
About this episode
Olympian John Gay, host of the Shakeout Podcast, joins Jacob and Rory one week out from the Ottawa Marathon where John ran 2:14 in his debut and Rory ran 2:09 for third place to close out his spring season. They break down both races, talk conditions, pacing strategy gone wrong, a certain Prime Minister phone call, and a lot more. Also on the docket: the Bolder Boulder DQ situation, Parker Valby's return at Track Fest, Kipchoge's continental tour, the new World Athletics qualifying standards, and the US World Half Marathon team announcement.
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Timestamps
- 0:00 -- Intro
- 2:00 -- Ottawa recap, John's debut
- 8:00 -- Race conditions and why times were slower
- 14:00 -- Rory's race and the Mark Carney moment
- 21:00 -- The Prime Minister phone call, play by play
- 27:00 -- Bolder Boulder: Emad Bashir Mohammed DQ'd
- 33:00 -- Should Bolder Boulder open the pro field?
- 38:00 -- Cape Town Marathon and Kipchoge's continental tour
- 43:00 -- Should the World Marathon Majors expand?
- 48:00 -- World Athletics qualifying standards
- 54:00 -- Marathon pacing strategy (and a Chicago horror story)
- 58:00 -- Parker Valby at Track Fest, Habtom Samuel's NCAA record
- 1:09:00 -- Connor Mantz named to US World Half team
- 1:12:00 -- US Women's World Half team situation explained
- 1:14:00 -- Closing, hats shipped, coaching links
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