5 Hobby Market Risk Factors, Top 5 Very Early Non-Matthew Schaefer Series 2 Sales, Insane Magazine Record Sale, Early Expo Autograph Signers Announced, Rookie Deep Dive & Personal Pickups

Today we look at risk factors to the current hobby boom rookie deep dive is back

We count down the top five non-mathieu shafers series two secondary market sales and a whole lot more

Welcome back to episode three hundred and seventy six of the hockey cards gone show podcast presented by our good friends at upper deck

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Baba Louis Baba Louis

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Welcome to the gun show

Drive Mike

What up boys, hello, happy family. How are we good? How's everybody doing good solid over here?

Happy Thursday

Happy Thursday to you happy Thursday. I really hope my son's one yesterday

I'm moved right now, but I feel it. I feel like a four one sends victory was just had

Yeah, was yesterday's game that happened that

Was that a big game for the sense or what was the biggest game of the year really why I'm an emotional wreck

Why doesn't matter what I'm playing the play in the habs

Much better record than us and and auto was just turning it on a little too late here, but we'll see

You've got to say

The happy tongue. Yeah. Oh, I did shimmy shake my neck crack like 17 times. Oh, don't you can't do it

You're gonna hurt yourself again. Stop. You guys you guys need to stretch to stretch every day

Going for your walks they go for walks. Yeah

You stretch before the walk

No, that's great. What a crazy idea not that old like a jet

Okay, Phil

Tomorrow night big night Friday nights of Phil. What's going down big show big show? It's a huge show

We have Alex Toronto mega card collector one of one guy and I know him as Alex

You might know my Instagram is

I'm gonna go on a limb and that's not his real Instagram name. No, it is it's Toronto one guy

No, it's Toronto mega collector one of one. Yeah

Card collector. Anyways, great friend of the show very excited extremely knowledgeable talks almost as much as me

So it'll be a great time not sure if Victoria will be there. I'm not sure

But we do know if she is there she'll be gone at 9.45 that we do know

Yeah, game time. It's gonna be heavily hard in heavily card influenced. I need I need the hobbies help

And yeah, we have a good culture good good chat family there on Friday night

So I'll be showing a bit about my collection showing some vulnerability

And asking for guidance

This is a new vulnerable fill on Friday nights of Phil

It's really like puppy dogs and ice cream and squishy and cuddly. Well life is short. We get one

Yeah, that's what I believe anyways, and I think I feel it's half over so I want the last half to be fun

I want it to be full of puppy dogs and ice cream

Sprinkles with sprinkles see to believe in reincarnation. I do not I don't know where the line stops

Right like bacteria is alive. Do you want to come back as a fungus? I don't you'd for sure come back as a Leafs fan

I don't get the reincarnation freaks me out. I'd love to come back as another human

But what if you come back as a carnival goldfish?

Listen nature nature is not a Disney movie man nature is not beautiful. It has beautiful parts, but it's it's pretty ruthless

Right, so you either come back as a leaf fan or an inert object like coffee mate

Yeah, well, I don't think that's alive

Maybe a tardigrade or something out in space forever

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Yeah, I don't think I laid one bet

The tide the tides have changed. Yeah, I think the money rules college football now whoever pays players the most money

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Okay, Louis. Are you ready with the game plan? I'm always ready fun

Starting off with gets to know your Hall of Famers

Then it's rookie deep dive

After that we'll get into some hobby news

And then it's five biggest risks to the booming sports guard market

Josh went nerdy on this one

And then we'll get into some top five early non-shafer series two sales

And then a personal pickup

Because I'm the only real

Collector on the show are you are we are gonna get started like we always do it

They're get to know your Hall of Famers series

We're on a mission to profile every single hockey off a player that's ever lived

We started with the very first Hall of Fame class

Which was inducted in 1945

And have since been working our way to the present day

Today's Hall of Fame player we're gonna profile is Bill Gadsby

Phil what's your fill Bill Gadsby moment

Oh

When he was great the great Gadsby the great Gadsby I thought that too

No, that's I think spelled differently

Of course that's Gadsby with the T

Wonder if he was in the jazz, you know

Did you guys like that book? I know I found that very hard to get through. I don't read in high school

I think but I don't remember it

Well, he's one of your isn't he some

Scott Fick's Gerald F's captain's trail. Yeah. Yeah, American novelist right like Benjamin Button guy and yeah

I find he's a hard read. I'm not really into the jazz stuff

The flappers

Yeah, I don't even bail wolf in high school. You guys have to read that book too

No bail watch the movie. Scott bail wolf. Scott bail. Scott bail Charles in church

My crush growing up was Nicole Ager and not on Baywatch, but when she's on Charles in church Charles in church. Oh

Smoke show smoke show

Nicole like

Megan Fox transformers. I'm sorry. That's the that's the classic. That's I heard those two might be coming back to transformers

I heard that too. I know. I know she's different now, you know, but hey, I mean one in a row

Right

William Alexander Gadsby lived from 1927 until passing away at the age of 88 and 2016

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Born in Calgary, Alberta and Pasway in Farmington Hills, Michigan

I feel like a lot of these guys have what what's the story with Farmington Hills, Michigan and Hall of Fame players

I feel like a number have

gone there to

Live out their golden years you guys can't change like you have so many farming tins and like it's like main street in a little town

Right, there's everyone's got a main street. Well, you're a lot of town get it farming them

Yeah, well, I don't know like

I got nothing like Graceland. Oh, that's yeah, that's really uncommon there

So we live in Farmington, Minnesota my kids and Louise kids go to Farmington High School

One condition of living in Farmington like when you're playing

neighboring and rival sports teams as they joke that you go to school and tractors

What's like? Oh, yeah, whatever, right?

The the sad part though is right next to our high school

There's a farm and like if you're out on like the soccer fields or the baseball fields

There's cows moving and it smells like manure. So if you got a north wind you're in trouble. Yeah

Farm good thing farmers feed cities. So if that's good that there's respect there for the farmer

Bill was a left-shot defenseman played at six foot 190 pounds

And in a career that lasted from 1946 until 1966 20 years played for three NHL teams the Chicago Blackhawks

New York Rangers and Detroit red wings only American teams

I guess

Despite a 20 year career Gadsby never won the Stanley Cup

Oh

See the only one ever from back then. Yeah, most of the time there's six teams

Must have retired in Maple Leaf then clearly we'll find out never played. Oh, no, he didn't okay. Well, I actually

The closest he came to a cup was in 1964 losing in game seven two

The Toronto Maple Leafs

He was named in NHL first all-star team selection three times twice the second all-star team selection

And in 1248 career games scored 130 goals added 438 assists for 568 points

After his playing career ended Bill spent a couple seasons coaching

The Detroit red wings before I guess leaving hockey for good

Okay, why should we care about Bill Gadsby?

There's some crazy parts to a story before the NHL ever knew him Gadsby survived

One of the opening civilian tragedies of World War 2

At age 12 he and his mother were aboard the SS Athenia when it was torpedoed by a German U-boat

And then they it sunk and they escaped via lifeboat before being rescued

Oh my god

Keep going yeah, no kidding uh

Oh

Back to Western Canada he kept building his game and Calgary and was part of the Alberta

Championship but champion team and championship team in 1942

Louis you were there probably cheering real loudly

Big Calgary midget fan

He then spent two seasons and the Edmonton junior Canadians

Run that put him on Chicago's radar Chicago signed him in 1946 and instead of a long apprenticeship

He jumped right into the NHL playing 48 games as a teenage rookie while the Matthew Schaefer of his time

Oh, well, well settle down. Yeah

Quickly became a regular in Chicago and stayed there into the 1954 55 season learning the hard way on

Rugged original six teams even though those blackhacks teams did not win much

He rose high enough to be capped in twice and make the NHL second all-star team in 1953 and 1954

He was on the ice in 1952 when teammate Bill Mosenko scored the famous three goals in 21 seconds

And Gaspi later said he had never seen anything like it since

That same year brought a scarier fight though

During the blackhacks training cap in 1952 he contracted polio

Spent weeks in the hospital recovered but was still able to play the whole season

So he had polio and he was sunk he was on a shit those sunk by a German U-boat

That is crazy. At least they didn't have the women and children rule

At that time

Well, he was a child there's 12. Oh, yeah, never mind. You did say that. They probably did have a women and children rule

His whole career carried that same tone he absorbed roughly 650 stitches

Play hockey

Broke his nose eleven times

And lived by the idea that if he's still at a pulse he should play

Chicago dealt him to the Rangers on November 23rd

1954 moved that change the offensive side of his career a few months later on March 12th

1955 he delivered one of the most famous clean body checks of the era

leveling Tim Horton so hard

That Horton suffered a broken jaw and a broken leg. Oh my goodness. I think I've heard of this before

Yeah, yeah, I just didn't know it was this guy

Holy wow, that's a big hit when you break his jaw a guy's jaw and like

I think that's where the term bone crushing came from

New York gave him room to show more offense and in 1955 56 he had a career high 51 points in her first team

All-Star honors

It was not a one-year spike the Rangers turned to him it turned him into an offensive or onto an all-star fixture with first team selections in

1956 5859

Plus a second team nod in 1957 the

1958 59 he matched the 51 point high that was set

Was then the NHL record for assist by a defenseman with 46

By the end of the 1915 he had gone from respected Chicago captain to one of the league's premier defenseman in New York

On June 12th 1961 the Ranger sent him to Detroit

Opening the final chapter of his career and Detroit the time he'd finally matched the talent because of red wings

Breach the Stanley Cup final three times in his last four seasons and did not win. I see related. Do we David? What?

