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On this episode of the Hockey Cards Gongshow podcast we start with Get To Know Your Hockey Hall of Famers, this time looking at the life, hockey career, and hobby market for hockey hall of famer, Bill Gadsby (7:28). Next, Rookie Deep Dive is back, and this week we dive deep into the Pittsburgh Penguins young forward Ben Kindel (18:48). In hobby news, early Spring Expo athlete signings announced, an insane record magazine sale, and trade deadline players that have made an immediate impact (37:18). The hobby market is booming and we take a look at reasons why the market can or will eventually take a hit (50:22). 2205-26 Upper Deck Series 2 has made an immediate hobby impact and we take a look at the Top 5 Very Early Non Matthew Schaefer sales (1:24:44), then end the show by sharing our recent hockey cards personal pickups (1:35:55).
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Today we look at risk factors to the current hobby boom rookie deep dive is back
We count down the top five non-mathieu shafers series two secondary market sales and a whole lot more
Welcome back to episode three hundred and seventy six of the hockey cards gone show podcast presented by our good friends at upper deck
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Baba Louis Baba Louis
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Welcome to the gun show
Drive Mike
What up boys, hello, happy family. How are we good? How's everybody doing good solid over here?
Happy Thursday
Happy Thursday to you happy Thursday. I really hope my son's one yesterday
I'm moved right now, but I feel it. I feel like a four one sends victory was just had
Yeah, was yesterday's game that happened that
Was that a big game for the sense or what was the biggest game of the year really why I'm an emotional wreck
Why doesn't matter what I'm playing the play in the habs
Much better record than us and and auto was just turning it on a little too late here, but we'll see
You've got to say
The happy tongue. Yeah. Oh, I did shimmy shake my neck crack like 17 times. Oh, don't you can't do it
You're gonna hurt yourself again. Stop. You guys you guys need to stretch to stretch every day
Going for your walks they go for walks. Yeah
You stretch before the walk
No, that's great. What a crazy idea not that old like a jet
Okay, Phil
Tomorrow night big night Friday nights of Phil. What's going down big show big show? It's a huge show
We have Alex Toronto mega card collector one of one guy and I know him as Alex
You might know my Instagram is
I'm gonna go on a limb and that's not his real Instagram name. No, it is it's Toronto one guy
No, it's Toronto mega collector one of one. Yeah
Card collector. Anyways, great friend of the show very excited extremely knowledgeable talks almost as much as me
So it'll be a great time not sure if Victoria will be there. I'm not sure
But we do know if she is there she'll be gone at 9.45 that we do know
Yeah, game time. It's gonna be heavily hard in heavily card influenced. I need I need the hobbies help
And yeah, we have a good culture good good chat family there on Friday night
So I'll be showing a bit about my collection showing some vulnerability
And asking for guidance
This is a new vulnerable fill on Friday nights of Phil
It's really like puppy dogs and ice cream and squishy and cuddly. Well life is short. We get one
Yeah, that's what I believe anyways, and I think I feel it's half over so I want the last half to be fun
I want it to be full of puppy dogs and ice cream
Sprinkles with sprinkles see to believe in reincarnation. I do not I don't know where the line stops
Right like bacteria is alive. Do you want to come back as a fungus? I don't you'd for sure come back as a Leafs fan
I don't get the reincarnation freaks me out. I'd love to come back as another human
But what if you come back as a carnival goldfish?
Listen nature nature is not a Disney movie man nature is not beautiful. It has beautiful parts, but it's it's pretty ruthless
Right, so you either come back as a leaf fan or an inert object like coffee mate
Yeah, well, I don't think that's alive
Maybe a tardigrade or something out in space forever
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Okay, Louis. Are you ready with the game plan? I'm always ready fun
Starting off with gets to know your Hall of Famers
Then it's rookie deep dive
After that we'll get into some hobby news
And then it's five biggest risks to the booming sports guard market
Josh went nerdy on this one
And then we'll get into some top five early non-shafer series two sales
And then a personal pickup
Because I'm the only real
Collector on the show are you are we are gonna get started like we always do it
They're get to know your Hall of Famers series
We're on a mission to profile every single hockey off a player that's ever lived
We started with the very first Hall of Fame class
Which was inducted in 1945
And have since been working our way to the present day
Today's Hall of Fame player we're gonna profile is Bill Gadsby
Phil what's your fill Bill Gadsby moment
Oh
When he was great the great Gadsby the great Gadsby I thought that too
No, that's I think spelled differently
Of course that's Gadsby with the T
Wonder if he was in the jazz, you know
Did you guys like that book? I know I found that very hard to get through. I don't read in high school
I think but I don't remember it
Well, he's one of your isn't he some
Scott Fick's Gerald F's captain's trail. Yeah. Yeah, American novelist right like Benjamin Button guy and yeah
I find he's a hard read. I'm not really into the jazz stuff
The flappers
Yeah, I don't even bail wolf in high school. You guys have to read that book too
No bail watch the movie. Scott bail wolf. Scott bail. Scott bail Charles in church
My crush growing up was Nicole Ager and not on Baywatch, but when she's on Charles in church Charles in church. Oh
Smoke show smoke show
Nicole like
Megan Fox transformers. I'm sorry. That's the that's the classic. That's I heard those two might be coming back to transformers
I heard that too. I know. I know she's different now, you know, but hey, I mean one in a row
Right
William Alexander Gadsby lived from 1927 until passing away at the age of 88 and 2016
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Born in Calgary, Alberta and Pasway in Farmington Hills, Michigan
I feel like a lot of these guys have what what's the story with Farmington Hills, Michigan and Hall of Fame players
I feel like a number have
gone there to
Live out their golden years you guys can't change like you have so many farming tins and like it's like main street in a little town
Right, there's everyone's got a main street. Well, you're a lot of town get it farming them
Yeah, well, I don't know like
I got nothing like Graceland. Oh, that's yeah, that's really uncommon there
So we live in Farmington, Minnesota my kids and Louise kids go to Farmington High School
One condition of living in Farmington like when you're playing
neighboring and rival sports teams as they joke that you go to school and tractors
What's like? Oh, yeah, whatever, right?
The the sad part though is right next to our high school
There's a farm and like if you're out on like the soccer fields or the baseball fields
There's cows moving and it smells like manure. So if you got a north wind you're in trouble. Yeah
Farm good thing farmers feed cities. So if that's good that there's respect there for the farmer
Bill was a left-shot defenseman played at six foot 190 pounds
And in a career that lasted from 1946 until 1966 20 years played for three NHL teams the Chicago Blackhawks
New York Rangers and Detroit red wings only American teams
I guess
Despite a 20 year career Gadsby never won the Stanley Cup
Oh
See the only one ever from back then. Yeah, most of the time there's six teams
Must have retired in Maple Leaf then clearly we'll find out never played. Oh, no, he didn't okay. Well, I actually
The closest he came to a cup was in 1964 losing in game seven two
The Toronto Maple Leafs
He was named in NHL first all-star team selection three times twice the second all-star team selection
And in 1248 career games scored 130 goals added 438 assists for 568 points
After his playing career ended Bill spent a couple seasons coaching
The Detroit red wings before I guess leaving hockey for good
Okay, why should we care about Bill Gadsby?
There's some crazy parts to a story before the NHL ever knew him Gadsby survived
One of the opening civilian tragedies of World War 2
At age 12 he and his mother were aboard the SS Athenia when it was torpedoed by a German U-boat
And then they it sunk and they escaped via lifeboat before being rescued
Oh my god
Keep going yeah, no kidding uh
Oh
Back to Western Canada he kept building his game and Calgary and was part of the Alberta
Championship but champion team and championship team in 1942
Louis you were there probably cheering real loudly
Big Calgary midget fan
He then spent two seasons and the Edmonton junior Canadians
Run that put him on Chicago's radar Chicago signed him in 1946 and instead of a long apprenticeship
He jumped right into the NHL playing 48 games as a teenage rookie while the Matthew Schaefer of his time
Oh, well, well settle down. Yeah
Quickly became a regular in Chicago and stayed there into the 1954 55 season learning the hard way on
Rugged original six teams even though those blackhacks teams did not win much
He rose high enough to be capped in twice and make the NHL second all-star team in 1953 and 1954
He was on the ice in 1952 when teammate Bill Mosenko scored the famous three goals in 21 seconds
And Gaspi later said he had never seen anything like it since
That same year brought a scarier fight though
During the blackhacks training cap in 1952 he contracted polio
Spent weeks in the hospital recovered but was still able to play the whole season
So he had polio and he was sunk he was on a shit those sunk by a German U-boat
That is crazy. At least they didn't have the women and children rule
At that time
Well, he was a child there's 12. Oh, yeah, never mind. You did say that. They probably did have a women and children rule
His whole career carried that same tone he absorbed roughly 650 stitches
Play hockey
Broke his nose eleven times
And lived by the idea that if he's still at a pulse he should play
Chicago dealt him to the Rangers on November 23rd
1954 moved that change the offensive side of his career a few months later on March 12th
1955 he delivered one of the most famous clean body checks of the era
leveling Tim Horton so hard
That Horton suffered a broken jaw and a broken leg. Oh my goodness. I think I've heard of this before
Yeah, yeah, I just didn't know it was this guy
Holy wow, that's a big hit when you break his jaw a guy's jaw and like
I think that's where the term bone crushing came from
New York gave him room to show more offense and in 1955 56 he had a career high 51 points in her first team
All-Star honors
It was not a one-year spike the Rangers turned to him it turned him into an offensive or onto an all-star fixture with first team selections in
1956 5859
Plus a second team nod in 1957 the
1958 59 he matched the 51 point high that was set
Was then the NHL record for assist by a defenseman with 46
By the end of the 1915 he had gone from respected Chicago captain to one of the league's premier defenseman in New York
On June 12th 1961 the Ranger sent him to Detroit
Opening the final chapter of his career and Detroit the time he'd finally matched the talent because of red wings
Breach the Stanley Cup final three times in his last four seasons and did not win. I see related. Do we David? What?
