238: Sweating Through Geneva Watch Days, Natural Born Watch Hoarders, And A Blue Chanel

0:00Good evening, Sam. Welcome to this week's a blog to watch weekly live. I realize I'm sitting in the semi dark. So on the count of three Scotland's going to have sunshine. One, two, three. Well, there's a sunshine in the fake sunny go. Oh my God. That's all you're getting. They're expecting so much about Scotland. Look at the beautiful weather outside. It's raining in various directions. It doesn't matter. Why are the people so trusting and loving of others? Why what have we done? Just curious. Aren't we? I don't know for. I thought we were deeply sufficient in hostility and in hospitality. So a lack of hospitality or lack of suspicion and huge amounts of hospitality. So welcoming. Are you being ironic because you've just spent a weekend to even met some Scottish people? Potentially when you used to do that by Scottish people like Geneva. No,

1:00no, I do not make plans with Scottish people. I know about that. Well, that was there. So there we go. How you boys Geneva? Jens of an area feels like you've got some stories. David, I'm I'm I sweated in a lot of good and bad ways. Right. Okay. Tell us some good ways and then tell us some bad ways. Spent a lot of energy, a lot of enthusiasm. Okay. Not a lot of time. I was not looking at the bad ways. The bad ways. The enthusiasm reciprocated. You were enthusiastic. Overloads and then if it was like that. I just don't feel that the other people were hot and sweating. I think they were just hot and kind of like lacked energy. Right. You know, I didn't hide in the corner. I was like, I'm going to go out there and I'm going to sweat through this. What we call low energy weirdos in this moment. What were you experiencing? I don't know. It's like it's very warm in Geneva. It nobody adapts. They'll dress the exact same

2:00way of so it's like 30 degrees cooler out and then they can't understand why they can't get through the day wearing a three piece suit. Right. So does this mean that you were wearing shorts? Undoubtedly. I brought four pairs of pants. I wore one once for two hours. Two hours like two hours sweaty. It was like three hours. And then you know I had to wear pants. All right. Okay. I see David was are you letting the side down in the attire? Were you were you were you letting him go into the first? Cause of what? He was not difficult to spot in Geneva. You know. That's what it that way. It was like, Oh my god. Where is he? It's like because I'm pretty sure you were tracked on CCTV at all times. It's just for fun. You can't even train AI systems on this. It's like, there's no no no Mary. Here's a problem. As someone who spends very little time worrying about what other people think about what I wear. It's commented on so much in Switzerland. No one says the thing

3:00about how I dress in Los Angeles. And Switzerland constant commentary. And I'm like, I'm not dressing for you. I wasn't anticipating you responding. Why you're paying such close attention? Is that just because everybody that cute has already commented in the video. It's like, you go right everybody in Geneva. No one is expecting more time. It's an odd thing to be. It's one of the things about this industry. I can't quite understand. Like, we're all supposed to be individualistic. And there's a word independence and originality thrown around like more often than anything else. If you come as an individual and are and personify those traits. It makes them very uncomfortable. Because it's all lies are it's all of lies. But it is it's like the individual be different be independent as long as it is 37 to 39 millimeters with the screw down crown at least 100 meters of water resistance. So, you know, this is like yeah, the individual in it is long as you're wearing a three-piece

4:00suit and sweating. I'm profusely throughout the day. Absolutely. I'm yeah. And then I have some Americans who go to me or non Swiss and be like, I wish I thought of dressing like that. I was like, I was just doing it. Just do it. I like you never even thought about it. You never thought you were put on your three-piece suit and 40 degree heat thought. You know what? I really like to wear shorts. I'm not going to name who it was. But there was an American hiding under an umbrella. And he's like, I wish I was wearing a hat like that. I was just I was wearing like I don't really really have a commentary. And I'm just like, just wear the hat man with a hat. I'm not really going to wear that. It's not. It wasn't a weird hat at all. It wasn't a weird hat. No. It's not. We're not really going to be fishing on Leijaniva. But it's absolutely perfect. Was I flopping up with corks in the end of it? There was no. I was hoping for hooks in it.

5:00Okay. Yeah. We also have the floats. It was a little floating hat. That's true. No, it does. It floats. Well, the hat actually will not sink. How use for also attached to your head and you are sinking. Like is it a flotation device? It's not going to hold your nose. The idea is like it falls off your head off of a boat and you can retrieve it from the surface of the water. Right, so you'd like tell the crew ships and do it. You turn and go back and get it. Yeah. You would just go back and you have no- You've never been in a windy boat and been like, oh my god, I'm gonna lose my hat. That's what I have chin straps for. It has that too. So it's like double-protection, like a huge skate valve for your heart. Something you don't really need because it's got something else. So it was the perfect weather and context for that hat. Yeah, it was just shamelessly. My god, I'm a dude on Goddard's like, so the question is, if I wear the appropriate sport watch in the right situation, will it also be a shame not? Do I have to wear? I don't know, a texida watch with every sporting event.

6:00Objectively, there are bean-tahs. The weather might have been perfect for the hat, but was the setting everything else about the event? Perfect for that. Thank you for saying that, really. Exactly. That's a good question. I don't know because I am blind to those things. I believe people see it. I am completely blind to these things. There is no wrong setting for functional clothing in my humble opinion. So you could be right. Could be the wrong setting. I don't want to be in your continent that disagrees with you on that. And you have to do that on that constantly. I don't understand their reasoning or logic. I don't disagree with them. That's fair. Just don't get it. I just don't understand. I love the fact that we've managed to spend six minutes and it's the longest six minutes that I was ever spoken about anything other than watches on the show without complaining that we're not speaking about watches. It's just clothing. But that's wrong with you guys. Hey, it's a lot of different tools. And there's no end in my opinion. Can we get you new rank types of hats? Is this like the top hat type?

7:01Like, this is function. This is like, like, Marijuana, there's a gateweed drug. This is a gateweed drug to add a finally rank. Is this like the most functional hat? I'm not a hat person. This is the first time I think I've ever worn them like, okay, I'll wear this. So the hat means a lot to me. Is the hat within arms reach? Is the hat get for the shoe? Oh, I don't just like keep it next to me in an office. Okay. What do you mean? You don't want to support that? But I've got a second one recently that no one's seen yet. So I can debut as slightly different style and color of the same brand. We managed to get Ardell on list and unboxings. It would be a hat shot. Who would it be a wrist shot hat shot? You could get Ardell to follow. I'm saying it's always choice and clothing. As someone who's not spending that much time thinking about their clothing is commented on constantly. I should. The thing is, if I put more effort into dressing, I know nobody would say anything.

8:04I would you keep me? I would become instantly, I would blend in and there would be, I would not be recognizable. Well, like a good cop, you know, copy and paste, the watch production, just you keep on meeting the absolute zero effort at all. And we love you for it. David, favorite thing for Geneva watch days. Leaving nothing. Absolutely. Okay. Tell us about your website. I was absolutely getting out of there. I don't know why they have this event there. Honestly, I know that there's a bunch of like watch manufacturers and stuff, but there were 70 one brands there. Clearly not all 71 of them have anything to do with Geneva. And they choose these like four or five hotels on locations which are basically the surrounding bestions of a developing country at best, which is downtown Geneva. It's probably the worst place in all of Switzerland. That Switzerland has to offer to have anything to do with not even luxury, but just hosting people in any way shape or form. We are shooting. I mean, I'm forward for Glasgow.