To sum up

On November 4th lost my birthday 1962

He became the first advancement in NHL history to reach 500 career points

Detroit reached the final 1963 the first of three finals he had played the wings the 1964 final became near miss

That defined his playing days Detroit led Toronto three games to two and still could not close it out

He was still elite deep into his 30s good enough to make the NHL second all-star team again in 1965

In 1966 he became the first NHL player to appear in at least 300 games with three different franchises

I bet you a lot of players still haven't done that. That's a lot of

That same spring Detroit opened the 1966 final

By winning the first two games in Montreal then lost four straight and Gatsby retired

When that series ended he walked away in 1966 with 1,248 NHL games 130 goals

438 assists for 568 points at his retirement. He was the league's all-time highest-scoring defenseman

What?

Yeah, really interesting. Oh again, if you're talking to senior Bobby R was a rookie. Do you think about that?

The strange truth about Bill Gatsby's career is that he survived a torpedo attack beat polio

endured

Decades of NHL punishment and still ended up remembered as one of the greatest defenseman never to win a Stanley Cup

Quite quite the accomplishments except for old Stanley. It's too bad

Okay, we'll take a quick look at his hobby market

So Bill Gatsby's rookie card is in the 1951 Parker set

Card number 37 the black octasuries and 51 Parker's I think are nice the colors work well

with the illustrations on the card I think

The PSA 9 pictured as the highest public seller having sold for 9,600 US dollars in November 2020

Because again, he played in an era for 20 years where there was lots of hockey sets

There's tons of playing days cards. I picked out three additional ones that I just thought were interesting

The first one that I want to show is the 1953 parker's to its card number 76

PSA 9 we are showing on YouTube's highest seller having sold for just 630 US dollars in April 2022

Then he got to go from there to the iconic 1954 tops set

Because a really interesting

It's like his like neck is like in a weird position, but still cool card

It is card number 20

Again, a PSA 9 is a high-selling copy sold for 9,185 US dollars in January of 2020

And then the last card he picked is a 1957 tops. It's card number 65 and again a PSA 9

We're looking at as a high seller having sold for a 1752 US in April 2013 and boys

Boys

Boys that's your hockey hall famer Bill Gatsby

Good job Josh

That was a big one not as big as last podcast, but

big and in density

Play it players these days are just not going to have the story. It's like

McLean Salabrini, you know, he was on like a AAA team and then was on a junior's team and then was in the NHL

I think it torpedoed

torpedoed. Yeah, I know seriously

Okay, boy

Well from the old to the new

Haven't done rookie deep dive in a few weeks and thought with the release of series two and some more new

New young guns might be a good time to pick it back up

How it works as we pick four candidates throw up a hobby pole

There it is. Oh, yeah

The good listener votes and then we are then prepare a deep dive on the winner. So we had four candidates from this week

two are from

series two and once from series one we had Ben Kindle

Zeeve

boom

Eastern Cowan and all of her cabinet

Any predictions who would win that poll film?

I would as I wouldn't

I kind of want have all of them except cabinet because I don't know much about

Capital and but that's who I feel I should be picking

Okay, yeah, I don't know much about Ben Kindle either. I don't know much about any of them. I don't know tell us who won

The closest vote ever the winner won by one single vote

Oh, wow. Oh, I guess no one else cares about happening. Yeah

There were five votes. I think he's tied for the lead in rookie goals. It's got like 20 or something like that

No, but Ben Kindle is your winner at 34%

And that makes him this week's rookie deep dive. I

sometimes I feel like I'm

A and idiot

probably

And B, I live under a rock because this whole like Ben Kindle phenomenon

I've missed until the last week or two. Where is he like well, Crosby's hurt Malikin suspended because he's a danger in a

Menace to the players on the ice is he is he's been on the first line now or what I don't mean no back

Well, I mean, you know back there come out, but he's on their team, right? Yeah, I hope I'm getting that right

So I was actually excited to learn about him because I honestly know next to nothing. So here we go

Ben Kindle is the 18 year old center for the Pittsburgh penguins

We're going to get into his rookie season more in a minute

But we'll start first with how you got to the NHL

He was born April 19 2007 and no like cold Quittalum cold Quittalum British Columbia

Something I should I should be correcting you, but I'm not going to

Okay, you just because you know no one or you just want me to suffer. No, I don't I've heard it my whole life

And I cannot for the life of me repeat. I'm scared to

dictated out loud and

I'm in I know how to do it. I just don't want it to be my first shot here. So I'm not going to do it

We grew up there and also grew up in a sports family playing multiple sports including soccer

Before eventually committing fully to hockey as the young player in the Vancouver area

He developed through the Burnaby Winter Club program

One of Western Canada's premier minor hockey pipelines

Early adversity hit Kindle when he broke his hand in 2020

So this is like that my you know poor bill gasbie was sunk in the war

So you got a little bubble in your little hand

Poor bill over come a broken hand

Well, that's why that's why when we do it. I had concussion. I had a massive massive concussion in like

I don't bantam minor. It's something very my coach was screaming. I don't care if you get out on the ice

They nobody cared back then and back then it's not that long ago

No, right? So you got a bubble on your hand then get on the ice. You play through it

The concussion thing was crazy because when I played football is oh you got oh you just got your bell wrong

That's all about it

And that was a perfect

I remember laughing to my friend Mike Craig being like those Disney cartoons are accurate a with the tweeting

Because you see stars tweeting around. Yeah, it's that's not funny, but it's

It's what happened you're fine if you're not throwing up. You're good go back out there

So big-time adversity hit Ben when he broke his hand during the 21 22 season forcing on to miss half the year

But scouts still notice his playmaking ability at the John Reed Memorial tournament

What's that? Sure, it's a big deal. Never heard of it

The Calgary hitman selected Kindle in the second round of the 2022 WHO prospects draft

43rd overall betting on his hockey IQ and offensive creativity

Hmm

Before entering the WHO full-time he spent a season at Yale hockey academy's U18 program

producing 46 points in 29 games which confirmed his high-end offensive instincts

And then Kindle made his Calgary hitman made the Calgary hitman roster as a 16 year old rookie and 2324

Just think in 2023 when we were like lusting over Conor Bernard rookies

This kid was 16 and now he's in the NHL

It's crazy my my son's 18 and I'm just like did you change oil in the truck? Yeah

Louis and I've hit where this kid might be Ben Kindle might be younger than your son

I don't please don't check January 25th

Please don't check when you get the date

Okay

So you made the enter the WHO at the hitman as a 16 year old rookie and 2324

An impressive accomplishment and a league dominated by typically older junior players

Early in his WHO career you showed flashes of an offensive upside including a six-point weekend

That earned him W.H.L. Rookie of the week honors

By mid-season of that rookie campaign is already among the league's leaders and rookies scoring finishing the year 15 goals

And a team leading 45 assists

His playmaking abilities stood out immediately. He was named the Calgary hitman rookie of the year

cementing himself as one of the young

Top or one of the top young forwards in the WHO

His breakout though came in the 2425 W.H.L. season when he exploded offensively, huh

He won players explode

Mm-hmm and began appearing regularly on NHL draft boards

He started the year on fire with 11 points in his first nine games showing elite offensive vision and quick decision making with the puck

You know why why hockey iq baby hockey iq man

Can't measure it but everyone's got it

Yeah, well, listen, there's

You want hockey iq you don't you won't mock it until it's gone

Does anyone in the NHL have really bad hockey iq max domi that's so I can think of pretty much

It's about it

Yeah, yeah, well accurate shots bullseye

Anthony just quit the show our good buddy feels pop and collectors fun yeah

Kindle was selected to participate in the 2024 CHL USA prospects challenge

Remaining the top NHL draft eligible players showcased their skills for scouts

NHL central scouting ranked him inside the top 20 North American skaters mid season

Signaling for strong potential

During that season he said a Calgary hitman franchise record for longest point streak demonstrating consistency

Rarely seen from draft eligible players and he finished 2425

With the hitman with the massive 99 point campaign 35 goals 64 assists and 65 games played

One of the best offensive seasons in hitman history

Also added 15 points and 11 WGL playoff games further boosting his draft stock

On the international stage. He's represented team Canada in the 2024 helinca gratsky cup helping team capture the gold medal

All he wants something great

He later earned another international opportunity

He

At the 2025 ii hf world u18 championship gaining experience

Against best players in the group that doesn't say anything about winning there

Leading up to the 20 25 NHL draft scouts praised has elite playmaking vision

Deceptive shot release and ability to slow the game down in the offensive zone

Oh, well, it was the Pittsburgh pirates who selected Ben Kiddah who haven't thought overall

