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In part 2, we start to understand the severity of Andrea's postpartum depression - an illness that went untreated so long that it developed into a psychosis. And even after she recovered from it the first time and she and her husband Rusty were warned that it would be worse if they had any more kids, they went ahead and had their fifth. Many questions swirl around Rusty and his insistence that they continue to reproduce. And only when Andrea's attorney is finally able to make the connection between her mental illness and her religious indoctrination is a jury able to see her crime for what it was, a perfect storm of coercion, depression, and a desperate attempt - as backwards as it sounds - to save the souls of her children. YEAH IT'S A LOT FAM. PLEASE COME HOLD OUR HANDS AND SCREAM WITH US.
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Hi, Julie MacLevalli. I love Patrick Hines. So fam once again
This is episode two of our coverage of Andrea gates to cope behind the killer
This was on the patreon last week. This is our regular episode this week. Yes
I think we need to tell them about before we start just like Sam old Sam old
It's a party over on the patreon. We have a YouTube. We have a discord YouTube is 230 subscribers go watch us go watch this episode on YouTube
So we're gonna dive in we're like halfway through the second episode of the series
So we're gonna do the second half of episode two and then all of episode three in this app. Yeah, and reminder
If you were screaming at us last episode
We're gonna do like a recap of what they left out at the end of this. Yes, I guess you want to bring the fam up to speed
Well, everything's a mess. Honestly, like there's really no other way to slice it like we're with Rusty gates
Who's Andrea's husband and David the yuppie who's a former cult member and Moses who was born into it?
And he's a former cult member. He's an adult now, but he was a kid and so everything everyone's families are falling apart
Andrea was told do not have any more kids your postpartum is gonna come back worse and like stronger for lack of a better term
Yes, and they had one more after yeah, and also like I don't know shit about shit like I've obviously
I'm not like making a joke like no experience with postpartum depression. I never will yes
I know that it looks different for so many people like I'm not an expert here
But like I'm just repeating what the doctors are saying and it's like her
Andrew's postpartum depression was exacerbated by so many other factors in her life. Yeah, including this fucking cult
Yeah, so we're we're back with Rusty and Rusty is being very clear to us
That he's had no communication with Michael Andrea has now
We also learned that Rachel Michael the cult leaders wife is writing letters to Andrea. Did you see how she signs it?
She signs it. Oh Michael servant Michael servant. How insane. So I'm gonna start sending my letters to you serving like Jesus Christ
Please don't I'm I know what happened to Satanically infested
I know that's exactly exactly so November it's November 2000 Mary Yates is born so this is Andrea Yates is fifth child
Fifth child and again, she was told not to have another child for her safety and the safety of the children. Yeah
So Andrea is communicating with the cult leader and Rachel and like she's also not taking the medication
No, and like as predicted by the doctor her symptoms have come back and they're worse. They're worse
She was just staring blankly ahead had a scissor leg picking at her hair not saying anything
So I called around to try to see a psychiatrist. Oh, yeah, we got an opening six weeks. I'm like we don't have six weeks
You know, I didn't know what to do. I'm like, who do you call?
She's suffering and no one's helping her and the cult is just telling her to quote look to Jesus
And I'm like well, I heard an audio cassette an hour ago that said that there was no Jesus. Right
So where like and also like we get sprinkled in in the second half of this series that like Rachel is writing these letters to her
And not only like pretty much blaming her for her own like depression that she's in
But this is where we start to get the nuggets of like
Fix your children your children must be saved or they're gonna burn in hell and you're gonna burn in hell
And it has to happen before they're 12. Yes. What do they call it the age of what? I don't know age of accountability
Jesus Christ they're K age of accountability
These is gonna be 12 in two weeks. She's not accountable girl. I was gonna say accountability is should
Exactly so David the yuppie he dumped his fiance. He's still heartbroken over it
Yeah, he quit his cushy job that he worked really hard for and he was proud to have and now he is living in the woods
Obsessing over Michael and his quote teachings now
This is what David has decided to do with his life because Michael told him the reason you can't get married the reason
You can't you have not had a divine intervention from God and so that's why he goes into the mountains to like
Obsessed over Michael's tapes to obsess over all the pamphlets and he's terrified of the world around him
Again, just a reminder. We do this all in one sitting. Yeah, so it feels like I'm repeating myself, which I am
But in case you are like it's been a week since you've heard us talk about this. Yeah, this all happened through the mail
Yeah, they were not in person. They were in different states. So these are all like cassettes and letters. Yeah
David is spiraling and is so terrified of the world around him that he has isolated himself into the woods
I would just pray and ask God. You know, please give me light. God, you know, I want you
Every night my big bagging
pleading
Please open my eyes
But there was no divine encounter. Does that point I started shutting down
He is now suicidal and he literally says I would just pray and beg and plead to God for a divine encounter
He's alone in a cabin in the woods
begging God for a divine encounter. Look, can't you just fake a divine encounter and imagine what would happen
If like this should scare you because it was happening in the 80s over the mail. Yes
Like there was time to decompress kind of yeah, like this should scare you especially in the age of the internet
Like what is possible and how vulnerable people are oh
You know what I mean? Yes, so David
Thankfully, obviously does not do this yeah, but afterwards things are pretty dark because he describes it
He goes I had clinical depression. I had spiritual depression like can you imagine? No, but that's the thing like
He sat there in a chair with a gun in his mouth and by the grace of God
That's your divine intervention David the fact that you did not pull the trigger right is your is your message from God
And then he says something
chilling he goes
Like what would happen like can you imagine if something crazy like that happened he goes oh wait
There was someone who had both of those things her name was Andrea gates
That's right. Yeah, and he kind of says it in this really biting tone of like this was happening
Clearly, yes, this is what was happening and the marriage of the clinical depression and the spiritual depression
That's what he's talking about. That's what Andrea Yates suffered from right and postpartum and
In my opinion an abusive home life. Isn't it so wild that like at the time that this all happened
Nobody Oprah
Any but no like because Oprah did a whole show on this nobody
Asked why nobody took a minute what will meet the one person who did in a minute the writer who wrote the book on this case
But like everyone just accepted that she was nuts that she was crazy that she was evil. It was easier
Nobody scratched below the surface. It's easier to discount
Someone like that is crazy because you can't imagine yeah, I mean anything like it. I feel better knowing
I'm glad to know the reason and there were read to me you can clearly
See point a to be to see we didn't just like wake up here. No way. No way, but like but the public didn't of course
You know, yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying like when we were teasing this these episodes in the last last week or two weeks to go down
15 minutes to five minutes ago time. Yeah, yeah, construct
But like it was like very much like the hot coffee case in this in the sense where everyone was like what a fucking idiot
Of course that liquid's gonna be hot, but it's like no, no, no, can you wait a second? Yeah, hold on
I keep thinking about time you're hurting and you know, there's so much. There's like just so much here
And this is one of those big cases where if you just again like you're saying ask a freaking question. Yeah
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So we learn that Andrew's brother and Rusty have to carry
Andrew yates to a mental hospital and then they drop that in there and we will get back with that because now
We have to see this video of Michael the cult leader
As Satan wearing some spirit Halloween cape and red horns and a stupid mask and a wig
Because what's happened is David isolated in a cabin five minutes ago
He was sitting in a chair with a gun in his mouth litter. I'm not making a joke about it
He reached out to David to let him know how spiritually low he was for help
For help to his spiritual daddy literally yes, and instead of calling him going to see him like letting him know though
Everything's gonna be okay. He sends him a video dressed at Satan doing that Satan voice like that
But it's like a deep tough guy voice because he's telling him the wrong
As you must stop and change what you're doing no reason for you
To have to some awkward
I'm comfortable feelings of change
No, no, you're just not man enough like you're just not man enough to be able to handle all of this
You're just not man enough to get a divine message from the Lord
And so David starts to see the devil in his everyday life
Can you imagine this fucking cult leader on set? Oh my god
Well, it was also like a Halloween town caught you know, you know, it was a spirit Halloween kid
It was so awful, but I mean how insufferable he'd be like Rachel
Oh, yes, the lighting is a good first of all the lighting sucks. It's just so it's like you want to laugh at it
Because you're like how are we here?
