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ATS, NATO's covers in the highest total games, right?

According to Action Network,

he's nine in three ATS and NCAA tournament games

with totals of over 155.

This is well over that we just said, right?

And Michigan in their last 16 games

as a double digit favorite.

They're not there, they're right at night and a half,

but that double digit favorite.

They're three in 13 ATS.

I'm going.

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with the head himself, and it's coming at you right now.

Ed, we're going on school.

It's like back in the day when we had our betting pod.

It's like the old days, good to see you, bro.

All right, so let's get right into it.

Sweet 16, we started in the after hour.

We hit the first couple of games,

and there's six more games, right?

Six, so let's get after it.

Why don't we start first?

It's not waste time with pleasantries.

Ork, Arkansas, and Arizona.

Love that matchup, really interesting matchup.

What is the number right now?

Break it down, and then I'll share my thoughts.

Yeah, imagine Cal went in this game in the middle finger.

He'd send Mitch Barnhart in the press or afterwards.

It would be legendary.

I'd love to see it.

Of course, that is about as tough a task as someone

should have or can have in this tournament.

The Razorbacks are a eight and a half point dog here,

and it's because as we know, Arizona

is the elite and damn near every which way.

Kim Palm numbers, seventh and offensive efficiencies,

first and defensive efficiency.

I can't wait to see how Darius A cup Junior

attacks his defense, shout out to Mike and Indy.

Dude goes hard to paint because most people can't.

He will get there without a doubt,

but he will also see one of the tallest frontlines

in the game the day.

Can he score like he has?

And more importantly, when he passes out,

can his teammates knock down the shots?

They did against a high point on the season.

They are top 10 and 3 point shooting percentage overall, too.

Arkansas's offense efficiency is actually

better than Arizona's, but the story here

is obviously on the other end.

Arkansas ranks 55th on Bartovic on defense.

They are also not a good rebounding team.

Go back to Arizona's size.

They are elite here using it,

especially on the offense of glass.

I think Cal's best way to play these guys,

crowd the paint, help on the boards,

and interior scoring, locate Braden Burries of Arizona

from outside and let the other guys rip it.

You have to pick a poison against Arizona.

They don't shoot a lot of three pointers,

but this is your best way to probably beat them.

ATS, Cal here.

According to Bet Lab Sports, get this number.

8-1-1 as an underdog in the NCAA tournament.

3-0-8-S.

That is a great number.

3-0-8-S at Arkansas.

He's covered eight straight tournament games in this role,

but I'm rolling with Arizona.

I was going to say, you're not taking Arkansas.

You're not taking, you're not taking, you're not taking half.

Here's the thing, Arizona is so good,

and they're so loaded and they're so big,

and they could certainly win this whole thing,

and they're so well coached,

and they absolutely outclass Arkansas in this game,

taking nothing from Darius Acuff was amazing.

One of the two great guards that Cal has ever had.

I'm getting caught in this, dude.

I should know better, and you're better at this than I am,

but I'm getting caught, especially in the tournament,

more so than the NFL,

where I'm thinking with my heart and not my head.

And I want to give Cal a little bit of credit.

I want to give Cal a lot of credit.

Cal goes to Arkansas.

Cal got run out of Kentucky.

Cal could have shut it down.

Cal, he did not miss a beat.

The fact that he's back in the sweet 16,

doing it his way with what he has, I love it.

I love it so much for the guy.

I love it.

But it's a big Tommy Lloyd house.

I love Tommy Lloyd.

I think this guy is an unbelievable coach.

I love what he's built there.

I think they're good enough to win it all.

So again, I'm looking at Arizona.

I'm trying to find a way even to win a bet with Arkansas

because I want to go with Cal.

But even with all that value, eight and a half, did I hit them?

I hit them, and I think I got them a seven and a half.

I think it's worse.

So the money's going the other way.

And I think I hit them too soon.

I'm going to bet that A-Cuff does A-Cuff things.

He gets downhill.

He makes guys around him better.

They're not going to win that game.

They're not going to beat Arizona.

But somehow some way, maybe they keep it close enough.

I'm going to go with my heart.

I will take the points.

I will take Arkansas and, frankly, fade me.

You know, you know, on that, though,

a great point on your side.

Tommy Lloyd, I love him too.

I know, I know he's a great jungle guy too,

but he is from Gonzaga and they have to freaking,

I mean, this is a kind of a game in the history

of that school that they don't sometimes win.

