#2468 - Luke Grimes

0:00The Joe Rogan Experience Show me my day Joe Rogan podcast my night all day This is a real game Yeah, I've been listening to the show for years Well, I've been watching your show for years, yeah Are we rolling Jamie? All right, beautiful I love your fucking show, it's great Oh, thanks man, it's really awesome man But, well, I haven't watched Marshalls yet, is it out now? It is, when did it come out? March 1st, so they just had the second episode there I like the binge, man Yeah, wait a little bit Stay offline, I like to sit down and binge them For sure Yeah, but Yellowstone's fucking awesome It's such a great show Did you have any idea it was gonna be what it is? No, I don't think anybody did I thought it would find an audience for sure I mean Taylor was really, you know, hot at the time He'd been nominated for Oscars And I was kind of like Surprise, he was even writing a television show He was just like so hot in the film

1:01How the fuck does that guy even sleep? I know, man Where does he have the time? Every time I look in the news or There's a new show that he's doing, a new thing he's doing He's like, how are you doing all this? It's impressive, you know It's insane There's a lot of people I've worked with But they do things that are impressive, but his is impossible Right You know, like someone would be like, could you direct a movie as good as I'm forgiven? I'm like, maybe Maybe if I tried real hard, like could you write 10 television shows single handedly? No, no way, not possible He directed unforgiven? No, I'm just saying like people that I look up to that I'm impressed by It's like his is a different level Right, his is like impossible Who did direct unforgiven? Clint Eastwood That's the fucking greatest western movie of all time It is It's the best It's like, you know what it was like to me? It was like he was making up for all the silly westerns And was like, let me show you what it was probably really like Yeah What was really like when a man was about to get shot?

2:02What was really like when a dude was a stone cold killer? Yeah What was it really like the hardships of living back then? Yeah, and it's interesting too, because he starts out kind of a loser Yeah Those first, you know, like the first three quarters of the movie he's this sort of timid guy who's lost his power You know, and then he takes that one simple whiskey And it's all over for everybody else It's a crazy premise It's such a good movie It's such a good fucking movie, man But yeah, Taylor is a real freak There's not a lot of humans like him and it's his background story so interesting You know, like he was just kind of scrambling around till he was almost like 40 Yeah, it's like a real life rocky Yeah Something like Rags to Rich's the whole thing And no, man, it's just I just I guess that's why he has so much ambition Because he knows what it's like to be poor Right You know, he knows it was like like barely make it Right Then all of a sudden he's got a kid on the way and he's like, oh shit, I got a buckle down

3:02Yeah And really get moving and he kept his foot on the gas Absolutely Do you guys keep in touch? Yeah Yeah, all the time I love him, he's an awesome dude I just worry about him You know, you do so much Don't have a fucking heart attack, man, don't go crazy You know what's weird is he does he does like have a good time too It's not like he doesn't hang out with his family or friends or you know That's the craziest thing to me is like the guy has a really fun life And is able to do all that I guess like the moral of the story is don't play golf Yeah That'll take a while No shit, man Tell that to Jamie If I can get out once a week, it's great He's an addict, Jamie's an addict He's got a simulator back there, he's always walking golf balls Yeah, all my friends are trying to get me to play him like I'm not doing it, man That's a six hour commitment Oh man The amount of time it takes to get good enough that it's not the worst thing ever Right It's too much time Right And my problem is I'm an addict

4:02Like when I start doing things I just start like okay I need to play in the PGA I start going crazy, I'll start getting lessons and fuck that Yeah Don't do it, we need your show, man, we need you It's I will Well, I'm never doing it We can do this No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Try it, we can try it Try it out No, I know all my friends who play fucking love it Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe they go out every day It's like it's too much, man, I can't do it Yeah Yeah, you can't play golf and do what Dale is doing, that's for damn sure No way No But how the fuck is Trump doing it? He's playing a lot of everything he's always playing golf But that's sort of the criticism, right? He's playing too much golf and not running the country enough But don't they say that about every president? Yeah I think it's almost like a prerequisite to be president, you have to play golf You know, don't they all do it? I guess so It's like one of those weird business men things They make deals out there They have a couple of cocktails, they talk a little shit

5:02Right Do a bump, not my thing I just don't know Something about being like a manicured lawn I don't know I'm gonna be out in the middle of nowhere I'm sure I'd love it I'm sure Which is why I don't do it But I play pool And I'm addicted to pool Like I play pool all the time It's a real problem When I lived in New York, I was playing like eight hours a day Yeah I was playing in tournament and so I was traveling around I was like I can't I can't get another thing like that in my life Are you done playing pool? No, I play all the time Okay Yeah But you could play pool for like a couple hours and stop Maybe I'll try that Yeah Yeah Yeah Like real pool, like tournament pool Like competitive, like real tournament pool, it's legit But it's like It's another thing It'll get in your blood And then you'll be thinking about it all the time And watching videos And taking lessons I'm ready for something though Yeah Yeah, not golf Pool sounds like Well, you have music And you have acting

6:03Like you said That's gotta be kind of hard to manage Yeah, it's proving pretty difficult And I have an 18-month-old Oh, that's good And you mix Yeah, so no sleep Yeah, we're getting there You know, the music thing is sort of It's kind of nice because there's not a lot of pressure on it You know, for me, I have a day job You know, I have this thing that supports my family And the music I can do to like My passion level You know, and I wouldn't do it to the point where I'm like Away from my family too much So I like making the music Touring is kind of hard And it's also new for me So learning how to do that at 40 was kind of interesting You know, I feel like in my 20s That would have been the most fun ever Yeah Sleeping on a bus with 12 dudes And just going from city to city And you know, drinking backstage And playing country music That would have been a blast But I'm, you know, too old for To do that the right way Yeah When you tour, do you go out Or do you do like a weekend and then come back

7:05When you're on a full blown tour The way that it financially works the best Is to just stay kind of going So you're doing like three shows Like Thursday, Friday, Saturday Because you've got the bus rented You've got all the equipment rented You've got the guys, you know, on salary So you just have to keep going It's actually really hard to For it to pencil out When you're just doing a show here and there Right Yeah That's stand-up comedy so much easier in that regard I've only done one stand-up comedy tour tour I did it with Charlie Murphy and John Hepron We did this Bud Light Maxim tour Back in 2007 and we did like 22 dates in a month And so it was like I'd wake up and I wouldn't know where I was I'd look at the ceiling, I'm like Where the fuck am I? I don't, I would have to think Columbus You know, I'd have to like go through my head And figure out where I am when I woke up Was there ever like a period of Stage fright when you started doing stand-up? Oh yeah

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9:05I was thinking about not doing it I do that every time I play music today I'm like, can I just call it all? Do you still get stage fright right now? Really bad Well that's the thing man I'd always played music And when I was playing in bands and playing out I was the drummer But I always wrote songs and stuff But I never thought I had never had ambition around Like I want to be the guy in front of the microphone That was never the plan And then to be able to make an album Which I wanted to do You have to go stand in front of the microphone And that's the hard part for me I love being in the studio I love writing the songs I love making the music recording the music But there's something about Knowing that all these people have shown up And bought a ticket To see you And you're like All the sudden this thing starts happening in me Like they bought a ticket in poster syndrome You're not good enough for them to have spent their money And you know it's just this whole thing And it's like Dude, shut up I know it's going to be okay But it doesn't matter Every time I still get a little bit of the You know I think everybody who's sane gets in poster syndrome

10:05Yeah Yeah Everybody that I talk to that's sane It's like the really cookie ones I don't think Kanye has ever gotten in poster syndrome You know what I'm saying? Yeah It's like I'm better be Also, he's a genius But it's like the ones who were sane It doesn't make any sense Like none of it makes any sense Yeah Well I get it in drugs And way more for the music than the acting But it's Again, I've been acting in film and TV for over 20 years now When did you first get on stage to sing? How old were you? The very first show I played I was 39 Oh my god Yeah Yeah Like I had done karaoke before Right But you know It kind of came about in the weirdest way I literally was on set one day and get a call out of the blue From this manager This music manager Matt Graham He was a great manager And a really good friend of mine But he called and said Hey

11:05I know you don't know who I am But I know that you're a musician And you know I love Yellowstone I love you in that show Is that something you would want to take seriously? And I was like Like what does that mean? He's like I bet I could get you a record deal And I was like No man That's no And I don't want to do that And we talked for two years And over the course of the two years I really started to trust him He sort of like Explained to me What you know What would be required And Long story short My father passed away Somewhere in there And sort of one of the last things He sort of conveyed to me It was like If there's anything you want to do Where you're here Do it And It's something about that moment And I was like I'm just going to fucking do it You know I don't care What's the worst thing that can happen? I'm another actor Who made a goofy album Right So what? I got to do it, you know So I did And then immediately It's like, well now you have to go tour it Otherwise You know They're not going to put up the money For you to make these things If you don't go sell it

12:05You know So the tour is sort of to Get the music out there And get people buying it And so yeah, first show It was in Billings, Montana For I think it was 1200 people Whoa This place called I think it was pub station What was that like First time do it Dude I blacked out Like not drinking Like I just blacked out on nerves dude Like it, you know It started My knees were shaking My hands were shaking And this is before I knew about like beta blockers Or anything like that And I The show was over And I was like How was That okay How did that go And everything was good You know it was good I was fine The fourth show I ever played With stage coach Whoa Yeah That's nuts It was crazy I mean it was earlier in the day It's not like I had you know 100,000 people out there But still That's a big stage That's a big stage And yeah I so But you know Little by little it got Somewhat better I don't black out anymore I kind of

13:05I know where I'm at I'm there But it's still something You know I deal with Oliver Anthony The first show he ever played live In front of people Was like 20,000 people It's so nuts It's insane Wasn't it like that It was huge right It was like It was a gigantic crowd I don't think I'm exaggerating Because he got really famous Before he ever went on tour That one song Richmond, north of Richmond That song Like Instantly made him famous He wrote a rocket That rarely happens Few people know that feeling I can't imagine But he was freaking out I became friends with him Like right when it was happening Because he was like a little lost And he said a bunch of people I go Let's talk So we got on the phone Like it was before He had you know He had gotten a ton of record deals And all these different people were saying You know Hey, sign with me We'll give you an X amount of money in advance

14:05Don't sign nothing And he was like Hey, everybody's telling me That I got an X strike Why the iron's got to go No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I go, dude, you got talent You got real talent You're always going to have talent It's just a matter of putting in the work And you're going to be huge You don't need these people These people are all vampires They're all just trying to suck on your neck Don't let them Don't let them And he's like, what the fuck is going on? One song with him and a guitar just standing in a field. That's all it took. That's amazing. I mean, it's how it should be, right? I have the complete opposite story. That story's not cool at all. I'm like, I'm a successful actor, and I got a record deal for no reason. Yeah, but you had a record deal because you wanted to do it, because you're interested in that too. Like, you can do anything you want to do. Just because you're a successful actor, doesn't mean you can't do it. Right, but I think a lot of the thing with music

15:05is the story of the person. So I knew going in, like, I don't have the best story. I do come from nothing, and I did work my ass off to become an actor and all that. But my way into the music was a little wonky, but... Well, sometimes that's good, because it makes you work harder to prove to people that you're legit, because you have this thing over your head where they're like, fuck that pretty boy, motherfucker. TV star, motherfucker, fuck that dude. Fuck Casey Dutton, there he goes. So the music's gonna have to be good enough. Yeah, that's just sort of the thing. That's all it is. It's just, it'll force you to work harder, but it's just, everybody's story's different. That's what makes it fun. If everybody had the same story, you know? Yeah. I mean, you're kind of the king of following your passion, right? You've done that. Yeah, I've been super lucky, you know? I just lucky that there's a job for all these things I like, you know? There wasn't. Well, there wasn't this one. Yeah. There was other people doing it already, but it wasn't a job for the longest time. It's kind of a fun story that me and my wife

16:05always joke around about, because like, one time she was taking the kit, where was all supposed to go to Disneyland, but I had to do this podcast. I'm like, she was like, you don't have to do it. I go, but I do. I do it every week. But it wasn't really making any money back then, but it was like, I promise people would be out. Like, I gotta do it. Now she's like, thank God, you didn't listen to me. It's just, I mean, I got lucky. I got lucky. I came in right at the right time. There was only a few people doing it back then, and I just did it for fun. It just thought that would be fun to do. Yeah. And then all of a sudden it became a job. Yeah. And with the UFC stuff, too. Yeah. That too. That was fun, too. Did you think that would become what it became? Yeah. When I first started doing it, it was in 1997, and it was in a high school auditorium in Dothin, Alabama, and we had to take a propeller plane to get there. And it was banned from cable, so you could only watch it on Direct TV. This was UFC 12. And wow.

17:05There was no one in the audience, and no one was watching it. And I was already on a TV show. It was on News Radio. And the people on News Radio, the actors and the producers, they were like, what are you doing? You're flying to go to cage fighting? It was almost like I was doing porn. You know what I'm saying? Where it's fucking snuff films or something. It's like, you're gonna ruin your life doing this. I was like, I don't know what you guys are talking about. This is what I've always wanted to say. I've always wanted to see all the best martial artists of different styles get together. Nobody ever did it. These guys are doing it. I'm gonna go. Yeah. I remember renting the first few from Blockbuster. Yeah. It was like BloodSport back. Oh yeah. Oh, it changed my life. I got UFC two was the first one. The first one wasn't available. You had to get two was the only one. And it was on VHS tape. And I had a buddy of mine who told me about it. He's like, dude, you gotta see this thing, man. He goes, they got these guys that fight in a cage. And this one dude's just choking everybody. And he's wearing a key. I was like, really? What is it? And then I watched it. I was like, holy shit.

18:07Yeah. I was hooked right away. I was like, they fucking did it. They actually did it. Because when I was a kid, everybody thought that if you did karate, you thought karate was the best. If you thought judo, you thought judo was the best. And nobody really knew what was the most effective martial art. Because nobody had ever put together anything like the UFC. So once it happened, I mean, it was just such a huge part of my life. I was like, I'm not going to not do this just because it's bad for my acting career. Like if my acting career goes away, I don't, you know, whatever. I'm only doing this for money anyway. So I'll just figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. You were the only person in LA with that mentality, by the way. I really served you well. Well, I wasn't supposed to be in LA. You know, I mean, I only came to LA for money. And I would have moved back. I was living in New York, and I did a show called Hardball, and that got canceled. And the only reason why I stayed is because I got a lease on an apartment. I was fully ready to get out of there. I was like, I got to get the fuck out of this place.

19:08I hated it. I hated being around actors. I hated being around producers and casting agents. I was like, these people are so fake. I was used to being around fighters and comedians and pool players. Like the rawest, funniest outcast of society. Like those were my people. I was used to cracking jokes with friends, and everybody was bustin' on each other, and everybody had a great sense of humor. Just silly weirdos. And then all of a sudden, I'm around these people that all had these predetermined things that they thought they should say, so they would say them. And everybody had, it was all group think. It was like, oh, this is fucking horrible. Yeah, I always say that felt like, when I lived in LA, I lived in LA for 16 years, and I don't wanna complain about it. I was obviously good to me, helped my life quite a bit, but it always felt like everybody was trying to become the same person, but they don't know who that person is. I'm like, can you just tell me who the person is? So I can, you know what I mean?

20:08There's like a memo that went out that I didn't get. Yeah, so nobody got that memo. They were all playing it by ear, you know? And it was all dependent upon what the producers and the casting agents wanted you to be. So everybody was sort of adapt. Whenever you got a place where everybody has the same politics, that's not a good sign. Like the something's gone wrong. And everybody has these progressive left-wing politics, regardless of whether or not any of their positions make sense, they all just sort of spit it out. Well, I think it's just that, there is sort of a desperation that gets bred from, I mean, these people left their families, they moved away, they left everything they've ever known and gave up a lot of comfort and security and love to follow this dream. Yeah. And so that dream becomes more and more and more important. You need it more and more because now you have nothing else. Yeah. You've given everything else up. And so I think at that point, you can sort of mold people into whatever. Oh, for sure. It ruins comics. Yeah.