But that should be like oh, we're here. We're in this part of the program
I just can't imagine the isolation of David in the middle of nowhere having quit his job
And like the part that gets sort of glossed over they talk about it for a second he loved that woman
And she was there for him saying you have to snap out of this. Yeah, he's crazy
You're not I'm not like we can't just I love you the tapes, you know, right like let's do this
Let's do this life for real the life that like David pretty much had yeah a lot of ways
And it's funny because I keep thinking about how like cult leaders want to isolate their their victims or whatever
And like Michael wasn't there to isolate him
But he was able to isolate him anyway. I know he was able to get him to like self isolate
So after David's like I really need help Michael wants to meet with David the upie to talk shit about Satan
And all of this like impending violence and destruction
So we learned that David as a friend this guy Richard who we grew up with together and they they got into this cult together or whatever
their frapper others their frapper others to like they like David doesn't tell anybody except for Richard about this meeting with Michael
And Richard is gonna go with Michael to this meeting now David says I thought because I wasn't progressing
He was coming to my aid you know less like a spiritual doctor
And I envision spending hours with him in a park or someplace quiet
But what I found peculiar was a place he chose to meet
A McDonald's restaurant
He wants to meet in a McDonald's and then berate these two
Scream over a couple of McGrittle scream. Yeah, it's like sir. This is a Wendy's only it's a McDonald's yes exactly screaming
Yeah, and this is the first time they've seen each other since 1987
This should has been going on through the mail for like 13 years
And further record when they saw each other in 1987 they didn't meet like David saw him like quote preaching on campus at his school
They never talk. Yeah, this is the first like face to face conversation. They've ever had David's like
I thought we were gonna should talk Satan not like have you scream at me about how I'm worthless and like how
Dare you start to talk about the Wizard of Oz. I mean Michael is comparing what David is going through to the opening scene of the Wizard of Oz
He says you're caught up in the winds of delusion. Now the good news for David is that according to Michael
There's some hope for him Richard not so much
Michael is berating this guy over a crispy diet coke about how worthless he is
Full of coke if you're me. Yeah, full of coke. He'll never be saved. This guy's gonna burn in hell no matter what he does
Richard walks out of that McDonald's suicidal. Yes, he wasn't I don't think before but now he maybe he was like
Oh my god David like cult leader. I need your help. Yes, but he walks out of that meeting suicidal
He scared me and I was emotionally exhausted
Because it took everything I had to convince him to not do it now
And he's my friend. I loved him. He was my childhood friend
And I know he's gonna do it because I know how he feels. I know I know what he's under
After hours and hours of breaking down with David the yuppie David talks him out of it because he was like I was there a week ago
Please don't do this. He literally like David's describes the scene
He's like Richard showed up in my house in the middle of the night to tell me that he was gonna go kill himself
This was not a question. This was not to be discussed
He was just letting him know the end is here and I'm gonna go do it because he's too worthless to live
Yes, because he can't do all of the things that he's supposed to do the reason
He's so upset and depressed as his own fault like that's what this guy is screaming at them
Yes, that you're worthless and you deserve to die and Richard's like we'll fuck it
And like all of this is a precursor to the yates kids being murdered
This is what this man is doing. He's teaching you that if you if you can't get saved or whatever
You're gonna burn in hell, but there's also no way to get saved and David thankfully saves his friends life Richard does not go through with it
Yes, we talked the Moses for a second his parents have gotten divorced
The mom got the kids the dad got the bus and Moses has to sneak onto the bus to get like to steal the tapes
And so he tells us about this trip where they like go back down wherever Michael's family lives
Florida and Florida and they're now out on the street preaching again
And Moses is saying like this was the first time I was old enough to be embarrassed
This was the first time I was old enough to see the looks on people's faces as we were doing this to be perceived as they say
You know that people are like oh my god look at that crazy family and like he doesn't say this here
But like this is where it's like starting to crack from Moses a little tiny bit
But like as far as we know he's the only member of his family who ever had any thought that like what's going on here as all fuck I hope his sister is okay
I hope so I hope she's so friends with that girl from camp. I know
So back with Andrea Yates. She is now spent two weeks in the hospital and
Her insurance has run out apparently and so she is now home. Can I just say to Rusty says
Andrew is the sickest patient in that building. I mean you can just tell she was like not hardly moving not responsive
Not communicative when she came home. She was completely out of it
I didn't know it at the time but Andrea was having visual hallucinations
auditory hallucinations and it led to the delusions she had of having the devil in her
And it gets to the point where she thinks that the devil is inside her in her mind and her body and her soul
And it ends this episode the second episode ends with Moses saying look
I know it sounds crazy, but I totally get it and I totally get
What she was feeling what she was hearing and I completely understand how she got to a point where she did what she did
And I want to say we see a video of the funeral and like the thing that
The where I started crying for like the fifth time today is we see the caskets. I know and the caskets are so small
You can't believe it. I was shaken by the visual of the coffin. I know
I was shaken by how small they were yeah, how few people it took to carry them. I know how many
I know I know five and like rusty. I know that I know I know we hate him
But like he had to give five eulogies in one day and like what Moses is saying is in
Andrea's mind
She did what she was supposed to do. She was saving her children. She was making the ultimate sacrifice
She didn't want to do this. She had to do this because once again and we'll get more into this in the episode three of this
Which is what we're about to get to now like
The religious teachings taught her that if she could not make her children saved by the age of 12
They were all going to burn in hell and the reason she was feeling like Satan was inside of hers because they weren't saved yet
Right and the other thing too to add and Moses gets into this a lot is it's not just about not burning in hell
It's about how amazing heaven is I guess, but it's weird. I haven't heard anything about that in any of these cassettes
It's that there is no salvation or maybe he's saying there is no salvation if yeah
You don't get your shit together, but like nothing seems nice or lovely about anything of these teachings
It also can't go unstated that only eight people were getting into heaven and like the the michael's family was eight
So like that the urgency for her kids to get to heaven first was also weighing on her yeah
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Okay, so episode three is called revelation and this is where we just very quickly learn exactly what Andrea Yates did
She drowned her children one by one in the bathtub. Yeah, and so this is when we meet Susie Spencer
