3595 - Now or Never for Netanyahu and Trump w/ Jeet Heer & Ben Palmer

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on today's majority report welcome ladies and gentlemen it is casual friday

casual friday and i i suspect

i says i'm a big one of course uh... i suspect this is going to be the

final friday of the year

where i am wearing a long sleeve uh... casual friday shirt i think that the

first week of march

making that kind of declarative statement is almost reckless well i'm in charge

of it so i can't live in the polly market it's uh...

mad found out it's bad

well i mean he's trying to

all uh... you know you're trying to throw people off the scent because obviously

you control the weather

so when you can place a bet on it's still being called

next week

now i know it control the weather but i do control what uh...

is a joke about antisemitism okay

oh oh oh sorry i didn't catch on that arcane

yeah

you really went uh... round it was a long way to get i was uh... a little uncomfortable

as i said it so i didn't put my full chest behind it

but i tried uh... i uh... i'm looking forward to the show today because i was

saying before i usually do when i do my hot yoga which i've been really on

this year and it relaxes me it comes my heart rate i usually do it in the

afternoon i did it this morning before the show so i'm in a great mood

and it's about to get ruined as we talk about the war crimes i wouldn't do

that yeah i wouldn't do it that way

time for my heart rate to raise

and this coming after uh... uh... i made a huge demand for more light bulbs in the

office things are really a light bulb one out and

yeah i might be we had to have a meeting about it

you might need a fifteen bucks for a three pack of bulbs or is that going to be

all right managing egos over here ever ever since Obama outlawed incandescent

light bulb it's been a problem small businesses

it's a real bird non-small business show this red tape about the light bulbs

all right uh... let's get into this uh...

steve miller has crawled out of his spider hole now that he got the christie

gnome fired for uh...

well somebody had to pay uh... for how badly things have been going on the

dhs front and uh...

they decided it would be christie gnome

but uh... steve miller uh... now it's safe for him to come out of his bunker

and uh... uh... he was on fox news

trying to sell this military campaign which uh... i will talk to jade here about

this um... it's a war i mean uh... we are carpet bombing uh... terran we have a

given warning uh... warning apparently uh... to the city of uh... uh...

coons is it um... where the uh...

the uh... aranian guard is uh... stationed and it's also i think a fairly uh...

religious city and there is a uh... some type of uh... target there apparently

um... uh... we're going to be talking more uh... with jeet about this but

they

the republicans or i should say the trump administration and and really i mean

lindsay gram was doing this yesterday as well or two days ago

they are um...

they are headed to their sort of like uh...

their uh... last stand in many respects

they're having to go back to the basics in selling this war um...

they don't seem to be able to find any justification for why we're doing it

uh... but they're relying on some of their greatest hits

uh... here is steven miller explaining

that um...

we needed to have this war so we could show how

not woke our militaries uh...

weapons but what you're seeing right now shan is a military under president

trump's leadership that's not fighting politically correct that isn't fighting

with its hands tied behind its back one of the reasons i fear shan

that some people in this country lost faith in the military and the capacity to

use that military to defend us is because we had a woke

pentagon because we had a military who at the very highest levels not the war

fighters was forced to fight a less than full fight what you're seeing now shan

um...

i mean this is uh... in many respects you could have heard a george w bush

saying this or dick chainy saying this about uh... our prison guards

in uh... in uh... afghanistan

uh... or in iraq i mean this is uh... yes or guantanamo for that matter

uh... you know we're no longer doing this woke

non-torcher thing uh... steven miller in high school was uh... recorded

speaking about how torture is like a beautiful display of the uh... human

spirit celebration of life because otherwise you'd kill people um... and we're

going to play peat hexeth in just a second but hexeth uh... made his name in

republican circles by defending war criminals in saying that their

charges should be overturned after they committed massacres in iraq

so there this is the ideological consistency here of this administration is

abject cruelty to immigrants and war crimes against people in the middle east and

i guess beyond

yeah uh... and uh... in and hexeth is also going to make this clear

nuremberg was uh... to politically correct and to woke um...

the janeva conventions those are for ladies right uh... uh...

real men uh... don't follow the janeva conventions who would be saying that at

nuremberg

the nazis i guess so well at least we're not asking about pronouns

before we kill children i guess it you know it doesn't matter that they were

girls the hundred sixty plus that we killed that's why it's not woke anymore

we should also say that uh... we uh... blew up a boat

that was coming back from uh... a uh... an invite that they had from the

government of india an erronean boat that uh... was there uh... doing uh...

some type of exercise that the u.s. was going to participate it

it's a training exercise and uh...

the uh... not only do we blow up the boat

but uh... we

failed uh... i read some uh... twitter thread where somebody was looking on the

last time that that something like this happened with a submarine

and it has been a while but they stumbled across that the nazis

and the japanese would rescue uh...

people in the water now we've seen uh... our military

fire upon people in the caribbean

who uh... didn't uh... die when uh... their boat was blown up uh... but we're

uh... we're no longer uh... those uh...

nambi panties here's pete haggseth defense for forces

and we have no shortage of authorities the abril knows we have clear

objectives with maximum authorities on the battlefield

the dumb politically correct wars at the past

were the opposite of what we're doing here they had vague objectives

with restrictive mental most rules of engagement i i i remember i mean i'm

more than a reason that uh... while i was too young to really be fully

conscious of what was happening during the Vietnam just remember how a nambi

pambi we were with that uh... uh... napalm

and uh... and the rules of engagement and uh... uh... there and that worked

out quite well for us as you know the zippo squas just lighting villages on

fire and every time he looks down pete haggseth writes all of the speeches

through chat gbt it seems to be the that case um... i yeah the speaking of the

Vietnam i saw some comparisons of the bombing of that school to the myline

massacre and uh... so i guess and was it woke when we were uh... uh... torturing

of people in abu gray but i don't understand what he's refer well i guess he

would say that he would say that what's that you pointed out to me i asked that same

question sam and he said it was woke because one of the torturers was a lady

yeah i mean we've been letting uh... we uh... we don't like him i would be a good

point uh... lindy english they would have gotten the information out of them

and she wasn't so emotional the point being it's like uh... you you know you've

got a what you want the most expert torturer not having this thing where you

got to have quotas for women also to be torturers there uh... continue

the past were the opposite of what we're doing here they had vague objectives

with restrictive

mental must rules of engagement no more

our authorities his authorities sent comms com

authorities through the president and myself are maxed out

our capabilities are overwhelming and gathering still

as are those of our israeli partners

our munitions are full up

and our will is

iron clad which means our timeline

is ours and ours alone to control

as long as it takes to ensure the united states of america achieves these

objectives and as we flow more forces and as we flow more capabilities

and as our munitions

as we're flying over the top

have even more devastating effects we set the tempo we set the timeline led by

the commander on the ground our ear to is to the ground to listen to admiral

Cooper what he needs and what he needs he will

get sure what you're built for this fight oh i'm sorry i thought that was over

but um... just wrap it up we can finish the fun what are the objectives here

well also uh... still clear stock their line he's lying about the capacity of

the united states we know that we are running low on munitions we're running

low on interceptors were running low on missiles because we've overextended

our supply and it but because of the war in Ukraine so he's projecting a

strength that is not matching the reality on the ground we know that some

iranian missiles have um broken through the iron dome we don't know the the

the full impact of it but what i think aron is also doing and this is perhaps

a strategy that is like born out by the fact that they know that it's disproportionate

the amount of air power and firepower the u.s and israel have verse them

is they are bombing and targeting i think these golf states that are in the pocket of the u.s

that are working closely with the united states and with trump and having these crony corrupt

deals because they know that they can penetrate more and that puts pressure on the united states too

given our relationship with with uh... these other golf states so it's horrible that other people

that you know the people are going to bear the brunt of that but um that's aron's best bet it seems

like this bluff of we can fight this forever and our supplies are infinite you know why you asking

congress for more money for the pentagon exactly the fifty billion supplemental what's that for then

will um and and just one more point on on this uh before we we move on this is him uh changing

the rules of engagement to say that what america really needs to do is bomb more schools with little

girls in it this is him saying that before we were too woke caring about perhaps children

but with our joint war with israel that we're very happy to drag uh america into despite the fact