21:08Because when comics start doing well, one of the first, as soon as they start getting on television, the first thing they start doing is tempering their material. They tone it down a little bit, take the edge off, don't say anything they can get you in trouble. And generally those are the funniest things. The funniest things are the things that could go terribly wrong and get you in trouble. So they do that, and then they become like an, I always call it the velvet prison because you get locked into that velvet prison. You get on TV, you get money, but also you become just one of everybody else. Yeah, it's hard not to do. I mean, that's where I'm at. I still have a boss. Yeah. My checks are written by a very specific company that I have to be careful sometimes. I know. You know, even doing this today, I'm like, just a little bit. I don't want to do that to you and sit here and police myself the whole time, but I gotta be like, just don't say this, are you? Right. Oh, yeah. No, I'm firmly aware of it. People come in here and I could see it in their face.

22:11Please don't bring up anything clearly. No transdog. No. For sure. Tell Darryl about that today. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, you know, a tricky situation. And the, the thing about LA too is everybody has to get picked for stuff. Yeah. It's not like even like music, like, especially like look at all of your Anthony. No music deal, no nothing. Just put something on YouTube. blows up. Yeah, that's a real in this day and age. That's a real thing. But in acting it's still you have to get chosen You have to get cast for something and just that weird thing alone where you're going into this thing and these people have to Approve you and most of the people that get involved in acting in the first place A lot of large percentage of them They did it because they didn't get enough attention when they were younger and this is like they Make up for well I'm pretty sure you know it's all the same kind of mindset like there's something about you that wants to be famous, right? There's once you know unless you like someone who's just in love with the craft of acting

23:16You know right which how could you be when you know? I made the decision that I wanted to be an actor when I was like five years old I didn't know what the craft of acting was my thing though honestly was I Loved movies so much. I think I just because I I I liked them more than my life You know, I wanted to live in the movie. I didn't know what making them would actually be like I didn't know what that career looked like I didn't know what acting was But I would go to the movie theater and want to be in it and I'd also see the guy and I don't know whatever the skill set was I was like whatever they're doing I think I can do that I think I have whatever that is and you know Thank God I was at least somewhat right alright be waiting tables in LA right now. Well, it's an interesting thing right because It's a craft that seems like you're just doing normal life Right like you're you're pretending but you're you're Acting in behaving in a way that people do act in behave like that's the key to it. It has to be believable

24:20Yeah, so most people watch it go. I can do that Yeah, this is normal life. They're acting like they're in normal life Right, but what you don't realize is that there's like a dude with a beard with a microphone in your face And 200 people standing around waiting for you to be done. So yeah, I can do their job again sip and coffee Right at their block Maybe you fuck up a line like oh Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's a weird gig man. It's a weird gig and it's not when most people think it is And you could tell that by like the masters the real masters, you know when you see like a Daniel De Lewis do it You're like okay, whatever he's doing. I'm not doing that. That's yeah, that's a fucking totally different thing Right this guy's in at some weird place where he becomes Gary Oldman becomes a different person every movie and you believe it Yeah, that's the real craft of it, right? We're like I fucking know that's Gary Oldman, right? But he's different and every now he's Dracula and I believe it. He's amazing both of those guys

25:23Amazing you ever watch that show slow horses. I love it. It's fucking great show. Yeah, it's really good It's a great show. I can't wait for the new season I've hooked so many told me about it and I was a little skeptical at first It's like all right, and you never see like a lead your your number one Right, a total piece of shit Yeah, except Tony's a Bruno. There you go. Yeah, yeah, that he was that was a weird show, right? Like the guy was a murderer in a thief and you love him. He loved him. He was so good Yeah, there's another guy Candle Fanny man, you fucking believed him and there wasn't acting like that in television yet No, that was like the first of its kind. Yeah, and even within that show He was doing something that one else was doing right and that's hard to that's hard to keep up for You know, you can if you do it for a film you're doing it for a couple months You know at that at that level of intensity, but to do that for seven years for months and months at a time is impossible Well, there was a danger in his eyes like a real danger like there's something about that dude

26:27Like that dude's got or while he was alive. He had Demons in his brain like you could tell right there was moments the these menacing moments where he was like threatening someone or doing something like That's coming from a real place That guy, you know, there's some guys who play tough guys in movies like I'm not buying it But with that guy you like oh, okay, there's this guy could kill somebody You don't want to piss him off in real life He's also out of fucking control, you know, you ever see the list of the things that he consumed before he died I have seen that it's bananas. Yeah, he was just off the rails crazy out of his fucking mind But I've seen the Hunter S Thompson one. Oh, dude. We narrated it. We read it and then this guy What was the dude? What's the guy's name that turned it into a song? There's a there's a dance song like a electric music dance song

27:30With me and my friend Greg Fitzsimmons were reading off Hunter S Thompson's like his daily routine with this beardy man Yeah, shout out to beardy man. It's pretty dope play it fuck it Can we we get in trouble We can what would happen we lose it's the right revenue changes and stuff like that for sure Yeah, don't play it. I'll listen to it after. Yeah, well, I'll send it to you, but it's It's a banana's routine and you know at the end of his life I'm a giant Hunter S Thompson fan as you can tell walking through all the artwork But at the end of his life like he couldn't even talk like he did an appearance once on Conan O'Brien and It to me was I want to satisfy his things like you could barely understand what he was saying He's just mumbling and When he was young he was so fucking smooth and articulate and interesting and fascinating and

28:31And it just drugs just drugs and booze just cooked his brain I'll have to do a deep dive on him. I've never read any of his stuff really. Oh, just read just start off with fear and loathing Okay, fear and loathing in Las Vegas was a he got a assignment to cover. I think it was a motorcycle race That was the job so I think it was for sports illustrator or something like that He got a job to just cover a race and he goes down there and just Brings every kind of fucking drug known to man drives through the desert and a convertible with his friend and just writes this insane book It's completely insane. It's nothing to do with this motorcycle race It's just all about the chaos of being out of your fucking mind in Vegas and it's brilliant It's so good. Check it out. Do you like Vegas? I mean I'm there a lot for fights and when I go we go to a restaurant

29:32I go play pool. I go to the fights. I don't do anything else So it's like for me. It's like yeah, there's great restaurants, you know, the fights are awesome. I love doing that so it's like but There's something about it where I ever every time I go there I'm like could I live here like I was actually talking to my friend Tony Angeliff about it this past weekend We were just there for the fights and I was saying like what if I was because you know kill Tony's is gigantic Show now. It's huge. He sells out arenas all over the country with it. It's on Netflix and I was saying like what if a A Vegas casino offered you a fucking pile of money. Would you do you think you could ever live here and we're just sitting there He's like, I don't know. I don't want to do it I can do it because I think it's like sleeping next to a vampire Like even if you know that the vampires in the other room You're not going to bite your neck. It's like he's right there You know, I don't think it's good for you. Vegas to me is like you know when you you have a big night out on a certain type of booze

30:34And you get sick and then anytime you drink that booze after that that's Vegas Right, it's my land in Vegas. I'm like, I just feel gross Because I remember the last time I was there or the first time Yeah, it's I think the people that live outside of Vegas like people live in Henderson and places like that They love it because it's really nice out there. Like you go out to the outskirts of Vegas There's beautiful neighborhoods and nice communities and like great stores and restaurants and stuff It's nice, but you're still next to the death star, right? It's like this big neon fucking vacuum just sucking people's money out of them. I've never been off the strip Maybe I should try that out. Yeah. Yeah, there's a there's this great restaurants and great neighborhoods like It's it's fine outside, but the reason why they're there is because of the death star like that's what brings everybody there You know everybody's there to just lose all their money. Yeah, make really bad decisions Yeah, like I eat my all my friends who gamble when I would go there with them. I go look at this place

31:35Yeah, big it is. How do you think they got that money suckers like you? This isn't like a fair exchange like they're giving you goods and you're giving them money No, this is like they're giving you this like crazy Proposition where you think you're gonna play blackjack and win a billion dollars like yeah And if you win too much money, they kick you out. Did you ever gamble? Was that ever no no no no no not really I mean, I've bet some money on fights of I've played blackjack a few times But I've never lost any real money, but my friend Dana white. He's a fucking degenerate like a crazy degenerate I went to visit him recently So he was at Red Rocks Casino and Couple my other buddies were there so we showed up and went into the blackjack room and he was there and when I got there He was down six hundred thousand dollars when I got there and Was a normal night for him and he wasn't even nervous. He was like, hey, what's up? You take me like shaking my hand give me a hug all these other people are there and I got fucking massive anxiety

32:39Yeah, I was like crazy How are you and then so him and Jamie was there too and him and Taylor Luan the football player he he coaches Taylor how to how to play blackjack and so they got together He's tells them when to hit and when not to hit and they did it right next to us within five minutes Taylor was down 125,000 dollars. She was like, what are you doing man? Yeah, I know she nervous Just think he got up and then they quit so he quit ahead I think he won like a hundred grand they quit you know to move on the back of that because you can bet more per hand That's what they're doing now. Yeah, it's like that the 500k per hand or something like that. Which one's backer at how do you play that? I've tried to watch it. I don't really quite understand. It's apparently not hard You bet you're betting on the dealer or the player Is that the big long table with all the I don't understand it. It's not like it's not as long as like roulette So Dana's on to that now or Taylor. I think that room. They've pushed him all to the back right So you can gamble more

33:44His mainlining the gamble now he told a story on I think it was Was it flagrant it was flagrant where he talked about losing like six million dollars in one night Yeah, what yeah, that's my theory about slap fight while they're doing slap fight. I think it's Dana's gambling money That's what I think I think it's like it needs some source of revenue outside of the UFC So it doesn't lose his UFC money. That's tough to watch man. I don't watch it. Yeah, I've watched a couple clips Sorry Dana. I know yeah, but it's tough to watch I don't like it. People getting brain damage over and over again. Yeah, it's not my thing. I don't get it It's and it's all like the saddest people getting whacked in the head It's not a good thing not good. Yeah They call it fights, too Okay, I mean I guess you should come up with another name. It's kind of insulting to an actual fight, right, but That's my theory is that that's his gambling money because that fucking dude gambles because I asked him once I go You like living here goes I love the action

34:49He's a good friend of mine, but he's a different person than me. I'm not that's not me Yeah, if I lived in Vegas, I'd live way outside of Vegas and even then I don't think I could do it Because we've talked about you know, we have a comedy club in town the comedy mother ship And we talked about doing another mother ship somewhere and the two Most likely places that we would be able to do it are New York and Vegas So we talked about doing one in Vegas, but I was like Man, the only way it would work is I'd have to be there a lot like we'd have to be there a lot and we'd have to You know, we'd have to make sure that it's run right that let's like run with the same vibe that we run in here Where everybody's cool. There's no assholes. Everybody's real friendly and real supportive of new comedians and Then I'd have to spend a lot of time there. I'm like, I don't want to do that. Right Wouldn't New York be like returning to where you cut your teeth or something? Is that where you started? Yeah, I mean I started in Boston, but I did spend a lot of time in New York New York would be a better option really because there's a lot more talent there in in order to have a really good comedy club you can't

35:55You can't just started like you can't just go like to Columbus, Ohio or Cincinnati or I guess Columbus That's like a little bit of a scene, but you would have to have a real scene with like real headliners and a like Top-level talent right and the way we were able to pull it off in Austin is everybody moved here during the pandemic Like me and Tony moved brown white moved here first and then me and Tony moved here And then once we started doing shows We were talking all our friends in LA and LA would shut down during the pandemic and so everybody just kind of moved out here at least Temporarily because comedians are junkies like they want to go on stage and and It was taken away from them for a year and a half in LA couldn't perform in in LA for a year and a half Made no fucking sense and out here. We were just doing shows like in November of 2020 I like it was indoor shows and supersprider shows and and so because of that I forgot about that word Tom Segera moved here Christina Pazitsky moved here Tim Dylan moved here. It's just like out Shane Gillis moved here

36:59It was like we had so many like national headliners. We could pull off a club. Yeah, but you have to have that kind of thing Where it's not just the weekends, but you have to have like Tuesday shows Wednesday shows It's has to be like a lot of people around that you could have a show with the infrastructure. Yeah, I randomly lived in Austin during COVID. Oh really? My wife and I we got married in November of 2019 She's from Brazil and I'm from Ohio so we had no There was nowhere where we were gonna live or it was gonna feel like home But we you know, I'd lived in LA for 16 years. I was ready to get out We wanted to start a family somewhere else and we didn't know where to go so we came here And December of 2019 and we had the best two months ever and then everything shut down and we're stuck in an apartment don't know anybody and You know, it didn't really get a fair shake We loved it while it was going and then yeah, I did about two months of lockdown Couldn't do it anymore and then we bought an airstream and just started traveling around and then I had to be in Montana for work for Yellowstone

38:06And we parked the airstream up there and never left. Oh, wow Montana's fucking awesome. It's so great. It's so beautiful A last time I was there was in the summer. Well actually last time I was there. I was hunting with Bourdain Who went fes and hunting there that was pretty cool. Oh, yeah Yeah, I was one of the last times I saw them but part. Oh, I forgot I forgot where we were And I'm pretty sure I flew into Boseman, but I think we're outside of Billings Okay, I forget um, but The in the summer there is insane. Yeah, perfect. It's so beautiful Everything's green and you see the mountains and we heard wolves howling one one one night and you see elk herds Just chilling on the side of a hill like god this place is magical and it doesn't get dark till like 11 at night Right. Yeah, it's very confusing to know like when to eat dinner because you're just like it's light for so long But then in the wintertime the you know, the exchanges it gets dark at 4.30 p.m. Right

39:09But yeah, we love it man. It's the best thing that's ever happened for me I've just sort of like all the LA stuff we were talking about Mm-hmm. It's the opposite of that the opposite. There's I have no FOMO about anything anymore You know, oh, that's great. I can just think and sleep and read and watch films and it's the best Yeah, well your show made a lot of fucking people move out there though. That's true Yeah, and they're not happy about it the valley that I live in We had some people come visit us our friends California drove out and we went on a hike and We were in their car and that you know cali plates and we get off the hike and someone had written go back in the dust on their car Like people are super weird about so I don't tell anyone like exactly where I'm at because they would get really mad at me Dude that happened in 2012. I was hunting in Montana. We went to the Missouri breaks and We We were going to this restaurant and one of the guys in the restaurant had he had his car parked outside And it was like a rental car and someone had wrote go back home

40:12You know like Montana's for Montana's or something like that. They wrote it in the dirt Right, which is dumb because if they have the plate they clearly aren't living there, you know, right? Yeah They're going back. Yeah, but it's just retards. You're gonna get retards in every state Like if you have a hundred people one of them's a fucking idiot sure, right? And if you got a town of you know X amount of a hundred thousand people You're gonna have a good amount of fucking dumb houses for sure. Those are the ones like this is our place We own it. This is our dirt Meanwhile someone moved there at some point exactly, you know Yeah, somewhere along the line someone move there and all you did was stay exact you didn't do anything that cool Exactly, you know, and exactly exactly and that one guy I can't go to bars there anymore because whatever that one idiot is Is at the bar of course and he can't wait to start a fight with me Just like can't wait to do it because like it's a win-win for him You know, he gets to sue me or something. I don't know, you know, but it's a lose-lose for me So well, it's just like his life is empty and it's like all of a sudden there's purpose and he's like you ruin Montana

41:14Fuck off, right. Yeah, or my favorite is when they call people colonizers That's my favorite like bro if you don't live in Ethiopia Someone in your ancestor was a colonizer. Oh hundred percent period. Yeah, we don't have to come from somewhere Also, isn't it like the most American thing ever is that I can choose where I want to live Yeah, that should be celebrated. It should be yeah The idea that we were here first those are the same idiots that hate when a band become successful Because like oh, I knew them when they were underground now they sold out. Yeah It's just a moron mentality. Yeah, it's gonna have that no matter where you go But Montana's are like fiercely proud of being from Montana. Yeah, they'll always tell you what generation they are Right That's so silly. Yeah And I'm not Montana, but my son will be Yeah, you can say that he is right right. It's like an anchor baby Yeah, he could go fly fishing and no one's gonna give him a hard dog. That's right. I was born here

