#3279 Southern Charm S11E17 Reunion 2 Part One: No Craig to Stand On

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Last southern charm of the season reunion part two. If you want this on video or you want bonus

episodes, which I think next week we are going to do our first ever recap of the show we both love

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wildlife story. My really life story. I know I know it wasn't, but I'm just saying it's my

life story. So I was making a joke about that because people make fun of me being long-winded.

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Today is southern charm reunion part two, which means the end of the season. Wow,

what a banker. What a bangai. I have to say I don't want to start on a negative note,

but of course I will. I feel like this season of southern charm probably could have ended

with the season finale. I found both of these reunion episodes to be really uninteresting.

Was that just me? I did not think that I actually, and I'm not just being argumentative,

I did find them fascinating because it's like a steady and human nature of these shows. I mean,

really just watching Craig. What a fascinating lose. I mean, just everything about it. He actually

believes what's coming out of his mouth is crazy. Does Sally? I mean, you just had a man

slut shaming you, saying the meanest things about you, and completely disrespecting you on

national television. And what's your response? I want to marry him. I want to have his babies. He'd

be a good daddy. What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you that desperate to be on television, Sally?

Oh my god. The way I was yelling at my TV, Austin, what a monster, and gets away with it.

Like, to me, it's fascinating just watching these animals.

I look like that. Cat dad. Cat dad. Oh, my cat. That's a shirt today. Yeah, you are. Yeah, upside

down cats. Terrified cats. Just when Austin's cats are probably like, what the fuck were I'm on?

Those are my images of my shirt. The cats are very confused. I think for me, it's just that there

are some really good stuff on Bravo right now. And it feels like we, I don't know, like, I just,

there's just other things that I'm excited more excited to talk about and sort of tap to pump

the brakes and sit here and listen to these people just like, I don't know, flesh it out or

I don't know, hash it out. I don't know. It's just it's not doing it for me. However, I am enthused

that the valley is coming back next week. And I feel like that's not being promoted at all.

I'm not seeing any promotion for the fact that the valley starts a week from last night.

So I'm just excited for a new batch of straight people to come in and have their mess.

New batch of straight messy straight people. I am enjoying that two two shows right now.

We're seeing the lead characters kind of get called on their bullshit that we've seen for years.

We've seen it for years with these people Craig on this show. It's nice to get to watch him get

his feet held to the fire and people not back down. And we're starting to see glimpses of it

on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So check that out Kyle. People are starting to get sick of Kyle

shit too. And they're seeing all of her games. And I'm loving it. I just feel like it's festivist.

I'm like, oh my god. It's like a holiday called I told you so. Maybe I just it's the one I will

celebrate the most. So I mean, I don't know. I'm enjoying it. As for the season, not the best

season, but you know what? I'm just going to say it's hard because it's a Thursday and who

doesn't love Thursdays? Whoa, when you're a cat dad. So let's get on with it. A season 11 episode

17 reunion part two. Craig has just left the stage going, I hate this. I'm not doing this anymore.

I don't even want to come back. And then the producers come in and he goes, um, you guys are

villainized vulnerability. Unfortunately. So I'm not going to be vulnerable with you guys anymore.

Vulnerability is not a gift. And you've villainized vulnerability. You have taken vulnerability

by the hair and passed it into a rock and tried to drag it into your cave. Vulnerability is not

something that you could just abuse. You fucking faker and past well, and that it's also crazy

that first of all, he has not been vulnerable at all this entire season. I guess maybe he's

alluding to the fact that he said he had some sort of substance or alcohol problem last season.

Maybe that's what he's trying to say here. But like for him to say, you've villainized vulnerability

while he's the one screaming at people while drunk on TV is pretty ludicrous. And if anything,

the people who are being vulnerable are the people who are telling him, we are scared of you.

And I'm scared to tell this to you because I'm inherently scared of you, but I have to tell you,

if anything, that's a bit more vulnerable than you sitting there and being told that you're scary.

So sorry, that doesn't work for me. Yeah. So don't we go to Rod, Rico, and Sally, and they're

dressing room. And they're talking about what what kind of meat Sally's eating. It's fascinating.

Is it gyro meat or is it steak? No one really knows. And Sally goes, okay, well, not not

deal not to eat my air sauce, then, you hear gyro meat in the beauty. And then, uh,

Madison. So, um, so Madison, three things to agree, Q. It's not gyro. It's hero.

So Madison facetimes her baby and Brett, which is as boring as it sounds. And then everyone

goes back to the stage. Um, and Craig's like, this sucks. God. Oh, hey, what's up guys? And then

Andy's like, yeah, how are you doing? Craig's like, I just, I just, I did so well. And then I just

fucking exploded. I was like, and he's like, well, it's like not freaking out at Austin. I was doing

so well. And this is how, I mean, Craig is basically telling on himself right now because he says

it's a number of times over the course of this episode. I was doing so well. And then I had one

mess up. I was doing so well. To me, that reads as I was doing so well as presenting a version of

myself for America. And, um, you're basically admitting that you're a faker. Yeah. And I'd love

that he keeps saying like, oh my God, I haven't had, I haven't had any kind of a fit in like two

years. And they just all laughed in his face. Even Andy's just like, seriously? Come on. I barely

watched this show on three times speed while I'm doing laundry. Okay. Like, and I know that you

freaked out more than that. So welcome back. Okay. Uh, uh, welcome back to the Southern charm.

