#290 Zach Lahn - Inside America’s Cancer-Causing Chemical Problem

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I got a little question for you before we get going that doesn't really relate to what we're

talking to but I just want to knock it out. The USDA says the average US farmer is 58.1 years old

and in Iowa the average producer is 57.6. Vice's tractor hacking coverage on farmers fighting repair

restrictions went viral with a related vice YouTube video servicing it about 13 million views.

I had no idea people were that concerned about this. This sounds like I had a conversation about

this exact thing with Secretary Driscoll about right to repair for our military. I didn't even

know this was going on in the farming communities. Here's some here's some points. Producers under 35

nationally 296,480 9% of all producers that's not that's not good. Just context for the audience that's

that's the up and coming generation. Iowa producers under 35 15,782. The FTC sued deer in 2025 over repair

restriction allegations and ruders reported a judge let that antitrust suit proceed.

Deer has denied any wrongdoing. What do you say to the next generation of farmers watching their

parents work 16 hour days to buy farm equipment and they still feel like they don't control what they

actually own. Are you dealing with this on your farm? You know we don't use but I use more legacy

equipment older equipment partially for this exact reason. But what I say to producers especially

young ones is I think what they need to understand is this is being done on purpose. They're doing

this on purpose. What I mean by that is that you know my whole life every politician I've ever met

has said we have to support farmers we have to support farmers and everything's gotten worse

for the actual producer. And so if you actually look at the past 10 years

and what the agribusiness lobby has spent in Washington DC it's about a one and a half billion

dollars in the past 10 years lobbying Congress. The top five companies during that same time have made

about a hundred and fifty billion dollars in profit. In the same time we've lost a hundred thousand

farms. A hundred thousand thousand family farms. So who are they lobbying for? It's not the farmer.

It's not the producer. This is something that sometimes is difficult to bring up

because you know right now Bobby Kennedy is really fighting against like big food for instance.

And I've been told by people that taking on the fight that I'm taking on with big agriculture

is much more difficult. And there's a reason for that. And the reason is big agriculture

has created a caricature of farming and they're pretending to be the people that are defending the

heritage of our farmers. But actually the ones extracting every dollar of wealth out of our farms

that they possibly can and bragging about farm consolidation. It's like I just farm consolidation.

You know is that buying a bunch of family farms and putting them together? It's that

on glomerate. Yeah it's that you know the producers the farms are getting bigger and bigger and

bigger. And so what that actually means and we've done the opposite on my farm and I love to talk

to you about that. But what that actually means is every time one of these farms goes away or

disappears there's life that we lose in our rural communities. And our rural communities in Iowa

in the Midwest they're on life support. But these companies want to work with bigger and bigger

producers. And we know that. We know we know why they want to do that. It's easier. They

they have less cost when they're dealing with less customers. They can control people easier.

And so the statistics that you're talking about about young farmers you know the world economic

forum talked about that you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. This is a part of it.

You're 25% of Iowa's farmland at least 25% is now owned by people who don't live in the state.

Out of state funds and investors a quarter of my state is owned by people who will never go to a

Friday night football game in our small town who aren't shopping on our main streets. Like

this is in line with blackstone buying single family homes. The same thing is happening to our agriculture

community. The thing that's so difficult for what I'm trying to undertake right now is to get to

the farmers to help them understand that this is happening on purpose. They don't want more family

farms. And a matter of fact if you go to the WF they don't want sovereignty for our country.

And so what's one of the ways you can strip away sovereignty is to have them have an insecure

food base in the state. You can't feed yourself how you sovereign. And it's gotten you know

Sean it's gotten very bad to this point. You know I'll be in these debates with people about

the use of agriculture chemicals and things like that. And when I'm in them they keep talking

about this idea that well we need this to produce food. We need glyphosate for instance to produce

food. And what they're not discussing is that in my state of Iowa 0.03% of our acres are used to

produce anything that will end up on your plate in its original form. Could you say that again?

0.03% of our acres out of 24 million acres is roughly 9,000 acres in Iowa is used to produce

any produce food that will end up on your plate in its original form.

So it's primarily holy shit. It's all chemicals. And it's like so they have they're producing ethanol.

They're like we can talk about these things but they're producing feed that will then be shipped

out of state for animals and shipped out of our country for animals. Iowa has the best farm

land in the world I would say and we import 95% of our food. So there's a big movement of people

that want to see you know homesteading and smaller farms crop up but when you have out of state

investors that are coming in and buying up land and jacking up the price of land there's not one

young person that can afford to get on land. And so your statistics I look at it from even a

different perspective. I look at it from this perspective that aging population of farmers

they're on break even margins now because they're being extorted by big agriculture companies

that continue to raise their prices even as commodity prices stay the same or drop because they

form monopolies now you know Donald Trump and Brooke Rollins are talking about this talking about

breaking these these monopolies up in other a few other politicians have talked about it

but there used to be a heritage in my state where you know grandpa would run the farm and then when

he got older he would step away often he would move to a different house and then son would farm

and raise the family that's what happened with my family but the idea of supporting two incomes

two families now in Iowa it's basically gone for the average farmer damn so we're we're heading

towards a cliff and you know just a little bit of where I come from on this is that in my family

came to Iowa in 1850 around then actually my great great grandfather was one of the famed

Hawkeyes on horseback in the Civil War he was you know they participate actually fought in the battle

in Nashville just in Gearsons raid these were people that were brought in an Iowa second Calvary

to go counter the opposing Calvaries that were you know wreaking havoc and he was in a state that

wasn't a part of this battle is in America but you know wasn't what was going on around the

in the country was not happening in Iowa at the end of the Civil War more islands fought in the

Civil War than any other state per capita no kidding yes and there's deep reasons for that and it's

about where they came from and what they were leaving and that in Germany when they came over

they had just you know left this feudal system they were trying to have an uprising

they were defeated they were exiled Iowa came online right in 1846 heavy agrarian culture

so you have these people that were fleeing a country primarily because they wanted to control

their destiny they wanted to own their land they wanted to build to build their communities

and then you see what happens with the expansion the potential expansion of slavery

and all these very wealthy people on the east coast that were slave owners wanting to make

the Midwest slave states so they could control it

I firmly believe that part of the reason that Iowa stood up and the way that they did

was because they fled that situation in their own country and they didn't want to

happening where they were so he came over and then about 20 years later my great-great-grandfather

came over on a ship from Hamburg by himself at 14 and he was in the stowage of the ship and he

made his way to Iowa and then in 1900 they built he and his uncle built our family homestead

in bell plane and that place was a place of deep stories for decades and decades from the great

depression to World War Two to my great-great-grand uncle fighting in World War I going overseas fighting

in World War I and coming back to run the local newspaper while his brother kept everything

studying study with the farm and then my grandpa mowing a runway in the bean field and buying

a 1942 tailor craft and learning how to fly and starting a career in aviation and his

brother who off-air craft care is in the Pacific in the 40s.

These are our stories of our history and our culture and our people and in 2005 my family

farm was sold my great grandma of the past away and my grandma had called me at the time

and I was in college and asked me if I wanted that wanted anything to do with the farm.

I didn't know what that would be but I was out in Colorado at the time I was like no

I'm I'm I'm gone.

But if you fast forward a number of years I stopped in just to see the farm and I was going

to visit a family over in East Iowa and I just told them if you're ever going to sell

this place please let me know and then they called me a couple years later and they said

hey we're going to sell would you like to buy and before I could even think about it

I said yes 100 percent I want to buy this.

So in 2014 I bought the family farm back and then over the past 11 years I've spent restoring

that farm board by board using old pictures that I got from my great grandmother's photo

collection and during that time I remember you know a story that people often ask me

why did I do that and what I what comes to me is that you know I really want my children

to understand their story.

I want them to understand their history like who built them and that these generations

before them toiled and suffered and jumped in to go to the Civil War when they didn't

have to and like to protect what we have and I wanted them to understand that deep story

and connect to it.

It was never because I wanted to run for office I actually don't even want to be a politician.

But I remember after I bought the farm I was down in the basement is I had signed the papers

came to the farmhouse as down in the basement I was leaning in a wooden post in the basement

this is actually happened and I just said to myself what am I doing like this place needs

so much work it's going to take forever like it was a stretch to buy it in the first place

to get the loan and I'm leaning on this post and I turn and the post are the initials

V L is my grandpa and I just said to myself this is why I'm doing it because these things

truly matter that we don't forget where we came from and so bringing this into what

you just talked about that's what's at stake that's what's being taken from us.