I don't know, man.

I wonder, I'm taking it in Markfew.

That's our guy too.

I love Mark.

How much credit Tommy Lloyd gets for getting them

as close as he got them, right?

They never quite got over the hump.

Like, I don't want to hold that against him.

I think that he's close as they did.

He's in Arizona.

Is it part because of him, right?

Yeah.

Well, and Arizona, I think a couple of tournaments too.

He kind of faded out a little bit sooner than we thought he was.

So it's kind of a big game for him as well, too.

So I can't freaking game new.

Well, Cal, Cal, Cal has had his moments too in the tournament.

Did have not been great.

Oh, no doubt about it.

So the Cal thing, too,

is interesting to me, Jim.

Everybody said he had to leave Kentucky.

And I always, I always go the other way on that.

I think it's your boss job is to get the best out of their employees.

And I think they could have reinvigorated Cal's fire in some way

instead of getting rid of him.

So that's an interesting.

I don't think, I think it was easier.

First of all, I agree with you.

I don't think they knew what they had in Cal.

I don't think they, they should know that's where they live.

That's what they do.

But to your point, his boss,

he, he act, we asked to BBN.

BBN can be pretty overwhelming and pretty intimidating.

Easier to fire the guy than to fight BBN.

And that's what they did and look what they got.

And look what they got.

Now, like, Mark, you called it, too.

Two years ago, just saying, but there you go.

There you go.

All right.

So next up, let's see how, oh, how about this one?

Illinois V Houston.

In my feeling on this one, strength on strength, man.

Illinois's got skill and we know Houston is going to use blunt force

and defense.

What is the number and what is the matchup?

I think this is the best game of the sweet 16 right here.

I love this game.

Kelvin's team is two and a half point favorite here

because they're playing at home, really not fair.

But it is what it is.

Brad Underwood is not concerned.

Or so he says, maybe he's not knowing.

He might have the best offense in the country Purdue.

Maybe he's not too concerned.

And some say this offense of Brad's

might be the best in the analytic era too.

It is really, really good.

Keaton Wagler.

We both love him.

The six foot six point guard.

He runs the show for Illinois.

And when they aren't making shots,

they're also attacking the offense of glass.

That tonight, Jim will be the battle.

Illinois ranks third in the country

and offense a rebounding rate.

And the Cougars, surprisingly with Kelvin's team,

they rank 169th and defensive rebounding rate.

Now for shock by that stat.

It's weird, especially knowing Kelvin

and his defense, right?

Are his team.

Yeah.

But his defense is still a lead.

It's not as good as the last few teams Kelvin's have,

but it is really good.

But the story here for Illinois, it's their defense.

The last month of the regular season,

they were a disaster.

They also struggled against guards at times.

It's not a good thing when Kingston Fleming

and Immanuel Sharper are lined up across from you.

They also give up a bleep ton of threes.

Now Houston doesn't shoot the three well,

so you have to like that for Illinois.

One more area of concern for them, wetting the bed.

Big leads, dude.

It's happened a few times for these guys.

Let's say it doesn't happen here.

And if it does, they still cover,

I'm taking Illinois and the points.

I thought you're gonna go the other way.

So wait, you get Illinois and how many points?

Two and a half points.

Wow, see, I mean, when I'm looking at what they can do

offensively and I'm looking at their ceiling

and we know they can score the ball

and they've got lots of ways to score the ball.

And like I said, it's ranked on strength.

You've got that and you've got Houston's

suffocating defense.

Maybe that defense is not as suffocating

as it's been in years past.

My biggest concern about Houston is

when they go cold offensively, then what?

Then what?

Where do they go?

Where do they turn to a defense that is good

but not as good as it used to be?

If you're telling me, and you and I

have been saying this for weeks, Illinois

has the firepower to go to distance

and maybe when the entire tournament,

if you're telling me even in a situation

where they're on the road against Houston,

if I'm getting points with Illinois,

I'm taking the points.

I'm gonna go Illinois plus two.

Same page.

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St. John's and Duke.

Let's go, love this.

All right, so what is the number here

and how are you gonna play this?

I'm really curious to see how you're gonna play this one.

Yeah, how about the narrative

from all the people saying the NCAA tournament

isn't what it once was?

Give me one game this sweet 16 day.

It isn't awesome.

