363: Pfister Hotel

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6:17But go over there patreon.com slash graveyard tails. Check it out. So Matt on that topic, why don't you tell us what are we talking about tonight, brother? So tonight I was telling Adam when we when we picked this place, I said, you know what, this is this is unique in a lot of ways. I don't know that we have done many. If maybe any significant haunted places in Wisconsin. And we certainly haven't done a haunted place that has as many stories from well known people, even celebrities, multiple stories from famous people, which is really unusual. I mean, we've talked about places where oh and by the way, you know, Mark Twain stayed here and said he saw something or, you know, Eddie George stayed here and it's scared

7:23him every once in a while. But tonight's place, it's almost nothing but right, right. And we are going to talk about the haunted hotel known as the Fister hotel, no jokes, please. Yep. We're going to be in Milwaukee. Yeah. In Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Yeah, we've already we've already made all the jokes. So y'all can just just keep them just make them in your car, laugh. And then we'll move on. Yep. But the Fister hotel in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, I had, I had not heard of this place. And I came across it and I shot it over to Adam and I said, Hey, check this place out. I think our listeners would really dig this because it's got that very unique hook about it. So you know, and I'll tell you this digging into it. It's got a really unique backstory.

8:26Not so much that it was, we've talked about a lot of hotels, Adam, that people are like, you know, this pull and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. I'm going to I'm going to build my dream hotel. And no, we're going to have it. It has all that. Okay. But it's got a lot of extra stuff as it came about. Yeah. That I don't know that a lot of other hotels can say, you know, some very, very unique technology for the time and you know, that's one of my favorite parts about my research that we did. You know, even even today, it still has a lot of the qualities from the gentleman that built it. And so let's let's get into the history because it really plays into why the fister is so famous and maybe why it's haunted in the way that it is. And you'll understand more when we get into those stories. Yep.

9:26And as we always say, go check our sources down in the bottom of the show notes. If we talk about it, it's sourced and referenced down there. When people think about haunted hotels, Matt, names like the Stanley or the Crescent hotel are usually ones that come to mind. But tucked away in downtown Milwaukee, Wisconsin, stands another grand hotel that's earned a reputation all its own. It's a place where presidents have slept celebrities have checked in like we talked about earlier baseball players have reported some stuff. And they reportedly refuse to stay there as well. So we'll all talk about that in a minute. You know it's active when people are like, I'm not going back. Right. Right. But to understand why this hotel became such an icon, like Matt said, we have to travel back. We got to travel back to Milwaukee in the late 1800s. Now, at that time, the city was booming.

10:28And by the 1880s, Milwaukee had grown from a frontier settlement into one of America's greatest industrial cities. Brewing had made names like Papst, Schlitz and Miller famous across the country. But beer wasn't the only business driving the city's success. Matt, I, you know, we made jokes and we said no jokes about the fester. So I, all I'm going to say is we were talking about the fester hotel, doing research all week on this stuff. And then I have to talk about Schlitz as well. The combination of those two names have had jokes in my head all week. And I have a joke that I will tell you on sidequest about Schlitz malt liquor. Okay. Then I'll tell you about. But don't say beer say boo.

11:30That's not the care. Now Milwaukee had become a manufacturing powerhouse. They had machine shops, tanneries, foundries, flower mills and factories lined, lining the river and the railroads. So thousands of immigrants, particularly from Germany, had transformed the city into one of the wealthiest communities in the Midwest. The street bustled with horse drawn wagons carrying raw materials to factories and finished goods to railroad depots. Steam whistles echoed through the city from sunrise until sunset, while elegant new office buildings and mansions began appearing alongside older brick structures. Milwaukee was becoming a city that wanted the rest of the country to notice it. Now there was just one problem that they had. For all of its prosperity, Milwaukee didn't have a truly luxurious hotel. So businessmen arriving from Chicago or New York expected elegant accommodations comparable

12:33to those that they'd find in larger cities. Well, instead Milwaukee, they had respectable hotels, but none of them could honestly claim to be among the finest in America. Quote unquote. Now that realization wasn't lost on one of the city's wealthiest families. So in our story now, enters Guido Fister. You don't hear people eat Guido anymore. That name has gone away for some reason. It has. It has. Maybe it's still there and I just don't know the right people, but I don't hear people introducing themselves as Guido anymore. Well, not where we live. True. New York, maybe, you know, you'd meet some Guidos. We, I don't know what it is. There's, there's not a, like I don't meet people named like Mario or anything like that. You know, I don't know any Luigi's.

13:35I know they're out there, but you know, not in the, in the south, you just don't meet those people unless you're traveling outside the south. Yeah, the Italian population, isn't that high here in Texas, the German population, however. Oh, yeah. Through the roof. But I meet a lot of Rusties and butches and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Errols. Every one of them, I have, I know multiple people with all of those names. Yeah, right. And some of them have all those names crammed into one name. Sometimes Jim Bob Rusty Errol. Yeah. Now, Guido had immigrated from Germany as a young man and eventually helped build one of the most successful leather companies in the nation, Fister and Vogel leather company. So leather was big business in the 19th century America. Every shoe, saddle, harness, belt, trunk and countless industrial products depended on high quality leather and the Fister family had become incredibly wealthy supplying it.

14:40But Guido wasn't interested in simply making money. Like many successful businessmen of the Guilded Age, he wanted to leave behind something permanent, a monument to Milwaukee itself. Together with his son Charles Fister, they envisioned constructing a hotel unlike anything the Midwest had ever seen. It wouldn't simply provide rooms for travelers. It would announce to the country that Milwaukee had arrived. So construction began in 1890. The family hired renowned Milwaukee architect Henry C. Coach to design the building. Now I'm opting to pronounce it coach. It's K-O-C-H. I just can't pronounce it cock. Or click. I know a guy in the last name is Cook. I went to school where the girl whose name was spelled in this same way and her last name was cock. I just can't do that in this episode.

