using balls,

1:00:49and you're using frisbees, and you're throwing tennis balls, you're throwing, you're catching, you're bouncing a ball from right hand to left off the ground, left hand to right off the ground. Like your body's waking up. Your body's waking up. That's no longer exercise, and you no longer hate it. You're just having fun and time passes. I think you would all get a take over the world. We're going to hijack the government with this fitness program. You probably can't say that. I'll probably have a knock at the door tomorrow. I tell people about your business, about what you do, how they can connect with you, and so on. Yeah, dietitian exercise physiologist, diabetes educator, I founded, B Fit Food, a ready-made home-delivered meals company that uses everything I know about food and nutrition to put it into small, convenient, high protein, low carb, high vegetable content. Meals with meat, of course. Yeah, all of the good stuff,

1:01:49man of the sugar, low sodium. Bfitfood.com.au. Now, this is not bullshit. This is not an ad, everyone. I was just at IGA, which is 40 metres from my home. And I went over to get a few things, and while I was there, I saw Bfit Food in the fridge. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I might get one of these for dinner. And I'm not gonna lie. Of course, I know that's your brand. But for about 10 seconds, I forgot, oh, this is Kate's brand. And I bought chicken, at some kind of barbecue smoked chicken, and mash-spud, and something else. And it's fucking huge. And it was like 12 bucks. I'm like, yeah, this is me, this is dinner. I'm actually, I'm hand-on-heart, eating Bfit Food tonight for dinner. So I'll give you a report. Amazing. Thank you, Craig. You're welcome.

1:02:50And cheap. I'm like, really cheap and good. And I looked at the nutritional label and not surprisingly, outstanding. No bullshit. Thank you. All right, everyone. Hope you enjoy that. Kate and I are off to re-invent the wheel, and we'll talk next time. Thanks, you Kate. Pleasure. Thanks for having me.