Season 11 reunion. I'm your host, Andy Cohen. I have children. Okay. This season Vanita found

herself at work with Craig. It's a Vanita segment. Everybody. Vanita a lot to a pack. Okay.

But I want to catch up with you personally. So what about fucking Carl? Are you fucking Carl?

You talked about a romance with Carl. And she tries to pull what I think is a Sierra and says,

well, I think Carl put a dead, uh, she said, well, Carl put a dent in that when he did a

people interview saying that this was an issue that long distance was an issue. And he told them

and not me. From what I've read, I mean, I think from what Carl said on a podcast, he went on one

date with Vanita. So I'm confused why everybody keeps asking them about this relationship.

If they went on one day, it's confusing. They asked them about it all the time. What's going on?

Shockingly, this is not a relationship that I have monitored closely.

But, um, yeah, you know, the thing that kind of drives me nuts about Vanita is that

she, when she answers things in a way often trying to be kind of coy,

or I think she's trying to become like witty or, or, I don't know, clever. Um, but it's like,

just say it. I just wanted to say it. So she can't even say, oh, yeah, I'm not seeing him. I mean,

she said, I mean, she does say it here. She says, I think Carl put a dead head in it because, you know,

he's because, um, when she says people, when he did, he did a people interview saying that

this was an issue and he told them and not me. And I was like, what do you mean this was an issue?

What are you talking about? Is it that's being on Southern, um, Southern, Southern charm and

summer house? I just wish you just say, sometimes she just, she speaks so elliptically. And the

irony is that I'm not even arranging my own words properly in describing it. But like,

there are a lot of times where like Andy will say, what's going on with you in Sally? And she'll

be like, well, I think Sally can answer that. I think that did it. I think that I'm like,

just say, just say she was a fucking bitch or Carl, Carl was a pussy or I liked Carl,

but then he spent more time talking to people magazine than me. Like just save one day with Carl

and it was never that big of a deal. Yeah. I feel, I feel like she falls into, and she did it with

JT a lot where it was like, she's insinuating that there's something more than there is. And so

you leave that thinking, oh, they were dead. You leave this answer thinking Venita was dating Carl

and then Carl basically ghosted her and told people magazine without telling her when he's

saying they went on one date. So she's, she's making it sound like we were, we were dating. Her answer

is kind of insinuating. We were dating, right? And she does that a lot. She does do that a lot. And

I think Venita gets a lot of hate from the audience and probably a lot of it is really problematic

and racist, frankly, because she gets so much backlash from the audience that I really don't think

she deserves. I mean, I didn't agree with a lot of her coming for, like coming for Craig in an

interview and then acting like she was surprised that Craig was mad. You know, there's things like that.

But at the same time, the backlash from the audience is so disproportionate to anything that she's

done that I hesitate to really even say anything because yeah, I like that. And I like root for her

on the show. And I think it must be really hard for her to be the only black cast member on a show

in the South with these fucking people. And they haven't made it easy. But I think she also

hasn't made it easy on herself sometimes. And it's just answers like this. I'm like, Venita.

Yeah, exactly. And so I totally agree. I totally agree that the hate that she gets is totally

disproportionate compared to the things that Craig does, for example. But yeah, there are times when I

watch her on the reunion. And I'm like, just answer the question. I know you're trying to be cute

right now or trying to be coy, trying to maybe even have like a moment that sort of like lands as

like light shade. But it's just like just you're making me have to read between the lines too much.

I'm sick of reading between the lines. Give me all the lines. Give me all the texts. You know,

so this is probably don't want to read. That's real TV. Just just say exactly what you're reading.

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So he has about her mom. He's like, so how it was great to see your mom on the show. How is she?

And tell us like, that's my girl. It's just, well, yeah, well, she goes, wait, was that shade?

Was that Shavenina? She says, well, I said, well, because you said, that's my girl. And I know

why you said that. She was, yeah, because she had my back. What's saving him?

This is a perfect example. And I know why you said that. It's like, can you just say,

just say it, but need a, because then Sally is like, yeah, she had my back. She was, well,

she didn't know the full story. So of course, and Sally goes, what's the full story then?

She goes, anyway, I'm like, this is it. This is the exact sort of interaction that Venita does

that drives me nuts because I am largely on Venita's side with almost all these issues.

But I see her defending herself so poorly and explaining herself so poorly and just not

stating the thing that's on her mind during this reunions year after year. And I'm just sort of like

annoyed with it. I guess I'm a real, I'm a real salty, salty podcaster today, aren't I?