Did you say Pittsburgh panglins that used to be that hey

At one point the pirates were in NHL theme. So yeah, well, I'd still they weren't yeah, they were they were

But they're like the pirates the Pittsburgh

The Pittsburgh pirates were a hockey team

Yeah, we've talked about it on the show about 28 times. Sorry, you know

This oh, you're on

I don't want to believe right now. Go ahead. Okay. Okay. Well, the Pittsburgh panglins. Thank you, Bob Louie

I

Wait a minute, but so our young man here is five 10

Or five eight you said earlier. How short is Gary Gary's like five four is a wee last. I think always you guys can look at eye to eye brother

Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah

Yes, he's taking 11th overall in the first round by the penguins

Early one of the first cornerstone prospects of the Kyle Dubas era

Young Ben Kennell

Signed a three year entry level contract were 2.9

5 not 2.9 2.5 million officially beginning his NHL career path in Pittsburgh

He did make the penguins roster immediately becoming one of the youngest

Players in franchise history to make his NHL debut skating in his first game in October 7th 2025

And just four days later he scored his first NHL goal

Which of course is milestone moment for any rookie, especially a teenager

And through his rookie season he's shown flash flashes of offensive upside recording 14 goals 13 assists for 27 points

And 53 games a strong total again for an 18 year old rookie

Which again, I mean no 53 points is good, but I was looking because young

McLean sell brini if you guys have ever heard of him. He's another prospect

brini some kids calm

brini

He's got 90 points now and he's 19

And I was looking at well who's the youngest NHL player to score

100 points

Anyone know

Mitch Mariner

Uh, I'll pass sitting Crosby 18 years old square 100 points

No kidding. Yeah

Hermoski

At one point he ranked among the leagues top rookie scores and top power play rookies

Highland is offensive value in Pittsburgh's lineup

Uh

penguins coach Mike Sullivan has had this to say about the young Kindle for young player Ben processes the game extremely quickly his vision and hockey sense given the chance

To become a real impactful offensive player

penguins fans and hobbyists are excited because Kindle represents the first wave of Pittsburgh's next generation

Oh settle down after the Crosby Melkin era

With the potential to become a top six offensive playmaker if his development continues on its current trajectory

That's sort of the deep dive on Kindle. We'll take a look at his

Hobby market now his young guns just came out last week in series two

So I kind of thought the most appropriate way was to check out

You know, not not go over young guns values because nothing's changed much in a few days

But instead go over his top the top five highest sales of any Ben Kindle card to date along with each's respective top sale

And then of course any sale made by therapy has been

uh verified as paid by eBay has been verified as paid for in therapy

So number five and top five Ben Kindle sales is a beautiful redemption

Yeah, X marks the spot

It's from 2526 artifacts and it's all for 327 us a couple days ago March 8th

Number four is a is a young guns 20 25 26 young guns deluxe out of 250

He'll draw

I don't know if he's got like the best facial expression there

Yeah

Yeah, it's good 366 us by eBay best offer in March 5th

Number three is a team candidate juniors from 2025 black rookie auto 101

So for 425 us on March 4th all these are like within the last so I think this Ben Kindle thing

Just kind of popped off

I wish they watched our Thursday nights uh

Slabsharks we would have we would have protected you from this purchase

Yeah, how do you rate his young rookie auto

Uh you know for

Amongst his peers

B-plus

Amongst his peers B-plus they listen it's it's gonna go down hard and fast

I'm doing my hockey card journalism right now

Stay tuned for the next video

There's what we're in for a big reckoning of autographs and these children

The the the last curriculum was 2012

In in Canada and the states both our countries at the same time

The last ones got rid of cursive writing in 2012. So do the math. It's it's

In two three years. I don't think we're ever going to no one's going to want any autograph card

They won't know what that means. Don't just put their number. Yeah. They'll do. They'll just print or something

Their Instagram handle

Yeah

Yeah, number two their QR code to their social media. Oh my god. It's inscribed

Number two highest bed and kennel sales again from 2025

I predict teen Canada juniors. It says gold. I'll purse 101 though

So for 511 us by ebay best offer in March 5th. I wish our friends at upper deck would keep this to flagship

Yeah, yeah

I still think it's kind of cool. I do think it's cool, but I want to protect the sanctity

That is the developers. Yeah

Hmm too late

And the number one highest selling Ben Kim McCart ever until the next highest one

Is a 2526 young guns exclusives out of 100

It's raw so for 988

US dollars by ebay best offer in March 5th. That's a strong number

Yeah, I'm gonna let's go. I want to fly up to this one again really quick

Did they not size him or

Did he forget his regular breezers and he had to just get a spare pair or what they look

He's on a crossover. It's it's it's angled out. It looks poofier than it probably is

Yeah, how many looks too small. I like it. We're like breaking down the sizes of the Ben Kim no uniform

I think it looks good. Well, that's lovely too. That's all all these new kids do their helmet

You see favor all the time. Yeah, he always pushes this helmet up

Yeah, my favorite my favorite was the Olympics the neck guards like it like a pastor knack to see pastor knack's neck guard

I'm like, what are you doing?

I was so happy

They were not big and thick neck guards and to me that I mean, I love I can't even say the goalie's name

I can't do it. I'm so squeamish and Clint and anyway, it's just

That is such an important like imagine dying on well, I mean, that's a good way to die

I'd like to die on the hockey ring

That'd be a good way to go

Right. This is how we found your dad kid and like

That one hits home for me because obviously it's for my hometown

So we when I was at the state tournament with my brother

Who is in the real when I pulled the celebrity the guy I'm sitting next to anyone wants. That's my brother Nick

He had

There's and I think we mentioned this in the last show that they have like a big expo with like tons of

It's in that I think it's like the river center probably Louis where they had all the hockey equipment galore

They had bags and in the bags. I can't remember what brand it was, but he had for his boys a play hockey that are

11 and 8

They had the instead of the neck guard. They had the shirts that have the collar and then the

The wrist protectors as well

And it looked nice. I said well, how much are those? 150 dollars a piece. Right. I know I got I

I can see two of them right now. That's pretty nuts

That's crazy that they're that expensive. It's what isn't in hockey. I'm not fair. You're fine

Okay, that's our rookie deep dive for Ben Kindle

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No, that's a new your show. I thought we have mustache guy on the Slipchark show

Oh, yeah, yeah, mustache collector from Instagram. Yeah, Kurt. Yeah, he's great

Are you guys gonna have like a mustache off or like a dueling moustaches or he wins he wins he puts a lot of care and effort into it

I mean they're different moustaches mines

You know chained soft foresty his is more refined renaissance

Yeah, but I've heard him talk. There's no renaissance there

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Well, let's leave it alone. It's Harold. Look nice

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All right, how about news?

hobby news

news from the hobby

Well, boy signs a spring the snow melts

The leaves start what are the you're you're an arborist. What did they start like budding budding on the trees?

No, not yet. Not I mean, it's very warm over here

But not yet we had freezing rain all day today. It was crazy shut it down all the kids stay home

Well another sign of spring is that we start to get some

Expo autograph signers being announced. Yeah, means it's coming

Cannot wait for the spring expo

Of course this year's a little bit later

April 30th or May 3rd

That's open and we're going to be there of course excited to meet with a bunch of people from the show

So hope hope to see

Plenty of people there and a big draw for the expo always is athletes and celebrities and not not just from hockey that they get to their design autos

The team the expo team announced the signers all the way up till the expo date

But they started their first round of announcements with a theme

Have you guys seen this the theme? No

I can fly higher like an eagle

No, it's goalies

So they they how many six goalies they've announced his autograph signers

What is Troy bear is original Troy coming?

Ah, we should convince him. He's kind of nothing. Yeah, he's a six goalies. Yeah, okay. Go ahead where the tank. I didn't even make state

Brutal's is so what would he's not even really helping them. He's hurting them. He should come hang out with us

Let them win Troy let them win throw in the towel brother. It's a young man's game now young women's game. Sorry. Yeah, shit

So highlights so far are

Eddie Eddie the eagle at bell for

Kirk McLean

Murray Bannerman

Ron Graham I can't this I always struggle with this name. It's a very French name Richard

Seventy oh

I can't see the notes. I should know. I don't see. Yeah, I GNY

I don't know. I'm sorry

I need to see it. I need it. It's okay. It's okay. You know someone will correct you. Yeah

I'd like to officially apologize to all friend speakers

Those brutal. It's probably soap in the show with that every every time we record. Yeah, pretty much

Standard disclaimer and then Richard Bruder

Is he related to Marty Bruder? I don't know

It's pretty like a like a very common French name. Yeah. Yeah, like that from wise. That's a very common name

We're like Brad oh

Very common like seven law

Richard seven law

Maybe I wouldn't mind getting a cool Eddie the eagle auto. I like Eddie Belfort. Oh you could have bought one

When I read like Ed Belfort and Curtis Joseph in my memory

We're like don't one of the two of the best goalies, but where do they?