9:04I think Glasgow, we told him that you're not going to go, you got plenty of hotels, plenty of indoors. And I'll need a hat. You won't, well, you won't need a hat. You need a umbrella. It's going to rain. Your hat floats so there's no danger. It's water resistant too. I thought of all of this hat. Was it coming your shoulders? Does it like the watch stays? It runs Glasgow watch days. It's clearly it's great. GWD just the same. Sorry, there we go. They can reuse the same web URL. Don't need to change. Don't need to change the merch. And we'll have that just in the morning. So many people around Geneva watch days, merch is through. Who's an army of enthusiasts of the event in Geneva? Ripway, do you feel the need to go to Geneva watch days after it being so well-sold to you by David and Mario? No, I mean, there's some interesting brands that I would like to see in some people, but we spend enough time over there. And this just seems hotter.

10:07And it was actually nice and rainy in LA kind of recently. So for a change, I wasn't sweating. I was considering if it was too rainy to take my dog out and not if it was going to burn his pause. So I enjoyed I enjoyed the weather here. I didn't need a hat. Just yet. Yeah, I think that's a good start. I think honestly, I've summarized my issues with my gripes with this event. I'm just not sure why it keeps happening. And I also understood I mean, we could hear more. It's shortfalls or shortcomings or compromises in 2020 when the first iteration launched in the midst of COVID and the pandemic. And these brands were trying to do something at a time. And Bosnavard was falling apart after all of its funds had been misappropriated. And what she said wonders was basically just shutting itself down for obvious reasons during the pandemic. So yeah, I get it. But you know, seven years down the road when there's 71 brands, it's basically a self-funded trip to a terrible place where you can have between 20 to 30 minutes and a lot of

11:12luck work just to see these brands. And I think it's it should be beneath any industry to host an event like this that is organized because it has outgrown itself. And I just find it sort of disrespectful to think that, you know, all these people will come here and travel here and do all this like work into all of these hotels that were clearly never, ever designed conceived or redesigned or refurbished or set up to host all these people and all these brands and all these things. You know, it's just totally not for that. And so yeah, I think it's a I'm done with January, watch days for one. observation and maybe David agrees. I don't know, but Geneva Watch Days is almost narcissistically set up for the exhibitors. Like it's not at all thought out for any type of guest. It's like, hey exhibitors, you can show off stuff and invite people beyond that. They're not really thinking. Big story. So like they get to the and then the funniest thing is Geneva Watch Days is not an organization

12:12you can see. It doesn't really have a building. I mean, yes, there's those tents, but nothing really goes on there. So it's a show that's like a social construction. Yet people pay like fees to attend, like apparently higher and higher fees each year. Now, as David said, they don't use those fees to do things like make the city better or invite anyone. And so the begs the question, if you're just getting your own hotel room and you're inviting your own guests and there isn't even an exhibition hall, why are you paying Geneva Watch Days? Right? Like even the meetings and stuff like that and all the press stuff has to go through external agencies. And it's not never centrally organized. Yeah, exactly. You have to do it like totally random, basically. So like other than them all showing at the same time of year, I don't know. I don't know. So these organizations in Switzerland and there's a lot of them. And I don't want to go into this, but there's like these parasitic organizations that like say they're there to support the watch industry, but end up doing nothing.

13:12And I love the FHH, but I think they were one of them for a while until they were no longer able to be. They just got money from the brands just because and the selling point was, it goes, all the brands are doing it. You want to be the only one not doing it? It's like how they get people to watch as they wonder. It's the police to be. And it's like peer pressure. To the two of us. A central Manhattan or Queen's accent, whether that was. In my mind, it's a few of us. Yeah. It's an Italian. It's a boss. It is that like kind of like completely high pressure tactic, which I'm trying to like channel that vibe. What? And that's that's what a lot of it is. And so as a guest, we're like, what? Now, the real reason that the show goes on the way it does is to attract buyers. They want to make it so that people who buy watches can easily come and see them. So people like media were way secondary on the list. People set up because they hope like, ah, we'll have a hotel room and then money will come to us.

14:13That's like the extent of their thinking. So what was your favorite? We were asked to step to the side so the customers could sit down. No, that didn't happen. What did happen, though, is that there's this hotel where there's five floors, full of brands. And the fifth floor, you can only reach with a microscopic elevator that's full of like airborne diseases at all times. No ventilation. Two, maybe two, but you know, one of them is out of commission or sucks somewhere or whatever. And so I reverse engineered a way through a staircase that was unlabeled. And you were not. Because the stairs only go up to the fourth floor. And then from the fourth to the fifth, you have to use this elevator at all times. As I found the staircase, I go in there. I go out from the fourth to the fifth, of course, for the thousands time. And there's this someone, a hotel staff coming because there's a door that's locked. So you're not allowed out of this staircase unless you have like a key card or something.

15:17And so she goes and she literally yells at the two of us that we are not allowed to use this staircase, which is clearly for like the hotel staff or something back from like 140 years ago, because it was undecorated and run and all this stuff. And so we get yelled at, which I didn't take too well to be honest. I just invited her for another presentation of her point. And I also said, you know, I'm not taking the freaking elevator at any more times. And so, you know, it's just like it's stuff that you have to put up with where there's no reason. How is this a place for an exhibition for the seventh time for the seventh consecutive year? Now it's not about the elevator. It's just the perfect example to how it is all week, all the everywhere you go. And it always strikes me that there will tell us despite the fact that they have rented it, all this space, the brands really don't want anybody actually there. They just like the brand to rent the room and then no one to attend. We don't want to get more drink through that hotel coming it off the street.

16:19Looking all sweaty and wearing shorts and waterproof hats and going up to our rooms. So yeah, talk to a person, watch his then. Something that impressed you, David. I didn't bet through always. It's amazing. That's where I feel like it's proper high end watchmaking, not just because of the price, but because of the effort that people put into all the work that goes into those watches is where you feel like it's not a CNC that sped it out last week, but so much work has gone into this unbelievable. So that is a very humbling moment when I hold one of those watches. Of course, it happens with other watches as well, but that's just my favorite example of them. So that was a lot of fun to see one of those. Even though Shopear is actually not properly parked on the watch days of all things, because they are renovating a boutique and they have another space and in another space. They have a few Shopear watches to show and a few fair and fair twos. And they couldn't be bothered to be part of Shopear watch days and I applaud them for that. Have a guess which brand got a 6 out of 6 for entries versus conversion rate for GPHG?

17:27Maybe. No, Shopear. Shopear, really? 6 entries, 6 through the crowd. Have a guess who entered four watches and got none of them through to the long list? Who burnt their money? What was that? What was that? Oh, yes. Big brave and really? Yep. An interest so that you put six in but only got one through. Why are you allowed to nominate some of your own watches? What a scamming thing. Well, because every time you do, you got money. It's like what, 800 Swiss francs to, to, to, to, to, to, like, enter, right? But then if you get selected to be a finalist, so all of these who've moved on, it's seven grand, uh, 7,000 Swiss francs. So maybe they, it's part of it. Who can you pay? So part stable ground, they will be able to pay a grand per watch. Breitmont, how many, uh, how many terranovas did you sell this week? Yeah, maybe it was, maybe it was a kind,

18:29mostly not letting them through. So they didn't need to be seven times six, look, the GPHG is both corrupt and a high school popularity contests. So you're basically paying good money to be evaluated by fake peers. Yeah. I WC entered six watches and only got one through, which I thought was rather interesting for a big brand, but I WC It's low. It appears to get out of some issues at the moment from, from what I hear. But Rick, in this, this fair and, or this, this, this, this, this, this, whatever it is, it's not a metric of any brands, any merits, you know, let's just be very clear about that. It just, you can analyze this till the cows come home, but it's just not going to make any difference to how the watch is actually perform and all the rest of it, you know. I offer you this question, would you rather go back and spend the same time at Geneva Watchtaste all over again, or spend an evening in the auditorium at GPHG? You've got to go to the auditorium anytime. Yeah. So I'd be at GPHG. I would be at the, I would be at Geneva Watchtaste for a double the time.