42:15Okay, yeah, you're good. You got a haul pass Yeah, but like people that live in like that yellow stone place, you know that um yellow stone club Yeah, that place like those are like fake montannans to montannans everybody who lives up there And he was saying I don't want to fuck anybody would live up there like because it's awesome. Yeah, it's wrong with you It's still Montana like let it go right they just had some problem with uh sewage being dumped into the river or something like the yellow stone club. Oh god Yeah, the locals were very angry and I don't know if that's locals like making some stuff up to sort of cause a problem But they were saying that they were finding sewage from the Yellow Stone Club in the in the local river there. Whoa Yeah, I have to look that up. Oh, whoa. Yeah, that's not good That's the problem with rich people Rich people like fuck everybody else. I haven't been to that place, but I heard it's awesome and the views I mean, I've seen photographs of it. God the fucking views there insane. Yeah, I have multiple friends that live in Montana and The thing about it is like everybody will tell you like when you're surrounded by those mountains and you look out at them every day

43:22It like centers you and it humbles you That's exactly right. It's like the most spectacular natural art you're ever gonna see It's around you all the time and I drink my coffee every morning looking out the window and it looks like a painting and it never gets old You know if they if we need to go to the grocery store. I'll do it because it's so fun to drive there You know you get out you put some tunes on it's the best thing ever versus like living in LA to go anywhere was the worst thing ever right Yeah, everything's a pleasure up there, man. It's really it's something But if you if you if you need any sort of like fast pace or socialization or if you're like trying to meet a babe or something There's no people do yeah, I get that there's a little of that in Austin. They're upset that the Californians moved here Yeah, they were upset. There were a lot of people blamed me And Elon sure they blamed us for moving here and ruined in Austin like Sorry, we made it more awesome. I mean fucking pussy. Just shut your mouth

44:23It's it's all the same thing. It's like people that want credit for being here first like fuck off Now you have more restaurants way more comedy. There's like seven comedy clubs on my street now on the street where my club is There's seven comedy clubs now. That's amazing It's like one of the the big hubs of live comedy in the world now. Did it have it at all before it had a couple places There was a place called cap city that actually went under before the pandemic Or actually like right at the beginning of the pandemic when I got here it was for sale And so I was looking at that place to buy it and but it didn't work out And then there was another there's another place that's been around forever called the Velvita room It's a real small room. I think it seats like a hundred or so And then you know, I think there was maybe a couple other bars that maybe had comedy And there was like a small scene of some comedians But nothing like what it is now because not even not even comparable. I mean, there's like 17 18 world-class comics that live here now. Wow. It's crazy And talk about stage fright. I think that is that would be the hardest art form

45:27Just kidding. You have no help. There's nothing to hide behind right there's no music right there's like It's just silence and you and a microphone. You can't just get into your tune and fucking just play close your eyes Now there was a there was a film actually one time and I was attached to to play a stand-up comedian And I I promised the director that if we got our funding and got the green light to go that I'd go do it That I'd actually go out and like work up 15 minutes and just you know do it until I understood what it was like And that movie fell through and I was very very happy Because I didn't want to do it. It's hard. I bet man. It's it's Confusing because the people are just talking you like why is that hard to do everybody talks You know like everybody could tell a story everybody could and it seems easy to do until you do it And then you're like oh this is but I was hooked right away because right I sucked the first night that I bombed But I was like I got a couple of laughs on some things and I was like

46:29I think I can figure this out But I was like I said I was more scared than when I was fighting I was more scared before like a big fight It was weird. I was like why am I nervous? I didn't make any sense. My friend Whitney Cummings explained to me She said people of this fear of public speaking because in tribal societies Back in the day the only time you spoke in front of a large group of people was when you're being judged Because they were going to kill you. Oh, interesting. Right. Yeah. Don't that make sense? Yeah. Yeah So like if you're front of all the people they're all like What did you do? You know, so you have to like guys. I didn't steal the tomatoes Yeah, never thought about that. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, no place to hide man I don't know that that sounds scary and especially if like it starts going bad like you start to bomb Is there is there any way out of that or is it people have recovered? Yeah The people have started off bombing and then pulled themselves out of it I've done it a couple of times most of the time when I'm bombing I'm bombing forever

47:31Like but going down But the there's a good to that right the good is you have to reexamine your material and you Every time in my career in the like the early days when I bombed I always got way better afterwards Because I was like whatever the fuck that was. I don't want to experience that again And I really focused and really really wrote like crazy and went over recordings and buttoned down and trimmed things And change things around and You need losses losses are very important. They're important in fighting. They're important in they're all important in They're important in life like One of my kids just had a breakup recently and I had a conversation with her I go I know this sucks, but this is actually important like it has to happen And I told her like about like first time a girl broke up with me when I was 17. I was devastating Oh, it's good. I couldn't believe my life was over. I'm only 17 I can I'm never gonna recover. I'm like it's so important because you realize like

48:31Has time passes you understand that this is just a moment in time and there's other people you're gonna me and lie And it's just you have to develop some resiliency some emotional resiliency, right? And so you have to experience that and you also have to realize that You know people They don't know what they're doing either like boys don't know what they're doing girls Don't know what they're doing. They're kind of figuring out as they go along The people break up and they make up and these are these lessons that you have to learn in life And loss is important because it makes you understand like why this person gets sick of me Why am I annoying why you know what you know am I selfish? Like what is it? What is wrong with me? You know why you know why am I picking these people that are gonna break my heart? Why don't I adjust? Why don't I like maybe I should spend some time alone and figure out what the fuck is wrong with me or figure out who I am and those Moments where you have to kind of go through things and figure them out. They're so important for you in life And for a comic bombing can oftentimes be one of the best like

49:35Motivating factors to take you to another level in your career. Mm-hmm or Rec your confidence forever. Right. Just like fighting. Yeah. I was gonna say it happens to fighters. Oh, yeah Some fighters lose and they're never the same again And some fighters lose and then a new version of them emerges in the next fight You're like whoa this dude dialed in who would be a good example of that Charles Oliveira. Oh, yeah Yeah, he's the best example of it because for the longest time everybody thought he was a quitter Like he would just break and now he's like want to scare his mother fuckers alive Yeah, you know, let's bet this last weekend the fight with Max Holloway like good lord Like Max Holloway was a two-to-one favorite in that fight and he got shut out Yeah, like literally every round was a dominant performance by Oliveira. It was crazy It's funny people complaining about that fight too. It's like the because it was on the ground right. Yeah, yeah my daughter complained about it So the mean amount was so boring You're a casual kids a casual a lot of slugfest. Don't they? Oh, yeah, they do they do they do. They do love a slugfest. Yeah, but

50:41You know, that's that's the sport the sport is like sometimes it's gonna be exciting and sometimes it's just gonna be a ground battle But for me was exciting because I was trying to figure out whether Max could get up What he could do to prevent from getting taken down and whether or not He could figure out a way to reverse the position and get on top and You know when you're watching like a guy dominate a world champion like that. It's just You're in marvel. You're like wow, this is crazy. I can't believe he's able to do this. This is nuts I wish I would have started jujitsu when I was small Because I tried like you know late 30s and I was like it was kind of like the golf thing where I was like Well, first of all, it's way cooler than golf But I was like the amount of time is gonna take me until this doesn't feel like being smothered Yeah, it's gonna be a long time and I don't know if I have I should I don't know if I can start now You know, I'm sure. Yeah, like it's well how long would it take for like a grown person until it until you actually know what's going on intuitively and it doesn't feel like chaos

51:44Well, there's there's layers of knowing intuitively like there's guys like even as a black belt There's guys that I could roll with and I would just get humiliated Yeah, cuz they're just so much better than I am like my friend Gordon Ryan that's his belt up there Abu Dhabi chocolate. He's the greatest of all time like in these 30. Yeah, the greatest grappling that's ever lived That looks like fun man. He's a fricking amazing, but he trains 365 days a year. He does not take breaks off Christmas fuck you it's your birthday fuck you happy Easter fuck you Yeah, he trains every day and he trains like twice a day three times a day It's like that is the only way to be the greatest and You know and he's obviously a lot bigger than me But it's not the best example But he does that to heavyweight black belts just humiliates them They have no he brights down on a piece of paper what he's gonna do to them and hands it to the judges before the fight So he's like I'm gonna try and go this guy like that's great. He's doing it to world champions Amazing like guys who have been like multiple time world champions

52:46Wow, and he's just predicting what he's gonna do And then he passes on every submission until he can get him in that like he's having fun But he's like he's playing with his food, you know, so this levels to stuff So to be competent in rolling you can get there in a couple of years Depending on how long for you train like Bourdain got really serious at 58 Wow at 58 that's when he started that's when he started yeah, oh When I first met him he wasn't training at all When I first met him He came to the UFC his wife was really into the UFC and she was she had just started doing jiu-jitsu and She was getting him into the sport and he really got interested in it And then she took him to jiu-jitsu classes like fuck this is actually kind of fascinating And he had never done any kind of athletic things in his whole life And then like when he was 60 is a photo of him like in his 60s And he's walking on the street with this he had gotten divorced and he was dating some new girl And he's got the six pack and he looks shredded and when I when I first met him

53:48He's like goy and he had a thumb ring and he was like, you know a chef and you know It was into drinking and he just became a jiu-jitsu addict and he was training every fucking day And sometimes twice a day we'd do a private lesson and then we'd take a class every day wow Yeah, he got a and then he he told me he was taking his like when we were hunting in Montana He we were on the ground in Montana He wanted to like learn some stuff. So I was explaining him Certainly like I'm like when you go for a darts. There's a way to get there's a thing called the Japanese necktie And I was explaining to him on the dirt. I was like you guys all camoed out doing jiu-jitsu on the ground But he was like he was so interested in it was he was like constantly asking questions And he had guys that were in the crew that it also got interested in jiu-jitsu because of him So like while he was there filming his show He also went down and was training. He found a local jiu-jitsu gem and he went down there and trained What was that he would train everywhere on the road? Yeah, he would go to like foreign countries and train

54:49Like you didn't even speak the language and you know He's just fucking famous guy from TV And he's just rolling in there with like normal people and getting strangled 58 man, that's incredible. I have no excuse. I'm gonna start. Yeah, yeah I want to put it in front of my kid for sure. Oh definitely. I mean as soon as he can do it I want him to try you know it's if he likes it or not But it's like I feel like it's one of those things It's so good to connect with other people in that way from such a young age to give you confidence and then If you if you love it if he has a passion for it You don't have to worry about him becoming a drug addict or something because you can't be both like right You know, there's a few things where like you can't be both you've got to really give that everything also It becomes like a real source of confidence for kids if they know that they can fight like they can avoid fights People won't want to fight them because they'll have a reputation. They can it's very good to know It's also like you can get out of things just by knowing how to fight Because you know like what people are doing what they're not doing you don't

55:49Say anything stupid because you're trying to trick a person to thinking that you're a tough guy It's a quiet confidence it comes with these guys and also if something does happen Most people have zero idea of how to fight right zero And they think they're just gonna swing and hit in the face and you see all this shit coming way before it happens Like you see them moving the right foot back like oh god, yeah, here we go Like it's it's like they're playing a game But they don't even know the rules like they don't even know the skill they don't know anything But they've seen it on TV and they think they're gonna be able to pull it off especially if they're drunk Oh, yeah, there's a whole uh Instagram channel that's uh dedicated to fights on six street here have you seen this? It's amazing dude. It's incredible. You can just watch it for hours. I've seen a bunch. Yeah A lot of them taking place right in front of my club fights on a street are so scary because guys fall and they hit their head That's that's that's how people die If people die where they get punched in the jaw and they go out and they just bang their head off the ground

56:50Or there's a lot of people out there that'll when you're already out step on your head. Oh, yeah, we see that a lot Yeah, that's it be I don't understand anyone who has the impulse to do that Right, that's crazy to me like if you've won the fight already move on. Yeah, that's that's scary stuff That's evil. There's a lot of some people that get red with rage And we lose their mind and then they wind up a jail for the rest of their life and then just sit in a cell going what the fuck One night drunk doing something stupid and now I'm here forever. Yeah, it's crazy and there's someone's dead And someone's dead someone's parents are crying and someone's Missing their father like fuck yeah, because he looked at my girlfriend. Yeah, that's crazy I know people are retarded. Yeah, the best thing about fighting is it teaches you not to fight Very few of my friends that know how to fight have ever been in street fights. It's almost never happens. Mm-hmm. It's just like It's just such a stupid thing to do how many times in your life if you had to use it like practically in a real life

57:50Never really never not since I was in like high school I've been I've never been in a fight fight like an actual fights in high school. I avoid them. Yeah, I'm not like if I find No, I can fuck you up and I could just get away. I'm like I just get away. I don't need to prove Like right. What's the point? Also, here's the thing people always say oh if I could fight I'd fuck people up a great and then they're gonna come back and kill you, you know And then they're gonna run you over or shoot you or don't be stupid like it's it's pointless. It's pointless You know, I've had situations where I thought I was gonna have to fuck somebody up and I didn't But you have to have self-control you have to you know, you have to be able to know and also like most people Like if they want to fight you all you have to do is kind of like put your hands up and move a little bit Like they're not gonna be able to do anything. They'll be swinging and you just like come on What are we doing here? Yeah, what are we doing? And it's it's the only time people get hurt is when you engage Like you're both swinging at each other If someone's swinging at you and they don't know what they're doing They have almost no chance of hurting me

58:52Like zero unless I'm asleep Unless I'm really drunk. You're almost zero chance of hitting me right unless you really know what to do If you're really not a fight most of those people are really not a fight aren't fighting people anyway Yeah, and I'm not gonna provoke anybody. I'm not gonna start a fight So it's like I mean, I know a few of my friends that have had to fuck people up Gordon had to beat the fuck out of a homeless guy in Austin. Yeah, no way Oh, yeah, some homeless guy he picked the wrong boy And Gordon tried to get out of it, but the guy wouldn't he put him to sleep Wow Put him sleep and then call the cops the cops came and picked the guy up Emiliates oh my kids are the wrong guy, but that shows you how fucking stupid people are because Gordon's a gorilla He's this big giant 240 pound jack dude who's uh, you know I don't know how many time jiu jitsu world champion and some fucking idiot Right, you know probably high out of his mind. Yeah drugs are bad fight with them

59:53I think he picked a fight with his girlfriend first I think he fucked with his girlfriend and fuck with another guy and just a problem This some guys are just nuts man. Yeah, and you know mental health issues and But fights are stupid. They're they're so pointless I mean organized fights. It's a different thing. I mean, that's High-level problem solving with dire physical consequences That's what I call it. That's what a real fight is like a like both agree. We're gonna make a certain weight We're gonna meet in September 7th. Here it is. That's a different thing. It's a beautiful thing It's like a chess match and you can't breathe, you know Crazy. Yeah, it's a way to put it. Yeah, but in chess the pieces can only move a certain way right and jiu jitsu It's nuts as there's like so many different variations and then you add in striking and wrestling and like oh my god It's so car. I love it. I I'll never get tired of watching MMA It's the most exciting thing ever for me. I like other sports like I've really grown to love football since I moved to Texas And I can watch a good basketball game baseball's hard

1:00:55But to me it's all just Down time unless fights are on right it fights around. I'm not watching anything else like I've been at football games Like at UT games with the UFC on my phone sitting there while watching the UFC Man, I wish I have football in V. I went to a Christian school in Ohio and we didn't have a football team and I feel like if you don't like Grow up around it in high school. You just don't understand like the nuance. I understand the rules and I get it But I just I don't know I don't love it like people do and I wish I did I wish it did the stakes just I don't understand it I don't understand The team sport thing as much as I do like I love MMA. I love watching UFC because it's like the stakes are so high Something about one-on-one who's the better person today, you know, that's you know, you can't there's no one to blame it on Right, it's just one person. It's a different thing like I Have grown to love it living here my wife is a big football fan and so she got me into it And then I've gone to a bunch of UT games and they're fucking fun man and it's like