And so me deciding to run for governor was a choice of wanting to throw everything

I have in to protect the culture that help build my state build my people and say it's

worth preserving like this is worth preserving it's provided for the greatest alleviation

and suffering ever known to mankind our culture has great prosperity and if you look back

at the principles of what of where what they came to do it wasn't that they came here to get rich

they came here with the basics of freedom and now much of that is being taken away

and so that's why I'm in this race I often ask myself is there room for people in politics who

still actually care that's the question of the fucking day man it's a question I

I it comes up often and here's what I love I'm not out there talking about my opponents in

a negative way at all I won't do it it's not it's not why I'm here I'm not out trying to make

people afraid that I was going to become the next Minnesota if we we like don't do x y or z

I'm here it's wrong with Minnesota if you're a daycare provider nothing oh shit

it you know I just believe that my job what God's calling me to do in this time and my life

is to tell a better story about what we could be as a state to bring people together about that

and I will tell you when I'm out on the campaign trail and I'm new to all this like I don't

like I've never done this before I don't have a script that I'm going off of I have a couple

key points that I'm really I'm really passionate about but what I try to do is just tell the truth

to people and not worry about what these big companies lobbyists or special interests are going

to think about me and just believe like to the point I mentioned earlier that God's going to

protect me in this hole endeavor and then he's got a plan for this it's a good boy to live

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crime not everything is urgent but this show will focus on what is need to know not just what is

nice to know I don't know if I could do it any other way I think everywhere we look we see the

opposite in politics like what's expedient what will get people to donate to me you know I had

somebody once mentioned to me it was that you need to imagine every voters walking around with

little buttons on them and your job is to figure out what those buttons are what they what they like

and push as many as you can civil like you I say guys geez this is not at all what people are asking

for they once they I believe they want people that are willing to take on the big systemic issues

that they're facing it's getting to the fucking point where I'll just take anybody with a spine

you got a spine you have a fucking pole like it's it's I just feel so lied to

it's it's I mean we talked about it when when you know when our mutual friend Rich connected us

yeah I reached called me about you and I was like I don't know man I don't I don't know if I

want to interview another fucking guy running for office and we chatted a little bit and I was like

all right I'll give I'll give Zach a call and we chatted and and I really liked what you had to

say I mean we talked about it it was just like man I just sat in front of I don't know how many

politicians now and they're just fucking lie lie lie yeah I mean it's so much hope so much hope

for this administration and I don't know about everybody else but my hope went right down the

fucking shitter in less than a year and you know when I know we're gonna talk about this but you

know the fucking maha movement I was all about that shit I'm scared to death of cancer

I just found out about microwaves the other day now we're shit can our fucking microwave

I wife throws out years ago but but you know what I mean I'm all excited like oh they're gonna

clean up the food they're gonna give her these pesticides they're gonna give her all the shit

what do I see the other day we fucking they ran they fucking ran hard on this stuff man hard on

this all the all the health influencers and the doctors with big names they're all fucking rallying

around the maha movement oh let's throw a big fucking party less than a year in well I don't I

don't know if anything has changed other than I saw that they they's Trump signed an executive

order and fucking RFK backed him and said we're gonna give immunity to was a bear is a bear

whatever it is these sorts of glyphosate based herbicides yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah thank you

Trump thank you RFK good fucking job way to fucking stick to your constituents

you know shit gives me chills man it's just every fucking thing that came out of these guys's mouth

as a fucking lie it just makes me think what is what is the fucking point of voting is there a point

I think I think there are far too many people that are coming to that same conclusion that are

just saying why am I doing this you know I it doesn't mean you give up but I can tell you one

thing fucking vote isn't gonna fix this shit yeah they're we're reaching a tipping point

and I think more and more people look you look at why somebody like Nick Fuentes is getting a

giant audience what do you think that is what happened to the hundred Biden laptop why has an

Anthony Fauci been arrested yet what about like all of these politicians that have been in on a lot

of this you know this global ring of pedophilia like and then you wonder why are young people checking

out was because they just see it all as a lie I deal with this all the time in what I'm doing right

now because as somebody who actually wants to make a difference and change things in the beauty of

the constitution and the tenth amendment says that I can do that in my state like I have zero

interest in being in Washington DC whatsoever I think it's my personal view and people will

you know Republicans will come after me for saying this is that it's beyond repair it's in

let me give you an example why gosh I'm getting a bit upset here but well let's go back to farming

over the past ten years the agriculture companies have spent a billion and a half dollars

lobbying Washington DC a billion and a half during that same time their profits have went up 150

billion dollars and at the same time we've lost a hundred thousand family farms okay so I mentioned

that earlier but what does that mean it means that there there's a capture of these agencies that's

so deep that lobbyists are able to put in place whatever policies that they want to basically

we've seen this now like with with these immunity we've been with all kinds of shit we see

them with other countries we see it with with with the glyphosate stuff we see we see it with

pharmaceuticals see with oil and gas we see it with it fucking every everywhere but the actual

American people that's they give a fuck about everything else but the American people well and

that's when I go back to this idea that you know farmers in my state are starting to understand

that these companies are not their friends they're like look they're charging foreign farmers

these three big companies in our country are charging foreign farmers less for the same amount of

product than they charge our farmers just like they were doing in pharmaceuticals so they're saying

if you yield more crop we're gonna take more money because we can and there's a complete monopoly

nobody wants to address it but there is so the hard part for me is that as I'm talking about

these things there's there's there's a divergence farmers understand these companies are extorting

them but the part that gets me is that there's such a complex of working organisms in DC and in

lobbyists and capital in the capitals that have gaslit these people to make them believe that

these products are safe for their health safe products don't need immunity from liability

full stop if you want to see an example of that look at the vaccine situation we have in our

country right now the 1986 vaccine immunity has probably caused the greatest amount of suffering

of any piece of legislation that we've we've had and so what happens when we see it's that one and

a half billion dollars of lobbying that these companies do this surprises not more than that

oh well that's just for one industry in one sector I mean right now in DC I read that bear has

spent nine bear has two lobbyists per member of congress right now pushing for this immunity

the average amount they spend per member of congress is more than the members of congress make

in a year this is the capture and when I'll go back to is talking about what they've been doing with

this immunity and so when you look at what they're actually doing I say this like right now we have

these companies pushing at the state capitals we have them pushing at the Supreme Court we have them

putting things into the farm but which by the way I don't think you should be able to enter

something into a bill in Washington DC without your name being next to it of who actually put this

in it's like we need a blockchain service that says like here's who put this ridiculous idea and

that's going to help this one special interest so we know exactly who to talk to about that and who

to go after about that and then you have the executive order so this what I say this is how big

agricultural wages war that's what they're doing because they continue to lose in court

and just just to summarize that when you talk about this gaslighting of people say what what these

paid people from these companies continue to say about this is that all these juries aren't scientists

what I tell people is bear in monsanto can afford the best attorneys in the world they have no

shortage of cash they have every bit of influence in the jury selection process as the plaintiffs do

and these juries are hearing about a hundred hours of evidence in these each of these trials these

major trials and they're still losing and so why is that because we have internal documents for one

for one thing that show exactly that they what they knew and that they knew it

there's actually things in these documents that are so egregious like this

right now in europe the type of agricultural roundup that we use is banned yeah

people don't talk about this and when the industry people talk about they say it's a lie but what

they say glyphosate isn't banned in the EU that's true glyphosate isn't banned in the EU but the

formulation of roundup that we use the United States is banned in the EU because it's so toxic so

what did monsanto do and I think 2015 when this was coming out in the EU they reformulated their

their roundup into a formulation that by some measures is 20 times less toxic than what we use

the United States and then there's emails now is there a food production gone down

I'm just curious oh and you know now there's a food production not gone down but also they have

far more stringent levels of what's even allowed us residue on their products that's why

you hear so many people saying they can go to europe and eat brad or eat pasta or things like

this and they don't feel sick afterwards but in these emails from what's called the monsanto files

which are oh shit more email files more email file here we go here we go in these emails

what you see is a captured agency the EPA is captured but you also see a lot of internal emails

between monsanto executives and people at monsanto and each other so for instance when the EU

was saying this formulation that you use in the United States we're not going to lie to use

it's with something called POEAs polyoxyl-ethylated talonines it's actually the product within

glyphosate within roundup that they formulate to have it break down the skin basically

of the plant to allow it to enter the plant easier well it does that on human skin too

it actually operates on fat and so and this is this is I'll get into this in a little bit but

this is part of what they don't want people to talk about is that they'll always say glyphosate is

safe and they will not talk about glyphosate based herbicides which are known to be far more

toxic because the product can actually get in your bloodstream quicker and more efficiently

so the one of the emails that was shared between the monsanto EU representative and the US

company after they reformulated that to make it safer for the EU the email went out that said

why would we continue to make a harmful product when we can make a safer one and they didn't

change a thing they know how to make these products safer we have their internal communications to

know that they're lying to us but instead of owning up and putting a warning on the label which

is what they would have to do to stem the tide of a lot of this they are going after state

houses and trying to get immunity they're putting it in the farm bill to get immunity they're now

pushing the Supreme Court to get immunity and they now have an executive order which just

to dispel any confusion does not exclude immunity at all meaning there's nothing in that executive

order that says that it does not apply to product liability I mean we just saw I mean you we're

just talking about it before they before we sat down here I mean we was a rusty grills a state

congressman or something here in Tennessee I got I got I got a call by

shit I can't I'm drawing a blank here but you ran for congress almost fucking one nobody's

ever heard of him and you shot me a text and you know told me about this this this bill that was

getting ready to get signed into law yeah the rusty grills you saw the the clip yeah thank and

you know so I call I got that the day they were signed I'm like well shit I got like 30 minutes

he's like well you got an hour I was like okay I was like just give me the details and I'll