I think it's important that we learn that before we meet Susie. Yeah, Susie Spencer's also a name you'd like you change your name too
Like Susie Spencer. That's like a comic book character, but she's a superhero
Susie Spencer. She works for like the
Whatever yeah, yeah, so she's the author of a book called breaking point and she before she knew anything about this case
She was like I'm gonna write the book on this because this seems crazy when I was researching my book breaking point
I was starting to get hints that no
She wasn't this horrible evil person that was on the news
Her neighbors were saying she was a people pleaser and she was a caretaker and everyone said what a great mom
I was getting a totally different picture of Andrea
The news has her photo everywhere. It's like this evil calculating
Coniving evil woman and the neighbors are like no, she was a great mom and she's really nice
What is the next sentence in that article? You don't mean like what what's the reason like she was just crazy
She was like a bloodthirsty insane woman. That's just crazy
Who out of the blue did this her own husband is out there to the press to every camera
You can see like this wasn't her fault that's on who that was like she's not that woman
Well, that sells more papers that gets more viewers that gets more and it's legitimately all I knew about this case
You know, it's easier. I think to like oh, she snapped. Oh, I'm crazy. That can't be me
But I mean the Susie's getting the scoop. You know what I mean like because I like outside of like humanizing Andrea
And coming to an understanding about like how dangerous these kinds of cults are
It's a much more interesting story to learn the nuance of all this right and so but someone
Sends Susie letters. Yeah, someone sends her the letters from the cult Michael and Rachel to Andrea
And I get the sense that Susie still doesn't know to this day who it is and now Andrea was pouring everything out to these people like her
English her loneliness and there was
To Michael and Rachel in the cult and they were not helpful at all. No, it was fear. It was manipulation. It was everything
Andrea was doing wrong and like she's possessed by the devil and there's no hope for her
They were encouraging her to do this horrible thing and that's exactly right because they're they're also talking about the kids
Then if you don't manage to save your kids Andrea
You know you're gonna burn in hell and they're gonna burn in hell with you like this
This idea was put in her mind by these people and it's like how bad do you want this to be Andrea?
Yeah, get ahead of us now by the way the only way to get ahead of it is to just keep beating your fucking kids
I mean, you know like that that that's literally the only avenue she has
To make her kids saved or whatever and we are told that there is no evidence of that there are people witnesses that come that like
Susie meets or whatever that say like she wasn't abusing them in that way no that people weren't witnessing that yeah
So Michael the cult leader is all over the news and so like once he's on the news all the like co followers are just like wait a second
They send the video of Michael doing that Satan cosplay. Yeah thing to be like no no no this is this is who this guy really is like
dig deeper keep looking into him which is wild because this is where we get David
David is watching a talk show with Susie the writer here's the thing I can do you know what happened to be you know
You know what he did to my life, but it just when it hit me like oh no this angry yates
Was so pressurized with that struggle for salvation that she had to kill her kids
And that's what's like oh my god
How far can this go
She wasn't evil. This is what happened to her. So we are now jumping to David out of the cult
Yes, and we don't get the story like all like the last we saw David
He was convincing his friend not to kill himself, but we didn't get we don't know how David broke away
I think it's sort of
A little bit implied that he saw this on the news and went oh fuck
Like I think he recognized himself in Andrea and though in the the only way he could as like oh
Well also because David would not have known so David would have known the Andrea yates story
But he would not have known that Andrea was in the cult because like Michael didn't share that kind of information with people
I guess and I think probably talking his friend out of it like when you like that's why people say like talk to yourself the way
You talk to your best friend yeah nice to yourself say that you know like you can talk around someone else's anxiety when you're not in it
Yeah, so I wonder if David having to talk his friend off a ledge sort of made him wake up and be like no
We can do this like we deserve to live. I agree with that a hundred percent
But I also think he also just because he was a person in the world knew about this woman who drowned her kids
Was watching a talk show about it and realized like how to a big moment of revelation that like oh my god
She's been suffering the same abuse that I've been like and and David probably in that instant
Like Moses understood why she did what she did because and now realizes he's got to tell people right
Because then Michael the cult leader is all over the news defending
The cult and that's when David's like no, yes absolutely not yes because this David guy can't wait to go on the news
And that was a really stupid move because other people around the country like David doesn't know how many people are in the cult right
So now people are like oh, I know that guy and like my dad or you know my mom or my sister or my whatever
And ratting him out and by the way Moses is telling us that they're remember Moses is related to Michael
Moses's mother is the niece of Michael that they're in the family the cult leader is his great uncle exactly
And Moses is saying like we watched the news coverage like a hawk it was
All through the frame of these people are gonna try to bring Michael down
Michael reached out to my mom initially because like hey, how are you or it was like
oddly nice
It became pretty clear that Michael was afraid
Then this would be pinned on him
So Michael is now in damage control
Michael is now trying to like do PR because Michael who's been horrible to Moses's mother
They've been not in communication for two years
Contacts the mother and is nice to her for the first time ever see needs a favor because he needs a favor
They're like he's saying like they're gonna try to pin this on me and like needs her to be the mouthpiece that like he's a good guy
This isn't on him. Yeah, can you help me out? Maybe don't mention the fact that we were all beating the children
But like yeah, right and don't let
Good guy right exactly like begging someone but also he's saying to her don't let don't let on to the world that I was running around
Telling people that the only way
The that these kids were going to burn in hell yeah, if they weren't corrected like like Michael is connecting the dots and understanding that other people have the
Information that of course she killed her kids because it was the only way to save them and that that teaching came directly from
Michael and the cats out of the bag because Susie's got the letters exactly February 18th
2002 the trial
Wendell Odom Jr. is the defense attorney no relation to Leslie Odom Jr. I know
I'm thinking it
No relation although we are about to be in the room where it happens if you know what I mean well
He's here. Yeah, when those here. Yeah, so he is her defense attorney and he says Andrea Yates on site was quote shocking
He says she had pupils that were giant and dark. She would jerk her head around and be looking at something behind her
I've never seen anyone that men will ill before my life
It was clear
We need to start building an insanity defense
