3/21/26 - ON THE HOUSE HOUR! Drywall Repairs: Pro Tips for Smooth, Seamless Walls!

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Today, Rick Thompson of Thompson Drywall is joining us in studio.

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Rick?

Yeah, say, thank you guys for having me.

You know, I was as part of being a certified partner, you have to be in business five years.

And we made a few exceptions of that over the years, you being one of them.

You were with Palavruri Drywall, who was with us, and the brothers retired.

One went into ministry in California, the other moved up to Sholo, and you said,

well, I've been doing the residential drywall work, I take all the rosy customers anyway.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, well, you know, I told myself at one time, I said, the boss camps are going to be the last people that work for

before I go ahead and try it on my own.

So here we are, 16 years later.

I'd like to thank them for believing in me back then and setting me up and Tommy

and teaching me some tricks.

And so anyways, yeah, here we are.

And you've been in the drywall business for 16 years.

Oh, yeah, you've been doing it longer than that.

I hate to admit it to show my age about 35, 35 years.

And I wanted to start off talking about the drywall material itself,

because it's, and I saw reports that range from 90 to 95 percent

of all homes being built in America.

The wall and ceiling interior is drywall, right?

I thought, you know, that's a, that's a lot of drywall, you know, how, where does this come from?

And drywall, it's, it's also called gypsum board, because the primary ingredient is gypsum.

And it's a mind, open pit mind, using a lot of demolition.

Right. So they'll blow up a side of the rock and then have trucks that'll take it.

Then they bring it into crushers and they put it in these big,

long, it, it, it, it looks very similar to a concrete kiln.

You know, these big round tubes, they go into and they heat it up and they dry it.

Well, the funny thing is they dry it to get all the moisture out.

Then when it comes out the other end, they add water to it.

Right. Right. Right.

And then it pours into these big molds where they've got the one side of paper

that's the backside that collects it and then the surface paper, because if you've ever had drywall,

the exterior drywall is always a different color paper than the background drywall.

So then that one goes on top and it's in these massive sheets, just endless sheets.

It's as long as the paper, these massive paper rolls, so a sheet before, you know,

between rolls can be hundreds of feet, but as it's coming, then they've got different types of

blades that cut it in your eight or 12 foot. Then it goes into another, it goes up to 16 feet.

Oh, there are 16 feet. So you ever hung one of those by yourself?

No, never even hung one.

But yeah, those are for like big areas, big commercial warehouses.

Yeah, less butt joints. So excuse my language.

That's a seam where two, okay, there's your factory edge and you have a standard edge,

which we call the butt joint, because the factory seam has a recess and you put two recesses together

it's a little concave. So when you tape it, it's nice and flat. A butt joint, the tape goes on top

of two even boards. And so you really have to split them out. And the less of those you have,

the smoother your finished job is going to be.

Less tape joints also means less labor. So less time installed.

Right, absolutely.

Once they're cut to size, they're then reheated again. And then after that,

they go through the edging machine where they put the paper on the corners. And then they

look, whatever the length is, whether it's eight, 12, or as you said, 16,

it's, it's, it's cut eight feet wide. Then they cut it in half at the very end and then they

edge it and distribute it. And it can be recycled up to 10 times. So as a home is being remodeled.

Now, I can see where that's recycled a little bit too much sometimes.

Integrity is a little bit. It goes down a little bit.

And you also have to have somebody that, you know, we'll take it to go be recycled, you know,

separating the drywall from the studs and removing the nails and then taking it to somewhere

that's going to reprocess it. But it can be. It can be. And we've got gypsum mines in Arizona.

There's one in Winkleman and then there's a big one in Las Vegas that I know we get a lot of

drywall from because I see the trucks coming down US 60 all the time. Bring it in. Then they have

different types. They finish. So there's the standard. There's waterproof that you often see,

you know, it's, it's by code you have to have those in the showers. Right.

Bathroom area is anywhere. It's wet. There's fire resistant. That's your

garages barrier to your garage, both attic and into the house and

references. A lot of times, you know, it's the standard interior is a half inch. The one,

the fire resistant is five eights. And then you were saying there was, they had

permiculate to that? Oh, well, there's different types. There's type X. This is the most common.

And it's, you know, what makes that is it's got some fiber fiber glass in mixed in it in the slurry.