that like seventy to eighty percent of the public here in the united states as opposed to it

we're gonna actually also adopt israeli rules of engagement it seems like targeting schools targeting

hospitals carpet bombing urban centers it's the united states of israel it's israel's an outgrowth

of the united states but the reality is that our outposts in the middle east the laboratory that

palestine has been means that like the u.s. has now put on the gas using the sadistic genocidal

tactics of the israelis in our warfare and hegseth is proud of it uh he keeps talking about our

objectives are clear i mean uh it's it's on i i i i don't know that anybody could articulate we

they can't articulate consistent um acknowledgement that we're actually engage in war yeah never mind

the objectives all right just continue and let's let him uh wrap up here whiskey p

needs and what he needs he will get we are built for this fight and we are in it to win it

and we have the right commander in the lead so i'll now all right there you go

hey chat can you write me a speech in the tone of a fifth grader who loves Metallica

and i am in it to win it um i i will we'll talk more with jeet about the implications of of all this um

in a moment but i the um you know i think in the early days of this uh there was a question is

like are we going to be able to see something where uh they do this for a couple of days and that

that's it i it is becoming increasingly clear that they are having to make up as they go along

what the objectives are and it's almost as if like they're just sliding down a uh a rabbit hole

of Donald Trump you know uh he now he wants to appoint the leader of the country uh we'll see

where that goes you let loose the dogs of orange just put them on the chain again um in a moment

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here national fairs correspondent at the nation and host of the time of monsters podcast jeet well

we seem to be in I guess the next of quagmires and you wrote a piece let's let's get right into

one of the things that's been very difficult to figure out is what is the US agenda in Iran

it may be easier to point out what is the Israeli agenda in regards to Iran and maybe that's

the place to start and then we can sort of like build out from there because this is you know I

don't think there there's any controversy to a the notion that this has been

Netanyahu's agenda for decades well Netanyahu himself has said this is something he's

wondered for 40 years and Donald Trump is the first American president in those 40 years to you

know I listened to him so so what that basically means is that like Reagan Bush senior and

interestingly Bush junior you know all of this request to like having a war with Iran

and they all said no like this is a war which even George Bush junior thought was a bad idea

yeah and we know that at least the initial responses from our secretary of state and the

speaker of the house were that well we went in because Israel was going to go in and we knew

that we would get attacked when Israel went in so we went in to preempt those attacks or to attack

first leaving that aside for a moment it's a very weird sort of like argument although I mean part

of me we can go to this later but like I almost have to look at like dark suspicious that

basically what they're doing is the mere timer and wealth arguments but saying like it's a good thing

like you know yeah he's still happy he's running America and we're okay with that but you know

with maybe like an understanding that not all of their coalition is and that this is also going

to be a convenient scapegoat your things go wrong you know like well we want this yeah it is

uh nennia who is extremely evil but not an idiot it's been since united was 2010 okay dark money

explosion since then apex lobby has increased in its significance power the israel lobby has

uh now the senate minority leader in Chuck Schumer is a Zionist Chuck Schumer became uh the

leader of the democrats in the senate in 2016 after the Iran deal with Obama they like

you know uh uh escalated their efforts in congress you have Hakeem Jeffries who's beholden

to the israel lobby and then of course the entire republican party and then at the same time so

like the the financial power here domestically corrupting our congress is there and that might

be at a fever pitch given what we're seeing in the democratic primary so nennia who sees that

he sees that republicans look like they're in bad shape in the midterm so there's a basically

nine-month period where this war can happen um and that so like he's effectively neutered the

opposition party in this country on that front or corrupted them and um he also it has a really

good read on Trump's emotionality and saw that he was essentially riding this high from venezuela

where they considered that operation a total success and was able to sell him on him being able

to do the same thing in Iran which we know is entirely different so those are i think like the

three influences of factors like the the the the apac law now being a political liability but

them still having a lot of money invested in the current members of congress the midterms coming

up which could change that dynamic and then also trumps psychology which nennia who has been very

effective at appealing to yeah i i i mean i i would add to that like the sort of the sense of the

the clock is running out i mean like you know uh democratic party voters um you know like

apac did that to you win a few victories but it was like really close like they you know they got a

49-48 victory from someone who had to disavow apac um uh in in a recent primary and they've been

losing primaries uh and you know on the democratic side and on the republican side i'll just say

like the three most popular figures on social media um among young republicans are nikslandes

katasoan and uh tucker karlson right like and you know if you're um uh Benjamin Netanyahu you know

who was he a group in america you know like you know speaks like perfect american english because he's

like uh has his background like he knows which way the wind is blowing this is his last chance

to like maximize out and he's um uh but but i mean just a sort of flesh out what hit the actual you know

he's wanted a us israel war against aran for a long time uh because um uh on the one end they see

aran as a kind of major adversary uh uh in the region uh but also you know the broader plan uh

which we're seeing enacted throughout the region um uh is to sow chaos and disorder the the idea is

that you know um israel will never be loved in the region uh israel founded on ethnic cleansing uh

you know has committed horrific crimes like for decades uh it will never win popular support

so the only way israel can survive in the region is if all possible adversaries are like weak

fragmented chaotic and so the model is libya and syria to do that to uh aran um and they

and lebanon and lebanon yeah and lebanon yeah and also to build out a greater israel um uh project

with you know like even the liberal um Zionist club is about uh to say you know uh as michael

came he did that you know it's not the river to the sea it's the nile to the Euphrates uh you

know this is what the ideal israel is and they're not they know they can't get it all at once

but they can certainly expand into syria they can expand into lebanon um so uh so this is really like

almost a desperate bid to uh and you know i mean the analogy i would use is like a partite south

africa in the uh and white rodizia in the 70s and 80s where those countries were constantly

launching aggressive wars against their neighbors knowing the clock was running out uh thinking that

you know this is the one way that they can gain security and so i mean you write this piece trump

and netanyahu want to turn iran into a failed state um let i mean let's let's play this i mean i

you know uh god i don't know that doll trump has any visions no i know i know i know i know i

would say he doesn't uh have any ideas but he's like uh can be convinced by the last person he

talked to uh and i think it seems to be very sincere that he wants to choose who the leader is

and that's the you know the ven is well a model and i i don't think he fully grasps what he's uh

what he's talking about but netanyahu he was just the supreme leader uh uh of a run which is like

a religious position uh this is like saying like you know i i want to have a spot on the uh the

council of cardinals you on the next one i want to be the one who's i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna

operate the smoke machine yeah i'm gonna be the one who chooses um yeah yeah so so but but but okay

so in terms of terms of terms of what trump is actually thinking i mean we're gonna agree that like

netanyahu does actually want to fail state i think trump is getting a bunch of different noises

and in some ways i actually think that there's a parallel which i think people haven't drawn out

but i think the way that um with george bush juneer um which i think he was sold on the iraq war

because rumsfeld and chaney quite cleverly did the sort of quick invasion of afghanistan um which uh

you know cia had been prepared for and uh which was very easy uh to have like a quick um military

victory especially since they basically allowed the uh been allowed into like runaway uh and escape

with the pakistan so there's gonna be no fighting and then bush juneer saw oh wow this is you know war

is easy everybody said war is hard you know like uh everybody's there's parades everyone's

sharing me and so he's a sold on the war in uh iraq and i think something similar has happened

here where i think that the people around trump did the venezuela campaign quite cleverly like

you know taking this kind of decrepit regime uh where it seems like they had a lot of cia

assets in the government uh who were like willing to sell up maduro um and and trump got his quick

victory and i think like you know if you're looking at what trump is to the extent that we can

speculate what's going on in his mind um it does can see like he keeps going back to venezuela

he used to be like you know where am i going to find my radrigas who can like uh an aranian radrigas

who can like um take over for me and like it's it's like you know unfortunately he doesn't understand

and i don't know if the people around him understand but aran is a completely different society

it has actually had like you know this revolutionary regime uh which in the form of the um

irgc has a hundred and fifty thousand core members a party cadre uh which is very well integrated

throughout the society and a lot of people in aran that don't like the government don't like the

irgc but you're not a it's not a government that you can easily topple or you can easily like

you know find a sellout to take over and then like like i mean to go back to it like trump is