19:32So you go to the Geneva Watchtaste for twice as long. David, you just take the, I like it. I find it very interesting to go. I get a huge amount done. I learn a lot of things. I meet with a lot of people. It's a very fulfilling experience for me. But yeah, I agree with David. It'd be, it'd be so much better if that city was like hospital, you know, just before I was like in Vegas, which is like night and day more welcoming, right? And then we go to Dubai, which is like, again, a much more customer, customer friendly. You go to Geneva. And I guess even if you have good hosts, the entire time is like an apology. I'm sorry, this is too small. I'm sorry, it's too warm. I'm sorry, it's uncomfortable here. That's exactly why it's all that is. That's precise. Even if you happen to have good hosts, it's one giant. Oh, AC is illegal. Oh, you know, this is what I'm sorry, the restaurant is too cramped. Oh, no, no, it's not about us complaining for the heck of it. It's about how can this be a place where

20:34in the industry of such magnitude, which is the luxury watching industry host an event for seven years in a row and said, I think this is a great idea. We will exactly for the narcissist degree since the already mentioned. We'll give it a go at the eight-time and see what the morons to come. When the first thing in the back, Pusar says to you, when you walk into hotel, you'll never see a poll. It's just for the ear. Give this like, yeah, yeah, that's the question. Max was not anywhere near the room. I was like, I was going to spray with that hose in the MBS. Okay. I think it was dripping down my legs. It was so hot there. Max, that would have been sick. So, I'm Boris, it's in the chat. Are you gentlemen familiar with a game show called It's a Knockout? No. No, it's a very British thing. So, but is it boxing related? Well, it's a, I don't really know how to describe it. What you need to do if you're listening in the chat, go and Google the phrase, it'll be something like, it's a Royal, it's a knockout.

21:35It's from the 19, maybe the late 80s. It was a game show that was famously hosted by someone that turned out, I think, to be a pedophile. But I ended up in prison. Many moons later, you know, they were all your childhood heroes, they still get arrested. But there was a version they did with the Royal family, which was both hysterical and surreal. The suggestion is that attending to New York State is like a Swiss version of It's a Knockout. I can see the similarities because I'm familiar with the reference. I think all of you, a list I need to go get familiar with the reference to It's a Knockout. It's definitely a show. Sans pedophile should be returned to British television. So, there we go. Speaking of the live version, I saw that. We're going back and forth between channels we're doing this, we're still trying to figure out YouTube live. Yeah, we can't seem to get the chat to work in YouTube live on the main channel. When I did it, it was fine. When I was in the chat, I was working. Absolutely. Oh, well, there you go. You must have different settings for me.

22:38Oh, I know. Between you, the external chat. Oh, I understand. All right. That's right. It's working now too. I was working there instead of a different channel. I know this channel. No, it was working. I promise you. It was all smooth, Rick. All smooth. But we can broadcast it both places at once. You can broadcast it as many YouTube chat. If you want to send your YouTube channel link into us, we can link it. We can just broadcast if we are always fine. I mean, I don't mean the random one. I mean, both of the channels that we're talking about. Send us your, no, I think you broadcast some random channels. We're working possibly going on with the chat. Okay. Let's listen to Hong Kong. Thank you for appearing in the chat. Right. We should maybe talk about some watches. I don't think you've nominated what you're favorite watch interaction was. Watch interaction? Yeah. Well, okay. I'm trying to get you to name your favorite thing. I just need to use different words to do it. You stay well. Not going there. I enjoy the new, I guess it's the upstairs area in balcony of the Gerai Perigo store.

23:41Nice view. So it's on. It's on. Yeah, it's on the corner. Is that still in the corner? It's near the corner. No, it's. No, it's. It's a different store now. Right. Okay. I love. Lovely view of the lake. Apparently, it's a knockout UK was you. Why do also know this? This is probably. Shaza. Anyway, there you go. You can go. Good. It's in the chat. If you choose to watch this nonsense, you can go and have a look at it right. When the basis that Ariel is not going to select the watch, the actual lights, I will select one from. I just don't know what to actually officially part of the thing. Okay. Like so many of the watches we saw were like in bargode. So we can't really talk about them. Change is to more of that. Why go to a press event with a bargode watch? Is it because that's a favorite thing to do? They have nothing. They get they get no more excited them. And they could just show us something that we're not allowed to talk about until later.

24:43That is the Swiss's absolute favorite thing to do on Earth. They enjoy nothing more. Which was what's happened if all the press just agreed. What? What? What do you tell us about a thing we're reporting about it? We have no. There's no legal. Nobody's saying anything to say. I'm not talking about this. I'm just going to talk about it. It tends to be what happens over Earth. I enjoyed going to see the Dexel Informax factory. That was not part of Geneva Watch days. But that was incredible to see. A lot of fancy watches being made there that we're not allowed to talk about. Okay. Well, let's talk about this one because we are not talking about it. Hands on the Cronus Swiss Pulse GMT Silver Geoge. A fresh take on the travel watch. This is just dropped on the website. Ripley, you've had a hands on this. I quite like it. Look at this. Absolutely. I do as well. I do. I do too. It's cool. It's a it's an interesting way of doing a dual time. It's in that pulse silhouette integrated bracelet style they're doing. So it's it's got similar hallmark traits

25:45that you'd think of. It's quintessentially chronic Swiss kind of the nubs or the ridges on the bezel, the sort of onion-shaped crown. But it's distinctly modern. And this one gives you a dual time display. So there's two hands in the center. One seconds, one's minutes. And then on either side of those two eyes, you know, whatever you want to go. Android breasts is what you're going for. Android breasts. Yeah, there we go. We have the two hour hands. The one on the right displays in a 12-hour format. The one on the left is a 24-hour format. So you've got your AMPMs. But it's it's it's a cool watch. Okay. How do you set it? I have many positions of the crown. I don't know. It already set this watch for it's beauty. No, just no. Just two. There's no there's no date. So if you pull it out all the way and you rotate it, all the hands are going to move as normal. Except the seconds hand. And if you pull it out to the first position, only the, you know,

26:46those secondary hand moves. So. And is the second should have the 24-hour hand? Yes. Or the 12-hour. I believe so. Yes. So it's a 12-hour standard timer. And then a 24-hour timer. It's identical. So most AMP tw-watches you can think of. Not in high, yes. But normally that 24-hour track would be in the outside. Well, so. So, okay, unlike a caller style GMT where it has a date. Call us so that was a wonderful part. And you can either advance the hand or set the, or advance the date. This in the first position, you can move the 24-hour hand forwards or backwards. And there's no date whatsoever. So if you wanted to use this like a convenient flyer-style watch, you would, you know, you could use the 24-hour one as your traveler time and then independently set that. But it's really more for a dual,

27:48a dual time setup than a practical GMT complication. The hour hands are teeny. But it is quite cool, pretty comfortable on the wrist. The one thing I will say about it is, due to the way that bracelet is shaped, if your wrist is smaller than like six and a half inches or so, the way that the class sits, it ends up being quite rigid. And it's, it's not like it's uncomfortable, but it won't naturally be the shape it should be if your wrist is smaller than about six and a half. Yeah, the picture is screened out. It looks quite chunky and the bracelet links look really thick. Cause it to the, to the looks. So I get what you mean, the bend on, it's just not quite right. So you got the rest is going to rotate. Yeah, so you can see in this photo, the class, the folding mechanism part of the class sits within the links, similar to like how an Octave and Esemo does it. But the links themselves, they are structured more like a royal oak, where if you put stood the watch up, it would stand up on its class. So if you shrink down the bracelet too small,

28:50the curvature on the bottom does not allow the class to sit flush in there. And that cut off about six and a half inches. So for my wrist, it's just on the cusp of what works. But if my wrist was like maybe half an inch or an inch smaller, it would probably get a little bit like kingter funky on the bottom. Okay, so what are we paying for this, the pleasure of this watch? So it's a limited edition, which you can see on the dial. I added 200 pieces, I believe. And it's not cheap, but it's 20,300. So it could be a 20,000. Yeah. Wow. Okay, I was not expecting that. Welcome to Switzerland. It's all titanium. Right. So well, titanium be a famously expensive material. It's a no. It's a no. So why do you say a hat again? Why do you say titanium? Swesting him. I was expecting a bit of bold move at eight and a half, 20,000.