And then it's thicker. It's like five eights. So it's for

rigid and then you have a type C that's the same thing, but they put permiculate in it. I had

to look that up because Remy's asking me these things before I came on here. I'm like, oh my god.

I've been doing this all these years and I never thought to look it up. So anyways,

this is interesting. And so as a permiculate, it goes to some of it. And what that does

with the fire rating, they have the slurry, they have licked that. Excuse me. They have that in

there. And then they add water to it. And so when it heats up, it gets to a certain temperature.

It causes steam. Well, the big, I can't say that word, excuse me, vermiculite.

It expands and it fills those voids where the steam left, where the water left. And it keeps

keeps it lasting. So that's like, it tightens up any, tightens up any voids making it more resistant

to fire pinnetry. Right. And that's that's usually about a two hour rating on those.

So it is meant to contain the fire. Right. Two hours to give the fire department time to get there

you to get out. Yeah. The type X is, I think, one hour rated. Unless you double it up, then you get

to. So now we've got the drywall in the distribution. We get it ordered up to the job site.

Typically speaking and the process for hanging drywall, just trying to get everybody up to the point

of how this was all put together in their home. So as we start talking to different maintenance

and repairs, they can understand how it's all all come together. But you would do the ceiling first.

Right. Right. Do the ceiling first. And then you do your walls. And you want to make sure that when

you're doing, when you're hanging the sheet rock, you want to stagger your butt joints. And on

the walls and the ceilings, the reason you do that is with wood, well, you don't have to do that

all the time with metal and commercial buildings. But let's get back to the house first, the residential.

The residential, yeah, wood framing. Wood framing is never straight. And so when you stagger your

joints, not only does it strengthen the sheet rock or the walls, you're also distributing the

stress in those walls. So that's where you do it. And I guess just to back up on the wood side of it

before the sheet rocks installed on the way you're supposed to build a stick frame.

Is your roofing material is supposed to be on top, not set, but just all the tile or all the

shingles set up on the. Right. Right. Absolutely. So it's got. So it is. So all the wood, you know,

settles and right. Yeah. So there'll be a lot of times when you're installing. And it's easier

to hide on the ceiling. But when you get to the walls, you know, I've seen a lot of times where people

have had to put furring strips on studs just to give it an even extra. Right. Back to screw it into

otherwise. Trywall can bend and, you know, there's even techniques where you can wet it for radius

corners and make it very pliable. Right. So if your studs aren't straight, you're going to get that

wavering into it. Yeah. Well, but and especially if it lands on a butt joint. So and if you had all your

butt joints lined up, that would become a weak spot also. So again, you're distributing the sheet

rock. And so to do that once the ceiling's done, let's say, you know, when we're doing a wall

and the way, you know, four by eight is standard drywall and plywood because homes used to be eight

feet tall. A lot of them right. Tanner. Right. And nine feet or 12 feet tall ceilings now. But

it was designed so that you would have two sheets of plywood and drywall that, you know,

a top and a bottom. You would put a full four by eight up and you you anchor that one first.

Right. The top one. So then you would take a piece of drywall cut it in half. So you've got a four

by four and you start that one. And that's how you're staggering your butt joints. Right. So

that's that. And then, uh, yeah. Well, you know what we're going to do a lot, but we can't stop the

clock when we come back. We'll go to the taping process. Perfect. And then, uh, the ultimate,

which, uh, Rose, I call you the, the drywall, the, the, the texture wizard, you know, getting that final

finish. Missed nine degree weather. It's a kill. Let me do. I'm a hammer swine and male driving man. I'm

a hardworking drywall man. A couple little details before we get to the taping. Uh, the second sheet

of drywall that goes on the wall. Right. It's not left on the floor. There's a, there's a tool that

you push and lift it up. You're saying to wander bar. You could use a toe kick. Right. But the

drywall is not left on the floor. So there's ever a spill. Right. It doesn't, uh, um,

wick up the wall into the drywall. So it's paper and gypsum. It's very absorbed

in a way of water. What's your secret to lining out outlets and light fixtures that, you know,

obviously those all have to get cut into the drywall before hung. All right. So you just measure

from the, from the bottom of the top piece of rock. And you get your center of the box. And then

you also, if you have it on the side, if you have a piece on the side, you would get that measurement.