It isn't awesome, people did the mob, man, the mob,

I'm not speaking behind your back, Adam Rank.

But even Adam came back from the weekend

because you and I were like, Monday, like,

this is great, this is great, this is great.

And Adam's like, you know, the tournament's

not that great this year.

I'm like, Adam, dude, I respect you as much as anybody.

The tournament is that great this year.

These matchups, why do we need Cinderella

in order for it to be great?

Yeah, that's fun, but these matchups,

we must be all the head purists

because every one of these games are great.

This is great.

Okay, I don't know which one's better.

Jupiter St. John's or Houston or Illinois, right?

So this Duke St. John's matchup.

Obviously, Duke's the number one seed in the tournament.

Their favorite here by six and a half.

Two things for them here.

One, who will be that second person to step it up

on the offensive end?

We've talked about it.

We know Cameron Booser will be the focal point

of the offense.

He's had the best season of any player in the country.

He's consistent and dominant.

But he will be surrounded by a ton of dogs.

Rick's got a lot of them that he could throw at him.

Who will help this guy?

Isaiah Evans was a guy against TCU

before Booser got rolling.

The former McDonald's All-American has been the guy

more times than not for Duke.

He or a few other guys collectively

have got to score the basket for Duke.

Do you have a quick question number?

What's the number, though?

Six and a half is what I had.

Do you have, let me see here,

I still have six and a half Duke in six and a half right here.

The second key for Duke,

and this is very important, ball handling.

Duke has been without their starting point guard Caleb Foster.

He's missed last five game of the fractured foot.

It sounds like he's gonna try and go.

Whether it's him or the other Booser or whomever,

they have got to protect the ball.

They turn the ball over 17 times against TCU.

St. John's will try and force turnover

to create points.

They don't have a great offense, so that's key for him.

They did that 16 times against KU.

So intensity will be there for St. John's.

Duke has to match that on their defensive end

and they have to be stingy.

St. John's can't shoot.

If you don't believe me, ask Rick Patino.

He said as much last week.

So Duke has got to make that.

You don't believe him, ask the rim.

Ask the rim.

Ask the rim, dude.

Ask a paint coming off the rim.

Who are St. John's and Rick's guy?

I'm fascinated to see how Zuby Edge of her shows up.

The Big E's player of the year and defensive player of the year.

He hasn't shot the ball well in the tournament.

He has to on Friday to give the Johnny the shot.

St. John's is hot.

They've won 20 of 21 games.

ATS, another bet labs number for you.

Teams writing a 6 plus game win streak,

entering the second weekend as underdogs.

72% cover since 2005.

There must be some nerds at bet labs

because they're coming up from numbers, dude.

They're coming from great numbers.

Here's a better one from them.

An 81% cover since 2011.

That is 15 years, 81%.

That fits Kyle's razor backs for you on that one.

And it does his old buddy, Ricky Patino here.

I'm going to take the Johnny's on the point.

Oh, I like you, dude.

I like it.

I did not think a lot of times you go with skill.

And we know that the Johnny's do not have Duke's skill.

Even though Duke is not a full strength,

we know they're banged up, but they do have depth.

And they've got quality.

They've got a lot of youth that are going to count on.

But they have skill.

This St. John's cannot match them with skill.

But we know what Rick Patino will do.

We know what the Johnny's will do.

They're going to try and turn this into a brawl

and a street fight and a rock fight

and drag them into the gutter with them

and keep it close as long as they can

and maybe grind this thing out.

And we know they're going to bring the pressure.

We know they are going to bring the pressure against Duke.

So my feeling is pretty tough for me

to argue St. John's straight up in winning that game,

but we know they're going to let the hands go.

I feel strongly enough about their energy,

their effort, their force, their aggression,

their attitude and Rick, the vamp.

I think they can keep it with its six and a half.

I took St. John's and the points plus six and a half.

In fact, I'm not going to lie to you.

Looking at all these games early on,

I liked almost all the dogs.

I know.

There's value, man.

There's value.

There's a lot of value in a lot of quality teams

once you get to the sweet 16.

So I think that's going to be a great matchup.

So you're right.

Especially when you wade Jim, the fact

that the favorites have absolutely dominated

us so far.

It's going to swing back, right?

It's going to swing back.

I would think it will.

All those chalky little bees.

I love you taking the dogs because you're all broke right now,

but it might swing back here.

