455 | Jai Opetaia def. Brandon Glanton to win Zuffa title, IBF strips him, chances vs. Benavidez/Zurdo

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It is midnight. Never did a podcast this late at night because we just watched Joy of

Pataia become the first ever Zufa boxing, Cruiserweight world champion history history history.

Historic. Historic. Where were you? This is going to go down in history because this is the first

one. When we're going to look back on this many years from now, we're going to look at this like,

wow, this is the first one. But right now, nobody cares. It's not, it's not that big of a deal right

now. It will be. It will be. But yeah, right now, it's not the big deal. And it's late at night

on a Sunday. So I'm a little low energy. No, you're good, bro. You look great. Zufa, guys,

you got to, you got to, you got to fix this Sunday night thing. This, I know this is a great,

this is like a good idea to avoid the big UFC fights that were last night. But you got to do,

if you're going to do Sunday, you got to do them earlier. It is midnight on Sunday night before

work week. And we're sitting here talking about boxing. So that part doesn't make sense to me.

Exciting. We're going to bring Opatio over to the US. We're going to expose them to more fans.

We're going to expose them to more casuals. There's a lot of fans in the apex. That's for sure.

No, that part didn't make much sense to me. You know, bury them on a Sunday night at midnight.

You know, I'm doing it earlier. We'll get into the shenanigans with the belts with the IVF.

Like his IVF belt was on his shoulder in the post fight. But I'm pretty sure he's going to be

stripped. We'll get to all that in a second. But as for the actual fight, I thought Opatio looked

good. Borderline great. I threw out sensational on Twitter and I got some pushback.

Brennan Glennon is made out of cement. It's very hard to judge a guy's power based off of

Brennan Glennon's iron dome because he was just taking a lot of punishment. There's a lot of

holding in there. But Opatio took about two or three rounds to heat up. I thought he looked

really great in there. His movement was really impressive. Then his left hand is just vicious.

The right uppercut that Andre Ward pointed out would be a big pine punch. He was able to land that.

I thought it was a good performance. He dominated Glennon. Never seen Glennon lose like that.

So I thought all in all really, really good performance from the clear number one cruiserweight

in the world. That's joy of Opatio. There's a reason that we stayed up to watch this fight. It's

and it's joy of Opatio. This fight went pretty much exactly how I expected because

Glennden is a guy that's fought on Pro Box on our air quite a bit. He is what he is.

What'd you say? You've made a cement. Max said on the air that Glennden is made out of concrete.

I was like, that's really well put. The guy is super strong. He's super fit. He's got

he's got the heart and will of concrete as well. Even in the 10th round, he looked like he was

ready to break. He didn't. He had that big hematoma in the middle of his forehead. He was getting

pieced up by Opatio's deep offense, which is very dynamic. He looked like he was ready to break,

but he didn't. He pushed through. He soldiered on 12th round. He took some big shots. He was

almost ready to go there. Referee was a little awkward with that. Taking a lot of points,

making himself a star tonight and not in a good way. All in all, this is why we're

up talking about this because Jay Opatio is that good. He is that guy. Phenomenal, dynamic

offense, solid defense. Fantastic gas tank show tonight because that was something I was worried

about him because he's a big guy for Cruiser. Late in fights, we've seen him fade against

Bratis. Both fights actually. One in the first one, he had a broken jaw, but the second one,

he faded. Late in Bratis actually came on. He didn't show that tonight. He actually kept

rashing it up. I thought he looked really good at the end of the fight. Even his post-fight

press conference, post-fight interview. He looked sharp. He looked energetic. Yeah, Jay's the guy,

man. He's the guy at Cruiserweight. There's no question. Glantin, man at 10th, I had to

super tough, dude, but he is what he is. This fight went exactly how I thought.