29:54Well, eight and a half, that would be unrealistic, even if you look at what they're standard like chronographs so for. It was going to, it was always going to be more integrated bracelet titanium and house movement. It was going to be pricey, but it's, yeah, it's. So what can we spend on Corona Swiss and his website? Though we played a game last week. This website made a love is to do this. You know, the small second watch, I think cost more than that's like 9,000 something. And then there's three half-holes. Let's see, was it 13 or 14 starts that? Yeah, about that. So the game we played last week with Rolex was we had to select the watch, which somebody in the chat said, wait a minute, that's my watch. So somebody claimed to own the watch that we designed on Rolex. You had to find the setup within the website that when you took that watch to Chrono 29 had the biggest fall and price you were going for.

30:55What, how could you waste your money? The quickest, getting depreciation hit the quickest. So what do you think is the watch you'll be buying from Chrono Swiss? The most expensive one. None of these are very liquid. So like whatever you buy, you should buy because you like it. If you're looking for an investment, yeah, a Chronos Swiss is not the brand to buy as a quick lip. You buy it because you like it, but I think any of these, if you were to buy it and try to sell it, the amount of time it would take you to sell it or how much you would take as a loss would be significant. But the watch itself is really lovely. So unless you just, you know, randomly change your mind, you're probably going to get the watch and joy and like it and just keep it and whether it goes up or down, that doesn't matter. So your overall thoughts on this Chronos Swiss, would you really spend 20,000 on that 20, yeah, it just seems a stretch. I'm just not playing in that income level. I guess between, okay, so this UBLO is like 21,

32:00right? I think I'd take the UBLO between the two of them. But some of that isn't fair because this feels a lot nicer on my wrist. I don't, if I had a larger risk and the bracelet was more flexible because there were more links in it, I might feel differently. It's a very interesting watch. It looks quite striking, but it's not like overtly mechanical at a glance, like a re-shard miller or something like that. So it gives a lot of impact. It's simple yet intricate, lots of curvature and depth there. So I think there's a lot of ways you could spend this amount of money and be far worse. This is a pretty nice watch, all things considered. David Ariel, Chronos Swiss, have any presents at GPHG? G on GPC. I just get this old stuff in Geneva, whatever it was. What were you in that? I saw the CEO, so he was there. They didn't have like official booth or anything. Right, okay. That's the thing. Like more so than any other show, you have like, I don't really know the right term for them, but like people who show up, but don't have any

33:03official presents, they're like playing with me. Like watches and wonders apparently tries very hard to stop these people. Like, oh, you're having an official meetings. Yeah, zip-packed it. I can't do that. You know, with Geneva Watch Days, it's two informal. You know that little hotel that's right outside the front door, I can't know what it's called. There's like a little kind of training you would tell right side. In the air, there's definitely security guards on the door from Watson Woodrow stopping people having unofficial meetings in the folly of that hotel. But yes, they're very keen not to let other brands in just to have a wonder. So who were Bulgari? A normally good for Geneva Watch Days in the exciting there? Yeah, the Vienniholtter collaboration watches were pretty cool looking. I have to say

34:03and I don't think they're totally new now, but I hadn't seen them before. The, well, I think they're going to be called the Titanio, according to David, but the titanium aluminium watches are really nice. And I really hope they decide not to call them the aluminium titanium watches. But I dug those a lot. Yeah, the aluminium titanium watches, I mean, you'll get the price of those and that range in general, the Bulgari Bulgari range, what would it call? Really good value. I mean, like in comparison, like four and a half, five grand, I didn't get a lot cheaper than that on Cruel 365. So yeah, these are the Vienniholtter ones. Did you see these in the flesh? I'm curious just how they wear. How do they wear in comparison to the original? Because I think these look pretty cool. They work exactly the same. Yeah, they're not. They actually, you don't notice that. Trump comes back. No, it's thicker a little bit because of the bezels and of this

35:07Antigua design bezels, you know, with a little pips on it and stuff. So sure, sure, it's a it's a little bit thicker, but it's nothing crazy. Nothing, nothing major. It's still something weird. I'm thinking we're better and we're better for more people because they're slightly different vibe to them. They're not the feel a bit thicker. Is the is the watch head itself the same size as at 41? I was right. It's 40, but it's square. What's the measures differently? As you know, but yeah, it's roughly the same size. It's it's not a gigantic watch. It's not, you know, super large. I think the 37 the new 37 of the Finnish civil wears better than any of the 14 more versions of portion of the ability is just fantastic. But yeah, overall, this is this is real nice. I mean, it's 80,000 for the titanium one. That did show me the better. That sold all of them on the first day. Yeah, all of them are gone, you know. Because there's not like, is there any super tech in here? That's just a

36:11Jew tie. I mean, you had to, I mean, it's an old russian movement that had to be reengineered to adapt for these additional functions and displays and stuff. Right. Okay. But I mean, they've not really made them just badly done the high advice, like you on top of the normal. Yeah, I'm sure that's very easy on a super fresh island. What's russian movement? Okay. Okay. Just I had no type. Why didn't that other watch engineers think about this? Yes, I'm super cool. It's like these exactly some Scottish tape double tennis like a tape away you go. There we go. Right. All these people buying watches and why not get rid of them? Like the statement of like, if you buy his chronos with this, it's a liability. Why would you buy something just with the desire to want to sell it right away? Like, isn't it liability? If you buy a watch, you don't like getting rid of it shouldn't be the liability. People kind of support the watches that they're buying. And so they are looking for high residual well, you said that they can look smart, feel smart and actually be able to wear something that they could in the fort. Okay. Well, then just buy us a

37:14more. She go, that's cool. Then you buy it and you know, she's spent 20 grand on a crudal Swiss and you really need it. The whole point of the block too much is take your damn time buying a watch. True. Right. Don't really read it. Read it. Read about it. See the alternatives. See the person. And by the time you get it, you should know that you want. But this idea is like, you know, as David said, like you can't really afford it and you're worried about being able to offer it quickly. That's, that's not the watch collecting hobby. I don't know exactly what that is, but that's not the watch collecting hobby. You don't look cool to anyone that collects watches because you are fretting about resale value. That is the least cool. Yeah. Topic in this in this entire hobby as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. You are out immediately. If you start talking about residual, look at me and my smart do not for, you know, like, or even if you try to flip it and you make some money or something like that, that's a different, different thing. This used to be a hobby. This used to be something with which you reward yourself,