I'll get something out and you gave me the details and I wanted to you know you saw a little

selfie video bill got yanked 30 minutes after that's what I saw I saw your video but then everybody's

texted me saying oh this don't worry it's gonna come up again oh it'll come up again but it's

these people are fucking they are paying attention they know what we want especially especially

the federal government yeah I mean country's been pretty loud about a lot of things and they're just

they're just willfully ignoring everything we want and doing whatever the hell they please

it's it's fucking insane it's insane let me let me give you an introduction here real quick Zach

should have done this at the beginning Zach Lane a six-generation Iowan your regenerative farmer

and businessmen running to become the next governor of Iowa independent of party leadership

son of a Christian pastor raised with a strong foundation and faith family and service

founder of home place ventures investing in agriculture real estate and technology with a focus

on local ownership husband to Annie you're raising seven children together and most importantly

you're a Christian yeah welcome to the show thank you I think um as I hear you read that you know

something that comes to me is that um as you said most important is a Christian

that might be where in the deepest part of me this really like gets me is that you know my dad

was a 30-year conservationist he's a pastor conservationist um and as I was growing up the lessons

that he was teaching me about stewarding creation about taking responsibility and doing the right

thing with your land and with your property that all ties back to as Jordan Peterson would say

beauty is a pathway to God to the divine it all connects in and so when I take a look at what's

happening around the state of Iowa with a farmland being owned by people don't live here which

you can't steward land properly if you don't live in the state you can't take care of it the way

that you would and you look at single-family homes being bought by trillion dollar you know wall street

hedge funds or you look at agriculture companies extorting farmers and putting monopolistic practices

in place this comes back to like something of faith for me meaning there is such thing as right

and wrong that there are things that we are called to do and you know of all the laws that

that were given in the Old Testament Jesus boiled them down to two love the Lord your God without

your heart minus soul and love your neighbor as yourself and he actually when he was pressed on

this by the Pharisees who's your neighbor he kind of came back to the other question is to

whom are you being neighborly because it's not a it's not a law of like oh this person that person

like who's within proximity of where I live it's actually much deeper that we are tasked with

working to make life better for the people around us and the people our communities in our state

and this key question that the Amish have asked for a very long time before they make a big decision

which is what will this change do to my community before they make the decision has not been asked

by politicians in a very long time and so when I'm thinking about running that's what it comes back

to for me is this idea of when I'm gone what are my kids going to be able to look back you know before

I come came on to this podcast my prayer is very simple I want to put something

into the world that my children can look back on and be proud that their dad was fighting for

something that really mattered 100% get that and so when I look at what's going on in Iowa

and I tie it back to our heritage as a people and I just wonder are my kids going to even want to

live here with everything that's going on a lot of people looking at dual citizenship right now

so I'm fucking one of you don't come to Iowa you mean dual citizenship I will give you like I

would love to but I don't want to get fucking cancer I know I know you know and and let's take

we're going to come right back to farming but you brought something up just a minute ago that I

want to hit on and and so I want to tie I want to talk about Christianity the federal government

and state governments yeah you just a few minutes ago you had said that you think that I believe

you said that you think that something along the lines of the federal government is unrepairable

and that you would get pushed back from Republicans for saying that do you do you believe that

do I believe it's not unrepairable yeah yeah I you know I do too this is what I think it's

completely fucking gone looks gone you know here's the thing there's this idea of the American

experiment and that is real and true and good but if you look at the deviation we've had from that

I think the most one of the common questions that comes up for me is what do I think is the most

pressing issue facing the country today and I keep coming back to this our countries run by

unelected people and we don't know who they are and so if you're in a in a republic figuring out who

they are but if you're in a republic and your elected officials aren't making the decisions for

you that you have big business that you have special engineering lobbyists that you have undue

influence from foreign governments like if that's the situation you're in like my tendency to say

let's hunker down and make Iowa amazing and let's get ready for whatever comes next because I want

my state to be one that's prosperous to be one that has great education clean water that like people

have opportunity in my state but no I have no interest in running for office to be in Washington DC

and you know what I think there are good people really trying to do the right thing you asked my

personal opinion and I'm not a politician so I'm just going to tell you it I like to me it's

beyond repair I think so too so much so that I've less than five congressmen less than five people

and in federal politics and altogether I think are are like true to to their constituents true to

their word and and they know what they know what honor means and you know they have actual real

values and I've tried to convince every single one of them to come back to the state and come back

and run our fucking state because this is the only thing we have left as the states yeah we don't

have a federal government that shit is run away every fucking institution the CIA the FBI all of

them all of them I mean I just had a guy on here goes by AJ got blasted with a microwave weapon

if you heard about Havana syndrome you know what the CIA told him that they have to make a decision

between their people in the institution taking care of their people or the institution they'll

pick the institution and they will willing willingly lie to Congress to cover this shit up

that's our fucking now how can we trust anything at all anything that comes out of an institution

that's openly that that says I guess not openly behind closed doors that they will willingly lie

to Congress and that's just one institution well institutional capture has been

has been done on purpose and been going on for a very long time and now we're seeing like look I

think the people that would sympathize with what you and I are saying the most is the average voter

I think so too like you you talk about the average voter and what hope they believe that we have in

Washington DC and like this was something I had to think deeply about because I wasn't planning to

run for the seat you know seat hasn't been open in 20 years in Iowa the longest serving governor

in the history of America's from Iowa what I had to look at was with the issues I'm talking to you

about that I'm watching every day in my state was I willing to not do this knowing that the next

governor could be there till I die there's no term limits and the the the institutional capture

is very real I'm not the establishment candidate but I'm also not somebody who's like here to

I was it's what I am here to do is give my people a voice to say what you and I are talking about

they're talking about we hear it and they'd have to kill me to change the way I view these things

to get me to do something different that would be adverse to what the state and the people need

it's like I told somebody the other day I heard this term is called somebody to use the term

economic nationalism it was basically this idea that like the economy and the the government

of the country should be there to focus on making life better for the people in the country

and I think like did we ever think that there was anything else did we mean we see something else

but like this is what it's supposed to be the state of Iowa its economy its government

all the efforts it's undertaking should be solely focused on making life better for the people

that are living there and let me give you one of the most egregious examples about this in my own state

right now there's three big companies that control 85% of the agriculture input market

when I was growing up in Iowa there were over 300 companies they've bought up and bought up and

consolidated and consolidated this way farmers have the illusion of choice one of those companies

is company called Sanjenta Sanjenta is 100% owned by the state of China 100%

and we can get into what they produce and all of these things and that but let me just say this

first since being Chinese owned the state government of Iowa has given a Chinese company

seven and a half million dollars in refundable tax credits paid for by the taxpayers

propping up a Chinese company see this is this is where I was going to sorry

we see all this waste fraud and abuse you know and they always want to fucking raise the taxes

let's raise taxes so we can send it to Israel we can send it to Ukraine we can send it to

fucking whoever you know we can we can we can pay China's fucking you know whatever bill

tax you know the taxpayers will pay it you know what that's another it's it's like I don't even

uh why can't I mean we need strong we need strong governors and state legislators and you know

what what would it take for a state to go fuck you federal government we're not paying taxes

we're gonna raise our state taxes we don't need your fucking funding we don't need any of your

bullshit none of it fuck you we're gonna raise our state taxes and if you send in any fucking IRS

agents we're gonna have them arrested and put in fucking jail and in the state I mean is that

even a is that even is that a possibility because the government is just it is it is all waste fraud

and abuse greed pedophilia it's that's what it is it is what it is like you can't hide this shit

anymore you know and so why why aren't more you know why aren't more people standing up and taking

control I just it just you know one of the things let me say this first is that what you're talking

people talk to me running for governor about this idea of like foreign aid and I say my state

doesn't have clean drinking water exactly why would I ever want to send one dollar to any foreign

country when we have the fastest rate of new cancer in the history of civilization we don't have

clean drinking water like no this is this is what I'm talking about this is where we expect our

dollars to stay in our state to benefit our people and the idea that we'd use refundable tax credits

to support a Chinese company when by the way we have homegrown Iowa companies that compete with them

that compete one of these guys testified in front of a congressional hearing which let me just say

this like this goes to your example how many times we've seen a congressional hearing about this

or this thing come up and it's like congress is talking about and absolutely nothing happens

too worried about aliens right now aliens and fucking UFOs what's the next shitting me

in this aliens fucking aliens that's what they're talking about when you see that come out it's

just like anybody that's awake is just like I'm sorry what like we're we're we're done being

distracted from the things that actually matter we we're smarter than this but in this hearing

on what's going on in the agriculture input markets one entrepreneur third-generation Iowa

seedsman creating independent seeds who's competing against these companies is talking about

what these companies do what just a little little background here you know we have GMO seeds

and so those genetics have patents on them and the patents last about 20 years and once they're

the patent runs out they're supposed to go into a seed library so an independent seed maker can

pull that seed off the shelf and they can use it to make their own version and usually often most

often like generic drugs cheaper what this third-generation seedsman testified about in front of congress

is that when these big companies two companies control all of the seed genetics in our country

when one of those big companies puts that that on the shelf in the seed library before they do it

they scramble the name of it into random letters and numbers so he can't figure out what it is

and yes it continue going to to them to for royalties and pay royalties to get seeds

holy shit and so in and where's the justice system on this this is what people we come back to

and so yes as governor I've already said very very openly I plan to sue the federal government

every chance I get and just to be very clear I actually think Donald Trump would like that you

know the chevron doctrine was overturned saying that like that if congress didn't specifically put

a regulation in place the state we can sue now if regulators have made up their own rules which

they've made up millions and probably billions of pages of these rules but we have got to get back

to the point where we're looking to say how are we going to liberate ourselves from exactly what

you're talking about the first step I would do is sue but this also just goes back to why I'm not

running for congress it's like I agree with what you're saying about we need to go deep in our state

we need to have good governors who are willing to stand up and just put it all on the line I've had

people already asked me Sean not that you know people just ask these questions are you thinking

about doing anything bigger than this no I'm not I don't want to do anything different than this

matter of fact this isn't something I woke up in the morning said I really like to go do this

and put my family through all this what I said was if I don't do this if I don't bring this up

if I don't put my own money into this and say to these donors I don't want your funds

how much longer is the state that I love that I grew up in that my family like helped to pioneer

how much longer is that can even be recognizable to me probably not very long not very