OK, so we're talking about what's the best game?

What's the best matchup?

There's still other good ones.

Alabama, are we ready to go there yet?

Yes, Alabama and Michigan.

Michigan, interesting.

Michigan's good, Michigan's big, Michigan's good.

Who do you like here?

Well, what's the number and then how do you like the matchup?

So dude, I love this one.

It's going to be wild.

The highest over under of the sweet 16.

That number is 173 and a half.

And it is because Alabama plays at the fourth fastest

pace in the country.

Michigan, 22nd pace of the country.

The spread that you're talking about,

it is actually the largest spread in this round.

Michigan is favored by nine and a half points.

Now how NATO's team can cover this spread, turnover game.

Alabama's top 10 and turnover rate.

Michigan can get sloppy as hell at times.

They rank 160th in that same department.

Also, Alabama can spread you out and shoot the three.

They rank first in the country in three point rate.

Michigan's defense, they are 273rd there.

Also, why they do that, they could run the Michigan bigs.

That's good, they can get tired.

Now of course, those bigs of Michigan,

they present problems of right, especially that rebounding thing.

And the rebounding numbers are massive,

a massive mismatch for Michigan.

However, without the alleged drug dealer of Nates,

Alabama is playing with more size.

And in the tournament, they have hit the offense

of glass hard, more reason to believe here.

ATS, NATO's covers in the highest total games, right?

According to Action Network, he's nine and three ATS

and NCAA tournament games with totals of over 155.

This is well over that we just said, right?

And Michigan, in their last 16 games,

as a double-digit favorite.

They're not there, they're right at night and a half,

but that double-digit favorite,

they're 3 and 13 ATS.

I'm going Bama here and I'm taking the point.

That's a strong argument.

Those are really, really key arguments in favor of Bama.

Look, you look at Michigan, obviously,

if we're looking at the game straight up, too much size,

too much firepower, too much everything,

especially in the paint.

I mean, there's a reason why they are

one of the odds on favorites to win the whole thing,

but you think about Bama, we know they play with pace,

we know they're going to push the ball,

we know they're going to look to get downhill,

we know they're going to jack threes,

we know they will jack threes,

they live and die with the three.

If the three is falling, they could even win this game.

If their threes are not falling, chances are,

they're going to get smacked,

but when you lay it out the way you laid it out,

we know the over under number,

we know Nate Oats' record ATS in games that go high.

Dude, I like the value, nine and a half,

nine and a half for Bama, I'm taking it.

I'm taking it, like I said, I love the dogs

because there's so much value in these games.

Same page head, Bama plus 9.5.

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Where do you want to go next, Michigan State Yukon?

Yeah, let's do that one too.

Is that work for you?

All right, Michigan State Yukon, great matchup.

We've got two Hall of Fame coaches.

We know that both these guys are full of fire

and intensity and demanding.

We know we're going to get from these teams.

They play a little bit differently.

There is some skill, there is some force.

What's the number?

How do you see the matchup?

Yeah, so I love this game

and I know it's probably going to be an ugly game

and I still absolutely love it, right?

Because like you said, two coaches doing it the right way,

I think is what Izzo calls it nowadays.

They have turned both teams,

they've turned the ball over way too much.

Michigan State had 15 turnovers V. Louisville?

Because you know that, you know that Louisville.

You know that doesn't piss off either one of those coaches

not taking care of all.

I'm sure that's always a good sign.

That is not the right way.

It's a good sign, right?

It's because you, dude, when you have coaches,

so Yukon, to finish that point, they had 16 turnovers.

So for both coaches, that's fantastic.

They have had all week to be in their heads

about being careful with the basketball

and stop being so damn sloppy

and both these coaches are elite Hall of Fame guys

so you know I would expect them to be sharp

on both sides of the ball.

They both play defense too.

That's going to be exciting.

The Spartans do a better job.

I thought really quickly, two Hall of Fame coaches,

especially guys, even though Izzo only has one

and it wasn't since 2000, he knows how to coach the tournament.

That guy's really, really good.

Like he said, I think he said to his players,

head, listen, get through the first weekend

and we will get you through the rest,

but you got to do what we tell you to do.

And we know Dan Hurley knows how to coach an tournament.

I think there's something to be said.

You need talent, you need players.

The coach is the first ones to tell you that,

but there's a certain way to coach in this format

and coach in this tournament and both these guys get it.

