#644 - Bryan Johnson

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Today's guest is a longevity expert.

He's a health advocate.

He's basically his own guinea pig.

You know, he's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way.

He's an entrepreneur.

He's been experimenting on himself, trying to beat the final chapter, the coffin.

Yep.

He wants to live forever.

We're going to learn about it.

I'm grateful to have a conversation today, which we got to do quickly because I think he's

got to be in bed at like 4 p.m.

I'm very happy that he's here.

Today's guest is Mr. Brian Johnson.

Yeah, this lemon water dude, I drink this a lot.

I hear that it's good for inflammation and I do a lot of fasting.

And so that's been something that on a fast I will have this a certain amount.

I like the chunks of ginger, man, that's that's solid.

Oh, yeah.

Did you on those?

No.

Yeah, you done that?

No.

It's good.

I mean, it's, is that a thing chewing on ginger chunks?

Yeah.

Wow.

Never even thought of that.

Do you know exactly what it does?

You just feel the vibes of it.

Yeah, it's very strong vibes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a nice reward at the end.

Like, let me give you a punch in the face.

Ginger does something similar.

Hmm.

Yeah, maybe I'll throw one in the old.

You feel better after doing it though?

I just feel like I'm on, I have a plan and then I'm sticking to it.

I mean, so much of life is like that.

If you like, kind of that matter if it works, but like if you,

it's like a thing is structured and planned.

Kind of the thing.

Yeah.

Well, it starts to give me a little bit like a integrity to myself.

You know, it becomes kind of a pattern.

That's been one of the toughest things I think for me.

And I would guess probably for most people is just starting a pattern

sometimes, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

I feel like that's kind of been one of the things.

Then it keeps you from the negative patterns.

Yeah.

Well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing,

then sometimes it's like if there's something negative the night before or

it's somehow, I'm like, I can't do it.

I already have a commitment, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

But sometimes it has been tough.

I go in sports where sometimes it's better than others,

but honoring like commitments to myself, having that in,

you know, and just building that integrity that I know I'm going to be here

for myself every day.

Yeah.

That's been a challenge for me.

It's gotten better over time, but it's been a tough, that's been,

probably we have one of my tougher things.

I would imagine it might be for most, for a lot of folks.

Yeah.

Like the disconnect between like what you want to do and then what you actually do.

Yeah.

Which is like the human condition.

It's like what our existence is defined by and like how big is that divide?

Probably determines if you're happier not in life.

Yeah.

I think you're right.

I mean, that's one of the things that I think about the most is how far away am I from

what I would like to be doing what my behaviors would like to be.

Yeah.

Were you out now in life?

I mean, you've got through various stages.

How would you assess now?

I think like with work, working things like that have been good, that stuff has been

good.

I think on the wellness side of like probably emotional wellness, I've dealt with a lot

of like connectivity disorders, like relationship stuff, commitment, probably wishing I was making

better choices with my like dating and social life at times.

And you know, sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of, I'll have to see

what's there.

Whereas sometimes if I know it's not even a good fit, you know, so that's probably been

one of the tougher things.

There's probably been my emotional addictive behavior.

Yeah.

I guess I'm newly in a partnership, the best relationship of my life.

We've been together for a couple of years now and man, it is like, I mean, it is the

single thing in life that makes me more happy than anything.

You know, like relationships are so tough and especially when they tip to acrimony, what

is acrimony mean?

Just like when it's a, when it's a negative state, you know, when there's like bickering

and like finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to resolve conflict, when

there's a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always

unsettled, there's just nothing worse.

And I mean, that's true in business relationships is true in personal relationships, friendships,

all kinds.

And like what I have now is just so good.

Let's go.

Yeah, yeah.

So I feel you and without it, it, I mean, it's tough to be alone, you know, it's tough

to be like trying to date, build relationships and I'll work out and go to the next one.

It's tiring to like repeat that again and again.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that is, that's, that's definitely true.

And then it's like, you start to compartmentalize things, okay, well, I'll just go on a date

here.

I'll just, you know, have this part of my relationship or intimacy here.

And it's like, you know, and that's not, that's not the healthiest way to operate either.

So congratulations.

Yeah, they just show your lady right there.

Yeah, it's Kate Tolo.

Oh, beautiful lady, man.

Congratulations.

You guys were smiling in that picture.

Oh, man, we, we have so much fun together.

I mean, we, it's like, I'd get tiried, it's even talking about it.

We laugh and play.

It's just so good.

Yes, she really does something for you.

She does, man.

Like, you know, like, I was, I wrote this up online.

I was thinking, I'm a big fan of Ernest Shackelton.

And he was just a, yeah, exactly.

So he did the, the trans and Arctic expedition.

He was trying to go pull, you know, short of shore for the first time.

So from top to bottom, just down to the, the South Pole, from like one side to the other

side.

Okay, just at the South Pole.

Yeah.

So they got, they got the ship all prepared.

They got all their materials, you know, like enough food and materials for the entire duration.

They get stuck in the ice before they even get there, early winter.

And then the entire book is about this insane survival story.

Like what they went through and not a single man in his crew died.