1:01:58When someone scores a touchdown everybody wins like the whole team she like the whole audience like 80,000 people Yeah, and there's something to that right because like when fighters fight and someone gets knocked out like people cheer and it's exciting But like you know, you never know who's like if you're watching just engage you fight max hallway I don't know who's for just engage you who's from max hallway you look out there like everybody's wearing UT colors, right? Or they're wearing, you know, Oklahoma colors like it's like you've got your colors Everybody you've got your outfits everybody's pumped they they cheer when this guy scores they boo and that guy scores It's like more of a team everybody wins together. Yeah, whereas like with MMA, you know, you there's There's it's like you're just watching an individual. You're appreciating an individual who's a rare human being type of human being that become a becomes a guy could become an MMA world champion That is a truly special human like the amount of dedication and draw and the amount of focus and discipline and the courage

1:03:03That you have to have to get in your fucking underwear and stand there with a cup on with little tiny pads on your gloves in front of another Savage like another train killer who's been training for 18 weeks for this one moment and they bolt the door shut to the cage And then the referee goes fight are you ready? Why are you ready? Let's go crazy and then the whole world is watching you surrounded by 20,000 people and Lights and cheering and you you're trying to keep your shit together and you're getting kicked and How do you sleep the night before that that would be my thing? I don't think I could I wouldn't be able to sleep It's hard. I would go is get sick. I would get sick before tournaments because I wasn't sleeping right I was training really hard and I didn't even take vitamins back then. I was a dumbass But because I was young I stopped fighting when I was 22 But for a lot of these guys it is hard It's really hard to just relax and then they grow to learn how to relax And then then it's really scary and then it's really hard to beat them because you a lot of guys are terrified before they even get Like Anderson Silva in his prime

1:04:05He would win fights at the weigh-ins because they would just like look at him And he would be standing there staring at you and you're like oh my god have to fight this guy tomorrow Oh my what have I done? Why am I doing this with my life? Imagine doing that stare down Mike Tyson back. Oh god. That'd be the most terrifying. Oh dude It was it was there would be guys look they were gonna faint while the referee was giving them instructions You know, I remember he fought Bruce Seldon and Bruce Seldon who was a beast man He's a fucking tank of a man and he looked like he was gonna faint During the stare down. I can't imagine. Yeah. Yeah, he was the scariest of all time. He was he was absolutely the scary Of all time the scariest boxer that I've ever seen in my life and there was a period of time between like 1986 and like Probably like around 1990 where he was just fucking running through everybody It was so you would buy the pay-per-view knowing that the guy was gonna get knocked out and hoping that you get your money's worth Because you a little pay-per-view is like whatever it was 50 bucks or something

1:05:05You know like if it's like 30 seconds like ah There's bullshit People would get upset that the the pay-per-view is so quick But they mean that's what you were that's what you're signing up for and those kind of guys I mean when you got a guy that's got every box checked Discipline focus training genetics everything all together mindset Oh, right. He would beat guys like long before they ever got in there because they knew that they were they were fighting this demon This guy that just was so much better than everybody else and you there's no way you could catch up to him No, is it true about his wasn't it like His trainer died and then it kind of he lost the whole yeah Well his trainer was custom motto and custom motto was a legendary figure in boxer He trained Floyd Patterson Jose Torres he trained like a lot of like a legit world champions

1:06:08and he was also a hypnotist and He adopted what yeah, he was a hypnotist. Yeah, well, he was really into the mental side of fighting he was more almost like as much of a psychologist as he was a boxing trainer was all about tempering their mind and getting them ready like he would tell Mike Tyson you don't exist only the task exists Would say crazy shit to him and he adopted him when he was 13 so Mike was 13 and he Came from Bedford style and Brooklyn's horrible neighborhood. So his whole life was like crime and violence and no love and Terrible and then also in this man took him under his wing who was also a legendary figure in boxing legendary like he was like he was the guru and Oh, you know, he he basically it was like the perfect storm and then he was also His manager was this guy Jim Jacobs and Jim Jacobs was not just a manager He was an historian of boxing and he had this incredible library of all the great fighters

1:07:11So he would watch film you know like fucking Those right he like I have a projection screen and he would watch film of like Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchle and you know Sandy Sadler and all these great fighters from back in the day Roberto Durán He would have to sit there and absorb all these amazing fights and when you can walk like that's one of the great things about today Like especially with MMA Like if you look at the fights from 1993 and the fights from To 2026 the skill levels like magnitudes greater because all these guys have grown up watching all these fights now Because from the time that MMA existed it was on television You could watch it on YouTube after that And it was like there was always fights that you could see so you could see what guys were doing So you had an understanding of the level so kids would grow up imitating their favorite fighters You know grow up you know imitating John Jones and imitating Kane Velasquez and all these guys and you You you could absorb a lot just by seeing the elite level of these guys

1:08:16And Mike Tyson was one of the only guys back then that had that ability interesting because he had this immense library of the greatest fights of all time And so he would be training with one of the greatest trainers that ever lived Was probably the greatest psychological trainer that ever lived also the guy was hypnotizing him at 13 Programming him to be this destruction machine and then he was watching fights So he's watching all these guys jack johnson and all these like great old school champions and jack Dempsey and like and he just absorbed it all Incredible and he would get into that ring with fucking no socks on and no robe and just like a throwback He was like one he was like he absorbed the energy of those old great fighters the sugar ray robinson's and the hardcore old school guys who'd fight like once a week once every two weeks Dude is that often they were doing oh they're fought so many times. I think before Sugar ray robinson ever lost to fight. He was 90 and oh something crazy like that. Wow. Yeah

1:09:20Just some 90 fucking crazy. Whoa. Just crazy. Yeah, that's wild does and you to be able to watch that kind of stuff when you're young you absorb it You know sure. It's like kids that play instruments now. Sure. I mean you'll see an eight year old online Who's better than any drummer in the 70s right? It's crazy. That's just how quick they can how quickly they can get better now Oh, yeah, because they have access to everyone all the time. Mm-hmm. So cool. I would imagine that's like that with all sports now But you know like you can like you could go back and want if you're a basketball player You can go back and watch Jordan you watch Larry bird you can watch You know LeBron Kobe watch all these great basketball players and see what they're doing whereas If you were young, you know in the 60s or 70s like you only got to see the people you saw Yeah, you were as good as the people you were around Which is why it was so important to be a part of like a great program in high school in college Because then you'd be around like and then you go to the states and see how these guys are doing all these guys are better than us Like I remember that from wrestling like the only time when I was wrestling in high school the only time you get to see like really good guys

1:10:25You'd go somewhere else like I was I went to school in Newton Newton South High School And we had good wrestlers in our program and I thought they were good until I would go to the states and you go Oh my god these fucking guys there these kids are going to camps every year They were wrestling 365 days a year. They're like obsessed with it And then if you go to like Iowa or somewhere like that like good lord It's a fucking religion there. I mean they've been doing that since they were babies. They've been yeah, you know, it's like You you You absorb what you see and you your brain Rises to the level of the competition that you see the last time I was really into a boxer was Loma Oh, I love watching him. Oh, he's got a cool story too. It didn't his dad make him do ballet for a while Ukrainian dance for two years pulled him out of boxing for two years that guy moves like it doesn't look real Right like people shouldn't be able to move like that the matrix. They're beautiful Yeah, he would do footwork that no one had even considered doing before The movement the slipping to the side and the angles and the his ability to change direction was crazy

1:11:29Because he would be here and then he'd be here and then you're swinging and he's here and he's hitting you And he also was way smaller than everybody He was way smaller than everybody like he was supposed to be a hundred twenty six pound fighter And he went all the way up to the hundred and forty pound division. Are there like a lot of younger guys doing that Sort of style now coming up or is it is that like a one-off? It's kind of a one-off Usic does it, but Usic was trained by Loma Chanko's father. Oh, they were trained by the same guy Okay, Usic is essentially like a heavyweight Loma Chanko. That's why he moves so much dangerous That guy's a freak. He's a freak. He's a he's a pleasure to watch Watching that guy. I mean, he's beating guys that are so much bigger than him When when he beat Tyson Fury Tyson Fury was like 280 pounds And he's like a cruiserweight He was really a 200 pound guy that blew up to to compete against heavyweights He's much smaller than those guys But he was so fast and so and just his under his pattern recognition is understanding of boxing

1:12:30It's just elite like so many levels above everybody else Yeah, and he's 38. I get 38. You're supposed to be done. I suppose yeah No, 3080s in his fucking prime Amazing also clean life clean living like serious Christian like very very religious You know doesn't doesn't party doesn't fuck around You know and just trains with like rigid discipline. Yeah, that Soviet style discipline the Ukrainian discipline Like those guys like their program over there like you see it like in Dimitri Beval and a lot of the other like Soviet style boxers They have like a very comprehensive technical program that they put their fighters under There's a style like be balls the the best example of that style It's such a fucking difficult style because it's so movement-based And a lot of like American fighters were kind of rigid in their footwork and moving forward Just trying to land the big shots and like be balls just moving around you all the time popping you and like, oh Yeah, sort of like the daggestanie guys and in a man

1:13:32Same thing. Oh, yeah, you're not gonna beat those guys because it's all they do brother if eat and breathe it They're in moitai now. There's this kid that I'm obsessed with. He's 22 years old his name is Asadula Emangaz Aliyev, I don't want to fuck it up Asadula Emangaz Aliyev he's a fucking freak man He's 22 years old and he's destroying world champions in moitai just killing them He's daggestanie. Yeah, oh wow. So the daggestanie is taking over striking. No good. Well those guys nuts, man He's so fluid too. It's it's nuts to watch him man Is like he like he moves like nobody else moves and he's real tall for the weight class So you can't even get close to him. He's fucking you up from the outside and just this is the guy That's this this guy is a fucking freak man He's just doing things different than everybody else Wow, and he's destroying people just destroying everyone everyone he fights

1:14:37He's so unusual man And again, he's from a hard part of the world man You know you grow up in some fucking soft neighborhood and your dad takes you to karate classes No chance you gotta fight this fucking dude. This guy's fighting for his dinner He's just merking people It's also he comes from a culture that like reveres combat sports You know they have their their champions guys like islamakachev Kabeb never come out off like their legends over there. Yeah, you know and everybody grows up wanting to be one of those guys Where was fador from he's from russia is he oh yeah, he was the first watching him growing up man It was the first so I used to watch him before auditions really Yeah, there was just something about his like mindset whereas like his his he was so even keel Yeah, it's no like yeah, it's like his heart rate didn't change or something even when he won He'd just be like yeah walk off like that. Yeah, yeah, his expression never changed. Yeah, yeah He was one of the all-time greats if not the all-time great

1:15:37He was different than everybody else and he was a heavyweight that could submit you he could knock you out He was fast. He wasn't big. I mean, he was like 5-11 very unassuming. Yeah, you wouldn't know he was the most dangerous guy Belly fat little he didn't give a fuck what he looked like He was all about how he could perform right, you know, and he was a part of Like that era where MMA emerged and in Japan It was so much bigger than it was in America during the pride days when Fedor was running shit There was 90,000 people in those arenas. Yeah, they were doing like the Tokyo Superdome They were doing these gigantic arenas and like everyone was a fan in the country And then it all went away Because the the Akusa was involved and there was a big scandal and you know and like MMA was bigger in Japan than it was anywhere in the world And it just kind of like fizzled out. Did you ever go to any of those in Japan? I went to a UFC once in Japan We did one UFC in Japan and I went there. It was really cool

1:16:39It was just I was just really happy To be in Japan for a fight because I you know I've been such a fan of Japanese martial artists and Jap Japanese martial arts period and like I have a I mean I have me a multi-musashi time But being in there in Japan was like it was interesting because they were so educated Like they were really quiet while the fights are going on But then when something would happen even something really technical like somebody passing the guard They would go oh And they would all clap like I was like whoa this is interesting. Yeah Like it was like you could hear each corner yelling instructions Like you didn't you didn't hear the crowd at all. Wow. There's 16,000 people in there. That's cool It was wild. Yeah, it was a completely different kind of audience like very respectful Very appreciative and very knowledgeable. It was it was cool. Do you think if you didn't do what you did? Would you rather watch Like UFC in person or would you watch it at home? Uh In person's the best You want to be there. You want to feel the cr- but I would want to be there where I sit like I'm super spoiled

1:17:44Yeah, you got the best. Yeah, I'm like I'm like I could reach up and grab a cage is right there like I'm so spoiled but um You know if you're in the bleachers if you're in like the nose bleeds You're probably better off watching it at home honestly because then you get the commentary You get to see replays you get to see you know like close up if you got a big TV at home you get to see everything I just sat close for the first time. I went to the patty gachi fight. Oh, did you? It was amazing That was a good one. It was amazing, dude But yeah, it's definitely different hearing the sound. Oh, yeah, it's like a hole when you hear like bone on bone Well, my favorite was during the pandemic. We had fights at the UFC apex with no crowd It was insane. It was so because we had world championship fights with no crowd That's crazy. There was maybe like 50 hundred people in the room Wow, it was like mostly just staff of the UFC the trainers of the fighters and some some of the other fighters in the audience Some friends in the audience and that's it and the UFC apex has a smaller ring too a smaller cage

1:18:47So it's like I think it's like I want to say it's 40% smaller. It's a lot smaller Really? Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's small. How would that affect a fight a lot practically as much as not as much distance to get away You know, so a guy who likes to like move around a lot and get away from people like I saw frances and gone Overseas deep in Miochi when frances won the title in the apex with no crowd That's crazy and when frances hits things It's like it's like hearing a baseball bat hitting a pumpkin It's just lump And you're right there. You hear them breathing. You hear the grunts when they get hit, you know Right you hear the coaches yelling out hands up hands up move move move You know hit them with the one one two they're yelling out instructions and it's like there's no one else there It's silent. Wow. It's amazing. So that's the way. Oh, that's my favorite cool But there's something about an amazing crowd, you know, like when you're watching a big world title fight You know and like in Vegas or in the massive square guards an incredible place just who's the history of the place

1:19:51You feel it when you're in massive square guard but My favorite is the apex how you feeling about this white house card. That's insane makes me a little nervous So I don't know if it's the best idea. Yeah, it seems like it would war open some yeah some room for some Yeah, it seems like it. Yeah The card is not what they wanted it to be for sure. They wanted it to be like all world titles But you know matchmakers have a very difficult task. It's very hard to find people That aren't injured that are like like that are ready at this particular time because The brutal aspect of this sport is that guys are always hurt. They're always training hurt They're always getting hurt. They fight hurt There's always no one very rarely is anyone going into the octagon 100% sure there's always something going on guys are They're dealing with staff infections and camp and they're taking antibiotics and it fucks with your endurance and Maybe they've got a muscle pole or a knife that's fucked up and

1:20:54When Francis and Gano fought um serial gone he blew his ACL out so he had a wrap his leg up and he had one leg And he beat him with one leg Crazy guys have fought with broken hands, you know Alex Pereira he's beating guys with a broken foot He fights with a broken foot just stoic standing there knows his foot's broken doesn't give a fuck He fought with a bad knees knee-needed surgery Like it like there's a fight that he fought Yuri Pahaska where he's on top of Yuri that they stop the fight And he does a forward roll to get off of him after he knocked him out because he couldn't stand on his left leg I Didn't know that did was that like a known thing while the fight was happening. No. Oh, no. He had surgery. Remember that fight Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, he had surgery after the fight Pahas really big in our house because Brazil. Oh, yeah Those Brazilians man, they love each other. It's crazy. My wife. She doesn't she doesn't care about MMA that much But if there's a Brazilian fight and she's all about it. Oh, yeah, yeah, very very proud people Yeah, and it's also like Brazils were it all started