They know how to do it.

And the numbers back them up and they back up Izzo,

especially going in this 2016.

They always back them up.

He's got four or five days to get everything in line

and it was always a fun thing

because we always paid attention.

Duke was obviously Duke and they've always been great there.

They kind of struggle in those Thursdays games.

Izzo never struggles in those games,

but neither does Bob.

So they kind of do what he, what he,

they kind of cancel each other out of their greatness, right?

They're the same kind of coach

and there's, that's another example of entire thing.

Not Bob Dan, you mean?

I'm sorry, yeah, Dan, sorry.

Bob will be on a staff next year.

I hope.

I hope.

Yeah.

I think he probably won his own job, but I hope.

So, okay, so where does that leave us?

They both need to take care of the ball.

They're both going to have their teams ready.

What do you think?

Yeah, so Michigan State,

the one thing they do better than Yukon

is limiting opponents to second chance opportunities.

They're excellent on the boards, right?

They're going to win there.

How they handle territory,

junior will be interesting.

The Yukon big fella is playing great,

especially the first game.

Second one was good, but not great.

I think the overall question you hit on it there

is the talent thing, right?

And Yukon has several NBA dudes.

Michigan State has Jeremiah Fears

and a good team from several guys

are just not elite like Yukon does.

And now Silas, Demarri or Demarri, junior,

his ankle for Yukon, that'll be important.

Yeah.

He came off the bench.

Yes, that's huge.

If he's feeling any better,

it'll be a huge advantage for Yukon.

And I just give Yukon the advantage a little bit there

because of the overall talent.

And I expect more out of Hurley here

to get those guys maxed out in their head right, ATS2.

We just, you just hit on it, dude.

Hard to bet against Dan.

Dude, he's a perfect eight know ATS in the sweet 16.

Like he neutralizes, is those points right there.

I gotta go with Yukon minus one and a half here.

That is amazing.

That's amazing.

Yeah.

Again, I'm stuck with my head and my heart.

Like I love both these coaches.

These are two of my favorite coaches ever.

I will defend both these guys always, even Dan,

when he loses his mind.

I will always defend him to your point.

I think I got more talent.

We didn't mention Karaban.

And once he gets going, look out.

That's always the top major NBA guy right there.

You mentioned Jeremy Fures.

I talked to Tom Iso this week.

I talked to him last month.

We talked about Fures.

He counts on him.

We do a lot.

I love Fures.

When he's not punching Nads, he's awesome.

And even when he is punching Nads,

he's still a fan of Michigan State thing or something, right?

Yeah, right.

I mean, do the teach out there.

Do they coach that there, Tom?

I've got an ad.

Tom next time.

I'm not going to ask him because even when I tried to couch,

that Fures sometimes goes above the line,

he even pushed back on that.

He loves the kid.

He defended him, but good player, man.

Really good player who put a lot on him.

They count on him.

They put pressure on him.

He wants that.

The one guy you didn't mention who I like, Cohen Carr.

If they can get him going, I think that's good.

The battle will be big.

I mean, man, what a matchup.

What an absolute matchup.

Another great game.

Another one of those ones where my head is telling me

Yukon and Dan Hurley.

I'm going with the car, I'm a man.

I'm going with Tom Iso.

I think that's, you're right.

Say me, no, I think I might be wrong.

Honestly, I feel like I might be wrong on that.

I feel better about your pick,

but something is not allowing me to go against Tom Iso.

Something is not allowing me, and I love Hurley.

But I'm going to go Michigan State.

I'm going to take the points.

I think you could honestly take either side

and every single one of these matchups and make an excellent

game.

It is so hard right now with all these games and, I don't know,

I can't say that I feel incredible about any of them.

All right.

So we down to our last one.

Tennessee Iowa State.

Interesting.

Interesting matchup.

All right.

So obviously you're going to start with where is Joshua Jefferson?

We don't really know what his status is, but probably going to start right there.

What's the number and how do you see this one?

So the number right now is minus three and a half.

The Joshua Jefferson status is a game time thing.

That's what I saw.

That's the last thing I've seen.

But with or without them, their focus will be on turning UT over.

The volunteers ranked 225th in turnover rate this season.

The cyclones ranked fourth in turnover rate forced.

They also turned Kentucky over 20 times.

It's really the story of Tennessee sloppiness with the basketball.