But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure

these kinds of things.

And I know this is like, it's a two, two dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities.

I was thinking before, like, what does it feel like to not have deep companionship

of my life where I've had a relationship and they weren't good, right?

They ended up being bad.

And then having something that is good, it felt like I'm sure what Shackleton and his

crew felt like putting their feet on land after being adrift in the ocean for, you know,

I don't know what the total duration of times, maybe a year, but just like stable, sturdy,

solid, you know, instead of like, what's happening today?

What do I have to deal with?

Is my life at risk?

Like just all the emotional whiplash you get and like challenge you certainly, and when

you're by yourself, it's also harder to self regulate.

It's harder to calm yourself down.

It's nice when someone else is there to kind of be like a...

Oh, get a hug.

Yeah.

A hundred percent.

Oh.

That's so true.

The other day, I saw my friend in L.A. and I got a hug and she just kind of gave me

like a nice hug and then I was like, I'm going to stay in this hug.

Yeah, totally.

You could just, yeah.

Like, you're going to my phone.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh.

Yeah, yeah.

So like, was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger?

You know what?

She surprised me because, but yeah, she got, she got the good hug on her.

That's for sure.

Yeah, some people are just like gifted huggers.

They, right, they just know how to like bring it in and like somehow the arms and the chest

and like the whole thing just fits like a puzzle piece.

Yeah, like even like a lot of times, yeah, we talked about before like a grandmother will

hug you so well.

Yeah.

Sometimes, yeah.

I'm like, I've always kind of, I guess, been that I'll do the one arm hug.

I hug a lot though.

I hug a lot.

I think sometimes it catches people off guard and people like, yeah, what's going on, man?

Yeah.

I don't just put them on this person.

But open up a hug bank.

You know what they should do?

Yeah.

Those places where they had pay phones before, they should have somebody stay in there,

put a quarter in their pocket and they got a hug, you know?

It's like one of the most underappreciated things.

Yeah.

Re-launch the hug.

I think they got it.

Well, I think we're ready for it.

Brian Johnson, thanks for coming in, man.

Yeah, thanks to meet you, bro.

Yeah, it's good to see you.

It's a pleasure to do that.

I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you.

I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot.

You know, I get that so much.

I mean, I've had several people think, you know, approach me like, are you AI?

You know, like really believing that's the case.

So I think I am robotic.

I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in some areas.

So I think people are just confused by me, generally.

So I understand that.

Like, yeah, that was my thought.

But it's, you seem way more normal than that.

Like just like a regular dude who's been like, you know, doing wild shit with his blood.

You know?

You seem to some more like a, like a chill ass kind of Dracula type of

of life.

What was your, what did you expect?

I think I expected somebody that seemed to be honest to have, like more of a sense of,

and this is just a wild generalization.

And this is probably not the best word, but more of like an autism to them.

Yeah.

And I, yeah, I didn't get that at all.

I just got like a warm guy who seems like a lot more engaging than other people I've

met who I've thought similar things about.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's just, it's just hiding.

It will manifest in a few minutes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't want to say that.

It starts to bubble up.

Yeah, that's right.

When you're keeper, whoever's operating you on, on the app, that's probably who turns

up.

Yeah.

And the mask, like slowly starts slipping.

And it's like, oh, yeah, like your database is showing it or something.

Yeah, exactly.

Um, so just our viewers know, and so many people know about you now, man, there's so

many clips you out there.

You've kind of, um, you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way,

kind of, because it's like, you know, you're kind of using yourself as an experiment.

That's what it seems.

You know, your life, maxing.

That's what people say.

Um, can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is, um, or what

your motive has been?

Yeah.

So I'd say, um, here's an example for you.

In, um, 1870, the big talk of the town was, there was this divide over this guy who

had ideas that the reason why it is, yeah, around the reason why people were getting

sick and dying is because of these microscopic objects called bacteria.

And half the town was like, that's stupid as fuck.

What are you talking about?

The other half was like, honestly, that could be legit.

Now, like, they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects, but turned

out, it's true.

These microscopic objects are called bacteria, right?

They can cause infection.

So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery or, uh, when you're maintaining hygiene

practices, you get infection and risk, and create your risk of dying.

So that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up.

It was seen as crazy and, uh, eventually it turned out to be true.

And now today, like, oh, of course, like, that happens every, every year, every year.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly.

And so the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point

of humans on the planet where we may not die.

Now, that sounds that shit crazy, whereas in we can live forever.

Not even forever.

Right?

Because it's a concept we understand.

It's just that we might be able to extend our life spans to horizons where we can't

really imagine, for example, like 150, 200, 500, a thousand, like, some number we don't

even know that breaks our brains.

So it's just not like a 70 year expectancy, right?

It's something much longer and it could be the case that as our life spans are extended,

they get longer and longer and longer and longer, we can't quite see the end horizon.

So that's what I'm suggesting is we are at that point with technology.

We may be the first generations of humans who don't die.

Now, if that's the case, everything changes.

And so that's what I've been trying to do is to say that if that is the case, how does

a human behave?

What do they do?