15:42So it's coach. There's been many things that I have done for this show, but pronouncing it that way in this episode I will not do. Okay. So, say Jones. I should just call him Henry. I'm going to do that. Henry had already designed churches, court houses, schools and public buildings throughout Wisconsin. His reputation for combining beauty with practicality made him the perfect choice for such an ambitious project. Now, the style he selected reflected one of the most popular architectural movements of the era, the Romanesque revival. Even today standing outside the hotel is impressive. Instead of sleek glass walls or steel panels, visitors are greeted by massive stone and brick walls that seem fortress like really.

16:44Rounded Romanesque arches frame the windows and entrances. Heavy masonry gives the building an incredible sense of permanence as though it had always been there and always will be rather than emphasizing height through delicate ornamentation like the Gothic architecture, Romanesque buildings project strength and stability. That was exactly the image that the Fister family wanted. They weren't building a fashionable hotel. They were building a landmark. Now, the exterior only hinted at what guest would discover once they stepped inside. Imagine you arrive in Milwaukee in 1893 after spending days traveling by train. You walk through enormous wooden doors and suddenly find yourself surrounded by polished marble floors, richly carved mahogany woodwork, elaborate plaster ceilings, glittering chandeliers, sweeping staircases, huge fireplaces and richly decorated parlors filled with expensive

17:48furniture. The hotel was designed to impress at every turn. No expense had been spared. The project ultimately cost roughly $1 million. That was a staggering amount of money at the time. When you just for inflation, that's equivalent to several tens of millions of dollars today. Oh yeah. I mean, for one hotel. You don't even think about people in the 1800s having millions of dollars. I mean, you just don't. I mean, you know, a loaf of bread was like a nickel. If that, well, and technically they probably didn't have true millions. They had thousands, which were, well, yeah, the same as having millions today. You and I would be millionaires if we went back to the early 1800s. Well, let's go. Come on. All right. I'm down. I've said, man, I want to go to the birth of this country and buy up a bunch of Texas land

18:53and will it to the great, great, great, great, great descendant named Adam Ballinger? And it can't be sold until he gets his hands on it. Hey, dig, dig this. I just looked it up. I just picked the 1870 loaf of bread, typically cost about five cents, a nickel. Mm hmm. You did good. I'm clairvoyant. Yeah. Well, I'm going to start calling you Claire then. You know, I'm, um, that is crazy that you got the right amount. It's almost like you, Michael would, would then pull in the old joke and go, well, it was when you were born. Oh, yeah. Mm hmm. You think I'm old kid? Just wait. Now, it wasn't simply one of the nicest hotels in Wisconsin. It was intended to compete with the greatest hotels anywhere in America. Now the most remarkable thing about the Fistard though, wasn't what guest could see.

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23:07Yeah, just, I mean, you think, and I'll talk about this more in a second, but you think opulent hotel of the time. You don't think, oh, I got to share a bathroom with other people. But you did at this time. Well, I read a statement in an article about the fister that said there was, there were people that would have stayed here that didn't have electricity in their homes. And we're experiencing electricity in their hotel room. Yep. So that's a pretty amazing thing if you stop and think about it. Yeah. I mean, you know, you go to a hotel now and they have something like, look, the TV drops down from the ceiling. I don't have this at home. I mean, you're like, yeah, that's kind of cool, but I don't have a mini fridge in my bedroom at home. But we, I think we take electricity in our homes for granted so much.

24:09And these people would have, like you said, been living with oil lamps for light and wood burning stoves for heat. And you know, they, they walk into this hotel, this beautiful hotel into a room where you can go flick a switch and there's light. I mean, how that would have almost seemed supernatural in and of itself. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Now like I said, the, the most of the hotels there at that time depended on the gaslight and coal stoves, shared bathrooms, but the fister changed all of that for people. The hotel featured its own electric generating plant producing electricity for the entire building. See, that's amazing too. Mm hmm. It reminds me of the, the, the Winchester mystery house. You know, there were, there were very unique aspects of that that they, they produced their

25:09own power. Right. And instead of dim gas lamps, guests enjoyed bright electric lighting throughout the hotel. Now, it wasn't just more convenient for people. It was also safer. Gaslighting carried constant risk of fire, explosion and carbon monoxide. Electricity represented the future and the fister embraced it completely. Then they had elevators. Today we hardly think about stepping into an elevator, but in the late 19th century, they were still a novelty for many people. Instead of dragging heavy trunks up several flights of stairs, guests just rode comfortably up to their room. Now the experience itself became part of the attraction. For many, many visitors, the hotel wasn't just somewhere to stay. It was somewhere to experience the future.

26:09Now the innovations continued inside every guest room as well. This is my, my most favorite thing about this hotel at the time. Perhaps the hotel's most famous technology achievement was something so ordinary today that it's easy to overlook. Every room had its own temperature control. Now while historians debate whether the fister was absolutely the first hotel in America to offer individual thermostat controls, it was unquestionably among the earliest and most advanced. Think about how revolutionary that would have seemed. Most luxury hotels in the 1890s had central heating. A huge coal-fired boiler in the basement would produce steam or hot water that circulated through radiators. The problem was that every room received roughly the same amount of heat. If your room was roasting, your only options were to crack open a window or ask the staff

27:14to adjust the entire system, which obviously affected everyone else. Well the fister did something almost unbelievable for 1893. Each guest room was equipped with its own temperature regulator. These weren't digital thermostats mounted on the walls like we have today, but each room had a mechanical thermostat connected to a network of valves that automatically controlled the amount of steam flowing into the room's radiator. So if the room became warmer than the temperature the guests selected, the thermostat would partially close the steam valve, which reduced the heat. Impressive. As the room cooled, it would gradually open the valve again, allowing more steam to flow into the radiator. It was essentially a primitive version of the heating systems found in many modern office buildings and hotels today. The technology had been invented by Professor Warren Johnson, a Milwaukee educator and engineer who believed buildings shouldn't rely on someone constantly walking around opening and closing

28:19valves by hand. His automatic control system did the work for them. Well the fister became one of the very first large buildings to showcase this invention. In many ways the hotel served as a demonstration project. A place where wealthy travelers, business leaders and politicians could experience the future of climate control first hand. Imagine checking into a hotel in 1893 after he rode on this drafty train that was heated by a coal stove. Instead of hoping your room wasn't freezing or unbearably hot, you could actually adjust the temperature yourself. It sounds ordinary today, but at the time it must have felt magical to most people. In fact historians often credit the fister as America's first hotel with individual room temperature controls and Johnson controls still points to the hotel as one of the earliest showcases for the technology that helped launch the company.