long but I believe that with the right governor any here's the thing we have things we could change

in the state of Iowa that that a governor could change right now to make some of the hot button

issues that the voters are talking about like go away or get much better and even on the republican

side we're not doing it I mean there's been great advancements and you know we've we've passed

school choice legislation we've lowered taxes and all these things but what I often say to people

is like this is not about taxes or regulations this is about our culture and identity as as

islands and as Americans the free market doesn't take into account culture it doesn't fix cultural

issues oftentimes it makes them worse people ask me what do you mean by that it's like

what's the free market solution for the declining church attendance in our country

we have to make those decisions and that's that that is actually the sole reason I am running

is to say we have to get the culture right in our state if we don't get the culture right like

we're gonna end up like Washington DC because the same people they're buying off politicians and

looking for influence in Washington DC are coming to the states are coming less and less because

more and more powers being concentrated in DC but that's why we have to start suing and we have

to start saying we're gonna be bringing this back into the control of our state

so to me it goes back to culture it goes back to who are we what do we want to stand for as a

people and do the traditions and the heritage of our state and our ancestors matter to us

because I can tell you they would have revolted for far less than what's going on right now

oh yeah and they did for far less you know I was talking to somebody about the conditions of

farming in Iowa and he was telling me a story that I ended up looking up and it was about

you know in the 30s about how bad farming conditions were

and there was farmers from basically 80% of the counties in our state that started protesting

to such a level that the sheriff's had to bring out submachine guns and I would actually say

that the conditions we have right now are worse were to the point where you'll have people talk

about farming as if it's just a hobby meaning like you have to have an off farm job to support

your family but you're still farming and I've even seen seen agricultural established people

bragging about that it's like pay they just love they do it for free they just love it

I'm liking you don't understand this like this is a key part of our heritage and we're being poisoned

with our food we import 95% of what we eat in the state and basically none of our land is actually

grow anything that we eat the entire chessboard is backwards yeah let's talk about the

collapse of the family farms yeah you want to yeah love to what do they turn on them into data

centers the big thing right now a lot of a lot of real estate investors are looking for land

next to power grid so that they could build a huge data center yeah we'll sit out to a big data

center let me answer your first question is what what's happening to family farms most of the time

they're being bulldozed and farmed over so the place like my house I was afraid that was going to

happen to my family's home that's why I couldn't say no when the opportunity kept to buy it for me

because what used to be these small farm sets dotting all these places and known by the last name

of the people who lived there for a hundred years are just being bulldozed farmed over and forgotten

but when you talk about bigger efforts you talked about your data centers there's

many examples of how this is happening across the country and what's happening in Iowa too

you know if you go to the south of Cedar Rapids so if you're in Cedar Rapids you head south towards the

airport you will drive past what used to be farmland that had been farmland for generations and

generations that now looks like a military installation is being put in I've never seen so many

pieces of heavy equipment in my life I've never seen something built so quickly in my life

and what it is is two companies Google and QTS have about 1400 acres of farmland

and they're building data centers there now I'm not going to get into like the bait about like

whether we should have data centers or not I think we're being a bit premature on this especially

with Elon Musk talking about putting them in space but in that there's a broader issue here of

we're not thinking through it all what AI is going to do to us as a people or our communities

so like I could come to that discussion in a different way but just from a policy perspective or

just a principle perspective on on this the city of Cedar Rapids gave one of those data centers

529 million dollars in tax rebates

what half a billion dollars in tax rebates to come to Cedar Rapids to put this data center in

and let me just say this in the contract they're contractually obligated to create jobs

as part of this to receive these tax breaks for 529 million they're contractually

obligated to create 30 jobs 17 million dollars a job it's a big paycheck huge and what I say is

like look you want to build a data center in Iowa I'm going to charge you far more in property

tax and I'm going to use it to lower the property taxes the people in the communities that you're around

we won't be taking advantage of anymore is what I'm trying to say whether it's agriculture

companies they have to sue to break up their monopolies or just say something as common as look

100 billion dollar multinational tech companies are searching across the country to find land

to build data centers and get approval from governments

they're the ones that should be on the opposite end of this negotiation

we they we should be saying to them what are you going to offer us because 30 jobs in 529

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so that when we go back to this idea Sean you know something I give Trump a lot of credit for

is pioneering the idea of America first you know before Trump came into under the scene nobody's

even really talking about China in a major way from the political standpoint everything was good

like the free trade we have with him is good even though it's hauled out an entire region of people

who then ended up getting addicted opioids and dying off at faster rates they're all saying how

our partnership with China is great and then Trump came in and said they're taking advantage of us

we're suckers he's right 100% right so when I talk to people about what it means to be Iowa first

like this is part of my campaign it's like but like I want to put Iowa first it's not just a slogan

it's saying like if you're a multinational if you're owned by a foreign government you're getting

zero dollars from my state period those dollars will go towards homegrown Iowa entrepreneurs

to build their life to build their company and compete with you and hopefully make it so you

have a hard time keeping up that's what it should be that's the idea of putting Iowa first it's

the same thing about these data centers it's like we like we have two amazing assets in our state

we have our children and we have our farmland we have some of the best in the world

to give them over to hundred billion dollar multinational tech companies and then pay them basically

to do it it doesn't make sense and here's going back to what you said earlier voters know this

when I talk to them about Syngenta getting refundable tax credits from the state I don't care

how many high quality jobs they say they're creating the voters don't want this they don't want to

support a Chinese company and they want to support Iowa companies so this goes back to just

we've taken our eye off the ball our politicians aren't paying attention to the right things and

I believe they they're not asking the right questions about what will these changes do to our

community and they do not care about the culture of our state and our people that's what I was

going to say I don't know if they're not paying attention but they definitely don't care yeah they

just don't give a shit yeah because there's no repercussions yeah there's no consequences done

don't get reelected what's Congress have like a 95% re-election rate something like that 5% approval

rating and 95% re-election rate yeah like if you think the you know if you think the the elections

are are good I mean let's we're we're fucking ourselves over here yeah well you know

you know what I mean and you know when they have they know they have donation limits to run for

those seats right well that just puts them in such an advantage I actually think the limits put

them in advantage in some ways because you know and I'm not saying take it take don't

not have donations we don't have any in my race which is part of the reason I can go elsewhere

because as you could probably imagine my message within the big agriculture community of donors

isn't exactly popular but and so I'm going elsewhere to raise funds from people who want to see

the agriculture the culture of agriculture in our state restored regenerative farming safer

practices less cancer but if you look at Congress you know finding those people if you're an

upstart candidate who who are going to be willing to give you the $7,000 piece I mean you have to

put a lot of that money together to be able to wage any sort of battle against one of these

entrenched people and so in every every part of the deck is stacked against the person that's

trying to unseat somebody every part so when I look at Iowa and I look at what are we doing

with our state how can we like make a major difference in our state it comes to the most entrenched

interest for me the people that are paying the money so politicians will look the other way

and I've just been very clear people ask me all the time are you accepting funds I mean no I'm not

I won't and you know I think for people that are principled what I'd like to say is like well

yeah but I'm never I'm not going to I'm never going to take my eye off the ball but I just think

the average voter is so weary of seeing this group or that group support them and then they just

realize well that was just the precursor to me knowing that I'm just going to get screwed over

and that when it comes down the time of addressing the fastest rate of new cancer in the country

in the world or making sure that a big agriculture company stops losing in court which side are

they going to line up on and so I just can't do it from a principled standpoint of saying like

I can't look at you or in the mirror or my kids and say well no that's not going to have any effect

because these people they know what they're doing yeah yeah let's move into glyphosate

but first but first I got a question for you this is from from a patron we have a Patreon account

it's turned into a community they get the opportunity to ask every guest a question

it's from Oliver why do you think so many politicians are more interested in money

and special interests rather than their constituents in America's progress furthermore what can we

do to help remedy this issue in the future I think we pretty much covered that you know but

Oliver's question is a very big big question because there's many there's many things I mean

of course money and special interests but I think it comes that you know being on this show with you

right now is a very different medium than what politics usually is because people can actually see

how I address these issues in a long-form discussion and I hope they can see my spirit and they

can see like my heart politics isn't set up for that and so I think that if we had more of this

of being able to understand where somebody comes from what drives him and motivates them

there'd be less of that and that's probably what I go back to what's motivating them truly

like what's the why that when everything goes wrong and a donor pulls out or whatever that's just

going to keep them saying I don't care I'm doing the right thing man I don't know I loved I

I'm with you but I've interviewed probably half of the fucking administration before they got

elected yeah I was told all kinds of shit on air in front of millions of people I don't know of

any of it's done in fact some of it has just gone the complete opposite way like like the maha

shit that we're just talking about which we'll get into at the end of the glyphosate section but

you know but I on the other hand I agree with what you're saying because it's hard to hide and

it but they did they found a fucking way man they found a way to hide let's fair I you know I think

as I as I look at this as somebody who's new in these things and as I as paid attention and watch

the short reels and the quick news clips that come up from politicians and you realize that like

when you know when you're in it when you're deep in and you understand we'll hold on you just took

this vote what you're saying this thing or you're speaking to this group and you have so many times

politicians will just either they don't go face their constituents or they come in they talk and

they leave it me without having to talk to them that happens so much so that's maybe more of my

long form point it's just that you know if you're unwilling to have the deep long discussions

and own up to things that you've messed up on even because I don't think any of us would say

look if if if you've learned and you admit that that you're beyond repair but none of these people

are saying they did anything wrong they're not saying they took a wrong vote not saying they should

do this differently but to Oliver's question I I think that's that that's the question of our

democracy in many ways like okay well why do they do this look at all the institutional capture

look at all the money that they're being offered look at the perks that they're getting

we've incentivized the wrong things accountability needs to be what's incentivized I don't know exactly

how to do that but it's something that's on my mind I think we need people that will stand up to

politicians too and I understand why you wouldn't and but there are people that can and I think that

people think that politicians have a lot more power than they actually do yeah in fact I just got

a cease and assist from a congressman not long ago and who said he was gonna fucking sue me and so