Yes, I agree. Like you said, pressure fighters usually takes a little bit for them to warm up,

and I don't believe that Opatio actually showed that he was a pressure fighter tonight. I thought

he was very calculated. It's not a right thing. I thought if anything, he was like, all right,

I'm not going to come in here and be pressure. I'm going to be a little more poised. I'm going to

be more calculated. I'm not going to smother my shots. I'm going to pick my,

my spots, and he did, and it was beautiful. The movement to me is what I think how he can beat

like a Zerto who's more of a plotter, and how he can beat a Benavita. It's not saying that I

think he could beat those guys, but that's the athleticism of this guy. It almost makes me think

that he can't go to heavyweight with how easily he moves in there, but we see the same thing for

music that you could win at 2 to 1, 2 to 10, 2 to 15. If you have sublime skills, I'm not ready for

that conversation just yet, but I really liked what I saw from up attire. In there with a guy in

Glenn, who was top 15-ish in the division, IBF put him at 15 so they could sanction this fight,

and then not sanction it. The ring has him at 10, but there's a lot of agasiness with the ring

rankings as of late. Glenn didn't, came in there and do what he's supposed to do. He was a tough guy

that looked apart in all the lead-up. I'm like, oh, I'll get this guy. He's muscle bound. He's

had some big wins and some big knockouts early on in his career. He's going to give Opataya a big

test, but we knew there was going to be levels here. The biggest thing now for him is just staying

active and staying in the public eye and not going away and not disappearing to Australia and

becoming irrelevant. Stay in front of the people here in the US. Go be part of that TKO machine.

Go to Monday Night Raw. Go to UFC events and bang the drum for the Zerdo and Benavita's winner,

because that's clearly what he wants. That's clearly what we need to see next. I think Opataya,

he passed all the tests. A lot of shit was thrown his way between the nonsense with the IBF

and the sanctioning belts. That's going to be a huge distraction too. The first big signing for

Zufa, the first time he's out in front of a big promotion and the main guy, you can test

how much that has to play role. He went in there and did what he had to do. The thing about

Opataya is it's not just about keeping him active, because Mashroom kept him active. He was

knocking guys heads off, cleaning them off, but there were guys no one heard of. If you look at

his last five opponents, they're all sterling records, undefeated guys. They're all guys,

I don't know them. If I don't know them, that's a problem. Boxing fans in America are really not

going to know them. If I don't know them, but he's knocking their heads off. So you're getting

to highlight real knockouts. But I think with the marketing machine and the marketing arm of Zufa

and everything that they're doing to push him, I think it'll help. It'll help get him out

there more to the American audience, because that's really what he needs. I think that's part of

the reason why his stint with Mashroom didn't work out, because even Mashroom, as big as they are,

and as important they are on the world stage, Mashroom USA is relatively new. I think they started

in 2018 over here or whatever. They're not like deep in the culture here. They're still much

better at building UK fighters. They've got the marketing down over there. They don't have it over

here. Quite the same. Also, Eddie just doesn't care about the fighters over here as much as he does

the fighters in the UK. I can say the same thing about Australia. He just does not care. Look at the

way he's moving boots compared to the way he's moving Ben. Look at the way that he's moving Josh

Kelly compared to the way he's moving any of the other fighters that he has in the US. He's had

a couple guys in the US and he's he's hot and heavy in the beginning. Then he falls off. He doesn't

have that personal connection the way he does with a lot of the UK fighters. The Anthony Joshua is

the the the formerly Connor Benz. But I think with this marketing arm of Zufa and their tendrils in

the US market, Giopataya has a chance to become a star. But to your point, he's going to need those

big fights. He's going to need the Zertos of the world. The David Benavite is of the world. Although

I don't think he's going to stay a cruiserweight regardless of how the fight goes. He needs the

Micheleon, you know, unification fight, even though he's already been tripped the idea. It's very

modeled. It's very much ridiculous. But if you're a cruiserweight, you need you need the the names. You

need the other guys. You need the other champions because otherwise nobody cares. Did you watch the

post fight interview with Opataya and Max? Yes. They were having two different conversations in the