To sum up
On November 4th lost my birthday 1962
He became the first advancement in NHL history to reach 500 career points
Detroit reached the final 1963 the first of three finals he had played the wings the 1964 final became near miss
That defined his playing days Detroit led Toronto three games to two and still could not close it out
He was still elite deep into his 30s good enough to make the NHL second all-star team again in 1965
In 1966 he became the first NHL player to appear in at least 300 games with three different franchises
I bet you a lot of players still haven't done that. That's a lot of
That same spring Detroit opened the 1966 final
By winning the first two games in Montreal then lost four straight and Gatsby retired
When that series ended he walked away in 1966 with 1,248 NHL games 130 goals
438 assists for 568 points at his retirement. He was the league's all-time highest-scoring defenseman
What?
Yeah, really interesting. Oh again, if you're talking to senior Bobby R was a rookie. Do you think about that?
The strange truth about Bill Gatsby's career is that he survived a torpedo attack beat polio
endured
Decades of NHL punishment and still ended up remembered as one of the greatest defenseman never to win a Stanley Cup
Quite quite the accomplishments except for old Stanley. It's too bad
Okay, we'll take a quick look at his hobby market
So Bill Gatsby's rookie card is in the 1951 Parker set
Card number 37 the black octasuries and 51 Parker's I think are nice the colors work well
with the illustrations on the card I think
The PSA 9 pictured as the highest public seller having sold for 9,600 US dollars in November 2020
Because again, he played in an era for 20 years where there was lots of hockey sets
There's tons of playing days cards. I picked out three additional ones that I just thought were interesting
The first one that I want to show is the 1953 parker's to its card number 76
PSA 9 we are showing on YouTube's highest seller having sold for just 630 US dollars in April 2022
Then he got to go from there to the iconic 1954 tops set
Because a really interesting
It's like his like neck is like in a weird position, but still cool card
It is card number 20
Again, a PSA 9 is a high-selling copy sold for 9,185 US dollars in January of 2020
And then the last card he picked is a 1957 tops. It's card number 65 and again a PSA 9
We're looking at as a high seller having sold for a 1752 US in April 2013 and boys
Boys
Boys that's your hockey hall famer Bill Gatsby
Good job Josh
That was a big one not as big as last podcast, but
big and in density
Play it players these days are just not going to have the story. It's like
McLean Salabrini, you know, he was on like a AAA team and then was on a junior's team and then was in the NHL
I think it torpedoed
torpedoed. Yeah, I know seriously
Okay, boy
Well from the old to the new
Haven't done rookie deep dive in a few weeks and thought with the release of series two and some more new
New young guns might be a good time to pick it back up
How it works as we pick four candidates throw up a hobby pole
There it is. Oh, yeah
The good listener votes and then we are then prepare a deep dive on the winner. So we had four candidates from this week
two are from
series two and once from series one we had Ben Kindle
Zeeve
boom
Eastern Cowan and all of her cabinet
Any predictions who would win that poll film?
I would as I wouldn't
I kind of want have all of them except cabinet because I don't know much about
Capital and but that's who I feel I should be picking
Okay, yeah, I don't know much about Ben Kindle either. I don't know much about any of them. I don't know tell us who won
The closest vote ever the winner won by one single vote
Oh, wow. Oh, I guess no one else cares about happening. Yeah
There were five votes. I think he's tied for the lead in rookie goals. It's got like 20 or something like that
No, but Ben Kindle is your winner at 34%
And that makes him this week's rookie deep dive. I
sometimes I feel like I'm
A and idiot
probably
And B, I live under a rock because this whole like Ben Kindle phenomenon
I've missed until the last week or two. Where is he like well, Crosby's hurt Malikin suspended because he's a danger in a
Menace to the players on the ice is he is he's been on the first line now or what I don't mean no back
Well, I mean, you know back there come out, but he's on their team, right? Yeah, I hope I'm getting that right
So I was actually excited to learn about him because I honestly know next to nothing. So here we go
Ben Kindle is the 18 year old center for the Pittsburgh penguins
We're going to get into his rookie season more in a minute
But we'll start first with how you got to the NHL
He was born April 19 2007 and no like cold Quittalum cold Quittalum British Columbia
Something I should I should be correcting you, but I'm not going to
Okay, you just because you know no one or you just want me to suffer. No, I don't I've heard it my whole life
And I cannot for the life of me repeat. I'm scared to
dictated out loud and
I'm in I know how to do it. I just don't want it to be my first shot here. So I'm not going to do it
We grew up there and also grew up in a sports family playing multiple sports including soccer
Before eventually committing fully to hockey as the young player in the Vancouver area
He developed through the Burnaby Winter Club program
One of Western Canada's premier minor hockey pipelines
Early adversity hit Kindle when he broke his hand in 2020
So this is like that my you know poor bill gasbie was sunk in the war
So you got a little bubble in your little hand
Poor bill over come a broken hand
Well, that's why that's why when we do it. I had concussion. I had a massive massive concussion in like
I don't bantam minor. It's something very my coach was screaming. I don't care if you get out on the ice
They nobody cared back then and back then it's not that long ago
No, right? So you got a bubble on your hand then get on the ice. You play through it
The concussion thing was crazy because when I played football is oh you got oh you just got your bell wrong
That's all about it
And that was a perfect
I remember laughing to my friend Mike Craig being like those Disney cartoons are accurate a with the tweeting
Because you see stars tweeting around. Yeah, it's that's not funny, but it's
It's what happened you're fine if you're not throwing up. You're good go back out there
So big-time adversity hit Ben when he broke his hand during the 21 22 season forcing on to miss half the year
But scouts still notice his playmaking ability at the John Reed Memorial tournament
What's that? Sure, it's a big deal. Never heard of it
The Calgary hitman selected Kindle in the second round of the 2022 WHO prospects draft
43rd overall betting on his hockey IQ and offensive creativity
Hmm
Before entering the WHO full-time he spent a season at Yale hockey academy's U18 program
producing 46 points in 29 games which confirmed his high-end offensive instincts
And then Kindle made his Calgary hitman made the Calgary hitman roster as a 16 year old rookie and 2324
Just think in 2023 when we were like lusting over Conor Bernard rookies
This kid was 16 and now he's in the NHL
It's crazy my my son's 18 and I'm just like did you change oil in the truck? Yeah
Louis and I've hit where this kid might be Ben Kindle might be younger than your son
I don't please don't check January 25th
Please don't check when you get the date
Okay
So you made the enter the WHO at the hitman as a 16 year old rookie and 2324
An impressive accomplishment and a league dominated by typically older junior players
Early in his WHO career you showed flashes of an offensive upside including a six-point weekend
That earned him W.H.L. Rookie of the week honors
By mid-season of that rookie campaign is already among the league's leaders and rookies scoring finishing the year 15 goals
And a team leading 45 assists
His playmaking abilities stood out immediately. He was named the Calgary hitman rookie of the year
cementing himself as one of the young
Top or one of the top young forwards in the WHO
His breakout though came in the 2425 W.H.L. season when he exploded offensively, huh
He won players explode
Mm-hmm and began appearing regularly on NHL draft boards
He started the year on fire with 11 points in his first nine games showing elite offensive vision and quick decision making with the puck
You know why why hockey iq baby hockey iq man
Can't measure it but everyone's got it
Yeah, well, listen, there's
You want hockey iq you don't you won't mock it until it's gone
Does anyone in the NHL have really bad hockey iq max domi that's so I can think of pretty much
It's about it
Yeah, yeah, well accurate shots bullseye
Anthony just quit the show our good buddy feels pop and collectors fun yeah
Kindle was selected to participate in the 2024 CHL USA prospects challenge
Remaining the top NHL draft eligible players showcased their skills for scouts
NHL central scouting ranked him inside the top 20 North American skaters mid season
Signaling for strong potential
During that season he said a Calgary hitman franchise record for longest point streak demonstrating consistency
Rarely seen from draft eligible players and he finished 2425
With the hitman with the massive 99 point campaign 35 goals 64 assists and 65 games played
One of the best offensive seasons in hitman history
Also added 15 points and 11 WGL playoff games further boosting his draft stock
On the international stage. He's represented team Canada in the 2024 helinca gratsky cup helping team capture the gold medal
All he wants something great
He later earned another international opportunity
He
At the 2025 ii hf world u18 championship gaining experience
Against best players in the group that doesn't say anything about winning there
Leading up to the 20 25 NHL draft scouts praised has elite playmaking vision
Deceptive shot release and ability to slow the game down in the offensive zone
Oh, well, it was the Pittsburgh pirates who selected Ben Kiddah who haven't thought overall
Did you say Pittsburgh panglins that used to be that hey