And then you put it X in there and then hang the drywall, you do that before you put the drywall

up, you just measure it from one transfer it over. Hang that drywall and then go with a router.

And just pop it in. Pop, you know, make sure that there's no power on. And that wouldn't be too

fun. You need power to the router, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. To the outlet.

Well, so anyways, you just pop it in and then into the center of that axe that you put and you go up to the edge, pop it back out and go around the outside.

You get a nice cut.

And I should have asked you this beforehand, because so much of what we are going to be talking about, what you're especially is fixing repairs, texture matching.

You know, the post installation, but how many screws are supposed to be in a sheet of drywall?

I believe there's 32, I think, and then a four by eight. Well, there's five in the field or there's five in each row.

So, however many studs there are, you've got to have five on that four. You're going to have one on the ounce or one on each end and then three in the field.

And then with five eights is five in the field.

And when you're sinking that, when you're sinking that, you want it to be below the surface, so when you rub your hand on the drywall, you don't feel the nail hit.

But you don't want to break the paper.

That's the trick. Don't break the paper.

You may as well just forget it.

Sinking another one in a couple of inches above that.

Exactly.

If you have a screw gun or they have tips too that you can buy and you can adjust them a little bit and they'll help you.

Not over. Not over, you know, drill them.

So now it's time for taping.

Ah, all right. This is where I'm at.

And this is done again with the gypsum product.

Right.

I use all purpose for everything and I also use a lot of five minute mud.

And you don't have to use five minute mud, but I do because I'm in a time limit.

Well, and if you're new to this, you don't want five minute mud.

Right. No.

Yeah, you have five minute, you have 20 minute, you have 45 minute, you have 90 minute, depending upon the job.

But if you're a homeowner, you're not a rush. You don't have to mess with that.

Just get some tape, put your drywall on and do what you're doing.

You know, hang your sheet rock and just all purpose mud and put your tape.

Use paper tape and just do it on your own time.

So you first take your trial, you put a base of joint compound over the seams.

Yeah, well first you want to, if you got any gaps, you need to pre-fill those.

And you want to get that in there with thick mud in that way.

Any gaps where the drywall is made incorrect or like budding up against a door jam or...

Right. Anything, anything for whatever.

Or if you got a broken corner or you have, you got to clean it up.

You got to jump something out, pack it with some mud, and then you go ahead and tape it.

And then you put your tape down and enough, where it can run off your knife.

But you don't want, I mean, not drip off your knife, but where you can apply it smoothly.

And then you put a layer of mud on all the seam, on your butt joints first, first butt joints.

And then you put your tape on tight, you know, pull it tight, but not too tight.

This is, you know, this is not adhesive tape.

No, this is paper tape, fiberglass tape.

And then you go ahead and then you do your factory joints.

And then you let that dry, let it dry completely.

It's going to do, it's going to shrink back, and you don't put any mud on top of that.

Just let it dry.

And then you can coat it.

You know, get your, get a 10 inch knife and put that on your knife and pull it.

Wipe your edge.

How can I explain how I, how I do it?

I'll hold my knife in a way where I'll make sure that it doesn't fall off the sides.

So you get your knife, you can back, back wipe it on your pan and then start pulling it level.

Or, you know, a flat down your wall and you keep pulling, keep pulling, keep pulling, add more, pulling, pull.

And then you go back and you wipe the top, wipe the bottom or vice versa, whatever you want.

Put that in your pan and then just pull it again and then move on.

And this is where the skilled guys can make up for imperfect.

Right, now it's a home one.

Right, now when I have a bigger job, I'll use the tools.

I have boxes and I can just run those, fill those up and run with it.

Same thing with putting tape on.

I'll just zap this stuff right on.

And then go.

And then we put a little bit over each nail head and now we're ready to texture.

So we'll get to that after bottom of the hour news with Rick Thompson, Thompson Drywall.

You're tucking drywall or rosy on the house.

All right, we've got the gypsum board, mind, manufactured, dried, killed, delivered, hung, taped, now we're ready for texture.

There's a couple different types of textures.

Oh, there's a few.

And then some, some are so old and just trying to match those, you got to look at it and

kind of figured out to have a little bit of imagination.

Oh, no, I need to throw a little sand in this one over here and that sprayer.

Or do I got to dab this one over here?