I did a rebuttal video I talked to my attorney turns out we could actually sue his ass and maybe

we should yeah but I don't like getting into litigation and all this shit but I wanted to prove

a point I'm not going to let a fucking congressman or any politician push me around no fucking way

yeah could you imagine letting another man push you around in front of your fucking kids not on

buddy and more people need to take that stance and to be like fuck you cease and assist you don't

want me to talk fuck off you won't silence me and I dare you to fucking sue me do it I fucking

dare you know what I mean and what happened not a damn thing I'm still here I'm still doing the

same show still talking about the same fucking things and I did that because I wanted to set an

example and show people these fuckers aren't as powerful as you think they are they're just

pieces of shit that's all they are treat them like like it's just man I'm getting I'm getting

I'm getting angry I'm losing my words but it's just but that I'm serious you know what I mean

and it's it did it proved it's like look at that calling the bluff in that and it's like

why pull that rip cord if you're not gonna try to follow the way through it or if you don't know

what you're doing and I think going back to like citizens and voters it's like again people should

be up in arms about what's going on you know I've talked to voters about what Elon Musk uncovered

with all of the doge stuff and then that our representatives are voting to put it right back in

the budget it's like like that we're all raw raw to rod about it they were all that and you know

this is like a conundrum I have because I would say I don't I don't I'm not like that like I don't

I don't get how you could raw raw for somebody like I have like this fear of feeling I can

imposter all the time about things like I but I don't want to get into a subject I don't know a lot

about I don't want to you know I get out over my skis on things and so when I see people doing

things like this where they're like we're so in favor of cutting all this waste and doge

and then when it comes time to it and the party leadership says no you need to have it in there

say I don't know what I don't know how you could do that like that isn't a part of my genetic pool

they sold their soul yeah and so I don't I don't get it and even as you were talking about I'm

thinking about it I'm just like how do you get it like we have a federal government that's

sending 87 million dollars a week in cash to the Taliban yeah that's where that flag came

from the guy that broke that he was an Afghan-American and worked in army intelligence but

recovered that in Kabul from the Taliban fucking burning it yeah and then came here on the show

gave it to me and told everybody that we're funding that was like two or three years ago

yeah still funding them you know I was reaching something bottom for over 20 years

me personally spent 14 years in my life in and out of those countries only to fund them

as soon as before it was over you know that's our federal government that's where we are

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getting upset you know I think back to growing up in the 2000s when we you know my friends

many people went off to rack and I've got to say and thinking about the 10 trillion dollars we

we've spent on all of that and meanwhile we don't even have programs for our veterans when they come

home you know my great grandpa when his brother was off in war war one and then and then that ended

and then during war war two my great grandpa's a bit older he would actually sign up locally to

teach veterans how to farm when they came back from war war two and that just got me interested

in like what was it like back then for veterans coming home because they saw some just terrible

things and I couldn't believe the extent of the programs that were in place to help them well

was to start learn how to farm apprentice paid by a farm we we created thousands of farmers

after war war two with our troops that came home and then I look at what's happened to my friends

that I came home and they're just dropped in and then we see like some of the highest suicide

rates I think it's under farmers now yeah I think farmers has the highest rates what I talk to

people and I all the time it's like look in that time that we've lost 10,000 family farms and I

over the past 20 years we lost 10,000 of them the suicide rate amongst our farmers we're not

50% and let me tell you I don't know of any other politician in Iowa that's talking about about me

none 50 one up 50% in the last 20 years holy shit and so my message to the people of Iowa is do not

get distracted away from the things that actually matter that really matter your neighbors dying

in that way your veterans dying in that way all while we're being distracted by this you know tweak

in a regulation or here we're going to get a little bit lower tax rates you know I tell people

we have the fastest rate of new cancer in the history human civilization and our kids are leaving

our state faster than 46 other states if your kids are leaving and your people are dying you're not

winning that's not winning and so I look at my campaign at the four things and those two things are

two of the top things that I'm focused on and what dumb founds me is that I'm not joined by a

chorus of people that are just like of politicians that are just like yes finally we've been waiting

for somebody else to talk about this because they're not talking about it you when I found out that

Iowa's kids are leaving the state at a rate faster than 46 other states I found that out because I

was curious as to what our rate was and I started looking up I found out in 2025 an extensive study

was done on this and I had I have actually had politicians in the state reach out to me say where

did you get that information I'm like it's publicly available and it maybe is the number one stat you

could possibly track as an elected official are the people that are growing up here wanting to stay

or leave and I'm having to bring this up in this way which I'm happy to do but it's like

like we need people to focus on the big issues and that's the reason I'm running

I mean they don't know because they're spending all their time hanging out with lobbyists

that's the truth and what's funny but like it's it's real they don't give a fuck like all they care

about is hanging out with lobbyists so they can enrich themselves that's that's that's that's that

this is why I go I something as simple as like knowing who put something into a piece of legislation

because I know it's not the legislators I know this stuff's not coming from them this up is written

far too specifically it's coming from industry and that's the cozy relationship I guess something

that surprised me being in this maybe more than anything I don't know more than anything but it's

a big surprise is how little you research you have to do to become a very informed

politician like at the top 1% how much you have to care to get away from the talking points of

one party or the other and do your own research some of the things we're going to talk about

with glyphosate you know I can't believe that they're just not on billboards everywhere I mean it's

so egregious of what's happened and but when I when we go into this a little bit when when I first

was talking about these pests said I've been watching glyphosate for years part of the reason was

my dad was a 28 year crop consultant in Iowa and so his job was to go into field inspect for pests

weeds bugs fungus things like that and then write a report and send it to the farmer to say here's

what you should apply what chemicals you should apply because that's just what they what they do

what they did and then you fast forward to about five six years ago my dad gets diagnosed with

non-hotchins lymphoma the exact type of cancer that's implicated in all of these roundup lawsuits

holy shit man and so I'm looking at this from the standpoint of like and I think you could probably

tell already talking to me like like well I hope I care about this stuff like I really do

and so what I'm thinking about my own dad is like how how much of that short in his lifespan he's

in remission but how many fewer days do I get with my dad and the amount of funerals that I see

for people that are dying in their 60s when their parents live to be 80

there's a generational wisdom that's being completely lost and so when you talk about all these

things that like are going on in the world and in DC and the government where our money is going

to all these things it's like there's not something more important than human life

and when we're willing to turn our head away from that to protect industry I mean like

it's time for revolt basically and that and that's like you know with with my campaign that's like

you know like I said I've been told many times I actually was told sitting

gosh I was meeting with a

high well with an elected official in Washington DC once this is six eight months ago

and in that meeting I thought it was kind of on the same page with me on some of these things

I think he is to some extent but people usually don't hear somebody talk about it with

like the passion or the interest that I have I got done talking about what's going on in my state

from a cancer standpoint and he literally said if you say these things on the on the campaign trail

they will effing kill you and I laughed I just but I looked around at the people with them then

another laughing and I look that could be figurative of course likely but they know they know the

power these lobbies have and so when you look at what's at stake is the life of my people

you know like when you go into a gas station in Iowa and you see a collection jar for a kid with

leukemia or maybe two or three now and all the while you'll hear a politician say something like

in Iowa they say this whole time well we need to figure out what's causing it we don't know what's

causing it what's causing the cancer rate can't figure it out and what one thing that you mentioned

and I kept hearing this and again like it was being spouted off without any research done to it and I

thought well what's the situation or is it they kept saying well yeah we have one of the highest

levels of radon in the country and what I looked into this I was like well what's the truth to this

and it's like well first off radon was deposited here by glaciers glacier glacial activity ground

this down and spread it out across the state that's where it came from so thousands of years we've

had this in the past 30 years we've had a hockey stick like graph on cancer rates in our state

and so this is part of what I'm fighting against and I have to continue to say this

this is not about farmers meaning like I'm not against farmers I am one of them I love them they're

my neighbors and family and they're getting cancer this is about large agriculture conglomerates

lying to their customers and to the people about the safety of their products and getting away with

it I mean cancer isn't even an organic disease so it would have to be caused by something that's

not organic to earth glyphosate gee I wonder let's beg so oftentimes this this conversation goes

like to glyphosate but I will just say to farmers that are my friends as well you will they all

know these companies are extorting them financially they know it they watch what's happening they

watch that they're getting charged more than what these same companies charge a foreign a farmer

to foreign country they know that every time there's an increase in commodity prices their input

costs are going to go up that farm bankruptcies increased by 70 percent in Iowa last year and