38:18something that you like, something that you're passionate about, something that you wait for. You save up for and then, you know, you go through this whole process of finding the stuff that you like and then you anticipate the moment and then there's this whole thing of getting it and then, it's not the first thing that is on your mind like, okay, but what if I want to sell it? You know, sure, of course, it's a reasonable consideration not to burn through money like crazy, but at the same time, if we revert back to buying stuff that you actually like and not stuff that you want to impress other people with or or make some money on, then suddenly the whole thing becomes a completely different proposition. It does feel like that kind of chat is fading in the watch world. Does it feel like that to you? I mean, obviously it went through absolute hype culture, COVID time, but it does feel like it's just talked about less than maybe just the algorithm and what I've seen because I'm not the slightest bit interested in it. So what's talked about this? Just the whole residual thing, it doesn't appear to be the first thing ever or buy this because

39:19because none of it's good right now. The like the global economy is not feeling incredibly flush. And you know, during COVID, it was a booming time and people couldn't buy any Rolex at retail and they were just all these people with money who didn't know what to do with it because they couldn't spend it on other stuff so they bought watches. This, what is it? It's not good to report. Most of the people reporting on this are the ones who have invested interest in trying to make it seem like a desirable investment because they're probably the one selling them pre-owned or on the gray market. So I mean, when the story's not positive, they're just not, they're not going to talk about it as much and then the people who briefly got into it because they thought it was a way to make a quick book. They didn't make money. They got out of it and then we're not hearing from them anymore. They're doing something else like Pokemon cards or whatever, you know, whatever came after Labubus. Has anything come after Labubus? So yeah, probably like 10 things. I'm just not cool enough to know about them. Well, I did post to be what's happening.

40:22I did post to the WhatsApp chat a video from someone trying to sell the investment in Scotch whiskey who was specifically taking a dig at people collecting watches and suggesting that instead they should invest in whiskey, which was the first time I've seen anyone like face up one kind of investment strategy against another like that in a kind of hobby. Our hobbies more invested, more than your hobby is. No, no, they're both hobbies. Okay. The cigar procates coming in and going, no, no, we are, we are, we are the hobby. You should be investing in other hobbies. Maybe merits an entire column is the distinction between investing and collecting. You collect to own, you invest to sell. You do not collect to sell. You collect to own you because you are a natural born hoarder and you want to own the power in Beward within these small items. That's the website, natural born hoarders. That's that's that's what we want to go.

41:29So what else do you hold on? What else do you hold on? What else do you collect? Oh gosh. A number of things I should maybe start other websites on? I don't know. We know Ripley Clex Knife. How is that knife collection going? It's only grown once since I spoke to you last week. One knife a week. I can't remember what I did buy this. That's a good website. One knife a week.com. I did buy this. I saw my father, I met up with him. He would have been out of town. He I think and was up in Ventura and he's like, I got you a cheese knife. I'm like, yeah, cool. So I didn't I didn't purchase this. It is not it is a practical kitchen implement. It just happens to be a knife. Okay. And if now if John Claude Beaver could send me some cheese I have to stop. He's by the way I learned to be fair is done with cheese as a fearsome cheese.

42:32Cheese cheese. What is even the point now? What is this hole in the trick? I mean, I mean, I could watch me cut me cheese for all of that. Nothing matters anymore. So watch. No, this is a big shift because everybody coming to the hobby now or in the next few years when we say things like be various cheese people have no idea what I'm talking about. Don making music. How is it going to stop making? Generation of watch enthusiasts that went to Basel's and remember all of this cheese and how it served everywhere. It could go an event without there being be very cheese. And you know, it's a perishable thing. So no one that is a I don't know. It's gone. It's been investing in the corner of that market. We get the bar and still there is nowhere. You see, that's different between like Americans and Scottish people. You bring the knives, we bring the cheese. I'm not gifting somebody the knife. I assume they've got a knife.

43:33I'm going to bring them some cheese. I don't understand. I'm just going to go and buy a a cheque. How far did you have? Yeah, it's been like three weeks since my father purchased the knife for more. You know, if this was cheese, I just have to imagine going into a shop going, I'm going to buy a gift for someone and going, I'm going to buy them a cheese knife. No, no, no, I've gone to the shop going to buy some cheese. Well, I think he was saying two deficit Europeans, the Americans, are blocked the cheese in the chat. Where are you going to cut your cheese if you don't have a cheese knife? I think I think the knife is a good gift. I assume the fact that you've managed to exist at the age in which you are means that in your house, there is already a knife. I may not have a knife, but it's the cheese knife. It's dedicated to the careful craft of cheese, cut it. But for cheese, you're going to have cheese slice. No, we like purpose built things. Like why are some of these watches more appealing than others? It's built for this one arcane

44:34reason that I buy this. This is a knife. Throw your cheese in plastic in America. No, no, that's only the cheese that is American. It's kind of confusing. Which is also not actually real cheese. Yeah, it's also not a cheese. Big cheese. I say already we've got fake cheese. We're going just the way of the watch we're old. No matter what. I'm focusing on. I made it a blog to watch cheese knife. It does exist. I'm not sure what was the show where we were on the list. They have blog to watch chopping board. Yeah, we have that at the same time or before that I made the cheese knife. I'll get you when you want the cheese knife. I think I'm at home. I'll have the cheese knife. You might need to be careful how you ship it to this country, but I will have the cheese knife. I'll have the blog to watch. The blades over three quarters of an inch or the handle locks or doesn't lock it. You're never going to be able to get it there. Rick's going to never be able to get on a plane again. It's going to be a whole thing. You think I need to ship it with cheese in order to prove that it's cheese knife. I think it's the. So what you have in the cheese?

45:34See you in Switzerland and I give you a cheese knife. Are you not able to take it home with you? I would not be able to take that home with me unless I had checked on a luggage. Which sounds like a good idea. Cheese to go with it. If you pack like a big roll of big, very cheese next to the knife, it's all good. That's a stinky cheese. Stinky cheese. Start eating it on the airplane. Is there something wrong with checking your baggage? No, no, we're trying to have luggage, wouldn't we? Oh, because I'm all the good. We have our two nights. I'm just putting it in a bag. We need to get hand. Two whole nights without checking baggage. Two nights. It's possible, you know. I don't know the sense of Europeans. Anyway, terrible travelers. Right. We have, we should talk about some of my watches. Let's see what we've got. We have this. I'm not sure we're talking about this for very long. Chanel's entirely blue ceramic G12.

46:35Ariel, you're the hands on with this. Not even blue. I was getting a lot of observations. But I can see here was I can see your computer. Did you think they take a really long amount of time to decide on this shade of blue? That's like the only thing I remember about this watch. It's Chanel for sure. They took a long, long time. So many meetings, so many people stating employed. It's just like months of building. The gaps and you could you could employ a Turkish dentist to start the gaps in that. And people get excited about the ladder bracelet by zenith. I mean, choose the extreme you want. But it's the whole no holes. This is not appropriate. This is this is just this is just lack of thought. Where's your concern? You haven't seen these skin. It looks like there's big holes there, but they're highly rounded links. You don't see these skin between there. According to James in the chat, this is banned to blue. Very clever. Very good. Very good. There's a little blue. Is the G12 yet worthy of consideration as a

47:42a watch? I quite like it. And then I occasionally see some of the people that wear them. And I go, no, no, I don't actually like it. Who do you see that wear such an LG? I'm curious. Well, the last person is all wearing when it was Jennifer Aniston. Okay. I don't think she was wearing the same size or style that you would consider. Probably not. Probably not. Well, no, I think it was a male. No, it wasn't oversized one. A male Jennifer Aniston, I could say. I could see you. Yes, welcome to Jonathan. Yeah, I quite like this watch. And then I go, good. Really do. It's amazing. I like it. Tell me what if you think Ariel educate me? Well, this is kind of a special model in their collection right now. And it really has to do. Well, you have to look at the pricing they have as well as overall the sortment of things. Now, as you know, I'm a fan of the Chanel J12. I've always been a fan of it. It's like 25 year old design now. It was originally designed for men. Yes, it got popular with women. But to me, this isn't always has been a men's watch.