So they need to clean that up.

I mean, they have to give themselves a chance here.

Another key lottery pick, Nate Amit.

He is five for 27 from the floor and one for nine.

Dude, he's doing lots of things.

There's no way he that guy is going to do better than that, right?

And not only does he have to, he just will, I think.

Yeah, I think you will too.

And I think they can actually even overcome them if they don't,

because he is part of the top offense a rebounding team in the nation.

Get this number.

They grab nearly 45% of their misses.

That's an unbelievable number.

So they might be able to help continue to overcome that part.

They can't the turnover thing.

They might be able to also I was state.

They do not excel at defensive rebounding.

So that is a massive matchup.

There's a couple really key matchups in this game.

As for Adam Rank's TJ, also burger.

Isn't that the guy he wanted to kick that?

Also burger.

I always confuse his name.

Great coach.

Good coach.

You want to be a love them there.

Without Jefferson, scoring will be harder.

That's why again, that defense of creation like St. John,

John's of turning the basketball is so key.

Also Rick Barnes.

He's got a really good defense himself,

but they do give up a lot of three pointers.

Do not under any circumstance.

Let me land mom Chila by.

I'm sure I missed that one up to shoot at all.

Close enough.

He is, he is the opposite of a mint.

The guy is flirting with 50% of hitting his three pointers.

He's like J.J. Reddick, Steph Curry comes.

They're floating around this guy.

He could absolutely shoot it.

You have to identify that guy Rick at all costs.

ATS, we talked about this last week.

Barnes and the spread in the NCAA tournament.

It's a historical ass.

There's no doubt about it.

But he did cover both games last week

and he's going to do it here.

I'm going Tennessee and I'm taking the three and a half points.

Dude, look at you.

And I know you normally do not want to do that.

I feel differently about Rick Barnes than you do.

I had him on this week.

And I'm not saying I'm taking guys

because we had him on this week.

But I can tell by talking to them

how strong we they feel about what they have,

what their situation is.

Barnes was in a really, really good place.

A really good place.

Yes, he loves his team.

He loves them defensively.

He loves a man.

He loves Jacobi Gillespie.

We know that and really good player.

Really good player.

And he just loves the group.

He seemed like he was in a really, really good place.

And you take all of that.

I think they are good defensively.

He says one of the better defensive teams that he's had.

And then in Jefferson, we don't know what his status is.

Whether or not he's going to go and if he does go,

how good will he be if he does go?

We don't know that.

I actually, again, I've been saying

at the entire segment, I like the dogs.

I like the value.

If I can get Tennessee plus three and a half

and I can, I'm going to smash that.

I'll hit that.

I'm going to take that.

Beautiful.

So we were not on the same page on one of the two games

for the after hour, but I feel like,

did we hit all the same things in this segment?

We did.

Purdue, Texas, England, Arkansas.

I was Arizona.

Yeah.

I was Arizona.

OK, I took Arkansas though.

So we're different there.

John St. John's Alabama.

You took, you took like, you took like, you took like,

you took Michigan State.

You took like six dogs.

You took a lot of dogs because I am not a dog.

I wish I were a dog, but I took the dogs because I just

see these are big numbers, man.

These are good teams with big numbers and a lot of value.

Some of them are going to win straight up.

Yeah, it'll happen this weekend.

Listen, if we win either one of us win more than we lose,

we're not like the clones.

We're good with that.

Like, if we go through it too, we're thrilled.

We're good with that.

I'll be happy with that.

We're not going to cry about that like the clones.

Like, yeah, man, well, anyways, we always

say if you don't like what we're saying,

we would more than encourage you to fade us and talk junk

about us and we're fine.

And much rather you do that, then cry because you went

with what we did and it cost you money.

All right, make up your own mind, make your own decision.

And if you know better and we don't know Jack, fade us.

Go chalky.

Go chalky clones.

Thank you.

Actually, do whatever the hell you want.

I'm going dogs.

I'm going dogs.

All right, had great job today.

Is there anything that we have forgotten?

Well, I think we got it everything, man.

We're ready to roll now.

All right, let's go make some money, man.

Let's go have some fun no matter what.

Let's go make some money, dude.

Appreciate you very much.

Great research, great intel.

Thanks for everything and a great job.

Thanks for picking me up today, dude.

Thanks for having me on.

Appreciate it.

You got it.

Thanks.

Thank you.

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