going to choose the next ayatola like is he going to like like you know become a ciaid uh go

through a religious training yes and then himself become um uh an ayatola to join the council of

advisors uh either that that's how you get to choose the next ayatola well the the the son

the ayatola son is already kind of in the pole position to take over and there's already all

of this grumbling among the iranian iranian diaspora that has like the u.s. government has trying

to has been trying to push to come in and take over like they're trying to Ahmed Chalavi this

and it's going to end the same way well let uh i i i think it i mean there's potential for it to be

in some respects worse um uh because all right so um you write about netna who wanting a failed state

and the idea being that it would but there would be some type of balkanization in iran but um

and the there would be low level conflicts maybe civil war there's an attempt

to unclear whether the cia sort of like planted the story that uh the Kurds were on board with

this and they were arming them with the idea that the iranians would strike the Kurds and then

the Kurds would get involved there is a report that 50 uh land cruisers were purchased um the

you know i guess for the revolution or the civil war i mean who knows but um you know we will

find out but the the the really sort of like a sort of dangerous part of this aside from obviously

the random killing for no apparent reason we are certainly under no threat is the the nature of

the iranian government is such that it is decentralized enough and it is unclear i don't know if we'll

ever know but there does feel like there is there has already been a plan that if things get to

level one this is what you do you start to strike uh these bases in these various um uh uh uh

you know countries uh in uh the gulf coast uh the excuse me the gulf uh uh countries um

but there's a level two and like a level three and at one point you start maybe uh i've

read people talking about dumping uh nuclear waste into the gulf which would uh in fact we got an

email from a listener who is in the um who is in uh uh uh the region who is a contractor who

has been you know at various places and just uh was giving us some uh notion of of you know

what our potential uh within three days uh he writes if there is a if they start dumping nuclear waste

into the gulf the desalination um uh plants that all of these gulf uh nations have

uh would be ruined and uh they'd have start having massive water shortages

yeah within days um and i mean start i mean walk us through some of what you understand could be

the implications of this yeah i mean around us you know it's a nation of 93 million people uh with

like you know like a hardened military that uh you know like in the 1980s you know went up against

Saddam Hussein and like um uh you know fought a real war and then in more recently in Iraq like

basically defeated the United States i mean it was like uh uh uh ranny and supported militias um uh uh

that were able to like get america uh uh to basically uh withdraw um so uh you know like this is

like a country that has you know like a real military and it is as you say decentralized it is not

it's like i mean the fantasy that trump and all these guys have is you you take out the leader you

take out mr. evo and you replace them with this is not a strong man government no this is this is a

a theocracy that also i should we should say the um the uh the the the the the iranian guard

is it has its own sort of like economy like they they have control of uh iran's industry

in a way that i don't know certainly is not certainly not the case in in in a Latin American country

i don't know where there's something that is analogous to that no no no i mean i i that this is

by one reason why you know the america military uh included in the days leading up to the war we're always

reluctant to go out because we don't actually know and as you said they can do a lot of uh uh

damage it can you know they've already basically stopped um oil from coming in um and also like

you know like the the underbelly the soft underbelly of the american war effort um uh are the gc's

uh see nations the Gulf um uh allies the u.s and you're talking about the um you know united

air of emerald q8 these are nations where like you know um a 10% of the population are citizens

90% are guest workers uh you know so so so um uh these are warrior nations right

lisa the the the top of the nations are led by these like um monarchs you know we're born

into the position who are like used to very cushy life love going to like european nightclubs

uh and also all these like um europeans uh who have come over for like tax havens as well as

people from uh sword aja where like you know basically indentured serums um i don't see the

societies of that sort are geared towards war and in fact what you're already seeing is a lot of

people fleeing right you're seeing like you know people paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to

get a divide because you don't go to the divide with the idea you know i'm going to be committed to

this nation and die for it you go to the divide because you like us less soft like serious life

we we we we so let me let me quote from this uh this email that i got um

americans are okay uh the thing that nobody talking about is that there's a huge difference

between all the gulf countries americans are looking them as one big muzzle in place it's not

like that in fact i was telling a friend in Dubai get the f out because i told him that the

shit goes down Dubai is effed this has to do with a security agreement the ua he has with israel

that's played out and he also writes that one thing that he saw that is different between what's

happened over the past couple of days and happened in the 12 day war was that he said um there

were a lot of drones being shut down a shot down he said then he said now uh the drones he said

there's um the uh drones are hitting all over the effing place in the region that means drones

are getting past our navy or we're not really trying to shoot them down i can't speak to that

but i was here last year and we were shooting down most of the drones before they got anywhere

near the jcc gcc uh that's the uh the the gulf countries uh commission uh i'd leave work and see

ton of contrails in fact in the sky when drones got taken out but the fact they're mostly firing drone

says they've got tons more stuff in pocket that's another thing that's not mentioned is their nuclear

plants and this is where he goes on to talk about they could just dump uh uh some of this nuclear waste

into the gulf yeah yeah absolutely absolutely i mean i mean i mean i mean that's an option uh

the uh decolonization as you mentioned uh what what uh is an option and like i think that uh

one is hearing a lot that uh from the uh gcc countries like yeah they're actually quite upset

that all the drones are getting through i think this is partially a function of the fact that

Iran as he got a test run um uh in the 12-day war last year and what we found in that war was

the longer the war progressed the better um iranians were getting at like getting their

missiles through and getting their drones through and this adds you what we found within the

Ukraine as well like unfortunately drones are um democratizing war they are actually like giving

an advantage um uh and there's um you know like the ability of america and it's to do and it's

allies to resist these things um is is not what we would like and also and this is going to um

affect the long-term coalition but you know the gcc countries feel like you know america's giving

all its protections to israel it's like using the uterus sectors to defend israel and that they are

bearing the brunt of this war so israel um launches war for itself um the gcc countries were not on

board with us um and that uh they are like you know suffering for a war that america and israel wanted

i had one uh one point to add to that we have i don't know what percentage but significant

30 percent less um state department officials yeah yeah and so the ability of this to be

communicated through channels uh that register the level of alarm and problems etc etc uh uh it's

not there they're you know like there's no there's no process in which to sort of communicate

what needs to be done uh for these countries and um the it really has a feel of like

they just went in and thought we're gonna wrap this up in a couple of days and it's not gonna be a

problem yeah i mean because trump had the venezuela model in his mind he had this idea that's

gonna be like a quick cat uh we'll take out the bad guy put in our own person and it's all

gonna go well and like you know like anyone uh and then depending on apparently told him like

no sir this is like a high-risk gamble uh because of all the things that could go wrong

uh in terms of like like the lack of uh personnel there i mean there's two aspects of this one is

the the us actually like put out an or uh you know um uh statement to say the americans in the

middle east in like 16 different countries you should get the hell out but they don't have the

resources to process like the visas or to help people and so like it like you know um uh they're

telling people like you know just take a bus go into each app maybe you can get an airplane from

there right like so there's a lot at least there's a lot of americans in the middle east like

your correspondent you know there's um uh at least a million people there like uh a lot of them

want to get out and that's a problem the the the other problem is like this this issue of like

knowledge um and there's actually a really good interview in the new love review by this a great

Iranian-american story in um evard abraham yin uh who um basically compared this to the cold war

like in the early days of the cold war because of McCarthyism you had a purge of the state department

of everyone who knew chinese uh so so you have like decades of american foreign policy uh

like people making china policy not knowing like how do you even like pop uh to the chinese not

knowing anything about chinese history and like basically blundering um uh into a series of

disastrous wars in aja uh something comparable it has happened now like you have like a purge

of the state department um and especially the sort of you know the right wing um uh

Zionist types they distress what they call the arabes uh that is to say people who understand the

uh arabic language and who have like some understanding of the history and are therefore like

you know like always telling you uh american presidents like don't do this this is actually

going to make the people in the region mad so those people have been purged uh and so you have

an administration that is really flying flying in the region and trump himself thinks he has a

handle on it because he has these you know friends in the region who are the um um um um uh

emorat i the you know the uh mbs the kings and whatnot uh but like that's a real thin slice of the

society and there's a lot you're gonna miss and you know in terms of like things that could go wrong

i mean um uh this is certainly like killing the itola has extenuated the sort of Sunni shia rift

and there's a place like baran like a majority of the population are shia right and you have a