1:21:55They were having MMA fights in Brazil in the 1930s really. Oh, yeah Alio Gracie who's really the the founder of all this shit He's the father of like the Gracie clan the Gracie family is like the greatest story in the history of martial arts That one family has changed martial arts forever And it really changed it because of Carlos Gracie and Alio Gracie and Carlson Gracie There's these three Gracies who competed in these no rules fights They didn't have time limits back then no gloves no nothing And they were fighting in giant crowds in Brazil in the 1930s 1940s And they were figuring things out that nobody had figured out before they figured out they took techniques from judo Like judo was mostly about throws But there was some submissions And so they concentrated only on the submissions and they hunt and they created Brazilian jujitsu Like jiu-jitsu which was a Japanese martial art right but Brazilian jiu-jitsu is far more technical than Japanese jiu-jitsu

1:22:59And even Japanese guys now trained Brazilian jiu-jitsu I was gonna say is there any are there purists that only do the Japanese style still and not really you can't really compete Okay, I mean you I mean you could because everybody kind of knows everything now because Brazilian jiu-jitsu has made its way into every other sport But Brazilian jiu-jitsu has made its way into Russian Sambo and it was just another combat sport which is also elite But Brazilian jiu-jitsu changed the game and the Gracie family changed everything forever And you know and the the guy who fought in the UFC hoist he wasn't even the best guy in the family He he told everybody my brother Hicks and kills me Hicks and was the man like Hicks and was above and beyond everyone back then He was he was a guy who did yoga. He was meditating. He did this crazy thing with a stomach where you do this breathing Where stomach would suck in he was like a real freak and he was undefeated like nobody could touch him He would he would go and do these seminars So he teaches seminar and

1:24:01Teach it to all these black belts and then he would roll with all of them non-stop and just tap out everybody Everybody world champions. They'll be like oh this is a bunch of hype and they go there You don't get on board and they'll get leg locked Like it was crazy. He was so much better than everybody else And so they wanted hoist to win because Hicks and also was like pretty jacked and he was like really fit And he was really in a fit. He was really into strength and conditioning and and like I said yoga It was incredibly flexible like he could stand there and do the splits and like hold his leg up in there on a balanced bar You see the one that wrote that book. Yeah, yeah, I read that. It's awesome. Yeah, and he had that documentary It's a great documentary called choke phenomenal documentary about his rise through Japan valetudo and then he was the guy he was the guy they based the first pride event on okay He was the champion of the first pride event He was the guy that the whole thing was based on because he was huge in Japan I mean, he was a superstar in Japan

1:25:01But he was the champion of the family and they wanted hoist to do it because hoist was like smaller and he would show That jujitsu was about technique. That makes sense and they the plan was if hoist ever got beat Throw in Hicks and okay, then everybody's fucked But Hicks and like his brother Horian started the UFC and Horian and Hicks and had friction and Horian really couldn't control Hicks and And so they were like let's put hoisin and if we need to call on Hicks and we'll call the boogie man He was the boogie man. Remember the guy. I think it was UFC one you had the one glove the one box and yeah, our chimerson Yeah, what was that about? Well, I think he decided he wanted to be able to hold on to people and he wanted to punch him with his right hand Weird tacky. Well, no one knew what the fuck they were doing back then everybody Jackson dude Everybody had this idea of what fighting was and they didn't really know until they got taken down There's very hard oh his left hand So that's interesting So I guess he wanted to pop on with the jab was that hoist just fuck up put it to that guy

1:26:06Amazing, but hoist was doing something that nobody had seen before and that one event when he was doing that to people It changed everything he changed my opinion of martial arts. I immediately started taking jujitsu I was like oh my god you were taekwondo I started in taekwondo and then I did kickboxing for a while And then when as soon as I saw the UFC I immediately started taking jujitsu Yeah, I was like oh god I don't and then when I started taking it I was so cocky. I was like I'm out of fight And then I took classes which is getting manhandled and mauled and tapped left and right. I was like oh my god I'm a beginner. Yeah, this is so humiliating and I was like I gotta get good at this Yeah, I couldn't believe how helpless I was I was running around They can think it was a badass and I was just a fool. Yeah, I'll hold me real quick Oh, so I'm gonna do that. I did it for you know, maybe a couple months And I just I never made it past the hump. I should probably try again But get a trainer get a guy who can do drills with you That's really huge if you can get someone to do drills with you and like just go over like

1:27:09Like on a one-on-one basis the the the finer aspects of it and just do drills and drills drills over and over again And then slowly start working your way into group classes. Yeah, that's the key I think the thing is with you know, if you if you go do a boxing class and boy tie class You get to get some frustration out right because you're hitting something and it kind of feels good on your drive home You feel like just beat the shit out of that bag, you know Yeah, but then you do you roll with somebody who's really good and you go home and you're more frustrated New Maybelline serum lipstick. Maybe it's not just lipstick. It's lush color with endless possibilities It's serum infused With the hyaluronic acid and oil blend for eight-hour pumping moisture Intone enhancing shades It's more than the shade. It's who's wearing it You New Maybelline serum lipstick Maybe it's Maybelline But the first time you tap someone it's like

1:28:10It's such a revelation. You're like, oh my god. I got an arm bar. Oh my god I got to try and go like the first time you actually catch someone something and they tap I'll never forget that feeling. I was like wow And then you have to just trust the process trust the process of showing up and and realizing it is a tall mountain decline It's you're not going to get there quick. It is a it's a weird thing to do with your body Your body doesn't know what to do with it. That's why drilling is so important when you're drilling You're going over the motions without resistance. So your body sort of gets programmed how to shift switch Switch your hips and how to catch the arm and how to pull your body back and secure it with your legs and all the different things That you have to do where if you're doing just live sparring all the time you you're not going to learn because you're all panicking and tight You got to be able to like train your body to move a certain way. So it becomes automatic And is there a way to do it where you can stay Like relatively injury-free while you're learning

1:29:10Or is it's like that's just part of the it's kind of part of it. Yeah, I'm gonna say it's kind of part of it Yeah, everybody just sort of assumes you're gonna eventually get hurt one way or another you're gonna Fuck your knee up or fuck your ankle up or whatever right But the best way is to find good training partners. Don't train with any wild people because some people just Can't count things yeah, those are dangerous the really dangerous people are like blue belts were really strong Who would just like really spaz out on you like sure kind of avoid those folks because they could blow your knee out accidentally Yeah, you know, I've seen that a lot like I know people that are really good that won't roll with people that are spazes They're like I'm not I definitely ran into a couple of the guys are like they just wanted to choke out case. He doesn't Of course, like come on, man. I just started. Of course. I used to get that when I was on fear factor a lot of guys want to choke out the fear factor Yeah But you know, that's just part of the fun like you're dating like we used 58-year-old white belt nuts wow if that guy did it Fucking kind of anybody can do it. What belt did he get to?

1:30:12He might have got the purple Uh, he definitely got the blue. I don't know if he got the purple, but he won tournaments Wow, he competed in tournaments, you know You know, I remember when he first started doing he's like I'd really like to compete in some age appropriate tournaments I was trying to talk him out of it. I was like don't Get hurt man. We need you out there Yeah, he was obsessed If you could do it like that just goes to show you a guy with no athletic experience not a worker Doesn't train didn't didn't do any working out wasn't a runner didn't lift weights nothing and then at 58 is like All right, I'm gonna get good at this. That's amazing. Yeah, good for him, man Well, he was a guy that had had substance abuse problems in his past and the thing about being an addict is If you can focus whatever that thing is and get addicted to something really good You you can You can really excel sure for whatever weird reason also. There's a flip side So people that are addicted to a sport or a thing and they get really good at a thing and then they become drug addicts

1:31:17That same thing can kind of hijack your brain and then all you're doing is like chasing meth all day right I've seen that happen too for sure. Yeah Yeah, you should get back into it. It's a fun thing to do It's good for your head too because it's the hardest thing you'll ever do It's so hard because you're essentially what you're the game you're playing is I kill you or you kill me, right? So when a guy gets your back and gets your rhythm it can choke and you tap You're essentially saying you just killed me. All right. Thank you for not killing me I give up and then when you do it to him he's saying that to you. Yeah, so it's so hard That the rest of your life is easy, right? Everything else becomes easy. Well, all the stress of fame Success and Hollywood and the bullshit It's nothing compared to some dude mounting you trying to get your you go you're trapped in an arm trying Trying to get your hand down to protect yourself It's way harder and that that makes the rest of your life easier if you can

1:32:18Choose what's hard in your life. You'll be way better off Find the thing that's way more difficult on your mind way more difficult on your body way more difficult on your spirit Then this other thing that you do so it'll like make that other thing like easier to tolerate Yeah, let's stay humble too. Yeah. Oh, yeah super humble. I'm not gonna think you're cool for being able to say some lines Some people get well, that's the other thing right you get Really intoxicated with everybody kissing your ass. Oh, yeah easy easy trap. We've all seen that. We've all seen actors They're just like inflated. Oh for sure. Yeah, yeah I'm a little blessed in the way that I've never thought I was very great at it I enjoyed doing the things but I've not you know like never really I'm never good enough for myself kind of hard on myself a little bit But I've seen it for sure If if you're waiting for someone else to validate you Once they do you're screwed right because you're gonna believe it right. I mean Yeah, well, there's a problem of being a star is that like all these people need you and the world their world of the show

1:33:23Revolves around you. Yeah, so they're all like, you know kind of kissing your ass and reverent towards you It's like it's it's a little weird. Yeah, yeah, and that's new for me too, you know I'd never been anything that was like a massive hit before Yellowstone and now at this new show Now it's a hit and I'm the number one on the call sheet, which is very new and so I'm like a You know, I'm an asset to them in a different way I'd be interesting navigating that they'll probably try to talk you out of doing Yeah, I probably have to sign something that I won't, you know, I'm not a lot of like ski There's a lot of things because of the insurance Like if I get hurt and production has to shut down It's a lot of money for them. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I don't know if that's one of them though But it's like, yes, ski don't ask it's funny because horseback riding usually is and I Have to do that for the show. That's the most dangerous. Yeah horseback riding scares a shit out of me Dude, it's me too. It was not it didn't come natural That's not like a thing that I'm naturally good at or had done before Yellowstone

1:34:24My oldest daughter did it for a little bit in California and she fell a couple of times and one time she heard a wrist really bad And I was like, please stop don't do this because she was doing those things where you'd like jump over stuff Like oh, that's so dangerous Because they stop just shy of that thing and you go flying right yeah her friend She had a good friend that was really into it and they started doing it together and I was like Please don't and she fell a couple times that she was okay But one time she really heard a wrist and I was like, please stop because you wrist they can fix your neck You get like Christopher Reeves, you know, oh, I think about Christopher Reeves every time I Wish I didn't that was what he did right he was doing the jumping thing right wasn't I believe so yeah Yeah, I just don't I don't yeah, I don't get it you read motorcycles. No, no, I don't even almost did Almost as taking lessons Me and a couple of the other guys that worked on the crew at Fear Vactor We all took motorcycle lessons together. We're all talking about it And so we took motorcycle safety courses, you know

1:35:25You basically ride like it's kind of a dirt pike and they teach you how to you know shift and all this stuff And I kind of got into it. I was like, oh, it's really fun and then Three of my friends had motorcycle accidents like within a short time period Um one of them wiped out fucked up his shoulder the other one got hit by a car broke his leg And then the other one was actually someone saw someone it wasn't an actual motorcycle accident He was there when some guy got rear-ended by a car that wasn't paying attention Just plowed into him and sent him flying and fuck this guy up and I was like no now No, no, no, I'm not doing that. I had a bike for a couple months in LA and I went on a ride and you know, it's like one of those things you you have to have the bug You're like either have or you don't I was trying to get the bug I because I wanted that to be a part of my identity I wanted to be a guy who rode motorcycles So I wrote up the Pacific coast highway and I was kind of riding up through like oh high And going around this corner, you know, this sort of like cliffside and that thing where if you stare at something

1:36:28That's where you're gonna go and I just kind of was like zoned out and I almost ate shit right into the side of this cliff And I was alone like if I would have done it it would have been forever until anyone figured out like what it happened to me You know, and I kind of it was a really really close call and I got off the bike and I kind of sat there for a minute And I was like yeah, I don't love it enough to die this way You know, I mean I don't need this in my life, and I never never did it again. I have friends that have never had a problem I have friends that ride bikes and have never had a problem. I think if I lived in Montana, I might do it There's just not that much traffic No, but my seven-year-old neighbor just hit a deer Seven years old on his like you know, it's one of BMW like adventure bikes And he was going 70 on the highway and hit a deer Yeah, he's and he's fine dude. This guy's a tank, but how old was he 70 Killed the deer he had road rash everywhere. He was kind of like you know on a couch for a few. He's fine dude He is a tank this guy They make them different out there dude. He's my next door day. He's amazing

1:37:28Shout-out Steve Wow, he uh, he's got a range in his backyard to 500 yards. Oh wow and has every firearm imaginable and things you didn't even know they made and so anytime I can just you know Right over there on the side by side we grab a few and go down and shoot in the back. Oh, that's nice That's cool. Yes. Yeah, you find people like that in Montana. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's the real deal Wow, but 70 years old hitting a deer is crazy on a bike. Yeah, killed the deer and he uh About a month later. He was all right. He was back on the bike. Oh boy Geez I've seen some videos of guys hitting deer like you see like from their camera Right, you see this thing leaping further. Oh, then Yeah, deer's they they're everywhere out here man when I'm driving home. I drive slow There's like a certain road deer in my house where they just pop out all the suicidal deer Yeah, just pop out especially like around the rut Yeah, the the the bucks are chasing the road and they're not chasing straight. They just they're out there like

1:38:31Fucking yeah pussy hungry standing in the road staring at you. I love explaining to people how the rut works Because it works just like humans. I'm like the only time they're dumb enough that you're gonna get one is when they're horny Right, you know, but for them it's once a year which is way crazier than us. Can you imagine? If it all came once bro if humans had a rut I would go on vacation during that time I'm like I'm hiding. I'm not want to be anywhere near. It's probably like murders Car accidents. Lock me in jail for that month or whatever I get a bunker get a bunker locked down with Netflix for a month. Fuck that. There is no way man That would be crazy imagine if the whole world had the rut at the same time Oh my god, it's a good movie idea. It is a good movie idea, right? That's actually a great movie idea It's called the rut. Yeah, like human beings evolve or maybe there's like genetic engineering because they decide the There's overpopulation and the solution to it is only have people breed at a certain time

1:39:32And also like keep people from being distracted all the time because like how many people are on dating apps and how many people are like you know Going to bars and trying to find someone. It's like it's a huge waste of your time. Oh my god My 20s and 30s were just blown. Yeah, it's all I thought about massive massive waste of your time If there was like a solution to that the solution would be like where everyone's going to breed Only during November Maybe it's the best thing ever Be great if there was like a switch you could flip you know like a little boy You're like flip it and then go out and right and then out the rest of the year like you don't even care about girls Like it's so productive man. Bucks just walk by a female doe and like, you know, fucking June They don't give a shit about yeah, and they don't have their antler so they look the same right you know I mean they lose their masculinity and right right right I get it back pretty quick those fucking things grow quick It's like they fall off within a month or two they start growing nubs isn't it the fastest growing bone material on the yeah

1:40:33I think elk is We could because that's nuts. I mean like you look like a foreign and it four hundred inch elk Like some of those antlers that are out there imagine that that grows in a couple of months It's bone. It's crazy and they fight to the death with it crazy like we find elk that have been killed by other elk Happens all the time. Have you hunted in Montana? Yeah, not uh not elk A hundred mule deer in Montana and a phasant the time I went with Bourdain Um never done elk until I moved up there. I started hunting white tail when I was like 10 like really young because we have big white tail in Ohio And I thought hunting elk would be similar And boy was I mistaken. Oh, it is When do you bow hunting or rifle hunting? I've done both, but my first was a bow hunt And we went out there we were camping out there. I mean I just made friends with this the contractor that built my house in Montana He took me we went public land around Dylan Montana And we went for a week and I had to tap out day four like I couldn't my my legs stop working