John Deere raised their prices by five and they know that truth that they're just being extracted

from what I'm trying to bring a voice to is this idea that they're also lying to you

and they know they're lying to you we have their documents that say and show that they're lying to you

how are they lying what specifically are they lying about the safety of the products that they

that they don't I mean that they don't believe it causes cancer so let me take a step back here

and just talk about agrochemicals for a minute you know something that'd be very interesting to

know about glyphosate is from the traditional metrics that that have been tracked for pesticides and

you know people talk about pesticides pesticides a blanket term and that's it includes herbicides

fungicides insecticides like different products that kill pests and pests are defined not just

like a bug but weeds and and bugs and fungus things like that

glyphosate from an acute toxicity standpoint of like if you get it on you is going to hurt you

is one of the safest we have like one of the safest are you serious yes from acute toxicity

when you look at other chemicals and I've talked about a chemical a lot that's called periquot

periquot you've probably heard of heard of this you know in the 70s and 80s it was used to burn

down marijuana fields and the more on drugs also you can if anybody is interested in learning more

about periquot you can read about the Japanese periquot poisonings or somebody is putting a very

small amount into bottles of vending machines and the people drink it and die 48 52 hours later

periquot is so toxic that is actually used in research settings to induce Parkinson's and rats

and mice it actually interacts with oxygen within the plant to create something that's called

superoxide basically a highly unstable form of oxygen and then I'm going to simplify this but

basically it burns it from the inside out it is a product that if you apply onto a plant in a

matter of hours it's destroyed it is unbelievably toxic I say that to just bring up this point

when we talk about this issue we're going to get into the issue of agency capture of our government

because periquot is actually originally formulated by syngenta the Chinese now Chinese own company

syngenta sells this product still in the country of China bands it they won't even allow it to be

sold in the country of the that owns the company 50 countries ban this product and if you want to

spray this product as a farmer as an applicator here's all you need you need to do you have to take an

applicator's class which is an online class that lasts between 30 and 60 minutes and you can go

buy and use this product there have been stories about people in medical journals that have gotten

through spraying for crops have gotten enough on their skin that they literally just died

from topical exposure and it does the same thing in our body what it does is it enters in

and it actually accumulates in the lungs it reacts with oxygen and then it starts to create what's

called super oxide and it will I'm using a simple term burn you from the inside out it'll just start

to kill you and long term exposure at lower doses is gives you a two and a half times more

likelihood of getting Parkinson's because the neurons in your brain the dopamine neurons that

operate with they operate with a lot of oxygen it starts to kill those because it's looking for oxygen

we know all this data this it like I said they use it in laboratories to create Parkinson's

and it's still legal to be sprayed it's still used on hundreds of thousands of acres in Iowa alone

so we talk about the safety of products and whether or not our agencies are there to like protect

us they are not they've been captured and I have sympathy for farmers because they're in this cycle

where they're using products and they're trying to fight weeds and all these things

and they are operating on razor thin margins where the opportunity to try some other method of

farming is almost nonexistent and so many of these people just feel stuck with that

damn so paracquot is one of the most poisonous substances literally one if you had a spoon and

you just had enough to cover the tip of the spoon and you ingested it you die

and we have tremendous amounts of evidence on this and so when I get to glyphosate you know often

I'll see people on X or somewhere saying like if you think glyphosate is bad what about this

about what paracquot I'm like I understand that but when you get to glyphosate

there's so much that's being obscured about the truth of it and what's happening with it

just to the basic point of the two separate types that is traditional glyphosate the molecule

that's pure and the formulated glyphosate base herbicides these are the ones that are up to 50

times more toxic the EPA does not require the registrant testing on these just on the molecule

on the traditional glyphosate so when the EU banned our version of glyphosate they did it because

the formulation was so toxic it actually pure glyphosate has trouble getting into your bloodstream

without the surfactants that I mentioned earlier but when you formulate it specifically to penetrate

the dermis of a plant it'll do the same thing to your skin 30% of what's on your skin will enter

your bloodstream 10% of your cardiac output goes into your bone marrow and in bone marrow it

disrupts a cell replication cycle but here's something that I haven't yet talked about and I what

that I want your listeners to understand is that many people who avoid products that could have

glyphosate in them residues of glyphosate that eat organic diets and all these things they'll

still show up that they have glyphosate in their urine and the reason glyphosate is so talked

about and so dangerous is because it's the most widely used herbicide in the history of the world

it's used everywhere everywhere not just on ag applications consumers buy it at Home Depot

glyphosate is a key later it's looking to bind it's actually one of the most powerful key

laders meaning I won't I won't go deep into that but it's looking to bind things what is it

bind most closely to what does it grab onto calcium so there's actually papers coming out now

that are that are saying they're theorizing that the reason this is happening by the way 1983

Monsanto did a study a rat study that they did not ever publish publicly but the EPA had

and the EPA referenced so we know basically what's in it and in that study in 1983 they were

testing where does glyphosate stay the longest what tissues and where it stayed the longest was bone

and what they're what the thought is now is that the reason it is is glyphosate is actually going

into your bone marrow it's attaching to calcium in your bones and it's creating basically a repository

of glyphosate on a slow release cycle and so when you're releasing it into the bone marrow

on a slow slow really cycle like that and you're disrupting the cell replication cycle because

this is how cancer starts is that you damaged the DNA and we know glyphosate is genotoxic we know

this that it's creating like a bank of glyphosate in there and that's why people who have stopped

eating this stuff for a long time will have that continue to come out in their urine and so

what's happening with this is that we know that it causes non-Hodgkin's lymphoma we have a ton of

data and evidence that it's genotoxic and that the cancer that's going to come out of this is

non-Hodgkin's lymphoma primarily but when the EPA doesn't even require you to test now for the people

out there that are going to challenge me on this they don't require you to do the long form

chronic toxicity tests on the glyphosate based herbicides the ones that are formulated that are

way more toxic they require that just on the product and this is how so much of this is obscured

you can pull out study after study that will show that this product pure is it doesn't have a high

risk profile which by the way most of those are industry studies we know this like the EPA or in the EU

band this version of glyphosate the industry submitted 1500 studies many of them they wouldn't even

allow publicly to be released but they're all industry studies and so the big differences in the

EU's determination on the safety and the EPA's was three primary things number one the EU used

the EU used glyphosate based herbicides the more toxic version that that everybody's actually using

nobody's spraying pure glyphosate number two they looked at dose dependent exposure so not just

like what's the overall cancer rate and then there was one other category that they looked at that

differentiated greatly it's slipping my mind right now but what the EU came to is that yes this is

this is a probable carcinogen and they have far lower levels that are allowed in their bread far

low levels a lot in their food so the agencies have been captured and now we are facing a situation

where in Iowa there's between six and nine agriculture chemicals within the wells in our state

where it's everywhere is it even possible to get rid of it yeah you know here's the

here I had somebody once tell me recently he's like hey you need to be more positive because I

like I mean out of the wells yet well can you get it out of there can it be you know I haven't

done the the research on wells in soil yes so like glyphosate will stay in soil for a very long time

however there are products there are very natural products it's broken down by Bifidote bacteria

very interesting just on on the or not Bifidote lactobacillus bacteria breaks it down

and so we have amazing scientists and researchers that are helping to develop better products

but we have such a captured agency structure that oftentimes they're not able to get to market

many times farmers have been lied to to say that like people that think glyphosate is bad or

you know they're liberals hate farmers and all these things when we're the exact opposite

so as far as getting out wells I don't know that but I do know we can get it out of the ground

I there's some really interesting studies have been done on that and it you can 80-90%

of it within seven months using certain natural products

you know if I could close on on the glyphosate piece on one thing it would be

just to help people understand in this debate that's going on right now all over

about what is happening with residual levels in our food you know

Rhonda Santis just recently had that is

surgeon general released the findings of glyphosate and bread

and when you talk to people that are in the industry and there's so many of these paid people

that are on social media on x that are just like out there to put out this information defending

monsanto defending bear defending glyphosate defending what they are saying is like agriculture when

it's when that's not what they're doing they're not defending agriculture because they're also

exploiting our farmers you know when you what they often talk about is that yes but the exposure

levels are so low they're way below the tolerance levels that are allowed and this is something that

really infuriated me as I dug deep into this when you look at tolerance levels that are allowed

in food products you think that when you hear this it's like okay well if in wheat five parts per

million are allowed in wheat you think okay well that must be a level that's been deemed to be like

safe because if you have more than that you can actually be illegal to sell the product

you can't sell it it's it's been considered adulterated and so I was looking into this and what I

found out was this that level can be changed by the industry if they petition the EPA so for

instance in the 1990s the allowable level of glyphosate on oats was 0.1 parts per million

when the industry started moving to desiccation spraying this product to kill the plant at the end

of the growing cycle when they started to change the desiccation they lobbied the EPA to change

how much is allowed on oats and remember if you had over 0.1 parts per million in the 90s it was

illegal to sell the product of oats they lobbied and got a 20,000 percent increase holy shit

200 times what was previously allowed was now allowed and here's why because that's what they

needed to be able to use the product to spray at the end of the growing cycle so they wouldn't

say what do we need this to be allowed at what how much glyphosate is actually on the product when

it after we do this desiccation process and that's what we need to petition the EPA to get and

Monsanto did that and they got it and so the upper level of this you see the the common question

be like okay well what's the limit well they use what's a reference dose modeling basically the

limit is when it gets to a point where they determine that if it goes higher and there's a buffer

there if it goes higher it'll start causing organ damage holy shit so there's a blank check to just

say hey now it's five parts per million is allowed on wheat but if we have a new practice that's

going to increase that we'll just petition the government and get them to go to 10 parts per million

even though they just told us that if you're above five it's illegal to sell because it's not safe

it's captured and so the industry's running the show and the more people dig into this the more

you're going to realize that we're being lied to in misled and part of my mission in this

is not just to become a governor it's to give a voice to these issues to people who are talking

about them and have other people that aren't paying attention to this realize just like the medical

establishment captured us during covid just like many so many of the other lives we see in our

government do we have big business running the show at the detriment of the health of our people