100%. They were they weren't even talking to each other. No, it was bizarre because Opataya is in

there saying, I want to be undisputed. He's saying WBA, WBO, IVF, I got I got two three belts that

were adding belt. There's like eight belts out there now. He wants them all. Max is then not

have been listening to a single word. He's saying and saying, no, no, it's not it's it's you're

undisputed already. Like you're the guy. No, you're not. You're the guy because we say you're the

guy. Like we signed you to Zufa. You're the guy. Don't bring up any of these other guys because

we don't need belts to say that you're the best. I say you're the best. We say you're the best. TKOs is

you're the best. So it isn't undisputed. Even though it's very disputed because there's a guy

over there in Zerter Ramirez who's been pretty damn good at cruiserweight. There's a new player on the

on the on the block here in David Benavitas. They're going to be fighting each other. There's a WBC

and now there's going to be a new IVF champion because he's about to get stripped. But that goes to

this whole nonsense that we saw with the IVF. Like let's get into that. Like you get stripped

of the IVF belt the minute he steps into the ring. Apparently the IVF flew to Las Vegas and we're

all for it. They paid their sanctioning fees. Opatized team. He even did the the next day way in.

Then you hear that the IVF pulls the sanction at the last minute citing one of their rules saying

that if there's another sanctioning body in there that's not recognized, which is Zufa, then we

don't have to sanction the fight. They pull the plug on it. They also say IVF that they felt

disrespected with the way that the belt was lack of display from the belt up on the stage.

It was just an absolute mess and where as media as fans were sitting here trying to figure out

like what to make of it all and like who's to blame here is did Zufa go too far. Like these

things can all be true Chris. Opatized should not have signed with Zufa if he's this dead set on

wanting to be undisputed plan simple number one or he doesn't know the rules and I mean the rules

of Zufa in terms of maybe he didn't think that they were going to really stick to this.

No, you know but listen Dana also the message is modeled because Dana came out and said like

oh you know we just signed we signed Opatized he's going to be able to fight for all the bells.

That was a that was a headline that that was something said so may who knows what was said to him

and in the you know presigning or whatever it was one of those like you tell him the girl all

these different things so you can get a date with her and then you get the date and you're like

yeah why really mean all that you know kind of yeah I just want you to come over yeah we're

actually not now that you're here now that you're here yeah we're not going to dinner we're not

going to that five star French restaurant anymore we're not going to that Michelin star restaurant

it seems kind of like that but I like how Opatai I got in that that interview and just just like

no I want to be in dispute and I'm talking about these bells he just did not get the memo at all.

No like you you lost one tonight man and but you gained a trophy because that's what we found out

the Zufa belt is technically classified as but with the IBF like these can all be true

Opatized should not have signed with Zufa if you wanted to be undisputed plain simple the IBF

had every right not the sanction of fight with an organization is actively looking to eliminate

them the IBF could have made their stance known a lot sooner than fight week if they want they

seems like they wanted to make a big stink and they wanted to do some grandstanding here and Zufa

could have done a better job right and Zufa could have done a better job of displaying the titles

and doing what the other other organizations do when it comes to

unification bouts and this with the other promoters do I should say in terms of unification

bouts and making it known like Zufa was playing it halfway too like you said Dana White says

we're going to let this guy fight for the belts then all week long you don't see a single thing

about the IBF in fact nothing at all but but I kept bringing it he brought it on stage he kept

wearing it I remember being like I'm looking at you know the headlines of him possibly you know

potentially being stripped which the writing was in the wall he was a hundred percent going to get

stripped tonight all week long you're looking at it but then he kept bringing it on stage he kept

having on his shoulder fighters care about belts and obviously gyopatite cares about these belts he

kept bringing it on stage he kept bringing up afterwards um and you're right the way that they have

been kind of like tiptoeing in and out of I don't know the belt this belt they don't know

we can we can have the belt and then then not really both sides both sides like all right guys if

if you're coming to take over you're the new world order don't play nice say no belts on stage

say no belts say they're not recognized take your sanctioning and have their fighter have your

fighters understand that if you come to us uh belt is gone yeah we recording this obviously

yeah yeah I agree we're recording this uh obviously like moments after the fight end

so Dana White is doing his his post-fight press conference right now so I'm scouring Twitter

and I'm seeing Dana White hints at a lawsuit aimed at the ibf over the decision to strip gyopatia

over Scruzaway title for what I'm hearing that's something the ibf is very nervous about

according to chrysmatics so like I think like I said all these things can be true I think the ibf

like they they shouldn't have stripped them the way they did like they it's like the words they

use like we felt disrespected yeah that's so like you knew what was gonna happen like all parties

knew what was gonna happen seemingly besides opatia because I watched opatia is manager doing

interview with fight hub I believe and he's you know whining and I can't believe they did this

to us like all right what do we children let's you know let's figure this all out this is unfair