Like I've never I'm kind of scared to look up their stats. I'm like the right time in our

Come on. Well, I think Ed Belfort had a really cool helmet and Kujo had a really cool nickname and played for the blue team

That's right. I know it's before cool helmets were a thing right like he was the pioneer of

Sweet time helmet painting nice

I know Curtis Joseph was good with the media. I mean, maybe that had something to do with it too

Yeah, if you got a Belfort auto because he played for a lot of teams what team would you want?

I'd probably want black hooks like a toggle. Yeah. Yeah, I don't even I don't think of a man anywhere else. Maybe Dallas, but no

Stop that blast for me. I'm allowed to say. I'm allowed to like some things Dallas

Yeah

No, listen, we're on your side on the whole Toronto thing. You got to be on our side about the whole Dallas thing. All right fine fine

What about Houston like Houston Lee Rational

Can I like Houston stuff

The arrow I don't have a team there soon

Well, I'm just like what if I meet a woman and she's from Houston. I'm allowed to date her. You ever been there

Everything's bigger in Texas. I've you know, I know I've never been anywhere down there. Just the Bocavista

Don't poke a vista lots of Cadillacs. Yeah, that's a kind of

You want to keep up to date with all the guest signers you can check out sportcardExpoToronto.com

Yeah

Had to throw this this blew my mind this next story

So collecting is booming everywhere of course and this story comes from Yahoo collectibles

A copy of Michael Jordan's 1983 Sports Illustrated cover debut. So it's Sports Illustrated magazine

So for $229,360 US dollars via golden this past weekend. Holy moly

The magazine's graded PSA 9.6. I don't know what that means. I'm not

Uh, it's just so slow. Come on. I got to interject

Grading comics and Mac. Come on. I mean, we're ridiculous too. I know. I'm ridiculous. So let's just get out that out in the open

Grading like

You got to read it. That's the whole point of the damn thing that makes no sense

What what if page 17 is crumpled? What if there's a crease and page 17?

What you uh, go ahead

Go ahead

Prior to this sale the previous record for a graded magazine was 126,000 paid for Jordan's

1984

SI debut in a bull's uniform. So it's first SI as a member of the Chicago Bulls

Well regard this so 229,000 for Sports Illustrated

I would

That means a lot to us like I I don't know if about you guys, but or SI was a big thing in Canada Phil

But I had a subscription growing up. Did you, Louis?

No, I love I remember

Up here same thing. I mean

Of course, I was very popular up here. Obviously swim suit. Hello, Kathy Ireland, Kathy Ireland

I noticed how that cheese broke like that come with me. I was for bedroom. Well hold on hold on as as now that I'm in my 40s

I would need to uh, I need to see some pictures first. Oh, jeez. Go ahead

But but okay, and and I I do

Personally feel in the nostalgia to Sports Illustrated

But if you're spending 229,000 on a magazine you can't read that's an investment and my big worry would be

Do kids do do our kids even know what Sports Illustrated is anymore? I mean, is that any relevant like if you said somebody spent

230 grand on this they'd be like what? Well probably not, but it's not their fault either they're all our kids are

Digital aged babies, you know, Josh isn't yelling at them. He's not scolding them. He's just saying like

Yeah, from an investment standpoint

The more time goes on the less anyone we even right have a concept of what a magazine was because it's like a dinosaur

No, I know you weren't I know you weren't scolding them. It's just like yeah, but I was that's Josh angry though. I think

I'd have bought it for you're growing when you're angry

I did I'd have gotten it for Timber Wolf's legend Sam Perkins

Oh, yeah, I don't think he played for the wolves. Oh, who'd he play for like I like heavy metal magazines

But I wouldn't pay more than five bucks

Like you know or I mean for old mad magazines or cracked. I mean, I love Archie comics

I don't need those to be in good condition. I kind of like when they're rough. It's more of a story

I don't I'm leaving it alone to each their own

We grade cards

We buy graded cards people buy magazines. It's yeah, I I would love to collect mag like a original playboys or original mad magazines or

Or muscle and fitness. I remember when like the original masters of the universe came out Dolph Lundgren

I bought that magazine off eBay

I don't know like five six years ago because I remember I remember reading that at the local beckers

I really wanted that magazine. So I get the for our age. That's a good time here, but

Oh, I didn't do tiger beat too too much. No, I got a mad magazine story for you

It's pretty sad you sneaky Canadians

My dad and I were driving back from

We were I don't remember where we were

Fishing camping on an island and we were coming back through the border and they decided to search the car and the boat

And I got back into the car and we were about a mile or two down the road

And I was going to get my mad magazine again, and then some of the bitches stole my magazine

Oh, so they're illegal in Canada. You can't have magazines that are I think I bought it in Canada

And I was something to read on the way home and maybe the guy to take a number two

And he was like sorry kid. This is getting lost in the socks. Here. He needed something to read

Yeah, we got lost friendly

Anything from the early 80s at this point is like gold. Did you guys see to that a

A Megatron

Dissolved for 140 grand or something like that

Generation one. Yeah, yeah, it's got to be a

I remember my friend had that

It turned into like a rouger or something like that. I love. Yeah, it's transformers. I don't mind

Yes, it did Josh. Uh, transformers all always buy for the toys

But I don't want them in good condition because I'm not good at transforming them never have been never will be

I that's why like he man

It's much much more forgiving, right? So I would I would completely spend thousands of dollars on a perfect battle cat

You know like I would do that. That's amazing

But obviously I have like four or five I can play with you know

Sure

All right

Last story in hobby news. I just thought this was kind of fun

So we had the trade deadline on Friday overall 33 players change teams

five of those players though

Did score on the opening game with their brand new team?

Oh

My answer good way to start and since we haven't talked about Minnesota and forever on the show

I know we'll start with Michael McCarran who was fresh off the boat from Nashville

scored a goal the game winning goal and wilds four to victory in his first game over the vaunted

And sometimes scary Vegas goal in the night

Then on Saturday Calgary's Ryan Strom L.A.'s Scott Lotton

Tampa Bay is Cory Perry and Ottawa's Warren Fogel. Yeah

Oh, it's a quick ginger. He's a quick fast his his the name Warren Fogel to me

Seems like he should have been like a 1968 folk singer

Watch him in an interview you'd be like that is Warren Fogel

Related like his name gets imperfectly extremely lovable

Yeah, extremely lovable and when I saw him in an interview, I'm like you gotta be kidding me

I'm like this is amazing

Perfect third line winger. Oh man. He's just great. Very welcome to welcome to the clubman. I completely forgot about Michael McCarran

Yeah, such a riveting move

I was old on California Dave slided him in one of our text messages

I'm a little upset he did that because now and I really like that kid

So Fogel. Yeah, there's a good luck with the two goals, man

New PC Matt

Well, DJ Smiths are head coach now, so I'd be I'd be I'd be super pissed off too if I was Dave. Yeah

Good luck with that potato

If you had to pick a

Ottawa Senators player that you currently don't PC. Yeah, two PC. Who do you pick?

Linus Omar

No

Probably stutzle. Yeah, so I was gonna guess. Yeah, probably because he's he

I love his personality and his attitude. He's just like such a big kid

And he truly loves the game and he he doesn't he doesn't remind his mannerisms don't remind me of Jason Spetsa

His love of hockey reminds me of Jason Spetsa and I've a

Real nice Jason Spetsa collection

Yeah

On the wild who do you pick Louis

To PC yeah, other than who

Well, who do you do I guess you know, okay, so if you had to if you started PC and anyone on the wild

Apparently you'd like the wild, but you don't PC anyone. What's going on?

I just got a whole bunch of their cards. I can't I can't say Caprice off because I collect his cards

I can't say favor. I got his cards. I can't say boldly. I got his cards

Well, you can have a couple cards of a player and I'm I'm seeing like like to the level of he sure

Come on man. I a hardcore lean in like I really collect Brady could chuck. I really collect the standards but not really anybody else

I'm gonna roll with

Pitlick

Lance

Rem

I guess

See

Well, I got to I'd say act Eric's an act underrated center, baby

Okay, no time is manic

No, uh, hola hola

Okay boys

Getting back to the hobby market

We are going to

Maybe not maybe back to the hobby market

Want to talk a little bit. I don't know if it's like negative, but because

Yeah, I think it's more like real talk about the the hobby market and you know markets go up and down

There's no avoiding that it can't go up forever

It's gonna go down at some point and

It's good for us to prepare for that. Yeah, even though it's badarta polusa and breeding mania

You know, it's about shaper

We said shaper mania or shaper polusa shaper bananza. Yeah shaper banana. We'll think of something

I like that two f-shafers

choices

What shaper

Shaper you leaned it when you got it or two inches makes a difference on the audio

man like

hahaha

So I was thinking but he here's like where the this whole conversation comes from

I know like you guys know and everybody knows at some point the market's going to go down

But I legitimately and I'm trying to I pride myself on being pragmatic. I feel like

How at this point it just feels so like stable and real and it seems like the whole world is falling in love with collecting

And so, I wanted to do some research and say, okay, if and when, and well, more when,

it does come back a little retract or collapse, however, whatever fear and loathing you want

to put into it.