I didn't have coffee, can you tell? Oh, really? That's not like you. Well,

I have my, I have my annual physical later today. And if I have a coffee, I feel like my blood

pressure is going to read as higher than it should be. So I'm trying to be like, you know,

I'm like, what, what's something that I could do to keep my blood pressure down today? I know,

I'll rant about Southern charm and the way Venita answers things. Oh, you'll let the people

on Southern charm. So yeah, she's being a base of kind of, she's like, well, I know you

I said, but she had my back. Well, she didn't know the full story. Well, what is the full story?

Anyway, well, but then why don't we get into it? She just won't answer. So sound of Madison

goes, well, we're on our way to where? Where are we on our way to? And then he's like, yeah,

we'll get to that later. So Venita, you were interviewed on several podcasts and asked about

Craig's breakup. So we get to the Craig versus Venita thing. We see a via a file files clip via

all files, however, and she's asked if she thinks Craig should clear up page cheating. And

Venita says, yeah, I think you should speak your truth and let it be known the same way you're

speaking your truth about everything else. And he's like, and you must have realized that might

have set him. And she's like, yeah, but why didn't he just say I didn't like what you're doing

when I hurt his feelings? Then letting me continue to go from podcast to podcast because I was like,

you know, I'm speaking my truth. And if he corrected me and said, listen, I know you're doing

this podcast, but I don't like what you're saying. Then we could have had a conversation, but that

never happened. Okay. But Venita, you're also the one who came on the beginning of the season and

refused to speak to Craig and refused to be anywhere that Craig what, you know, so you weren't really

doing that either when you had a problem. So I know I've always been a little bit on Venita's side

with this one because I do think that she is allowed to say like if the question, if the situation

was that there's rumors that Paige cheated on Craig and Paige didn't cheat on Craig and he could have

gone out there and stopped those rumors and he didn't and she's saying, and she basically is going

on to the file files and saying, hey, like I think that he should speak about that because he's like,

he's only speaking about his truth, but he's not speaking about all the truth of the situation.

I think he should do that. First of all, I don't think that's the biggest crime against humanity.

No. And second of all, her opinion, if she's, especially if you're on a podcast,

they're asking for your opinion. But it is kind of funny that she's like, well, I wouldn't have

kept on saying it just, you know, saying this stuff if you just told me that you're upset by it,

which is kind of funny because it's like, you know, you'd be upset by it, right? Like,

that is sort of like a, there's a little bit of a bullshit you response on her end,

but I kind of was like laughing at it because that's the sort of thing that Craig would do to someone

else. If you're just exactly what it says, it sounds like, I was like turned about to

play. I'm okay with it. And I agree with you. Like what she actually said wasn't that bad.

The way they've been building it, building it up on the show, you would think that she was like,

fuck, Greg, he has a tiny dick. He's a fucking compulsive liar, but she didn't. I thought

what she said was pretty fair. But I also think it's fair if you heard that and you're like, well,

she's supposed to be on my cast and we're supposed to be friends. And she's basically not taking

my side in this breakup. So fuck her. I would get that too. It's just all bad communication.

Like he won't go to Venita and say, hey, Venita, you hurt me by saying this, but she won't go to him

and say, well, you're hurting me with this. And then it just becomes complete non-communication.

And that's just not very fun on a reality show. At some point, you have to have it out. That's

the whole point. You do. But the thing is this, and she says this in about like five seconds,

we've watched for several years how the cast really barely acknowledges Venita. She's there.

She's friends with some of the girls, but like she's just she's not in the mix. You know, they like,

they we've always noticed this. We've always observed this. And now all of a sudden,

Greg demands utter loyalty from her. It just is like you sort of it's not that like it's not that

people ignore her. It's never as blatant as ignoring her. But you can just see the outreach

that someone like Sally or even Molly receives from like a Craig or a chap or an Austin or actually,

I think Austin actually is has a little more relationship with Venita. But you see the outreach

towards some of the other cast members and then you see it versus Venita. And then you're

and then they're like, Oh, well, you have to because you're on Southern charm, you have to be part of

this this war against summer house. And we have to rally the troops and you have to have blind

loyalty to our cast. And it's kind of like, does she really have to have blind loyalty to you, Craig?

I don't think she really does. I mean, this is what you get. This is what you get. I don't have

kind of blind loyalty. But for reality, so you have to have the communication about you have to

have the argument. No, I, yeah, I'm not saying for you. I'm just I'm I'm just complaining to Craig

again, invisible Craig in my mind. No, but I think you're right. And I think some of the stuff is

the some of the stuff with Venita and the cast really, if you're a woman and you're on this cast

and they're not fucking you or they haven't fucked you in the past, why are you they don't have any

room for you? That's the only reason the women are here. They're props. So you had Cameron back

in the day, who was kind of the voice of reason and no one had had sex with her. And then they had

what's her buns take that role? Leva kind of take that role for a while. And then the only one I

think ever that's had that role besides them besides Patricia, of course, is Venita. I think

that's really the only one. And I think they're like, what use do we have here? If we don't see

you as a sexual object or like someone, you know, like that was an object of our eye or like

Madison will always have a role because she can take on the kind of Cameron role, but she also has

the the resume sex of having been with us sex object. And it's gross to say, but it's a gross show.