I can't believe it back in my mind I'm thinking okay did is anyone gonna ask like didn't you

foresee this yeah didn't explain this to you is this not on the contracts is this like we are not

do you not watch boxing news you not will listen to our show this is this is not this shouldn't be

a surprise right that's what I mean it's like good management you you should you should take a

look at every potential option every potential roadblock every potential something that interference

I know exactly who you're signing with or were they just so damn excited to sign with anyone

because as Pauli on I'll just say it on pro box is like this is a guy that has fought for short

money is just like this get me in the ring I don't care and then they sign with the first

organization that shows any type of interest in them and they will give you a better sparring

which is clearly like helped out because that's the one things you keep getting the same sparring

over in Australia I mean you're not you're not getting good sparring so they have them here in

Vegas at the PI for months and that's like you know they can entice these fighters so I feel like

the management team like everyone here is is I hate to be that like not choose a side like

everyone here is guilty because they all knew what they were doing and then they waited for like

the the night before the fight literally for shit to hit the fin but everyone knew like what

was going to happen ultimately that belt was not going to be on the line and then I was going

to be lawsuits who's the blame and was I be if wrong was you for wrong it's a mess it's absolutely

mess that was six belts everybody knew messaging was not not done properly but also

this both sides are doing this too this personal

slight that they're taking the IVF all we felt is shut up you're an organization you're not a person

you're not an individual you shouldn't feel disrespected this is business so this whole

personal thing and we're seeing that more and more of the governing bodies wbc was the same thing

with most racial sulamon and I was saying with the IVF this personal slight the fighters

okay we understand you're a service to fighters it's not the other way around these governing

bodies again are starting to act like they're bigger than the fighters you're not bigger than your

champions your champions are everything you have to respect your champions stop with the

respects thing you're not you're not you're not an entity you are an organization you're not

a person you're not slighted by your champions or the way that a another organization

our promotion is treating you because you're your goddamn belt stop your champions are what

matters champions are the ones who are people so you need to respect the champions not the other

way around now in terms of the organization get your pay could be prominent on stage and get

mentioned I understand that that's the business aspect of it take the respect thing out of it

and there's too much of that talking with with with with these businesses fighters deserve respect

not not not promotions or or belts and in that sense like this this this silliness of going

back and forth and waiting to the last minute it should be by the rules by the book I'd like how

the IVF is standing by their by their you know standing on business for all this stuff they they're

doing that right but how you go about it the messaging matters why didn't they stand on business

weeks ago why did they come out and say why fly there why show up was like humiliation ritual why

fly there show up get this action for you apparently like apparently they he paid the 80

thousand whatever 60,000 that's why I didn't that's why you show up and then leave yes grab your

jacket down is a business he didn't also hinted at the guys showed up and was like where's my

perdem so it's like here's a here's a question should Zufa have put their should they have been

more strict about it yeah they should have said you can't come you don't have a shit they have

said you're not welcome sorry job you sign with us like yes I believe you less if you're trying

to be the power player yep don't don't don't have that don't have that you're not allowed here

I you know I like they they did I think they did it to Mauricio they're like you're not invited

to the event whatever like yeah you you're not you're not allowed here you're business and that

welcome here yeah but their belts were still on the line though because they wanted that undisputed

marketing that's the that's where the messaging is modeled if you are the big dog who's coming in

and kicking down doors and telling people to get out be that don't don't don't sneak in don't

sliver sliver in and then be like okay guys get it you gotta go you're not supposed to be here

it's kick him kick him out the door right away you can't be here yeah you know what I'm thinking