At one point the pirates were in NHL theme. So yeah, well, I'd still they weren't yeah, they were they were
But they're like the pirates the Pittsburgh
The Pittsburgh pirates were a hockey team
Yeah, we've talked about it on the show about 28 times. Sorry, you know
This oh, you're on
I don't want to believe right now. Go ahead. Okay. Okay. Well, the Pittsburgh panglins. Thank you, Bob Louie
I
Wait a minute, but so our young man here is five 10
Or five eight you said earlier. How short is Gary Gary's like five four is a wee last. I think always you guys can look at eye to eye brother
Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah
Yes, he's taking 11th overall in the first round by the penguins
Early one of the first cornerstone prospects of the Kyle Dubas era
Young Ben Kennell
Signed a three year entry level contract were 2.9
5 not 2.9 2.5 million officially beginning his NHL career path in Pittsburgh
He did make the penguins roster immediately becoming one of the youngest
Players in franchise history to make his NHL debut skating in his first game in October 7th 2025
And just four days later he scored his first NHL goal
Which of course is milestone moment for any rookie, especially a teenager
And through his rookie season he's shown flash flashes of offensive upside recording 14 goals 13 assists for 27 points
And 53 games a strong total again for an 18 year old rookie
Which again, I mean no 53 points is good, but I was looking because young
McLean sell brini if you guys have ever heard of him. He's another prospect
brini some kids calm
brini
He's got 90 points now and he's 19
And I was looking at well who's the youngest NHL player to score
100 points
Anyone know
Mitch Mariner
Uh, I'll pass sitting Crosby 18 years old square 100 points
No kidding. Yeah
Hermoski
At one point he ranked among the leagues top rookie scores and top power play rookies
Highland is offensive value in Pittsburgh's lineup
Uh
penguins coach Mike Sullivan has had this to say about the young Kindle for young player Ben processes the game extremely quickly his vision and hockey sense given the chance
To become a real impactful offensive player
penguins fans and hobbyists are excited because Kindle represents the first wave of Pittsburgh's next generation
Oh settle down after the Crosby Melkin era
With the potential to become a top six offensive playmaker if his development continues on its current trajectory
That's sort of the deep dive on Kindle. We'll take a look at his
Hobby market now his young guns just came out last week in series two
So I kind of thought the most appropriate way was to check out
You know, not not go over young guns values because nothing's changed much in a few days
But instead go over his top the top five highest sales of any Ben Kindle card to date along with each's respective top sale
And then of course any sale made by therapy has been
uh verified as paid by eBay has been verified as paid for in therapy
So number five and top five Ben Kindle sales is a beautiful redemption
Yeah, X marks the spot
It's from 2526 artifacts and it's all for 327 us a couple days ago March 8th
Number four is a is a young guns 20 25 26 young guns deluxe out of 250
He'll draw
I don't know if he's got like the best facial expression there
Yeah
Yeah, it's good 366 us by eBay best offer in March 5th
Number three is a team candidate juniors from 2025 black rookie auto 101
So for 425 us on March 4th all these are like within the last so I think this Ben Kindle thing
Just kind of popped off
I wish they watched our Thursday nights uh
Slabsharks we would have we would have protected you from this purchase
Yeah, how do you rate his young rookie auto
Uh you know for
Amongst his peers
B-plus
Amongst his peers B-plus they listen it's it's gonna go down hard and fast
I'm doing my hockey card journalism right now
Stay tuned for the next video
There's what we're in for a big reckoning of autographs and these children
The the the last curriculum was 2012
In in Canada and the states both our countries at the same time
The last ones got rid of cursive writing in 2012. So do the math. It's it's
In two three years. I don't think we're ever going to no one's going to want any autograph card
They won't know what that means. Don't just put their number. Yeah. They'll do. They'll just print or something
Their Instagram handle
Yeah
Yeah, number two their QR code to their social media. Oh my god. It's inscribed
Number two highest bed and kennel sales again from 2025
I predict teen Canada juniors. It says gold. I'll purse 101 though
So for 511 us by ebay best offer in March 5th. I wish our friends at upper deck would keep this to flagship
Yeah, yeah
I still think it's kind of cool. I do think it's cool, but I want to protect the sanctity
That is the developers. Yeah
Hmm too late
And the number one highest selling Ben Kim McCart ever until the next highest one
Is a 2526 young guns exclusives out of 100
It's raw so for 988
US dollars by ebay best offer in March 5th. That's a strong number
Yeah, I'm gonna let's go. I want to fly up to this one again really quick
Did they not size him or
Did he forget his regular breezers and he had to just get a spare pair or what they look
He's on a crossover. It's it's it's angled out. It looks poofier than it probably is
Yeah, how many looks too small. I like it. We're like breaking down the sizes of the Ben Kim no uniform
I think it looks good. Well, that's lovely too. That's all all these new kids do their helmet
You see favor all the time. Yeah, he always pushes this helmet up
Yeah, my favorite my favorite was the Olympics the neck guards like it like a pastor knack to see pastor knack's neck guard
I'm like, what are you doing?
I was so happy
They were not big and thick neck guards and to me that I mean, I love I can't even say the goalie's name
I can't do it. I'm so squeamish and Clint and anyway, it's just
That is such an important like imagine dying on well, I mean, that's a good way to die
I'd like to die on the hockey ring
That'd be a good way to go
Right. This is how we found your dad kid and like
That one hits home for me because obviously it's for my hometown
So we when I was at the state tournament with my brother
Who is in the real when I pulled the celebrity the guy I'm sitting next to anyone wants. That's my brother Nick
He had
There's and I think we mentioned this in the last show that they have like a big expo with like tons of
It's in that I think it's like the river center probably Louis where they had all the hockey equipment galore
They had bags and in the bags. I can't remember what brand it was, but he had for his boys a play hockey that are
11 and 8
They had the instead of the neck guard. They had the shirts that have the collar and then the
The wrist protectors as well
And it looked nice. I said well, how much are those? 150 dollars a piece. Right. I know I got I
I can see two of them right now. That's pretty nuts
That's crazy that they're that expensive. It's what isn't in hockey. I'm not fair. You're fine
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No, that's a new your show. I thought we have mustache guy on the Slipchark show
Oh, yeah, yeah, mustache collector from Instagram. Yeah, Kurt. Yeah, he's great
Are you guys gonna have like a mustache off or like a dueling moustaches or he wins he wins he puts a lot of care and effort into it
I mean they're different moustaches mines
You know chained soft foresty his is more refined renaissance
Yeah, but I've heard him talk. There's no renaissance there
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All right, how about news?
hobby news
news from the hobby
Well, boy signs a spring the snow melts
The leaves start what are the you're you're an arborist. What did they start like budding budding on the trees?
No, not yet. Not I mean, it's very warm over here
But not yet we had freezing rain all day today. It was crazy shut it down all the kids stay home
Well another sign of spring is that we start to get some
Expo autograph signers being announced. Yeah, means it's coming
Cannot wait for the spring expo
Of course this year's a little bit later
April 30th or May 3rd
That's open and we're going to be there of course excited to meet with a bunch of people from the show
So hope hope to see
Plenty of people there and a big draw for the expo always is athletes and celebrities and not not just from hockey that they get to their design autos
The team the expo team announced the signers all the way up till the expo date
But they started their first round of announcements with a theme
Have you guys seen this the theme? No
I can fly higher like an eagle
No, it's goalies
So they they how many six goalies they've announced his autograph signers
What is Troy bear is original Troy coming?
Ah, we should convince him. He's kind of nothing. Yeah, he's a six goalies. Yeah, okay. Go ahead where the tank. I didn't even make state
Brutal's is so what would he's not even really helping them. He's hurting them. He should come hang out with us
Let them win Troy let them win throw in the towel brother. It's a young man's game now young women's game. Sorry. Yeah, shit
So highlights so far are
Eddie Eddie the eagle at bell for
Kirk McLean
Murray Bannerman
Ron Graham I can't this I always struggle with this name. It's a very French name Richard
Seventy oh
I can't see the notes. I should know. I don't see. Yeah, I GNY
I don't know. I'm sorry
I need to see it. I need it. It's okay. It's okay. You know someone will correct you. Yeah
I'd like to officially apologize to all friend speakers
Those brutal. It's probably soap in the show with that every every time we record. Yeah, pretty much
Standard disclaimer and then Richard Bruder
Is he related to Marty Bruder? I don't know
It's pretty like a like a very common French name. Yeah. Yeah, like that from wise. That's a very common name
We're like Brad oh
Very common like seven law
Richard seven law
Maybe I wouldn't mind getting a cool Eddie the eagle auto. I like Eddie Belfort. Oh you could have bought one
When I read like Ed Belfort and Curtis Joseph in my memory
We're like don't one of the two of the best goalies, but where do they?