And so that's the whole, that's why it's so controversial is because you take status

quo.

And it's like, if we're all going to die anyways, well, bro, you might as well, right?

Do all the stuff people do today, right?

Drink PBR, whatever for it, you know, send it, you know, exactly.

Yeah, knock up some woman or man.

Now I think you can even knock up.

You're like, what's happening?

Yeah.

But I see what you're saying.

So like, if you, if you say if you got to the finish line and like, oh, you can't cross

the finish line anymore, you're like, oh, if I didn't know that, I would have ran

the race.

Exactly right.

So differently.

Exactly.

Or back in the night.

I would have taken my time along the race instead.

Now I'm just standing there at the finish line to crep it or like with, you know, just

like aftermarket pieces and stuff.

Yeah.

And I would have done it differently.

That's right.

So like right now, like you basically, if everybody dies, then you're playing a game

of YOLO.

And so then your game of YOLO is like, okay, what am I willing to, well, I'm willing

to trade life for what?

And so for example, the world I came from, entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't

sleep.

You don't take care of your health.

You run yourself ragged.

You try very hard to make a whole bunch of money, but in doing that, you burn yourself

to a crisp.

Yeah.

And you end up and you're like fat.

You're like 40 or older than when you started your family's falling apart, you're a crisp

or you don't have one.

Exactly.

But you're just burnt to a crisp.

That's what happened to me.

And so you basically say, I'm willing to trade life for this money because there's this

idea of if you have money, then you get blank.

And so you're making this explicit trade off.

I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money.

And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense and no longer makes sense to die for

something like that.

Now we all have like practical things.

We need to pay our bills and stuff like that.

But I'm trying to be say, we're a society that has built a society of die.

And I'm working on don't die as the new way of being human.

So that's like the gist of it.

But do you think it's easier to say that once you have some money and once you have like

a, you know, you have a place where you're like, okay, you know, I know that I'm going

to be okay.

Like it's like do you think you would have been able to switch that mindset before having

because then you got a company and you got sold it for, you know, a great deal of

money.

And congratulations.

Thanks.

And yeah.

And that's, that's the American dream, you know.

But do you think you would have been able to have that same mindset before because that

mindset before is like, yeah, grind, get this money, everything will be good.

And it kind of is nice in some ways because there's a goal there.

Yeah.

Do you think you could have had it before or is it easier to have now?

Yeah.

I mean, there's, there's two parts.

This one is I'm saying that like fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's,

they're evil.

They, they use science to make food that addicts you to their food, right, they're building

addiction.

For sure.

Um, social media algorithms, they're building addiction, right, um, fake porn alcohol smoking,

like basically as a society, we have a predator prey relationship where companies prey

upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and extract from them

life for profit.

And so first of all, the observation I'm saying is, hey, companies, stop being evil.

Like don't use your power to make people addicted to make them, you know, to take their

life from them.

And then two is, um, it's, I don't want to blame people because I know that's like, that's,

it's easy for me to say this once I've been on the other side.

So one, I'm just trying to say like, hey, this is fucked up.

Uh, uh, number two is I try to be a really positive role in people's lives to say like,

if you're ambitious and you do want to make a whole bunch of money, for example, um,

here's a playbook, right?

Like the idea that you're better off working 18 hours a day and sleeping for is just scientifically

wrong.

Oh, I got it.

Right.

So like if you're going to work really hard, make sure you get eight hours of sleep, make

sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well, but you're not going to be doing yourself

a favor.

If you're eating trash, right, not sleeping well and not working out like it, make sure

your system, like for an engineer, it means like nobody wants to write shitty code.

If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code.

It's like, don't be shitty code and try to build life.

And so those are the two things, but I want to be very clear.

Like I'm not blaming people.

We just live in a fuck.

I think it sounds like that.

We live in a fucked up society.

Yeah.

And I'm trying to call attention to the fact that like, like the system you're playing in

is not a good one.

And it's heavily stacked against people.

Yeah.

Especially if there's a lot of things where it is a dictionary, like, oh, but they know,

there's so much information now of how to get, you addicted down to the molecule, down

to like the moment of what you're looking out on your phone, that it really is a war.

It's a battle for your preservation.

It's like, it used to be that, you know, the man had to wake up and he was, he had to know

where the predator was, where the apex predators are.

And now the apex predators are, you know, they're in our homes, they're in our hands.

And it really is.

It's, it's still a, it's a battle.

And that is a battle.

It's like, if you want to take it on.

And then some days and moments and some people's lives are like, you know, I don't really

want to take that battle on.

And that's kind of okay too.

But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty, yeah, at least makes it that all

the cards are on the table.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I saw that you recently, you did a social media fast, right?

Yeah, I did.

Yeah.

Take me through some of that.

What was that like?

Yeah.

So at first, I, I love social media.

I think it's so much fun.

We have great stuff on X. It's like, you can't even scroll through X without finding something

that's great from Brian Johnson.

And a lot of it's really great information too.

Oh, here's the post right.

I did a 40 hour and then a 70 hour social media fast.

I've come to believe that social media is pollution.