Sunni minority uh monarchy that's ruling over them and what is one's one's seeing now is like you

know like when the bombs are hitting american bases there you're seeing you know crowds cheering

and the government there is like saying like you know like trying to like arrest people for cheering

it's a real tinder box i mean you really have created uh i mean in terms of all the things that

can go wrong it's not just what the Iranians have planned like there's a lot of things that could

go wrong that no one has planned for because no one because once you take a uh uh match you light it

and you throw it into like um that room full of dynamite who knows what's gonna happen

yeah and i'm curious jeet if you think and this is just my theory i was talking about this a

little earlier if the the is the Iranians understand that like they can get some missiles through

the iron dome and and we may not know the full extent as to what that damage is gonna be but they

could more um judiciously deploy drone attacks into the uh golf attack uh golf states which uh

you know has business relationships with the united states and tourism uh that is associated with

the west and now they're increasingly trying to diversify their economy by investing in sports

and tourism we can get more bank or damage for our buck but but but but but this is a way to inflict

damage on a western interests without having to use all of your firepower on israel and

yeah yeah i don't know how i don't know if trump if this is gonna but it's like the better bet to

impact because they have all these corrupt business relationships together yeah i i mean it turns

up like what can actually influence trump there's like three or four things uh and one one of the

unfortunately is congress which is we know is not gonna do anything uh but but the well i think

i was exactly right that like the business interest i mean that's where things are gonna hurt uh

you know one is already seeing like i thought like you know oil is gonna hit a hundred dollars

by early next week but it's like you know like it's uh yeah 86 now so i i feel like it could

come sooner than that and i we know there people in the white house on the political side who are

a bit worried about the oil prices but also the investment in the middle east like like you know

like trump himself has been totalling like the trillions of dollars that are coming in and in his

own family business like it's been getting like billions of dollars from like uh Saudi Arabia and uh

UAE and now the financial i don't know if you guys saw this but the financial times that are

i got the i got it right here uh official said three of the four big golf economies Saudi Arabia

UAE uh Kuwait and Qatar had jointly discussed the strains being put on their budget and economies

but they declined to name the states a number of golf countries have begun an internal review

to determine whether forced major clauses can be invoked in current contracts while also

reviewing current and future investment commitments in order to alleviate some of the anticipated

economic strain from the current war there's another aspect which is that's internal the other

is the external aspect there's a lot of Asian money that went into Dubai uh and uh UAE and like

into all the sort of data centers and stuff that they're building there and one is already seeing

like a lot of that money is like you know pulling back and going back to Singapore and Hong Kong

partially because they're also feeling a lot of stress uh as they might feel like they need to

uh uh uh uh uh bring some of that money home but i mean like this is like having like a huge

kind of ripple effect on that region um and you know like this like American economy especially

has um very integrated with this i mean like the whole you know paramount deal of you know

buying out Warner Brothers is like you know 20% of that financing is coming from the Middle East and

like if um uh i mean this is something that that i think will have like a real ripple effect um

with also like maybe a longer term ripple effect of like everyone like deciding like you know

like do we actually need the United States like like you know like you know like if you're like one

of the gcc countries you're basically looking at this is a war you do not want that you advise

against um which uh is real launched and trump went along with and you're suffering for that uh

what are you getting out of this alliance and if you're an Asian country like South Korea

like they're having to bring out like you know tech and intercepts from South Korea um uh

taking into the Middle East like you're thinking like what are we getting out of this American alliance

if you're Taiwan what do you you're thinking like you know like america's going to you know

there's supposed to pivot the Asia they've been promising for like 20 years that they're going

to pivot the Asia and they keep getting involved in these wars in the Middle East so you know i

think it's going to have like uh like long term i think the question everyone's going to ask is

like why are we aligned with the us the i mean there's a couple of things to note here though that

Asia gets a lot of it a lot of its specific types of oil from uh that region particularly because

that's where the refining capacity is um and so that's always been you know uh a big part of the

rub i think is uh the reason why we we uh invaded uh and and uh rock was i think largely a function

of making sure that we had control over the spigot that is provides maybe at least 20% of of

Asia's um uh heavy crude that gets refined etc etc um the other thing that's impacting the

United States and this is the other part that she seems to be weird to me um that maybe nobody's

telling trump this but we already have like it's going to severely affect our agriculture because

so much of like the nitrogen um is that we we need it you know for um uh for uh fertilizer uh comes

from that uh goes through that area and comes from that area um we're seeing uh those prices go up

we're going to see oil go up um i saw somebody uh tweet that well maybe this was a long term uh play

for trump to get the fed to drop interest rates more uh by by creating our economy but

yeah i mean this is not going to help with affordability um i mean there's no

trump care well that's the thing is that there is a feeling here where trump is like

almost feels like i mean honestly all of this though even netanyahu these are older people

of the same i feel like same generation they're going to be dead this time next year

senior and they're just like honestly like we've always wanted this 40 years of aron war i've

been working on the americans for this long like i'm going to be dead soon right isn't that what

this is i sort of feel like they like they like they somebody's out to ask you know that's uh

take take on the world even chuck shumer even chuck shumer in the way that he's like so supportive

of Zionism in spite of like it could it could end his tenure and will hopefully god i mean

i think i think he's gonna well he's got to know he said if he's a dead man walking he's doing

the same thing i don't my career's ending soon and this is what i believe in and i'm going to go

for it i mean that is what is the the boomers i'm sorry but they are like leading they're a death cult

these boomers are a death cult no actually yeah yeah yeah i actually i think put him uh his uh

disintegrated you crane was saying yeah yeah yeah yeah no i mean it's very grim uh i don't know

i mean like there's that aspect i think trump himself does i mean the fact that he got rid of

known christy like he likes to get good headlines he likes to be seen as a winner um

he liked the venezuela war because it was this you know splendid little war there's like like a great

pv great theater um you know like i think like if oil prices are up if people are crumbling um uh

if he's like giving uh complaints if their body bags if like you know like and you know who knows

what's i honestly i think they're probably um it turns out casualties like it's

somebody's gonna be disguised because they're gonna use special contractors and they're gonna use

CIA and those people don't like you know get counted as casualties but like you know like i think

that you know like if they are american deaths um uh and already i mean like you know like you know

the unemployment rate is already we're already kind of on the cusp of recession right yeah like i

feel like this is this is like the thing that could like push things over the edge and if you're

talking about war that's gonna extend you know now they're saying like you know they said the

person's gonna be like uh uh a week and out four weeks and the the pentagon itself is like

you know budgeting till like september right you know so you look at well a very serious war

going on like you know like at the midterms time like when people are actually gonna be voting

people are we voting most likely when they're still american uh uh when they're still fighting going

on in the release uh to bolster your point that we're on the cusp of a recession i had forgotten

about this until you just said it but there was a news item yahoo finance i'm reading from here

that peter teal sold two hundred and eighty million dollars worth of stock recently two million

shares um there's been some selling from really really wealthy billionaires and you got to wonder

if they know what's coming yeah well yeah no i mean i i think uh uh i mean even you know before

all this started like it was i mean the american stock markets went up but it hasn't been as up

as in europe and in asia and i think there's been a real reluctance to invest in the united states

so i don't know i mean like i i think it's a real gamble and i think even if the trump has a

little bit of the death cult in them but i think maybe he has less of that than exf or than

huckabee or than uh than uh than uh than a lot of other people like i actually think like you know

yeah i i don't i mean the one hope that we have is that like you know some of these business

partners um uh in the middle east will like you know say like trump you know like we want to buy

that those bitcoins from you uh but we can't you know like the war is going on too long

i i mean that's what i like in the back of my head and maybe it's just sort of aspirational

and and and deluded i keep thinking like somebody from uh ua is going to talk to somebody from

olman and they're just going to be like okay here's the deal we're going to tell uh the iranians will

announce that um they're gonna uh with trump's consultation they're you know they're going to

uh make the iatola son the new iatola and uh trump signs off on it and uh we're going to

wrap this thing up uh and that's basically it i mean i i otherwise it's he's been told that like

this is going to be easy where uh you know uh the three months out from basically controlling uh iran

i mean i'm sure that's what that no warning was telling and i mean so it really just depends on

uh how quickly uh the the the pain is communicated and his sensitivity i mean the i i want to touch

on the gnome thing because this is sort of like instructive or maybe this is the first firing

really i mean there's been one or two nominees pulled uh before uh but that was you know

okay it's um bovino was fired bovino was fired but this is the first cabinet secretary

who's who's been fired or had to resign or whatever it is and at this point in trump

