3/27/26: Trump Panic Delays Iran Attack, IDF Chief Says Military Collapsing, Abdul El-Sayed Interview, Jasper Nathaniel on West Bank

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Everybody, happy Friday. How's everybody feeling?

Happy Friday.

Happy Friday.

Happy Friday.

Happy Friday feeling good before the market's closed.

So we'll see what happens.

Free market closed.

Givens always monitored in the situation.

He's just addicted to watching the markets.

Well, it's actually a good thing, an important thing to watch.

And so apparently we conduct all of our foreign policy and wage war based on the schedule of the market.

And what the bond yield is today, literally.

So I actually do think we should pay close attention to that.

We can start with some of that.

But just to give people a preview, we've got a bunch of updates in terms of the Iran war.

New possibility of 10,000 more ground troops that's being floated.

Jasper Nathaniel is going to join us to talk about the uptick in pogroms in the West Bank.

And you know, what is going on there?

There's also a weird phenomenon that I want to get us take on.

Have you guys seen like Richie Torres and Bachia and all these like very pro-Israel people A-PAC coming out and being like this settler terrorism is out of control.

So I'm curious what is going on behind the scenes with that one as well.

And then we've got Abdul Al-Zayed, who of course running for the Senate in Michigan and facing a lot of backlash and criticism over his choice to do a rally with the very

controversial Hassan Piker.

So it's a good week to speak with him as well.

Absolutely. Well, why don't we get to thank God for the procrastinators out there.

We've got a 10 day extension from Trump, which we're excited about here.

Trump says, as per Iranian government request, please let this statement serve to represent that I am pausing the period of energy plant destruction by 10 days to Monday,

April 6 at 8 p.m. Eastern time talks are ongoing and despite erroneous statements to the contrary by the fake news media and others they're going very well.

Thank you for your attention.

This matter Ryan.

This is obviously extremely significant because the previous deadline was due to expire today when markets close.

Everybody was watching and waiting to see if there was going to be and this is still I think a possibility if there's going to be some sort of a ground invasion this weekend.

This announcement changes anything, but right, maybe you could speak to what the Iranians are saying about, you know, whether or not there has been some sort of negotiation and whether, you know, they in fact were the ones asking for this extension.

Yeah, and the Wall Street Journal actually last night confirmed Jeremy's reporting journal was sourcing it to mediator mediators sources in the mediation team.

And Jeremy was sourcing it to Iranian officials so then they were basically saying the same thing and it's also been wild to just notice that like if you've been following Jeremy's reporting you're consistently getting accurate information about what's going on here.

If you're following like the Axios kind of New York Times stuff that gets put out by the Israelis and the Americans.

They're they're just actively lying lying to you constantly through you know for whatever strategic purposes they have.

But it seems like for whatever reason most Western media just is not capable of or not interested in.

Kind of sorting through that because it goes to this like well this this anonymous person who's very powerful what cough or whoever said it.

Therefore, it's news even if it's not true.

And that kind of construction has led to like just massive amounts of misinformation getting circulated.

So what we know now is that the Iranians in response to a collection of different ideas that were thrown their way from like three different like Egypt.

Turkey Pakistan everybody's like.

Like sending information from with cough in the Americans over to the Iranians about what they're interested in.

So as Jeremy was wearing the Iranians made a counter proposal that said like here's some baseline things that if we agree on we'll do you know we can move towards a ceasefire and then some long form discussion Wall Street Journal has something similar to that.

That and the journal and Jeremy both reported that the US did not respond to that.

And so that so that's where we are now with the Americans kind of very blatantly kind of threatening some type of amphibious assault somewhere.

They seem to be suggesting that it's Carg Island Netanyahu said you know there he expects a ceasefire this weekend which is a blaring warning that the opposite is going to happen.

The fact that they're talking so much about Carg Island probably suggests something else is going to go on but that's where that's where we are now.

Yeah it's Trump I did people even remember Trump's five day thing I my assumption is that when Trump gives a long deadline people like don't even take it seriously when he gives a 48 hour one like okay 48 hours we need to watch that.

But when he changed it to five I thought everyone just forgot about it.

Yeah I think that was the correct you remember you did that five day thing that's coming up and he's like okay.

I think that was the correct approach because he's just as he goes he's freelancing speaking of five.

He boomer maxed out on the five last night and did you see the clips from this he called into the five last night told Dana Perino how beautiful she was said that he was bragging about how he played the gay national anthem.

He got asked if the Iatola was gay and he said that he did very well with gay voters.

Oh my god.

On real we're in the middle of a war.

And that is how the president spent his evening.

Well I have been reliably told that we should wage war based on how LGBTQ friendly various regimes are.

So if this new Iatola is going to throw a Tehran pride parade we may be out that may be the off ramp handling.

So it doesn't need information.

Yeah.

Don't think that's happening.

Emily's probably right on that.

I do want to I want to put up the graphic can you put up the bond market thing and because I do think this is genuinely extremely central.

I mean not just in terms of this war but when Trump talk on the tariffs when he has made other actions in the financial markets when he's you know previously back down from threats.

It seems to always happen when the bond market begins when the yields begin to go up.

What does that mean?

I mean one of the things that it means most obviously is just the borrowing cost of the United States are getting very very expensive.

That is one of the primary things that we are tax dollars go to at this point.

And Trump seems to be very leery of those rates ticking up too high.

So I heard from analysts and Ryan finance broke and can weigh in here is that like 4.5% is kind of a red line for like oh this is getting to be bad.

And so he sees these bond yields ticking up.

He also sees oil going up.

He sees the stock market going down.

And then he comes out with this 10 days actually.

Now what was really I think the most significant thing that I saw is that the markets they did not really this didn't work.

Previously you know the previous deadline of you know we'll give you five days and we're negotiating blah blah blah which was obviously a blatant market manipulation as well.

That actually succeeded markets were like okay cool there's apparently some negotiations going on oil came down into the eighties you know the markets went back up.

This time he said that there was a little bit of a bounce and then it went right back to where it was.

So his ability to jawbone and market manipulate through to true social posts seems to have expired.

And that to me is extraordinarily significant because the whole central part of the Iranian strategy is to cause global economic pain.

And that has been for stalled a bit by Trump's ability to you know bullshit his way to like markets not completely collapsing.

He seems to have run out of runway on that front.

Yeah he can only go back to that well so many times.

And traders I guess now are like it's interesting because if even if you're a trader and you think that Trump is lying about talks.

But you think that the crowd will believe that Trump is being honest about talks and therefore they'll be a surge then you jump in and you ride the wave.

So everyone has to kind of be on the same page that this guy's full of it.

Otherwise you just go with the crowd like okay this is fake but like I'm gonna take this 2%.

Seems like now people are like okay Trump says there's talks.

I need more sources and so does everyone else because if I buy.

I'm now the idiot because everyone else is like no like how many times you gonna lie about this.

I'm what else is gonna sell so yeah and the Iranians have said that this whole we requested seven days and Trump gave 10 is absurd.

Like this this did not happen there was this isn't even a mischaracterization of a conversation because there weren't even any conversations like.

They're now making these like Chinese AI videos making fun of these fake talks.

Like if you see like some of these the Iranians are putting out of like Trump just making up the thing we sent them all kinds of star links.

Yeah this is just not happening.

It's all makes those tense.

Like please give us 7 days until you bomb our power plants like what that's not a thing that anybody says.

Or like hey you not bomb them.

Yeah or hey you know I see that you're running out of interceptors.

How about we give you 10 days to like restart and get it together.

I mean that's just you know the Iranians are in the pole position right now strategically the US is accomplished zero of their strategic objectives.

There's all sorts of reporting we talked about on the show yesterday about how Israel in particular is really running low on a bunch of their interceptor stockpiles.

But the US is as well and obviously our allies.

So I mean in what world would it make sense for the Iranians to be like well you guys need a break.

It's cool.

Take 10 days.

Come back to us.

You know we'll send you some messages so you can yeah right.

Yeah go focus on Hezbollah and you're like rain of terror in the West Bank and the genocide you continue to commit in Gaza.

Also we're going to make sure to communicate with you some electronically so you can come and target our leaders again.

Once again like none of this makes any sense but you know I do think the market pieces really is really really significant since that seems to be how basically Trump operates.

I mean so one thing he really seems to like care about and focus on and there been very few instances Emily where Trump hasn't been able to like basically bullshit his way out of a jam.

But oil is a physical commodity there is a reality tangible thing behind it.

And every day that the straight up for moves is de facto basically shut down.

That's another day when you know some 15 billion 15 million barrels of oil are not going into the market and at some point that reality does hit one of the thing that we learned yesterday is.

Remember Trump with this whole like oh they gave me a great gift they gave me a great gift it had to do with the gas blah blah blah.

And then you know he put out there that what it was was them letting some tankers through the straight up for moves which first of all they have been letting some tankers through the straight up for moves.

They have long said hey it's not really shut it's just like you got to pay us two million bucks you've got to be not at war with us and it needs to be denominated in Chinese you want.

But yesterday we learned that even even that conception of like oh they let tankers through was not true there's no indication from the tanker tracking that any tankers were getting through let alone Trump said like eight they let eight tankers through.

So I'm not sure where this particular fantasy or delusion came from a few ships might have gotten through that didn't have a lot of oil on them.

As kind of a one take is that it was them showing that a we are the people that can do this yeah and so level of control they have basically let this ship through that is meaningless just to show that we can do it.

So that you see we are the toll booth guys like that's who you're talking to right now the parliament there is codifying into law they're like control over and the tolling system.

Yep just as Egypt Egypt you know source major source of Egypt's revenue is is tolling ships that go through the Suez canal and so the audience are like.

Work for them like you know why can't it work.

It's also one of their demands that they put forward in terms of resolution of the conflict yeah and how long do we like what what measures do we have to take how long do we have to be waging this war for Trump to declare a victory and change the state of affairs.

And Harmoos right now that's a really frightening thought because there's no clear path at the moment Trump is obviously feeling good about negotiations it does seem like he believes it's going to be much easier that it actually it's I mean we saw that with you creating Russia he's come out and said since that's a tough one harder than I thought and there's something cavalier about his comments.

On Iran particularly this week because we're getting reporting who knows how true it is but we're getting reporting from inside of the White House that he's getting tired of the war and he's ready to move on it's like well 13 people at least 13 service members have died.

Many have been wounded double digits of serious injuries and for what because Iran has not been put out of a position to continue rebuilding right post midnight hammer that's why we were told it was the right time to do epic theories that Iran had been rebuilding its missiles its launchers and had intentions for its new like none of that is changing at all so if he wants to declare some type of PR victory.