I'm thinking they both wanted to use they both were using each other for some press like Zufa's

using ibf to be like can you believe these guys look at that they want they want their sanction

if they took it they left they're saying we got this but you let him get you let him come in

the door and then you're the ibf and and the ibf's like you know what we're gonna fly there

yeah we're gonna put them on the defensive we're gonna make them kick us out

and then they're the one like they're staring as a stare down they're staring at each other

and Zufa's like yeah I guess we could go through with this and then i'd be like shit now we're

gonna go through with this and then Noah we were disrespected even though the belt was on the

table he was holding the belt the guy does that the the next day weigh in which I feel like

as a way for them to just keep it going and say hey like next week like can we figure out a way

to work this out where I can still be the ibf champion it was such a mess and like both sides

I believe truly that we're playing each other and I just couldn't believe that Zufa wants to come

in with Dana white Nikon kind of be you know the bullies of boxing now they could have really put

their foot down and made a big-time statement and that you're gonna be gangster there's be a gangster

you know like don't don't don't don't half half way it do you think it was because they didn't want

to piss off opataya like their prize sign because he's it's if there's one person that's very clear

about all this it's opataya on wanting to be undisputed poor guy is not clear they're not clear to him

apparently apparently the message is not clear to him whether it's not going in the head or he's

not being told and I think it's a combination of the two um that I don't know if he understands

really coming to Zufa means he cannot fight for these belts and he cannot be undisputed um because

again the messaging is is very confusing Dana said he's gonna be able to fight for the belts

and but now all of a sudden ibf is out so what what are we doing we need to we need to we need

we need clear cut rules and that's the thing like this is a new organization these guys are coming

into a whole new sandbox and they're trying to take over but they can't take over right away

and it's going to be an insidious buildup so it's going to take time so there are concessions

being made but in terms of if you're going to be the gangster big dog who rolls into town

be that guy and come into both barrels smoking and we're not seeing that because you got

I feel bad for your opataya for jai because he doesn't seem to understand that this is this is

for real these belts are not going to be available to you anymore you know you've you've decided to

fight for this this this new black bmf looking belt and that's your belt now you're not going to

be able to have a red belt and a green belt and a black belt um and there's not going to be any

golden in your belts anymore you have to fight for the black belt and the ring belt of course um

but yeah it's it's uh i i'm more and more i'm feeling like boxing is high school between

danaway and eddy hernd having a love triangle or a love quadrangle at this point um still

in each other's girlfriends you know putting out events to put to shove in each other's faces

and uh ibf and and and zufa waiting to the last minute to make big scenes and to get more

likes and clicks it's it's very high school right now and uh it's it doesn't seem like the way

business is supposed to operate but here we are it's also a lot of egos man power yeah

disruption power disruption egos like ibf has been doing that thing for a while they actually

got in trouble a couple of years back uh with all sorts of stuff like wbc they're all used to

doing stuff their way we get flowing in we get a hotel suite we we walk into the ring i'll

belt get shown off when we do this forever because this is what we're used to this is how it is

then zufa comes in and says no no we're trying to switch the whole game up and then you're just

power place power place egos and who suffers uh the fighter uh joe tyah who's not i'm not going

to say he's completely innocent because you know christ you can attest to this like you're the boss

like you need to take control of your damn career like because he's looking to kind of like

foolish at times now when he's up in there in the ring and he's talking about i want to be

undisputed and they're literally peeling a belt off of him that uh he's going to be stripped he's

got a zufa belt that means absolutely nothing he's got a ring belt that he could potentially be

stripped because he hasn't fought a top five opponent in the last two years and he's talking about

i want to be undisputed like bad point as a fighter do you need to start being like okay uh what

are we doing here like team why was there no question about that in the post-fan interview how do you

feel about the bells how do you feel about our hope it's happening right now yeah but like

in the ring immediately after is when you're supposed to do it like max's job is to do that

but it backs out of the clear agenda going into that but that's that's that is exactly my point in

why are it's too obvious you got it you got to you got to you got to mask the agenda a little bit