1.0 we were on number like eight of the big cabinet names having gone

what what what is like was there that much was this firing of gnome as much about like

was it because he started to lose republicans in that in that hearing like you know

he had republican senators blocking and they were having a tough time uh selling it back to their

constituents like it appears like the politics worked a little bit here when they have not worked

in the past and i think part of it you know could be just like christie gnome just didn't know that

like you can't throw certain people into the bus um and and the wall street journals reporting

that he was upset about that two hundred million dollar ad buy that was this slush fund for her

friend now he doesn't care about the corruption piece he cared that it was too self-promotional

that's how the wall street i didn't get a piece of that which means that it was and we played it

yesterday she's featured quite prominently riding in a slow and slow motion with a cowboy hat

through the great planes as they talk about rounding up immigrants and she he doesn't appear

until like halfway through the ad a minute 17 mm-hmm yeah i'm sure that's what pissed him off

yeah i have to add like question like the budget of this as well because like you know people

complained about like um one battle after another you know costing a hundred and thirty million dollars

but you can get two one battle after another's for the cost of this like christie gnome thing like

let's that would be a much better use of money um uh the no i think i think yeah she became a

little bit too much of a main character which trump never likes but i i i think we should know

to add to you also under sell the politics of this i mean like um and and especially the fact

that the resistance in minnesota the fact that you know you had like large numbers of people that

like made it impossible for us to operate and we're like you know constantly creating like bad

television um and we're you know like you know like you have these images of um basically uh you know

white midwestern americans being killed uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh i think

that was what turned it around i think like politically it's very interesting and you know it's

could be instructive like that the one thing that defeated trump was actual mass organizing

largely outside of the democratic party and in some ways against the wishes of the democratic party

like uh you know like i don't think like humor and referees like the fact that the ice protesters were

anti-ice protesters were out there and in your face the way they were but they were the ones at one

i mean minnesota was trump stalingrad like this is like you know uh and and historically i mean i

hope that that's where it's going to be run um they could also turn out to be that taran is like

a second stalingrad you know like uh uh he you know like once he runs into the limits of his power

and realizes there are people he cannot defeat their people he cannot break

and you know like yeah i'm no fan of like the uh the Islamic Republic and like you know i would

hope for a democratic revolution in that country um as and throughout the Middle East but and in

israel but i have to say like trump thinks that he can defeat that nation and you know like he can't

i mean like like and there's you know in terms of everything that can go wrong like their whole

strategy and israel strategy is more the long let's get rid of the leaders and also bombing

from the air and there's two things that we know more the lawn doesn't work against the genuine

mass movement because you can always get another um uh person that rises up you know as far um um

um uh fricampton said you know you can kill a revolutionary but you can't kill a revolution uh

and the other aspect is the bombing which you know like robberpap as the great scholar of this

you know we had him on yesterday we had him on yesterday like it has never worked in terms of

getting regime change or getting a type of government that you want so it is just like the

trump is going to is in minnesota he ran into the limits of his power through his the resistance

of the american people and in iran he's going to run into the limits of his power let's hope uh

that he stops running at one point uh but we'll see jeede here at national ferris correspond at

the nation host of the time of monsters podcast uh thanks so much jeede always a pleasure uh we'll

see you soon but thanks to both he has a pleasure to see you guys though not a quick pleasure not

to talk about yes the circumstances could be a little better yeah thanks jeede appreciate it all right

folks we're going to take a uh quick break and when we come back ben paulmer he is a uh

comedian known online as paulmer trolls and you will find out why um largely i mean i think he's

mostly known for setting up a uh fake ice website and fielding phone calls the tip hotline

the tip hotline uh which has been really funny but we'll uh we'll take quick break and then

we'll bring ben on

you

We are back.

Sam Cedar. I'm a Vigland on the majority of Port. It is a pleasure to welcome to the program Ben Palmer known online as Palmer Trolls Ben welcome to the program. Why Palmer Trolls?

I guess that maybe one way to describe some of the things I do trolling I guess.

It started a while ago before I knew what trolling was I was doing that and then someone told me hey by the way you're trolling and I was like okay well maybe I should just embrace this then.

There you go what was it what how did you say well we should say like I mean the videos I have seen I've actually seen the presentation you're going to give us it's awesome.

But some of the videos that I've seen all center around the fake ice tip line that you put up there and people call in and then you call back and tell us about this it's really really funny and disturbing.

Yeah yeah there's been some disturbing calls people a lot of revenge deportation attempts you know like X is trying to get back at people.

But yeah they they think of some sort of legitimate person that can help them and so it doesn't take much to get them to talk and tell tell me why and where and who they want to get deported so there's been some interesting calls I think one of the most

egregious ones was the kindergarten teacher who looked into a five-year-old kindergarten student at her school and wanted to get that kid's parents deported just because she said they looked out of place.

Do you do do they leave them there their number and you call them back is that the way it works.

Yeah I also have a hotline too so the one I've seen that might be I don't know perhaps the most viral was the woman at what was the publics.

Oh yeah yeah yeah.

Who called and was reporting the woman who helped her find water to ice and you were like oh so she helped you find the water.

You were able to get the water and you still want her rounded up put in the van and then drove driven over the border and like she they start to feel bad as the call goes on a little bit but you don't break

characters so it's just it's brilliant so amazing stuff.

Yeah she's like you know I just didn't like that she spoke Spanish and her English wasn't great I was like but she did help you find the water right.

Oh yeah yeah she took me right to it.

So now we're just going to we're just going to throw her a van and take her across the border.

She's like whoa whoa whoa hold on I wasn't saying all that but that's what they're calling to do though that's what's going to happen.

I also enjoy that you're your supervisors called back and then you get reported sometimes for being a little bit sarcastic people after a while start to feel bad about it.

What do you want me can you give us like broad strokes like as to the demographics of people call you I guess I've heard more women than men on some level.

Yeah it's been a lot of women I've had my share of men you know plenty of white people but there's there's also been a handful of Indian people calling on other Indian people.

There's been Hispanic people that have called but yeah mostly white people you know like in most things the whites have the most of it.

Yeah yeah what before we get into this this sort of scam that you ran that really got pretty deep into it.

What other what other things have you done prior to the ice a tip line like what other.

Anna would you they're probably pranks you were the city of Atlanta right.

That's right yeah it started with pretending to be customer service representative on corporate Facebook pages.

You know like Walmart people were mad at Walmart whatever and then yeah when I was living in Atlanta Georgia I made the city of Atlanta on Facebook page and that one.

A lot of traction and then the actual city of Atlanta was like he needs to stop doing this he's using.

And then the news like reported it they put it on their screen and then the news was like do you have anything to say back and so.

I gave them a list of demands like I'll stop posting but I need I need these things to happen it was like all my traffic tickets are absolved.

Usually ride on the trolley and I got two dollars in cash did you get that no.

But it's not illegal right I mean is there a is there a like a statue against vague like sort of impersonating a city's website is that illegal.

Well you know you don't have to admit to anything if you think it's going to be kind of dance around the line.

It's a gray area yeah yeah that's yeah I like to explore gray areas.

Let's should be the name of my next comedy special action is gray areas.

No but you know I think with that it's like you know it's parody it's protected under parody I don't ever try to do anything maliciously I don't try to steal anyone's info.

Never try to scam anybody for money and you know the the end goal for me is always just jokes.

Let's talk about this because I can't remember what what the genesis was but you ended up becoming developing a fairly close relationship.

And Ted what is it yo oh right yeah this is just crazy to walk us through this or started up or fired up.

I'm just started up and just as a quick intro I'm going to do a bit about multi level marketing companies.

Pyramid schemes which there are a lot of those companies out there where nobody makes any money except if you're at the very top you end up making a lot of money.

And most people end up just losing money or just wasting their time.