29:21In many guest rooms also included private bathrooms. Again, this doesn't sound extraordinary today, but in the 19th century it really was. Even expensive hotels often required guests to use shared bathing facilities down the hall. The fister recognized that wealthy travelers wanted privacy and convenience. And I want to say everybody does. Combined with indoor plumbing, electric lighting, elevators, telephones and advanced heating systems, the hotel represented the cutting edge of hospitality. In many ways checking into the fister was like stepping 50 years into the future. And I can't imagine Matt being, you're spending this much money to stay at a hotel and then you are showering bathing because they didn't really have many shower things. But you're bathing like a college dorm where you have to go down the hall, take your shower

30:22shoes so you don't get foot fungus. And you're like, I spent all this money to share a tub with that guy that is in the room next to me. Have you seen that guy? Have you smelled that guy? I don't want to bathe after him. Now the hotel officially opened its doors on May 1st, 1893. Newspapers immediately praised it as one of America's finest hotels. Some even referred to it as quote, the grand hotel of the West. Visitors marveled not only at its luxury, but also the confidence it projected. The fister wasn't trying to imitate Chicago or New York. It was announcing that Milwaukee belonged in the same conversation. Ironically, however, success didn't come overnight. The US entered one of the worst economic downturns in history just days after the hotel opening. The panic of 1893 sent banks collapsing, businesses closing, and unemployment soaring

31:25across the country. Luxury travel dried up almost immediately. Well Charles Fister reportedly watched the magnificent new hotel lose hundreds of dollars every day. For a while, it looked as though one of Milwaukee's greatest ambitions might become one of the biggest financial disasters. But the story didn't end there. A year later, political conventions, business meetings, and major civic events began filling the hotel's ballrooms. Words spread quickly, and travelers who stayed there returned home talking about the incredible luxury that they had experienced. Before long, the fister had become exactly what its owners envisioned. Not just a hotel, but Milwaukee's grand front porch. A place for presidents, industrialist, actors, musicians, athletes, and ordinary travelers would all pass through the same magnificent lobby. And over the next century, those thousands upon thousands of visitors would leave behind

32:26something else besides just memories. So now we know how the fister hotel came to be. And when the doors finally opened in 1893, the fister wasn't another hotel like I've said, it was a statement, you know, the amount of money, you know, which more than a million dollars, I mean, in 1893, that's what economists call a crap ton of money. And yeah, and like Adam went in, it was one of the most technologically advanced hotels in the country. And that the fact that it had fireproof construction, I mean, we, how many times will we talk about how, how dangerous fire was at this time, you know, you got, you got far enough, if you didn't have a fire station next door to your house, you, you, you could lose your entire home to somebody accidentally knocking over an old lamp.

33:26Okay. Mm hmm. You know, all of that. It had to feel like witchcraft. But here's a thing for everything that was new about the fister, the land underneath it was very, very old. And apparently, it already had a story because just four days after the fister hotel opened, the Milwaukee Daily Sentinel published an interview containing a strange piece of local history. And when I say strange, I mean, considering what people would eventually say about this hotel, it's really, really strange. The article appeared on May 5th, 1893. And the man being interviewed was Charles Milwaukee, cyber. Now, cyber was something of a, a living link to Milwaukee's earliest days.

34:33He was born in 1835. And he was long described as get this, the first white boy born in Milwaukee. Now, I, I am assuming this is because of the, the Native American population in that area of Wisconsin, even probably thanks to Alice Cooper, I know that the, the, the name Milwaukee comes from Milwaukee, which is a Native American term. You remember that? Yeah. I don't. Never seen Wayne's world. Yes. Okay. Okay. That's where I learned that from. So, but because of that, newspapers would often ask him to recall what the city had been like in its earliest form. And the Milwaukee, he remembered as a child, looked nothing like the Milwaukee of 1893.

35:33Certainly not one with a hotel that had adjustable temperature in the rooms. But back then, the city was still becoming a city. And cyber recalled something very specific about the land where the Fister now stood. According to research by Milwaukee historian, Anna, Lord, I'm going to, I'm going to say this wrong. Lardin, why I did pretty good. Anna, Lord, and why cyber told the Sentinel that he once lived in a log cabin on or near that very property. And he remembered something, a private burial ground. There it is. That's not good. Four days into the story of the Fister Hotel and we already have a burial ground. Of course. You know, nothing, nothing good has ever followed that sentence. No. That's true. But it gets even more interesting because cyber wasn't repeating a vague rumor.

36:37He said that when the construction on the hotel began, he went back to the site himself. He was looking for something. He was looking for bones. The remains of people that he believed had been buried there. And according to the account, he couldn't find them. Hmm. Now remember that because that version is very different from what you'll hear today. You'll see claims that the Fister was built on an Indian burial ground. Quotes. You'll see stories that bodies were uncovered during construction. And you'll see confident assertions that graves were disturbed. And that's why the hotel is haunted. But as far as I can find, there is no solid evidence for any of those claims. But what we do have is much more subtle and honestly more interesting, a man with first hand memory of that land.