So yeah, it's just a long way of saying that I think expectations put on Venita that she has

to blindly have Craig's back are really not totally fair. So no, they're completely unfair. And I

wish you as a Venita person like as a Venita fan, I wish you would have said, I have the right to

my opinion. I thought you acted like a fucking baby in that breakup. And then you tried to make this

poor girl look terrible, you know, on your show when she was trying to save your feelings by not

talking about the breakup and making you look like an absolute was. And the least you could have done

was say that she wasn't cheating on you, Craig. That was bullshit what you did, but she doesn't.

She's just like, well, I don't want to talk about it. And I don't want to. And so like, it's like,

I'm in your corner, but I need a better fighter. I need you to come home, you know, it's three or four

at this point. Come on. So Andy's like, did you think about reaching out to Paige? Like what about

her? I'm sorry. Did you think about, yeah, did you think about reading out to Paige? What about

her comments annoyed you work? Or I'm sorry, Craig, did you think about reading out to reaching out to

Vanita? I'm all turned around from this conversation. So Craig is like, yeah, Vanita's just

repeating what she read on Reddit. I mean, Vanita's like, I don't read Reddit. And Craig's like,

she didn't know Paige. She didn't have a relationship with her. Like Paige and I were inseparable and

never spent a day really apart. And so when she went on the broadcast stop, stop, stop. I'm sorry,

Craig. I'm sorry to interrupt your fucking fountain of bullshit. What do you mean you never spent

a day apart? You you were a long distance relationship. You were always literally

lived in different cities. You literally spent your entire relationship apart. Okay, continue, Craig.

Continue. You know, the public was accusing me of dragging the break up out, which actually I was

the only one not speaking about it. I'm like, there's a video of you like in your blue sweater sitting

on a seat talking about it. And I still haven't talked about it. And I just thought it was like a

little bandwagon like getting caught up and like, let's capitalize on this like, you know,

public break up. I'm like, Craig, you literally have spoken about it many times. What are you talking

about? And yeah, it probably was a little bandwagon. But she was on a podcast and they asked her about it.

They asked her about her cast made and she answered honestly. And I just think like, yeah, I understand,

honestly, I understand why Craig has annoyed at someone that he knows and if he probably feels like

should be loyal to him regardless. But also like, this is too much like he literally just like,

I'm not friends with her ever. He had a tantrum too. And it's it's people have done far worse

to him that he still remains friends with. And saying you capitalized off of it when she's just

asked a question about the biggest thing to happen on the show that season. That's crazy. I mean,

give me a break. So he's like, well, I don't know why she says, why don't I need to capitalize

off you? And he says, I don't know why you did if Anita because you didn't know page and you

got your information off Reddit. And she's like, well, I don't read Reddit. And you and I are on

the same show and he goes, Oh, see you really thought she goes, I don't go on social media when

the show's airing. I don't read comments. I don't read Reddit. So I don't do any of that.

He's like, so you honestly believe that I was enjoying my breakup two months out of it?

She goes, well, I think you were talking about it more than others. Okay. So again, I don't

agree with the things that you said. And I think that's fair to say. All right. Madison, what's

your point of view on this? It looks like you're trying to yell beta. Yes, beta two beta starting.

I definitely don't think that Greg was enjoying it. And I think that this whole life just kind of blew

up right in front of him. Oh, Lord. What was the argument that he said that she said that Greg was

enjoying it? Did she say that in that clip? Maybe it was in that whole thing. So I mean, the other

thing is I don't know what else was said on that interview. It could have been more than just a clip

that they aired. So Andy's like, well, the need and we got a lot of posts from viewers wondering

why you weren't more loyal on Greg's out of things. Cindy from bar shop said, didn't Greg jump in

the pool last season to rescue her? Aren't you indebted for the rest of your life to Craig who is

the person who pulled you out of a small pool amongst 60 other people who were there? And she's

like, well, that's nice and dandy. But I texted Craig multiple times after that. And I think

him for weeks on end, but I'm not going to sit here and allow you to act like you want to be my

friend when we're sitting in this group because you don't reach out to me. And please let me talk

Craig because he starts interrupting. It's like, could you do this to everyone? And you speak,

can you speak in a last time? And you know, it's you speak well past the time anyone else is

given. He's like, you burnt the bridge. And then you asked why I don't visit? Well, I can't get

over there because there's no bridge who's going to save me if I drown and fall off a cliff with no

bridge. Damn it. Where's the bridge? Where's the bridge? She's like, I burnt the bridge last year.