But one of these companies is called Monat or Monet and they were getting in trouble because in addition to being a pyramid scheme they were causing people's hair to fall out.

And that wasn't the product that they were selling.

That was the byproduct of tired of haircuts.

We can we have you losing your hair.

So so I emailed them as a reporter named Jackie Jones with the Colorado and times.

Colorado.

Right.

There's the Colorado one but there's not the Colorado one time.

So yeah you know them a quote from their CEO that says if you like the Vin Diesel look you should try our hair products because they'll make it bald.

And they emailed back and said that that is absolutely unequivocally not from their CEO.

So I said okay I'll make sure to know he didn't say anything about Vin Diesel.

I said but we do have a quote from Vin Diesel about him.

I can share that with you.

They're like yeah we want to see that before you run it.

So I'm like okay this is directly from Ben's reps.

I have a lot of Monat to keep me bald for years.

Then the next email I got was from their lawyers.

Ben's a multi-page legal document that mentioned Vin Diesel several times.

They said they can you can tell it from our portfolio by a simple Google search.

They said if we publish this that Monats can take swift legal action.

And then they give me a deadline to confirm that I won't publish it.

They said if you have any questions or wish to address this issue further please contact us or have your attorney do so.

So I had my attorney do so.

I said on January 28th, 2021 you threatened to take swift legal action.

I'm reaching out to him for me to take any legal action against Jackie at the Colorado and Times.

Even just a tiny pair of legal action.

I'll respond by photographing every Monat executive bald and these photos we posted on the internet

and made easily accessible by a simple Google search.

In addition I'll get in touch with every bald celebrity to ask them if they've been interested in promoting Monat.

That list includes but is not living it too.

Pitbull, Charles Barclay, Stinkman Backman, Blender Ockman from Larry David, Seale, Perry Cruz, and the Dalai Lama.

Do you have a go Friday, January 29th, 2003?

90 and Mount Stander Condor.

Wait, wait, can you refresh me on whether what the time difference is between when you receive that email

when you send this email and when the deadline is?

For the next day.

Okay, great.

I said that time has already passed.

Oh, there we go.

Questions or a wish to address the issue further?

Please do not hesitate to contact Jones.

It's sincerely Jackie Jones.

Jones, Jones and Jones, LLC.

I'm trying to get lost.

You mess with Jones.

You get the Jones.

So I shared that interaction online and somebody saw it and I don't know how they got this link.

I'm going to give you a link to a Zoom party that all the executives at Monat were having.

All the people at the very top of the triangle.

So I joined this tray angle.

And I got awkward with you very quickly.

And I see one person who won't recognize you as Mr. Angle.

I'm tray.

The beach back.

And they removed tray for the meeting.

So I tried to change my name and rejoin and they let me back in.

So I was able to say you mess with the Jones.

You get the Jones.

Okay.

And so that's the kind of stuff I do.

So this happens.

So someone sent me a message all the way back in 2020.

They said they bought the domain parlor dot social.

And they made a website making fun of the social media app parlor.

And that was the parlor logo.

This is the website logo that they made.

It looks nothing like the actual parlor.

But here's the website.

You're in a safe space now.

Parlor doesn't exist anymore.

Does it?

They kind of got bought by somebody else to have like a different function now.

But look like the social media app parlor.

No, it doesn't exist anymore.

But at the time.

So he left like a form on the website for people to fill out.

I was like, yeah, sure.

But then, you know, we never really heard anything from anybody filling out the form

until a year and a half later, he messaged me again, saying that an actual Congress person

filled out the form.

His name is Ted Yoho, thinking that it's actually legitimately parlor.

Ted Yoho was the guy who called AOC.

Alexandria, Picasso Cortez, a fucking bitch.

And when he said that, it was like a big issue.

People made the news.

And then he was supposed to apologize for it to Congress.

But here was his apology.

The offensive name calling words attributed to me by the press were never spoken to my colleagues.

And if they were construed that way, I apologize for their misunderstanding.

He's being very specific about not to.

Yeah.

Or for loving my God, my family, in my country, I yield back.

Yeah, so that was his apology quote unquote.

But he left his phone number on the form.

And he wanted someone from what he thought was parlor to reach out to him

about making a podcast, helping him produce a podcast.

So I called him.

Wait, wait, why?

What?

I'm going to go buy that so quickly.

He's like, I don't, I want to make a podcast.

I don't know any other person in the world.

So I'm going to reach out to a social media site and say, help me.

Like, what?

Does he not know anybody?

And not only a social media site, a website pretending to be a social media site.

Yes.

Which by the way, like clearly on that website, it says at the bottom, it says,

this is a joke.

Please don't sue me.

Like it literally says.

Fine print.

But I guess he didn't see it.

So when I called him, to be honest with you, I thought it was just going to be like the first and last call.

And so I was just going to say a bunch of crazy stuff.

See if he would hang up on me and be done with it.

But he never really picked up on anything I was saying when we talked about his podcast.

Content's going to be, you know, pretty much got country family.

Everything I ran on.

Sorry.

Cut out.

I cut out.

Yeah.

God damn it.

Family or something?

No.

God, country and family.

Oh, okay.

It's going to say I was like, whoa.

You know that.

You know what I'm saying?

So I said that.

We talked about school shootings.

We tried to get implemented when I was at Congress.

A gun thank you program to go into the school.

Of course, none of the schools, you know, really wanted to do that.

Maybe if there were more shooting ranges.

We tried the schools, you know, that way, all that aggression, you know,

you skip right past the lunchroom, you know, right to the shooting range.

You know, get some target practice and even if the targets were, you know,

six-year-old boys and girls as the targets, you know, that saves a life then.

Hey, well, I don't have the parents coming up with you.

So clearly, he's not, he's not paying attention.

So this just kept going over time.

We kept working with him.

He wanted us to make him a website for a new podcast.

And so there that is.

That's what we did for him.

He was sending us like blogs that he wrote like this one.

Let me ask you this.

Did he pay you?

No.

So that was the thing I, he probably he wanted to pay.

But I always said, we really like what you're doing.

We just want to say.

So he thinks like I nailed it.

I like all the places I could have tried to call.

I called the one place and come out of these guys doing great.

It's like these guys love me so much.

They're going to do this for free.

Yeah, because I didn't ever wanted to get any monetary transaction.

Right, right, right.

Then it becomes a different level of right.

Yeah.

But yeah, he was writing blogs and sending it to us.

And we just uploaded those under like the manifesto section of the website.

Yeah, they kept going.

I actually didn't know how long I could keep doing this.

One time he asked me was like, does anybody else work with you over there?

And I was like, yeah, that's true.

I can't be the only person working for parlor.

So I referred to another comedian Walter Masters.

Yeah.

You watch Walter stuff.

Fantastic.

So Walter came on and was like a creative director for parlor.

And so we had a couple of school calls with Ted.

I mean, the ignorance out there is just amazing.

Yeah.

There are a lot of just ignorant people.

I mean, completely.

And it's like the stuff is happening right in the front of them.

And they're just like totally ignorant.

It's like they fall for anything.

So we had to call.

I honestly like didn't know how I was going to what we're going to have.

And like how long I could keep doing this.

But you know, the AOC thing was an important reason why I kept going.

Because remember, he told Congress that he'd never called to that.

And then even on the news, he went and told them this.

Did you refer to her as an F word B word?

No, I walked down the steps.

I said, this is just such a fricking BS.

But here's what he told me on a call.

A reporter heard me say something.

He said, what was that about?

I said, no comment.

You guys are in the business.

You know, when somebody says no comment, it's kind of off the record.

You know, you don't, you don't go after that.

Right.

And he said, did you call her an F and B?

And I said, no comment.

But truth is, as I walked away by myself, I said, what a F and B.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So he admitted to me some things that he lied to Congress.

So at this point, it started to get kind of getting deeper and deeper.

He wanted me to meet him in person.

He invited me out to Liberty University, where they're having this CEO summit,

where other politics and powerful people were going to be there.

Because you wanted them to come on as guests on his podcast.

So at this point, I was like, before I do all this,

I really probably should talk to a lawyer.

So I registered films and shows.

And then I actually did reach out to a lawyer.