Like I've never I'm kind of scared to look up their stats. I'm like the right time in our
Come on. Well, I think Ed Belfort had a really cool helmet and Kujo had a really cool nickname and played for the blue team
That's right. I know it's before cool helmets were a thing right like he was the pioneer of
Sweet time helmet painting nice
I know Curtis Joseph was good with the media. I mean, maybe that had something to do with it too
Yeah, if you got a Belfort auto because he played for a lot of teams what team would you want?
I'd probably want black hooks like a toggle. Yeah. Yeah, I don't even I don't think of a man anywhere else. Maybe Dallas, but no
Stop that blast for me. I'm allowed to say. I'm allowed to like some things Dallas
Yeah
No, listen, we're on your side on the whole Toronto thing. You got to be on our side about the whole Dallas thing. All right fine fine
What about Houston like Houston Lee Rational
Can I like Houston stuff
The arrow I don't have a team there soon
Well, I'm just like what if I meet a woman and she's from Houston. I'm allowed to date her. You ever been there
Everything's bigger in Texas. I've you know, I know I've never been anywhere down there. Just the Bocavista
Don't poke a vista lots of Cadillacs. Yeah, that's a kind of
You want to keep up to date with all the guest signers you can check out sportcardExpoToronto.com
Yeah
Had to throw this this blew my mind this next story
So collecting is booming everywhere of course and this story comes from Yahoo collectibles
A copy of Michael Jordan's 1983 Sports Illustrated cover debut. So it's Sports Illustrated magazine
So for $229,360 US dollars via golden this past weekend. Holy moly
The magazine's graded PSA 9.6. I don't know what that means. I'm not
Uh, it's just so slow. Come on. I got to interject
Grading comics and Mac. Come on. I mean, we're ridiculous too. I know. I'm ridiculous. So let's just get out that out in the open
Grading like
You got to read it. That's the whole point of the damn thing that makes no sense
What what if page 17 is crumpled? What if there's a crease and page 17?
What you uh, go ahead
Go ahead
Prior to this sale the previous record for a graded magazine was 126,000 paid for Jordan's
1984
SI debut in a bull's uniform. So it's first SI as a member of the Chicago Bulls
Well regard this so 229,000 for Sports Illustrated
I would
That means a lot to us like I I don't know if about you guys, but or SI was a big thing in Canada Phil
But I had a subscription growing up. Did you, Louis?
No, I love I remember
Up here same thing. I mean
Of course, I was very popular up here. Obviously swim suit. Hello, Kathy Ireland, Kathy Ireland
I noticed how that cheese broke like that come with me. I was for bedroom. Well hold on hold on as as now that I'm in my 40s
I would need to uh, I need to see some pictures first. Oh, jeez. Go ahead
But but okay, and and I I do
Personally feel in the nostalgia to Sports Illustrated
But if you're spending 229,000 on a magazine you can't read that's an investment and my big worry would be
Do kids do do our kids even know what Sports Illustrated is anymore? I mean, is that any relevant like if you said somebody spent
230 grand on this they'd be like what? Well probably not, but it's not their fault either they're all our kids are
Digital aged babies, you know, Josh isn't yelling at them. He's not scolding them. He's just saying like
Yeah, from an investment standpoint
The more time goes on the less anyone we even right have a concept of what a magazine was because it's like a dinosaur
No, I know you weren't I know you weren't scolding them. It's just like yeah, but I was that's Josh angry though. I think
I'd have bought it for you're growing when you're angry
I did I'd have gotten it for Timber Wolf's legend Sam Perkins
Oh, yeah, I don't think he played for the wolves. Oh, who'd he play for like I like heavy metal magazines
But I wouldn't pay more than five bucks
Like you know or I mean for old mad magazines or cracked. I mean, I love Archie comics
I don't need those to be in good condition. I kind of like when they're rough. It's more of a story
I don't I'm leaving it alone to each their own
We grade cards
We buy graded cards people buy magazines. It's yeah, I I would love to collect mag like a original playboys or original mad magazines or
Or muscle and fitness. I remember when like the original masters of the universe came out Dolph Lundgren
I bought that magazine off eBay
I don't know like five six years ago because I remember I remember reading that at the local beckers
I really wanted that magazine. So I get the for our age. That's a good time here, but
Oh, I didn't do tiger beat too too much. No, I got a mad magazine story for you
It's pretty sad you sneaky Canadians
My dad and I were driving back from
We were I don't remember where we were
Fishing camping on an island and we were coming back through the border and they decided to search the car and the boat
And I got back into the car and we were about a mile or two down the road
And I was going to get my mad magazine again, and then some of the bitches stole my magazine
Oh, so they're illegal in Canada. You can't have magazines that are I think I bought it in Canada
And I was something to read on the way home and maybe the guy to take a number two
And he was like sorry kid. This is getting lost in the socks. Here. He needed something to read
Yeah, we got lost friendly
Anything from the early 80s at this point is like gold. Did you guys see to that a
A Megatron
Dissolved for 140 grand or something like that
Generation one. Yeah, yeah, it's got to be a
I remember my friend had that
It turned into like a rouger or something like that. I love. Yeah, it's transformers. I don't mind
Yes, it did Josh. Uh, transformers all always buy for the toys
But I don't want them in good condition because I'm not good at transforming them never have been never will be
I that's why like he man
It's much much more forgiving, right? So I would I would completely spend thousands of dollars on a perfect battle cat
You know like I would do that. That's amazing
But obviously I have like four or five I can play with you know
Sure
All right
Last story in hobby news. I just thought this was kind of fun
So we had the trade deadline on Friday overall 33 players change teams
five of those players though
Did score on the opening game with their brand new team?
Oh
My answer good way to start and since we haven't talked about Minnesota and forever on the show
I know we'll start with Michael McCarran who was fresh off the boat from Nashville
scored a goal the game winning goal and wilds four to victory in his first game over the vaunted
And sometimes scary Vegas goal in the night
Then on Saturday Calgary's Ryan Strom L.A.'s Scott Lotton
Tampa Bay is Cory Perry and Ottawa's Warren Fogel. Yeah
Oh, it's a quick ginger. He's a quick fast his his the name Warren Fogel to me
Seems like he should have been like a 1968 folk singer
Watch him in an interview you'd be like that is Warren Fogel
Related like his name gets imperfectly extremely lovable
Yeah, extremely lovable and when I saw him in an interview, I'm like you gotta be kidding me
I'm like this is amazing
Perfect third line winger. Oh man. He's just great. Very welcome to welcome to the clubman. I completely forgot about Michael McCarran
Yeah, such a riveting move
I was old on California Dave slided him in one of our text messages
I'm a little upset he did that because now and I really like that kid
So Fogel. Yeah, there's a good luck with the two goals, man
New PC Matt
Well, DJ Smiths are head coach now, so I'd be I'd be I'd be super pissed off too if I was Dave. Yeah
Good luck with that potato
If you had to pick a
Ottawa Senators player that you currently don't PC. Yeah, two PC. Who do you pick?
Linus Omar
No
Probably stutzle. Yeah, so I was gonna guess. Yeah, probably because he's he
I love his personality and his attitude. He's just like such a big kid
And he truly loves the game and he he doesn't he doesn't remind his mannerisms don't remind me of Jason Spetsa
His love of hockey reminds me of Jason Spetsa and I've a
Real nice Jason Spetsa collection
Yeah
On the wild who do you pick Louis
To PC yeah, other than who
Well, who do you do I guess you know, okay, so if you had to if you started PC and anyone on the wild
Apparently you'd like the wild, but you don't PC anyone. What's going on?
I just got a whole bunch of their cards. I can't I can't say Caprice off because I collect his cards
I can't say favor. I got his cards. I can't say boldly. I got his cards
Well, you can have a couple cards of a player and I'm I'm seeing like like to the level of he sure
Come on man. I a hardcore lean in like I really collect Brady could chuck. I really collect the standards but not really anybody else
I'm gonna roll with
Pitlick
Lance
Rem
I guess
See
Well, I got to I'd say act Eric's an act underrated center, baby
Okay, no time is manic
No, uh, hola hola
Okay boys
Getting back to the hobby market
We are going to
Maybe not maybe back to the hobby market
Want to talk a little bit. I don't know if it's like negative, but because
Yeah, I think it's more like real talk about the the hobby market and you know markets go up and down
There's no avoiding that it can't go up forever
It's gonna go down at some point and
It's good for us to prepare for that. Yeah, even though it's badarta polusa and breeding mania
You know, it's about shaper
We said shaper mania or shaper polusa shaper bananza. Yeah shaper banana. We'll think of something
I like that two f-shafers
choices
What shaper
Shaper you leaned it when you got it or two inches makes a difference on the audio
man like
hahaha
So I was thinking but he here's like where the this whole conversation comes from
I know like you guys know and everybody knows at some point the market's going to go down
But I legitimately and I'm trying to I pride myself on being pragmatic. I feel like
How at this point it just feels so like stable and real and it seems like the whole world is falling in love with collecting
And so, I wanted to do some research and say, okay, if and when, and well, more when,
it does come back a little retract or collapse, however, whatever fear and loathing you want
to put into it.