I mean before we end on glyphosate what do you think about this executive order 18th of February

invoking the defense production act to boost domestic glyphosate production critical to

national security love how they threw that in there section three of the order confers all

immunity provided for in section 707 of the act to domestic producers the act states no person

shall be held liable for any act resulting from compliance with the order bear is the only

domestic producer e wg president can cook in quotes trump just gave bear a license to

poison people full stop rfk jr who won a 289 million dollar verdict against

monstantos is an attorney endorsed the order claiming it's about national security here's some

maps for you we're gonna put these up on screen this is a map of the highest concentrated states

of glyphosate guess what number one is not anything I'm proud of Iowa here is another map we're

gonna put this on screen too this is a concentration of cancer what states have the highest

concentration of cancer guess what state that is Sean you're saying things that are good

and get me very upset Iowa so okay so there's those now since since we're all fucking concerned about

national security here in 2025 alone 618 thousand people died of cancer in the united states

now isn't that a fucking national security concern rfk president trump isn't that a

fucking national security concern i mean i don't know what fucking scientists you guys are talking to

but here's the evidence i know it's fucking mind blowing right it's that simple we just

fucking solve the problem but you know the national security so let the fuck like what's more

618 thousand people died in 2025 and we're going on about a fentanyl crisis yeah we're a hundred

thousand people died this over six fucking times worse than the fentanyl crisis

that i'm all about stop in the fentanyl crisis let's get fucking real here what so what is the

national security concern do you know i don't know the national see i mean look if you want to talk

about specifically the national security concern the only thing that would ever make sense to me

in this is that we're about to go to war that would be it is that we're about to go to war and that

they say that if we disrupt this in the import of it that we're going to disrupt the the food

production of the country but i i've heard nothing about let me say you know i hate the politics

of these things because when that came out i was sitting in my house and i was it just popped up

and i said what is this because you have to understand i like i've been fighting these things

mm-hmm i've read the monsanto cases when they're in court hundreds and hundreds of pages because

i actually care about it i want to know the arguments i want to know how does a jury keep finding

them guilty and i do know how they keep finding them guilty and they are guilty i've been talking

to people in my own state about not passing these pesticide immunity bills even people that

have as their constituency the companies and just saying like look here's what's happening they're

lying to us and i can prove this i know how they're lying and i've been you i have came out as a

part of my campaign to not put my head in the sand and deny the truth that's in front of me of

what's going on so that's the backdrop of which i read this and you know the most common thing

i'm reading about it is that it doesn't provide product liability immunity that's a complete lie

there's nothing in the executive order the defense production act or 707 that excludes product

liability if the order from the USDA which by the way this is going to be managed by the USDA

is to maintain full production and availability of the product that they're ordered to do this

they'll use the same type of defenses that were used by monsanto by the way when they created

agent orange and poisoned so many people they the government in that case now this was defense

i get that in the sense of where where at war but we invoked the defense production act but in

that case when they were used in agent orange and there's so many harms from it because it was

a very nasty nasty chemical the government ended up paying 50 billion dollars to people hurt by it

while the companies paid about 180 million my bigger fear about this is that what we've just done

is we have offloaded liability onto the taxpayer and so right when this came out and this is

again about me not being a politician i've always stopped position to it and it's not a popular

thing to do but when it comes to taking a stand for the right thing you have to do it and that

could have negative repercussions for me for sure but none would be as bad as what you're saying

about me going along with this you know Jordan Peterson said something i thought was very

was very deep he said when you have something to say silence is a lie

and that's really difficult in politics because i think in something like this the easiest thing

for me to do would be to not immediately put out a tweet saying that my tweet basically said this

there's no potential ban on glyphosate there's no pending ban on glyphosate there's no pending

shortage of glyphosate there are only pending lawsuits of americans who have been harmed by this

product this must be reversed and so when i look at this and i hear all these people saying it

doesn't provide him absolutely will provide immunity the word is used right in it that's on purpose

when they go to court after they invoke the events production act when when bear goes to court on

new cases because they're still not putting a cancer warning on the label if they just put a cancer

warning on the label future cases would be null then void because the entire thing is about failure

to warn that's all they have to do is admit culpability now what will that do it'll create a

cascade effect of people that jump into lawsuits because well now you're admitting it

and so they can't to save face instead of doing the right thing when they go to court in the future

they will hold a piece of paper that says which has precedent that courts will grant immunity citing

the DPA they'll hold that and say we were ordered to do this we didn't have a choice

the safety of the product is assumed in the order but basically so

you know my my belief and you know without going too far into this is that I believe and I might

be naive on this look you hold me accountable but I want Donald Trump to know the truth about this

I want him to understand that there's lobbyists that are doing something trying to get him to do

something doing something that will end up harming the people that he cares about and loves

I mean he he there's a big talk about his how much he loves Iowa

and I think that look I would love to get an audience with the guy and just say

this is what's happening in our state and these are what these lobbying groups are doing

but I came out right after that was released that same night before I I mean I had to do a lot

more research on it to understand how how bad it really was but I came out and said this has to be

reversed and that as I told you before you don't need immunity for a safe product the idea that

the courts are coming to the wrong decision is completely wrong bears paid out tens of billions

of dollars they've settled hundred over a hundred thousand cases and they have the best attorneys

in the world they know what they're doing they understand this immunity is the wrong way

like immunity for me like you want the vaccine immunity act cost tremendous issues this will

cost tremendous issues from a health standpoint as well we've been we just pulled the map up

this is what we're living in it's not a fucking coincidence no you can't

concentration a glyphosate highest concentration a cancer

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all right Zach we're having a little discussion out there about 30 seconds ago about how nobody

in Iowa is talking about the cancer crisis glyphosate or what was the other one polyquat

periquot periquot nobody's talking about it none of the senators none of the congressman

and other people run for you they only want talking about it yeah you know and and I'm just

gonna summarize it we don't have to rehash it all but I said yeah that's because nobody they can't

talk about it we just got done talking about the lobbies they can't talk about it yeah and they

don't give a shit and it's I think that's where

people are in disbelief that the human being that they elected into power doesn't give a shit

about them I don't think that's computing in people's brains they don't care they don't care

about you they care about who's lobbying them who's telling them what to do they justified in

their mind you know they they they is all human beings do every time we're doing something we

shouldn't be doing you always go through well you know you it's it's made it's the mental

gymnastics that people will do to justify a shit that they shouldn't be doing in their head is

fucking amazing yeah you know and we've all done it but this is just or it's another level of evil

you know that they're just choosing just choosing to believe the lie I guess a choice to believe

the lie because if you're gonna choose to believe a lobbyist and something this important

and not be willing to go as deep as I have or other people you know this is one thing that I've

loved about Bobby Kennedy is that you know there's this thought of all the time about you know if

you're elected if you're in a position of authority what you should what you should be doing

is getting experts around you and delegating to these experts but the experts brought us the

COVID response that we had and what you have to be willing to do is say I'm not delegating the

most important things I need to be I need to have the proper amount of knowledge to make the right

decision on these issues so so when you know Bobby's talking about vaccines he understands the

situation and I can bring some expert in that like is completely counter to him when he knows the

truth about what's happening but when you say this that the politicians aren't talking about

about this it's true it's very true I mean I I right now I'm on the political sense I'm yelling

into a void but on a voter sense I can't go to a room you know we've had a couple town halls

of the past week one was over 150 people showed up now the one was close to 80 in these in you know

small smaller restaurants packed house and when I get to the fourth point about what my campaigns

about which is stopping the cancer crisis in my state and I talk about what's going on with big

companies lying to us about the safety of the products 89% of the heads in the in the audience

are nodding these are Republicans the voters know what's going on the problem is there hasn't been

10 why do you say it's just Republicans what do you mean you don't think Democrats give a

shit about cancer I just mean in this room it's Republicans so no but this no just to clear in this

in my rooms I'm talking to Republicans in the primary and so traditionally Republicans are the

ones that are not going against what some of these big companies are saying but I'm saying the

voters they know they know what's going on and yes the beauty of of of what I am running on and

the hope that I am running on whether it's keeping our kids in the state or saving our family

farms or making our education system number one or saving the cancer solving the cancer crisis

is that these are bipartisan issues I have people comment on acts and things like this that are

you know criticizing Iowa Democrats for saying how do we let a Republican beat us to the punch on

this how do we do that and it's both sides on the political side on the on the elected side of

politicians both sides have been silent on this completely and then they'll give excuses like

alcohol rates or they'll give excuses like radon or they'll say it's it's we need to have a

greater tax on cigarettes this is this is happening right now in Iowa and I'm like saying to people

cigarettes have an inelastic demand curve meaning when you tax cigarettes you're just taking more

money because they're addictive product and they're going to continue using them meanwhile