And have the state of affairs be worse than you look at another six months and see what happens down the road and the other thing I just add is he I agree the lot of this feels very similar to liberation day tweeting and market manipulation with different promises and intentionally saying things to move the numbers and I guess I wonder when people start picking up on what you're doing.

When it's a war does that do your efforts to manipulate manipulate market it's have to get more extreme what what happens when Trump has to be more extreme in order to have these effects on on the markets whether it's calling them or something else so that's a nice thought to consider Friday.

I just hope Ryan that the whoever was trying to inside trade a off of Trump's announcement yesterday got their asses handed to them after the market and react the way that they expected that too.

You're out there you such an idiot you can't even make money insider trading off of it does seem like one plausible path that Trump sees not that it's realistic necessarily but that he thinks might exist is send a bunch of delta force people somewhere into Iran.

Claim that you grabbed some nuclear material and then and then get out and then say we're done like we obliterated it before and now we've taken all of the obliterated material and so they are now harmless to the world and we have to quit.

And one of the those Iranian AI videos they had a Lego version of Trump like crying and holding up a sign that said victory so like they like they see.

That Trump is going to declare victory at some point and and then the camera pants of the back and his his Lego like backside is on fire.

So wouldn't it be melting it was definitely melting to it was melting in on fire.

Yes, I was not a good scene back there.

It relied the victory sign a little bit that they they clearly know or suspect that that's what he's looking for.

And don't trust a word that he's saying like they're they're not you know there's reporting that they're not messaging electronically.

You know there there been so many instances of Trump offering a ceasefire deal with the purpose of pulling people together to discuss that deal and then trying to kill them.

They're not fools like they they have pattern.

Yeah, I'm like I'm apparently we really need a we really need a segment of Griffin doing a film breakdown of all of the Iranian propaganda.

Yes.

It's the one time I'm pro AI like I do think that like AI slot videos should be allowed in like the political means fear because there seems to be a lot of value from it.

Emily you you asked what is the reason that we're doing all this I think JD Vance has a new answer that I'd like to play for everybody here.

And also I might have to do with some of the nuclear that Ryan is speaking about let's take a listen.

When I say options I think it's important the American people know options for what and it's options to ensure that Iran never has a nuclear weapon.

You talk about people who walk into a crowded supermarket and have a vest on and they blow up the vest and a couple of people get killed and that's a terrible tragedy.

What happens when what's on the vest is not something that can kill a couple of people but can kill many many tens of thousands of people.

That is the most important American national security objective that exists for any administration at any time is you don't want the worst people in the world to have a nuclear weapon.

That's why the president is doing this.

That's why the president cares so much about this particular issue.

So that's that's why we're doing it.

So nuclear armed vests that's also a plot from a season of 24 Jack Bauer.

Maybe that's what they pulled that from.

And Emily did you even think about what if they had sharks with nuclear vests what they figure out how to fly at you know super human speeds.

Did you even consider that what that America safety and security.

Chris, I think you want nuclear sharks all of the time all of the time.

Apparently there are some sharks right now who have gotten into the cocaine that's been dumped into the ocean and your post has this story.

So not a laughing matter folks but these are that honestly.

But if he's like none of us downplay this is what the corporate press is constantly downplaying like the actual nuclear threat like they love to talk about war and to all of that.

It's constantly looming over the world.

I can't waste that.

The corporate media just like breezes past like it's no big deal.

So I don't want to downplay the genuine threat that could exist from something like that.

But again, it reminds me exactly of this day last week the Diego Garcia situation where everybody it was smuggling taking their dub and being like,

hey you fools you didn't think Iran posed an imminent threat.

Look at how far they can launch missiles.

It's like go look at the map of North Korea's nuclear missile range Saudi Arabia's nuclear missile range Putin's nuclear missile or I mean ballistic missile range and nuclear range of course too.

But like go take a look at that this exists other countries already have it.

So if this is a predicate for war.

We're going to have to go into North Korea next because they're also a dictatorial death cult and probably in different ways from Iran actually that make them even more unpredictable.

So and harder to negotiate with.

So what are we doing here?

They're worried about if we're worried about undeclared nuclear arsenals being held by rogue states that constantly threaten their neighbors in the world.

Yeah, there's another place you might want to look other than Iran and to the point that we endlessly make I mean I was thinking about this when you guys were talking earlier.

Iran after the 12 day war even though there was dissatisfaction with the government which there has been for a long time in terms of their defensive and offensive capabilities.

They were strengthened by the 12 day war because they got to learn a lot about what they could do what their vulnerabilities were they were able to you know increase their amount of domestic production of ballistic missiles Shahid drones and really prepare.

So and in the same respect you know in terms if if you're concerned about a nuclear threat or nuclear vassal whatever bullshit he made up.

There's nothing that has made the Iranians more likely to move in the direction than the actions that we have taken okay you murdered the guy who had the you know anti nuclear fought to also great job.

You have made it abundantly clear to Iran that as long as they do not have a nuclear weapon they were all will always be menaced by the US and by Israel.

So if that's yes I do not want to see nuclear proliferation but if I was advising the Iranians like it's very obvious the logic that we have created not just in Iran but around the world.

So the whole the whole conception is so asked backwards that you can't even begin to wrap your hat around it like yes you have made the world uns more unsafe and by the way American people know that you know there's polling that we just covered yesterday where if you ask people do you think the Iran war is making us more or less safe majority clear majority say it's making us less safe and that's now at the beginning of this war when we've just gotten started here and it says popular is this ever going to be.

So a few other war updates the Pentagon is considering deploying additional 10,000 troops to Bui whatever potential action may occur and potentially over the weekend or coming weeks and Trump also has decided to sign an executive emergency order to fund TSA to resolve our TSA lines at the airport did you guys catch that.

I had one more disparate thought on the nuclear thing I do think to Ryan's point some type of Delta action with nuclear material is how Trump is right now and that may be why JD Vance went in that direction at the press or yesterday the cabinet meeting yesterday.

Because yeah I think it that that might be they might be priming the public for something like that if you're able to show a tangible Maduro style operation which again a lot of reporting suggests that's what Trump that's what kind of nudged Trump partially towards action.

As he had been getting a lot of people in his ear who wanted to go into Iran saying look at this successful in out the type of like military operation you can boast about makes America look strong etc.

And that's the type of thing he could say we did it we're winding down we just had a successful Delta force recovery of enriched uranium underground so I would keep an eye on something like that too.

I was just going to ask Ryan and question I remember early in the war you were like Iran should just put like a suitcase in the desert that says nuclear material and let's don't tell Delta force over is going.

We got it guys you know mission accomplished make it really cinematic like glowing green yeah.

Some Erica Kirk sparklers go off when you pick it up or whatever yeah anyway I actually want to play out that.

If you let's say there is some you know semi performative you know special operator stunt where they get something that they can claim is nuclear material whatever and they're like we did it you know mission accomplished.

Good luck with the straight or moves Europeans you guys figure it out we got our own oil wouldn't really need it goodbye.

What would happen then like do you think that the Iranians would take that as an opportunity to be like you're really your way to go guys good work let's negotiate an end to this and comes into or do you I mean how would that actually play out because that seems to be part of the problem is even if there was some.

Performative you know operation that didn't end in mass death which it is very likely to.

And Trump was able to claim some sort of a victory it doesn't seem at all clear to me that that comes close to ending the conflict it depends on what.

Trump is willing to do alongside that we don't know exactly what was in the kind of semi formal response that the Iranians gave to the Americans yet we hopefully we will over the next couple of days.

But we know in general kind of what they've been asking for they want permanent sanctions relief they and they you know they want their sovereignty over or moves respected and there's an enormous amount of.

Kind of Iranian capital that is frozen that they want unfrozen they've been telling their population that they're demanding reparations and won't end the war until they get reparations for the the girl school and all the other assaults on civilian infrastructure.

I you can imagine a world where the unfreezing the unfreezing of that of that those far those reserves counts as the reparations or some sort of like sanctions relief or something like that yeah.

And then what is what are the guarantees look like for another attack you know they have what Iran keeps saying is that they don't trust guarantees anymore the guarantee that they want is that.

Israel in the United States have felt so much pain that they don't want to touch the stove again that they've been so burned that they're not doing this again for 20 years.

And so they'd have to then calculate whether or not they've kind of burned them enough but I do think it's possible depending on what they agreed to that if the US declared victory left you know they also want they also want the US bases dismantled.

And they are currently dismantled like they'd have to we'd have to remantle them rebuild those suckers and maybe you know and a rank would have a say in that like you rebuild these will start shooting at you again.

So you can imagine a world where they do a great but that's it's a humiliating set of concessions.

Like the US will have gone into war with a certain amount of treasurer certain amount of weapons stocks bases intact all across the region.

And Iran sanctioned and then will be leaving the war with Iran unsanctioned with our bases.

You know completely torched and a lot of our base you know military industrial base spent such that we're like stealing NATO's weapons and shipping them to the region.

With all of the intelligence saying that China plans to.

Absorb Taiwan in like what 27 28 whatever it is I saw I wish I could give the person credit but I saw a good post on access to someone said TSMC is the street of her moves of China.

Yeah except we actually are I think more harmed potentially by the loss of TSMC it's a matter of keeping the lights on like infrastructure because we do you know we are net energy exporter like we do have some.

Buffer on that front that the rest of the world does not frankly enjoy outside of like Russian to some extent actually China but.

Yeah on the chips I mean we've completely we've completely fumbled on that and you know with regard to the street of her moves is obviously it's not just oil it's we talk about fertilizer helium there's you know food there's all sorts of ways that this gets screwed up and you know I think we all have a pretty good understanding of.

It's not like these things compound given the experience with the combination of the Ukraine war and covid so you know the.

It seems like the market reality may be starting to set in that even if Trump wants a taco there is not a taco available to him at the moment and you know I guess all the traders have started to realize that they all believe that this is not going to be possible and that the physical realities are going to set in.

I saw I was just looking at the markets you know they're still look you know everything's down this morning except oil which is up you've got you know the Brent is at 110 and you've got the WTI at 96 80 so almost even $100 a barrel for that which is the you know the domestic product so in any case it's.

Not good as we had interior to the weekend I guess lastly guys before we move on we can talk a little bit about.

TSA before we move on to get Jasper Nathaniel in here but there seemed to be it seemed almost certain that there was going to be some sort of a ground invasion this weekend and Griffin I mentioned now we've got like oh we're going to maybe bring in 10,000 war troops there's already been troops that been brought into the region is Marines that you know the paratroopers but.

Do you guys think that Trump's new deadline changes any of that strategy I also saw they had huge storms in the region at least like yesterday that could be a factor in terms of any sort of significant military action what are you guys feeling about the weather have you seen this yeah that's

I was just mentioning yeah the weather is really bad there right now so I think that kind of shuts it down they were even talking about tornadoes like.