I called one of Sasha Baron Cohen's lawyers, because he had that show,

who is America?

And in this particular episode, this is Roy Moore, the judge from Alabama,

who is a pedophile.

And Sasha Baron Cohen said, I have this wand that could detect pedophile

and he'd like to scan himself and nothing happened.

And Roy Moore started going off by beeping.

So later on, Roy Moore threw him for like $90 million.

And Sasha Baron Cohen won.

And one of his lawyers told me on a very brief phone call that the reason he always wins

is because he has these people sign these airtight contracts before they go on his show.

So that same lawyer sent me the same contract, and I got Ted to sign it.

Oh my God.

Now, had you set up Parler Social LLC?

Yes, I also set up Parler Social LLC.

Oh, that was smart.

Yeah.

It's a real entity.

Yeah.

That's a part of something.

That's your production company.

Exactly.

For that production.

That's fantastic.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So off we went to Liberty University.

You're getting him for the first time.

I like how you did not.

The thing I really appreciate this is like, I can see how, you know, like, for instance,

like the yes man, are you, are you wear them?

Yeah.

I would imagine that.

And, you know, they would, they would really dress the part.

And when I saw, like, when I was watching this and saw you show up with, like,

you really did nothing in any way.

Like, change, like, it doesn't even look like you washed your clothes to present as

if you were at Parler Social.

But I guess like part of it is, like, you're the, you're the internet guy.

Yeah.

So you're like, it's like, he's talent.

We can't, you know.

Exactly.

I did stick out a little bit.

I tried to get the Liberty University hat when I was on campus.

That was my one, like, disguise attempt.

But yeah.

So, you know, we were there with Ted.

We were supposed to start interviewing people in this conference room that he had

booked for us.

Apparently he double booked it with the Lieutenant Governor of Virginia.

So they, like, they came in.

They're like, who are you guys?

And I'm like, I'm zero Ted.

So we actually had to leave.

And so the first day we didn't interview anybody.

We just ended up following him around.

By the way, yeah.

So I went Walter went and then Mac, the guy who made the website, the fan who reached out to me

from the beginning.

The three of us went and I brought a cameraman as well.

So yeah, that whole first day, no interviews.

We're just following him around.

And, you know, he's just like shaking hands with people and introducing us to people.

Like, that's the former president of Ghana.

They're in the middle.

That's another Congress person over there on the right.

And then there's us.

That's the look of what am I doing here right now?

Walter dresses the part a little bit easy.

He's got Walter as a character that in that whole backstory on that character.

I can tell.

Right.

Right.

So Ted's like giving us speech in this conference room.

We're outside waiting for him.

When we're waiting for him, all of a sudden these people approach us and start asking us these questions.

Like, you know, do you belong here?

Do you have a car?

Can we see your license?

I'm like, oh, great.

Now we're about to get sent home.

But we realized it was Walter, the one they recognized.

Because before all this, he had been doing things like this a lot in person.

I'm weekly all online.

So we realized he was the one they recognized.

For example, here's one of Walter's stunts where he joins on the beach, Margaritilla Green,

and Matt Gates.

I'm so excited.

I mean, this all.

Everyone thinks you're crazy.

I don't think you're crazy.

People think you're a pedophile.

I don't think you're a pedophile.

I don't think you're a pedophile.

I don't think you're a pedophile.

I don't think you're a pedophile.

I don't think you're a pedophile.

I don't think you're a pedophile.

Ted begins to fight totally false.

Yeah.

They're totally false.

So Walter, you know, he does this kind of thing.

So we realized with Walter, who they recognize.

So he texted our group chat.

He says, I'm going to leave so you guys can keep doing this.

And he was right.

Walter was the one they recognized because I had security come up to me.

And they had Walter's TikTok on their phone.

And they're like, are you with this guy?

And I was like, no, no, we just we just met him today.

We don't really know him like that.

Of course.

And so Yoho doesn't realize that you've jettisoned Walter.

So Yoho's not privy to the fact that everybody's like ringing the alarm

right about Walter being there.

Yoho does not know that Walter has now left.

Here's what was going on in Yoho's perspective.

She goes, we thought they might be the TikTok disrupt first.

I don't think so.

So he blamed the Chinese instead of blaming us.

But thank you, kind of, by the way, for getting us out of that.

Because yeah, he never he never brought up again.

He didn't ask.

He goes, where's your buddy going?

I think you have to go home or something.

So I was very nervous, but then he never brought it.

But it's just so amazing, too, that like, he's just like, I got the guys here.

I got to trust him there.

I mean, he's just the fact that one of the guys just was unnecessary.

I guess and just wait.

He's so stupid.

You don't have to be quick on your feet at all.

I mean, he's so congenial with you really too already at this point.

It's your first in person meeting.

Here is only fact.

Yeah.

I think he was happy that we're there.

I really don't understand what he was thinking.

But I was like, okay, as long as we can still stay.

But yeah, you know, he invited us to some dinner.

And I was like, no, I don't want to do that.

The next day, we had like a confirmed guest that he had booked.

And that was a former presidential candidate, Michelle Bachman.

So the next day, I met her.

Oh, there it goes.

You can see the lovely logo we drew for Ted on the whiteboard back there.

Very professional.

Is that your pony, too?

Yeah.

So I had been doing it for three months.

And like, I wanted this to be, you know, the end.

So I brought some things, some props that I wanted to present to Ted.

To see if you remember, like, all the things that we talked about on the very first phone call that we have had.

One of them, oh, by the way, I'm Michelle Bachman signed the Sasha bear contract as well.

That's fantastic.

So, yeah, one of them was a horse because before he worked in Congress, he worked as a veterinarian.

And now we talked about that on the abortion side.

I mean, if you get rid of the male population and get it manageable,

then you can manage your herd from that point forward.

I think that's what happened over the year.

A great analogy to go with humans through it.

Put this on the men, get forced for second means.

And now they're carrying a little bit more of the responsibility.

You know, if they can't get the nut and there's not going to be the baby.

That's true.

So I brought the horse.

There's nothing you could say to him that.

Exactly.

Exactly.

I brought the horse.

I brought four steps for the horse.

And I'm mugging to the second means survivor.

I kid me nine.

So I presented that to them.

And they, you know, they thought it was funny.

They didn't know what really was going on.

And the next thing I presented that's going to got really uncomfortable.

Because that was the target with the kids on it.

And I put that behind them.

That's when they realized, you know, something isn't quite right.

They actually, they got up and they left.

So now in this conference room, it's just me, Mac,

the guy who made the website in the camera guy.

And I'm like, guys, I think we should just pack our stuff up and leave as soon as we...

Wait, who realized first?

Who realized first bang was a Michelle or your friend?

Oh, it was definitely Ted.

Michelle just had a look of shock on her face the entire time.

But he's had this face and then she had the mouth open face.

Like, what is happening right now?

From her perspective, it's like she's just talking to Ted the whole time.

He's like, yeah, let's come up and record this podcast downstairs.

They were having all these people congregate and there was like,

you know, politicians and armed security.

And he's like, yeah, let's just do a quick podcast upstairs.

We're not knowing any idea how deep in this Ted is with us.

So yeah, we're like getting our stuff ready to leave.

Did you get one more question?

Did you get a sense that he was suspicious because he had already been approached

about the TikTok thing?

Or was it just, oh my god, my good friend from parlor social,

it's maybe a little bit crazy.

No, he, I talked to him again later that night and he was talking about other stuff.

Okay, he brought up, he brought up like one of the speakers,

you know, said something about how they had a close call during it.

When there are kids, it was like someone from a different country who almost was murdered.

They left the country and they, it was a close call.

He brought up the, when he said the phrase, close call.

I was like, yeah, yeah, I know a lot about close calls.

I definitely, I had one today myself and you know that.

Of course, he didn't pick up on that.

So yeah, I don't know what, what was going on, but he had no clue.

It had to be right in his face, apparently when, you know, the school shooting topic came up,

that's when it got very uncomfortable for them.

So yeah, we're trying to leave.

And then he comes back in the conference room,

demanding that we give the contract back, that we show Bachman signs.

And he tried to like close the camera guy hired in the door too.

Yeah, so this whole time on my good Lord, he's trying to get that contract back.