HBO didn't do that you don't do that the post-fan interview was something i'm gonna watch that again

because that was like to do if they're talking to walls one guy had one guy had had a script to read

and it didn't matter what the other guy said he's got to go through the script he's got to hit

every point in the script and he there was that that that they would nothing came out of that

conversation at all that's not the way it's supposed to be and that is why there is a problem

when it's all in one place HBO was a network there was there was there was the promotion who promoted

the fight they brought it to the network the network air it at the network with question the fighters

afterwards and you would get some uncomfortable questions and answers because of that reason

Larry merchant where are you oh my god he would he would make guys so uncomfortable in fights i

would i would have been terrified to get interviewed by Larry merchant at the refighted i just got

punched on my skull and this guy's gonna ask me some hard-hitting questions so grimly but that that's

the problem with this all-in-house situation it becomes way too obvious that there is an agenda

and there is a narrative and it has to be upheld it's slimy it doesn't feel good it's not the way

it's supposed to be we're not getting the truth so i um i really that was very disheartening for me

i didn't i really didn't like that interview yeah no i really hated it because you're right it is

disheartening because it's like open talk i can't help but feel for him even though i just i just

said how he should take his more control of his career and like you can't be that like you're not

dumb but you can't be that naive i should say because it's very clear you guys just want to go in

their fight let them manage to do their things let the promoters do their things so you can go and

focus on on just the fights and he's sitting in there just you know going through a grues a very tough

fight tough trying to listen 12 rounds is tough i would a guy like right it's a tough that's a tough

night i don't care how i don't care how many how many rounds you won it's a tough night he's talking

about i want to be honest we don't want to fight the best i want to be the best and then you have

max coming in there with a legitimately you are the best you're a corporation like you

he had it like it's almost like he went to like like he got a note from corporate which is like

pretty much what it was tko um like this is this is it like dude we don't no no like that that's

the whole point is like that's what they started saying at the beginning of the show too it's like

no there's a lot of other champions out there but this is the difference between us and the

rest of them is like we don't need a belt to let you to for you to know that appetize the best

in the division give me a break there's other guys there's other guys in here like to and he did

i will say this for max he did bring up an avidas and uh exerto because i mean those are it's a

top those are the top three right now i have to increase the weight you're not going to be a star

otherwise if you're not beating the top the best guys in the division every every cruiserweight

who has become a star every cruiserweight who has gone on to the heavyweight division and be

actually become known because no one knows cruiserweights right the every one of them who has gone

off the heavyweight and become known had to have fought really good fighters usek beat a bunch of

really good fighters gassiev uh you know there was daughter close was in there at that time there

were really good guys that were in there that were in that group that they all they all fought

each other and usek was the guy who beat everybody beat beratis as well they actually had a really

tough fight with beratis um so no a vander do i moham and kwa weed those fights were amazing

goes up the heavyweight for opataya to be the star that he is destined to be he's got to fight

mccaleon who's a who's a titleist that's the only reason he's being named because he is a

titleist otherwise we wouldn't really care about him and then you got to fight the winner or

maybe whoever stays a cruiserweight after zerdo and bette beat is i'm gonna i'm gonna go on record

i think bette beat is beat zerdo yeah but i also okay i agree but and i also think that

bette beat is will stay there if he can if they can make the opataya fight because you cannot

depend on bival or better be of right now true that's a good point because they're out doing

their own thing like they want to fight again in in russia with it to hold it from billionaire

behind it but i totally agree with what you're what you're saying here is like that i'm fighting

cruiserweight yeah you know what he should do is fight mccaleon at fwbc and and obviously he's the

ibf champion opataya even if they strip him go fight uh the wbc guy next and win that title uh

and or just win that fight and then they didn't you're not technically unsputed but like in the

minds of the of everyone else like you you are uh but the only mind that matters i think the only

mind that matters is jai i don't like i don't know if you know like it's right the fans will

understand like he just like he still is the ibf you got to beat those other champions though otherwise

yeah but i think he's got to fight them he's got to fight i agree like also like like like like

like max saying no no you're in dispute in our eyes no you're not you got to beat those guys

that's a crazy line when there's two legit stars that are fighting in two months and even even

if you're even if you're not a star you got to beat mccaleon you got to beat that guy he beat