Yeah very unusual for that region I think the one other possible to throw up before if Jasper's not here yet is this at drop site we reported on these efforts by China to get Guadar which is here let me put it up just so people can see what we're talking about.

So right here you know so here's a Pakistan around border right here if you see if you look at what Guadar right here it's right at the mouth of the the golf that then heads into.

Kind of this the straight of or moves and China's desperately wanted this port of Guadar so like and and we are fueling a insurgency kind of in the below region of Pakistan here in the south there's some below population over in Iran we were hoping that we'd be able to fuel some cross border.

Violence we haven't been able to do that so maybe we maybe we just try to like seize what with the Pakistan is say like we're taking what are.

And China you're like you're out of there.

And that's the win because that because that gives us some inability ability to project power back towards hormones yeah I've heard some people kicking that around it doesn't really make any sense but like they need something.

I listened to an interview with Trita and John Meershimer this morning and Trita was floating that there's a few islands that are like contested between Iran and UAE and that maybe that and that was one of the things that was floated in that axios report maybe the ideas like to take those islands for UAE because the other golf countries agree with you know UAE's assessment that these rightfully belong to them.

And so it would like make your golf allies happy claim some sort of win again it's in sort of a strategic position it doesn't really change anything in terms of your ability to reopen the straight of her moves and do what you want with it but perhaps that's like the win that they could claim I don't know it seems kind of far fetched to me.

Iran said it's going to really be convincing.

Iran said if they try that they're going to just flatten Dubai like that make make like what they've been doing to it so far look like pinpricks so.

Ryan have you seen these threats also of like the Iranian saying maybe they'll change the borders in the region threatening to basically like annex UAE and Bahrain yeah and yeah they're feeling good in that sense like that's I don't suspect that they're actually going to do that.

But that's that's the that's the point that they're at and like.

You know Bahrain has a pretty pro Iranian population yeah.

Dubai is like it never I never quite understood why Dubai.

Felt so comfortable and confident in all of its saber rattling against against Iran like it like are you are you insane like just for people's just to remind people put this back up like.

Does anybody have a map like when they do this like look at Dubai and look at Iran like you're like you think you're going to like bully this like gigantic mountainous country that's just like just across the straight here and then yeah here's Bahrain right over here.

It's like the level of over confidence here that they could just do this with impunity I guess reflect at a real confidence in the invincibility of the US security she umbrella yeah well.

Yeah I mean I think they were really confident that they were on in government with totally collapse.

I don't know I mean but I mean they have to realize you would think there would be some reckoning with reality with these family monarchy is that we prop up.

I was just looking it up to make sure my numbers were cracked the entire Emirati population like the citizen population is about a million people okay the they make up in their own country they make up about 10% of the population.

It's overwhelmingly either like rich foreigners or this indentured servant labor force from around the region and so yeah I mean you're not really in a position to you don't have a strong hand to play here and obviously they're whole brand.

And economic model is built on the the idea the mirage that is completely safe and you know you can park your capital here and you can have your luxury vacation here and like that's their whole thing and already that's basically shattered and potentially irreparably so.

Yeah we do we do breaking news by the way let me put this on the screen Chuck Schumer as we're recording this just announced it looks like they do indeed have a deal he says quote after weeks of negotiations Republicans caved to our demands to fund DHS without a blank check for ice and CBP his full statement says in the wake of the murders of Renee good and out Friday Senate Democrats were clear no blank check for a lawless ice and border patrol.

He goes on to say I'm very proud of our Democratic caucus through at all Senate Democrats to United no way foring no backing down we held the line just a.

I don't know if clarification is the right word on this but basically Democrats are getting nothing because.

I mean they're in the minority so they got their public stand but what Republicans are now doing is threatening to fund ice like in perpetuity not quite perpetuity but like at a even higher level.

In the reconciliation package that's going to come up so a moral victory perhaps for Democrats who manage to keep the government shut down for a long time and make the stand as Chuck Schumer invokes Alex Prattie and Renee good literally in the first paragraph but make no mistake Republicans are now going to put a lot of funding in the reconciliation package that's coming up also not a huge win for Republicans either who are in the majority.

And we're able to keep their own priorities keep put that statement back up there's a there's an exquisitely Democratic line there at the bottom of it and this you know to the to this belongs to this victory belongs to workers really the TSA workers did a illegal wildcat you know sick out.

All called in sick at once kind of in a semi organized fashion and really put pressure on on both parties here but the line at the bottom here they say where's the line about the militia.

We held firm in our opposition Donald Trump's rogue and deadly militia should not get more funding without serious reforms so he has it so Donald Trump has a rogue and deadly militia.

They were not given a money yet and the Democrats want to reform it just just just a few reforms to your deadly militia just had better training right.

Yeah, but I can't on your rogue and deadly militia yeah.

So at least the line should go back to normal.

I saw a house bigger Mike Johnson at an event last night talking about the golden age like he invented some new award or said he was at some event where there's a new word being given us like these boomers and their friggin rewards man.

Well, he's not even a boomer.

I think it's but it's they get upset but he knows who he's what audience he's playing to but just to take a glimpse at the political instincts of Republican leadership right now to be talking about the golden age.

When you have lines for TSA that are during spring break and Easter five hours long at major airports that is a new level of stupid.

I mean, even for them it's a treacherous yeah and gas probably hitting is it at $4 average at this morning and can take a look at AAA Ryan real quick if you can update us on the what happened with the it was since we're talking about Democratic incompetence and cowardice what happened with the war powers resolution.

And what the latest is there yet looks like they're going to put until mid April and so the reason that we're even discussing a war powers resolution is that Josh Godheimer and the kind of pro war tiny faction put forward a counter war powers resolution to rocona and masses.

In the beginning they were saying you know that this is a very common tactic up on Capitol Hill where something is getting momentum that has actual substance and people who are trying to derail it will try to create some weaker vehicle that people can then go on to.

That doesn't do anything but still captures the kind of public anger so they put out this war powers resolution said all the war has to end.

And you know within 30 days or something and kind of mass we're like no we're talking about today we want so so they didn't end up voting on Godheimer's.

But once they were done with con and masses Godheimer's was sitting there and so then there was pressure put as the as the I was March 31st or something is a deadline for when this resolution says the war should end.

They said well let's vote on this one and so then they agreed okay fine you know because they had introduced it.

And they're they're kind of stuck because like this is yours how are you going to be against your thing they forgot that time moves forward and that eventually they'd be in they'd be stuck and so you know.

They they lost what three Democrat three or four Democrats on the last one and if those at all flipped they would have they would have won.

Since then mass is still yes I talked to Warren Davidson yesterday he said he's he's still a yes and I actually reached out to Nancy Mays who had said that she was she was for it.

And Democrats were saying well we don't trust Nancy Mays you know she talks a big game but then she doesn't actually vote the way she's she's talking.

Mays said that may still me that she had not heard from Democrats so if Democrats are actually concerned like they could actually reach out to her now mass he has been in contact with her I've been told.

So whether or not she's going to actually how she would vote okay we don't know there happens to be a mechanism where you can determine how somebody will vote on something and you go to the house.

Holding there was just maybe I don't know if I can find it quick enough.

Are you think of Jasper in a second or intern okay yeah Lily on a Frank's our capital hill intern got Greg Meeks in the hallway twice and said.

You know why are you why are you going to punt this until April looks like she has the votes and he says well you go talk to these Republicans go go talk to them.

And you come back and tell me if they're going to vote for it.

And so she's like well mace David said a massive like they're also going to vote for it he's like whatever go go ask him again go ask him again they they just don't want to vote until.

The war's open like it doesn't matter yeah they you know their argument is we want to win and we're not sure that we have the votes yet and we want to be sure.

So people can decide for themselves how credible they think that is and what why they think all the sudden mid April they're going to have the votes like what if you haven't even talked to mace yet like what yeah what are you what are you doing between now and mid April.

What are you doing yeah.

And muskowitz with muskowitz is anxious Jared muskowitz he was the one of the first opponents of this and they came around to it many announced on Wednesday that his wife was having routine surgery and he wasn't going to be in Washington again until like mid April.

It's like well he has a primary challenger so he may be feeling the heat shot into Oliver Larkin it's indeed.

All right sure lots of looks like it's not going to happen unless there's like a furious pressure today looks like it's not going to happen.

Okay well on that note let's get to Jasper Nathaniel who's going to give us some updates on the west bank Jasper how's it going.

Hi.

So Jasper forces independent journalists and author of the infinite jazz sub stack and great friend of the show and great friend of drop site great to see a Jasper.

You too.

So just start by giving us a little bit of an update obviously there's ongoing terror campaigns from settlers back by the Israeli government in the west bank but there's been a recent spike in violence what is the latest.

Well the latest is that the settlers are doing what they're being told by their government basically.

You know the spike in settler violence started years ago started actually before October 7th when this new government came in and had all these settlers like Smotrich and Ben Gavir in these leadership positions who immediately empowered the settlers and after October 7th.

They started using you know security justifications and started arming and deploying settlers as sort of like what they called a regional defense battalions.

I would say the latest surge comes with the start of the new war in Iran where I mean it's hard to say if the settlers feel that people are not watching them.

I think it's more just a sort of like jingoistic feeling of you know Israel is fighting so we're going to do some more fighting now but the very latest explosion in violence in just the last week actually came after a young settler in 18 year old settler was killed in some sort of a car accident or potentially a car.

And so but I think the details of what happened here are really important because basically these two young settlers set out from an outpost to go on what they call a land patrol.

Now to understand what a land patrol is first helps to understand what is this outpost so if you go to the outposts crowdfunding page where they raise money including from the family of the boy who the young man who was killed.

It says explicitly they are there to be the spearhead of activities that are meant to expel Palestinians from the land and spread Jewish presence across the West Bank.

And so you know the settlers don't hide the fact that when they build these outposts it is for the explicit goal of expelling Palestinians and you know just creating Jewish territory.

The at the funeral of the young man who was killed a friend of his said the same thing said you know Yahuda was on a strategic mission one of the most important missions for Israel to expel Palestinians from the land.

And when you listen to the the settler leaders when they talk about what these land patrols are for it is again it's it's not to maintain stability or keep the peace they are they they say we are out there trying to generate friction.

In other words they are trying to incite a response from the Palestinians that they will then use to justify a sort of massive show of force and so this this young man was killed on Saturday it's unclear to be to be fair I mean I've looked at all the evidence and it's just impossible to say right now if it was in fact an accident or if it was a ramming attack but even if we assume that it was a ramming attack.

That is what the settlers are out there agitating for is is to be attacked in some way to then justify exactly what happened after which was that the settler leaders all came out and started explicitly calling for revenge for the murder of Yahuda the the one who his own father at his funeral called him a sacrifice for the settlement movement.