48:42Now, for me, the men's J12 is 40 millimeters in the above. 42 millimeters was my favorite size. They made that for a while. And they just came back in the same year with the 42 millimeter golden black as they call it. What you wrote about a couple of weeks ago. Is actually gold and is actually black? It's black and it's got a little tiny bit of gold in it. I mean, no actual gold, just a little bit of gold color. Oh, yeah. And it's on the website right now. The thing which is interesting is that there's a roughly $4,000 difference in price between the 42 millimeter version and this 38 millimeter version. Same movement, more or less, spec the same, but a 4,000 difference in price. Now, this blue model is also brushed. So it doesn't have that shiny polish to it. Right? So see how this is brushed? And it looks really nice. It's more masculine. So if the blue one was polished, I agree. It'd be a little feminine, but the brushed blue and the fact that a lot of guys right now, like 38 millimeters is a size, just makes it specially appealing.

49:45It's far less money than these other ones. It's just got an overall good style to its blue, which is a color that like pretty much all guys like. I can't think of a single guy as like blue. I don't want to wear that. It's more or less than the most popular. Yeah, they've left the gold color. So I'm saying. No blue watches there. Okay, I don't know. There's definitely one proportion of Glasgow culture that will not wear blue, and then there's one proportion of Glasgow culture that will not wear green. I mean, I'm most familiar with this other thing. Oh, yeah, sure. It's a football thing. It's a football. Oh, it's a football thing. You know, the tutor that I just recently reviewed that we had our fun chat about the master bay, if you remember that. Yeah, that's a little bit less money than this. It's by, I don't know, not even like maybe $500 or so. But again, you know, that one probably is the winner if you want like a masculine all ceramic watch. I just think the Chanel looks great.

50:46Right now, no one else offers a blue ceramic watch like this. They probably will. So I think there's a unique combination of virtues here. If you still want to laugh about the Chanel brand being worn by a man, fine, you can do that. But I actually think this is sort of like it. I don't know. A lot of people, you know, like, I'm sure now. I'm not going to wear that. I still get those comments a lot. I just thought this was a really nice combination of price, style, size, finishing. If you look at their blue watches, I think they have three of them, not even a lot. This is one of them. So I don't even think Chanel is deeply promoting this. And that's what it kind of was cool about is I feel like, oh, I discovered something when no one else was talking about it. I just don't, we talked about, did you talk about the North flag? I didn't listen to last week's show. Did you go to the North? I don't know. I wasn't on this week. No, I didn't. We were on the last week's show. It was just us. Did you talk about it? No, I don't think we did. I think we came out like right after. I'm moving to the moment later. We're going to that in a minute. So David Chanel, effort of brand, you could look at in a pure list.

51:54I would totally have actually no problem. If the watch is good enough, I've been looking at this J-thuff for a long time that had every once in a while, there's one listed that has an AP movement in it. I used to know the reference number as well. It's super freaking cool. I just like the fact that it looks like almost any other J-thuff, but it does have the AP movement in it, which is a whole combination. Oh, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah, I think it's the H298, one and a three. There's two of them. There's the brush one and the polished one. Yeah, I love those watches. H2918. Yes. I'm pretty good. There's only one place to go. Let's just throw no 93. Exactly. Cool. 24 hours. Is there a way to create a cinematic movement? Is it so risky? No way. Yeah, that shitty old-agey movement. That people are just saying. So shitty. Pretty. But shitty. Well, there's no way it's weird. I forgot that. Oh, it's a great.

52:54I think the DC movement blows that movement out of the mark. That's true. But you're not like a J-Toward. How did I find the stretched version of a J-12? How does that happen? It's a hard to do. It's the one of the two hits on Kronou 89, which is $11,000. Slum Japan. We saw it. So it's number 12.1, which is basically the same as the tutor. I mean, that is a solid movement. I don't know what tutor does to make there's metacertified. So they're both cost chronometer certified. It's just work harder. Yeah, maybe. Oh, that's not the time. Right. Let's say, E-Bruh, I don't know. I'm not E-P. E-Lion Zona had a couple of releases. Let's have them get more to be. They do blew ceramic. You won't be complaining. Yeah, they should be. Oh, it is. It hurts. Damn it. Well, it's just barely. Oh, I'm up to date on this. You're up to date on a 20-year-old movement. Congratulations. Thank you about it. Yes, you're up to date on this. Why is it to be?

53:55It hurts. Why? Why? E-P-Y. You raised, you gave me one more. You're leaving, right? And you charged $30,000 more dollars, why? Okay, E-Lion Zona, 18, 15, up-down, what, smaller dials and the blue, smaller size, blue dials. Worth a look to say, we're, we're, we're these part, were these part of Geneva Watch Days? Oh, just now. Come out and say, I'm going to say. I'm going to say, they rushed to Geneva. It was just the five, it was just the five that both of us come with the delicious, two-way, the same time like, boys and women and people. There's, anyway, we're coming. Geneva, more brands send emails to release watches. They're not showing up there. Then actual watches are, I'd like to be there. That would be cool. That was quite fun. That was directly bad timing. It was so bad. Like, why would you do this? It's just like such a patty, contest for attention, really. So, isn't it? What do we expect? It's pretty bad. Do we like people? It's pretty good. Talk to a bit of what?

54:56I love the breakdown. This solves my main problem with these Mani-Lewon movements, which is no power reserve. This is not a new timepiece, but it's a new execution. I really like how the sort of non-standard assortment of the dials being a little bit low, which it's still balanced. Like, it gives it more personality. Like, everybody wants to stick him exactly where three in nine is, and they lowered it a little bit. It works even better, so proportionally from a legibility standpoint. And again, with Mani-Lewon movements, unlike Constantly, is it wound? Is it wound? I'm like, I find myself nervously winding every Mani-Lewon watch constantly. Constantly. This is the only thing that stops that that anxiety. They really should be like a super cutoff for anxieties and OCD. They really did the watch. It's just, it's been three hours. My movement's going to die. It's like two more things to go. One day is it. Is it easy to call? Why is it called the updone because of the pose? Alphab.

55:56Because that's a dramatic updown. So you can just tell that the Alphab, yeah, that'll get them to buy it. How much is it? Yeah, it is a lot. Is my guess. Oh, I'm in 45 years. 45,000. 45,000. Huge amount of money. That is a huge amount of money. 300 of each. So they need more power. Is there a indicator of small seconds? And I mean, I know I'm sorry. I got an Arielle's life. She's just been buying one for him. For like, I mean, you can spend all that on Xanax. I mean, for that, you know, you got to do that. That's a good deal. That's a good deal. Let's see then if the A-Lagon's own a triple split chronograph makes Arielle less anxious. This will be proper expensive right there. This is this is really expensive. Have a guess then. What's the price of this? It's $100,000 a hand. Okay. That's what I'm guessing. It's a 300 grand. It's way more than three heads on there. Look at that.

56:56So funny how you're expected to spend 45,000 euros on a lung a with a couple of hands on it. And immediately feel one-opt and in a liquid. Because somebody else will show up at the concourse or whatever with, you know, rocking one of these babies and you just feel in the liquid immediately. Because this just, you know, just rules over all the other like over and longer. So I think that's just kind of funny. It looks the same. And yet it's probably cost like five times as much. It is, it is a, it's really. It's a 10 hands. Hell, it's a 10 hands. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 hands. Yep. It has 10 hands. That's awesome. And if you notice, there's a baby 1815 up down somehow shoved in it. You really go. It's so funny. It's right there. It's expanded the case. There we go. So we're guessing how much. How much are out of. Well, I mean, that would imply a million dollars. I don't think it's quite that high. So I'll say half a million dollars.