1:41:34I didn't I was like I didn't know I had it was like this so the next year I went I was like prepared for it, but I didn't know man. You really got to go for it. Oh, you got to get in shape Yeah, I do a lot of shit before September I do I have this crazy routine that I do on a air-dined bike I do these tabatas on an air-dined bike where you sprint for 20 seconds Oh, yeah, you rest for 10 you sprint for 20 seconds the worst and all I'm doing is thinking about getting over a hill Get over a hill to get a shot. I mean, and then I do like Box step-ups. I do all these different things with weighted vests and farmers carries with fucking heavy kettlebells All I'm doing is just trying to condition my legs. Yeah, you have to like those mountains are brutal There's no mountains here for me to practice on right, but in California I used to run hills with my dog Yeah, and you're at elevation, which makes it even harder. Oh, yeah And I weird thing people wouldn't expect like just you know makes it even worse You get up in the morning. It's zero degrees Middle of the day. It's 50 60 and you're hiking all days. It's like how do you dress for that? You have to dress to be cold

1:42:36Yeah, like once you start walking you have to be cold Yeah, like you got to get down to your base layer and walk cold And then if you ever have to stop then you put it on in the other key Marina wool. Hmm. That's the key because wool is different than cotton if your cotton gets wet And then you you're sweaty and then you get cold. You're fucked right, but wool's not like that Marina wool is the best because like if you have especially a base layer because when you're sweating It kind of keeps you a little cool and then If you get cold, it doesn't it doesn't feel cold. Yeah, because it's it's not synthetic. It's it's organic. It makes sense Yeah, it's a weird fiber. Yeah, we used to walk to the deer stand kind of in half of our stuff Keep the other half in a pack and then like once I got in the tree stand I put everything I saw and so that you wouldn't you know the sweat wouldn't freeze to you. That's hard Deer hunting in a tree stand is fucking hard. It's like a silent retreat and you're freezing Yeah, you're freezing and you're sitting up there waiting for a deer to walk by and then you're so cold

1:43:37When a deer walks by you go to pull your bow back. You're like oh Jesus. Yeah. Why am I so weak? Yeah Like you can barely pull your bow back when you're up in the tree. Yeah, but nothing I mean no no challenge whatsoever compared to alkanic That was Mike blew my mind how hard that was and the guy I went with you know he grew up in Montana. He's like a mountain goat I just like couldn't keep up with this guy man I'm like this isn't how do you do this just constant all day long You can't just get out of your off your couch and go elk on the mountains. You can't do it. No, you got to get in shape They're like my friend came hands. That's why he started running. He came a ultra runner Yeah, he's doing like 250 miles. Yeah, right. Yeah, he does like these three day runs He tried to get you into that. Have you done any of that? He had no chance. I have one knee that sucks. I have one knee that I fucked up in martial arts It's missing meniscus and I cracked it skiing too. I wiped out skiing got a fracture of the top of my tibia So it's like it's if I started running it would get beat up real bad Right, but I do there's plenty of conditioning you could do without running You know, but it's that the pounding of running

1:44:40It's not good for my knee There's something so amazing though about getting to that first thing in the morning when sounds coming up in your glassing And you're just like this is what I always wanted hunting to be like yeah, it's the real thing It's like this is what it's supposed to feel like you're so far out there You know, I didn't get to go the last couple years my wife was having Our baby two years ago So that wasn't allowed to be in the woods with no service and then last year I was shooting the show But this year I'm gonna be able to go. I got a good spot And even if I'm shooting the show It's like it's right there. Well, they have phones now that have satellite service I think you get is that does T-Mobile have that now we can get starlink On your on your phone. I know they're doing that soon And you know, you can text message with iPhones. You can I got that right You know what the best thing is man When we're in Utah last year the last two years. I've had a starlink mini It is the shit It's like the size of an iPad it is lay it down on the ground You use the app and the starlink app will tell you which way to point it to and you get a high-speed internet

1:45:45I have one for when we shoot it's incredible. We're in the middle of nowhere. It's so awesome the best it's so good You get you can here it is T satellite. Yeah That's the shit man Yeah, so you can can you make phone calls or is it just internet it's phone calls too right Texting and select satellite ready apps. Okay, just texting Satellite service including texted 911 maybe delayed limited or unavailable So you can just text and some satellite ready apps right now So that's like everywhere That's cool. Yeah, so eventually they'll have It'll be like starlink would be connected to your phone and you'll be able to get high speed internet everywhere in the world If we don't have World War 3 pro blow everybody up did but There's the elk-tawning thing that the the thing that makes it all the more exciting is like They're moving around you got to sneak up in on them you're playing the wind and then the sound they make

1:46:50When they're screaming And you hear like if you never knew what that was you would think there's demons in the woods. Yeah, demons are like t-rex Right Sound is so incredible. It's so incredible and it's so hard to do it's like that to me is One of the things that I love like every year because everything goes away It's so difficult. It's so difficult to get in shape for it So difficult to manage your way into the mountains and and to be in shape to be able to do it day after day And then to be able to pull off a shot, you know like you know like you have this brief moment the thing 65 yards away And you draw back and yeah trying to settle your pin and you could have done all of that just to like Mess it up. Yeah, one little tiny. Yeah, it happens all the time But when you're successful. Oh my god. It's the greatest feeling of all time And then when you're eating it and then you're you know, you're at home and you're on the barbecue grilling these elk sticks like I can't wait to do this again. Yeah, it's so exciting. Yeah, and it's just but it's the being out there

1:47:53It's like a vitamin. It's like a vitamin that you didn't know you needed. Yeah, it's like your whole body's like Oh, this is so much better than regular life. You can't be mentally unwell. No, it's like impossible. Right. Yeah, it's amazing He just feels so much better the air is better You know, it's like and you're more focused. You're not distracted and you just you feel alive Yeah, and then it's also the majesty of nature He's just around these trees and mountains and he catching all these animals that are out there and you know Eagles flying overhead Like day three or like I think I'm just gonna move out here Just gonna do this and then you go back to real life and you're like, oh yeah, I think that all the time I think that all the time that I like to live in the mountains my wife is not down with it But I'd love it. Yeah, I might get a place somewhere one day in the mountains just to retreat just to be able to just disconnect Shut off for a while. I think that's probably a good idea. I love it I wonder though now that I have a kid like we're gonna have to start thinking about you know school for him and stuff and I don't there's really not I don't know

1:48:58I don't you know Once we get there, we'll figure that out, but we're gonna probably have to get somewhere closer to some people Doesn't bozeman have good schools? What do you mean? What are you near? I'm I'm about an hour south of Missoula. So I fly to Missoula to go. Missoula has good schools, right? Yeah, but I'd have to move closer to Missoula and at that point, I'm like, why don't I just You know to a city, I guess, you know, oh, I know I think the move might be getting somewhere, you know a little more populated and then keeping like a cabinet Montana like you were talking about, you know, and then taking him out there whenever we can that's probably the thing Do you have a place in your house where you record? Do you have like a little recording studio or anything? Yeah, like a just for me to record demos to send to people to actually record just to be like this is something I've been working on or you know kind of a setup like one of these and a computer Um, but yeah, I do a lot of writing up there. It's a great place to write songs. How do you write? Do you write on paper or do you just start strumming and singing different every time? Sometimes I'll have like a it'll it'll be a melody

1:50:01It'll be a guitar riff it could be like a lyrical idea some sort of hook, you know It comes in a lot of different ways and then sometimes I'll Finish something on my own sometimes I'll do a Nashville trip and sit with some other writers that I like and you know We'll kind of like banging out together and that's the coolest part of the process man There's something about Making something out of absolutely nothing. It's like addicting, you know. Yeah, it's really cool Yeah jokes are similar in the way I bet I've never really been a songwriter, but I'm guessing So it's like creating something out in like out of your mind Yeah, all of a sudden it's a thing and then you're performing it in front of people And it's like I've heard you talk about this and and any good creative person talk about this But like it comes to you. Yeah, you can't really take credit for a good idea Yeah, exactly like I'll just be driving and be like whoa That's where that come from like whatever that is give me more. Yeah, I love it, you know I was talking to Michael Paul in about that yesterday. We were talking about consciousness And we were talking about how it just seems like

1:51:04You're not doing it. It's just coming out of the ether You know, it's just like and you just have to show up and receive it and if you show up enough And you you know pay homage to the muse and sit there the ever-eared war of art Stephen press book I got a box of copies. I'll give you a copy about there. He always get well I bought a box of copies I bought a bunch of them and I used to hand them out to comedians and artists when I was on the show Little just listen to me. You got to read it. It's a really small book. It's easy But it's one of the best books ever about creativity and it essentially just He tells you if you treat it like there is a muse like there is a god A goddess that will give you ideas as long as you pay respect to the muse You have to show up on time every day sit there and do it and some days you get nothing But you just got to keep showing up keep showing up and trusting that process and eventually like oh my god This idea is so good. Yeah, that makes sense. Where did it come from? Yeah, when I when I'm in a really good spot sort of mentally emotionally spiritually taking care of myself sleeping

1:52:09I get more of those. Yeah, and I know there's this like mysticism around like people who like no Antares Thompson or someone like that who just kind of spent a lot of time being fucked up and they still get it That never worked out really well for me I've tried it trust me. It's not great with with those guys. They're trying to get out of their own head You know, they're just trying to get blasted so they could just like Just release themselves from their life and then just obliterate it just start writing. Yeah, and then the muse starts talking to them Interesting. Yeah, but he made way or there's a lot of guys like oh, yeah, I had to be sort of a little messed up Stephen King to do the thing. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, his book on writing is fantastic too. It's called on writing Stephen King. Yeah, it's great. Really good. He was obliterated like most of his great work Most of the great stuff out of his fucking mind on drugs and alcohol and and some of those guys like Once they stop doing it. They lose the thing and I you know name names, but like him

1:53:09There's some there's some artists. I love that they kind of got clean. Yep. You know like where'd the thing go? Yeah Which is unfortunate, you know, yeah, it happens with comics, too Doesn't some of them though to get better like David tell got way better when he quit drinking It's interesting. It doesn't always it doesn't have to be that But for a lot of them like that crutch the whatever it is that connects them to the creativity Once they eliminate that part and try to keep try to stay alive essentially like Stephen King was like killing himself But his later work is just not comparable. What's your process like writing jokes like how does that start for you? Like how do you? It it is a It's there's some ideas that just come to me out of the middle of nowhere like I'll be just hanging out and and then I have an idea Or I'm driving in my car and I have an idea and I just have to write it down And then a lot of it is just sitting down with a computer who's sitting down and like what am I writing about? I'm writing about immigration. Okay, let me fucking

1:54:10And I write an essay form so I don't try to write like a stand-up comedy joke Which I've tried before but that's never works But what does work is if I lose myself and just Ruminating on an idea and just explore it from every different angle and then I'll find one paragraph I might write two thousand words and I'll find one paragraph. I'm like that's it And I'll take that out and I'll put it in there and I try to introduce it on stage And then I try to figure out how to segue into it And then I try to figure out how to expand on it and then I'll take that one thing and then I'll stare at that one paragraph And then go what else like what else was the other angle like what if I was not like that what What how do I feel about if I was on the other side of that? What if I'm the person that's going through this and what if I'm this and then I'll try to just try that And it's it's like I always describe as like you're trying to You're trying to build a mountain one layer of paint at a time And it's a long and brute and then sometimes it's not some jokes just come to you in full form

1:55:13Oh, wow like the way I wrote it is the way I say it and it's perfect And the but that's you can't count on that either right And again, it's not I don't think they're mine You know, they're just coming from somewhere. Yeah, the key is just showing up That's the key the key is like sitting in front of that fucking computer or some guys don't like a computer They want a notepad they want pen and paper they like they like it better that way and I get it But for me I can type like I don't have to look at the keys. I can touch type So for me, I can write a word out as fast as I'm thinking it which is way better for me than writing down Because I write slower than I type and so I want to be able to get it all out I want to to me. It's like it doesn't but then I write it on paper eventually But when I first write it, I want to write it down on a computer because I can capture it quicker. Yeah And you can cut and paste and move things to another file and start fresh and like explore it again

1:56:13This last album I did we try to a really different process than I'd done before usually you go into a studio You know, there's a lot of money behind it. You got a big producer as you know, you're taking up their time You have everything ready to go But um On this new one we did everything. There's only two songs. I'd had already written and eight out of the 10 songs We wrote either the day over the night before in the studio because I wanted to make something as personal as possible because you know the subject matter is stuff where I'm like If this is gimmicky or or over thought it's not Then I'm sort of trying to like capitalize on grief or things I'm talking about so I want to go in and just be it's open as possible and just get what we get and just try to you know tell the truth Which is you know, it's the goal of country really right it used to be And so yeah, we would um we would cut and then In the night after we'd cut it we'd sit and try to write the song for the next day If we didn't get it we'd show it up early next day and try to write the song for that day

1:57:15It was an amazing process we called it the pressure cooker because it was just like you better get something Because you're on the clock. Yeah, man. It was it was um I don't I don't ever do that again But what a like cathartic amazing process like there because usually you you'll write a song You'll have a demo for it some something where you just sit down play guitar and your phone or something So you'll remember the melody remember the chords And you listen to it so much that you get sick of it before you've ever even cut it and with this there was never a demo There was never it was straight from you know heartbrain tape like it was it was pretty special I think there's something to be said for pressure like that where force is you If force is you to come up with something. Yeah, the pressure cooker man. We just we had to you know It was it was it was amazing. Yeah, Julie forces your synapses to fire. Yeah, there's something to be said for that Like there's that's a thing about comedy too when you when you have a new bit Like part of the thing is like take that bit when it's not really done yet And just throw it out there in front of a crowd

1:58:17And find the beats find where it is and sometimes in front of a crowd As you're saying it you'll have a new idea like What the fuck is this like why are we doing and then that'll be the biggest part of the joke like everybody will laugh Order at that part then anything else and it just comes to you because you're under pressure. Yeah, yeah There's something about there's something about forcing your brain to do things like forcing your like you just like He like you have to do it like you can't just dilly dally. No procrastination. It's right there right now Yeah, let's go. Yeah, I mean because you're you're directly connected to whatever the things. Yeah It's it's like a flow state and then there's stuff that just comes to be like John Mellon camp told me he wrote hurt so good in the shower He's just in the shower. Come on baby And he's like it was done best shower ever crazy Sometimes

1:59:17It was cool. It was an interesting guy to talk to a bad Fucking dude just chain smokes. He's in his seventies. Just a chain smoking Who's so happy he could smoke in here? I know like you're not gonna quit that ever He's like this is what he said he goes find something you love and let it kill you. Yeah I don't know if it all does bad that one kill me. That's a rough death. Yeah, I'm a I've dealt with smoking for some time Yeah, I always promised my wife that I quit when we had our kid And we're almost there. We're getting close. You got the nicotine pouches. I got this is those help. They do help. Yeah, it's it's a different When I have a drink though. It's oh, yeah, it's like I can't do one without the I'm to quit smoking. I'm gonna have to quit drinking We're really have to wow. I just can't imagine one without the other. It's like a package deal for me But I'm okay to quit drinking at some point. You've quit right? Yeah, I'd quit and then started again. Oh really? Yeah Nice I quit for like eight months. I didn't miss it

2:00:21But then when I had a couple glasses of wine with dinner. I was like oh, I like this. This is nice. Yeah, I kind of missed it How was that first sort of hangover? Have you I didn't get hungover? I haven't gotten drunk. Okay. I haven't gotten a hungover since nice And I've only been drinking again and even when I do it's rare Like I don't drink every night. I go on stage I might have like a drink before I go on stage or I'll have a drink with dinner or maybe a second glass of wine But that's it. I haven't been drunk. That's perfect. Yeah, the getting drunk is the problem Yeah, and the real problem with me was like I was I owned this comedy club and I was with my friends And they're all animals and they're all just like let's do shots and we'd go downstairs to mitzies bar And we'd be doing shots together and we'd have so much fucking fun And then I'd wake up in the morning to work out like oh fuck Yeah, and I was just hurt inside be guzzling Water and electrolytes and I get in the cold plunge and it's just but it was just this struggle to try to get back to normal