Yeah.

So first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like what I, what I love

about watching that is you can say anything, right?

Like the shit you talk about is so, is so unhinged.

Like literally, there's like no, I, maybe you've got material where you're like,

probably shouldn't include that one, but like I couldn't detect it.

Oh, yeah.

I like just saying shit.

And so that's what you're supposed to be able to do.

Exactly.

So like what I love about that is the elbow room you have, right?

There's like, when you look at existence, you say like my, my goal is to entertain you.

And I have all this open space.

But then when people don't have that, when you, when you don't have comedy as the outlet

and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box.

They feel like they can only say certain things that they step outside that.

They get punished by the tribe, right?

Like for whatever reason.

And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room.

Like I post a nudes of myself, you know, like we did the blood, the plasma transfers.

Like we, we basically have done enough thing.

I didn't, I did magic mushrooms on a live stream.

Yeah.

That's what really made me think, oh, I really want to talk to this guy now because

he's going into other realms.

Yeah.

And before we get into some of that, what were some other findings from the social media

fast?

Or do you think it was long enough to, to notice anything?

It was honestly, it was kind of life changing.

It was, I did one fast that was 40 hours long and then a second fast that was 70 hours

long.

And the science behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you basically have dopamine

dysregulation, right?

Like you're in this addiction state and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating

all kinds of harm than you engage with social media to feel normal again.

Now, once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get, you're out of

the spell.

You're not hypnotized anymore and then you get to feel it for what it is.

So now when I pull up the feed, it feels toxic.

Like it feels like I've had a fast food mill or like I've had, I'm in a second hand,

room of second hand smoke or like it just feels so bad.

And I guess that I pay attention to these feelings because over the past five years,

I've been doing like hundreds of experiments to my body.

Like what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die?

So I have this intuition I've built and now when I go into social media, it literally

feels like death.

And so it's complicated though because I love social media.

I love to post.

I love to play.

I love to interact.

But also when I get on, it's like, I'm like, nah, this is not good.

So honestly, it's complicated.

I don't know what to do.

Yeah, there's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms before and you'll look at

your phone, it's like, oh, get that away from me.

You feel it, right?

Yes.

It's like, oh, that's not real.

That's the most unnatural thing.

Like what is that?

Yeah.

It feels like a kryptonite or if I've done ayahuasca or bitter ayahuasca and you're coming

out and I see my phone or I'll get home and turn on the TV.

I'm like, oh, get that thing away from me.

That is something that's just resonating, like something dark.

Yeah.

Interesting, like in those moments when you feel sober, it's like you do, you can viscerally

feel it.

Yeah.

But then when you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you don't,

you lose that sensitivity and you feel normal again.

But yeah, it's, I think, and so what's been resonating is I've been, so I posted this

on social.

I said, because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice or like a, you

know, a bad habit, but I reframed it and said, actually, I think it's pollution.

It's like microplastics or lead in the pipes or asbestos in the wall or like, you know,

I've lead in the gasoline.

I think it really is like a societal pollution.

It accumulates in the body.

It creates low-glated, low-grade information.

And I've been sharing this.

So many people are like, I feel this, but they, the problem is you can't, like telling

someone to turn it off is like telling so much, not breathe, cold smoke in London in

the 19th century.

Yeah.

Like you, you can't do it.

Or like, you know, if there's, if there's water pollution, like the solution for water

pollution in London in the 19th century was not to say don't drink water, it was like

to fill to the water.

Right.

So I think the solution here is like, I proposed this that if people could build AI to

basically create a layer of protection between me and the internet, the me and the social

feed, like, extract out all the performative metrics, extract out all the garbage, all the

slopp and they give me the goodness.

But I want someone to, like, it'd be cool if someone could build a social media into

a longevity therapy versus like, they actually have this cigarette.

Oh, as you were saying, like, make it a long, slow fire that has like, um, all a mix

of things.

Like, help me, when I engage with it, I wouldn't feel good.

I want to feel like I've drank, like, you know, lemon water and ginger.

Right.

As opposed to like having a couple of cooks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But you're a slammer of energy drinks.

Oh, yeah.

It keeps a five hour energy drink in his sock.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know.

Like, this is a thing.

But it's just like, right?

People pound like two to three to four a day, like between, you know, 400 and 800 milligrams

of caffeine.

And they're like, on top of the metafinil or something, you know, so it's like, and kids

are doing it.

Kids will get an energy drink before school.

I'm like, what are you?

Yeah.

Dude, your grades are bad.

Yeah.

It's not even a performance.

Yeah.

But even doing it over there, dude.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is good science.

Because like, when you engage heavily in social media, you're basically, you have higher depression,

higher anxiety.

You've got more inflammation.

You sleep more poorly.

So these are all things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse.

So yeah.

So heavy social media users lose at least a point or two on the attracting the scale.

Like, you may go from a seven to a five.

So yeah, it does legitimately affect appearance.

Yeah.

And I think everybody kind of starts at an eight.

That's what I think.

If you brush your teeth, you're eight.

Yeah.

You're right.

And you're nice.

You're like eight point five.