I think your metaphor, yeah.

I think your metaphor, you know, whatever strikes your fancy.

Like, what are the most likely reasons for that to happen?

And so, I came up with five and did a bunch of research, had help from the robots a little

bit, but here's what I came up with.

And I think these are good things to think about, right, and maybe things to look out for.

I don't know.

So the first reason why, you know, what could impact or risk to the current booming market

is overproduction and too many parallels.

We kind of know this.

We've talked about it before, but, you know, it is the biggest historical risk to over,

to supply overwhelming demand, right?

You can go back to reference the junk wax era, where, and again, modern sets now often

include dozens, if not hundreds of parallels, excess printing and parallel inflation can

reduce long-term scarcity and resale value, you know, collectors feel that cards aren't

truly rare anymore, prices and demand could fall, and you go look at not so much in hockey,

but for like a current hobby perspective, you go into like, when Penini was producing

basketball or even tops in their baseball sets, and this is even crazy from the hockey

comparison standpoint, but some of those sets have 50 plus parallel varieties now, 50.

That's too much.

I think like the most I've counted in hockey is like around 20, maybe like 17, 20, and

that feel like, remember, we know like that ice is being reconfigured, but a couple years

ago, ice got pretty bad, where artifacts might be the worst one, right?

That's the famous party time pat where there's-

A lore has got too many, too.

Where it's like blue parallel, blue aqua, blue velvet, summertime blue, sapphire blue,

right?

It's like, okay, there's like seven blue parallels alone, but, and then, you know, the

hiking example on the printing side is, of course, you go to 90, 91 upper deck, was there's

no official numbers given, but I kind of went down a rabbit hole on this one to try, it

was printed in what's been confirmed as extremely large quantities, meaning that you could

probably buy cases for the rest of our lives and open them up and never risk that running

out.

And so, even though it had like the yogur rookie in Fedorov and Beret, right, just the

fact that there's so much of it, it keeps the values, the values down.

And, you know, why this matters, of course, is scarcity drives value.

And collectors realize, everything is rare, quote unquote, nothing's rare, right?

And I think that that's like the big thing to think about, and so is he, is he even navigating

the boom?

And I think this is like, as, as I hope I've gotten better in the hobby, that my biggest

focus in the last year and a half at least has been trying to identify cards that I think

are, like, have like true rarity or a specialness, whatever that means, with the

specialness.

Go ahead, Phil.

Problem with overproduction, I think, is that we won't, we don't know until it's too late,

right?

So, it's a, it's a bit of a lagging indicator.

And from a business point of view, why wouldn't a company just like keep printing it?

Like, well, no, we're printing too much, like they're buying it.

Who cares?

And then it's still being printed once the numbers of who's buying it's are coming in,

then they stop.

But us as being the people in that hobby, it's like, oh, it's overproduced.

So to that point that you're making is that, I don't know, how do these manufacturers

balance that, because we know tons and tons of people are starting to collect.

And there's a lot of new collectors.

So you're going to have to produce more, yeah, more collectors.

But how do they know where they don't, I don't think it matters.

I don't think it matters when through, like, so I have a small business at one point.

I had six crews working every day.

So it doesn't matter, like if I had 12 crews working every day and I had three twice the

problems, I don't care that much.

It kind of just all comes out in the wash when you're making money, hand over fist.

Now, if I had 18 crews, well, I'm just, I'm not going to care about any, any, like,

oh, your product's going down.

Yeah, well, people keep hiring me, 19 crews, 20 crews.

Oh, Phil, your product's going down.

Well, I don't care.

I'm making money, hand over fist.

I think you're asking an ethical question.

Well, there is kind of a, I don't know how scientific it is, but there are jobs at

big companies that in the CPG world, and I guess trading cards are a consumer package

good that do demand planning, right?

So if you work at Oscar Meyer and the Weiner factory, dream job for Louis, they have

demand planners because they don't want to make too many weeners.

Yeah, but the cost of the weeners to them is far less, is far less than the consumer.

So the risk for them, risk management, I mean, they could just print to oblivion.

I wish I could explain it better, but it makes sense in my head what I'm trying to say.

Like they could print, they could over print two to three years, lose money.

Oh, no, we printed too much crap, but the risk management, it's far better with that

type of, that type of business plan to move forward.

If I was up for deck, I would just keep printing into oblivion.

I mean, what, like, why not, right?

Like what they're going to lose lots of money if they print 10% too much?

No, they're not.

Come on.

They'd have to print like three X to be like, oh, we lost all our profits.

We've three times.

They're not that silly.

They know what they're doing, right?

That's a win out of your sales or something.

Sorry, I don't know.

I'm just listening, processing.

I don't know.

What I'm saying could be absolutely ridiculous, too.

It's a very strong possibility.

You lost me at weeners.

Lewis is still dreaming, dancing on clouds with weeners falling all over him.

I could work in the weeners.

Hot dogs.

Hot dogs.

I'm just trying to think of how they could do this without calling it an overproduction.

Like who cares if there's, you know, you were saying all the different blue parallels.

So, what if there's five different blue parallels and reds and greens and whatever's,

but would it help if they were all out of 100, 300, with that matter?

Well, I think you can limit the parallels, but there's, I'm glad you made your comment

because there's two different types of overproduction we can talk about.

There's over producing parallels and trying to create too much manufactured scarcity.

And then there's just flat out printing too much of the product, which kind of goes

in hand and handle a little bit because the more parallels you make, the more product

you can produce and have like your quote unquote numbered hit in the, I just think it's

a tough balance.

Like, you go back to, you know, we, we think about like the junk wax air and overproduction,

but there's been very recent examples of underproduction.

The first edition of PWHL was very, very good thing though that worked out well.

I think it's top of mind for, especially for upper deck tops, I could care less about.

I think it's top of mind.

They know that 90s, that's, that's a blip in our hot timeline, make that mistake again.

They're not going to make that and, and we're constantly reminded by Billy, I wasn't

out of upper deck when all these problems have, yes, Billy, we know, and so a lot, a lot

of their heavy hitters, their dream team weren't there, but I think as a company, they're

very aware not to do that again.

So they, I think, I think we're in really good hands, man.

I think they'll air on the side of caution.

And I really do believe they know what they're doing for the most part.

Everything else is kind of up in the air and how, how things roll out, right, in tentables.

So the second risk that I came up with, I think is, is interesting.

It's too much speculation instead of collecting.

Well, that's the hobby.

Sorry.

Next game, yeah, that's the, that's the hobby now.

That's why I think people like us, because we're, we're a little bit like that, but we're

a lot of not really like that.

Yeah, it's like Germany spectrum thing, right?

You're not one necessary, it's not binary, right?

You're kind of a little bit of each, but a large portion of the hobby today is investor-driven,

not collector-driven, you know, influencers and breakers, hype cards as investments.

New buyers often enter chasing quick profit rather than collecting.

Markets driven by speculation tend to boom fast and correct fast, right?

That's the historical perspective on that.

Many analysts warn collectibles should be treated primarily as a hobby rather than a

reliable investment.

And if you go to like the hockey perspective, right, during the 2020-21 hobby boom, the

McDavid Younggun's PSA 10 jumped from roughly, and I went back and I looked at the graph.

It was, it went from a thousand to 4,000 US in a matter of a couple months and then came

back down, you know, and as low as 2000, it never went back down to a thousand, but around

like 22, 2300 since then, and it was kind of waffled between that and 3,000, but, you

know, and so these prices we're seeing now, we can't assume that maybe a year or two

from now, they won't be as high, you know, everything doesn't always just go up.

Right.

And why that matters.

If prices stop rising, here's why matters, right?

When prices stop rising, when markets are full of speculators, then they take their money

out of that market quickly and put it in other places.

I never noticed I'm in a market.

Every card show I've been to in my life, every, this is how I gauge it.

This is my market.

Ah, the show's busy today.

Yeah.

I never know, like markets correct and the hobby's hot and I are a lot of people, we're

not.

I've just, I've never looked at, it's just one of the worst asset classes on the freaking

planet.

I, I, I struggle every time someone brings up this type of terminology.

Like, you could pick anything else, anything else, pick a precious metal bullion, like

by palladium and rodeo, it's way more secure.

Like, I just, I, I can't take anybody seriously that's trying to make big bucks in our hobby.

I just can't, man, I, it's ridiculous.

It's, it's such a speculative thing.

It's cardboard.

It's other men's accomplishments.

It's just everything about it is so silly.

I think it's at least 50% luck in this and I have studied this every day for four years

and I'm not trying to say I'm the smartest guy in the world, but I don't think that there's

some hidden like a beautiful mind formula that you can crack the market.

There's so many variables and so many irrational variables that I, one of my, I, I'm going to

get caught one day, but when, when I go to the, we'll use the expose and example, because

there's all walks of life on our, from our continent at the expo when someone's like,

Hey, man, how's it going?

And they're all very serious.