Or do I got to skip this over here?

Or is it a knockdown? Is it a splatter?

And what do all of those mean?

Let's do a skip trial. That's kind of your Santa face style look.

Yeah, and you know, Romeo, how he got the nickname wizard.

That's what we're getting to.

All right.

So skip trial is, you know, easier topping.

So that's another thing we were going to talk about.

Topping is good for topping.

It's not good for taping, not for putting the mud on or for putting the drywall tape on.

It's good for topping and textures.

So a skip trial is where you, you, you mix your mud down enough that it doesn't drip off your pan.

And off your knife, but it, it, it's pretty loose.

And you put it on the edge of your knife about, I'd say maybe an inch and a half a mud.

And, and just kind of scoop it out of your pan.

And then you go to one edge, the opposite edge of what you're going, you're going to drag.

You're going to work.

Because you want to pull it from there first and you put, put it on your, your angle of your knife,

up a little steep and then you drop it fast and go level.

And you just slowly, there's just medium, just kind of skim it across.

Now you want to go the other direction and start pulling your stuff into that.

And you had mentioned sand earlier.

If you really want to get to like a, a real Southwest, a doby style home, you know,

you'll see people sprinkle silicone sand in the trial and mix it up.

So when it's on the wall, they did that at the beginning because they didn't know how to skip.

And so I would just chatter and it kind of make the knife do it for you.

And this is all these applications that we've talked about are all done with a trial.

There are applications that are done with a hopper and they're sprayed on.

Right.

So yeah.

And you just have to adjust your pressure right and make sure in different tips.

I use a hopper a lot and are, but you know, you don't have to have a hopper.

I mean, if you're doing a small repair and you, I mean, you can use a brush.

Just mix them up in a little, in a bowl.

I don't care.

And with as long as the brush just kind of is long, long tips.

Don't use a toilet brush, though, you don't want, you don't want that type of texture.

But and, but Home Depot, you can buy a little, a little wash brush and you dip it into your mud and you just flick it.

Just flick it, hold it up so that, so the brush is upside down and then take the other hand and kind of flick and then use your, use your other hand and move forward and just

and build it up slowly.

You don't need to get big blobs.

Just little blobs will build up to the right size that you need.

Let it sit a little bit.

Then you can knock it down if this is knocked down or you just let it sit and it's a splatter.

So I mean, you don't need all the big tools.

And like you were saying, you know, if you get the 90 minute set time, you know, if you don't like to look when you're done, scrape it off and start over.

Yeah, well, 90 minute, you probably would.

When you're at the hardware store picking up your little piece of sheet rock and your tape and your mud and your proper size knives you need for the repair, I always tell people pick up an extra two by two sheet of sheet rock.

Take it home.

And play with that a little bit when you're trying to hit the texture.

And don't use quick mud.

And if you don't like what you've got, just scrape it off, give yourself a break, put everything in a two gallon bucket of water.

Don't let those little boogers dry on the edges of your pan and your knife and try again.

Yeah, you have nothing.

I'm not trying to talk you out of a job.

Oh, sure.

I'm probably going to tell them too much.

Oh, one thing about the skip trial, skip trial texture, you got it, you got to keep it as flat as possible.

There's two things actually.

Keep it as flat as possible and get the dust off.

Actually, there's three.

Keep thinking here.

Okay, no, maybe there was two.

So anyways, you...

I forgot what I was going to say.

I always thought skip trial was the hardest texture to match because every single person had the wrist in a different angle.

The mud was a different, I always could match a splatter finish.

I can always match a splatter, but skip trial is always hard for me to match.

I have good days and bad days.

So don't feel bad.

And I always tell people,

sanding between coats is really messy.

Just get yourself a big sponge and damp wipe it.

Save yourself that mess of all that drywall sanding.

Are you okay with me telling people that?

Well, yeah, but if you need, you should really sand it.

But if you put the mud on correctly, you are right.

You don't need to sand.

Don't put mud on that you don't need.

Put on what you need.

Put on what you need.

It's just enough.

But usually you've got to sand that texture a little bit.

I take a sponge, a wet sponge and catch it if I'm doing it by hand.

Or I have a vacuum sander, so it doesn't matter I can just go.

That makes a big difference.

