391. Governor Wes Moore. The Opposite of Trump. “I Have to be a Healer.” Can He Stop Trump’s Military Overreach? Focusing on Men & Boys. Hosting The Cabinet for Army Navy Sat. Pull-Up Challenges vs RFK Jr. Illegal Orders, Lamar & Losing The Locker Room.

Governor Wes Moore is back—and this time, the stakes are even higher. As Trump tests the limits of presidential power, perhaps the most exciting and inspiring Governor in America joins Paul Rieckhoff to explain how far the White House can really go in deploying the National Guard into American cities, what is and is not a “lawful order,” and how governors can (and must) hold the line. From war-crime allegations to loose talk about striking Venezuela, Moore lays out what responsible, principled leadership looks like when America’s global reputation is collapsing fast.​

Recorded during Army–Navy week, Paul and Wes dig into why that game should be “mandatory viewing” for anyone who wants to understand real patriotism, service, and brotherhood. Moore talks candidly about his role as commander in chief of Maryland’s Guard, what he’d do if he were president right now, and why he sees himself as a “healer” for all 6.5 million Marylanders—not a partisan warrior.​

They also dive deep on Moore’s pioneering work with men and boys—from getting more men into classrooms and hospitals to building healthier models of masculinity that steer young guys away from grievance and extremism. Moore explains how Maryland went from 43rd in unemployment to one of the lowest jobless rates in America, cut violent crime and teacher shortages, and launched a first-in-the-nation “Feds to Eds” program that turns fired federal workers into urgently needed teachers.​ And, talks openly about the struggles of his beloved Baltimore Ravens. 

Plus, Paul opens the show hitting the hottest stories: Trump’s refusal to release the December 2nd boat strike video, the latest on Ukraine’s fight and Zelensky’s resolve, the Ghislaine Maxwell grand jury files, RFK Jr.’s pull-up stunts, Nancy Mace’s TSA tirade, Golden Globe snubs, and a wild NFL Monday night. And they both close with “Something Good”—that’ll leave you feeling warm for the holidays and more hopeful about the days ahead. 

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