I'm like, Hey, man, how's it going?

Can I help you with anything?

Anything you're looking for?

When they're so serious and they're so business oriented, it's sad to me.

I'm just like, dude, you, you'd be probably way more successful in something else.

Like you're, you know, like you're making great eye contact from handshake or business cards

aren't are great.

I've seen you a thousand times.

I feel like a vampire who's lived a thousand years who've seen this, you know, like,

and then they're probably not going to be there in the next two, three years and they're

usually not.

No.

Well, before social media, after social media, during social media, all, all, like, you,

you got to, I say a lot of silly things, but I, I've been in this for a while, it, it

is the worst asset class to try and make it.

It's like, if I had three kids in a family and my bills are, oh my God, my, what are you

doing?

Just, you, you better, you better have a hook.

You better have a stick, you know, you better be a, uh, uh, the Western Canada Slabshark

Sky or have your own consign company or you better be a big ball, a big heavy hitter

in the industry to make money because flipping cards, man, and this guy, I, I, I, I, I,

I don't know why I've said this a million times on a show, but I think the only way I will

ever make, I have the chance to make money in this hobby is by going the, by taking the

collector perspective and then getting lucky.

It's like by cards that I just think are awesome looking and I think have some sort of characteristics

that make them unique or stand out from other cards and then maybe someday, but, but every

time I try to be an entrepreneur, like you like to say, fill and say, well, I'm going

to buy a $500 card and sell it when it's a thousand that that, it's speculation and

then that's when the gambling comes in and like, I, I don't want to admit it, but it is

gambling, right?

Like, and I, I don't want to join that, that crew, but like, let's, but that's no fun

either, though.

If you're, you know, you go out and buy something like that and you're, you're hoping you're,

you're waiting for that to happen.

That totally drains the collecting.

It's a nice part of it.

It sure.

If it happens.

That is an ego fit into that.

I think, though, Louis, like, you know, like you look at, well, the prevalence of social

media and collecting.

Right.

So I think I'll, well, I should say, I wonder if a lot of people don't look at it like

because maybe like Instagram is their community and it's like, well, I'm going to have the, the

most, the best profile, like the, most elite collection.

So when I do that post that shows off the $30,000 Maclin, Celebrini, I get 500 likes and

that's my dopamine rush.

Well, to you.

I don't think so.

Not at our age.

I mean, all of a sudden, sure, there's a plenty of people that, like, of Instagram flex.

Okay.

Well, let me ask this hypothetical question.

So we learned in based on the booming market, I think on last show at the show before that

there's a record 25,000 cards that sold for more than $10,000 last year.

And the pace is going to right now for 2026 is 41,000 sales of more than $10,000.

If you took every person that buys one of those cards into a lie detector test and say,

why did you buy this?

Because you love collecting and you love the card and you don't, I don't, I don't want

the answers.

I don't want the answer.

I think, I think at $20, $100 level, you're going to get a much higher percentage of people

that love collecting, you know, you talk about like, Louis, like on the wild, you collecting

jewel, Erickson, that's not a PC you would ever start to make money.

There's, I love Erickson, I love my mom and team.

There's a 0% chance that you get rich collecting Erickson at, yeah, you need a rookie, but I'm

not either trying to, I know, you're not, you know, yeah, and I'm not collecting it

either.

But, you know, I mean, okay, the third of the five biggest risk to the hobby, be booming

is rookie hype cycles and player volatility, modern market revolves heavily around prospects

and rookies.

rookies can spike dramatically based on hype.

Injuries, poor performance or unmet expectations can quickly collapse prices.

For example, analyst note that rookie markets often swing 20 to 50% based on player performance

or expectations.

So almost a classic example is if you go back to 2020 again, the Alexis Laferne, a young

guns PSA 10 was selling for more than a thousand US dollars.

That's an outlier.

That's such an out, that's the definition of something that is an outlier.

Like today, it's 60 bucks.

Yeah.

So COVID ruined so much.

Then use.

Troyes.

No, I know.

I just say high, high percentage of to COVID era prices, it's, it shouldn't account.

So you know, a few, well, and here's why matters too, like when you look at the, and maybe

this is more applicable to basketball or baseball that have bigger, bigger size to their hobby.

But a few high players failing can wipe out billions of perceived hobby value.

Look at the whole wander franco thing, right?

He was the guy and then in an instant was poison.

Yeah.

For good reason.

Good word.

Yeah.

But, but think how much money was lost in a day when that story came up.

Mm-hmm.

I think I'm putting buy field collectors, oh, he's not that good.

Always great.

Oh, he's not that good.

Oh, he's great.

Oh, he's not that good.

There you go.

Number four is industry consolidation and monopoly risks.

So the card industry, as we know, is becoming more centralized, not just by manufacturers, but

by grading as well.

You look at like fanatics.

They now control most of the exclusive league licenses.

And then you have legal battles with companies like Panini, that highlight competitive competition

concerns.

And here's the risk of one company dominating.

It slows down innovation.

And that means that companies are less apt to change to adapting markets.

And prices could still rise, collectors can lose trust, healthy markets, need competition

and product diversity.

So my hope is given that the leagues are, it's not the companies.

It's not cops' fault or fanatics, it's not upper decks' fault.

We always have to remember the leagues chose that they want to have one partner.

And we're grateful that Hockey was selected upper deck because we're big fans of upper

deck.

But as long as they choose to do that, I do feel like on maybe the positive side of this,

that because there's so much interest in collecting of anything, I just watched a YouTube video,

it's like a long one, about how like on fire dinosaur collecting is.

Hey, what?

Oh, we mean fossils?

Dinosaur bones, yeah, on fossils.

Yeah, yeah, true.

Not terrible.

People are like the skyrocketing in value.

Nicholas Cage is happy.

He's got a few.

Yeah.

And so you know, maybe just competing for a disposable income or collecting dollars as

a whole.

And I do feel like on the, I don't know if our friends that upper deck would ever admit

this, but I think that they, I think the fanatics innovation has, you know, put a little

fire in their belly in a good way.

I, I'm so proud.

I do feel we're in good hands.

I so much good has happened in the last couple of years.

They could, they could just being friends with Billy.

I know we bring him up a lot.

He is incredibly passionate about his job.

Love him or hate him or his designs, whatever.

I love passion in anything someone does.

That means they're putting everything they got into something and we have that with

upper deck.

Everyone that we've met, I don't think they'd hire somebody that wasn't passionate.

I mean, sometimes we critique what direction their passion went in, but I don't think

the hard work is ever in question.

And I do not a very, very blessed that we are in good hands with, well, you can't see

it.

It's up there.

Not afraid to try.

You know, Billy is not afraid to try something.

Yeah.

I mean, how does he swing that through Billy spending machine paradise for every chemical

composition though, there's liquid gold and where you know, it's human nature.

And so Billy will be criticized or anyone or Tony or Pat or Matthew or anyone at upper

deck, any of the product managers or the design team, they're going to get criticized way

more often than they get credit for the or the outburst, right?

That's Billy's set too.

So in, you know, you can be mad at the animation, think of what the outburst parallels have

meant for this hobby.

It's awesome.

Yeah.

And so there you go.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

The last one I came up with is market saturation of graded cards.

You know, grading, you know, this is kind of like a darned if you do darned if you don't

because I think grading has had a big part in fueling the boom, but it's also maybe creating

a risk.

It's getting the point.

Of course, when you have millions of modern cards being graded, it goes back to like

the production thing.

It's like the junk wax there, right?

It's like at some point if every card is graded, does that make a graded graded card special?

Any more when when thousands of PSA 10 copies exist, of course scarcity drops.

Some collector, some collectors worry the market is becoming overloaded with graded

modern, modern cards and you know, why it matters, you know, grading premium depends on

rarity, too many slabs can compress prices for rookies like Peddard, Sobriini and whoever

comes next, you know, are we going to announce is the norm?

New norm going to be 10, 15, 20,000, young gun PSA 10s pretty soon.

It feels like it's going that way.

And the big question here is will hobby grow enough for the demand to keep up with supply?

Or does PSA need to get I'm kind of like more and more in favor of them

getting really, really, really, really tough on grades and then spending more time.

It would be ideal.

Yeah.

It would be ideal.

I'm so conflicted.

I'm I'm I'm past thinking about it.

It's just not in my way anymore, but it is such a front and center part of our hobby.

I think I agree with you, Josh, it'd be nice if they got really, really strict on grading

to be because with it's normal, right?

Nine, like, whoa, like holy crap, you got a nine, wow, oh my god, a 10.

You already call in nine, you know, nine's already mint.

So then the 10, you know, no one cares, I buy, you're right.

That's the problem.

That's the problem though.

Yeah.

So, you know, like you just said, make eights, whatever you said, I wasn't listening.

Make it's the new norm, make it's like a good, well, okay, you go back five, six years,

right?

A graded eight card was a collector's grade.

There's value to it.

A nine was a, and then a 10 was like the, you know, a lucky sort of like a very rare and

exclusive thing.