So, but where were the years prior to that? You weren't my friend a part of that either. And he's

like, we don't know each other. Vanita, we don't have a relationship and we never had. And I

didn't think that you what you did to me was nice. And I've always been nice to you. And I'll

continue to be nice to you. So then why if you don't have a relationship, then why are you so

upset about what she said on the podcast? Right? And why are you expecting some sort of loyalty?

So if it is like, Oh, so you're exactly. Thank you. And how are you being nice by refusing to

speak somebody or acknowledge them? How's that big? Exactly. So correct. So if it is like, you're

being nice right now. Yes, I'm just telling you how I feel. It's nothing against you. Vanita's

like, um, you're over talking and you're interrupting. And I can't get my words out. And it's never,

oh, I didn't realize or oh, I could see your side. It's just like, I did nothing wrong every time

you speak. Vanita, the things that you say about me, they're actually like, they're like really

nasty. That's like, now, delicate Craig, delicate Craig, who just screamed at Sally on a bus and

screams at people all the time. She is the one who cannot be on the receiving end of quote-unquote

nastyness that Vanita said on Nick's podcast. So she's like, okay, well, I'm sorry for saying

nasty things about you. I'm sorry. Okay, I'll say it again. I'm sorry. And he's like, well, thank you.

She goes, because I can apologize for that. And there's no but after it. Do you see that?

And well, Vanita, you seemed really hurt by Sally kind of choosing Craig over your friendship.

And so I was like, that never happened though. I never chose Craig over my friendship. I chose

a penis. He was a penis. The penis was on Craig, Sally. How am I supposed to know that?

How why did it become an either war for you though? No, no, I don't think it ever became an either

war. I just think my emotions were so heightened because I understand now watching it back how

aggressive it came across. And for that, I'm going to apologize to you, Sally, for coming across

so aggressive. I think it was more so, Sally, Sally and I are best friends. And I know that Sally

just wants, you know, in what she wants. And in my head, I was just like, okay, let me just make

sure I'm steering her in the right direction and helping her as her friend. And Craig is not her

end game. Like just say, Craig is not good for Sally. She was going to take advantage of her

and manipulate her. And I was trying to warn her. And she just didn't care what I had to say.

Well, even more than that, I think if she was really being honest, she'd say, I was pissed

because this man is being a shit head to me. And he's refusing to speak to me. And I feel like

he's icing me out of the group. And you don't even care as long as you can date him.

Because that's what it was. She wasn't like Craig's a bad person because blah, blah, blah.

She seemed like Craig because of what Craig, how Craig was reacting to her. And I would be

hurt too. You know, it's like, why are you going to go date my friend? But she doesn't say it,

you know, again, sorry. And you know, and the perfect chance to say, and I told you so.

Honestly, I think she shows that I told you so. She should have said, and you know what I'm

feeling because the same thing happened to you with Charlie. And you tried to warn Charlie,

and you saw how you how you felt hurt when Charlie went. And now you know how I felt.

Like that's all she had to say. It would have been so vindicating.

Yeah. And I just want to acknowledge that you know what I'm sitting here saying, well,

you should have said this and you should have done that. I do understand that it's also

different being the only black person on the show. And that if you do say something and you do

argue that they can, you know, use that against you and say, well, you you're being aggressive

or you're being this or, you know, whatever. So I get that it's a, it's a, it's a,

but we're not asking it to recommend it. You know what I mean? I get that that's that that

that would be rough. That said, I still think like it's like you have, I think she does a very

good job of standing up for herself, like how she just stood up to Craig. I thought that was

pretty good. It's just she has, it's more of a problem of like getting her actual feelings

across. It's like she's trying to say things to just make it better. It's just standing by this

is how I felt. You hurt my feelings because that, you know, that guy doesn't like me. And you know,

I'm really uncomfortable. And then you're coming around me talking about how much you love the

guy. Like how am I supposed to fucking feel about it? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's that it's not that

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So Vanita is saying that she made Sally Cry and Sally's like, well, it made me feel like

shit because we have a very real friendship and I feel like things have shifted and you haven't

really wanted to be in pictures with me and you don't want you don't want me to post with you

and I feel like you're honestly sometimes ashamed to call me a friend and it makes me sad.

Almost as sad as it would make me if I didn't get to see Austin's dick tonight.

And I was like, damn. So Sally goes, yeah, you know, like when fans and fans around, they're like,

hey, can we take a picture together and then you're like, we can't be seen together. I mean, that

just hurts my feelings, which that is what the hell. Oh my God. Vanita does that. I cracked

that. Yeah. And then Venus like, yeah, because on the back end of that, I'm getting called stupid

for having your back and like going and standing up for you and then you then turn around and play

me like a fool and a friendship game. And so I was like, but when did I play you? I only played

with Austin's penis. And Venus like, well, watching it back should explain it enough. See, that's,

I hate that response. I hate that. Watching it back should explain it enough. That's not

enough. Vanita, we're out of reunion. Say explicitly what it is. Which like, well, Vanita,

you're trashin' me the entire fight and show. I mean, I've said one thing on my green screen calling

you in mature. Well, what specifically from the show Vanita are you seeing? And she goes, well,

I wouldn't say show really. I would say screenshots I get from people and comments and DMs.