I think your metaphor, yeah.
I think your metaphor, you know, whatever strikes your fancy.
Like, what are the most likely reasons for that to happen?
And so, I came up with five and did a bunch of research, had help from the robots a little
bit, but here's what I came up with.
And I think these are good things to think about, right, and maybe things to look out for.
I don't know.
So the first reason why, you know, what could impact or risk to the current booming market
is overproduction and too many parallels.
We kind of know this.
We've talked about it before, but, you know, it is the biggest historical risk to over,
to supply overwhelming demand, right?
You can go back to reference the junk wax era, where, and again, modern sets now often
include dozens, if not hundreds of parallels, excess printing and parallel inflation can
reduce long-term scarcity and resale value, you know, collectors feel that cards aren't
truly rare anymore, prices and demand could fall, and you go look at not so much in hockey,
but for like a current hobby perspective, you go into like, when Penini was producing
basketball or even tops in their baseball sets, and this is even crazy from the hockey
comparison standpoint, but some of those sets have 50 plus parallel varieties now, 50.
That's too much.
I think like the most I've counted in hockey is like around 20, maybe like 17, 20, and
that feel like, remember, we know like that ice is being reconfigured, but a couple years
ago, ice got pretty bad, where artifacts might be the worst one, right?
That's the famous party time pat where there's-
A lore has got too many, too.
Where it's like blue parallel, blue aqua, blue velvet, summertime blue, sapphire blue,
right?
It's like, okay, there's like seven blue parallels alone, but, and then, you know, the
hiking example on the printing side is, of course, you go to 90, 91 upper deck, was there's
no official numbers given, but I kind of went down a rabbit hole on this one to try, it
was printed in what's been confirmed as extremely large quantities, meaning that you could
probably buy cases for the rest of our lives and open them up and never risk that running
out.
And so, even though it had like the yogur rookie in Fedorov and Beret, right, just the
fact that there's so much of it, it keeps the values, the values down.
And, you know, why this matters, of course, is scarcity drives value.
And collectors realize, everything is rare, quote unquote, nothing's rare, right?
And I think that that's like the big thing to think about, and so is he, is he even navigating
the boom?
And I think this is like, as, as I hope I've gotten better in the hobby, that my biggest
focus in the last year and a half at least has been trying to identify cards that I think
are, like, have like true rarity or a specialness, whatever that means, with the
specialness.
Go ahead, Phil.
Problem with overproduction, I think, is that we won't, we don't know until it's too late,
right?
So, it's a, it's a bit of a lagging indicator.
And from a business point of view, why wouldn't a company just like keep printing it?
Like, well, no, we're printing too much, like they're buying it.
Who cares?
And then it's still being printed once the numbers of who's buying it's are coming in,
then they stop.
But us as being the people in that hobby, it's like, oh, it's overproduced.
So to that point that you're making is that, I don't know, how do these manufacturers
balance that, because we know tons and tons of people are starting to collect.
And there's a lot of new collectors.
So you're going to have to produce more, yeah, more collectors.
But how do they know where they don't, I don't think it matters.
I don't think it matters when through, like, so I have a small business at one point.
I had six crews working every day.
So it doesn't matter, like if I had 12 crews working every day and I had three twice the
problems, I don't care that much.
It kind of just all comes out in the wash when you're making money, hand over fist.
Now, if I had 18 crews, well, I'm just, I'm not going to care about any, any, like,
oh, your product's going down.
Yeah, well, people keep hiring me, 19 crews, 20 crews.
Oh, Phil, your product's going down.
Well, I don't care.
I'm making money, hand over fist.
I think you're asking an ethical question.
Well, there is kind of a, I don't know how scientific it is, but there are jobs at
big companies that in the CPG world, and I guess trading cards are a consumer package
good that do demand planning, right?
So if you work at Oscar Meyer and the Weiner factory, dream job for Louis, they have
demand planners because they don't want to make too many weeners.
Yeah, but the cost of the weeners to them is far less, is far less than the consumer.
So the risk for them, risk management, I mean, they could just print to oblivion.
I wish I could explain it better, but it makes sense in my head what I'm trying to say.
Like they could print, they could over print two to three years, lose money.
Oh, no, we printed too much crap, but the risk management, it's far better with that
type of, that type of business plan to move forward.
If I was up for deck, I would just keep printing into oblivion.
I mean, what, like, why not, right?
Like what they're going to lose lots of money if they print 10% too much?
No, they're not.
Come on.
They'd have to print like three X to be like, oh, we lost all our profits.
We've three times.
They're not that silly.
They know what they're doing, right?
That's a win out of your sales or something.
Sorry, I don't know.
I'm just listening, processing.
I don't know.
What I'm saying could be absolutely ridiculous, too.
It's a very strong possibility.
You lost me at weeners.
Lewis is still dreaming, dancing on clouds with weeners falling all over him.
I could work in the weeners.
Hot dogs.
Hot dogs.
I'm just trying to think of how they could do this without calling it an overproduction.
Like who cares if there's, you know, you were saying all the different blue parallels.
So, what if there's five different blue parallels and reds and greens and whatever's,
but would it help if they were all out of 100, 300, with that matter?
Well, I think you can limit the parallels, but there's, I'm glad you made your comment
because there's two different types of overproduction we can talk about.
There's over producing parallels and trying to create too much manufactured scarcity.
And then there's just flat out printing too much of the product, which kind of goes
in hand and handle a little bit because the more parallels you make, the more product
you can produce and have like your quote unquote numbered hit in the, I just think it's
a tough balance.
Like, you go back to, you know, we, we think about like the junk wax air and overproduction,
but there's been very recent examples of underproduction.
The first edition of PWHL was very, very good thing though that worked out well.
I think it's top of mind for, especially for upper deck tops, I could care less about.
I think it's top of mind.
They know that 90s, that's, that's a blip in our hot timeline, make that mistake again.
They're not going to make that and, and we're constantly reminded by Billy, I wasn't
out of upper deck when all these problems have, yes, Billy, we know, and so a lot, a lot
of their heavy hitters, their dream team weren't there, but I think as a company, they're
very aware not to do that again.
So they, I think, I think we're in really good hands, man.
I think they'll air on the side of caution.
And I really do believe they know what they're doing for the most part.
Everything else is kind of up in the air and how, how things roll out, right, in tentables.
So the second risk that I came up with, I think is, is interesting.
It's too much speculation instead of collecting.
Well, that's the hobby.
Sorry.
Next game, yeah, that's the, that's the hobby now.
That's why I think people like us, because we're, we're a little bit like that, but we're
a lot of not really like that.
Yeah, it's like Germany spectrum thing, right?
You're not one necessary, it's not binary, right?
You're kind of a little bit of each, but a large portion of the hobby today is investor-driven,
not collector-driven, you know, influencers and breakers, hype cards as investments.
New buyers often enter chasing quick profit rather than collecting.
Markets driven by speculation tend to boom fast and correct fast, right?
That's the historical perspective on that.
Many analysts warn collectibles should be treated primarily as a hobby rather than a
reliable investment.
And if you go to like the hockey perspective, right, during the 2020-21 hobby boom, the
McDavid Younggun's PSA 10 jumped from roughly, and I went back and I looked at the graph.
It was, it went from a thousand to 4,000 US in a matter of a couple months and then came
back down, you know, and as low as 2000, it never went back down to a thousand, but around
like 22, 2300 since then, and it was kind of waffled between that and 3,000, but, you
know, and so these prices we're seeing now, we can't assume that maybe a year or two
from now, they won't be as high, you know, everything doesn't always just go up.
Right.
And why that matters.
If prices stop rising, here's why matters, right?
When prices stop rising, when markets are full of speculators, then they take their money
out of that market quickly and put it in other places.
I never noticed I'm in a market.
Every card show I've been to in my life, every, this is how I gauge it.
This is my market.
Ah, the show's busy today.
Yeah.
I never know, like markets correct and the hobby's hot and I are a lot of people, we're
not.
I've just, I've never looked at, it's just one of the worst asset classes on the freaking
planet.
I, I, I struggle every time someone brings up this type of terminology.
Like, you could pick anything else, anything else, pick a precious metal bullion, like
by palladium and rodeo, it's way more secure.
Like, I just, I, I can't take anybody seriously that's trying to make big bucks in our hobby.
I just can't, man, I, it's ridiculous.
It's, it's such a speculative thing.
It's cardboard.
It's other men's accomplishments.
It's just everything about it is so silly.
I think it's at least 50% luck in this and I have studied this every day for four years
and I'm not trying to say I'm the smartest guy in the world, but I don't think that there's
some hidden like a beautiful mind formula that you can crack the market.