And actually, the more I think about this, you know, I know that PSA has been trying

to slow down submissions because they can't keep up with demand by raising the price.

Maybe the best way to slow down submissions is to get super tough on grading and make

it public.

There's no point.

The transparency is what's missing in our hobby.

That's what keeps me.

It keeps me.

It generates down to 10%.

Then, you know, people are spending $35 to throw every random card in the final amount.

And power.

Well, we're dudes.

We like to tinker with things, right?

How many guys with a Lou, every show I go to, I see more guys with loops, more guys,

and I like that part of the hobby.

I love it when Sylvanne grabs a batch of 30 young guns and he picks his favorites.

That's one of my favorite parts of the way he does business and collects.

Make that, make that a thing that we're guys.

A lot of us like to do that.

Put out a PSA buying guide.

They won't.

That's why I love Jeff Mullin at the authority.

I can't wait when he was speaking about a universal grading list and make it tough.

Make it tough as nails.

And then that way, the collecting, that could be a new part of our culture.

If you want grading to be part of our hobby, I don't think grading is going anywhere.

Like to make it fun more or make it more, more of a cool thing.

Imagine a bunch of little kids with their magnifying glasses and they're like, oh, I only

got a six.

I bet you can get an eight on this next one.

Lower the scale.

We're okay with it with vintage.

Why aren't we okay with it with modern, right?

It's a little, a little top heavy.

We want it to be like, as heavy, you know, like in the middle.

Oh, other than price with the bump of a 10, the 10 doesn't mean much anymore.

You know what I mean?

It's just a dollar figure and I agree.

That needs to make the scale a scale.

Yeah.

Well, I think even outside the to your point, Louis, outside hockey, when you have that

example that we learned about where McDonald's did the Pokemon promo and within a few

months, there was a hundred thousand PSA tens of the Charizard.

A 10 is meaningless at that point.

So yes.

Yeah, but they, I'm not being mean.

I'm just, I hope I'm not pointing out the obvious, but it's not meaningless if you work

at PSA and have share options, stock options.

We, I'm sorry, we graded how many?

Let's go.

Well, let's go right to long term viability, though.

I think it is mean.

You know, you have to, as a company, yeah, we're towards the future.

Yeah, because long term viabilities, what everybody looks at.

Come on, man.

I want my money and I want it yesterday.

I mean, we should be expecting, you know, I don't want to take away that we're not good

as humans, as what we print and our machines can't do it.

I mean, yeah, the technology we have now, you think you could rip tens off all day long,

right?

But it's new, but I don't know.

This is just so hard.

I just, I want, I want the 10 to be more meaningful, you know, I, the saturation of

graded cards is great for guys like me.

I'm buying Marcel Dionne eights guy.

You should see my base card collection of Marcel Dionne.

I bought it for a fraction of the price of my Daniel Alfritzons and most of them have

been graded like eights and nines that no one cares.

I get a third year Marcel Dionne PSA nine for like 15 bucks.

It's perfect card, perfect hockey card.

It's great.

I love it.

I think we have to acknowledge though that sometimes like consumers like speak differently

with their mouth than their wallet.

And because I guy, so if all like the grading sort of like complaints, wouldn't one way

to solve it be this for any company or the BPSA or tag or back any of them, right?

To say we're going to change how we do our service.

It's a hundred dollars to get a card graded any card.

And we're going to take 10 minutes on that card and we're going to have AI and computers

and we're going to have multiple experts look at it.

And we're going to focus on getting the most accurate grade that we can human that's

possible through humans through all the latest technology so that you can be supremely

confident in the value of the grade.

No one would do it.

I think people freak out that it's a hundred bucks.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't want you to look at my card for 10 minutes.

Just give me the grade and we'll get it back to you by 2029.

No, no, no, with the hundred dollars, like a reasonable turnaround.

Like we'll get it back in a month or something like that.

But but we're going to we're going to demand the entire focus is on quality and consistency,

right?

We're if and again, the market kind of tells companies what they want.

And so based on PSA's success, it doesn't kind of mean that that we the market, we the

hobby that are dictating which company wins that what we truly value the most is cheap.

And you know, I think we value 10 out of 10s.

I think that's what that to me that meant that's what that grading experiment has done.

Humans are easily made excitable.

Oh, I got a 10 out of 10.

Me too.

I love it.

It's a double.

Didn't it?

Where it's now, maybe it, it, it, it, it, it's just, it's psychology, man.

It really is.

I like your hundred dollar grading.

That's good.

I'd rather say leave it the way it is and just bump up your 30 seconds to three, four,

five minutes of card.

And maybe it's an extra month before I get it back.

And no, if you seven acts the minute, the seconds and, and minutes, then you're seven

X in the months too, right?

So yeah.

And let's not get like lost in the amount of time.

Let's say whatever time it takes to get a supremely consistent and confident grade,

and which is going to cost more.

I mean, that's, it's reality.

You can't, when you're grading, two and a half million cards a month, if you're going

to spend five minutes and say, Hey, Dave, take a look at this and jam, do you agree that

this isn't, that ain't happening at P.S. P.S.A., but that's what I'm saying.

It's going to take a thousand employees.

But that's what I'm saying is you have to not complain, then, that it's going to take

longer than it is.

And it's going to cost a lot more.

Well, regardless if it costs more or not, yeah, it's still going to take longer if you

want us to spend more time looking at the card.

You know what?

I thought that was going to go.

It's more than a quick fill.

I'm sorry.

And then I'll, but if it does, in that case, though, if you truly valued getting cards

graded that are meaningful, not just every card laying around your house, and it was

so important for you to have the, a great encapsulation, great protection and the, and the,

the true reflection of what that, the, that grade should be, then a hundred dollars

shouldn't be a problem.

No.

You're going to grade less cards, but is that a bad thing?

No.

And still at that point, can't you tell him if it's not a ten?

Don't slab it.

You still paid it, but, you know, I think in, I just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

at some point with technology flying so fast, I think one day for $10,000, would you buy

a cube that's, let's say, 18 inches by 18 inches, and it's, it's a, a cube with a little

stand right in the middle.

And you put that, you connect it to your Wi-Fi, you put any card in the top loader or

one touch, whatever their system is, maybe they have a proprietary case.

And you put it in and you just close the door and you press the button.

It's instantly graded by somebody at headquarters, right, because you're connected to the internet.

You'll never have to mail your card again.

It's instantly graded and a laser beam, some type of QR code, I don't know, okay, maybe

not.

Well, the thing you're missing there, I have agreed with you because I think that that's

coming.

But the, I think what you're going to see, I would guess in less than five years is some

company is going to put machines at hobby shops where it's like, it's like the, remember

the old like Netflix, that's what I'm saying, you're going to put your card in there and

it'll come out graded and slapped.

Well, we, that's, yes, yes, can't say anymore because that damn paper we signed, but yes.

I agree, Josh and Louis, yes.

So any other risk points that you guys can think of when, you know, what could make this

go.

Well, I think, I think, I think sports cards are the first thing to go if society goes.

I mean, I mean, that's how he's already, you know, the new, I mean, stamp collectors are

right there with us, right, like, I mean, I, I, I collect, I used to collect silver coins.

I mean, I still do and I'm glad I have a lot of junk silver at my house.

I mean, I, I would much rather have that than my hockey cards if the apocalypse and the

zombies attack.

Okay.

Sorry.

Got dark.

I've been watching a lot of science fiction lately.

Yeah.

Okay.

Anything else that you could think of Louis or are we ready to move on?

No, you did good.

It sure makes you think, but things to make you go, hmm, at the end of the day, if you're

in it for the, the right reasons, you can't lose.

That's the way that I look at it is that I'm, you know, it's kind of like the, if the

market goes down, then I get excited that I get to buy more cards I didn't have access

to.

Yeah.

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Okay.

So we already know that Matthew Schaefer cards are dominating with the series two release.

The Schaefer sensation.

Is that better, Phil?

Yeah.

Schaefer sensation.

That's cool.

Okay.

Okay.

Well, give us comments.

If we have Breanie Mania, but our to Paloza, what are we going to have for Schaefer?

I think it would feel a little redundant at this point to go over the big secondary market

sales for the young Islanders defenseman.

So I thought today we'd look at the very early still top five series two sales that are

not Matthew Schaefer.

No Schaefer allowed.

See what other players the hobby is chasing out of the gate.

And of course, any and all of these sales made or placed on eBay would have been verified

as paid for in therapy.

So you want to guess what player the not Matthew Schaefer player dominating series two would

be?

Sure.

Ben Kindle.

No.

No.

Michael Misa.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There we go.

Nice.

So he kicks us off at number five with his young guns exclusives out of a hundred Ross

well for 991 US dollars via eBay best offer in March 7th via via via.

Then we got a couple of gold outbursts already.

So number four is the Will Smith second year base card gold outburst one one Ross well

for two thousand one ninety six US.

That's big locks man.

That's.

Doesn't that seem really.

That's great.

All these gold outbursts go for crazy money.

They're so cool.

Number three.

Hey, I have not to get off topic, but still I have not seen a he sure.