So now they all go and call for revenge Smotrich actually goes up at the funeral and he says specifically we will now settle all of today and some area we are going to erase the letters of the Oslo Accords as an areas A B and C.

And then what follows is the settlers go and and follow that command they go out and they start creating new outposts they go into areas A B and C.

And in doing this they're attacking Palestinians just yesterday settlers who were setting up a new outpost shot and killed a Palestinian and so.

You know there's this sort of line that people say which is like it is really government is enabling this violence or they're not cracking down on the violence but that is actually really understating it because they are directly coordinating it they are funding it they are arming it and ultimately like it is a state project and said this.

The settlers you know sometimes the the their actions become too grotesque for even sort of Israel supporters to defend and they come out and they condemn it but then the next day quietly below the headlines Israel is is sending money to these illegal outposts it is retroactively legalizing them so to answer your question crystal in a more succinct way what we're seeing is.

In explosion and settler violence exactly as the settlement movement is is designed and planned at the highest levels of the Israeli government.

And you mentioned the the alphabet in the Oslo Accords wanted to put this up really quickly.

Description here in the past 24 hours you know five new settlement outposts were erected three in area A one area B one area C deliberate placement where once the Oslo Accords drew lines no more and so the messages delivered plainly.

The national court of justice has spoken the finding is clear Israel's presence on lawful the responses clear still it will not be complied with it will not be enforced so what are these.

Like what what are these settlements look like and what can you in here maybe I can like maybe I can put this up while you're talking but like can you explain to people what this area A B and C are and why it's significant that they're planning to wipe it out.

And maybe Jasper also like what it looks like if you're what it physically is like for people yeah go between and down.

Yeah so so area A B and C it's from the Oslo Accords or the Oslo 2 Accords actually in the mid early mid 90s and the idea was was the West Bank remained Palestinian land under a Israeli military occupation so it was not transferring ownership of the land into Israeli hands.

What it was doing was dividing up the West Bank in terms of who would administer and govern different parts of it.

And so area A remained entirely in the hands of the Palestinian Authority which means that the PA ostensibly has control over things like you know basic municipal functions like you know waste management and you know paying the

salaries of public school teachers and things like that but also security as well.

So area A traditionally has been off limits for Israeli settlers area B is sort of a split it's technically the administrative function is the Palestinian Authority security is a combination of the IDF and the PA.

And then area C is entirely under Israeli control even though there are lots of Palestinians who live in area C now from long time these illegal outposts which is basically when settlers to answer your question Emily it's when settlers peel off from a settlement they go into Palestinian land where they're they are not supposed to be and they basically you know plant is really flag put up a tent.

You know bring in like a couple of containers and if if all goes to plan for them it basically metastasizes and it grows and more settlers move in and then eventually you know they get they start getting money from the state.

And the idea would be that at some point the state actually retroactively recognizes it as a legal formal settlement and so you know that's important because the message to these these settlers who are breaking Israeli law by going out and creating outposts if you stick it out for long enough we will authorize you and turn you into a real settlement and you'll start getting money and funds and you know construction.

Construction paid for by the state and armed too big to fail and so the the project of expelling Palestinians from area C and turning it into into all Jewish land has been remarkably successful in the in the last couple of years basically and so what you're seeing now is the settlers are setting their sights higher and they're going into areas B and even more notably into area A were traditionally they did not go at all.

And again you know this is explicitly what the the highest members of the government have been going for them to do it is and it's also not just what they've been calling for them to do in in February you may remember there were these cabinet decisions that said that these really military is now allowed to go into areas A and B for things like you know environmental protection and you know protecting heritage so they have already.

Already created all these sort of formal pre-tenses for the military to be able to go into areas A and B and now the settlers are following suit and they are fulfilling the plan of the of the smoturches of the world of just erasing the oil lines and taking over the entire West Bank.

At that point Jasper the IDF chief warned about something to talk about here that the IDF is on the verge of collapse after 900 straight days of course because reservists are being sent to Gaza Lebanon Syria West Bank and there's no ultra orthodox conscription laws have been passed but also the cabinet has approved like you said legalization of dozens of more outposts and farms in the West Bank requiring additional troops to protect them.

As well as Jewish national terrorism is surging there so it seems like these West Bank expansions have been you know draining what little reserves they have left.

Yeah I mean I think you know your audience probably knows that a lot of people basically attribute the ability of Hamas and other Palestinian militants to so easily break through the border.

With Gaza on October 7th they attribute that to the fact that so much of the IDF was in the West Bank protecting settlements and it should be said that the the military the IDF is actually obligated to protect settlers wherever they go in the West Bank and so you know it to be to be fair to the IDF I mean there are I have I have encountered foot soldiers there not necessarily like commanders but I've encountered people on the ground who

who basically at least they seem like they can't stand the settlers because they are causing problems for them they're constantly going into Palestinian villages and then it's just a hassle for the soldiers to have to go and defend them and it's not to say that you know this is because they're benevolent and they care about the Palestinians but like it's a pain in the ass for them they're causing them problems.

But what's happening now with the military is that you know the higher levels of the military what's called the central command which oversees the West Bank is now becoming more ideologically aligned with the settler movement and so there is much less resistance to go and you know defend these settlers when they go off on these little excursions to create outposts across areas A B and C you know in the case of the who was that Griffin who said that was that Zameer or was that the

leader or was that Avi Bluth let me let me try to look into that while you talk because I say that IDF chief of staff okay yeah I think that was Zameer I mean he has sort of taken a position of you know being he's one of these guys that comes out and condemns the settler files Zameer and yeah and and that is you know like the politically expedient thing to do both on the national and the international or mostly on the international level because people don't like

in general to see these videos of these sort of ferrule mask settlers you know beating palestin innocent Palestinians he takes this position that you know it's a problem.

I'm in her Jasper is that a lot of these kids are coming out of the foster care program and kind of being groomed into into just then becoming violent these are what what did you discover while you're over there about these kids like often looks like 15 16 17 year old just angry adolescent

like lunatic like crazy looking kids.

Well they're all over the map I mean some of them are you know we're troubled kids in Israel who were who were basically adopted by an outpost that had registered itself as some sort of a foster home and then they be cut there you know basically conscripted into this this holy war on Palestinians which I think we could all agree is is basically child abuse.

But some of them are homegrown exactly some of them are homegrown I mean you who you who to Sherman the boy the 18 year old who was killed his father just didn't interview the set on newspaper where he was boasting about the fact that when he was 11 years old he was going out on his own into the hills to reinforce them so we're talking about an 11 year old whose parents whose parents are sending him out to do land patrols which again is you know ultimately to provoke Palestinians into a violent response.

And so you know a lot of these guys that you see and like I've encountered lots of settlers on you know land patrols what it basically means is it's like it's like when when me and my and my brother were young and that you know I would get right in his face and like go like this and be like I'm not touching you I'm not touching you and you wait for him to respond and then you can say he hit me.

I mean that that is literally what they are doing and and again it makes sense when you think about is like these are punks these are you know troubled kids who you know we're not raised right basically that's what they're out they're doing and then eventually listen like you know smoters grew up as one of these kids so did Ben Gavir and you know I don't think we're going to excuse what they become now but I mean it's it's just to say that like this has been their entire lives they are born and raised in this environment where like you said their child's

soldiers basically well just for I was going to ask is I think this is one of the interesting undercurrents that doesn't get enough attention you mentioned how there's more ideological alignment within the IDF and the settler movement and wanted to ask you to tell us a little bit of like just give us more background on that like why has that happened recently why does it seem like that's grown recently.

Yeah well just to sort of take a step back I mean you know the IDF as like an institution think of it as an you know an institution the same way that like the US the Pentagon is its own sort of institution distinct from.

You know the executive in some way so as an institution it has not always been ideologically lined with the settlement movement and in fact for decades.

There were open clashes between soldiers and settlers in the West Bank because the soldiers were interested in ruling with an iron fist and sort of maintaining stability in the West Bank whereas the settlers were like I said agitating for war and so there were actual fights you know there's these videos you see if settlers going and like tearing down excuse me soldiers going and tearing down outposts and the settlers throwing tantrums and fighting back.

Over the years I mean that that still happens from time to time I should say but the leadership of the military have been installed as you know they've been hand picked as people who are aligned with the settler movement so you know Smotrich that what he did to to basically ferment this was.

He installed himself in the defense ministry he created a new position called additional minister in the ministry of defense he then within the defense ministry created something called the settlement administration and what it was was basically a shadow government to oversee the West Bank.

Still within the auspices of the military because it's a military occupation so.

By international law it has to be governed by the military so now you have the the settlement administration which is technically a branch of the defense department of the defense ministry which is overseen by an extremist ideological settler Smotrich and he has just installed his cronies into all these positions of power there and that has seeped into the actual like.

The central command to the fighting arm of the military as well and so you know like Avi Avi Blut is an interesting character he is the head of the central command which basically means he's like the general in charge of the West Bank he is one of these guys that is constantly coming out and condemning the violence settlers he always makes a big show of it in fact like a week ago he sent a letter basically saying how the violence settlers were putting all of his real at risk.

What he's doing quietly behind the scenes is he this was reported from within the the military in an Israeli paper in why net he has a henchman a guy who reports directly to him that goes and and visits these outposts when they're formed he works directly with the leader of the outpost to make sure they have an armed guard to make sure they have the logistical support that they need and to basically help them map out how they're going to expand.

And how they will have you know reinforcements from the military and so it's all this you know sort of you know out of one side of the mouth they condemn the violence out of the other side they're working directly with the settlers to help them expand.

And you know it's it's it's it's clearly just a state project well speaking of condemning the violence me and Ryan have been wondering online over this week.

American politicians have all of sudden started condemning the West Bank violence we've been seeing Zionist liberal Zionist Democrat politicians and all sorts of people over the last week or so come out and say.

These West Bank settlers have to stop yeah we have to condemn this violence and even people that are very staunch Zionist people like Emily Schrader and others who are you know the talking heads on Pierce Morgan that have been.

And laundering so much of the Israeli genocide they're like no this is actually where we stop it seems like some sort of like call went out that this is the time to talk about it and I don't know if Ryan if you want to add any more to that point yeah you got Richie Torres Stan Goldman and then a pack itself after a couple days put out its own statement saying this has to stop this is outrageous yeah in such a way that before a pack.

Came out with its statement people like oh this seems coordinated like a memo went out like it is time to do a ritual round of denouncing of settlers and then a pack came out go there yeah there's the memo yeah so yeah how do you how do we understand this round of denunciations from Richie Torres and others who who now have said that any you know criticism of Israel anti-Semitic yet here here they come.

Like what's going on here.