badu jack he's a linear champion you got to beat that guy there's a guy with a belt in your way class

and he beat the champion it wasn't on it wasn't a vacant belt he beat a champion you have to beat that

based on appetize performance do you think he can take on a zirto and a benavidas

so on performance alone i think he would have a lot of trouble in both fights and but in terms of

who he is um i think he would be favored in both even even the benavidas which is what i think

again i think benavidas is better than zirto um i think they're gonna have a hell of a fight and

they're gonna they're gonna tear each other limb from limb and it's gonna be a great fight because

zirto is a dog um but i want to see i want to see opatia if i bolted those guys regardless of

who wins i think i because i i can see how zirto would give opatia a lot of trouble i've said

that the last time i watched zirto but if waiting for billium smith i go man i really want to see

this opatia fight because i see how the pressure and body punching and aggression because we saw

aggression tonight made opatia back up all night long you know he didn't there was no time where

opatia was like i'm the boss i'm gonna come forward i'm gonna back you up he didn't do that tonight

he couldn't glant it was too strong so you got a guy like zirto you're not back in zirto up either

he's gonna be defeated and he throws a ton of punches same thing bad benavidas is is zirto but

better he's just he's just he's he's similar he's big he throws like he and throws way more

punches he's i think he's way smarter with his punches um i think he hits harder to the head not to

the body zirto's a very good body puncher um he's got a much better jab yeah zirto zirto i think it's

just i mean i'm excuse me benavidas is like zirto 10 and a 10 you know like he's he's a better

version of him um except he's not a south ball so i i think both guys would have a lot of success

though but i i think opatia has to dig deep to win both those fights if he is to win both those

fights because you might not i mean this is why you're not you're not in the speed to do you

you got to beat those guys because i can see zirto beating opatia i'm not saying he would but

you got to beat though you got to beat that guy if i don't see zirto opatia there is no one

to speed a champion accrues way simple simple as that you can't just declare you're on

disputed you have to beat the other guys in the way class there's there's a there's a the

michelle on is a champion but there's zirto and betavidas it really is zirto because betavidas is

coming up and wait he's coming into the weight class he kind of stole that that that fight

from opatia that's the fight they need to happen is opatia and zirto because listen you ask me

who are i think even if betavidas beats him if betavidas decides to stay accrues away then you

have to fight betavidas but betavidas you're gonna throw a ton of money at them

absolutely in which case you you got to fight that guy you know and then like

say now now there's a new there's a new player in town if this guy becomes accrues way and stays

accrues way you got a new player regardless i think if betavidas wins they're gonna get you can't

be the guy you cannot be undisputed if you don't fight everybody that is what undisputed means

you're fighting the other champions if you have other guys in your orbit who can say that

their champions in your way class you're not as speeded i don't care what maxkelement says you

have to fight that i can't believe that that interview is pissing me off more and more

yeah and i see more people tweeting about it right now like max has his own definition of

undisputed okay go ask go ask go ask zirto okay don't don't disrespect someone like zirto who is a

very good fighter and is a three division world champion and has a title in this way class and

has a stake to the claim of being the best cruiserweight in the world because it's not like it's

not a foregone conclusion guys have to fight that's why we fight so yes do i think

gyopatias the best cruiser in the world yep 100% i do but i got to see you fight zirto

remira's if you're going to say you're undisputed because i don't think i don't even think jai

would say he's undisputed i don't think he's no he's he would say he's the man he's talking about

bells he wants to fight the best in the world he's talking about other fighters he is a is a real

champion he's a warrior he wants to fight the best he wants to prove himself which the only

place you can prove yourself in boxing is in the ring um so until he fights those guys

now you're there is no there is no cruiserweight king it's pretty cool that there's such good

options too it's like i've he said cruiserweight's a division that has never really had like

formidable stars as a reason why everyone like these guys leave it it's a springboard to

heavyweight it's a light heavyweight has had a lot more prestige cruiserweight hasn't but right now

it benefit as zirto opatia that's a damn good like you know round robin right there because i

do think if if bendivitas should beat zirto right deal would you not a hundred percent but he