It was clear to me that we needed to start building an insanity defense and in parentheses
He doesn't say and it's not bullshit for the first time in history
I know I'm like I agree. Yeah, and a rare twist. Yeah, I'm like fucking sanity, please. Yes, like we got to help this woman
And I want to like I want a different word than insanity
I know I mean like I want like a woman who desperately needed help into something she absolutely did not want to do
Because she was trying to save her kids because the crazy guy made her do it
And she was driven to it and her husband didn't listen to her
And no one was helping her and they kicked her out of the hospital for insurance and blood end end end end end end
Yeah, I don't think that's too long to say. You know what I mean? It's all worthy. So it's that's why we're off the top
I will take it over insanity like satanically infested
For the win for the win
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Every single person around says that Andrea is a great mother
So when this defense attorney sees
The Andrea in front of him and is hearing from her mother her sister her co-workers all of these people
What she was really like. He's like how okay? How do we get here? We gotta figure out how we got here
Yes, and I want to also say and I think this is an important point
When do we see him talking to the jury?
He's saying she may have known what she was doing was illegal
But she did not know that it was wrong like it cannot be said firmly enough. She thought she was saving her kids
Right because to to Andrea
This earthly plane is only for now and heaven is the amp
Happy about this she wasn't happy about it, but she was like she wasn't
Heading them she was helping them in her mind and I do want to say that I personally think being raised in this world is inherently abusive like I
I agree
I don't think anyone disagrees right so like because we hear like she wasn't abusive to them
I'm just saying I think being raised in this world is inherently abusive
It also sounds a little bit like Andrea was kind of in the world of the cult all by herself
Yes, I've got questions about that actually though
Because Rusty now is saying that he had nothing to do with it
It was all Andrea and I don't know how much that is rusty trying to distance himself from culpability
I think it's super convenient for him to say especially when what I've learned about Rusty in these three episodes
So far is his like total disregard for his wife and for women expectation about children isolation of his family
Like it seems like he's kind of a true believer. Yeah, so it's interesting that he's kind of like
I don't know anything about that but it's like okay
Well you also if the love of your life was writing to this thing that you were are distancing yourself from maybe have that conversation too
I'm worried about you. Yeah, it definitely seems like even before the postpartum depression kicked in with her
They were living separate lives in their mayor like Rusty was getting up every morning and going to NASA probably working very late coming up leaving
very early at NASA. Yeah, yeah, engineer at NASA. That's a very hard job to get
Yeah, and to be approved that he was in it for all the wrong way that he was in the cult
For the control is what I think yeah, because if you're surrounded by logic and science
I will say I I find Rusty at the very least to be an unreliable narrator
Yeah, you know
Yeah, and I want I want to reiterate what I said in the last episode
Which was that like when I look at him. I can't not see a man who lost five kids
I hear that and we are you're gonna tell us some really hard gross disgusting truth about him
Wait, and by the way, these are not opinions that Chilean found these are like hardened facts
It's from like the Fordham law review and like actual like court documents. Yeah, yeah
And and I will also say you know
I we could talk in circles about this for hours
But like he does not hold his wife accountable for what she did
He does not want to believe that that what she did had anything to do with her religious
Spiritual depression. He needs it all to be
Us something in her brain that he couldn't do anything about yeah
He doesn't just want it to be both ways. He wants it to be a lot of different ways and that is not gonna work for me
so
During this trial
They don't really mention the cult that much like they don't talk about that because we get the
A verdict because I think in the insanity plea here
I think when dole the defense attorney Andrews attorney is really leaning into the postpartum depression
And trying to glean like trying to make the jury understand how really sick she was and she really was yes
But even when do at this point doesn't fully understand that it's the it's the clinical depression and the spiritual depression
Yeah, so it doesn't work and I think there's still a lot of stigma or a little too
Science-y or whatever people aren't really grasping how dire the situation was the inherent misogyny in that by the way
That it doesn't matter how
How sick she really was it will never be sick enough. Well, she's just being emotional suck it up
Yeah, and I know you're joking
But I really do think that like even though it should be enough for them to describe her symptoms and get her doctors on the stand and how
Like how really truly sick she that should be enough
Oh sure gonna take the magic of the evil religion to really drive this home and when do didn't do that in the first trial
So the verdict
Yes, spoiler there are two trials. So this verdict it takes 35 minutes when you find out why there's a second trial
You're gonna lose your mind there. She's guilty of capital murder and she gets life, but not the death penalty
Yeah, and so David we cut we go back to David the yuppie and he's like after the trial
That was thinking that Michael Warren Ecky. It's not being held accountable. He got a little bad press and all that
But he just marched on and no one knows the real story
Is getting away with it
So I called a local news studio
And told them that I have some information on this preacher
He got a little bit of bad press, but he wasn't really talked about that much
He's back on his fucking freak bus and going around the world with his little kids like yelling at people at shopping mall
And now he's doing the talk show circuit with his wife slash servant Rachel
Which is how she signs the letters everybody and he's lying about every day
He's not ABC with Charlie Gibson defending himself and he's saying because Charlie Gibson brings up David because David is you know
He's saying there's another man who said that you was driven crazy by you too and and Michael is like what that guy
I met him one time in a McDonald's and Charlie Gibson is like no
He said there were stacks of letters, but he doesn't have the proof and it cuts to David
Who's at a table with a thousand tape recordings and it's like five
Thousand letters like that Michael is just lying on national television and getting away with it. Yeah
Yeah, and he is blaming Rusty because Rusty quote didn't
Shepard his wife, which I say number one barf. Yeah, and two
I am of the belief that Rusty is very much to blame
But not for that reason you psycho right. Yes. Yes
So let's talk about Steve the cult leader's friend Steve. I'm gonna tell you right now
We don't really have a lot of time for bullshit. So I'm gonna beg you. Please
Fucking tread lightly and not pull any bullshit right now. I don't need the friend of the cult leader
I'm with you too. What I first saw that I was like you got to be kidding me
This is the prime opportunity to say former friend ex-friend
What the acquaintance of I literally like shifted. I was like Steve. I'm telling you. I know
We do not have time for you know, it's pretty good here. Yeah. Yeah. So Steve says they grew up together