So I'm just going to come out and say like I'm not convinced it was coordinated I mean it's certainly possible that it was but it's it's actually not it's actually nothing new that you know liberal Zionist particularly Democrats will condemn settler violence and it's good point you didn't have a whole lot of Republican Zionists.

Russian Christians I saw like I saw Roger and some other Christians come out but yeah well I mean look I mean what what they're what liberal Zionism is is sort of you know the one of the tenants that it's built on is the idea of a two state solution being the you know the solution to this to have a two state solution you obviously need the West Bank to be part of the Palestinian state or at least part of the West Bank to be the Palestinian state the settlers.

From the very beginning from you know 67 and and certainly up to the present are just shouting as loud as I can there will never be a Palestinian state here and we are going to make sure of that by creating facts on the ground by you know building settlements across the West Bank and so what they're doing is just like literally you know they're going to the people were saying there's going to be two state solution and they're like yeah just just try try us and so you know when you think about it like that.

The settlement movement not even just the violence settlers but the settlement movement as a whole is a a really big political problem for liberal Zionists because they are you know precluding the opportunity for the the two state solution which which liberal Zionism depends on and so it's it's not that difficult.

Of a position to come out and condemn you know these violence settlers who are just like viscerally you know we don't like looking at them we don't like seeing what they're doing and politically they are you know trying to try to wipe out the possibility of this two state solution once the two state solution is off the table which I think materially it is but you know it's still sort of you know uses a rhetorical and political tool but once it's off the table it's much more difficult to.

Just sort of unconditionally support Israel and so you know I think that you know a Dan Goldman or Richie Torres when they come out and condemn settler violence.

What they're basically doing is like releasing you know pressure from this machine that allows them to just provide unconditional support for Israel this is their sort of possible deniability their way of saying like well we're not going to defend you know the worst of what they're doing you know we still need to you know.

Have an idea of a two state solution in order to take our pro Israel positions and so I think I mean to me it looked kind of like a chain reaction I mean the videos we're getting really bad and one guy came out and condemned and then another one and then the Israeli leader started condemning and then APAC came out and did it it's certainly possible there was a memo but it should just be said that like this is not actually new I mean the settlement movement is generally not supported even by.

Liberal Zionists in America the problem is you know these people are not willing to actually do what needs to be done to put a stop to it which would be you know and ultimate them to the Israeli government unless you.

You know stop funding the settlers unless you start evacuating these outposts and in my mind it would be evacuating you know hundreds of thousands of settlers actually unless you do that you're not getting another dollar from us.

But they're not going to do that instead what the goldmins and the rich authorities do is keep on telling these really government the ones who are behind the settlement movement to get the settlers in line which is just you know ridiculous on its face.

Yeah and it's also like I mean I think the reason me and Ryan felt it was maybe slightly more coordinated this time is because there was new faces doing it like I think we had was it Chris Cuomo came out and was like WTF and it's like where you been man.

Like this has been going on for quite a while and then like I mentioned Emily Schrader and it's there's kind of just a dissonance between you know like what you're willing to defend and allow I mean she said this is wrong but and you know I do have her husband here in Israel posing with some of the rapists from the set up prison rape a riot.

Where they're you know bringing them on and showing them around on Israeli TV so you know it's interesting what this is to me it's like yeah I mean that is it's almost I mean it's sort of a perfect illustration of the way that a good liberal Zionist will you know come out and say one thing and then go and and do another because if you are supporting the Israeli government in any way right.

Now just to be you know very clear about it if you're supporting the Israeli government you're supporting completely lawless you know rogue government that is supporting these violent militias who are who have complete impunity they have arms from the government they have money they have housing they have tax subsidies they get everything they need from the government who are going out and committing this violence and so it like it is it is really just I mean

the reason frankly that I often appreciate the settler so much just from a sort of reporting perspective is because they don't hide these things they just come out and say it I mean it's it's amazing to watch like Leo Leibovitz who is an editor at large for tablet which at one time was a sort of you know nominally respectable Jewish publication wrote this long post where he basically said you know the settler violence is really a response to Palestinian aggression.

And the settlers on the other hand are like no no we're going into their communities and provoking them and trying to get them to be violent towards us and it's the Louis through the row documentary that came out last year just had some like incredible moments.

I mean I have so many just like I mean when you when you I had a settler say to me a couple of years ago when I was I was telling him about my own experience in this town called Sebastia where.

The soldiers came in and we're just completely belligerent like shooting into the air into the ground you know pointing their weapons at us throwing us around and I asked him like do you think that that is helpful like do you think that that is you know helping to maintain stability and what he said to me was.

Do you think that it was helpful for the US military to go into Iraq and you know make sure that you know they were not able to you know use a nuclear weapon on the United States and I thought that he was actually taking my side for a second and then I realized he the point he was making was that it's good that the US military was in Iraq because then we were able to stop them from you know launching their nuclear weapon and so you know that is the reality that they're living in one and.

Which like you need to be in all of these Palestinian communities you know terrorizing people and roughing them up to make sure that they can't launch their imaginary you know in the case of Iraq they're imaginary nuclear weapon at us in the case of these many times quiet Palestinian communities like there's there's no armed resistance there whatsoever so it's just entirely they are there to you know be a permanent military occupation and to terrorize people.

All right well Jasper thank you so much for giving us the download on all of that and for staying on top of this topic for us where can more people crystal I had to crystal I had to run to something else she she was not angered just left to be clear crystal left to go settle the the West Bank okay good yeah I mean you know I please you know consider subscribing to my sub-sag infinite

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All right what's up dorks that's going to lead right into this first clip here on this side of the show yeah you got to get fired for that apparently apparently maga is dorks now according to one Joseph Rogan let's take a listen.

The phrase make America great again I don't care that phrase sucked here's like first of all America is great would make America greater I'm down but make America great again and then it becomes a movement of a bunch of fucking dorks a lot of these really weird fucking uninteresting unintelligent people that have got something they cling to and there's a lot of people that are just real genuine patriots and they're all lumped into this one group and you gotta

accept the dorks to fuck that yeah I can't tell you how funny this is Emily where on the roster of of maga do you think Joe Rogan has encountered the dork maga like who do you think he's referring to there well what's so funny about this is a year ago when doge was happening

maga was cool kids call the top of the world yes yes New York magazine was framing maga as the quote cruel kids club and that burst a million think pieces about how conservatives became cool and I'm telling you as somebody who sat through dozens of panels about how like at CPAC over the years about how to make conservatives cool that always made you want to die.

I have so many stories about this but it was an obsession of the right for years about how they couldn't own culture and how the right couldn't be ever perceived as cool didn't matter or not to the right get into Hollywood everyone like all the what is it the Lincoln society of conservative Hollywood we've got some people in there they've infiltrated I can't tell you how funny it is to see that all come crashing down

because it was built on the maga house of cards the like trump house of cards that the trump had this vibe shift post butler where it was real like it actually that was genuinely real all of these like different people were like that guys bad ass and there was like six months where maga was at the top of the world because the american people were so sick of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris democrats had this like aling.

um well octogenarian almost octogenarian as the president of the states who couldn't complete a sentence and juxtaposed with that yeah trump and elan must to some people seemed cool and younger people post covid were interested in different ideas and I was sitting back watching this thinking for the republican party that's not sustainable because

and I don't even think it's sustainable for any political party um we all remember when Obama came into office on the hope and change mantle and we look back on that 10 years later or about 15 years later and I was like those guys were a bunch of dorks and rock the vote shirts like politics is

you have to well it's dorky because people have to now put on team jerseys and when you're putting on team jerseys it makes you not cool because that means you're

like going to obscure the truth and you're not going to be interested in like transparency and this is an era of very low institutional trust so wrapping an institution is not going to be cool ever ever I just don't understand why

I don't know I mean I don't I don't do people really think maga was cool honestly got like that's a real question I don't know what do you who do you think it is Ryan who do you think Joe is being triggered by here is at the cash

Patel hockey locker room video is it the way is it the White House government tweets like where did what is Rogan finding this dork factor bro the irony of course is that

my mind goes immediately to Elon Musk yeah right the one guy he still likes maybe it's cash Patel and it's like chugging his buttlight or whatever

um maybe I don't I don't know but yeah what's going on is he like I saw a clip from CPAC where you have right here yeah roll that one yeah

I were talking about this young kid yeah what now this guy this guy reading the same thing yeah but and this guy visually this is central casting for dorks so let's hear direct from the dorks

ice I just I get the vibe a lot of people I knew who just wrote the truck because it was cool

in like high school or just now just being like yeah yeah yeah so this is it was transgressive against the

dominant culture of the time which was as Ryan wrote about of in elephant in the zoom was this

increasingly rigid ideological conformity pushed by you know everywhere from Wall Street with ESG

to um the media referring to people as against their will is Latinx um and so it was it was transgressive

to support Trump and so I guess to answer my own question there's a moment where that could have

been perceived as like genuinely cool because there was something like again subversive anti-establishment

whether or not you believe that um you know Trump ended up getting inaugurated with all of the tech

CEOs behind him which the question at the time in my mind is is this him saying I have conquered you

or is this him uh saying you have conquered me and we know how it turned out and if you know

anything about politics you probably could have guessed how it turned out but I think there was

for a lot of young people who were around in the covid period and like culture cultural

tastemakers who around in the covid period this moment where there was catharsis um and

Griffin you would know about these vibes like in California there was this uh and you're probably

in New York at the time but like you could there was this something that was like um artistic catharsis

to be found and in Trump being the most unusual like unusual place to project that onto

uh i mean yeah that's a whole other bag of worms that has to do with a lot of like specific

entertainment industry issues but yeah uh i mean where where does this go now that they're not

cool anymore i'm not sure uh and i'm specifically interested in in Rogan and and you know

Rogan's a little late to this because there's a few other people whose fingers were a little more

to the wind on this Andrew Schultz has been coming out sort of against the Trump movement

a little bit quicker and people like that so we'll be interested to see where these guys go next and

is it then are they i mean i don't know if they're going to flip or if a lot of these guys are just

going to remove themselves from politics because like if it's like another democrat standard bearer

i don't see them being like oh no this is counterculture i think they're just not going to vote now

what do you think Ryan? Well when does this tell you as people to vote uh democratic?