And when I'm trying to help people do a drywall demonstration at a home shore or something,

they almost invariably want to squeeze all the mud out from behind the tape.

Yeah, you don't want to do that.

And they're pushing on it really, really hard.

No, no, no, no.

You gotta leave it.

That's the glue.

Right.

Absolutely.

And tell them about the tapered knife.

I mean, not all knives are flat.

And there's a reason you've got that curved eight and ten-inch knife.

Right.

Well, what it's doing is kind of like scooping it up.

And then you put it on and that allows you to adjust the pressure, the thickness.

And you pull it on and you can pull it off one side or the other.

If it's concave, you use the other side.

It's concave.

It's not going to work out.

But it allows you to push the height of it or the thickness.

If you look down that knife and see the curve, you want to be holding the mud on the concave part of the pan.

And then as you're expanding those tapered joints, that mud's actually filling in it.

Right.

Perfectly smooth.

Right.

So you're not having to fight that.

And that's what I think makes SkipTrial hard.

Because you're trying to make everything smooth, smooth, smooth, smooth.

And now you're going to just booger it all up with the SkipTrial texture.

I mean, I think the reason builders invented SkipTrial is so that it gets you guys off the job quicker.

Right.

Right.

And it hides all the imperfections of the frame.

Right.

Exactly.

That's what it does.

It's a solution.

Yeah.

Going back, the third one was when you're SkipTrial and if you can't get it, if it's not flat and you have a void when you're putting the texture on, you can go back with a six inch knife and just get a little bit on your corner and dab it.

Dab it in those little ball spots and pull it.

So there we go.

I feel better now.

I want to know who invented that swirl texture.

Oh, my God.

You did that.

I don't know.

I know.

And I've had to do a few.

But I actually think it is that went out of style.

Yeah.

A long time ago.

I know.

I do these old houses and you know, they cut them up and here I am.

And what I use is a brush, like a little home people or or blows, whatever.

I don't want to pick favorites.

Home people.

Anyway.

So I will.

They have a small little hand broom and a whisp.

And then you just make your roll your mud on to the ceiling, thin down.

And then you take that brush and it's you can spread it out to get it as wide as the other texture.

And then you just swoop it around.

Yeah, that swirl finish.

I had a friend who parents did built their house and they just took a horse brush.

Yeah.

And use that to drive all on.

It's kind of an interesting look, but you know what it's really over the course of time.

It's nothing but a dust collector.

Oh, anything.

Yeah.

All that extra texture on the wall, you just every little realm was just a dust puck.

I think that's why a lot of people are going for the Santa Fe.

Santa Fe is like smooth.

It's a cheat smooth ball.

It is a cheat.

And yet it's home owner friendly.

Because if you have a hole, you don't have to worry about the texture.

You don't have to worry about the direction of the texture.

Any of that I got to do is fix that hole.

Keep it smooth and you're good.

Well, I've got a little imperfection in it.

So be it.

One of my one of my mentors early was a man, my name is Gus.

And Gus would always judge a drywall or walk it off a job.

He said, No, Rosie, if he's wearing more mud than he put on the walls today,

that's probably not the one you want to call back to do the job.

Right.

But it's hard to do drywall taping and stay clean.

But you watch a person like you that comes out of eight hours of work on drywall mud

and you don't even have any in your fingernails or your hands or on your pants.

I mean, it's unbelievable.

But it was a true, it was an early indicator for me as to who is a good taper and who is it.

And when somebody walks out the job and their jeans are white,

and they've got it in their hair on their face and on their hands,

then okay, we'll find another take for the next job.

Rick Thompson, the drywall wizard for Thompson Drywall.

One final thing.

I'm not a big fan of drywall on the exterior,

but they are very comment on the patio ceiling.

And that's generally the first place in drywall maintenance

that a homeowner is going to have to deal with an issue with.

Tapes falling down.

Right.

Tapes falling.

Right.

What we like to do is when we're repairing that,

adding a concrete hardener to the mud, like a quick rate.

Yeah.

If it's not sticking, throw a little bit of a,

they call it moose milk is another nickname for it.

And it's a concrete like bonder.

And you put that in there and that'll help hold some of that together.

And then make sure we caulk the exterior.

Yeah.

We're the drywall touches the stucco or whatever.

Stucco or the wood or, yeah.

Seal that up to keep moisture from getting in behind.