They went to school together
He makes it sound like they have the exact same birthday down to the year and day
It's kind of unclear
The cult leader was a football player a jock and then he shifts gears to being this fanatical preacher
Like again like I've been saying from the beginning he was screaming and violent and awful and let me say too
Steve is the one who tells us he tried to get into different seminaries
But he was rejected for being too fanatical too earnest too
Over the top and so he was gonna make his own way and he did wear that rejection as a badge of honor
He was too evangelical for the seminary too fanatical
So this is not again like let's talk about limiting beliefs and like trade scarves
And now suddenly we're a sex cult when branding and abusing people like no he was this
From day one and Steve is saying that it was when he was rejected by the seminaries
That he had to decide that he wasn't the problem Satan was the problem
Well, they broke up but he broke up with them exactly not saying breaking this becomes the the basis of whatever religious bullshit
He's spouting is that Satan like oh the seminaries are run by Satan
That's why I didn't get in the companies are run by Satan. That's why you can't work for General Mills
It's a bad father now. Yes, exactly and now he alone is on a mission to go out and and warn the world about how to be saved from Satan
And he's screaming at strangers trash goers people at football games people go into the movies like anyone and everyone and he's
Starting it in his hometown and Steve is trying to be like this guy went from being like the cool football
Being like that fucking weirdo at the mall with the sign. Yeah
He says aggressive and obnoxious and things got real awkward when Steve started
Working as a police reporter. I love it. I had to write about the cult leader getting arrested
I took a screenshot of one of these signs. It's one of it's I mean, it's huge
It's like 10 feet by 10 feet and all in different colors. It's like Westboro Baptist. That's like the visual
What does it say? It says your sin nature is driving you to hell come and repent to the living person of Jesus Christ
Not Christianity not church. I mean too much information. Do we not know how signs work?
I mean, he doesn't know how anything works. You got a bumper sticker everything Warneke
Like this is next too long, but like here's the straw that broke
Steve's back or whatever the camel's back. Yeah, Steve is the camel. Oh the shrine circus event
This woman
Tell Steve that Michael basically like got physical with her and quote roughed her up pretty good
We don't get any details about that. I will say it says accosted her verbally
But whatever like this guy's a piece of shit
Well, he said we get this screenshot of this woman saying that like Michael was telling everyone to sell their TVs
And that everyone's a sinner and that this woman's going to hell and to lay down my monetary possessions
And she goes it got to the point where she was in tears
And then we get this like they do that like pan like that zoom over the the uh the text the text
He said he was going to vomit me out of his mouth to which I say
Did he friend to eat her what and then my crazy brain
I have to tell you about this funny line from the soprano. Please. Let me think of give it to me
So Karam is this isn't the late 90s, right iita was on Broadway. Oh, so
Please, I cannot talk about iita. I cannot talk about it
Which never could be with me today everyone's super white and blonde and Egypt apparently
According to Ellen. Anyway, it's the music is so good
It's been my strong
It's got and Heather Hadley and Adam Pascal whatever point is so that was like big at the time
So Tony comes home music was meadow and she's like oh she went out with Jackie junior. She
She's going she's seeing iita and Tony goes. I eat her
Like you missed my ears
iita as i eat her and she's like iita
John musical but that when I said at the end of that show they put them in a pyramid to starve to death and die
And they're happy to do it because they get to be in love
It's a Disney musical. It's like
My god, unbelievable
But he said he was going to vomit. This is how my brain works everyone in case you're wondering like what's it like to be jillian for five seconds
I read the words he said he was going to vomit me out of his mouth and then i go did he friend to eat her
And i can't say eat her without hearing Tony go iita. Oh my god
It's so fucking good when i told Mike about it
He was like, please tell the listeners that story from the sopranos if they don't already know that is it
Of course, Tony's never been to the fucking theater. I know. I needed a chuckle. It's been three hours of this thing
And i was like finally jay
That's my track name. Yeah, I needed a chuckle. Did I tell you about the dry name Steve came up with invocation?
raft of forios
I'm pretty good right because you love orios. Yeah, raft of forios raft of forios. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, that's like kiddie's got claws
It was also sleeve assault teams
I thought you're gonna say sleepless in Seattle
So this woman wants to press charges obviously he wants to eat her and spit her out or whatever
Oh my god
I'm sure that's some like biblical thing that he's co-opting. I just like
I'm not here for this. So she's like I want a full trial
She's like I want to fucking throw the book of this guy. I love it. I love it too
The city's like the city cut a deal with him that he would leave town and that
Was at the start of his world wide tour
Steve's like the problem with that is that that's what like forced him on this world wide tour as he calls it
That's when he bought the fucking bus right
So we also meet Douglas robber to I love yeah another cult survivor. He met Michael on campus again
Why is he allowed to do this on campus here? We are this guy was an avid follower for a year and a half and was like
Fuck that what one day he woke up and he was like oh god that was weird
I like the first time I get a cassette tape in the mail
I'm like I'm not listening to this
I'm ready to go girls to get ready to like because you know what you could do you can just go
Yeah, you can just stop it. Yeah, throw it away or you can like not read it
Oh, but a year later
So he was in the cult like right at the close to the Andrea gates thing
So he's out of the cult and then a year after
Andrea gates is on the news for doing this horrible thing. Yeah, and so Douglas
Let me tell you something
I love this shit so much. He starts a website. Yeah about the cult trying to find others and rescue others and help others
About this false profit. He goes the website says suicidal homicidal divorce depressed or psychotic like I'm here for you
Yes, this shit is exhausting. I love when people do this. You know how much work this is yeah, thankless work
This is like what he says they had thousands of views are contacted by at least 40 other people like this guy is seeing the
Evil that is being done out there in the world and he's saying
This is what happened to Andrea gates. Yes, don't like he's using this for lack of a better term using this story to help people
And do some good rusty take notes. Yes, and so he's doing the good work here
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Kind of like Daisy says it's great, but it's not that important. You know what I mean? Yeah
So speaking of the good work when we Ashley and Hilliard, she's a cult intervention specialist
There's enough fucking cult in the world that we need intervention specialists. I know and we need a lot more of them
We need a lot of that and she's like, yeah, this is a cult like you don't need to be in person to be a cult
This is a psychological prison because David the yuppie finds the website and it's like, oh my god
That's me. Can I work with you? I want to team up like yes. Can we be lab partners?