Nevada has one of the highest smoking rates in the United States and one of the lowest cancer rates

this is about again coming back to being willing to tell the truth even if it means somebody tells

me that they're going to destroy me you know that means they're going to come out and attack me

or my family or whatever it is this is what I knew I was getting into it's why this conversation is

so important because the voters are talking about this the people are talking about it you know

right now in Iowa we have the world's largest nitrate removal system on our water supply in Des Moines

meaning from the runoff that comes off of farm fields I can talk deeply about what's happening

but the nitrogen that's ending up from fertilizer in our streams and rivers is getting to our

major population center and it's so much that we have the largest one in the world to remove

nitrates and often it can't keep up meaning they have to like put notices in that you can't

water your lawn because you're stressing the system too much because we can't filter these chemicals

out fast enough are you serious yes this is happening last summer in Iowa

you know wow I mean in what is what what are what is the state placed population wise it's not

a densely populated state it's not like it's over put it's not like Florida where we're

worried about flush in the fucking toilets because so many people are moving there and they're just

destroying all the farm land there and turning it into condos and apartments it's crazy you know

but there but Iowa isn't like that you don't have a house five feet from another house five

feet from another house you know what I mean yeah it's it's it's spread out it is it's very

lowly dense what do you know what it is I'll bet it's in the lowest but very low population density

and I I mean our populations three just around three million and I don't know what the density

though is but it's very it's very sparsely populated so that's what I'm saying in the have the

largest water treatment plan to take what night what did you say it's so like nitrogen fertilizer

out like look at that shit man you know it's not even that many people using the fucking water

do you have the biggest one in the world yeah and they can't keep up that's insane they can't

keep that's how many fucking chemicals are getting dumped in we actually had this winter so what

happens is now look again when I look at this I don't look at it from the standpoint of like

farmers are purposefully doing these things a lot of times look at the associations

that know better and they know what's going on and they give cover but

in Iowa what's happened to cause this is that one of the technologies that farmers have used

most recently to increase yield has been field tiling so three feet under the ground or so

there's a perforated pipe it takes basically what happens when you have a really wet season a lot of

rain will come down the water table will rise when the water table rises these it it moves into

waterways areas that like water goes into in these tiles these these pipes bring the water out

and daylight it dump it directly into a stream and so over the past 20 years we've started what's

called pattern tiling which is like we we are putting these corrugated tubes all over the fields

10 and 20 foot separation and it's to make sure that the land is farmable so it's draining water

what's happening there is that when you have a really wet season the water table rises and you have

an idris monor you have you have nitrogen that's been applied to the field and it rains well it can't

soak down into the soil to purify so it goes directly into these tiles and the tiles drain directly

into the streams and the streams drain directly into what in Iowa is a raccoon river is one of them

a raccoon river is either the most or the second most polluted tributary in the United States

wow wow and so when I look at this I just say we're probably swimming tube in all kinds of

ships we have so many lakes that that that there's notices on signs that you make you can't swim in

them are you because of the because of the chemical there's there's so many many products in there

holy you could your listeners can go on and google this and you'll find stories of like a woman

this is last year maybe two years ago who didn't know that jumped in and her skin got all red like

it was just you know burning but we have lakes in Iowa with such high levels of nitrates and

products that swimming is barred in them in Iowa the Eden of the United States what people this is

what I go back to I think when people look at Iowa they think of like the Norman Rockwell painting

of like the cows on the hill and you have this in the beautiful stream and you know when

general Albert Albert Lee was coming through Iowa when they're first on their trek to going up

they're actually going up the Des Moines River when he was coming through Iowa he actually said

that in all of his travels and mind you he'd been all over the country at this point he'd never

seen a place as beautiful as this that's what we came from now Iowa is the most terraformed place

I believe on the face of the earth meaning we've done more to our landscape

so when I talk about the water quality issue it's a hot button issue

but I've talked to developers in Des Moines who have said I can't even sell a house if I don't pre-install

reverse osmosis system in here and now I think when I talk this on the campaign I just get back

to this I believe that Iowa families are just looking for something that they can count on

clean waters one of them having a safe community is another one an education system that's not

bottom half like these are the common things that people are just looking for and it's not too much

to ask that your government focuses on giving you your government focuses on making sure things that

you should just be able to count on are there here's one thing I'll tell you about the the

nitrate removal system so it'll remove I only know the exact number of how many pounds of

of nitrogen up until recently after they removed it they just dumped it back in the river

get the fuck out of here you know I'm serious I'm serious they now have some biological methods

to where it'll break down the the products but the the way to get rid of it was to put it back

in the river so again we have to have clean water or state we have to have good education our

farmers have to be able to make money and not be extorted and I believe that one of my goals I've

said to people is that like over 20 years we've lost 10,000 family farms there's no term on the

son of the governor of Iowa and I've been made it very clear like this is not what I want to do for

my life but I I want to make sure there's 10,000 new family farms in the state or that by the end

of my second term the majority of the food served in Iowa schools actually comes from our state

common sense things that if we had if we had our eye on the ball we'd say this is just good to do

we should employ our people supporting our kids to grow their food

but it hasn't 95% imported and it's garbage like we know what how many other people are running

in the primary there's five people running in it five people yeah because as of this recording two

day polymarket are you familiar with polymarket they give you a 25% chance of winning Iowa

the governor of republican primary on June 2nd we're just getting started that's pretty good

we're I think it was 6% then you went on Tucker and I went what up and you know you know this is all

about getting a message out what do you think why do you think why do you think polymarket jump

that much I mean I we nobody knows who I am what's resonating with yeah I think the number one

thing is nobody knows who I am I've never ran for office so one of the people on there the only

reason that there is high as they are is because they have and they've been elected and they have

name recognition but I know that the message that we're putting forward about putting Iowa first

about saving our family farm so the things I just mentioned I know those things resonate I don't

need a poll to tell me they resonate I hear it from my neighbors I yeah so often what I'm talking

to them they're talking about issues in private that politicians aren't talking about a public

they just they're not talking about you go to the cafe and you lean in and you hear what what

the farmers are talking about it's the things I'm talking about the problem is they felt like they

haven't had anybody I believe and I'm not gonna speak for them but and this is how I felt that

there's nobody out there that's willing to give them a voice this one to say we shouldn't give a

Chinese company millions of dollars of tax breaks paid for by Iowans that we shouldn't have a data

center getting 529 million dollars in property tax abatement that we shouldn't allow our farmers to

be exploited or let hedge funds buy our homes that Iowa being an Iowan in the living state about

means something significant and what it means is not about an economy it means something about culture

and who we are as a people you know one of the things that I've had to wrestle with in this whole

process is coming away from this idea of like libertarian economic thinking which was very

pervasive when I was a kid when I was growing up and that the only thing we should care about is

what the market says is good the market will just determine it and I don't like I don't know how

you could look back and what's happened to our country to our culture to the hollowing out of

our communities I mean look even something as simple as in these small towns we've always had

these country food stores well they're growing out of business and what's coming in dollar general

and who is the largest shareholder dollar general black rock so the money that used to

circulate within my small community because the owner of the grocery store say they're actually

I'm very thankful we do have a country foods but dollar general set up shop 200 yards away

the Dow is at 50,000 I don't know what you're complaining about Zach the Dow is at 50,000

well my our communities are not there our communities are struggling like really struggling

and there's the idea that I talked about in the economic thinking I call it a religion of

economic thinking I think people have been captured by this religion that says like whatever

the market says is best is best and I'm talking mostly politicians and people and think tanks

and all these things that don't spend time in the community and I've said something I think

people think is kind of radical it's that look I'm going to choose community values over shareholder

value every day because that's what my great great grandfather was here for that's why he came here

he didn't come here to make some company and I'm not against business but the extractive nature

of what's happened in business in my state is is undeniable and it's making our state unrecognizable

just when you look at the 24 million acres of ground that's in in crops and and us losing 10,000

family farms over 20 years like that's life that's stories

one of my favorite stories that I talk about this and I'm bringing this up now because I just

mentioned the idea of stories Teddy Roosevelt famously said that I intend to be a preaching president

to talk about the values of what it means to be an American and he did I mean we got a man in

the arena from him something that I have to find myself reading a lot to remind myself okay it's

been a lot a lot harder things when I go out and I talk to people I'm at a event I'm at an event

I'll start to tell my family history a bit that I've mentioned to you there's not one person

in the room usually that if I didn't go back one or two generations with him and their family

story that we just don't have an almost identical story of people who came over here looking to

provide a better life and pass something on to their kids but like in our case that was farmland

in a major way and to create something that they didn't have for themselves and to build the church

we have a shared story and my hope is to be able to be somebody who's preaching about that

that the fact that more island served in the civil war per capita in the interstate is something

to be dang proud of that we should just like but that should be taught in every single history

class in Iowa that the people who came here before you were courageous they wanted to build something

for you and they were never going to meet you and you should be proud of your heritage

one of my favorite stories in our farm I'm a pilot my dad's a pilot both my grandpa's

were pilots and my grandpa in 1940s he bought a tailor craft airplane for $700 and great

grandpa mode of runway in the beanfield and he learned to fly there and that became his whole

profession career as I mentioned and you know that took him off the farm he was the first generation

to leave the farm and he went off and you know he worked at Iowa companies as a pilot he's very good

at what he did he's very proud of what he did and I think that back then that was kind of the idea

that take a step away from the farm try something new and I'm very thankful for what he did because

he provided a life for me and my family and my grandma who's 93 years old today who's still living

on his pension and on like what he created for her so when I look at me coming back full circle

I think about my grandpa like all the time at the farm whose initials were carved in that post

and just to say why am I doing this I'm trying to do something that I hope would make him proud

they'd say see what's going on in our country see what's going on in our world and say

we've got to get back to these roots so that's my mission I think that's a great mission that

makes like your message is going to resonate with a lot of people I know it is

everybody I talked to is worried about does it does it do that I mean I'm I don't even give a

shit Republican Democrat anymore like I said I just want somebody with a spine that's going to

stand up for the people you know it sounds like you might be that guy and and well don't endorse

me yet wait to see what I do oh I'm not endorsing that I'm not I just heard you talk about the

other ones what let me what let me I got and prove myself I'm just thankful for you let me have

this conversation and hopefully bring a voice to people that have felt like they didn't have one

that's a lot to you sir cheers

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