57:57It's like $500,000. David, $50,000. I'll say $380, $380, Ripley. I'm disqualified because I already know what I'm doing. I'm at. So it's a mere 200, and then the house there is one of the slides. Oh my god. For however you're. Oh my god. I don't have to buy one now. That's only like a quarter million dollars in America money. Only $25,000 a hand. I mean, that's such cool. That's cool at all. I want to pay more per hand. I want for us to always from now on. Look at watches and judge them by the cost per hand. You know, that should be. It's just looking at watches to be on the cost per hand. Yeah, that's the due cost per indication. You cost per indication. We see what's the end. What's being said like a date we know is not a certain money that indication. Disgore hand. So it's a movement. So this has got a thing. Yeah, co-solver or attack over Toronto.

58:57Yeah, the movement. No, that's no. That's bullshit. It's something. I'm moving indicator. I have a disk. No, the movement in this. What if we did it by part? So the movement in this alone is $567 individual components. That's not that bad if we're now breaking it down by part. That's a lot. That's like multiple times the number of the standard three hand movement. Let's look at this. So a swatch system 51 has 51 parts. Is that right? Is that the idea? So this has got 10 times as many parts as a swatch system 51. A swatch. So it's still 10 times when it's a per part with a swatch. Which is fine because the parts are made of maple and not plastic. Yeah, and they're like hand finished and lovely. And stuff. A nice. And there are other versions of this. So if for some reason you just like don't like platinum or this kind of lovely silver dial with the contrasting registers, this is just the latest version of these.

1:00:00They've done. There's a pink gold version that was in 2018. I believe before that you had another white gold one. So this is my favorite among them. But if for any reason you cannot secure one of these, maybe Cranau 59 might have one of the previous versions. To be fair, it is a pretty watch that is known for that. It's very pretty watch. Let's go on then to something which was released last week. I guess the breaking news, that's for that. Oh, breaking news. Give us your breaking news. Beers back into cheese. Uh, no, that would be cheesy news. Never so lucky. I've never got that lucky. And these are the results of the Hong Kong. That's the Hong Kong watching clock design competition. Oh, okay. Yes. And there's some I did. And there's some amazing. In the chat. Yeah. It's not in the chat. I think the email. So sorry. Oh, email.

1:01:00I'll check. I'll find the other. Immediately. The other Chanel. You'll see what I mean. I didn't do ends like channel. It sure is. Same exact. Same exact font is the one N Chanel. With a case that's exactly the, um, F. P. Jordan, elegant, and the dial that, well, not even a mother could love. But it wasn't. What a prize. I look the original elements are the worst. Okay. I have the email. I am looking like. I must go to that. This year, honestly. We're going to worry what is kind of interesting. So this is craftsmanship, meat, creativity, to reimagine the content of time. Yeah, let's reimagine the content of time because it's not like a universal concept. I think that's just different. I don't know what that is, but obviously, when I'm a word, oh, this is the can of. Yes. Really? The winner. I mean, like, it doesn't look like the winner.

1:02:02What did it win? What did it win? I think it won. So these are, I guess, there was a mutual winner. The first runner up. The runner up. The channel. And to put, huh? I'm confused as to what the one that actually is. So that's the, okay, first runner option. I was designed by sponsor, by downcouple scale and pointer of a VU meter. All right. So this is, so they take I'm confused. What is this? They take watches that already exist and somebody has a, has a go at them. Just like this. I was joking. You could record the channel, but it is called the channel. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. So there we go. And that's fantastic. We've got a watch remain to know that. No, it's got no hands, but a traveling bird. What is, what am I looking at? Is that a mountain scape? Apparently, there's a swallow. If you can't really see it, there's a small swallow.

1:03:02And it revolves around the dials that end the hand I believe. None of these photos on the way. Against this cycle, that fantasy background. Yeah. So I was just exactly. For exactly if you sent me here, I don't understand. I just ordered email. I don't know any more than you. You could actually read it. What about these weird flowers? Look at that. There's like 12, 3, 6 and 9. And then there must be hands in the middle. Ish. Yeah. I think it, I think it's quite delicate. Oh my god. Anyway, what does remind me, because you sent this email to me earlier about, I thought was it Glass-Whita? I was, yeah. What was the email whereby you suggested that we're desperately trying to avoid mentioning the second world war? Oh yeah. Yeah, no, that might have been them. That was pretty fun though, wasn't it? 100 years of Glass-Whita, the flyer crora graph. Tentacle masterpiece, yeah, trying desperately.

1:04:02But in 1939, they were entrusted with the development. I'll share all of these shares. Trust me, though. It's the best way to get it. Here we go. What purpose? Yeah, let me see. I can't release this difficult to share. Let me see. Is there a way, there must be a web route, a few in browser. That's what we need. We need to view this on that, and to, I know that doesn't work. It's just a little cold. I'll read it to you. In 1939, U.A. OFA was entrusted with the development of a wristwatch cronograph for who you say that was to be specially tailored to the requirements of pilots. To do what you ask. The technical requirements are stripped at temperatures range from minus 10 to plus 40, the rate of deviation. So there you go. Basically, they built watches for the lift. But what was that rate of deviation? That sounds remarkable. Familiar to an imaginary level three and 1260. Oh, no, it's way better than a saco. I'm from an okay. That's like that what you suggested the Japanese and the Germans did something collectively.

1:05:03I read 19,000. Oh, you said that. I know we're talking about it. Right. Okay. We're going to talk about this. And then we'll be able to access of timekeeping. Right. Talking about the access. Thank you, ping. Shoulder North flag returns as a GMT. What time? I go, okay. So I don't know if we can call it a proper return, because now they're spelling North flag as one word instead of two words. Is that official now? Yeah, I guess that just looks stupid. Or they sent out of, they sent out the medium materials and we're like, we're stuck. We got to commit. Or they just could not protect North flag. So some genius decided to combine the words. Or they already printed the dials and we're like, you guys, we didn't put a space. Well, we're just going to call it one word. So strangely enough, the one time zone watch had two words. And now the two time zone version has one word. So we tried to stay North flag without a space between the words. Just kind of rushed North North flag.

1:06:04North flag. North flag. That's actually good. That's not good. North flag spawned it. I love it. Hey, yeah, that's we are. That's what looks like. There we go. So what do we think? I can't wait. Perfect. Yeah, I like this. Pretty. I like the original one. I think I'm still be a little bit partial to the original. I think it just more of a distinct design. And it was also just the first, you know, modern tutor with the display case back in the in house, canese season, whatever. This is a little bit more safe. It looks to be shorter, lug to lug. Still technically the same diameter, still stainless steel. You get the same movement in it. Metacertified that you'd get inside like the FXT, Pellagos GMT. So that's nice. That's an upgrade for sure, I guess. But you only get one configuration for this. And the hands are also, they look a bit more refined and more gentle. You no longer have a power reserve indicator at nine o'clock like you had before. So I was automatically induced to.

1:07:05But I think the one thing that I'm curious to see if they're going to do is add strap or alternate options. The original North flag, you could get it in a couple different ways. This appears to just be an integrated bracelet. But and it's like what 500 something dollars. Yeah, the pricing is in trace. Yeah. It's sent. So it's a budget model? No, it's a model. I mean, it's sort of an interesting place. I think it's not outrageous at all compared to other GMT watches. That tutor makes it's kind of right in line with that. But it is just more expensive than I remember the North flag being. And it does make me wonder why they do have so many GMT watches in their catalog. You know, you've got the Pellagos, they got the North flags, got one now, got multiple black bays. So I don't know if it needed to be a GMT. I liked it except for the hands and the hour markers. The case is cool. The price is cool. The hands and hour markers are not doing it for me.