Yeah.

And you give a good hug.

You're like nine.

Oh, you're already halfway there.

Yeah.

And then the rest is just the Lord.

Wow.

Yeah.

Because this is interesting because I do notice like, first of all, I'll say to people, I noticed

this now.

I'll say to people, hey, I'm going to go into my phone for a second, right?

So it's almost like I'm, I'm letting you, it's almost like, yeah, I'm going to have

a cigarette.

It's like the same sort of thing.

And then now it's gotten to me.

Sometimes I'm just so sick of, so watching social is just like, I'll look at a few things

and it's just like, oh, this isn't how, this isn't doing anything anymore.

That's the start of the thing too is I don't even, this doesn't feel like it's doing

anything anymore.

And then that the algorithm that you know, somebody's behind it kind of queuing up what

is next, it doesn't leave that as much of a whimsicalness about it, you know?

That's right.

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Oh, yeah.

I saw this to this one tweet that's just getting a lot of attention that I saw mobile phone

short video uses negatively impacts attention functions.

An EEG study says one thing I do feel like is that there should be accountability for

whoever is making the algorithms like because there's been kids who get affected and then

they watch stuff and then they might consider self harm, right?

Yeah.

Well, people who you're curious about one video, but then it serves you seven others and

now you have a strong take about a group or about a person or anything.

Yeah.

So it's like shouldn't the creator of the algorithm like if I make something and I give

it to you, and I know it's bad and poisonous, you know, there should be, you should be

somewhat accountable.

It feels like I know there's just now a court case or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No way.

Here we go.

Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users social media addiction during landmark

trial.

In his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury, Zuckerberg said the

company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against

claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children.

I'm focused on putting a community that is sustainable.

If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time, short term,

but if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time.

I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month.

Yeah.

This is why I was saying that I wanted to reframe because when people talk about social

media, typically the blame is on the person.

The person spends too much time on social media, right?

They need to be more disciplined.

They need to set limits.

When you reframe this, you say actually social media is a pollutant.

It's like some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead or like when you reframe

it that way, it's what you said is this is a pollutant driving society that is making

society depressed, anxious, lose focus, having all sorts of negative psychological and

physiological implications.

When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to like, you can't

reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe, to want to be part of a friend

group and then put them in a system like the, it's like lead in pipes.

Water is in the pipes, but also lead is too.

So it's like, you can't, the solution is not some people get off the phone.

You have to do some kind of filtering or something because it's poisonous right now.

Yeah.

I think it's a great way to say it.

Yeah, that it's a pollutant, right?

And people say, well, let's get off your phone, but our society has gotten to the place

where it is on our phone is we live in an electronic a society and a digital age.

So it's, yeah, if you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just like, blowing

like, you know, those smoke stacks that they never, that they never had any governors

on and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air, those were held liable.

So it makes sense that these would be two.

The case filed in Los Angeles Superior Court involves over 1,600 plaintiffs, including

families in school districts, suing meta, YouTube, which is TikTok and Snap, KGM claims

features like infinite scrolling, notifications and beauty filters created addiction, exacerbating

body image depression and suicidal thoughts, yeah.

Some of the key moments Zuckerberg denied meta aims to addict youth, stating his focus

is on a sustainable community where unhappy users won't stay long term, grilled on underage

users and AR beauty filters, despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing free expression

and well-being, saying, you don't really build social media apps unless you care about

people being able to express themselves.

I don't know if that's true anymore, you know, that you know, it feels like is in physics,

there's this idea, like a phase transition.

So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid when it's 101, it's a vapor.

So just a very small change, it's not gradual, it just snaps at the phase transition.

It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition where there's

like all this built up problems that are over like about to go from 99 C to 101 C and

it just snaps and society is like, we can't, we can't do anymore, like it's too much,

like we're all fucking broken from this thing, it's got to stop and like I don't think

these things are cool because they don't happen gradually, it's just suddenly overnight.

Yeah.

So I would love that if like somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our

sanity.

Right, like with Ugg boots, like when people were like, oh, these are great and Tom Brady

was wearing them then one day people were like, done.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The shit we hear.

Yeah.

People will be so relieved to not feel like, because right now, dude, I think I know

with a rule right now and said on your phones won't even work on Saturday and Sunday,

I think the entire world would exhale 100% that it's also true like on like crying

culture, but the expectations, you have to work 20 hours a day.

Get up and fucking grunt.

Right.

It's like in this expectation eyes open, people looking at invoices, it's like we're

like driving ourselves insane as a species is like we're losing our shit and like it's

right there in front of us and it's all these expectations and if it would be it would

be amazing.

I love that.

Damn, let's, let's celebrate.

I think and I think people would, they don't even work good.

Fuck them.

I think one day if people take over a business or like people like storm the Capitol,

dude, storm T-Mobile, storm these towers and bring them down, free us from what it's

digital chains where we're locked, you know.

You know, it's people when people are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical

death.

But we are evolved to live in a group of 150 people or less to be seen by the tribe.

And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen

by the tribe.

So it fills literally like death.

That's why you can't just say like don't be on your phone because your body's like

am I dead to the tribe?