oh right mm-hmm the mess with them um yeah like what's so amazing is that

that Trump did all of this to himself mm-hmm right now right now we're seeing some like

catastrophically hot weather um and we're looking at maybe you know uh historic drought conditions

you know throughout much of the mountain west and then southwest so like we're we're had

there's going to be some external pressure on the Trump administration but other than that

he's had a remarkably smooth glide through this first year plus all of the problems that he has

either the chaos around the tariffs though multiple wars like the you know ice violence

around the country like these are all the product of his decisions this is not a Katrina

that he's you know failing to respond to effectively it's his own stuff which which to me

makes him kind of uniquely bad president like he's mishandling the crises that he is producing

and so yeah people are like i you know this is not cool like this is not transgressive like this is

actually um making my life much more difficult um in our poll a week ago we had like half the

country was saying that they thought they around were would make their life more difficult

and that was a week ago i think you probably see 60 70 percent at this point now gas and gas

and dc's up to like 450 a lot of people are looking at oil prices but like what people care about is

what that what the number says at the pump um and then how that filters through prices when it comes

to you know plastic um uh grocery grocery prices which are heavily fueled by you know the price

of plastic actually uh and then we're going if we start seeing shortages of stuff like covid

styles shortages but not driven by an external event like covid driven by Trump's own decision

so yeah my theory of this has always been that the right was reading too much into the extent to

which rogan and others rallying around trump was much more anti left them pro right so it wasn't as

though people were like we love liberation day tariffs we can't wait to be liberated by these

tariffs we love mass deportations we can't wait to see them it was more f that like and this

has been yeah like the CPAC set and like I've literally spoken at CPAC and it's it's it's even

worse than it's ever been before like it's bad it's like genuinely assigned that the conservative

movement um the energy has been sucked out of the conservative movement just as everyone thought

the conservative movement had been inflated by maga to its like record level of momentum and size um

and that was always a mistake because so much of what was pumping it up we see this in the debate

over israel um you Megan Kelly has pushed back who who else has pushed back on this maga label um

and trying to think of another good example she said i'm not maga i'm maga adjacent i'm an

independent i voted for both parties and presidential elections my whole life and i think people

were like lumping rogan in with actual maga and and Megan and with actual maga and other people

in with actual maga and assumed we won because now people are they're all maga it's like no they're

anti left more than they are maga um that's the the big priority that true people to them so

anyway very interesting now new fox news pole has the country you know the country was against the

war but kind of you know in the beginning the public is ready to support war in general so the

fact he was only at like 50 50 was not good news for him new fox news pole um has 57% against 41

percent of proving um so like he's even underwater on on the war itself on the effects of the war he's

way underwater yeah and and i do also think there might be a Charlie Kirk element to all of this

because Charlie was for lack of a better word like cool within the movement and then when he was

gone there's been a lot of uh woke scolding a lot of arguments about his his character what he

believed what he didn't and then the establishment tried to replace him with brilin hollyham so the

the brilin uh whatever uh the trajectory has been incredibly dorkish um who was like going around

campuses and be like it is our mandate to support like a little Lindsey Graham yeah just straight

from his private jet or whatever i believe was one of the videos um so yeah they they haven't really

had a lot of figures and i really do think the cash betel thing has has tainted adorakiness

outside of the Elon stuff to all of this um but i think this leads us perfectly to some of our

AMA questions that will get to really quickly right now before we get to dr. Abdul al-Sayed um

someone asks uh this is chart dog asked what's up with the weird twitter posts from the whitehouse

account um no and i i mean so for folks who have not been uh paying attention to the whitehouse

dot gov official twitter account um there's a vibe that i can only describe as school shooter adjacent

just like very very that columbine aura yes very columbiney um just they've been posting these if

you're just listening to an audio these odd digitized photos of jadey vans and trump i really

have no idea what's going on that's ruby that's that's ruby up on the seat of the union that's

ruby on the couch okay nice no it's from the city union you can catch it straight from the digital i

like that um no it's someone else someone like you say i did do that i forget who it was i would

give them credit if i had it there's also been these bizarre like there's a bizarre like three or

four second video of people's feet in like a room talking about a plan like just these very very

bizarre posts um Emily like what has the reaction been on on the conservative side is this

is this based trolling or is this just bizarre it's completely bizarre and maybe it's also intended

to be a troll and they're going to do some big reveal i'm guessing that they're building up to

some big reveal i have no idea but i will say when they put out that bowling video um in the earlier

days of the war that was i just heard a lot of internal chitchat people being like what the actual

fuck is happening um at the social media team even like on the right people were like what the

actual fuck is happening like that is so even for our expectations of you know this administration

on social media the president himself posts the craziest shit on social media but even then this was

like it's completely insane and shameful so that definitely i'm sure that made its way

up to the people who are doing this who i don't know who the people are doing this are um

but i have no theory of the case other than they're trolling in some obscure way that doesn't

even matter anymore um because like what what are we going to do about it be like what's up at the

weird social media posts i can change anything all right uh this next one should be for

Ryan uh this comes from chase lilinard or chase the swifts uh could an american private company

set up in cuba and sell diesel to the hospitals and other medical facilities no um you can no you

could not uh they they guidelines that the treasury department is without say that any private

business that imports that legally imports uh gasoline or diesel cannot give it to cannot sell it

or give it to the public sector like not allowed um so the the best that you could have you could have

happened is that enough private companies bring in oil and diesel and that brings down

the price um and then somehow it gets diverted to the hospitals but they you they couldn't

participate in that legally um now this this russian tanker is on its way because i think

Putin really likes to uh likes the idea of not being the obvious bad guy um and so how many days

out are we now um it's you know yeah it's it's the and a totally colloquial it's

you know so far it's still going um and it's refusing to back down um so in in cuba like

everybody was talking about that that's how bleak it is it's like people are like

tracking like where is this russian tanker is it gonna make it we don't like we don't know are

is it gonna turn back um but so we'll say it's you know within day is we should know

whether or not the US is willing to like militarily confront this this oil tanker that is planning

to deliver oil to uh to cuba okay well we're making Putin look like the good guy mission accomplished

and that's not easily done so yeah some say could be done yeah with trump said hold my beer all right

well on that note we've got uh dr abdual al-sayed who's running for senate in michigan let's let

them in all right joining us now dr abdual al-sayed senate candidate in the great state of michigan

getting attention toward his campaign thanks to all of his other you know serious opponents in the

race a pack and some other groups all condemning a rally that he hosted this week um with Hassan

Piker who i was just uh on a trip to cuba with which so the kind of denut the Hassan Piker denunciation

cycle moved kind of seamlessly you know from denouncing everybody who went to cuba to now denouncing

senate candidate and michigan for campaigning with him um that dr al-sayed thank you so much for

being here we're really really appreciate it right and it's always a privilege to be with you all

and uh we have not hosted our rallies yet they're coming up at the university michigan and michigan

states uh and april seventh i folks have not signed up i hope you'll come will also have uh

represented some relief we're looking forward to it what was the it was the announcement of the

rally that got everybody angry like where did it because you had actually announced it like

think like a week earlier so what like what was what was it that triggered this round of like

viral like cancellation um outrage you know i i don't even know and and the point that you made

in the first place is that we're talking about somebody whose job it is to talk to groups of people

that you would think people running for public office would want to be talking to they're the folks

i want to be talking to and a big frustration that we've often had is that too often the people

who should be voting for democrats are not showing up to elections at all and the question is

where are we missing them why are we not uh able to move our message well i think part of it is

that too many politicians don't have a message that these folks care about because they are on the

wrong side of locking these same folks out and on the other it's that we're not actually going to

the places that these folks are i mean we remember the whole 2024 discourse about whether or not

the vice president should have gone on rogan so my question is what is wrong with going and talking

to a group of people who have been uh let down by our politics cast aside by politicians weren't

talking to the issues uh that they're talking to and i'll just say this the logic of this is

kind of crazy given the fact that uh Hassan was invited to stream live from the DNC in 2024

and so i'm only doing what vice president Harris did in the first place i think the question then

i would ask any of the folks who are so frustrated about this is why wasn't there so much more outrage

when she did it yeah until they kicked him out i think the third or fourth day uh but that's a

different story um there were some quotes here from uh malleor mic moro uh who's running against you

about Hassan uh to quote this from the jewish insider she says it is somebody who says extremely

offensive things in order to generate clicks views and followers which is not entirely different

from somebody like nick flentes that is not somebody you should be campaigning with at a moment

when there's clearly a lot of pain and trauma across our state how do you bring everybody together

when there are difficult conversations where there are easy answers um i'll leave that question to you

Abdul i'm trying to have conversations with everybody and i agree that there's a lot of pain and

trauma across our state there has been so much pain and trauma across our state that's why i've

always tried to name that pain and trauma from the jump you go back a couple of years we have watched

as israel has decimated gaza in a genocide and it took two years for my opponent to call it what it

was a genocide so if we want to be in the business of understanding pain and trauma i think it's

important for us to name pain and trauma and herein lies exactly the double standard um when we talk

about the pain of trauma of some groups of people that gets ignored it gets ignored by the same

politicians who tend to ignore the kinds of people uh who listen to Hassan piker twitch uh stream

every single day i'm trying to have a conversation with everybody i was proud last saturday to spend

my saturday morning uh in jewish prayer services i was invited in and i was so grateful to get to

share space at the end of the day i think it is absolutely for critical for us to understand

that pain begets pain and the only way that we heal pain is by going and addressing the circumstances

that cause it that's what i'm trying to do and then all of this seems completely separated from

the foundational issues that people are feeling pain on across our state everywhere i go people

tell me about the fact that they cannot afford anything as simple as gas they can't afford their rent

they can't afford their groceries and they certainly can't afford health care i'm trying to have

conversations about how we unlock our current system take money out of politics through corporate

bribery how we address the fact that we need to put more money back in people's pockets by standing

with unions and small businesses and finally guaranteeing every single person health care through