1:08:07Okay. In the chat, why is seconds of GMT hand the same color? Interesting comment. Yeah. Because we're not allowed to have more than three colors in a dial. Don't you know that? Is that right? Is that the law? Is that news? Is that a tutor? Yes. Okay. So how many hands? So going on David's new way of calculating value, A, do we know how many cops are in this watch? B, there's one, two, three, four, so there's five, four hands and one indicator. Yes, that was a hand. So $1,000 a hand. I was better or worse valued than the the one in Zona. Am I the only one that feels the hour a minute hands or someone underwhelming? I don't mind the design, but they've kind of made them a little bit more. I don't want to call them delicate because they're not, but like smaller and thinner, they kind of feel a little bit undersized now even though they're not. I don't know. I just want them to be a bit beefier. Yeah.

1:09:07So now the performance. Yeah, exactly. Some of the proportions on every single tutor watch is off and it has been since the first black bay. Not the excluding the first black bay. You know, it's somehow they just never, now that they resize the chrono, for example, which would have been, you know, a homerun easily with that, you know, case size and all the rest of it. It's still messed up. Somehow the logo is too small. The text is too small. Some things are too large. It's just all over the place. If you compare all these things, all the different numerals, for example, the flangering and the dial and then the date and just the whole thing is just off by not a huge amount, but because everything is off, it just adds up really. I like this TMT. How to say, you can't do basic maths. Yeah. Sure. Sure. The North flag is one word looks not good on the dial. I have to say, it just looks like some type of Nordic language. And I'm like, what is going on there? The fluke. Most of the flag. I just, does that work? It's a strange decision. I don't know if that needed to be a thing.

1:10:09Because, you know, there was a reason it was called the North flag to begin with. It was talking about like the expedition to Greenland or whatever, or the plant, the pole, but like North America. Yeah, somewhere North, but like, North America. There's a reason it was called that. Now, North flag, Black Bay, whatever, you know. Yeah, I think I see what you mean about the minute hand fine. The other hand, I don't think should be. It needs girls. It lacks girth. There's something about that hand needs to be chunkier, beefier, maybe a different shape. What do you see the seconds hand better than the hour hand? It's an issue. I think they should make it. It should be a snowflake. It's the North flag. No, it should be a black pointer. It should look like a flag. Yeah. You can buy it according to your country. Yeah, with a giant hand on it for the North. A compass, a second compass, basically thinking built into the strap. Why don't they take the tutor shield and kind of make that like kind of have the point

1:11:13to end be the pointy part of the hand? It wouldn't make that like it would be. It would be. It would. I would say that we stopped it. Fowlacan self very well. North style like. The fell is like. Yeah, yeah. You could write North's fallick on the dial and Nova would notice. Honestly, I think people eat in the real world. But I think it's a people to eat meat or food. I use this bake so much attention to what is written on the dial, especially over six o'clock and wherever. And I realized that whatever it is, I simply don't care, barely see it. I have good near-sight vision, but still, I just don't even see it. I wear a watch. Maybe I really once and then never look at it again. As long as the font is the right size and color and it's just some gibberish on there. And it adds to the proportions and the layout of the dial. I'm happy. I couldn't I could care less what it says on there. It's very Daniel Wellington. Yeah. I like it. I like it. Daniel Wellington. Oh, he does me a rare.

1:12:15I'll consider this. Yeah, I changed his image. That guy looks too cold right now. He'll take that watch off. Come to me. Oh, I forgot my gloves. I am very going to have. I'm very nervous. I can't be able to read the time. And my stainless steel watch is now going to be. I used to come to my wrist. Look at me before I brown with my fancy. 4000 Swiss franc jacket and 800 Swiss franc glasses and oxygen and all the rest of it. I just forgot my gloves. And I know what I'm really curious to know the time zone of where I used to live. But I don't know what would be in that story with that glove. Look at the amount of snow build up on the sleeves. Exactly. If you need those goggles and that parka, you have, you don't just need gloves. You need like a certain speck of glove. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. It's a nonsense for you. You're wearing your watch on the outside like your need to be. Do better. I just I just adore how how strangely and incredibly detailed and nuanced we can be with some things and just super super flowers. Super flowers with other stuff.

1:13:16It's just we're all in a place today. Yeah, he's got velcro on them. But yeah, it's built through the buffy. It's really his watch. It's just nonsense. It's just awful. It's just not how you wear a parka jacket in the snow. Although interestingly, he has got the same yellow on his jacket as the North flag. So at least when they stuck it into AI, the AI tried to keep the colors at least consistent. So there we go. Would you buy one? We could point the favorite tuna, not my favorite GMT. Okay, there we go. That's a good job. So David, so no from David Ripley. I don't think I'd be buying one. I think I would want one of these. I'd steal from the GMT. The normal black GMT at the moment. Could we call it the master flag? The fly master? Yeah, he can. You can. You can. Right. Okay, going Ripley. I don't know. I like it. I want to like it more than I do. The fixed lug things kind of a killer for me. If this watch had the option to take that off of a bracelet,

1:14:18I think I might be a bit more drawn to it, but it's not my favorite tutor or that has a GMT complication. I think I'd still rather just wear like the FXT pellagos and maybe bulk up so I could wear it comfortably. Okay. Right. Well, there we go. For a point. How wide does that watch? I don't remember. The what the FXT or the North flag is 40 mil. Okay, so they have a lot of, what are they still like five GMT watches that? What do they got? Yes, so they've got what the the black bay GMT, the full size one, then they've got the smaller one. And obviously we've got different color rays of all of these. But then we've got the the Pellagos. They've got this now. I feel like we're missing someone here. Oh no, no, they had the two versions of the black bay 50 HGMT. The meta said it's a lot in the non. It's a lot of GMTs.

1:15:18Configure there we go. So black bay, black big pro. Oh, the pro. Oh, right. I think it's beyond about the pro. Normal black bay, black bay GMT. And what else we got? There we go. I don't think you can keep the figure. That's to just show you the GMT watch. Now, what if they also put in a power reserve indicator? Like they didn't take that part out. Then we'd be having a different conversation slightly. But never so stop that. You would. Well, we wouldn't be saying there's a bunch of other stuff like this on the market. Right. True. True. And I did like the North flag because it came when it I don't think the market was ready for it when Tudor launched it. And then the whole modernist kind of got swept under the rug when they started doing the relief, integer inspired things. But I think that watch had a lot of potential. It was unique. It didn't look like the other stuff they did. It had that power reserve indicator. I kind of wish that they just brought it back maybe with a couple of refinement.

1:16:21But you know, now we have a dual time version. I don't think this is a bad watch whatsoever. And I'm quite curious to see it in the metal. Mm-hmm. Born to GMT. Yeah, the skies and the website as well. He's definitely getting fingers up. He's coming back. I was with with I think the guys incredibly warm in the photo shoot. It's like my head. That's right. That's not actually snow. It's like a cornflour or something to throw over them to make it look like snow. There we go. Right. That is us. Anything else. Anything else. Gentlemen before we go. You say, I'll look much. Nothing. We have a lot of stuff post Geneva watch days to discuss. So there'll be a lot of watches we'll be writing about. I think that's the best time. We'll write the article when it's up on the website. We'll talk about it. We'll refer to the fact that they came out Geneva watches. It's just two apps. Jack. I don't want the folks to listen. I was talking about watches. We can't try pictures up.

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