2:01:24Yeah, and I'm like I hate that. I don't like that. Yeah, but I don't feel that with a glass of wine I have a glass of wine or two and I feel great the next day. It doesn't not doesn't bother me at all As long as I drink enough water take electrolytes get a good night's sleep I feel totally normal in the morning. That's good getting drunk is the problem. It is fun though. It's the best Getting drunk is so much getting drunk with buddies. Oh the best the best one of my favorite things is like going to a bar in the middle of the day And meeting everyone at the bar and just drinking you know Even if they're strangers or at the airport bar or whatever and just like Getting to know people I would never have talked to again with because why would we talk right? I love that But again, I'm 42 now and the hangovers are starting to to really smart, you know, so it's not it's not really Worth the price of admission anymore. It's it's not worth it when you get aware of your body Especially if you're a person like you know, I work out all the time and I'm 58 now. So as you get older

2:02:26It's like most people at 58 are half dead. They're kind of falling apart. Yeah, and I've managed to stay healthy and fit I don't want to fuck that up just for booze But you know like I said it's it's hard when you're with buddies and they want to do shots like Shane Gillis is the worst He's the devil He's the devil. He's the devil. He's like come on. We're doing shots Fuck yeah, how can you not get drunk with that guy? He's like the most fun ever and you're having so much fun When you when you're drinking with him, it is just like your face is red. You can't breathe You're everyone's laughing. You're fucking crying. You're crying laughing And it's just like you call each other next day like I feel oh my god, I'm dead Like there's a lot of times where we went out drinking and then we have a gym here And you know, we'd have these comedian workouts the next day and he'd be like dude, I can't make it. I'm like come on pussy You made me drink last night But he's just he's the life of the fucking party man and it's just It's fun, but it's it just it comes at a cost. Yeah, that cost is rough man

2:03:30Especially with the kid now and him being the age he is It's just I nothing makes you feel like a bigger piece of shit than being hung over in front of your baby Right and you're just like sorry, dude I'm you're not I'm sorry, right your kids want to play you know Yeah, it's not all right, you know You can mitigate a lot of that stuff though. Gluta Thione is a really good way to mitigate a lot of it Gluta Thione actually helps your body process alcohol wake quicker. So there's a lot of strategies if you're drunk Yeah, liposomal glutathione and high doses is really good Electrolites are huge like a little a lot of the hangover feeling. There's two things that are going on one is your That's why they say like Hair of the dog that bit you because you're actually Recraving more alcohol. That's why people like bloody marries the day after they're hung over that's not A great strategy, but it really does do a little something but Electrolites are huge because another part of it is you're just dehydrated like yeah your brain is

2:04:32dried out to dried out sponge because you're out getting hammered the night before yeah So you'll drink a lot of water drink a lot of a buddy mine drink with the john clon van dam once and he said it was nuts He goes he's so disciplined. He said the dude had a gallon of water with him like a jug of water and with every shot He would take he would fucking chug water And he just was just super concerned with keeping his body hydrated While he was boozing got to do what you got to do man. I was like credit to him. Yeah This way to go he goes. I never saw anybody do that before. I'm like wow look at the guy. Yeah kind of makes sense Yeah, you know, it's like have you interviewed him in here? No, no That'd be a good one. That'll be fun. He's kind of crazy He he keeps talking about having a fight and coming back and oh damn bro. You're like 70. Yeah Don't do that. I think he's just a little nuts He's also he's famously indulged in the Colombian marching powder Uh-huh, and I think you know sometimes guys get ideas sure not really tenable

2:05:34Thank god. I never had the the taste for that. I never even tried it. Have you never nope? Definitely done it, but it's just yeah I have friends that they can't have a drink without wanting to go get a bag And I'm like whoa and that those guys have to get Sober like stone cold a sober like because they'll disappear. Well, they also die today Yeah, you can get a bad bag and it's got a fentanyl in it, you know, I don't get it. I just never it's like Five minutes of feeling good for like three days of feeling terrible Doesn't pencil out for me. I got lucky that when I was a kid in high school I had a friend and his cousin got addicted coke and I watched what happened to him He was selling it to and I've watched him completely fall apart. It was like It's like he had been haunted like something had taken over his body like a parasite He lost all his weight. He got super pale He got real sketchy and weird and you just hang out in his apartment and Did we just watch TV and do coke all day? It was nice. It was horrible dark And I I was always terrified of doing anything that would turn me into a loser

2:06:38That was my number one fear when I was a kid. I don't want to be a loser Yeah, and so like I'm like okay stay away from drugs because that that'll turn you into a loser. Oh, yeah Yeah, it's sort of like there's some sort of gift in like having some ambition Oh, yeah, like wanting to be somebody. Yeah, you know They can come with the there's pros and cons of that But one of the big pros is like anytime anything would get a little too dark And I realized I was losing my grasp on like what I was after You know professionally or whatever I would of course correct pretty quick Yeah, and if you don't have a thing then it's just about whatever is fun And what's fun is continuing to chase whatever high or whatever Drunk or whatever whatever it is that your your demons are yeah, that's rough I've seen a lot of people lose their life that way I mean did they lose their direction they lose everything You know just substances can be fun But they can take over yeah, and they can become your whole fucking life Yeah, yeah, not good now

2:07:39Yeah, I'm so happy. I avoided coke. I avoid but I am interested Pretty late dude, but I heard 100 tops and I'm not 100 tops and 100 Biden excuse me talk about smoke and crack He did this interview. We were talking about how amazing smoking crack. I was like wow Maybe I could try one I've never heard anybody like try it once though. No, it's famous last words man. Right. No one's done it once I mean everybody who tries it gets hooked. It seems like that's a problem must be pretty awesome It's gotta be it's gotta be the best thing and he said like it's way better than cocaine Like you said like the guy who's interviewing him. What's the guy's name again and Andrew Calhan He when he was interviewing him is like what is the difference and he explained like the delivery method Like how it affects you about so much different like the difference between like a zen pouch and a cigarette cigarette hits you way different That is in it cigarettes like instantly. Oh, yeah, apparently that's what coke's like smoking it Well, it was richer prior too. I mean he was essentially smoking crack

2:08:40Didn't call it crack back then they call it free-basing. Right. It's same thing heroin, too Is another one. It's like those are the two big ones. They tell you when you're like you do this once Yeah, you're done your whole life sober. Yeah. I want to imagine. Yeah I've known people that have tried heroin once and they're like I can't do this again. It was too awesome Yeah, yeah, I do that with like painkillers and stuff You know, I've been prescribed and I'm like, oh, yeah, I love it. I had a new operation do that I've multiple new operations But one the first one I had was in the 90s and they gave me a morphine drip and they give you a button And you can press the button to get more morphine when you needed it. Oh my god. I hammered that button I was lying lying in this bed and my knee had just been caught open like a fish and there's screws in there And my ACL been reconstructed and I was on this perpetual motion machine So the idea is to keep your knee from going stiff You're on this thing that straightens your leg out and brings it back. It's straight some line is fed my leg And I'm hammering that button. I was so happy. I was like I get it now. I get it

2:09:47But that was only once luckily and they didn't give me they gave me some painkillers afterwards I think they gave me percusses but they were so I took Whatever the dose was and it was only did it once. It was so bad I felt so dumb It's so dull and so stupid. I'm like I'd rather be in pain So I sold all my pills to the stew to the pool hall Gave my pills my tear you can buy these from me one of my buddies was telling me He's a in the military and they would carry these morphine lollipops case they ever got shot And you just pull it out in the moment you start sucking on it It's just like a morphine high. I was like kind of gonna get those to fly with Isn't happy awesome like the planes going down you start sucking on that thing Yeah, I just put on the headphones I need time I fly over the ocean. I'm just like I freak out. I don't like the I don't like the actually no I fentanyl lollipop So maybe that's what it was kind of be strong Either way though wouldn't that be I mean that's like biggest fear number one is playing going down

2:10:52Because you have like five minutes to think about it and you're hearing like Everyone screaming Everyone knows they're gonna die too and you're stuck in this tube with a bunch of strangers knowing they're gonna die for five minutes I mean that is hell on earth to me. Yeah, imagine anything worse. That's a rough one I think getting eaten by a bear might be worse Because there's no one around you I wonder though for the bear thing if you're in so much shock like are you feeling it? I wonder thanks now, especially if they start legs first Because the thing about bears is they don't kill you. They just start eating you. Oh my god. Like a salmon Kill a salmon. They just hold down pull chunks off of it. Yeah Apparently that movie grizzly man the audio was so bad that Werner Herzog told the lady to delete it and burn it Because they had a caught the late the guy's Timothy Treadwell his girlfriend his ex girlfriend Got a hold of the the camera. So the camera apparently the lens cover was on but the camera was running Oh, right. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, where he listens to it in the documentary. Yeah, it's like burn this

2:11:57Don't let anyone listen. Oh, would you listen? Oh, yeah I'm proud to everybody listen and I'd hate myself for having a fake version of it online I've heard that. Yeah, it's not real though. It's pretty obvious. It's fake, but people believe it's real But uh it goes on for five minutes Five minutes is a long time like think of a round an MMA round. It's five minutes. Oh my god And all that time you're just getting chunks pulled out of your body Bro you've ever seen a grizzly while you're hunting. Yeah once really. Yeah in Alberta Yeah, it was very scary. It wasn't a big one. It was a six foot bear But it looked at me so different than any other animal like I've seen a lot of black bear and black bear look at you like this like Oh, yeah, what are you doing right? What are you looking sideways and they like I want to get out of here grizzly looks at you like this. Oh like locks on you. Yeah, I can like I need you And uh, I was with my friend Jen. She's a guide up there Jen and John. They run a hunting outfit up in Alberta and um

2:13:04They uh as soon as like she saw it. She screamed. She screamed like get the fuck out of here Racks her shotgun cracks a stick against the the the tree to scare it off And then we immediately bailed like let's get the fuck out of here. Yeah, I'm never seen one don't want to they see big ones up there sometimes and John The her husband he sprayed What he was in a tree stand and he sprayed it with Pepper spray and the thing didn't even react It is like like you think you're gonna. Oh bear spray. I'm saved and it was like fuck you Yeah, it's just like this fucking nine foot bear this Huge wild dog, you know, this he was fucking immense Super powerful thing that can run 45 miles an hour. Oh man apex fuck that man. There's their terrifying montane It's got a ton of them. Yeah, that's one thing I didn't have in Ohio is like the fear of getting eaten by something when you're out in the woods

2:14:04It's dark and you're walking through The first time that that bohan I was telling you about I you know, you bring a sidearm when you all you have is a bow in case You do see mountain lion or something grizzly bear And my buddy was like, what do you got on you? And I was like to nine millimeter because well if you see one shoot yourself Yeah, you got to bring a 45 I guess there's a there's a 10 millimeter with a special round you can take a nine millimeter bounce off Yeah, I mean you're gonna hurt them. I mean you've hit them in the face Maybe they'll do something but you'd not even get through that skull probably. No, they say it won't Well literally bounce off its skull That's crazy. That's so crazy and can't hunt them with a bow Hunts grizzly bear. Yeah. Yeah, he's killed a few grizzles Yeah, does he hunt out of a tree? How do you do that on the ground? No I spot in stock. Oh, yeah, I'm good on that. Yeah, he's out of his fucking mind And his attitude is well if this is how I go this is how I go I go doing my love

2:15:10Okay, he's got some crazy pictures see me find some pictures of cam with a grizzly bear. He's got one We killed this massive one and he's holding up its paw and it's paw is like as big as my torso Well It's fucking huge. There's such a some guy Recently, I think he killed the biggest bear that's ever been killed Um, I sent it to camp damn. Yeah, look at that paw the claws look at the claws on that thing. No way. Yeah And there's a photo of him with the bear on the ground click on that Size of that fucking thing man. Do you know what state he's hunting? That was in Alaska. That's the only state You can say it's probably illegal. Yeah, it's illegal in the lower 48 for whatever reason They probably shouldn't be in like Wyoming and Montana It's gotten to the place where they really probably shouldn't Maybe there's just not enough of them other than in Alaska. I would imagine um I mean, I don't think so. I think the real problem is once they're not listed

2:16:14It's very difficult to get them on on a list You know, uh to get tags allocated for them. There's a the video of him shooting it Dan Look at the size of that fucking thing man. I'm saying what if it's just right there gets pissed off It can and just there's a guy right behind him with a gun. There's a guy right behind him with a rifle Which is also weird like anytime you're bohunting and a guy has to have a rifle. Yeah I think you should probably just use a rifle My perspective just wait a few months. Yeah, if I ever wanted to go grizzly hunting I would definitely bring a rifle. I just don't see myself doing that But I know a lot of my friends have You know, and they have you have to kill a certain number of them just to keep the populations of the moose and elk and everything else and check because otherwise There's nothing gonna stop them and then you have a situation like like you have a Montana or like you have in Wyoming Where there's a lot of interactions with people and people wind up dying and there's no fear because in Alaska They're a little sketched out about people because people hunt them right and that's the better relationship

2:17:18Right the relationship with the up zero fear of people that's not good and that that is Montana and that is Wyoming and that is I'd hope look at that guy. So this is is this the largest one 1600 as a second biggest ever taken by a hundred it's 1600 pounds Look at the fucking size of that thing Dude, that's terrifying. Yeah, good lord That is immense It makes me think have you seen these reports of Bigfoot being seen in Ohio? Yeah, a bunch. I kind of think it's someone fucking with people obviously But maybe not I don't know what the what are they seeing when you as their bears There's bears in Ohio I guess there are and they're black bears in Ohio and they do walk upright sometimes It's probably a dude in a suit. It's probably math You don't know how big a thing is you have a fucking tape measure your excuse me mr. Bigfoot stand still for a moment here

2:18:21Okay stand up straight Put this under your heel. I used to I used to wish so bad big foot was real. Oh, I were so bad Show last night who told me his dad was one of the people that filmed the famous Patterson Oh, yeah, no way. Yeah. Yeah, so his dad was that guy. I feel like we know now that it can't be real because of how many trail cameras are in the world Yeah, we would have seen him a few times I've never met a hunter that's seen one now including guys that are in the Pacific Northwest all the time Although I did uh, I did a show back in the day with my friend Duncan where we went um looking for Bigfoot We went to the places where Bigfoot's normally A person is as much costume obviously. I mean no pictures, please. I mean if there's a whole bunch of them It's probably someone fucking around that gets off different sightings March 6th 7th and 9th and 10th Wow all different people Yeah, huh

2:19:21Boy, I hope it's real It would be awesome. That's what I'd also be like. Maybe it's just a group of friends that are high I'm like, you know, we're gonna do every night for the next fucking week. We're all gonna call this fucking number and see what happens Or we're gonna run around the woods, but that's a good way to get shot like some crazy dude is like I'm gonna prove Bigfoot's real. Oh for sure and he just fucking blast you don't do it during hunting season. Yeah Big mistake. I think it used to be a real thing That's what I think bigfoot. Yeah, you thought it you think it was actually here at some point Yeah, yeah, because there's too many Native American words for it the Native Americans I think we looked this up didn't they they have dozens of names That different tribes have for the same thing a big hairy wild man that lives in the woods Hmm. I think it was a gigantopithecus. I think at one point in time. It was a real creature If you found any bones or anything. Yeah, the gigantopithecus bones But they've only found them in Asia. They never found them in North America But when the bearing land bridge was Attached a lot of animals came across from Asia and made their way into North America through Alaska and down through

