
#23 Brady Holmer - What really matters when it comes to sleep, caffeine, ketones, lactate training
About this episode
Check out our links below!
We welcomed back our first-ever returning guest, Brady Holmer, for a wide-ranging conversation on performance, recovery, and the details that actually move the needle.
We cover everything from Diet Coke and caffeine’s role in performance to what truly matters for sleep and recovery—including optimal sleep routines, practical sleep hygiene tips, and simple adjustments athletes can make right away. Brady breaks down key recovery and readiness metrics like HRV, respiratory rate, and resting heart rate, and how to interpret them in real training contexts.
We also dive into lactate clearance, training adaptations, and supplement strategies, including when (and when not) to use ketones, sodium bicarbonate, and Nomio. Throughout the episode, we focus on science-backed, practical approaches to optimizing endurance performance without overcomplicating the process.
If you’re interested in training smarter, recovering better, and understanding the “why” behind the data, this one’s for you.
Follow us:
Get every episode summarized
Each time Out and Back publishes, we email you a written briefing from the transcript — the topics, who appeared, and any specific claims, with the ad reads skipped.
Email me new episodesFree for 3 shows. No card needed.
Hosts & guests
No transcript yet
This episode has not been transcribed. Request it and it moves to the front of the queue.
More episodes
More from Out and Back

#53 - Jess McClain Is Thinking Bigger: Boston, World Champs & NYC
Out and Back

#52 - Mailbag Episode: Yomif's World Record, World Ultimate Wild Cards, and List...
Out and Back

#51 - Between Reps: NYC Fields, Edmonton Half, European Champs, Race Schedule Up...
Out and Back

#50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Train...
Out and Back