37:40A newspaper interview published the same week, the hotel opened and a claim that a private burial ground once existed there, followed by a search for remains that came up empty, which raises the question, where'd they go? Were the graves moved? Were they relocated? And if they were to where? Or did time just simply erase them? You know, were they so old that there just wasn't anything left or not anything recognizable when they started breaking ground for this hotel? That's possible. Or were they still there? They just didn't find them. Because there's no documented record of construction crews uncovering a forgotten cemetery beneath the Fister. There's no verified accounts of remains being removed during construction. So at least none that survived the historical record.

38:44But instead, we're left with a burial ground that appears only in one man's memory and then it seems to vanish. Okay. So it tells you that the story of the Fister hotel wasn't originally a ghost story. Because when people talk about the Fister today, it's easy to reverse engineer this legend. You know, haunted hotel, old building, therefore there must have been a cemetery and that's how the folklore usually forms. And a ghost story grows up behind it. And the history kind of gets rewritten to support it. But that doesn't seem to be what happened here. The burial ground reference shows up the same week the hotel opens before any modern haunting narrative even existed. The burial ground story was already in circulation and that's important. I mean, it doesn't prove anything supernatural.

39:45I mean, a former cemetery under a building does it automatically make it haunted. Because if that was the case, half of Europe would be just like one continuous paranormal on it. But it does mean that the Fister's legend didn't just emerge in a vacuum. There's at least a historical thread that runs through it. And that brings us to the figure most often tied to the hotel's ghost stories. And that's Charles Fister. I mean, Charles was he was deeply connected to this building. He this wasn't just a business venture with his name on the front. I mean, his father, Guido had envisioned this hotel, but died in 1889 before it could be completed. So Charles carried it forward. He invested heavily and he oversaw all of the construction and its final completion. And when it opened, it was extraordinary. The hotel became a central part of his life.

40:46Charles lived there. He entertained there. He did business there. In fact, his art collection helped define the identity of the hotel. And even today, pieces tied to the Fister family remain a part of the hotel's atmosphere. So when Charles died in 1927, it wasn't hard for this legend to form with people saying, maybe he never left. According to modern Fister folklore, he didn't. That's hard to say. Fister folklore. That's right. He didn't. Now, guests and staff have long attributed strange activity to him. A well-dressed older man seen in the hallways, a figure that resembles Charles himself, the sense of someone watching over the building, not necessarily watching you, but watching over the building as if the owner is still making rounds.

41:50And unlike many haunted locations, Charles isn't described as being threatening. He doesn't chase anybody. He's not attacking anyone. He's certainly not forcing people to leave. He's not standing at the foot of the bed screaming or pulling the covers off of anyone. It's almost like he's management. What you would think, you know, we see that trying to get people to leave from hotels that were not originally hotels. Like they were somebody's private home. Yeah. And then turn into a hotel or a bed breakfast. This it does seem like it because it's always been a hotel. He just wants you to stay at his hotel. Yeah. And he's going to try to be hospitable more than, you know, get out of my bedroom. What are you doing here? It certainly fits with the narrative of his life. You know, this was his pride and joy, not only his, but his father's. So this was a family legacy.

42:53He wanted people to come there and stay there and enjoy themselves. I mean, that that would make him the happiest man no longer alive. If people continued to come to his hotel and enjoy their stay. So I mean, like I said, he spent so long running that hotel that even death didn't get him off the schedule. But there's a problem with attributing everything that goes on at the fister to Charles because some of the reported activity doesn't fit him at all. Like voices, movement, physical contact, objects moving on their own. And in some accounts, the presence of children, which I know Adams, like where do I sign up? I want to stay there tomorrow night. All about that. But Charles Fister wasn't a child when he died.

43:55And remember, Sivers recollection suggests people may have been buried on the land long before the hotel was built. So if something is happening here, why assume that it's all Charles, right? Maybe Charles is just the most recognizable name attached to the story. You know, you see the old hotel. You hear the name Fister. You see a photograph of Charles Fister. And suddenly he becomes the default explanation. But what if he's not the only one? I mean, who else was buried there and how many and when? Yeah. You know, maybe most importantly, when did these stories actually begin? Because this is where things get weird. You've talked about haunted hotels and you kind of see a timeline, you know, a continuous record of ghost stories stretching back, you know, in this case, all the way to the 1890s.

45:00But that's not what we find. At least not in any consistent historical record. There is a gap. The hotel opened in 1893 and Charles died in 1927 and the Fister continued to operate for decades. You know, President, State there, celebrity state there, business leaders, politicians, performers, I mean, thousands upon thousands of guests passed through and yet the well-known ghost stories, you know, the ones that have names and dates and firsthand accounts don't really become widely documented until much later. And you know, that's pretty important because I'm not going to claim that people have been seeing Charles Fister continuously since 1927 unless I can actually find those reports. And I couldn't. I mean, there's a chance those stories existed for a long time, you know, and that people

46:01just kind of quietly shared them between themselves. Maybe the employees and the locals knew, you know, you stay at the Fister, you know, that you may see Charles Fister's ghost walking around. But they just weren't written down. They weren't documented. You know, but there's a chance that this reputation developed slowly over time. But either way, by, you know, the modern times, something changed. So now we don't just have stories, we have witnesses and not anonymous ones. We're talking about people that you've heard of, professional athletes, actors, musicians, people who have no reason to be subtle when they say something happened to me in that hotel. And for some reason, one group seems to run into more of these experiences than almost anyone else. And that's major league baseball players.

47:01Hmm. So that's what, you know, as I said, this place has got a hook that we haven't, we haven't seen before. And this is it. Major league baseball players have more experiences at the Fister than anyone else. You wonder why? Like, do you think here's just a theory of, okay, here we go. If it is Fister, maybe he was a huge baseball fan back then. And when a baseball player comes in now, they experience him because he's trying to, you know, get their attention or something. That's a very good theory because big fan of you love baseball. That fits with my theory as well. You're not as good as Bay Breuth. I like. I don't, I just picked a name. Sorry. That's all right. baseball player. There's probably not a famous baseball player listening to us right now. But if you are, sorry, I didn't, I didn't mean any, didn't mean any slight.