Thankfully, a Mac, the guy who made the website, he tucked it away in his butthole,

like it was like a sack of drugs.

So he never got the contract back from us.

But I noticed on his hands, so he was bleeding a little bit,

because he was resting with the cameras trying to turn him off.

And he cut himself and I was trying to calm him down.

I'm like, hey, you know, you're bleeding and you need to relax.

So then when he saw that he was bleeding on his hand, he pulled out his phone

and tried to say that we were the ones who assaulted him.

So it's all this in general.

And in the process, they packed the, and I got her.

And I would never have been in church.

Oh, wait a second.

No comment.

So finally, then the security people came up.

We come up to the conference room.

Then he tells them that we assaulted him.

So they say, okay, you can't leave now.

You're under investigation for assault.

And our camera guy left.

We didn't know how to use the camera that he left behind.

But thankfully, Mac, the guy who made the website,

recorded everything with his iPhone as it was happening.

So we showed the police, the iPhone footage of Ted actually being the one assaulting us.

And they said, do you want to press charges against him?

And I, you know, I didn't want to.

I just wanted to get out of there.

So by the way, the iPhone billed us out, which was made in China.

So thank you once again.

So yeah, we all just left.

That was the last time I talked to Ted.

I didn't want to reach out one last time to apologize.

So I emailed him.

I said it was unfortunate that I created this.

I said, I apologize for your misunderstanding.

But I can't apologize for my passion.

For loving my God, my damage in my family.

My family.

It's fantastic.

They are bones.

Farler Chelsea.

Oh, that's so great.

That's so great.

And you guys, and so I guess it really seems to have ruined.

Your friendship with him.

You never hear from him again.

Never heard from him again.

Don't want to contact him again.

That book is closed.

I'm happy to not be working for him.

I so desperately want to know what was going on in his head, though.

I sort of feel like maybe there's.

Go whistle in a field.

There's an opportunity for you to sort of like just go back and say, hey, you know.

I really want to.

I really want to understand what was going on and.

I felt like we had a real connection.

Or you know, listen, there's a redemptive arc for you here.

I think where maybe you find.

Some type of like a god and you go back and try and make a man's by by going over how that happened.

Right.

I would love to see.

I just like.

I think it's a good thing.

I would love to see.

I just like.

What was he thinking throughout this whole thing?

Like.

How do you reach out to.

Just a random social media company.

That would be like me just sending an email to Google and going, hey.

I want to make a podcast.

You got anybody there who's got nothing to do.

And it's just fantastic.

Well, yeah, AOC saw this, right?

She finds.

She finally did see it.

Yeah.

Like I posted on Instagram a month or two ago and someone tagged her and she saw it.

Yeah.

So she.

She commented.

Oh my god with a laugh.

It's so great.

That is so great.

Well.

Yeah.

I was going to say at that event, he kept saying, oh, the actual CEO of parlors going to be there.

George Farmer.

He's like, so you guys, your people will be there.

I'm like.

I hope that guy does not see us.

We do not make that introduction.

How did he know that?

He saw it on the like, who did he think you were?

Did you tell him like what your job was at the parlor?

Yeah.

I mean, I would just say, you know, we don't know.

I'm like a director or I just tried to sound very professional sounding.

You know, I've listened to plenty of like actual business Zoom calls.

I started to imitate that.

You know, I, one time I was talking to like my wife at the time.

I'm like talking to her in the background.

He's like, oh, are you talking to your colleagues?

I'm like, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what I'm talking about.

I was like in an office.

I'm like, just in my house.

Just chilling.

You know.

So.

Yeah.

Well, I really appreciate the work you're doing.

And we'll put a link to that because I mean, I've seen you do that as a live show, right?

When you get around.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What do you want to plug?

Oh, yeah.

Thanks.

I'm starting up a tour soon.

I tell everyone that I'm moving to a new city, but I'm all going to stay for a day or two than I can.

So if you go to Ben, Ben Palmer is moving.com.

You can sign up to be notified when I get a show in your city.

That'd be awesome.

I appreciate that.

Thanks so much for having me on.

Well, we'll link to your stuff and that that sign up as well.

Ben Palmer.

Palmer trolls.

Thank you so much.

Really great work.

I really enjoy it.

Thanks, Sam.

Thanks.

I might appreciate a lot.

Thanks, Ben.

All right.

All right, folks.

Well, are we going to do another freebie?

We're like three freebies in a row.

Some kind of socialist.

Oh, we didn't do yesterday.

Well, we did an inadvertent freebie.

Yeah, we might as well.

Yeah, we might as well.

We've got 45 minutes, right?

Oh, I just...

I didn't know what you meant by inadvertent freebie, but yes, now I understand.

Do you need to take a break?

Probably.

All right.

Well, let's take a break.

But we could still do a freebie.

We could just go to break.

We could just do a shorter fun after.

Yeah, we'll do a shorter fun after.

Yeah.

We did a freebie the other day.

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Hello.

You know, we're just a big draw.

We're just a big draw.

What's the bull is this?

If you want.

It's not even happening for a while.

Two and a half weeks.

Well, that's pretty good to sell out two and a half weeks in advance.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Damn.

Yeah.

So popular.

What was the and doom scroll?

Oh, yeah.

Well, it's been a week since I've come out.

So people could check it out if they want.

I feel like I plugged it enough.

Do you want to be one of the hundreds of thousands of people?

Is that the numbers right now?

I said it like 171 last time.

That's a lot for that show.

Yeah.

A lot to respect.

He's a talented interviewer.

And I think that that series is interesting.

I haven't watched a ton.

I've only really watched like crystals episode and some others.

But I think he interviewed some like other more controversial people on there too.

Who I am.

Be curious.

That will mimic her fellow.

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

Oh, I feel like he also interviewed I think too.

Right?

I haven't seen that one.

If he has.

But anyway, there's a lot of good interviews on on doom scroll.

So check those out.

See you in a fun half.

Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now.

And I don't think it's going to be the same as it looks like in six months from now.

And I don't know if it's necessarily going to be better six months from now than it is three months from now.

But I think around 18 months out, we're going to look back and go like, wow.

What?

What is that going on?

It's nuts.

Wait a second.

Hold on.

Hold on for a second.

Emma, welcome to the program.

Hey.

Matt.

Who?

Fun.

What is up, everyone?

Fun.

No, me key.

You did it.

Fun.

Let's go Brandon.

Let's go Brandon.

Bradley, you want to say hello?

Sorry, this is clearly everyone.

I'm just a random guy.

It's all the boys today.

It's fundamentally false.

No, I'm sorry.

Women are talking for a second.

Where is this coming from, dude?

Do you want to smoke this?

Seven eight.

Yes.

Five minutes.

Is it?

Yes.

Is it?

Yes.

Is it?

Is it?

Is it?

Is it?

Is it?

It is you.

Is it?

Is it?

Is it?

Is it?

Is it?

Who is you?

Let's go south.

Every single freaking day.

What's on your mind?

Sports.

We can discuss free markets.

And we can discuss capitalism.

I'm going to go start right.

Libertarians.

This will stuka, though.

Common sense says, of course.

Gobbled eaguk.

We fucking nailed him.

So what's 79 plus 21?

Challenge man.

I'm positive in equilibrium.

I believe 96 I want to say.

857.

210.

35.

501.

One hat.

38.

911 person.

3400 dollars.

1916.

543 trillion dollars.

It's sold.

It's a zero-sum game.

Actually, you're making me think less of it.

But let me stay this.

Whoop.

Call satire.

Sim goes to satire.

On top of it all.

My favorite part about you is just like every day all day.

Yeah.

You do it.

Without a doubt.

Hey buddy.

We see you.

All right folks.

Folks.

Folks.

It's just the week being weeded out, obviously.

Yeah.

Suns out, guns out.

I don't know.

But you should know.

People just don't like to entertain ideas.

I have a question.

Who cares?

Our chat is enabled.

Wow.

I love it.

I do love that.

Love.

Got to jump.

Got to be quick.

I get a jump.

I'm losing it bro.

Two o'clock.

We're already late.

And the guy's been a dick.

So screw him.

Um.

Um.

Send to a good long range.

Look.

What is wrong with you?

Love you.

Bye.

Love you.

Bye bye.