Medicare for all those are the conversations i'm having with people whether they are in town halls

in places like ishpaming in on twitch with people like hasan or in churches in places like Detroit and

those are the conversations i think we need to be focused on i don't go ahead crystal sorry i was

just gonna ask and nice to see you i'm dull sorry for being late i had a thing i had to do now i'm

back but um wanted to make sure i got a chance to speak with you at least for a little bit but i

was curious actually if people are bringing this up to you when you're you know having online

events or when you're having town halls in the district is this um you know are they raising

concerns about the the rally with hasan or things has on his head or you know what your stance is

etc you know it's interesting every room i walk into two things happen number one somebody who's

usually older than 60 comes up and says wow there are so many young people here and then one of

those young people comes up to me and says hey i heard you want hasan i just think one of the

problems with our politics is that we tend to do politics for consumption by people who talk about

politics like sport and if you're somebody who can consume politics like sports by definition that

says something about your general privilege i'm trying to have conversations with people for whom

politics is foundational to being able to afford a dignified life and i know that a lot of those

folks feel exed out of our political conversation because it's had by people who they know do not

share their life experiences and could not care less about them i do i'm a physician i trained to

take care of people to make sure government works for people as a health director both in Detroit

and Wayne county i want to go to the places where people who feel locked out of our politics are

actually paying attention and those are the conversations that i want to be having it's the reason

why young people show up to our events because they understand that i'm not trying to talk down to

anybody i'm not trying to talk in language that is not accessible to everybody i'm trying to talk

about real problems that real people face in real places where people actually go there's no question

that from you know like a Laura Loomer or others you've experienced some in the subject of some

outright bigotry there's also the issue of just the the synagogue tragedy that happened

several weeks ago now and i wanted to ask about how you navigate questions about

potential extremism in michigan where people are like maybe asking you to answer for people

who are doing horrible things like what what has that been like on the campaign trail say imagine

that's a some of those conversations get difficult although as you say you're probably hearing

more about affordability than anything else after the terrible horrific attack on temple israel

i was quite clear that anti-semitism has no place in america that we have a responsibility to stand

up for Jewish people against anti-semitism it's the reason why i have been clear from the get

that we have to stand up for Jewish people and against anti-semitism and that starts with recognizing

that any attempt to tie something that's happening on the part of a foreign government abroad

to people in michigan as a function of their faith is wrong and it's anti-semitic and i released a

statement because i wanted folks to understand and put in context what happened you had a guy who

lost niece and nephew children in an attack and in his rage and pain he displaced it on people who

never ever should have been the victims of his violence i want us to understand that anti-semitism

is wrong but also hurt people hurt people and we have to understand the context in which pain

is created and then pain gets displaced if we're serious about uprooting that kind of pain we

released a four and a half minute statement about exactly what happened in how i felt about it

so i stand in solidarity with Jewish michiganers and Jewish americans frankly Jewish Israelis

i stand in solidarity with Jewish people because i believe anti-semitism to be wrong and i also

understand that what the state of israel is doing in terms of the genocide that it perpetrated in gaza

in terms of the war that it it has pushed an idiot like donald trump into finally taking action

to pursue in the ways in which they are trying to annex southern lebanon or decimate the idea of

a Palestinian state in the west bank that's all wrong and we can say multiple things are wrong

at the same time without trying to use any of them as justification for another in fact i think

if we're serious about trying to uproot the kind of violence that we are seeing take hold we have

to be able to acknowledge the pain that creates it and we have to do something about addressing it

and i just think that that's where leadership ought to start anyone who wants to tell you that some

pain is more important than other pain anyone who wants to tell you that somehow we can't talk

about context for pain is not serious about actually addressing pain they're usually trying to

weaponize it for their own political ends and what i found so striking about the kind of democratic

establishment conversation around a son piker in general and there was this like third way

article the third way column i bet that they published i think in the wall street journal saying

that like the democratic party needs to draw a bright line and a son piker needs to be on the

other side of it he cannot be in in this you know in this space in this coalition because he is

anti-semitically it's just it's just a foundational kind of belief and claim that is made i just

i just saw on but which i think most people that watch this program if they have ever watched

a son piker just know that that's false um a lot of people though have would probably have not seen

them and might assume oh maybe he maybe he is i saw that um somebody made a 30-minute compilation

which i was doing 30 minutes and i want to play it it's reactive the whole thing

yeah it's 30 30 30 straight minutes of a son piker calling out anti-semitism and

and telling his audience that it is you know anti-semitic to conflate Judaism with Israel

and on and on like i there are not many people kind of in the public space i think where you can

even make a 30-minute compilation a lot of people say it this that's that's like an extraordinary

and that's just what they found you know throughout this um and so i'm curious like on the ground

be how like how how um kind of dominant and how prevalent is kind of the understanding of who he is

and then and what and and also how kind of prevalent is the assumption among kind of older people

who don't know what twitch is do they just kind of just kind of accept it as fact oh this guy's

anti-semitic um or they haven't even heard of it like where like what because as a candidate you're

much kind of more into the public and the grassroots um then a lot of other people so what what is

your sense of what people understand about this controversy the vast majority of people don't

know who he is and they don't understand what the whole issue is about they're more concerned about

how i want to make sure that they have health care through medicare for all and then you have

folks like third way the reason that third way is so angry right now is because they are

corporate backed entity that is intended to launder the old ideas that led us into this

unaffordability crisis in the first place and we've got people like Hassan talking to young people

about how we can actually get past that how we can actually elect politicians who really want

to guarantee us health care who don't take corporate money they get real upset because well we're

all coming for all that they hold dear a system that sucks money out of our pockets into the

hands of the richest people in society by way of policies that fail to regulate corporations whether

they're providing us utilities or health care or flights and well i understand why third way is

angry but they're using a cheap scapegoat to be able to get at that and then look the guy streams

for eight hours every single day it's not hard to take things out of context and then try to paint

him with that and then because you called him a particular tag um to make that tag stick because

nobody really has the time to cope comb through except for this person who made the 30 minute

compilation to look at all of the times in which he took particular pains to differentiate between

anti-semitism and and and and the actions of the state of Israel look you know at the end of the day

I'd just this morning responded to the leader of the ADL Jonathan Greenblatt who consistently

tries to obfuscate deliberately tries to obfuscate the state of Israel and APAC for the Jewish people

and you would think that somebody who has a platform principally focused on trying to protect Jewish

people would understand the foundational risk of that and the foundational anti-semitism in that

but instead he's trying to use the concept of anti-semitism to argue that any sort of criticism

of Israel or any sort of criticism of APAC which is a MAGA backed political action committee

intent on making sure that our public policy uh backstops whatever it is that Israeli leaders

want to do he wants to extend the concept of anti-semitism to defend that too and I'm so sorry

but when you're talking about a state that is engaged in genocide at worst but also engaged in war

crimes and engaged in apartheid it is not possible uh to try to use that concept to defend what they're

doing and I just think it's really critical for all of us to be willing to have a clear direct

and specific engagement with the notion that yes it is okay to criticize a foreign government

that engages in genocide and no it is not okay to criticize a whole group of people simply because

some people want you to think that one is the same as the other they are not the Jewish people

are light onto the world anti-semitism is wrong Judaism is a beautiful faith I got to experience it

myself on Saturday the state of Israel has done terrible things is engaged in doing terrible things

in his dragging our country alongside it by way of APAC which is spending huge amounts of money to

silence people like me all of those things are true and they need to be kept separate if we're

serious about actually empowering people because that's the whole goal here whether they're Jewish

people in America or in Israel or their Palestinians or their Iranian folk or their Americans just

trying to afford their groceries and their health care all of us would do better if we stopped

pretending that some violence inflicted on the part of a foreign government somehow has to be defended

by everybody who shares a particular faith yeah I think and forgive me if this point's been made

before I jumped in the conversation I think there's also an irony here from um you know I saw your

opponent Mallory McMorrah who's now very critical of you know Hassan Piker and you doing anything

with Hassan Piker right after Trump won she was one of many who was like we got to reach out to

these you know the Jo Rogans of the world the podcast guys were these young men are I mean this

was a very common analysis and especially a common analysis from like the third way part of the

party but you know that's only when it's you know people who code right when it's someone who's

on the left who has a huge following among young men in particular um then oh this is totally

on a bounce and I think you're right up dual in your analysis that it's just basically because

they're panicking because they're losing control of the party I mean the distance between where the

base of the democratic party is and where the elected party leadership um you know remains especially

on the issue of Israel but on a variety of issues besides is gigantic and seems like something

that is is unsustainable so in light of that I mean you're running to be part of a new way of

of Democrats who approaches you know a whole range of issues very differently um one of the

things the democratic base is very disgusted with is the failed leadership of uh of Chuck Schumer in

the Senate so I wonder where you are on the question of whether he should remain leader

you know who might pick up for leader of being would be Senator Chris Van Holland I really really

hope he's running and I've said clearly I do not agree with Senator Schumer on almost anything

when it comes to the question of continued support for Israel when it comes to the question

of continuing to take corporate money into our politics and at the same time

I also understand that my critique is bigger than one individual a lot of folks who don't actually

want a level a serious critique on the party about our willingness to take corporate money to pass

corporate policy want to blame it all on the feet of one person and I'm just saying that I don't

know who the alternatives are so show me my alternatives and I will choose the leader who has the

best shot at being able to get money out of politics but money in pockets in past Medicare for all

but I also don't want us to get deluded into thinking that the very same people who take the very

same corporate money but then tell you that they want to go after Chuck Schumer are actually

serious about solving the problem because they're going to find themselves somebody else who's

willing to pass that same exact kind of policy that continues to launder corporate money into our

politics so it's just it's bigger than one person you know my my uh positions have been absolutely

clear about where I stand on genocide where I stand on corporate money in politics where I stand

on Medicare for all where I stand on abolishing ice and I'm looking for a leader who can advance

those goals hold this Trump administration accountable for the next two years of this administration

and then get us to a position where we're leading on hope for the things that we can do it's actually

build the kind of America that we need and deserve John Schumer there's only one uh don't don't

dare speak his name Emily uh Abdul I have another question for you. You're a fine character for

everybody to rally. Sorry. Go ahead. So you know I want to talk about something else that young people

care about outside of a sunpiker and that's AI. Now Bernie has been making a lot about

AI data centers wanting to pause AI growth regulated and he said things as apocalyptic as it'll

change our entire society and it might even destroy the world are are direct things that Bernie

has been saying. We also see with young people their job straight out of college are going down

and their futures are looking bleaker where do you stand on AI and what and how do you want to lead

on the issue of AI? Well I'll tell you this it definitely has that potential and there are real

risks. There's also real opportunities at you know anybody who's messed around with uh clawed or

chat GPT understands that there's real potential in this technology. The thing about any life-changing

technology though is that you have to balance the risk from the benefit and the risks that I see

coming are manifold. One is that it could potentially fundamentally and inultrably change the

social contract when it comes to the ability for people to actually sell their intellectual capital

on a market for money to live their lives and if you are starting uh to automate out what was

traditionally knowledge work out of an economy where does that go and what do you do when you are now

potentially creating a circumstance where 15 to 20 percent of young people are not just unemployed

but unemployable as a function of it. The second question is this this this topic of p doom right which

used to be a term that they used in the in the old years of AI like two years ago which is the

probability that AI would create existential doom and we know the risks of this we know that if this

falls into the wrong hands we know uh that if it's able to escape human control that there's

potentially catastrophic risks there and then there's the environmental footprint. It's not like

AI just happens out of tin air. You need huge amounts of compute sucking up huge amounts of

electricity potentially using huge amounts of water to cool it and that has physical consequences

in communities like ours. So when it comes to the regulation I think we need it and the problem

right now is a lot of the folks who understand it best are taking money from the very same corporations

who want zero regulation at all and a lot of the folks who want to regulate are not as close to

the technology. I aim to try and solve that as somebody who understands the development of this

technology and also has not taken money from the corporations that are trying to tell us that

somehow they know better for our whole entire future and when it comes to data centers I've been

very clear we put out a terms of engagement this has been a live issue there were 15 data center

projects proposed in Michigan in the last year alone and there are many many more slated for