There's so many variables and so many irrational variables that I, one of my, I, I'm going to
get caught one day, but when, when I go to the, we'll use the expose and example, because
there's all walks of life on our, from our continent at the expo when someone's like,
Hey, man, how's it going?
And they're all very serious.
I'm like, Hey, man, how's it going?
Can I help you with anything?
Anything you're looking for?
When they're so serious and they're so business oriented, it's sad to me.
I'm just like, dude, you, you'd be probably way more successful in something else.
Like you're, you know, like you're making great eye contact from handshake or business cards
aren't are great.
I've seen you a thousand times.
I feel like a vampire who's lived a thousand years who've seen this, you know, like,
and then they're probably not going to be there in the next two, three years and they're
usually not.
No.
Well, before social media, after social media, during social media, all, all, like, you,
you got to, I say a lot of silly things, but I, I've been in this for a while, it, it
is the worst asset class to try and make it.
It's like, if I had three kids in a family and my bills are, oh my God, my, what are you
doing?
Just, you, you better, you better have a hook.
You better have a stick, you know, you better be a, uh, uh, the Western Canada Slabshark
Sky or have your own consign company or you better be a big ball, a big heavy hitter
in the industry to make money because flipping cards, man, and this guy, I, I, I, I, I,
I don't know why I've said this a million times on a show, but I think the only way I will
ever make, I have the chance to make money in this hobby is by going the, by taking the
collector perspective and then getting lucky.
It's like by cards that I just think are awesome looking and I think have some sort of characteristics
that make them unique or stand out from other cards and then maybe someday, but, but every
time I try to be an entrepreneur, like you like to say, fill and say, well, I'm going
to buy a $500 card and sell it when it's a thousand that that, it's speculation and
then that's when the gambling comes in and like, I, I don't want to admit it, but it is
gambling, right?
Like, and I, I don't want to join that, that crew, but like, let's, but that's no fun
either, though.
If you're, you know, you go out and buy something like that and you're, you're hoping you're,
you're waiting for that to happen.
That totally drains the collecting.
It's a nice part of it.
It sure.
If it happens.
That is an ego fit into that.
I think, though, Louis, like, you know, like you look at, well, the prevalence of social
media and collecting.
Right.
So I think I'll, well, I should say, I wonder if a lot of people don't look at it like
because maybe like Instagram is their community and it's like, well, I'm going to have the, the
most, the best profile, like the, most elite collection.
So when I do that post that shows off the $30,000 Maclin, Celebrini, I get 500 likes and
that's my dopamine rush.
Well, to you.
I don't think so.
Not at our age.
I mean, all of a sudden, sure, there's a plenty of people that, like, of Instagram flex.
Okay.
Well, let me ask this hypothetical question.
So we learned in based on the booming market, I think on last show at the show before that
there's a record 25,000 cards that sold for more than $10,000 last year.
And the pace is going to right now for 2026 is 41,000 sales of more than $10,000.
If you took every person that buys one of those cards into a lie detector test and say,
why did you buy this?
Because you love collecting and you love the card and you don't, I don't, I don't want
the answers.
I don't want the answer.
I think, I think at $20, $100 level, you're going to get a much higher percentage of people
that love collecting, you know, you talk about like, Louis, like on the wild, you collecting
jewel, Erickson, that's not a PC you would ever start to make money.
There's, I love Erickson, I love my mom and team.
There's a 0% chance that you get rich collecting Erickson at, yeah, you need a rookie, but I'm
not either trying to, I know, you're not, you know, yeah, and I'm not collecting it
either.
But, you know, I mean, okay, the third of the five biggest risk to the hobby, be booming
is rookie hype cycles and player volatility, modern market revolves heavily around prospects
and rookies.
rookies can spike dramatically based on hype.
Injuries, poor performance or unmet expectations can quickly collapse prices.
For example, analyst note that rookie markets often swing 20 to 50% based on player performance
or expectations.
So almost a classic example is if you go back to 2020 again, the Alexis Laferne, a young
guns PSA 10 was selling for more than a thousand US dollars.
That's an outlier.
That's such an out, that's the definition of something that is an outlier.
Like today, it's 60 bucks.
Yeah.
So COVID ruined so much.
Then use.
Troyes.
No, I know.
I just say high, high percentage of to COVID era prices, it's, it shouldn't account.
So you know, a few, well, and here's why matters too, like when you look at the, and maybe
this is more applicable to basketball or baseball that have bigger, bigger size to their hobby.
But a few high players failing can wipe out billions of perceived hobby value.
Look at the whole wander franco thing, right?
He was the guy and then in an instant was poison.
Yeah.
For good reason.
Good word.
Yeah.
But, but think how much money was lost in a day when that story came up.
Mm-hmm.
I think I'm putting buy field collectors, oh, he's not that good.
Always great.
Oh, he's not that good.
Oh, he's great.
Oh, he's not that good.
There you go.
Number four is industry consolidation and monopoly risks.
So the card industry, as we know, is becoming more centralized, not just by manufacturers, but
by grading as well.
You look at like fanatics.
They now control most of the exclusive league licenses.
And then you have legal battles with companies like Panini, that highlight competitive competition
concerns.
And here's the risk of one company dominating.
It slows down innovation.
And that means that companies are less apt to change to adapting markets.
And prices could still rise, collectors can lose trust, healthy markets, need competition
and product diversity.
So my hope is given that the leagues are, it's not the companies.
It's not cops' fault or fanatics, it's not upper decks' fault.
We always have to remember the leagues chose that they want to have one partner.
And we're grateful that Hockey was selected upper deck because we're big fans of upper
deck.
But as long as they choose to do that, I do feel like on maybe the positive side of this,
that because there's so much interest in collecting of anything, I just watched a YouTube video,
it's like a long one, about how like on fire dinosaur collecting is.
Hey, what?
Oh, we mean fossils?
Dinosaur bones, yeah, on fossils.
Yeah, yeah, true.
Not terrible.
People are like the skyrocketing in value.
Nicholas Cage is happy.
He's got a few.
Yeah.
And so you know, maybe just competing for a disposable income or collecting dollars as
a whole.
And I do feel like on the, I don't know if our friends that upper deck would ever admit
this, but I think that they, I think the fanatics innovation has, you know, put a little
fire in their belly in a good way.
I, I'm so proud.
I do feel we're in good hands.
I so much good has happened in the last couple of years.
They could, they could just being friends with Billy.
I know we bring him up a lot.
He is incredibly passionate about his job.
Love him or hate him or his designs, whatever.
I love passion in anything someone does.
That means they're putting everything they got into something and we have that with
upper deck.
Everyone that we've met, I don't think they'd hire somebody that wasn't passionate.
I mean, sometimes we critique what direction their passion went in, but I don't think
the hard work is ever in question.
And I do not a very, very blessed that we are in good hands with, well, you can't see
it.
It's up there.
Not afraid to try.
You know, Billy is not afraid to try something.
Yeah.
I mean, how does he swing that through Billy spending machine paradise for every chemical
composition though, there's liquid gold and where you know, it's human nature.
And so Billy will be criticized or anyone or Tony or Pat or Matthew or anyone at upper
deck, any of the product managers or the design team, they're going to get criticized way
more often than they get credit for the or the outburst, right?
That's Billy's set too.
So in, you know, you can be mad at the animation, think of what the outburst parallels have
meant for this hobby.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
And so there you go.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
The last one I came up with is market saturation of graded cards.
You know, grading, you know, this is kind of like a darned if you do darned if you don't
because I think grading has had a big part in fueling the boom, but it's also maybe creating
a risk.
It's getting the point.
Of course, when you have millions of modern cards being graded, it goes back to like
the production thing.
It's like the junk wax there, right?
It's like at some point if every card is graded, does that make a graded graded card special?
Any more when when thousands of PSA 10 copies exist, of course scarcity drops.
Some collector, some collectors worry the market is becoming overloaded with graded
modern, modern cards and you know, why it matters, you know, grading premium depends on
rarity, too many slabs can compress prices for rookies like Peddard, Sobriini and whoever
comes next, you know, are we going to announce is the norm?
New norm going to be 10, 15, 20,000, young gun PSA 10s pretty soon.
It feels like it's going that way.
And the big question here is will hobby grow enough for the demand to keep up with supply?
Or does PSA need to get I'm kind of like more and more in favor of them
getting really, really, really, really tough on grades and then spending more time.
It would be ideal.
Yeah.
It would be ideal.
I'm so conflicted.
I'm I'm I'm past thinking about it.
It's just not in my way anymore, but it is such a front and center part of our hobby.
I think I agree with you, Josh, it'd be nice if they got really, really strict on grading
to be because with it's normal, right?
Nine, like, whoa, like holy crap, you got a nine, wow, oh my god, a 10.
You already call in nine, you know, nine's already mint.
So then the 10, you know, no one cares, I buy, you're right.
That's the problem.
That's the problem though.
Yeah.
So, you know, like you just said, make eights, whatever you said, I wasn't listening.
Make it's the new norm, make it's like a good, well, okay, you go back five, six years,
right?
A graded eight card was a collector's grade.
There's value to it.