And with all that said, Rosie's back now with his soapbox.

Yeah.

So Rosie, come on.

Did you want that soapbox?

Did you want the short one or the tall one?

Yeah.

Take the, now take the short one.

I don't want to take up too much time.

So anyways, I have this job that I'm going to.

I'm putting a bit in on and they had a basement and had,

they got flooded.

So they, a company came in restoration company cut out.

Came in and they only cut it to 23 and a half or maybe barely 24 inches.

Don't you, don't you love that.

Oh, my God.

Oh, man.

I'm like, they've never, they've never hung she right.

They don't know.

Well, if they cut it to 24 and a half, that gives me.

It'll make the job so much faster where I could just take a sheet,

snap a line, cut it in half or cut it lengthwise.

And I'll have two feet on both sides with an extra half inch for the weeping.

And I could lay them all out all the way across the whole house and be done with it.

Now each one is a little bit different.

So every piece is going to be cut custom.

So I just wanted to get that off my chest.

I love it when it's, when there's a company that does a great job and they do it correctly.

But the ones that don't, man, I tell you.

You cut that at that 24 and a half inch.

That gives you, you only have to cut the.

Right, then I will.

Just one and a half, just right down.

So instead of, because yeah, at 23 and then you've got to cut an inch and a half off the other side.

Oh, yeah, or a trim it or, or I got to, you know, I got to make dust in the house and cut the board to the problem wall.

And I don't want to do that.

Nobody wants to do that.

We just want to get the job done for the people.

So anyways, that's good.

Thank you.

Thank you guys.

Well, you earned the name with a wizard because so many times we would get phone calls from homeowners.

They were so terrified that they'd be able to see the repair once it was made.

Whether it was a door knob that was put through the wall or a monsoon roof leak or whatever it was.

And I don't know.

It was actually a homeowner that was so fearful about this.

And I said, look, just get Rick on the job and he'll take care of it.

And it was him.

And I don't remember his name, but I remember he was in Peoria and this is this 20 years ago.

And he called me back and he said, that guy's a wizard.

I said, oh, that's it.

That's his name.

He is the drywall wizard.

I mean, you coming there and you wave your magic wand.

Patch is done.

You never even know Rick was there.

Hey, Roy.

Rosie, I just got a nice testimony from Charlotte and Roy.

I guess Rick was out there yesterday and didn't tell him about his debut today.

They said they didn't know they had hired a star.

And I said, did you get into hired a wizard?

Very nice.

How would homeowners get ahold of the wizard?

Oh, I'm asking you.

I'm looking over my shoulder.

Yeah, my phone number is 612-330-7754.

My website is tdrywall.com.

Or you can get me off the Rosie handbook.

Or give them a call.

Yeah, give the phone number one more time, a little slower.

612-330-7754.

He's only been doing it about 40 years and he has yet to find a texture.

He cannot match.

Thank you.

I've never seen one you didn't match.

Oh, yeah.

I've never figured out.

If I haven't seen something, I'm going to look around and I'm going to figure it out.

Yeah.

It's a consistency.

It's the right brush.

It's a direction.

The direction.

Yeah, because if you don't go, that direction is a big thing.

If you're just going and spraying something or wiping something on there for a texture.

And the rest of the wall is going a different direction.

That's going to stick out like a sore thumb.

So you just kind of look.

It's like material.

Material has a nap.

If you go against the nap, it's going to stand out.

And you can't make a drywall wound go away by piling on more mud.

Oh.

Right.

Right.

And you know, it's funny.

Someone said, how do you make a patch perfect?

And I was joking around.

I said, well, I just turn the lights off and shut the door.

So anyways, I take pride in what I do.

Maybe too much.

But that's who I am.

And yeah, that's it.

Well, we've always appreciated the feedback from all the clients, like this couple that just,

the two of us, you were just at yesterday.

Yeah.

Great, great people.

Thanks again for lunch.

Yeah.

Well, all the, all the great rosy announced customers are good people.

All the great rosy announced service providers are great people.

That's just what we do in Arizona.

Right.

We cultivate a community of great people.

And I'm glad you're a part of the team and have been for a long time.

Oh, well, thank you.

Thanks for all you do, Rick.

Yeah, thank you guys.

Rick Thompson, Thompson Drywall.