48:04I probably couldn't name a, you know, a soccer player right now. I mean, the other reason, you know, I, I know any soccer players names at all is because the world cup just happened. You know, I watch it. I'll follow it. Only baseball player name that pops into my head when anybody brings up baseball is no one Ryan. Yeah. You're from Texas. You should know no one. Yeah. It's probably an offense if you didn't. I think so, especially since he has a meat company here now. So oh man, but Nolan Ryan beef. Yeah. That's fun. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Tastes good and might get hit with a baseball. I don't know. Just as an aside, we're talking about Nolan Ryan. You know, this was a national thing. I'm assuming, but he did ads for, I guess it's a lumber, a building supply company called Yellowwood. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah.

49:04I know they, they ran like probably in the 90s. I think it was, it was after he was retired. So it had been like, you know, maybe mid to late 90s. I feel like I have seen Yellowwood commercials recently. Oh, they're still around. Yeah. I've never, I've not seen any more commercials like that. But you know, they were, they were humorous. You know, it wasn't like, hey, I'm Nolan Ryan for Yellowwood. I mean, they were funny and he was a part of it. So, you know, anyway, I digress. But the fact that it's these major league baseball players that have all these experiences, that's where the fister story becomes less of just an old haunted hotel and it becomes really one of the strangest collections of paranormal accounts that I've ever talked about on this show. Okay. Because apparently ghosts at the fister really, really like baseball. And if some of these players are telling the truth, the ghosts may actually be brewers

50:07fans. So, like I said, the ghosts at the fister like baseball, and this, this is where it kind of goes, just off to the side, we're no longer dealing with somebody's cousin who stayed here in 1974 and swears he saw something at the end of the hallway. We have names and dates and teams and professional athletes telling these stories publicly. By the early 2000s, the fister's reputation had become well known among MLB players that were traveling to Milwaukee. And one of the earliest players to go on record was Adrian Beltrade. In 2001, Beltrade was playing third base for the Los Angeles Dodgers. Now, during his stay at the fister, he began hearing knocking at the door to the room. And that's creepy, but you can at least deal with that. Yeah. Then his television began turning on and off and so did the air conditioner.

51:11And don't mess with my AC, man. And then he started hearing pounding from behind his bed. What? Yeah. That's that now, you know, the door, the TV, even the AC, we've heard those before pounding from behind your bed. You know, that, that's a different one. Yeah, I, I, man, that would freak me out, I think, more than a lot of things because there shouldn't be anything behind my bed. Right. The wall, you know, that's it. Right. Right. And growing up, you know, you always worry about stuff under your bed. You always worry about that monster under your bed. Now, holy crap, there is a monster under my bed and pounding behind the head. And you know, I know a lot of people could say that, oh, well, there was not a joining room. I don't know, you know, where his room was.

52:11There's, that's not documented. Was where his bed was? Was it position where there was another room behind him or something? I don't know. But when Bill tried to describe it, it was getting it. I knew he were going to go there. But you know, you, you may think that. But when Beltrade describes the pounding, he says it was like someone was hitting the other side of the headboard with an open hand. This was not the wall. This was the actual headboard. Okay. So if the headboard is up against the wall, like it is in most rooms. Okay. He's saying that this pounding sounded like someone between the wall and his headboard smacking it with an open hand. That's weird. Yeah.

53:12No. I don't like that. You know, TV turns on and off. And there's an electronic problem. Okay. Air conditioner acting weird. It's an old hotel. But when something starts beating on, you know, on the headboard behind you. Yeah. Right. Okay. Time to pay attention. Now another Texas Ranger star, Michael Young, had an experience that, yeah, I really dig because his reaction was basically, okay, fine. You can haunt me. Just shut up. Huh. Young said he was asleep after a night game when he woke to the sound of footsteps inside his locked hotel room, not outside the door inside in the room. And he listened and he heard them again. But instead of running out of the room, Young apparently addressed whatever was in there basically by saying, okay, okay, you can stay, you can hang out, you can make yourself comfortable. Just don't wake me up.

54:13Yeah. And according to Young, it stopped. Okay. Dude, that, I love that response because that sounds like something I would do. Yeah. Please. You know, yeah. Just let me sleep. Ryan, I did that at my old house in Tennessee. Remember, noises and I was like, dude, I got to wake up early. Just let me sleep. And it quieted down. Right. Then in 2006, things get a little stranger. Now Matt trainer was with the Florida Marlins when the team stayed at the fister. And trainer stopped by teammate Taylor Tankersley's room to see what he was going to do for dinner. While they were talking, both men heard tapping. Now, they couldn't determine where it was coming from. And later, trainer claimed he heard what sounded like a child yelling in the hallway. But another member of the Marlins organization reportedly had an even more frightening experience.

55:16Strength coach Paul Fornier told trainer that while lying in bed, he suddenly found himself unable to move. While he was lying there paralyzed, he felt cold air rushing over him. Now, that story raises another possibility, sleep paralysis. Now you're conscious, you're not able to move. And it's combined with the sensation that something is in the room with you. Okay. That's the best description. Adam knows better than anybody. Yeah. So there's a chance that's what happened to him. You know, fornier had an episode of sleep paralysis and it just happened to coincide with trainer having this experience. Okay. When you're already staying in a hotel that everyone keeps telling you is haunted and then you wake up, unable to move while something cold seems to pass over your body, you're probably

56:18not lying there thinking, ah, what a fascinating neurological phenomena. You know, no, you're thinking I'm being attacked by something spiritual or demonic or something. You know, you're freaking out. Now trainer became interested enough that he later organized an amateur ghost hunt inside the fister. And they went specifically looking for Charles and honestly to trainers credit, he admitted they didn't find anything. No, no apparition, no Charles, nothing. And it's worth mentioning because if we're going to tell you when somebody claims they saw something, we should probably tell you when they went looking and didn't. Then there's char, then there's Carlos Gomez. And I think this is the best one. Gomez was playing for the Minnesota twins when he had his encounter.