Yes, and look at Astrid is saying that like this guy puts people in psychological prison
That is where Andrea Yates was because and she's also in prison for the rest of her life because there was a verdict
And then it's over and the trial is done and she's in prison
So all of these people are coming together to say like there's more to this well the good news is
But January 6th 2005. Oh, man. I can't see 2000 January 6th up going like oh god. Oh god. Oh my god
January 6th 2005. I'm like, they don't even know what's happening. I know in years for 15 years
I can't whenever I would think I would see the data's like 2018
I'm like, oh my god. Like two years from now like the whole world's gonna shut down
They don't even know that yet, but in the on this January 6th the conviction was overturned due to false testimony from an expert witness
So it all comes down to law and order because someone testified a state expert claimed Andrea Yates watched law and order
And they have copied a plot where a mother used postpartum depression as it defends for drowning her children
However, it was later proven that no such episode ever existed
That Andrea Yates stole this idea. There's an episode of law and order where this mother drowned her kids in the bathtub
Andrea Yates saw it got inspired and decided to do that
So that sort of negated this like postpartum thing and people were like, oh, she's just crazy
Some law clerk had to watch every single episode of law and order to make sure that that episode did not exist
So the expert witness was the one who three years later was like
I was wrong. There actually wasn't an episode
She did
I'm assuming it's a woman because she's the one who would like admit her mistake and get Andrea Yates out of jail
But it took three years for them to realize like actually that wasn't wrong
You don't even mean that the really fucked up thing to like to to testify to
So yeah, so but thankfully this person came back and was like I
Oh my god, I can't believe I'm saying this
That's crazy
Actually, no, and this was like pre you know 2000 this child was in 2001 or whatever
So like there wasn't really a full on the internet you can find anything you can find the script for that episode two
Yeah, so it took three years so four years or whatever
So now we're in the second trial and we meet Todd Todd is the jury form and he goes
I got the call to be on the Andrea Yates trial and I gasped I was like me too. I was like I can't imagine
But this trial is really really different because the defense knows we got to talk about the cult
We really have to explain that's the thing like even though it's the postpartum
I can't remember the word they use like she was out of her mind even though that should be enough
It was not and when does like bring in the tapes bring in the pamphlets. We got to show them
What this man was doing to what this man got her to believe and Andrea's extended mental health history
Yes, which there is much more than what has been brought up here. Yeah
Then we meet Dr. Philip Brezenek. He's a forensic psychiatrist
He interviewed Andrea Yates then and he's here with us now. Yeah, she was paranoid. She was hallucinating
She claims that she and the children would watch cartoons
The characters would speak directly to her telling her she was a bad mother
Mrs. Yates believed that she was marked as evil
She believed she had
666
tattooed on her head
She felt she was marked by the devil she thought 666 was tattooed on her head. That's Satan was inside her
It's crazy to see her in this because we're seeing the interview that he did with her after she was arrested
You can tell that she's sad, but she felt like she saved her kid. Can you imagine how lonely and terrifying that must be I cannot
To say I feel like Satan is in me right now in every fiber of my being and then reaching out to someone
About it and either having your husband I believe you or having a cult leader right like well, you fucking deserve it
Yes, you know, you have to do like how lonely and scary and terrifying that must be I'll be interested to talk more about her extent in mental health history
Yeah, because she was in so deep. She was in a lot. She was in so deep. Yeah, and so
Now we have to talk about one of the cult pamphlets called the perilous times. Oh my god. Get it
But um, wait, I don't get it where it's like these are perilous times instead of like the New York Times
The Seattle Times it's like the perilous times. Oh god. They're trying to have jokes. I know. I know
Not I'm not on this witch's watch not on this witch's watch
So they present one section of the perilous times and like Todd the jury
Forman is like it's all right there. It's right here every single thing that she believed that made her kill her kids
Is right here in this text that was like sworn to her by her spiritual master
Was like it came directly from God. Mm-hmm. They present the part of the pamphlet that says a child becomes so longer a child
To become no longer innocent
If they're not saved before the age of 12, which is the age of accountability
You're going to hell
And if you had not taken their lives, what did you think would happen to them?
Just say we're gonna continue to don't blame
And where are they undone?
All the kids that I need you that all the men in the room need you to have one after the other after the other whether you want it or not
Now you have to kill them. Yeah, because you only got 12 years to save them. You couldn't do it
That is fucking insane. Yes. That's not what any god wants. That's fucking crazy
So Todd says these trials go by fast in this document very
So Todd says we go to the jury room eight of us believe that she was not guilty by reason of insanity
For believe that she was guilty
So to get into her mind and try to understand if she knew what she was doing was wrong
They request two things they request pictures of the kids
And a copy of the perilous times that they knew was in the house on the day that she killed the kids because remember a trial
They only got to see that one panel of it. It's like an instruction manual. It's an instruction manual
So it's July 26th
2006 and we get the verdict of the second trial
She is not guilty by reason of insanity and you can see the look on her face
She's stunned by this verdict and I think she's been stunned like she hasn't gotten any help yet
Yeah, you know, and like now she's dealing with this horrible thing
And for some shitty reason the documentary doesn't tell us what happened after that. Yeah, so I will okay at the time of the murder
She was suffering on paper like clinically from severe postpartum depression
Postpartum psychosis and schizophrenia those are her diagnoses at the time and this was her going into the trial
Yeah, like when this happened. Yeah, so that's why the not guilty by reason of insanity and it holds up
Yeah, yeah, she's been at curvil state hospital since 2007, which is a mental facility
I would be curious to know what the conditions are like. Is it like a prison or is it more like a hospital?