A nine was a, and then a 10 was like the, you know, a lucky sort of like a very rare and
exclusive thing.
And actually, the more I think about this, you know, I know that PSA has been trying
to slow down submissions because they can't keep up with demand by raising the price.
Maybe the best way to slow down submissions is to get super tough on grading and make
it public.
There's no point.
The transparency is what's missing in our hobby.
That's what keeps me.
It keeps me.
It generates down to 10%.
Then, you know, people are spending $35 to throw every random card in the final amount.
And power.
Well, we're dudes.
We like to tinker with things, right?
How many guys with a Lou, every show I go to, I see more guys with loops, more guys,
and I like that part of the hobby.
I love it when Sylvanne grabs a batch of 30 young guns and he picks his favorites.
That's one of my favorite parts of the way he does business and collects.
Make that, make that a thing that we're guys.
A lot of us like to do that.
Put out a PSA buying guide.
They won't.
That's why I love Jeff Mullin at the authority.
I can't wait when he was speaking about a universal grading list and make it tough.
Make it tough as nails.
And then that way, the collecting, that could be a new part of our culture.
If you want grading to be part of our hobby, I don't think grading is going anywhere.
Like to make it fun more or make it more, more of a cool thing.
Imagine a bunch of little kids with their magnifying glasses and they're like, oh, I only
got a six.
I bet you can get an eight on this next one.
Lower the scale.
We're okay with it with vintage.
Why aren't we okay with it with modern, right?
It's a little, a little top heavy.
We want it to be like, as heavy, you know, like in the middle.
Oh, other than price with the bump of a 10, the 10 doesn't mean much anymore.
You know what I mean?
It's just a dollar figure and I agree.
That needs to make the scale a scale.
Yeah.
Well, I think even outside the to your point, Louis, outside hockey, when you have that
example that we learned about where McDonald's did the Pokemon promo and within a few
months, there was a hundred thousand PSA tens of the Charizard.
A 10 is meaningless at that point.
So yes.
Yeah, but they, I'm not being mean.
I'm just, I hope I'm not pointing out the obvious, but it's not meaningless if you work
at PSA and have share options, stock options.
We, I'm sorry, we graded how many?
Let's go.
Well, let's go right to long term viability, though.
I think it is mean.
You know, you have to, as a company, yeah, we're towards the future.
Yeah, because long term viabilities, what everybody looks at.
Come on, man.
I want my money and I want it yesterday.
I mean, we should be expecting, you know, I don't want to take away that we're not good
as humans, as what we print and our machines can't do it.
I mean, yeah, the technology we have now, you think you could rip tens off all day long,
right?
But it's new, but I don't know.
This is just so hard.
I just, I want, I want the 10 to be more meaningful, you know, I, the saturation of
graded cards is great for guys like me.
I'm buying Marcel Dionne eights guy.
You should see my base card collection of Marcel Dionne.
I bought it for a fraction of the price of my Daniel Alfritzons and most of them have
been graded like eights and nines that no one cares.
I get a third year Marcel Dionne PSA nine for like 15 bucks.
It's perfect card, perfect hockey card.
It's great.
I love it.
I think we have to acknowledge though that sometimes like consumers like speak differently
with their mouth than their wallet.
And because I guy, so if all like the grading sort of like complaints, wouldn't one way
to solve it be this for any company or the BPSA or tag or back any of them, right?
To say we're going to change how we do our service.
It's a hundred dollars to get a card graded any card.
And we're going to take 10 minutes on that card and we're going to have AI and computers
and we're going to have multiple experts look at it.
And we're going to focus on getting the most accurate grade that we can human that's
possible through humans through all the latest technology so that you can be supremely
confident in the value of the grade.
No one would do it.
I think people freak out that it's a hundred bucks.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't want you to look at my card for 10 minutes.
Just give me the grade and we'll get it back to you by 2029.
No, no, no, with the hundred dollars, like a reasonable turnaround.
Like we'll get it back in a month or something like that.
But but we're going to we're going to demand the entire focus is on quality and consistency,
right?
We're if and again, the market kind of tells companies what they want.
And so based on PSA's success, it doesn't kind of mean that that we the market, we the
hobby that are dictating which company wins that what we truly value the most is cheap.
And you know, I think we value 10 out of 10s.
I think that's what that to me that meant that's what that grading experiment has done.
Humans are easily made excitable.
Oh, I got a 10 out of 10.
Me too.
I love it.
It's a double.
Didn't it?
Where it's now, maybe it, it, it, it, it, it's just, it's psychology, man.
It really is.
I like your hundred dollar grading.
That's good.
I'd rather say leave it the way it is and just bump up your 30 seconds to three, four,
five minutes of card.
And maybe it's an extra month before I get it back.
And no, if you seven acts the minute, the seconds and, and minutes, then you're seven
X in the months too, right?
So yeah.
And let's not get like lost in the amount of time.
Let's say whatever time it takes to get a supremely consistent and confident grade,
and which is going to cost more.
I mean, that's, it's reality.
You can't, when you're grading, two and a half million cards a month, if you're going
to spend five minutes and say, Hey, Dave, take a look at this and jam, do you agree that
this isn't, that ain't happening at P.S. P.S.A., but that's what I'm saying.
It's going to take a thousand employees.
But that's what I'm saying is you have to not complain, then, that it's going to take
longer than it is.
And it's going to cost a lot more.
Well, regardless if it costs more or not, yeah, it's still going to take longer if you
want us to spend more time looking at the card.
You know what?
I thought that was going to go.
It's more than a quick fill.
I'm sorry.
And then I'll, but if it does, in that case, though, if you truly valued getting cards
graded that are meaningful, not just every card laying around your house, and it was
so important for you to have the, a great encapsulation, great protection and the, and the,
the true reflection of what that, the, that grade should be, then a hundred dollars
shouldn't be a problem.
No.
You're going to grade less cards, but is that a bad thing?
No.
And still at that point, can't you tell him if it's not a ten?
Don't slab it.
You still paid it, but, you know, I think in, I just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
at some point with technology flying so fast, I think one day for $10,000, would you buy
a cube that's, let's say, 18 inches by 18 inches, and it's, it's a, a cube with a little
stand right in the middle.
And you put that, you connect it to your Wi-Fi, you put any card in the top loader or
one touch, whatever their system is, maybe they have a proprietary case.
And you put it in and you just close the door and you press the button.
It's instantly graded by somebody at headquarters, right, because you're connected to the internet.
You'll never have to mail your card again.
It's instantly graded and a laser beam, some type of QR code, I don't know, okay, maybe
not.
Well, the thing you're missing there, I have agreed with you because I think that that's
coming.
But the, I think what you're going to see, I would guess in less than five years is some
company is going to put machines at hobby shops where it's like, it's like the, remember
the old like Netflix, that's what I'm saying, you're going to put your card in there and
it'll come out graded and slapped.
Well, we, that's, yes, yes, can't say anymore because that damn paper we signed, but yes.
I agree, Josh and Louis, yes.
So any other risk points that you guys can think of when, you know, what could make this
go.
Well, I think, I think, I think sports cards are the first thing to go if society goes.
I mean, I mean, that's how he's already, you know, the new, I mean, stamp collectors are
right there with us, right, like, I mean, I, I, I collect, I used to collect silver coins.
I mean, I still do and I'm glad I have a lot of junk silver at my house.
I mean, I, I would much rather have that than my hockey cards if the apocalypse and the
zombies attack.
Okay.
Sorry.
Got dark.
I've been watching a lot of science fiction lately.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anything else that you could think of Louis or are we ready to move on?
No, you did good.
It sure makes you think, but things to make you go, hmm, at the end of the day, if you're
in it for the, the right reasons, you can't lose.
That's the way that I look at it is that I'm, you know, it's kind of like the, if the
market goes down, then I get excited that I get to buy more cards I didn't have access
to.
Yeah.
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Okay.
So we already know that Matthew Schaefer cards are dominating with the series two release.
The Schaefer sensation.
Is that better, Phil?
Yeah.
Schaefer sensation.
That's cool.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, give us comments.
If we have Breanie Mania, but our to Paloza, what are we going to have for Schaefer?
I think it would feel a little redundant at this point to go over the big secondary market
sales for the young Islanders defenseman.
So I thought today we'd look at the very early still top five series two sales that are
not Matthew Schaefer.
No Schaefer allowed.
See what other players the hobby is chasing out of the gate.
And of course, any and all of these sales made or placed on eBay would have been verified
as paid for in therapy.
So you want to guess what player the not Matthew Schaefer player dominating series two would
be?
Sure.
Ben Kindle.
No.
No.
Michael Misa.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There we go.
Nice.
So he kicks us off at number five with his young guns exclusives out of a hundred Ross
well for 991 US dollars via eBay best offer in March 7th via via via.
Then we got a couple of gold outbursts already.
So number four is the Will Smith second year base card gold outburst one one Ross well
for two thousand one ninety six US.
That's big locks man.
That's.
Doesn't that seem really.
That's great.
All these gold outbursts go for crazy money.
They're so cool.
Number three.
Hey, I have not to get off topic, but still I have not seen a he sure.