Right.

Do I even exist?

Yeah.

You feel like that?

Yeah.

I take a couple months off where people know do I exist?

Yeah.

What's even going on?

So therefore you're forced into this performative existence of like, hey guys, I exist.

Remember me?

Like, would be over here?

Like, remember?

I'm part of the tribe.

So it's such a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants to play.

I mean, it is fun.

Like, there's value to it.

There's good information.

Like, I don't want to say there's not virtues to it.

But the way it's structured now, it's just like a loss for society overall.

Yeah, dude.

Well, there's just things that you would miss, bro.

Sitting there at home wondering if a chick thought about you or not.

Yeah.

Bro.

Yeah.

I mean, now you can just find out immediately she's liking some of the dude.

You see that she's already married or whatever.

But back in the day, you couldn't do that.

So you just had to, and you thought that she did.

So you were like, hopeful and excited and you would just, you would take care of yourself

till the next time you saw her.

But now you just go see something like, oh, she's out with Rick or whatever.

So now I'm depressed.

Now I'm at home.

Now I'm not even going to get out of bed.

You know, I think, um, just those things.

And then the, also like the negative effects of just like, if you communicate with all

types of people all day, then when you finally see like your spouse or your partner at the

end of the day, you're kind of burnt out sometimes, you know, your burnt out because you've

had all this odd connection that's not real connection, but it's, it's a, some artificial

connection.

It's like if you've been eating fritos all day, and then you get to dinner, you're like,

oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I just, this looks so good.

Yeah.

I'm just, I can't even have any right now.

I'm already full of shit.

So we, with this project, we have been, so basically, my project don't die.

Oh, your project don't die.

Okay.

So like basically, like the idea is, if we are the first generation who won't die, then

the goal is like, identify things that make you die.

And then don't do those things, right?

Try to eliminate them.

So what you're talking about at the end of the day, when you're like, I don't know

what it is, but I just feel like shit.

Right.

So it's basically, it's the stacking of all these things that make you die.

For example, did you know this that when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's,

you have to smell the, you, you, right, when you walk in, that is like second-hand smoke.

It's the aerosol, aerosolized oils.

Yeah.

So like, that's Ronald McDonald's cologne, maybe.

It is cologne.

That's creepy.

Wow.

You know what?

That's creepy as fuck.

Very creepy.

Because you got that play place in the back.

Oh my god.

That is just totally shit.

I didn't think about that.

It is, huh?

So like, that is one example.

So we track 250 things in our society that make me die.

And so when you go about your day, with this project, you'll die.

Yeah.

Exactly.

So you guys track 250 things that make you die.

Yeah.

So basically, when I started doing this, we said, okay, like, are we the first generation

who won't die?

Okay.

Let's take that as a premise.

So they're a hired team of doctors and we got to work.

And so we went through all the scientific evidence.

We said, like, what does the scientific evidence say about longevity and things that make

you die?

And then I measured every organ in my body that I could.

Like we would go through and say, what is the age?

So I was 42 years old when we started.

So I said, like, what is the biological age of my heart?

Because your biological age can be different than your chronological age.

Okay.

So for example, like my ear, my left ear is age 64, because I shot a lot of guns as a

kid.

Listen to loud music.

So it's impaired.

So we measured all of my organs and said, like, here's my baseline.

And then we got to work, like doing therapies and measurement.

And so I became those measured person in human history.

There's more data on my body than any humans have ever lived.

And so in doing that, we just found out, like, what kills the body?

You know, like, do microplastics harm the body?

If so, how?

You know, like, do just going into fast food, like aerosolized to that, like social media.

And so when you, it really resonates when you say you go home, like, you don't know

why you feel like shit, but after doing this for years, I know why.

It's like the stacking of all these things that society has done to make a profit.

And then it's just like, you're the collateral damage.

But it's like, we've built a society of die.

And that's what sucks about it.

So I'm, I never want to approach it to say, like, hey, you individual, like, you get

off your phone and you stop doing these things.

It's like, the system's broken.

Right.

What we're talking about this moment is if we do see this moment is like, this is like

1870, bacteria is present.

Do we believe this crazy idea or not?

Like, this could be like, it would change everything.

So like, we transform ourselves as a society.

Yeah.

I love that idea because yeah, when you put it like that, it gives you more of a hope.

It gives it more of like this universal type of thing that's going on.

And I feel that I feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now.

Like, is this good for me?

Why did I believe all these companies?

Why did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking

out for me?

It's obvious now from so many trials and corporate interests that they weren't.

There's all these things that none of that was happening.

And so now it's back on us.

And what do we really want?

Right?

Because we put the faith, I think a lot of people would put the faith in the hands of their

government.

And not entirely, but you would just assume that, yeah, the food they're letting come

into us into our lives where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks

this, that it's going to be okay for us.

And then I think it's at the point now where people, that idea is totally spoiled.

So where do we go from here?

Are those powers going to try to like imprison us into this space?

Which also feels like it's going to, they're trying to because you have like companies like

Bear and Monsanto.