I read the term like low security. Okay, it's more like a hospital
She has granted a yearly review every annually to see if she can leave and every single year she refuses it
I wonder what the reception for her would be if she was released especially after this documentary
She has never once had a review. She always chooses to continue treatment is the is the word they said
Oh, so she can opt out of the review. Yeah, she went like every year
She can be reviewed and it can be decided if she is like quote well enough to leave and she doesn't even want the conversation
Yeah, she wants to be in there probably to punish herself in her mind
But also like she continues the treatment her defense lawyer says that she talks about her children griefs for her children every single day
She like watches a lot of home videos like she has access to all of that
So she is like sitting with what happened. I can't even imagine she spends her time
Making aprons cards and gifts in the craft room and she anonymously sells them and the money goes to the yates children memorial fund
Wow, which is something that was founded by her lawyer and his wife and dedicated to women's mental health and particularly like post-partum mental health
I donated to it. You should too. It's the yates children memorial fund
But like people are don't like I don't know where she's selling it. I'm dumbfounded. I know
I don't know where she's selling this stuff
But like there are people in the world who have purchased things. Yeah, it's not like oh the angry yates
She's not doing it for that. Right. She's like working as her way of healing or whatever
She's making something and like raising money for this fund to help women
Hopefully like not like her, you know trying to say yes. Yes. Sorry. I'm just like my head is spinning
I know so it's very odd to me that they didn't say they just said like not guilty by reason of insanity
Yeah, but what does that mean? Where is she like what happens? So
That's what's out there. We'll get more about Rusty later, but I thought it was important to say now like where she is
Yeah, I'm just like going
Right by it and back with Rusty who won't even admit that it was a cult
Rusty would say things like Mike had influence, but it was you know
Andrew was psychotic because of her depression
I think that he wasn't aware that other people went through some abuse from Michael
And he won't acknowledge that the cult had anything to do with the murder of the children
He needs it to be the the clinical depression and they hand him this perilous times thing like
But see what like don't you see the connection here? And he sort of pushes it away and goes interesting
Yeah, I'm I'm curious about the the emotional motivation here with him like why he's here for the dog
No, like why he reacts to these things the way that he why he needs it to not have anything to do with the cult
And I just I think that part of it is culpability for him
But but at the same time like I and I we don't have to go over this again
But I just get stuck on the fact that like in order to get out of bed every day
When your five kids are dead
Part of you has to just be dead
Part of you just has to like get it just be stone like we're gonna see this really awkward moment between him and Moses at the end of this thing
Right now well because Moses really wants to connect with Rusty
He wants to say to him and like Moses like I love Moses and I want to go to a comedy show
Like he seems great to me, but he really wants to say to Rusty
I found out what happened with with your family. I was
I was jealous of your kids because they didn't they
It might definitely should have happened. They yeah
No, well, I hate to say it, but I was jealous when your kids died
Because I knew they were going to heaven. I knew where they were going
I knew why she did it and I didn't get to go there. He says I mean Moses says that to us verbatim to Rusty
Rusty does not have the response that Moses wants Rusty is shut down
He is like he is emotionally unavailable. He's not rude to Moses
But he's just not willing to like take it in
Well, I don't think Rusty knew because at the beginning we like see them meet
And this is all that Moses's request. Yeah, and like
Moses thinks imagine being Moses and you're like oh my god finally someone else who gets it
No one else can get it unless you were in it
I don't know if he's met David the yuppie or whatever
But like he thinks that he and Rusty are going to have this like oh my god
Rusty does not want that. He cannot relate. Yeah, and like it's he's very clearly shocked that Moses is like so affected by what happened
Yeah, and this is not what Rusty signed up for
And so Moses wants to be like right so like tell me more about that and really like have this give and take and Rusty
Is like any any agreement or any like quote bonding is so disingenuous from Rusty because I think he's doing what he
Like trying to get like yes, you know give Moses kind of what he wants
But it's not real and we'll never really know what's going on in Rusty's head
But I have to allow for the possibility that Rusty has just been through
I know we're gonna you're gonna tell us some awful things about this guy
But at the same time he sat down to talk to a documentary for god only knows how long about the murder of his like five kids
Yeah, I'm confused about that too and so like my well
But what I'm saying is I think that like he must be emotionally shut down in this moment
And I think because like it's it's a well weird way to end the documentary because it's kind of like
It's there's no emotional payoff here
Nobody really knows what Rusty is thinking or feeling Moses is not getting the emotional responsibility
He wants for his own healing right and then it's over and then we get like on screen text right
Rusty gates continues to work for NASA. Yeah, which should scare you
He has a son from a second marriage. He got married a year
After the arrest David the yuppie is a retired pharmaceutical representative. He lived that yuppie life good for him
He enjoys his time writing and he has a daughter and is living in Houston, Texas
Yes, and your favorite and then this is where we learn that Moses isn't a claimed comedian living in Los Angeles
When I saw that when I watched this for the first time yesterday. I screamed. Yeah, I was like what it's great
Because Moses is like so serious
Obviously like like through it. He's like a great storyteller in this documentary
But then I watch his comedy clips and he's fucking funny
Well, you know, I appreciate this about Moses and David. They showed up to this thing. Yes
You know, they showed up. This is what we're here for yeah, so to date no criminal charges have been filed against the cult leader
And his wife and the cult leader and his wife continue to travel and preach around the world
They have a website that I'm not gonna talk about it. It's absolutely insane. Yeah, let's talk more about Rusty
Okay, it is my opinion that I think you should have been charged with something
I think he's culpable here. Here are some things the doc left out
These sources include papers from the Cleveland state law review and Fordham law school and like quotes from I showed them all to you today
Yeah, like actual documents. Yeah, so this isn't me like no
Just ran me
The timeline of what happened isn't really fully explained in this documentary
Like Andrea had a very well documented history of mental health struggles that Rusty knew about and I think the Fordham law school one
It's an actual timeline month to month of like what she said what she was feeling the medications when she came back
Like not only were they told not to have more children like very clearly
But Rusty was told not to leave Andrea alone specifically because it would lead to tragedy. Yeah, so to see wow like
That they were like not like in the trial the doctors like the the doctors asked like and you said that because of
Yeah, the circumstance like and he was like yes, so
Rusty's bullshit is hard for me to hear when it's like why were you leave?
How can you use a word catatonic and in the same breath be like and then off I went to work
Yeah, I agree 100% when he was told very clearly many times by many doctors
Rusty said earlier that they only talked about children after they got married
Which was weird because I was like that's a conversation you have before you get married, right?