2026 and our terms of engagement are thus if you want to open a data center in Michigan you better

meet the following terms number one if you're promising jobs you need to create all the jobs you

said you're going to create and they need to be good union local jobs number two there cannot be

any increase in our electricity costs in fact you should be invested in reducing costs and some of

the revenue uh that is passed on to utilities needs to be spent to improve our reliability

three there should be closed loop systems meaning you cannot connect to the water infrastructure

and to our water resources and things that you could just pollute our water to a cool

your computing in your data centers for that there has to be a community benefits agreement that

is negotiated and prepaid in terms of what you are going to provide a local community if you're

bringing a data center in and then all of this needs to be reinforceable via very very clear

very steep fees to make sure that data center operators are held accountable that said i am worried

because this is all happening so fast we're talking about an outlay of of of money that is greater

than the amount of money that we spent to build the federal highway system under Dwight Eisenhower

you're talking about huge amounts of capital so we need federal legislation we've needed federal

legislation and and and you know things like a an actual regulatory agency at the federal level

that that can hold uh some of these hyperscalers accountable the ability to make sure that you know

your customer when you're selling them compute so you're not selling it to some uh actor who wants to

use this from eleven what means the ability to just make sure we have rigorous testing standards

so these these these uh models don't go rogue all of that is stuff we should have had two years

ago uh and we're only now starting to talk about and so we need leaders who both understand

this technology and are not bought off by the corporations who are building it and i'm hoping

i can offer that kind of leadership in the senate and let me let me ask you one one horse race

question uh for people who aren't following this race we've talked about Mallory Moore who's

kind of running in the Elizabeth Warren maybe center left lane shes of Warren's endorsement

trying to be kind of a goldilocks candidate in between um you and hailey stevens who's

had an enormous amount of apex support in her previous race and is understood very you know

clearly the apac candidate here but seems to be hoping for a huge influx of apac money

uh which which has not arrived yet um the the races in the doldrums of you know mids early early

august is the election um which might you know could potentially depress some turnout um

polls seem to have it pretty neck and neck and neck like a like a almost a three three way

tie we're more more put one out showing her has tevens as well you but you're always like everybody's

right within a couple of points um mcmoreau herself i've seen some of my reporting from a couple

months ago resurfacing lately mcmoreau herself had uh according to one of her top campaign volunteers

sent in a an apac questionnaire maybe it was a dmf i questionnaire we don't know she hasn't

released it that was supposedly very very they loved it like the pro israel lobby loved it in

in in hopes of not necessarily getting apac spending on her behalf but keeping apac from supporting

hailey stevens so with a three way race it's tricky like if they you know if they spend money attacking

you they could boost mcmoreau um and they still lose uh if they don't maybe then you edge it out

like what are you hearing kind of through the grapevine about where apac is in this race what mcmoreau

is trying to do what stevens is trying to do and you know what's the what's the path in the next few

months that allows you to kind of break out of this three way stalemate yeah well you're right both

of my opponents just released poll numbers in one of their polls i have the highest favorability in

the other poll uh after all the voters are informed i go up over the other two that puts us in some

really good positioning with both of your opponents internal polls show you pretty strong

you recognize why it is that they are now engaging in what seems to be a pretty coordinated smear

campaign about a campaign event i'm doing with a twitch streamer so all of that is to say you know

i don't know what they're trying to do i'm not in those camps i'm just a lot more focused on having

a conversation uh with the folks in my state they understand that i've run before and i'm saying

the exact same things i said then now i want to get money out of politics i think corporations

have choked our economy out for their best interest in against ours in the eight years since i

started saying it it's all just gotten worse it's less affordable than it was i want to guarantee

you health care because i know we could do it i literally wrote a book about how to do that and

i want to make sure that we're standing with unions and small businesses rather than big corporations

who automate away our jobs that's what i've always been about and we're going to continue to take

our campaign across the state we've been in 90 cities now 300 public events we know that our campaign

is resonating i also know that because of my clarity about my values when it comes to foundational

human rights for Palestinians in in the fact that i don't think a special interest funded by

mega billionaires should be able to sway our foreign policy in the form of a pack that they're going

to spend huge amounts of money to beat me and so i ask good people if they believe in a politics

where we believe in human rights for literally everybody where we believe in the equal rights to

dignity and self-determination for Jewish Israelis and Palestinians alike if you believe that corporations

and special interests shouldn't be able to buy our politics i hope that you'll support us go

to our bill for senate dot com and invest at the end of the day my job is to have that connection

with michiganters we know that there's going to be tremendous amounts of corporate and special

interest money sloshing around and i'm just asking good people if you believe in my brand of politics

and want to see somebody in the u.s. senate who's trying to be honest with you about what we can

have not trying to tell you what you can't have and shouldn't fight for now trying to tell you

corporate talking points that are washed through a campaign then i hope folks will support us

all right well thank you doctor crystal i think i'll do it unless we have any final questions

nope that'll do it all right well good luck doctor and when is this rally happening

this infamous rally april 7th if you're an inarbor or if you're any slancing come on through we'd

love to see you okay very cool we'll leave all that in a link in the description thank you for

joining us and we'll speak to you again soon five dual thank you thanks y'all appreciate you

all right that's gonna wrap us out for this friday show um

um uh okay uh uh yeah thanks have dual uh we appreciate you uh

thanks guys you're a pleasure job at me talk to you soon

all right crystal return for the end end line here of the brand

analysis which is walked down yep

i it's yes i mean i don't know if we want to talk anymore about all the all this mirror stuff

we got through plenty in the interview but i just have to say with the Hassan stuff like

the real truth bomb is Hassan is probably one of the biggest bulwarks against anti-semitism

on the left out of anywhere because there are a lot of other content creators out there that are

far less measured and consistent and want to conflate the two because it's good for their

audience the growth that's right yes they like to flirt with it because yes because there's a big

audience for it and then the other thing um is that you know you have a lot of young men

who it's like which way western man Nick Fuentes or Hassan Piker or Hassan Piker

which one do you guys want them to choose yeah right and so look if you're looking at you know

Israel pressuring it look again Donald Trump got us into the war with Iran but Israel no doubt

wanted us there and you're watching the committee genocide and all and these like speech crackdowns

etc and you don't have the left perspective offered by Hassan Piker who was not talking about the

Jews but is talking about you know international human rights and everybody having equal rights

and that Israel does not reflect the entirety of the Jewish people even though they claim that they

do and that is what is part of what is creating this um anti-semitism if you don't have that and all

you're hearing is Nick Fuentes you might think that that neo-Nazi worldview makes some sense

so I think you're absolutely right about that griffin that he is incredibly important and you know

when I hear him talk for example about Tucker Carlson he's always very careful to talk about like

you know the the problems with Tucker's worldview overall um even in the context of like yeah

you did a great job with Ted Cruz yeah I did a great job with my cockabee etc so I completely

agree with that point yeah so I mean yeah just uh they got to be careful because it does seem like

the the liberal center's Dems have been trying to figure out where how do they because the left

is on the rise how do they articulate a difference and if this is what they're going to articulate

that Hassan Piker is like Nick Fuentes like I'm sorry Mallory McMarroll you're not ready for prime time

like this is not you cannot walk out in the stage and say that with a straight face it's absolutely

ridiculous and if you look at someone like Gavin Newsom what did he do at the election he had

Charlie Kirk Ben Shapiro Steve fucking Bannon and there wasn't any smoke for any of those people

I don't know yeah yeah yeah I mean I think it just smacks of desperation because you know I mean

the polls that have just come out do look pretty good for Abdul seemed to show him gaining some

steam and more broadly like um like I was saying the prosionist you know like everything for Israel

always Israel whatever Israel wants crowd recognizes that there are in a really dire position

with the base of the Democratic Party I mean the recent poll that came out I think only 13%

of Democrats had a favorable view of Israel 13% yeah and that's one of the honestly that's one

of the better polls I've seen for Israel with the Democratic base at this point so you know they're

trying all kinds of desperate tactics like all the you know shenanigans they pulled an Illinois for

example and so I'm curious to see what they end up doing how they end up playing in this race

because they are trying to figure out they recognize that they've won the sort of democratic debate

so now it's you know the small d democratic debate and so now it's how can we use all these sort of like

you know shady tactics to obfuscate and confuse and none of it has anything to do with Israel of

course the ads that they're running and all of that but um you know that's that's kind of where

they are and so this is the latest tactic they've deployed of like oh if you have anything to do

with a songpiker then you are an anti-Semite and this is also as a song has been doing more candidate

interviews so the democratic party is realizing that he is becoming the Joe Rogan of the left that if

you are a candidate that wants to get out there you have to go sit down next to him and you have to

have good answers and that can't be acceptable like he can't even was going to be about to do it

by these and then he backed out but yeah exactly and I think that's what the really is fine for

for yourself yes a songpiker too far um well I'll just in in that vein I'll mention that um you

know I'm hosting this event progressive victory ask me to along with a bunch of candidates who are

running in some existing office holders and a songpiker will be involved so I guess every one of

those very many candidates are involved in this event which is um which is tomorrow evening I guess

all of them decided that the risk was decidedly worth it for them in terms of their campaigns

yeah maybe they can go on the third-way live stream with like 10 concurrent viewers um

and so it's not even it's almost not even a risk all of them big donors though

the cost benefit is the benefit is you get the boost um you get the publicity the cost is that

Jonathan Greenblatt attacks you an A-pack attacks you that's not even a cost anymore

yeah that's just a point of pride that's a benefit it's benefit benefit at this point like oh

third-way doesn't like this candidate all right let me learn more about them yeah you know it's

funny you say that because I had that same reaction to this whole flop with um Abdul where the polls

have been very close and most of the polls have had him you know slightly behind the other two

candidates and then with all of this I'm like they're only gonna help him with this you know

it was only gonna help too because what he needed was in my opinion you know

watching from afar not following the race all that closely but it was a challenge for him to

try to separate with Mallory Mimaro you know the difference with Haley seems very clear

but she's trying to find this way of massaging these issues and sort of making it unclear which

one of them is really the quote-unquote progressive candidate and um you know this helps draw a

pretty bright red line for him which is something that he and you know my estimation had been kind

of a challenge for them in the campaign so yeah we'll see all right well we'll see all that

there'll be links emailed out to everyone for those live streams that crystal will be attending

and of course we will continue monitoring the situation as markets close in just a few hours so

I'm sure we're expecting quite a lot of news updates in the next couple of hours it's great

yeah we should just shift the show to work on the weekends cash returns personal email was hacked

so hopefully we will take interesting things from that to other things crystal you're beaming

people look on you know keep some cash is sending some crazy things on email that he should not be

sending a hundred percent look for look for that and more and if not we'll see you on Monday bye bye

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