57:21He was taking a shower in his room when he heard voices. He gets out and he notices that his iPod is acting strangely. There is static coming from it. Huh static from an iPod, not a radio, an iPod. I never had no happened before. So Gomez does what most people would do. He turns it off, problem solved, except the sound starts again. He grabs the iPod and it suddenly changes songs. Remember he just turned it off. Yeah, why is it changing? This is his iPod. This is not something that was already in the room turning on and off. This was his. Yeah. Okay. He bolts from the room and goes downstairs before he had finished putting his pants on. I'm not judging here because everybody's got a paranormal threshold.

58:21Okay. You've got an amount that you can take. But you know, once you go over that amount, pants are optional. Okay. You know, but I'm going to use that excuse. But in interviews later, Gomez made it very clear that he did not enjoy his stay at the fester because of this. And he said he was scared to go there and complained that teams kept getting booked into the same hotel despite players saying that they couldn't sleep. Huh. I mean, you got to consider that. I mean, if you're going to take your team to Milwaukee to play a baseball game or multiple games as they usually do, you want those guys to be able to. Leave the park. Go get a good night's sleep and be ready to play the next day. If they're all hyped up because something is disturbing their sleep, that is no good. Okay. No, no, but teams kept coming there. Okay. Now, let's go to 2010.

59:24And this one is a little bit harder to just laugh off. The Texas Rangers were staying at the fester. pitcher CJ Wilson later described some strange things that happened in his room. He heard scratching noises coming from the walls. And at one point, a lamp reportedly began turning itself on and off repeatedly. Now, Wilson described it as going, quote, disco style. Okay. So it's blinking. Oh, so it's not on and off. Yeah. It's like, wow. Now his teammate, Colby Lewis had a much worse night. According to Wilson, Lewis woke sometime around one third in the morning and saw what he described as a skeletal apparition in his room. Not a shadow, not a light, not footsteps, an actual figure. And Lewis was apparently shaken so badly that the next day, he sought out the team captain

1:00:30or team chaplain. And he also skipped a schedule ESPN radio interview. I mean, this really, this really got to him. That messed him up. Yeah. And here's another detail that makes this particular story pretty fascinating. Lewis wasn't the only Ranger who had a weird night. Reports indicated that several other members of the team experienced unusual activity right around that same time. So now you've got multiple players in different rooms in the same hotel on the same night, talking about strange things happening. Now does that prove that it's ghosts? No. But it definitely makes that story better. Yeah. I mean, it really, really does. For sure. Now in 2012, Bryce Harper checks in a name that probably most people that aren't even baseball fans have heard.

1:01:32Harper was a rookie with the Washington Nationals at the time. And his Fister story is good because nothing dramatic happens to him. There's no apparition, no screaming, no ghost standing over him. Harper just goes to bed. Where's Calon down there? It's not. It's normal. But before he goes to bed, he lays out a shirt and a pair of pants on a piece of furniture near the foot of the bed. And then he goes to sleep. The next morning, his clothes are on the floor. And the piece of furniture they had been sitting on is all the way across the room against the wall. Really? Now Harper is confused, to say the least. Sure. So his first thought was somebody came into my room. Maybe a teammate was messing with it.

1:02:33So he checks the door and it's still latched. So he starts asking his teammates if somebody was pulling a prank. Remember, he's a rookie. You know, rookie pranks are a big thing. But nobody admits to it. And Harper gets sufficiently freaked out that he asked the hotel to move him. His attitude was basically, I don't want to talk about it. Just get me out of this room. And that makes it more creepy, okay? Because it's one thing to jump up and start telling this story to all your teammates or the news or local beat rider or something. It's another thing for you to go, okay. It's weird. I mean, that's really weird. And I'm not so sure that I want to spend another night in that room. You know, I mean, truthfully, if I woke up, if I woke up in my clothes on the floor, I would definitely think that was strange if I remembered setting them out.

1:03:35Now that's another thing. If you, if you're one of those people, which I'm not, that will set out clothes that you're going to wear the next day before you go to bed. That is a very specific task that you do, okay? You don't just grab a shirt and pair of pants and put it in a chair, okay? You plan ahead, what am I going to wear tomorrow? Whether it's because I've got to dress a certain way or, you know, I want to look, I want to be casual, I want to be professional, you know, I've got to do an interview, whatever. You put some forth onto it. So saying, I know that I put these clothes on this piece of furniture last night, because this is a thing I do. And then finding out on the floor would be weird, okay? Like, I don't understand. I'm in this room alone. Why are my clothes on the floor? But then to find the piece of furniture that they were laying on, on the other side of the room up against the wall, that's really freaky.

1:04:39I mean, I mean, if you, I can't imagine that somebody was able to sneak into his room, pull this off as a prank, not wake him up, and then manage to latch the door from the inside as they were leaving. That's pretty tough. But with any good prank, you got to, you got to let them off the hook at some point. You got to have a laugh. Take credit for it. Yeah. I mean, I used to, I used to talk about people that could play the long game on a prank or a joke, you know, could do something and then just let it ride. And I've done that, okay? I've done it. I'll share a little quick one that I did that I'm kind of proud of. I was over at my parents house, and this was years ago. My parents had like a little whiteboard calendar by the refrigerator. It wasn't like on the refrigerator.

1:05:39It was on a wall. There was a cabinet next to it. So it wasn't something you had to go over and look at it if you wanted to see it. So I took the little marker and I wrote something to the extent of Matt is our favorite child down at the bottom. And I didn't say anything and I just left and I completely forgot about it. And I mean, maybe even a year later, my sister is in town visiting and she sees it. No one had seen it since, you know, for a long time. And they got the biggest laugh. And of course, when they told me, I was like, of course, I wrote that that's hilarious, you know, I'm glad it lived for so long that we can all laugh about it now. I wasn't going to go, no, I didn't put that on there. I wasn't going to deny doing it. It was funny. So I can't imagine teammates doing something like this and then at the park later not going, we got you. Nobody owned up to it.