Would you go pretty aggressively after it if you found one?
I would.
Yeah.
I think it'd be cool to have.
I just.
He's going to have a lot though.
He's going to have a lot.
Do you have any gold outbursts Phil?
I have.
I have a gold outburst of that my boy Ed from Detroit gave me the Brady Kitchok all
start.
Oh, yeah.
He's the minty cough.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Collector.
Yeah, check him out.
Good guy.
I forget his Instagram, but he's got like every minty cough and they're great guards.
Great patches.
He's great.
Collector.
Yeah.
Isn't a good guy.
Ed's something like that.
Yeah.
Good guy.
He's another gold outburst.
It's a young gun, though.
The Alexander Nickishin.
Nickishin.
Nickishin.
Nickishin.
Nickishin.
Sorry.
I'll first go one, one.
So for 2,496 US by eBay fixed price on March 7th.
That's so someone whoever bought that's an instantly going to be his biggest collector.
I mean, how would you not?
If I hit that in a pack, I guess what Phil's a Nickishin collector for the rest of my
life.
Yeah.
Number two, we go back to Michael Misa, a young gun's high gloss out of 10.
Whoa.
Ross.
So for 4,697 US on March 9th.
That's big bucks, man.
That's big buck.
Well, it makes my purchases feel a lot better.
And it might be a little weird in the context of this sale, but you know, nothing's perfect
in the hobby.
Number one is a Michael Misa young gun's opus red.
That's all for more.
Oh, my goodness, I knew this day would come.
I knew this day would come, and I'd probably be the guy to do it.
I think I would rather a red opus shape for the high gloss.
Oh, my God.
I'm so sorry.
Really?
I don't know.
It makes my shop feel cool.
Cool.
Look, and I can't argue.
It looks.
Yeah, baby.
I'm.
Yes.
How do you make the high gloss more godlike?
You got to, you got to do something.
You got to do something.
You got to make it refract or something.
Billy do something.
I'm the biggest, biggest fanboy of high gloss forever and always in exclusives.
Something my heart is changing.
Billy, go do something.
I don't know.
How many of my Brady high glosses do you have?
Three.
I have three.
I have two Jake Sanderson high gloss.
I have three Brady Kachak high gloss.
That's it.
That's all.
I know you have slowed down.
I know like you'll buy any Brady acetate.
Yeah.
If you've slowed down in general, a high gloss comes available or is that still a card
that you've got to have?
No, probably not.
I'm good at three.
I probably even sell one if like sends one the cup and some I'd probably like I'm very
I'm very happy.
I said when and if the sends win the cup with Brady.
I'm sorry.
What?
Well, turn up your hearing aid old man.
Yeah.
Maybe you should have stretched before the podcast.
You would have heard me.
You have all bad takes on everything.
You're hockey.
See, that's good timing.
Whoever's pressing that.
Obviously, Louis, not Josh because Josh is like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
you're like, you're like the Peter Griffin of the podcast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lois, Lois.
Tell me what the fuck man is saying.
So me and Jenny is speaking a family guy.
My wife and I, we just, both of ours, the greatest family guy bit of all time was when
Stuie goes, mama, mommy, mom, mom, mom, mom, mommy, mom, mom, mom, like for 12 minutes
and then she finally goes, what?
Hi.
Peter does it to, I don't know, one of the newscasters, Lois, Lois, oh, no, no, that's his
wife.
All right.
Let's keep going.
I forgot who it was.
Katie, that's what it was.
Katie, Kirk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If Upper Deck had to, or decided to add another parallel, which I hope they don't, what
color would you hope?
Gold.
Oh, very cool.
A different color, a different shade of gold.
Okay.
Wait, wait, wait.
What about this idea?
What if you replaced the deluxe, which is kind of blue, out of 250 with Alpers blue,
out of 250?
I like, if it's the color of the deluxe blue, yeah, I like that crimson.
Like a blue or lighter blue, yeah, gasoline blue, oh, gasoline, yeah, something like
that.
Yeah.
Oil can't blue.
About a really shiny, reflective black.
I don't know, man.
I don't know, but I feel the potential is great.
Like you could make the high gloss refract and you could make the 250 blue, yeah, they
just got to hire us.
I mean, I know baby steps are helping us sponsor the show.
I'm trying to be like project manager, but I understand, but I think for the day Jason
works for you, I think you just made him spit out his coffee, drive it to work.
Jason just drove up right here with everybody present at Jason Masha drives off the road.
He's okay.
He's okay.
He's gonna sit time-step.
Josh, I got, so I got a problem with you and I'm gonna tell you why maybe get in a car
accident.
Black, oh, burst would be kind of sweet though.
See, and here's like where I'm being totally hypocritical, because I'm terrified of them.
We just talked about like overparalization of the high, no, no, no, we're refining what
exists.
Yeah.
There's a difference.
There's a difference.
We're not adding.
We're refining what's.
Okay.
Along those lines.
So right now there's what five parallels you have, well, six, you have like clear cut,
the lux exclusives, the three outbursts, so seven parallels, acidate.
If you didn't add parallels, but you converted two of the non-outbursts into different outbursts
colors, is that's a good thing or a bad thing?
Like would that be too much outburst at that point?
And would that take away like the specialness of the red?
I would add one outburst and I would super refract my high gloss.
That's what I would do.
Yeah.
You got to do some about the deluxe, because it's a great idea.
It allows people to get into the young gun game and feel like they got something a little
bit rare, 250 is a lot, but it's not that much.
And like think of it as a pop report, what if all 250 deluxe's young guns were slabbed?
That's not bad.
In 50 years, that's, that's not going to be bad.
How many, I mean, I don't know, pick a player.
I mean, how many Jack Hughes, young gun, PSA tens are there?
Yeah.
Exactly.
Thousands and thousands and thousands.
And oh, I have a deluxe PSA 10.
Oh, wicked.
There's only 180 of them graded.
Trust me.
That'll carry some legs.
I think you're on to something that maybe the high glass now needs like a makeover.
I'll tell you this, I wouldn't be buying the Brady Kachakai glosses today after the
outbursts have come out.
No way.
I wouldn't be paying.
I wouldn't be.
The cheapest I paid was 1800.
The most I paid was 2500 and I have three of them.
That's, that's almost $10,000, dude.
I'm a single parent.
I could, I mean, I'm an idiot.
What am I doing?
You know, like, yeah, it's ridiculous.
I, I can't get that again.
I may be, you know what, maybe, maybe, I could, I mean, if I paid someone out there at
pay2k or I know another guy, I mean, I'm sure the people I offered money to are kicking
themselves now.
I, there's, there's, uh, these Toronto boys, they have three of them.
I offer 2500 each, 7500 for all three.
They said, no.
I believe it was L.O.
Well, no thanks.
Yeah.
But you wish I, but you wish I, but you wish I, well, now maybe it's the time you should
be buying Captain Canada.
Maybe.
Wait.
What?
Who, would you say?
Who's Captain Canada to you?
Kachak.
Brady Kachak is a, oh, yeah, you're patronizing me now.
Okay.
Who's Canada's Captain?
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, he's Canada's hockey teams captain.
But anyway.
Yeah.
Or no, Canada's hockey team.
No, my center, my center barely even on TV black, black, black, black,
old session.
It's okay, Greg Davis though.
It's a blackout, not for you though.
You got to watch every, every blackout game for Greg.
Oh, yeah.
It's not good on that road again.
Okay.
Personal pickups.
Phil.
Nothing.
Nothing.
Louis.
You don't have like a Jerry Brookheimer produced a card reveal video that Michael Bay.
Hey, that was awesome.
I did it for Phil.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
I have a Bob a Louis personal pickup.
It's a gift to share our good friend, Rollo, when I bought the OV retro young guns outburst
from him that I haven't paid for, bothers me.
He threw this in as a gift.
That was really nice.
Hey, 2025, upper deck holiday daisers, dollar, dollar bill, curl, y'all, curl the thrill,
Capriceff.
Yeah.
Nice.
Yeah.
Five games in a row, squirt of goal.
Just saying.
Yeah.
Damn, shoot.
So 14 games in a row points.
I mean, I could be lying because I don't, I don't know how that game ended yesterday
yet.
You know what?
No.
I'm looking so good right now.
Yeah.
There's two of them in limbo.
I ordered one and Tory ordered one and they both are lost.
Ooh, controversy.
The big hobby drum, hobby drum.
I like the holiday themed stuff.
I hope our product does it again next year.
Parkers.
Parkers has got a lot of a TIS this season.
They're expensive.
Man, they're spending.
TIS.
TIS this season.
Yeah.
So what old people say?
Like chestnuts and TIS this season and they're on the morrow, sir.
TIS.
TIS.
TIS.
TIS.
It's not a sad, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's
TIS season.
Yeah.
Whatever.
I mean, who am I to judge?
Because I, well, I am a world renowned name, pronounced, so you know, you're, you're very
international.
Yeah.
A man of many cultures.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's, let's, we're almost done, but did you have fun?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good.
Louis.
Nobody cares.
Okay.
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