should but like i think he would but that's not but at that point if i know it's how it works but

like he's the favorite and i think we all could say that okay if if bendivitas gets past zirto

bendivitas can obviously go back down to to light heavy but i think that the ring zufa that

whole machine is going to throw a bunch of money at bendivitas because they can make bendivitas

opatia and that could be one of their big events and then we're even closer to an undisputed champion

or what we can even get close to these days for undisputed but it is still pbc now

yeah he's fighting on pbc good good luck making that fight then i know because that's a whole

another that's a whole another mess right there that's a lot of can of worms i don't think it's

weird you have your prized possession your prized signing opatia his message is so clear

undisputed and then you have the promoter no i this is on to hurt this is boxing in a nutshell

it's absolutely ridiculous to watch this play it's absolutely that's why i honestly almost

i was checked out this weekend of this i bf story because i just had enough like i just did not

care enough to get in the middle of it who's right who's wrong it's just i just want to watch

fights i i got into this sport in media game to watch fights and react to them

less and less we're talking less and less less and less we're talking about fights

we're talking about the high school drama that is surrounding the fights now it's it's

and you're doing this these lives five days a week the it's like how often are you actually

talking about fights very little very 20% 20% 20% what other sport is that

it's not getting rather fighting man it's not it's uh yeah i mean this it gives us plenty of

content to talk about but and that the sport is healthier when we're talking about fights i think

we should i think we're gonna get big fights we're gonna change the name of this this this podcast

and we're gonna go inside litigation no no no we're gonna go old school we're just gonna go old

school fights we're gonna go it's so we're all okay look we should do pretend it's like 1999

and treat every week the week in 1999 or 19 like in the 90s we're gonna get ready for

De Lauria Trinidad fight of the millennia we're gonna Shane Mosley is ripping through the lightweight

division arterio goti is a is a star yeah that's that imagine those they imagine could you imagine

if we were doing a show in the late 90s when Floyd was coming out of the amateurs as the Olympics

De Lauria was at the height of his of his powers us uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

uh uh terro goti was knocking guys heads off on boxing after dark uh what what a what a time

ESPN Friday night fights Mickey Ward was knocking guys out to deliver manual Augustus was coming

on to the scene come on it's it's it's at its worst right now in terms of the the pettiness

and the business side I don't see it getting any better anytime soon to like there will be good

fights coming up like we do have fights starting in like you know mid march and then right into April

so I I always hold that hope that but um the last couple of weeks have been brutal like loss

we're talking about lawsuits we're talking about uh the virtual golden boy situation we're talking

about the zoo you were talking about going back to school for for law you're gonna go like you're

gonna go law school I already have a lawyer went for eight years I can do another eight

yeah but yeah you got a liberal arts degree in eight years isn't a little different then

well well different uh it's not going to end anytime soon either because uh we're talking more

lawsuits Dana White as we speak it's up there on the stage talking about how he's going to

sue the ibf and on the docket for what added on the docket another lawsuit baby for what we're

boxing lawyer what yeah you're making money right now pat englishers of the world there's like three

of them then they all use the same ones if if Alex don't breath if I could do it all again

I would have went to law school instead of pre-med like I was I was going to go to the medical route

and I obviously decided not to I was pre-med and then I went instead of taking the MCAT and going

off to medical school I decided to be a boxer um I should have gone to the law route I probably

would have made it to actually taking the LSATs and and gone to law school and probably still could

have fought but um yeah I guess a chill time right I can go back to school I got time do you still go

back well we can do the podcast that might be my retirement all right everyone that is our

episode it is the late here on the east coast we'll have it out for you uh we'll be back on Thursday

with uh more news in a way versus Nakatani like come on we got in a way Nakatani we got in a way

Nakatani got to dedicate a whole episode no drama run anyway never drama run anyway that guy is

all business I can't wait for that uh MVP announces a deal with ESPN which we bring boxing back to ESPN

and we'll get into all that on Thursday's episode uh we're gonna keep our eyes also on all the

nonsense that's going on with the the belts the six belt era we're in the six belt era baby

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