Okay, you just said you don't read Reddit or pay attention to any of this stuff. And I know

this isn't that bad, but it's the same thing. And she's like this, saying this type of friendship

you have, this is the type of person you want to be with. And she's like, but who are these people?

They're not your friends if they're doing that. So Vanita is basically saying it's not publicly,

like, I'll be your friend, but like the public doesn't like that I'm your friend. So I'm not

going to take pictures with you. I mean, that's not great either. That's not good at all. When

I was like, oh, this is a losing argument. And like all of Vanita's strong points before this

are going to get thrown out the window because everyone's just going to focus on this, you know,

like that that she's essentially cowtowing to the public, which also then gives greater credence

to Craig and his issues. Vanita on the podcast. So yeah, so she's like, well, I'm sorry.

I'm so is like, I thought it was cowtowing probably is cowtowing. I'm when I said it, I was like,

that didn't sound right. Well, I'm curious because you're like, no, you would know more than me.

It's spelled cowtowing, but I think it's cowtowing. I actually do think it's why I need to know now.

How do you pronounce cowtowing? Okay. It says cowtow rhymes with cowtowing. Yeah,

cow. Okay. Cowtowing. Thank you for correcting me because as soon as I said it, I was like,

this doesn't seem right. Well, Vanita, myself, if it was wrong, because I say that all the time,

I love that saying. I'm not going to count you. I'm not going to count out you.

But then when you said cowtow, I was like, oh, I like that. I like towing a cow. I'm not going

to toe your cow. I start a wonder where did that come from. Yeah. Well, what's it going to take

to cow toe YouTube back? Okay. Because it's actually, it seems to me that you really miss each

other and I base it off of pretty much nothing. I just want to put a little ribbon on this

on the segment so we can talk to Craig again. So it doesn't seem too deep what you guys are

going through. So I don't know, like, can you guys like, I don't know, like maybe you shouldn't,

Vanita, you shouldn't be caring about what the viewers are saying. It seems like you're too smart

for that, right? Come on. Let's fix this. She's like, well, you know, look, I mean, we all fall

in that trap sometimes. And I mean, am I going to cry? Am I going to cry right now? I'm like,

I have a great answer. Well, my makeup is too good for this. And I said, yeah, you are hot.

Yeah, I'm hot. You know, the thing that got to me the most, I'm like, no offense to anybody

on this couch, but I did not open myself up in any way to anyone else the way I did to Sally.

Oh, God, I'm crying. I'm crying now. I'm like, oh, that's not okay. Because you are

you are. It's okay. Go ahead and cry. Go ahead and cry. Have I told you? I miss you a lot.

I miss you. I miss Andy's children a lot too. So that hurt my feelings. And you know, it's just,

I, I get even talk right now. Anyway, Andy's like, okay, you're good. You're good. It's not

that deep. Okay. Well, it is that deep because you're crying. Massens like, because it's a

genuine friendship. Yeah, I just, I miss that. Like, I hate that we have all this stupid squabble over

nothing. Well, I will say this is the first time in Southern charm history that every single one

of us are genuine friends. We all hang out outside of filming stuff. Yeah, get that vibe. I get the

way that you're all screaming. Fuck you. Craig, I'm totally good that vibe. Madison's like, well,

we were like, you know, I miss you. I haven't seen you in five days in a row. You know,

everyone's emotions are involved in this, Andy. Okay, everyone's even breaths. Let's get bread on

the phone. So he says, hey, break, you found any emotions? He's like, yeah. Okay. Thank you. It

was good. Look at him cry. I was so sad. He's like a regular Mariah Carey over there with his

emotions. So Venita's like, there was a moment where I literally thought I was dying and I called

Sally and Sally was at my house in six minutes and mind you, she lives 15 minutes away from me.

Sally's like, I literally the first person I see when I wake up from my operation is Venita smiling

in my face. All right. Well, Austin and Craig take some fucking nuts because that's how you

need to man the friendship. You're super fucking bad as that was a therapy session. No, it wasn't.

It's not a therapy session unless you ask Alexa something. Anyway, we'll talk to them in six more

years of doing this and see how they handle it. Okay. And then maybe we'll take lessons because we

do need lessons. And you know, he's like smiley charming Craig. He's like, remember me? Yeah. Okay,

we got past the rough Craig time, right guys? Okay. I'm just a sweet guy. I'm just like Craig's

lapels were driving me nuts. Did they drive you nuts? The lapels on his jacket were had this like pointy

tips. He's pointy tips in the corner. And the thing is that the weight when he'd sit in a certain

way, they would like rise above his shoulders. So he had these like little points that were coming

up out from out of his blazer. And I was going nuts with them. 20 tips. I didn't notice his

and drove me nuts. I wanted to acknowledge that or anyone else who saw it and was going crazy

games to be the best pointy tips. Yeah. So now it's Craig's hot tub. Okay. It's Sally in love with

Craig. She wanted to be his number one chick, but that relationship ultimately never hatched.