They're lobbying, you know, like trying to keep all these things in our food and make sure

that people can't sue if they do get sick.

Or is it going to be that there's some sort of a revolution?

So I saw you just, you just asked Trevor to pour your coffee into, and that was out of

a paper cup into, hey, yeah, stay in the steel, yeah.

Okay.

What is the cause of that?

Because that's one thing a lot of people were thinking of what's, yeah.

So there's a lot of, there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics.

Yeah.

They're everywhere.

There are clothes.

There are food.

We did this project where we said, okay, can we measure microplastics in my body?

And so we did a few things.

One is we measured microplastics in my blood and we measured microplastics in my

semen.

Okay.

And so two distinct biological systems.

And we wanted to look at semen because fertility is really important and we wanted to

say because there was a few studies that showed that 100% of tested males have microplastics

in their balls and they're semen.

And so we wanted to basically pose this question, could we do anything in life that would

lower my microplastic burden in my body and my blood and all my semen?

And so we did a few things like one is the cups they use for your hot coffee.

They leach microplastics.

They heat causes the leaching of microplastics.

So when you're drinking that coffee, you're consuming microplastics.

And so we did that plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it.

And we dropped my microplastic burden by 87% in both blood and semen.

And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever demonstrated that

that you could look at both those things and look at their mediations.

And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things

we did like removing plastic cups, you know, plastic cutting boards, like trying to remove

plastic from the house, then also dry sauna.

We think dry sauna was potentially, we're not sure.

It's actually the cause of reducing microplastics in the body overall.

So it's kind of the example of where if you hear a headline of like toxin, like microplastic

is scary, we try to lay out a clear path of like you can do these things to reduce your

exposure and to bring your levels down.

So we do that systematically over like a whole bunch of things.

But yeah, that's why I basically try to avoid any material that would be warmed and

leach microplastics where I stain the still, you don't have that leaching problem.

Got it.

And what about using just our microwaves and stuff like that?

Are there microplastics in there?

I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air friars and stuff like that.

Is that stuff true or is that just a sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air

fryer?

Yeah.

I mean, if you're air fryer, I was looking into air fryer recently.

I think a lot of them are made with plastic.

And so you're heating these materials to certain degrees where you're inevitably going

to have off-gas scene of microplastics.

And I know this is the thing is like, once you start, once you realize the plastic is

a target, you realize you come to learn it's in everything, not like everywhere you look.

So even now, like after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still, like

for example, here's an example.

I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics.

I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton.

So there I am, trying to rid myself of toxins, and I'm using it on my body, right?

I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh,

I'm like, wiping my body with toxins.

So like, you know, like that was an idiotic mistake.

But like an example, like we're always, we're just finding this forever.

So I got rid of all the, I thought that was a cotton towel that wasn't, but we got rid

of that.

But it's just forever.

It's amazing how omnipresent they are.

Yeah.

I've actually been working with this company, American Giant, that they make, they've

tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America, like that's,

I mean, just a top to bottom, America only company that makes textiles or clothing,

because they don't really even have those anymore.

Yeah.

I remember their journey was, how do we even get a shirt made here?

And it was seemingly impossible just because we don't have the looms or so many things

we don't have.

But we've been working on a cotton, like a cotton only underwear that would be just

so it's only cotton, right?

So you're not dealing with anything else.

That's awesome.

What fabrics have you found that are okay to kind of keep on your body that do not have

microplastics in them?

And which ones are the ones that people need to be wary of?

Yeah.

There's a list.

So, I mean, one is on the cotton stuff is we were, we've, everything I put into my

body, we test.

Like all the food I eat, so we were testing clothing and actually we tested a diaper.

A diaper where the portion of the diaper that absorbs the urine for the baby, we

tested that.

And it was like eight times as high in glyphosate.

So cotton unexpectedly, that puts in the pesticides.

Exactly.

So cotton is better than like a polyester, but cotton is also not, it's not just pure, right?

So there could be residual pesticides in your cotton, like how fast that come out we

don't know.

But this is like, I, this is like dangerous because I think a lot of people listen to

kind of like, oh my God, I give up.

Like, what do I do?

Right.

But I want to give you hope that you, you just slowly peel back one layer after another,

after another, like chip away.

It's okay.

We'll get off, we'll get on top of this.

But just like, you just know that there's always these layers.

So yeah, so we tested that.

So that's in the diaper.

Now there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin.

No one's tested it.

So maybe it is.

If it is, that's terrible.

We're bathing our children.

You're brave in bathing their private parts in pesticides and the diapers.

And so like, this is the kind of thing where I'm saying, like once you start chasing these,

these paths, you just find out society has built itself for profit.

They've not built itself for life.

And that's what you see everywhere.

And so back to this conversation, you, the point you made before, I'm like, this idea

of care, like think of, okay, here's a question for you.

Who in your life unquestionably acts in your best interest?

Like without a doubt, they act in your best interest.

Right my brother.

Like you can probably count on one hand, right?

Yeah.

Everyone else, like whether it's like a social group or whether it's companies or the government

or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives.

Part of it may be like, it's not good, but a whole bunch of it.