2:20:27The Pacific Northwest. It's and a lot of people have seen them in Alaska. Alaska is like a hotbed for sightings too I think but I think those people are cracked out. I think that's probably bears Right, but I think the Native American stories. I think it's a thousands and thousands of years old thing I think she's back in the day like I was watching this This is guy named Michael button. He's been on the podcast before and he's um um a historian who who's a really focuses on ancient civilizations and he was doing this whole video on youtube about how little is left over Like how rare it is to make a fossil. I think about how the dinosaurs were around for literally like hundreds of millions of years And yet we only have like thousands of fossils and what are the what's the possibility of a fossil existing From a civilization like fossilized human being from a civilization 200,000 years ago. It's almost none Most things never become a fossil. It has to be like the perfect conditions to create a fossil And so we don't really know what animals did or didn't live here other than fossilized ones and that's a tiny fraction

2:21:35Oh, what you find okay, and so if there was some sort of big hairy thing that lived here Because we know there was humans that were living in North America Now we know that they they were here at least as far back as 22,000 years because of White sands new mexico they found footprints and then they do carbon testing on the seeds and the different organic matter It's in those footprints and they get a carbon date of like around 22,000 years Which is pretty crazy because they used to think it was like 13,000 years ago and now they pushed that back At least another nine years and they think it's probably these weren't the first there's probably people They're even further than that So if humans were here, let's say they were here 50,000 years ago That puts it in the timeline where jankantopithecus could have been alive Because I think the fossils that they found of jankantopithecus are 100,000 years old Which is just fossils right like you never know and that they didn't find that until the 1920s or 30s

2:22:36They found teeth in an apothecary shop in China and this guy was there was an anthropologist like what where did you get this? Because they were a primate teeth, but they were fucking huge And so then they took them to the place and they found jaw bones and a few other pieces And this thing they've determined because of the shape of the jawbone that it was bipedal So it stood up on two legs and it was like eight to ten feet tall It was a giant, giant primate that was in the orangutan species Wow, so that could be bigfoot That could be what these people saw Yeah, absolutely So it probably existed in North America at one point in time But around the time of the Younger Dryas impact theory, which is 11,800 years ago Somewhere around 65% of all North American megafauna was eliminated All the woolly mammoths, giant sloths, American lion We had a lion that was bigger than the African lion that was in North America That, that Younger Dryas thing you're talking about

2:23:37That's a comet hitting there Yeah And that's what ended the ice age and that's what created the great lakes And that's what melted all the ice that was that covered most of North America back then during the ice age And are a lot of scientists agreeing that that's probably what happened Well, there's definitely debate, but there's a large group of legitimate scientists that are 100% convinced that we were hit It's a matter of what impact did that have and was that responsible Because there's a berserker theory The berserker theory is that humans just killed off everything We got so good at hunting, but the problem with that theory is Back then like there's not even evidence that they had bow and arrow yet Like they wouldn't be that good at it No, no No, especially like that the American lion and like mammoths and the giant sloths And there's so much shit that we don't even know how many people were here back then So it's and it's this is like ice age people Like with stone tip spears Yeah, like that Did they kill these thing? All of them, they killed all of them

2:24:38Right, and they weren't even riding horses They were just on foot Like, oh no Yeah It's much more likely that they all were wiped out by this fucking comet And if that's the case, maybe it wiped out Bigfoot too Well, that's my favorite one Out of all of the like Me too Bigfoot's the best one It's just, it would be a crazy thing to see You know Have you ever heard the recordings that these guys made That they said were Sasquatch recordings No I think they call them samurai recordings Because it literally sounds like almost like they're speaking Japanese It sounds so fake It sounds so fake But these people are uh There's groups of people out there that you'll tell them this is fake And they want to fight you Really? Oh, they're all in They're so committed to Bigfoot The guys that we met when Duncan and I went Bigfoot hunting They're so possessed by it Where'd you go? Where was that? Pacific Northwest It was like right outside of Seattle Right there I met this lady that was really convincing She said that she saw this thing She's like a biseric gorilla in the woods

2:25:39And she's like oh my god, it's Bigfoot And like she didn't seem kooky at all But I think what she saw was a bear And a bear standing like black bear standing up on their two legs And walk all the time So I should have they have a hurt paw They'll walk on two legs Huh I think she probably saw it But Pacific Northwest is so crazy Because I'm sure you've been up there right Yeah The woods are so dense That it's like a box of q-tips That's how I describe it Right You can't hardly see anything So if you're seeing some tall thing move between trees Just for a few steps That might be the only thing you see Right And your head just starts spinning And you start creating this Yeah This imaginary narrative Here's the recordings It's all for real Right there, right? Right

2:26:44So this guy's talking Oh my god, it's Bigfoot It's so so fake I don't buy that for a second Not a second Yeah But man, people, the Bigfoot dorks Like that show finding Bigfoot I had that dude What's his name, Bobo Is that the dude's name? We had him on And I told him I thought the Patterson footage was bullshit He's like, no He's like so upset It looks so fake It looks like a guy in a fucking gorilla suit And then the dude That they think That was wearing the suit What does his name again? I forgot the guy's name But the dude who they think was wearing the suit He looked like Bigfoot He walked like him There's like he walked like that footage Yeah, yeah, yeah Like he was a big old cowboy Big old fucking tall ass cowboy And he had a walk like a fucking gorilla Roger Patterson Well, Roger Patterson was a guy that filmed it, right?

2:27:46That's right The Patterson gimmon footage I thought one of them was the one in the suit And the other one filmed it He was mistaken But there's a side-by-side Of the actual stupid video That they're proclaiming to be Bigfoot And then this guy walking And I think it was a different guy Yeah, it could be I forget his name But it looks like that's him Have you ever had a flat earth around here? No That's sort of If it's some people that like want to dabble in it Like shut the fuck up That's the craziest one I don't want to have that conversation with people And people Yeah, because you lose Because the earth is fl- Listen Everything else is round Why would this place be flat? Yeah, why would it be- We can see all the rest of it For lying That's crazy Why would the people that get up in the fucking The space station be lying? We know it's circles We've seen it It spins around Yeah We have pictures of it Yeah, yeah We have satellites They think all the satellite images are earth or fake They think everything is fake I think a lot of that just gets a friend out

2:28:46Sure And then a lot of it is like Somehow or another it's biblical It's- It's people believe that it's That we're trying to hide it from us Because they don't want us to know that God is real Oh, like the firmament and all the stuff that the Bible says is above us Yeah, but you know what the Bible doesn't say? It doesn't say the earth is flat Right Never Never talks about it being flat Like they figured out the earth was round Thousands of years ago Like, snipers have to calculate the curvature of the earth Right When they're making shots Yeah, there's too many things against it Like the fact that we've seen it Yeah, it's the biggest one We know exactly what it looks like I had Roger Avery on the other day The director is really interesting guy And he went down a bunch of maybe too many Flat earth rabbit holes And he was like, well, you know pilots Don't have to adjust for the curve of the earth And then I talked to a friend of mine as a pilot He goes, you know why? Autopilot He goes the- Fucking it keeps you at an altitude Like it's- That makes sense Because you always- You know, you're the same Yeah Distance from the earth

2:29:47So that would make sense that you'd go on the curve Yeah Yeah, fucking dirt It's just that being something that people would- What's really interesting is there's this one guy Who takes people up to Antarctica to prove to them That the earth is round And like this idea that there's a- So he like takes- And there was one guy And he flew him out there And he's like, I can't believe- I believe this It's amazing He spends money He spends his own money He's taking these guys up there for free Educating- How does he prove it for about that? I just- Flies them up there And shows them You actually can fly over in Antarctica Like there's- You just don't- They don't want you flying over there Because if you crash No one's gonna come get you Right You know, you're dead Right It's like- But people do fly over it The idea that you can't is stupid There's no secret World War II base There's no wall there They're probably doing some weird experiments And shit up there though I do think that's true Like there's- There's some people that have some pretty convincing stories Of direct energy weapons And things that they're developing up there

2:30:47And there's a neutrino detector That they have up there That a lot of people think does a lot more than that And they think it might actually be able to Cause earthquakes and affect the weather And it's a- It's a weird rabbit hole to go down Sure But I'm sure the government's doing some Slippery shit That we don't know about up there Yeah Man, it's a weird like In this time That we have all the information Where like Nobody trusts the government anymore Has- Has it always been like that? Like- It has been a little bit That nobody trusts the government But now there's reason to not trust them Because we've seen what they've done with real events Like- Like the Epstein files And a lot of other stuff Where you're like JFK Where you're like Why don't you just buck and tell us What you know And the interest of national security Some things must be redacted Right There's a reason to not trust them Yeah, I get like growing up You see like older guys They're always They didn't trust the government The world's going to shit All this stuff And I'm like Am I just getting old

2:31:48Or is this happening to everyone Are we all doing this now? I think as you get older You also take in enough information That you know that they're not being straight with you About anything Right I mean this is- That was always been my argument About the moon landing Like you think that they're going to not lie About this one thing When they've lied about everything else Including how we got into Vietnam Kennedy's assassination Fill in the blanks Everything in the 1960s they lied about Sure Because they could There was no- Exactly You know They controlled all the information Yeah But that's what's interesting about today Like that's why There's less trust in the government Than ever Because we have more access to information So there's more reason To not trust them Yeah You know, it's like it's a squarely time Right Yeah, that's why I like living in Montana And it all goes down I'll be way far away Have you ever seen anything in the sky? Do you see like what the fuck is that? Um Have you seen anything weird? Nothing crazy No Um When we did decide to move there My wife and I had taken a little bit of mushrooms And the sky put on a little performance for us So that was part of the

2:32:49Like I think we're supposed to move here Oh really? Yeah Oh wow Yeah, it was uh, you know And This is a little induced But uh Yeah, it was And we both saw it And we were with people who didn't see it That were also On mushrooms So Interesting So it was a show just for you guys It's what it felt like Yeah, man We both were like Are you We were making sure it was the same thing And our friends were like What are you talking about Did they take the same dose? Yeah Yeah, so I think That was like Maybe they weren't supposed to go there That's right Maybe it's a fate thing Yeah We felt very spiritually connected to it after that Mmm It's a good place to be spiritually connected to It feels like you're supposed to be spiritually connected to it Because it's so It's one of the last places Like Wyoming's like that as well It's one of the last places where it's not tainted Even though there's cities there It's settled It's like It's so much more wild than it is tame That you still get this feeling of like humble Yeah You get You get humbled by

2:33:49Just the vast Spectacular nature of it Yeah, it's almost like We feel like nature is the novelty These days And it's like, no, man That everything that we messed up And put a bunch of concrete on Should be the novelty The nature is the actual thing That's the way we're supposed to be You know, and we've all kind of like flip that in our head And obviously I have the luxury To be able to live out in a place like that But the more I live there The more I feel like This is how I was meant to live You know, me personally I can't talk for anyone else But I'm just in a way Better place mentally and otherwise Yeah, there's this guy Who lives in the Arctic Like above the Arctic Circle Or near the Arctic Circle He They filmed him This vice documentary called Heinmo's Great Adventure And this guy's been living there Since like the 1970s He moved up there He's got a log cabin And he just lives up there All he does is Hunt's caribou and goes fishing And he's a really smart guy

2:34:50And this like nerdy reporter or glasses Goes up and hangs out with this guy for a few days And you know, the guy was really like Really Compelling in the way he was describing like I think this is how people are supposed to live Like I'm so much more calm and at peace It seems natural and normal Like this is how you're supposed to live And all he does is just like hunt and fish And he gets like some supplies dropped off to him Like you know Can't do good and shit Baking soda or whatever But most of his life is just living off of the land The proofs in the pudding man When I'm when I'm in a city for a long time And I'm on my phone And I'm looking at Instagram and all that stuff It takes a week before I feel insane Like completely crazy And if I just put that stuff away and go outside Even in a city Like if I just put that stuff down for a little bit And go outside and connect with the person I feel you know infinitely better Yeah And if you just look at you know The stuff on your phone

2:35:51And you're so sucked into that You would believe this is the world is a shitty place But then if you don't look at that And you go outside and you live your real life It doesn't take long before everything feels good again Yeah like you have hope again You know You're meeting your neighbors Or going to the grocery store Or going to the post office Like everything feels pretty good out there It's just your phone telling you That this place is terrible Yeah that's the this is the big bridge to crazy Much more than cities As these fucking things They're the bridge to crazy And like that's what AI is learning from It's only learning from all this terrible information We're putting online so And it's accelerated It can't learn from the real world It can't go to the grocery store And see that everyone's actually pretty good for the most part 99% of what you do out in your real life is fine You know But it's only going to see the worst of all of us And then and then show us that even more Show that back to us Because that's all it notes Right That's really scary to me man It is scary And it's never going to really appreciate a great song

2:36:53It's never going to really appreciate art It's not going to appreciate love Or community Or friendship Or any of those things It's not going to appreciate the feeling that you have You can just call your neighbor up And go to his house And shoot 500 yards And then it's back to our exactly You know what I mean it's not going to get that Right It's not going to get how cool that is That that guy's seven years old He hits a deer He's like I'm impressed It's an off Fucking 70 Yeah Seventy years old Hitting a deer You're supposed to be dead as fuck No man Not in my hand He's made looks like John Wayne Yeah Guys crazy I and you We can appreciate that Yeah That fucking AI doesn't give a shit about that They're going to get off the motorcycle You shouldn't be on the motorcycle, Dave Yeah And dude, dude Talking about music It can't make good songs though I've heard you play someone here And I My friends Will just, you know, whatever apps they have I don't really know all the new apps But they'll just give it a prompt And the song is incredible And it does it in 10 seconds It's spooky It's really weird But it's only doing it Derivatively Like it's only taking the songs

2:37:55That other people have written And just making sort of a Some sort of a conglomeration of them Spit it out Or it's Redoing like an old hip hop song In like a blues style Or you know Something like that Unfortunately, that's 99% of what humans do too Right It's all derivative anyway I know But at least it's a person Like something to me about Even if it's derivative If it's good, if it's catchy At least I know A dude and his friends Did that Yeah You know Yeah And you can get behind a person As an artist Like their stuff Until they aren't underground anymore You know Yeah, that's the silliness That is so silly, isn't it? Like if you really start to take off Someone's gonna eventually go Fuck that guy, I knew that guy When he was just fucking just start now He was pretty good His songs were good And then he made it It's gonna be controversial But the first Coldplay album Is still amazing You know But they got so huge that

2:38:55I hate Coldplay now And you're like But they They aren't really good I like Coldplay I don't know But like Music derives They're like They can't do Coldplay Because they're doing stadiums And And your mom likes them now I think that was one of the things That people didn't like about Nickelback Because that Nickelback was almost like the first AI You know what I mean? Like that rock star song That was like That was like an AI version Of like a lot of like Like Cypress Hill had a rock star song It was like But Cypress Hills Sounds so much more genuine Like genuine Whereas the Nickelback one Is like almost like These guys are just two AI It's almost like they were It's the beginning of sort of like auto tune And all that stuff But auto like really good auto tune that you couldn't tell Not like the auto tune that's in rapper you know Their auto tune on purpose It was like Everything's so perfect And it almost doesn't sound like humans playing music Right In the subject matters Like I've heard all this stuff before Yeah That's the problem

2:39:56Right down the middle Yep It was AI Nickelback was the first AI music I don't know People were weird with their taste And they want you to like what they like That's what's really weird Like you have to like what they like Yeah Or they get mad at you Yeah For sure What are you gonna do Well listen man I really enjoyed talking to you So I'm fun Thanks for having me I love your fucking show I can't wait to watch Marshalls Because I love you On the Yellowstone It's fucking great show I'm really bummed out to your wife's dead now though That sucks Yeah It was rough I didn't Yeah I love Kelsey And we love working together But you know Ultimately You don't want to just sit and watch a guy be happy That wouldn't be a very good show You know You need You needed a motor I can't say that cool relationship though I know But he had his dream life And they were happy together So You can't watch that for 50 hours Or however long This ends up going Well he knows how to mix it up I'll tell you that A dude knows Taylor knows how to fucking

2:40:56Throw a monkey wrench into things And make it crazy Absolutely Make it interesting So I can't wait to watch it Thanks buddy Thank you Thanks for being here All right Bye everybody