When Sally realized she wasn't first in the packing order, she wasn't even a side of honey mustard

for chicken nuggets. So we see the chickens. And Andy's like, Sally, what was it about Craig?

And she's like, oh, it was strictly his looks. And Madison's like, yeah, you're just a hot

piece of acid. And she's like, oh gosh, he's a show pony. He's a piece of meat. I mean like

to me, I serve my cats. I'm a cat. It's got that piece of meat.

All right, Craig, was there ever any serious interest in Sally? I mean, honestly,

it was just like, it's weird to say it, but like, I just saw you as a sister.

And then, yeah, you know, that's that's okay in certain states.

All right, well, let's talk about the set, the tech Sally sent after the first hot to party.

Sally wrote, that was fun. You responded. Yeah, it was Sally wrote. I should have stayed.

You responded. You could have if you wanted. I got a boner. Sorry, that was my text.

So scandalous. Now, I would kind of interpret that text as like I could have slept with Craig

Conifer last night. You said that you were just being nice, but what did you mean by that?

Well, I was just being like, well, she's gone. And she was like, I should have stayed. And I was

like, yeah, you could always stay like, and we could have sex if you want. And I guess it

shouldn't have sent it because like, maybe my judgment was like, not right or whatever.

Yeah, kind of has a double meaning. It means two things when you say, we come over and let's

fuck, you know, it's sort of like a single meaning actually. Yeah, I would, I just meant like,

let's hang out. When I say like, we should like have sex. It's just like, let's like, you know,

sit and watch like this and lot together, you know? Yeah, I mean, if I were you, I would have thought,

damn, I should have stayed. Well, Craig, you also said that during the hot tub get together,

there's no one even kissed. Well, so there was like a night that Sally and Cory had gone off

somewhere. And like Charlie and I showed my, I showed my show, so I showed my sewing room to

Charlie. Do you remember Charlie? She goes, yeah. And she's like, you're sewing dungeon.

Gosh. And I basically was like, I like, I went to kiss her. Charlie goes, yeah, you said,

you can kiss me right now if you want. And I said, I don't want to.

Craig said that to Charlie. You can kiss me if you want. He's such a prize. Yeah, he's such a prize.

Um, he's like, I don't remember. And she goes, yeah, you said, you can kiss me if you want.

And I was like, um, I'm okay. Who wouldn't the right thing to be say, wouldn't the right thing to

just say, say, can I kiss you? Craig goes, yeah, who knows, my, my moves aren't great.

When there's like, you have permission. You have my permission to kiss me. Thank you very much.

By the way, I was really upset that there was not really a line of questioning about those damn

chickens. Like, why didn't Andy ask Sally, what was, why did she get chickens for a man?

Like, that still is crazy to me. Sally is so beyond help at this point. I mean,

he doesn't even care. Um, so I think they're just, you know, what are you gonna do? You know,

so he asks about, um, he says, you know, over the years, if we've talked about you've dating

girls, as we talk about in relationship to Austin or chef's game, you know, you do seem like

the three of them to be the most kind of chase out of everybody. And he goes, yeah, well, I wouldn't

just hook up with someone unless I like them. Like, I'd rather just go home by myself and do myself.

They'll do yourself. Oh, shake hands with Ben Franklin by herself.

I can't take up for a masturbator. Okay. And Sally is like, well, he just stands in front of the

mirror and looks at himself. I would too. Wouldn't you? He is hot. Woohoo. Wait, is that a train coming

down the track? Cause here's when I hear woohoo. Sally, you talked about wanting babies, but you

ended up with chickens. The viewers had a lot to say about the chickens. Bravo lover on Twitter

said Sally buying chickens to impress Craig. Oh, man, show of hands. Who thought buying chickens

was to attract Craig. So awesome raises raises raises his hand. Sally's like, what the fuck?

I mean, we talked about it. You know, yeah, but I watched it. I mean, watch it. I'll watch it too.

You got it for Craig and Madison. Cause I just thought it was stupid, stupid thing to do. Yeah,

well, you know, it looked like we're raising chickens together. That's what it looks like. You

were thinking. Well, okay. But no one saw the conversation about the chickens. They cut that.

That would have that would have made me look innocent. Y'all cut it.

Well, instead of asking a follow up question about this, I'm going to ask you this. You know,

you kind of went after both Craig and Austin this season. I wonder if you learned anything more

about what you're looking for in a man as a result. Sorry, just laughing at the concept of you

learning a lesson. Well, actually, no, I wouldn't say that. I mean, Austin have a really good

foundation like friendship, you know, and I'm not saying anything's ever going to happen there.

Okay. But genuinely, I think that Austin's just such a good guy. He's going to make a great husband

to great dad. I can't wait to get pregnant with his babies. Woohoo. Can't wait to raise him.