No from court documents the couple confidently announced to wedding guests that they would not use birth control
They wanted as many children as nature would provide within three months Andrea was pregnant with the first five children
That's a quote he also claimed earlier that Andrea was afraid of the negative influence of of school
So that she was pushing for the homeschool and Rusty was like what am I to do? I was overruled
No, the truth is that she homeschooled her children because quote her husband was concerned that the children might pick up bad habits
So he's like now quoting himself, but attributing it to Andrea today in this documentary
And it's like why can't you just say that's what we believed yeah, it's odd to me that he everything is her fault
Everything is her idea just say
This is what we believed you can still believe it. Yes, it's odd like that's why I'm everything is now suspicious
Why are we lying about things like this right and the thing that's really sad is that she was
Andrea was thriving before rusty like she was lively and social when she was growing up
She was the captain of the swim team. She was the president of the national honor society
She was the valedictorian why wasn't any of this in the documentary she was like a highly regarded nurse like she had a thriving
Life like captain of the swim team president of the national honor society and valedictorian
Yeah, that's why didn't we know any of this and she because like and I think it's important to show like what a bright
light she really was because after rusty
She personally Andrea never personally said anything like critical of her husband
But her best friend Debbie Holmes and her mother have described rusty as controlling critical and demanding
Andrea let her husband make decisions for the family her mother and Debbie Holmes said that Andrea lost her identity
Andrews mother says
describes rusty as manipulative and controlling and is on the record saying that rusty pushed her to have the baby
The fifth baby especially knowing that
Tragedy could strike. Yeah, there are like a lot of notes from her. I'm sorry. Thanks for bearing with me everyone
I just think this is really important with you. This is important information
Like notes from her group therapy sessions in August of 1999. She says well, rusty rusty permits her to have a few hours per week to spend as she pleases
It says the group encourages her to assert herself. Andrea expresses a desire to learn how to enjoy herself again
She's feeling stifled and rusty is like fine. You can do whatever you want for like an hour. Yeah
And then the next day August 17th 1999 she says that she wants to be more communicative
But that Russell usually turns on the TV when he's at home
So he's not just not hearing her he's shutting her out. He doesn't want to hear it
You know and like it just it just sounds so lonely. She's struggling and trying to talk about it
And like she's in these group therapy sessions
And then like wants to tell her husband about it and he's turning on the she's in group. This is 1999. Yeah
The most happened in 2000 and so like
The quote there's another quote that says missus yates agreed to Rusty's plan to have a large family and was determined to be a super mom
And she told her prison psychiatrist that after Mary the last their youngest child was born
She told Rusty that she didn't want to have sex because the other doctor was warning her about how dangerous it could be to her and her children
Rusty she said simply asserted his procreative religious beliefs complemented her as a good mother
And persuaded her that she could handle more children and that came from who that came from the notes from her prison psychiatrist
Wow, and the thing that really like I want to hit home because I would just talk around in circles and not say it coherently
From the notes it says I think this is the Ford and law review
It may never be known to what extent Andrew's pregnancies were based on a mutual decision with Rusty
Or primarily a product of Rusty's desire for a large family
A number of people including Andrea's mother and her friend Debbie Holmes suggested Rusty was a dominating force in the yates family
Including the decision to have babies
So there is a major consent issue here that is not being discussed
It is my opinion that Rusty is a liar that he used
Religion to control and manipulate and dominate her. I don't think every pregnancy was consensual
I don't think every sexual experience was consensual
I think he ignored and diminished her mental health he did app like on the record diminish
Ignored. I don't even know if it's a plea a directive from the doctor
I don't know if a doctor could say like you're not allowed to have any more children
But it was pretty clear
What was going on and the timeline is written out you over years
So this whole like only after the fourth child she kind of become a little quiet
That's a lie that is a proven lie in court documents and like I think he was complicit
Like I do I think he was complicit in this and I think that he should have been charged and I resent the fact that he's here
Not doing any good work for so many other women who suffer on a regular basis
And he just like wanted to get married and have more kids as soon as possible and that's what he did
And he got married like less than a year after like a year after and had a kid and they're divorced now
You know thank god for her, but like it's all right there for you
It's the kind of thing that makes you be like then why do we make this documentary? I know or why do we make it the way that we did
And there's a lot more that I didn't mention, but this is a starting off point
If you want to do your research, it is all there for you. These are all public things
I didn't pay for it. This is not behind a paywall
This is all public like 100 page essays like things that are written because this case has been studied
Just like the hot coffee case. Yeah, a lot of books now of like this is something that really happens
Because there are people that don't believe in postpartum depression
There are people who don't believe in the power of cults
You know like yeah, there's a lot of work to be done about this
So hopefully we did our part a little bit today
Well, you sure did
Oh, girl, we did Andrea Yates to call behind the killer. I was not like please don't misinterpret my silence as disagreement
I don't I
I'm my mind is my mind is blown. We're dealing with a bunch of dead kids. That's a hard trigger for me
I and the YouTube viewers have the privilege of seeing you so I knew
Checking out in any way you're so good at that
You really are so good at like getting the receipts and citing your sources and
And but also like managing your thoughts in a way that are like coherent and like makes sense
I tried I was like in it a lot today
I was like letters were flying off my keyboard
I was feeling you know
I had to say it in a way that was like not getting um, I don't know
Maybe this is the misogyny but like not shading it and me just like being angry and screaming
Yeah, I tried to present it in a way that was like you guys should listen to this you nailed it if you're at home
You absolutely now. All right. Tell them what we're doing next
We're going back to smug shot because god damn it. We need a break. God. So this is the
The dolly heist. This is about the Salvador dolly painting. Yes. She loves an art. Hi. So
God damn it. We needed it. We need it. Yeah, I don't know. It's the second it's the second season. It's the dolly heist
I will find the Facebook group. We'll wait. We'll make sure you get it. It's on Netflix, right? It's on
It's on like the Sundance channel. It's somewhere. It's on Amazon Prime. It's like in a few different places. Yeah, I'm exhausted
This is like a palette. This is like a weak palette cleanser for everyone next week. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, let's do let's deal some
Can you imagine if I was like we're in and for my next trip
I'm going to torture you even more. No, we're doing a fucking
Everybody. All right. I'll say
Can I go home now? Yes, everyone take good care of yourselves and the people you love
Please have you know do something go to bed nice and early. What's some shit's creak a little bit of excess?
Oh my god
I'm sitting there with my wife and the baby
And the news is on TV. I'm saying, you know, I'm happy. I'm so proud of my son
I said, friend the baby is beautiful and all that and all of a sudden across the TV goes
Welcome back from Riker's Island, New York City's famous or infamous jail of all places comes word of an art heist as surreal as the art itself. Oh
Shit
I looked at my wife and said, well, I'm happy we have a baby, but I'll see you in about 18 years
I think I'm going to jail
