#423 Makai Elías Calles - What Really Happens When You Die?

Zuby is joined by health journalist at the Epoch Times and filmmaker Makai Elías Calles to discuss his new documentary Final Hour, a deep dive into the phenomenon of near-death experiences. Trained as a scientist Makai shares how interviewing people who died and came back forced him to confront cases that shouldn't be scientifically possible, including a Harvard neurosurgeon with an offline neocortex who returned with a fully lucid memory. The conversation covers cross-cultural NDE patterns, the strange choice to come back, why survivors often come back depressed, the concept of vertical perception, whether plants might have memory and much more.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(03:01) The stories that inspired the documentary

(05:48) The near-death experience at age seven

(06:57) The biggest lesson from making the film

(07:17) A scientist's worldview broken

(08:09) The Harvard neurosurgeon case

(10:00) Do atheists and believers see the same thing?

(15:16) Do people choose to come back?

(17:18) Why survivors come back depressed

(19:08) Vertical perception explained

(23:07) Is there evidence beyond materialism?

(26:11) Colours you can't describe

(28:02) Are there negative near-death experiences?

(31:38) Do plants have memory & intelligence?

(39:21) The rarest emotion — awe

(43:28) Moral beauty explained

(45:11) Goodness as a form of beauty

(46:40) Where to find the documentary

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