1:06:40So it's a really, really creepy one. That would be a good one to take credit for because of the skill involved in getting in there and getting out of there and latching the door. You know, you would think whoever did it would want to take credit for it. Yep. All right. So now the next story. Former Cincinnati Red Second Basement Branden Phillips. He had a very simple experience. He checked into his room and the radio turned on by itself. Phillips went and turned it off, took a shower. When he came back, the radio was playing again. And that's it. It's a whole story. And you know, sometimes those are weird enough that, you know, they're worth mentioning. I have one of those stories. House I lived in before this house. I had a radio that would periodically just turn on by itself. No reason for it.

1:07:42It just would. You know, television would randomly cut off. The weird part about my story was it was always when we mentioned one particular deceased person's name and it would happen. But you know, it was simple. Nobody was afraid, but it was weird. And it was worth mentioning because it makes people go, well, that's really weird. You know, yeah. Yeah. It's just, you know, you just stack it on top of the other ones and you're just like, yeah, what's going on? I'm realizing that we need to have a listener contact some major league baseball players for us and get them on graveyard. Yeah. To discuss some of this stuff because I would guarantee this, the fester is not the only place that they, it's like musicians. Oh, yeah. You know, you, you stay in so many hotels across the country, you've got to have experienced

1:08:44some. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No doubt. So if there's any professional athletes out there that want to come on and discuss ghost stories that they have encountered in their travels, hit us up. And these keep going. Uh, I don't know this player, G, G man Choi. He played for the, for the angels in 2016 and he stayed at the fester. And unlike most of the players, he didn't really know the hotel's haunted reputation. The first night there, he woke up and described what felt like a spirit in bed with him. Oh, wow. You know, for most folks, that's the end of your stay. I'm not coming back, you know, but Choi felt differently because he told the MLB that he had seen ghost plenty of times. He described another experience years earlier after back surgery where he woke up feeling

1:09:48something pressing against his chest. And then he felt the mattress sink in beside him. On another occasion, he said he felt something crawl up behind him, hug him and murmur into his ear. Now that may have just been an obsessed fan. That was, that was very good at hiding themselves. But when reporters asked him how he felt about spending another couple of nights in the fester, he made the joke. He said, well, I hope it's a girl, you know, and then you know, if you get to a point where you're now flirting with the ghost, you win. Okay. You hit another one. You got it. You got it. But that same year in 2016 Pirates manager Clint Hurdle revealed that one of his players had become frightened enough at the fester that he called him in the middle of the night. You call your manager. Okay. For a baseball player, that's like, that's calling your boss in the middle of the night telling him, I'm scared. Okay.

1:10:49Now Hurdle would not reveal who the player was. But apparently this player's television had turned itself on twice and he genuinely got scared. So Hurdle went to his room to calming down and sat there for a while and the television stayed off. So Hurdle left and whoever that player was, never wanted his name attached to this story, which means somewhere out there, there's a former Pittsburgh pirate who knows exactly what happened in that room and still isn't telling the story. Yeah, right. And then we get to 2018, which this may be the greatest fester baseball story of all. The St. Louis Cardinals are in Milwaukee playing the Brewers. Picture Carlos Martinez is staying in the fester and Martinez claims he sees it ghost, not a noise, not something turning on and off a full on apparition.

1:11:51Meanwhile, teammate Marcel O'Zuna apparently has an experience in his room too. So now you've got two Cardinals claiming they have seen something and these guys do exactly what you would expect grown professional athletes to do when confronted with the supernatural. They get everybody together. Martinez, O'Zuna, Tommy Fam, the coaches, other members of the team and they all go to Francisco Paine's room. And Martinez starts filming and post the whole thing on Instagram. And in Spanish, he tells everyone they're in Milwaukee. He is just seen a ghost. O'Zuna saw one too and now everybody is together in Paine's room because apparently nobody wants to sleep alone. Yeah, right. And then Martinez delivers what may be the best quote in the entire history of the fester hotel. If the ghost comes back, they're all going to fight it together.

1:12:56You know, I don't know how you fight a ghost. Okay. But if it. No, but I like that. If anyone's going to figure it out, it's going to be a bunch of MLB players. Okay. Yeah, right. But the next day Martinez pitches and he gets absolutely shaled. Okay. Milwaukee beats St. Louis. And so naturally Martinez blames the ghost. Okay. Mm-hmm. Which brings us all the way back to Charles Fister. Because if Charles really is wandered around that hotel, maybe we've one misunderstood. He's not angry. He's not trapped. And he's not really trying to scare anybody. But maybe he just realizes that if he keeps visiting opposing players at two in the morning, the brewers have a little better chance to win the next day. There you go. There you go. I like it. He's just a dedicated Milwaukee brewers fan. Okay. Mm-hmm. Even in the afterlife, he'll do whatever he's going to do to make him have a winning streak

1:13:58or something. And these players have unique experiences. And if you take them individually, you can explain almost all of them away, bad wiring, old plumbing, sleep paralysis, pulling pranks. It's a hundred year old hotel making a hundred year old hotel noise. And once baseball players knew the Fister was supposedly haunted, expectation became part of the equation. You walk into that room already waiting for something to happen. That's what makes it fascinating because eventually the question becomes, how many independent stories do you have to collect before the collection becomes interesting? Because by now, it's not one ghost story. It's baseball tradition. Players arrive in Milwaukee. They check into the Fister. Somebody tells the rookie it's haunted. Everybody has a laugh and they go to bed. Every once in a while, somebody comes downstairs the next morning with a story. And more than 20 years after those early accounts began circulating, they are still

1:15:00happening. 2023, Oakland's Brent Rooker stayed at the Fister. And Rooker already knew the stories. And during the night, his television suddenly turns itself on. And then it happened again. Okay. Now it's not a huge thing, but it's a common thing. And Rooker kind of accepted it. And he was like, if all they want to do is choose what they watched on television, he was fine with him hanging out. And the next day, Rooker hit a home run. So maybe Charles liked him. Okay. But you have to admit, the Fister hotel has one of the most extraordinary collections of paranormal experiences of any place we've talked about. I mean, you know, like I said, individually, it's kind of weird. But when you add them all up, you're just like, holy cow. You know, what did they come from?