Yeah, Sally is also going to make a great mom, despite the fact that she has a very,

very high body count, huge body count. He is going to make an amazing loose mom.

Those baby bees will literally pop right out of her.

Gross, Sally. God is, I think Sally, you know, she doesn't seem like she has a bad bone in her body,

but God, what a ding dong. My God. So, um, Andy is like, well, he's going to make a great

father your children and Craig's like, yeah, we're going to make fun dads. I'll tell you that.

Well, you are about to age to fuck out of it. You better get on it.

Shut up. Now everyone's getting their hair done. And Andy's like, welcome back this season.

We were joined by an Arkansas named Charlie and Wittner a well-read attorney or what Craig would

call a lawyer and a story reader. Ha, get it. So, Wittner, here's your one question you'll be asked.

What surprised you most about your first season? Um, the deums were probably that's great. Okay.

Now let's move right on to Charlie. I actually love this because he's like, it's nothing to do

with the show. It's all the chances he gets to get laid in the deums. That's why that's why

the man on this show suck because I have every chance in the world. And that's why you will probably

suck next year. Wittner, you're second year. Nobody gets out unscathed. So he says he got an

unsolicited DM from someone sending him most like all these sexual offers. And then after

sending an explicit offer sent three voice memos lecturing him about not becoming a fuckboy.

And he's like a mixed messaging. Okay. Well, your mom got a lot of love this season. Well, you know,

thank you. She is an anarchist and she is currently penning her manifesto for the rebellion in one

of our states and France. So keep an eye out for that. She's now an anarchist with about 37

dicks from our DMs. Andy. So those DMs are crazy.

All right. Well, we got a lot of comments about your literary theme birthday party.

Chef fans want to know why didn't you tell Craig that Rufio is not in the book, Peter Pan.

He's only in the movie and she's like, gosh, well, I wasn't really that into Peter Pan. And uh,

uh, you know, if this were last different season, I would say because it's so fun to watch

Craig Phil gosh. Chip only had eyes for me because I was dressed like shit. So that's why.

Craig's like, yeah, it was a compliment. I didn't practice my long-winded speech.

It was good putting some wooden teeth called it today. Well, Charlie, you came in as the new girl

and everyone had eyes on you. With that overwhelming, she's like, uh, you know, she's shaking.

Yeah. Well, you know, I think this group in general is just like overwhelming. And like,

I love y'all, but like everything you do, like being under a microscope, it's just, I just,

I just, I feel like I knew that coming into it, but god. Sally, you're the one who brought Charlie

into the group. Did you ever suspect that you would be kind of circling the same guy? Not really,

but what, you know, did you pick up any bodies between them and your group hot tubs? No. Oh, no.

Did you think she was downplaying her interests? One thousand percent. And I definitely like,

all of us would be going to dinner all the time and like, we go to dinners, we go out,

and then y'all started texting outside of the cult, which I didn't know happened.

Y'all are in a cult. Chase. Yeah, you guys are a cult. Yeah. It was. It was. It is.

All to the hot tub. Yeah, it was secretive. So I'm not knowing, you know, I'm in the dark on all

of this. And I have no idea that they're texting. I got no idea that they're facetime and all

the time. And that's where my frustration lies. It's like, I don't think you were truthful from

the get go of your interest in Craig. It's like, well, because everyone wanted me to be like,

yes, I like Craig. And I'm like, I don't know him yet. Like, can I just get to know him? Like,

how do I even know if I like him if I don't secretly get to know him? Charlie, did you think Sally

was trying to ruin your relationship with Craig? Because we all agree the answer is yes. And she's

like, well, at times it did feel like that. And I knew like subconsciously, you had something to say

about it all the time, sort of like how I'd come home. And there'd just be all these bottles of

you who all over my apartment where those come from. Yeah, but you also didn't want to talk about it

because you wanted it to be secret. Well, it's not that I wanted it to be secret. It's just like,

I wanted to form my own opinion about it, you know, and I couldn't really do that with you in

a hot tub naming imaginary chickens that you were going to raise together one day. Like it was hard.

It was hard from Sally. At what point are you just going to accept the fact that you were

fucking annoying about Craig. And she was interested. And she just didn't want to bring up Craig

around you. And because every time she brought up Craig, you were like a negative Nancy about it.

And she just wanted to have a little fuck buddy for the summer. You put down flags and everybody's

yard. And then, you know, claimed that everybody's walking on your yard when they're just trying

to exercise it might you don't own the whole neighborhood. Yes, I was just trying to do my

nightly yard exercises. And that's my yard fair. I saw that yard first. I put my flag there.

It's not PM. Why are you exercising on my yard? Yeah, but like we've been we've done

friendly. We don't do friendship that way. You know, like it's like there's not a night where we

would go out and if she's got a guy's number, she'd call me and she'd tell me about that number.

And then I try to guess the numbers and she wouldn't really tell me until I wait for her to go to bed

and I'd use facial recognition on her phone. I'd get the number and I'd text the guy.

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