Would you go pretty aggressively after it if you found one?

I would.

Yeah.

I think it'd be cool to have.

I just.

He's going to have a lot though.

He's going to have a lot.

Do you have any gold outbursts Phil?

I have.

I have a gold outburst of that my boy Ed from Detroit gave me the Brady Kitchok all

start.

Oh, yeah.

He's the minty cough.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Collector.

Yeah, check him out.

Good guy.

I forget his Instagram, but he's got like every minty cough and they're great guards.

Great patches.

He's great.

Collector.

Yeah.

Isn't a good guy.

Ed's something like that.

Yeah.

Good guy.

He's another gold outburst.

It's a young gun, though.

The Alexander Nickishin.

Nickishin.

Nickishin.

Nickishin.

Nickishin.

Sorry.

I'll first go one, one.

So for 2,496 US by eBay fixed price on March 7th.

That's so someone whoever bought that's an instantly going to be his biggest collector.

I mean, how would you not?

If I hit that in a pack, I guess what Phil's a Nickishin collector for the rest of my

life.

Yeah.

Number two, we go back to Michael Misa, a young gun's high gloss out of 10.

Whoa.

Ross.

So for 4,697 US on March 9th.

That's big bucks, man.

That's big buck.

Well, it makes my purchases feel a lot better.

And it might be a little weird in the context of this sale, but you know, nothing's perfect

in the hobby.

Number one is a Michael Misa young gun's opus red.

That's all for more.

Oh, my goodness, I knew this day would come.

I knew this day would come, and I'd probably be the guy to do it.

I think I would rather a red opus shape for the high gloss.

Oh, my God.

I'm so sorry.

Really?

I don't know.

It makes my shop feel cool.

Cool.

Look, and I can't argue.

It looks.

Yeah, baby.

I'm.

Yes.

How do you make the high gloss more godlike?

You got to, you got to do something.

You got to do something.

You got to make it refract or something.

Billy do something.

I'm the biggest, biggest fanboy of high gloss forever and always in exclusives.

Something my heart is changing.

Billy, go do something.

I don't know.

How many of my Brady high glosses do you have?

Three.

I have three.

I have two Jake Sanderson high gloss.

I have three Brady Kachak high gloss.

That's it.

That's all.

I know you have slowed down.

I know like you'll buy any Brady acetate.

Yeah.

If you've slowed down in general, a high gloss comes available or is that still a card

that you've got to have?

No, probably not.

I'm good at three.

I probably even sell one if like sends one the cup and some I'd probably like I'm very

I'm very happy.

I said when and if the sends win the cup with Brady.

I'm sorry.

What?

Well, turn up your hearing aid old man.

Yeah.

Maybe you should have stretched before the podcast.

You would have heard me.

You have all bad takes on everything.

You're hockey.

See, that's good timing.

Whoever's pressing that.

Obviously, Louis, not Josh because Josh is like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

you're like, you're like the Peter Griffin of the podcast.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lois, Lois.

Tell me what the fuck man is saying.

So me and Jenny is speaking a family guy.

My wife and I, we just, both of ours, the greatest family guy bit of all time was when

Stuie goes, mama, mommy, mom, mom, mom, mom, mommy, mom, mom, mom, like for 12 minutes

and then she finally goes, what?

Hi.

Peter does it to, I don't know, one of the newscasters, Lois, Lois, oh, no, no, that's his

wife.

All right.

Let's keep going.

I forgot who it was.

Katie, that's what it was.

Katie, Kirk.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If Upper Deck had to, or decided to add another parallel, which I hope they don't, what

color would you hope?

Gold.

Oh, very cool.

A different color, a different shade of gold.

Okay.

Wait, wait, wait.

What about this idea?

What if you replaced the deluxe, which is kind of blue, out of 250 with Alpers blue,

out of 250?

I like, if it's the color of the deluxe blue, yeah, I like that crimson.

Like a blue or lighter blue, yeah, gasoline blue, oh, gasoline, yeah, something like

that.

Yeah.

Oil can't blue.

About a really shiny, reflective black.

I don't know, man.

I don't know, but I feel the potential is great.

Like you could make the high gloss refract and you could make the 250 blue, yeah, they

just got to hire us.

I mean, I know baby steps are helping us sponsor the show.

I'm trying to be like project manager, but I understand, but I think for the day Jason

works for you, I think you just made him spit out his coffee, drive it to work.

Jason just drove up right here with everybody present at Jason Masha drives off the road.

He's okay.

He's okay.

He's gonna sit time-step.

Josh, I got, so I got a problem with you and I'm gonna tell you why maybe get in a car

accident.

Black, oh, burst would be kind of sweet though.

See, and here's like where I'm being totally hypocritical, because I'm terrified of them.

We just talked about like overparalization of the high, no, no, no, we're refining what

exists.

Yeah.

There's a difference.

There's a difference.

We're not adding.

We're refining what's.

Okay.

Along those lines.

So right now there's what five parallels you have, well, six, you have like clear cut,

the lux exclusives, the three outbursts, so seven parallels, acidate.

If you didn't add parallels, but you converted two of the non-outbursts into different outbursts

colors, is that's a good thing or a bad thing?

Like would that be too much outburst at that point?

And would that take away like the specialness of the red?

I would add one outburst and I would super refract my high gloss.

That's what I would do.

Yeah.

You got to do some about the deluxe, because it's a great idea.

It allows people to get into the young gun game and feel like they got something a little

bit rare, 250 is a lot, but it's not that much.

And like think of it as a pop report, what if all 250 deluxe's young guns were slabbed?

That's not bad.

In 50 years, that's, that's not going to be bad.

How many, I mean, I don't know, pick a player.

I mean, how many Jack Hughes, young gun, PSA tens are there?

Yeah.

Exactly.

Thousands and thousands and thousands.

And oh, I have a deluxe PSA 10.

Oh, wicked.

There's only 180 of them graded.

Trust me.

That'll carry some legs.

I think you're on to something that maybe the high glass now needs like a makeover.

I'll tell you this, I wouldn't be buying the Brady Kachakai glosses today after the

outbursts have come out.

No way.

I wouldn't be paying.

I wouldn't be.

The cheapest I paid was 1800.

The most I paid was 2500 and I have three of them.

That's, that's almost $10,000, dude.

I'm a single parent.

I could, I mean, I'm an idiot.

What am I doing?

You know, like, yeah, it's ridiculous.

I, I can't get that again.

I may be, you know what, maybe, maybe, I could, I mean, if I paid someone out there at

pay2k or I know another guy, I mean, I'm sure the people I offered money to are kicking

themselves now.

I, there's, there's, uh, these Toronto boys, they have three of them.

I offer 2500 each, 7500 for all three.

They said, no.

I believe it was L.O.

Well, no thanks.

Yeah.

But you wish I, but you wish I, but you wish I, well, now maybe it's the time you should

be buying Captain Canada.

Maybe.

Wait.

What?

Who, would you say?

Who's Captain Canada to you?

Kachak.

Brady Kachak is a, oh, yeah, you're patronizing me now.

Okay.

Who's Canada's Captain?

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, he's Canada's hockey teams captain.

But anyway.

Yeah.

Or no, Canada's hockey team.

No, my center, my center barely even on TV black, black, black, black,

old session.

It's okay, Greg Davis though.

It's a blackout, not for you though.

You got to watch every, every blackout game for Greg.

Oh, yeah.

It's not good on that road again.

Okay.

Personal pickups.

Phil.

Nothing.

Nothing.

Louis.

You don't have like a Jerry Brookheimer produced a card reveal video that Michael Bay.

Hey, that was awesome.

I did it for Phil.

Oh, thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

I have a Bob a Louis personal pickup.

It's a gift to share our good friend, Rollo, when I bought the OV retro young guns outburst

from him that I haven't paid for, bothers me.

He threw this in as a gift.

That was really nice.

Hey, 2025, upper deck holiday daisers, dollar, dollar bill, curl, y'all, curl the thrill,

Capriceff.

Yeah.

Nice.

Yeah.

Five games in a row, squirt of goal.

Just saying.

Yeah.

Damn, shoot.

So 14 games in a row points.

I mean, I could be lying because I don't, I don't know how that game ended yesterday

yet.

You know what?

No.

I'm looking so good right now.

Yeah.

There's two of them in limbo.

I ordered one and Tory ordered one and they both are lost.

Ooh, controversy.

The big hobby drum, hobby drum.

I like the holiday themed stuff.

I hope our product does it again next year.

Parkers.

Parkers has got a lot of a TIS this season.

They're expensive.

Man, they're spending.

TIS.

TIS this season.

Yeah.

So what old people say?

Like chestnuts and TIS this season and they're on the morrow, sir.

TIS.

TIS.

TIS.

TIS.

It's not a sad, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's

TIS season.

Yeah.

Whatever.

I mean, who am I to judge?

Because I, well, I am a world renowned name, pronounced, so you know, you're, you're very

international.

Yeah.

A man of many cultures.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Let's, let's, we're almost done, but did you have fun?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Good.

Louis.

Nobody cares.

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