1:16:03The people they come from make it very unique. And it's not just baseball players really. They're just the largest group. Okay. In 2006, actor Joey Lawrence stayed at the hotel with his family while he was on dancing with the stars. And according to Lawrence, during the night, one of his daughters, toys suddenly began activating by itself, you know, lights and sounds and woke everybody up. But you know, that we've all experienced that probably. If you've got a little kid, you've had one of their toys go off in the middle of the night. Well, he got up and he checked everything and it was all fine. But then the bathroom light came on by itself. And then the toys started up again, you know, but he said, oh, this is, this is kind of weird, you know, turned off the light, put the toy away, turned it off.

1:17:04But it didn't end there. Lawrence claimed that the next morning as the family prepared to leave, Lawrence made a remark about whatever or whoever might be in the room with him. According to him, the metal covers on the air conditioning unit suddenly fell off or like in some stories shot across the room. I don't know which is accurate. Okay. Yeah. Probably fell off shot across the room. Either way, kind of weird. Those things don't typically do that. Okay. Lawrence told this story publicly on celebrity ghost stories. And then in 2021, Megan the stallion stayed there. And she apparently hadn't gone there looking for ghosts. They found out the hotel was haunted after they were already checked in. Okay. And she said she had closed the door separating her bedroom from another room in her suite.

1:18:04And she began hearing noises outside the bedroom. When she checked, things appeared to have been moved around. She immediately thought somebody had gotten into her room, but her door was locked. Then she went into the bathroom and started hearing banging. She says she thought it was coming from another room, maybe even another floor, which is perfectly reasonable until somebody in her crew started researching the hotel and discovered, oh, by the way, we're staying in the most haunted hotel in Milwaukee. Yeah. That's a good time. So she posted this experience online and really seemed more muse than she was scared. Which is another good thing about these stories. None of them are actually terrifying. Well, I don't know the skeletal apparition. That probably what it got me. Okay. Beating on the wall, maybe what it got me, but a lot of it is, huh, that's weird, you know,

1:19:05except for the apparitions. If you see a ghost, that's another thing. Yeah, that's way up here. Okay. But there are perfectly reasonable explanations for a lot of this. I mean, the fister is an old building and old buildings do make noises and pipes knock around and heating systems behave strangely. And electrical systems do malfunction and, you know, hotel staff may move furniture around. Usually not in your room while you're asleep and throw your clothes on the floor, but things do happen. Yeah, it happened. Maybe. And when somebody tells you you're staying in a haunted hotel, every little noise is something paranormal. Okay. And that's important with the baseball stories because players have been telling each other that the fister is haunted for decades. So by now, some guys probably know the stories before they even get into Milwaukee.

1:20:05Okay. There's an expectation there and that matters. But you start adding everything together. The burial ground account from 1893, story surrounding Charles Fister, employs and gas reporting strange activities, Joey Lawrence, Megan the stallion and this crazy collection of MLB players who have spent more than 20 years describing everything from malfunctioning electronics to voices to moving furniture to something getting into bed with them. Come on. And that's when it becomes difficult to dismiss the fister as just an old hotel. Okay. Um, I think there's enough here that the legend has kind of taken on a life of its own and somewhere along the way Charles Fister became the face of it. You know, the man that built the hotel. He lived there filled it with art, entertained guests and supposedly never stopped checking

1:21:06in on the place after he died. And if that's true, he doesn't really seem all that angry about it because for the most part, he seems content to just wander around and move a few things and turn on a television and maybe scare the heck out of some visiting baseball players. But apparently he does everything in his supernatural power to help the brewers. You know, but you know, if you're going to spend eternity in a luxury hotel, it's not a bad way to do it. You know, so true. If you, if you've ever stayed in the fister and you wake up in the middle of night and you hear footsteps in your room, you know, don't panic. You know, it might be your imagination, but it might just be Charles Fister checking his hotel. And if you're scheduled to play the brewers the next day, you might want to get another room. You know, so. Because then he might not just be making sure the temperature control is working. That's right. That's right. But what do you guys think? I mean, do all of these stories add up to something?

1:22:09You know, I mean, I think even if you take a few of them, you know, it's, it's really fascinating. But when you look at all of them and I love the fact that these are guys that are willing to share what they've experienced. You know, they're, they're not afraid to, you know, get on a mic, get on Instagram or tell a reporter, man, this hotel is creepy and I couldn't sleep last night because something was in the room with me and I had a terrible game today because can you imagine that post game interview? Uh, hey, uh, why did, why do you think you played so bad today? Because I was up all night chasing a damn ghost around my room. Yeah, right. That would, that would be the headline of the sports page the next day. I mean, no doubt for sure. For sure. But, you know, if, if you've ever been to the fister, if you live in Milwaukee, you probably heard some of these stories, let us know. And the best place to do that is in our Facebook group, it's called the graveyard.

1:23:13We've got tons of people in their sharing stories and jokes and all kinds of stuff. It's just a great group of people. Um, don't forget to go check out our website. Which is graveyard podcast.com. And there you can listen to the show. You can find links to purchase graveyard tails merchandise and you can become a patron. And thank you so much to everybody that has supported Adam and I over the years. It's what keeps us going and allows us to keep putting out new episodes, uh, almost every week for you guys. So, um, we, we really, really appreciate it. So until next time, we'll save your seat in the graveyard. See you soon.

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