The wrapper behind it may be like, they want something from you.

And so there's this idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company I'm building

around this is, can we legitimately unquestionably always act in our customers best interest?

Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you because that's really like what

I've been trying to do in this whole process.

But it just shows that as a society, we don't have care as a principle is our society.

Like you're not expected to actually act in someone's best interest.

You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit.

Well, it's almost all romanticized.

Well, it probably used to be that way and I don't know if that's true or not.

But the fact that we're at that place now, I think is important.

We do this thing this year around the holidays where we've tried to find 10 American companies

that were like American made products and then show those off like highlight those.

It was me and Mike Rowe.

And it was just so if you want to buy something that's American, you can get it.

This is something that when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American.

So it's like screw these big company.

If I buy it from you and you buy it from me, then we keep each other alive.

So we're trying to start to create this space where you can do that where it's like, if

I want to buy something, I'd rather instead of going to look at these things that are

in the same shelves in every single place, why don't I go find this unique thing that's

only made by one of my fellow human beings.

That's a cool idea.

It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently, like in the world.

And we're trying to work with Shopify or something.

Some company to come along and be like, well, these are the sites.

People are going to need these sites to build their products.

But because in it's like, we even had a woman who sells these really great little characters

and ornaments and stuff, so we had some artists and creatives in there.

But it was great.

And a lot of them had great profits.

It was like, oh, people want this, right?

People want to go down the road where there is some accountability for themselves.

And they want to be in a way where they can purchase, where they're putting their money,

it feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know probably need it just as much

as I do.

They're just a regular person.

They're not a big entity.

So I think, anyway, I'm saying I think there's somewhat of a, people do care to get people

to care where they're spending, you know?

That's kind of stuff is very important.

What are your thoughts on RFK juniors, his eat real food initiative have you seen that?

Yeah, I have.

Yeah.

It ties in being this folks person.

What's that?

Yeah.

Mike Tyson was the spokesperson.

He was in the Super Bowl ad.

Oh, I didn't even see that.

Yeah, yeah.

Because he came one of you and he talked about it.

He just said, eat real food, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah, that is great.

I mean, I think, so RFK is a friend.

Yeah.

Same.

Yeah, he's getting after it.

Like in any situation, people are going to have various opinions, fine, but he's really

trying his best.

Right.

So I respect that he's pulling up and he's made some great, he has some great wins,

getting rid of food, dies and so yeah, I mean, I'm grateful for him doing it.

It was cool, you know, like Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness

more than any public figure.

When I was, when I was seven years old, he had, he, I think he was 21.

He just won the belt.

And he was on the cover sports illustrator, like every week again, that's right.

I would cut those out and I had it on my wall, but Mike Tyson was my idol.

And I actually, this is like a terrible story.

I loved him so much and I saved up all, I worked all summer long, mowing lawns and

like doing all this whole bunch of shit, I saved up money and I bought the pay-per-view.

It was like $44.95, I called my friends over, I'm going to treat them to this amazing

experience and he was fighting Buster Douglas, his first big loss.

And oh my God, that was, that was like soul-wrenching because I wanted to see Tyson like, you know,

knock on the park, I'd never seen him fight live and you couldn't just like pull him

up on clips on YouTube, YouTube's like it's, you know, harder to see, but anyway, somebody

like, tangent there, but it's cool to see Tyson go from that to now he's like in my

world talking about real food and how it's important.

So I think he's got to, he's got a cool life arc.

He has had a great life arc.

I mean, he's pretty fasting.

We're supposed to do a podcast with him coming up soon actually in L.A. actually.

So if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there.

We'd love to.

I would love to meet him.

Super dude.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

He was like, you know, boxers were such, like, I don't know, like, they were such gods.

They held that status, right, in the 80s, they were it, like, you have like basketball

at the bowls, you've got the bears, you know, Bo Jackson, like, they were it.

Yeah.

100%.

Oh, what do you think the government's role should be in our health and diet?

And so I guess I got two things.

One is there, there are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government

prevents me from doing it.

So I can go out and smoke.

I can eat fast food.

I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity drug.

The companies are forbidden from allowing me to do that.

So like in many ways, I, I dislike, they give me the freedom to kill myself, but I can't

have the, I don't have the right to experiment on myself.

Now, I wish I had more experiments, experiment, experimental power that I could do that.

Have there been certain drugs that you wanted to go try or something?

A lot of them, really.

Yeah, yeah.

What's one that really kind of, you know, tickles your Benjamin butt?

Yeah.

That's a good, that's good.

I mean, there's a whole bunch of, there's like probably a dozen.

And like the thing I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of determining

if it's safe or not.

Now if I mess up, it's on me.

Yeah.

Like I'll take that responsibility, but I do, I don't want them to say like only after,

because in it, it creates this gigantic, you know what I mean?

It makes sense.

Companies go through like a structured process and they say it's gone through this process.

We give it a stamp of approval.

So like it's a good idea.

Like on large scale vaccines, like you don't want to ship a shitty vaccine to society, totally

get it.

Also, right?

On like n equals one, like me scale, I want to do things without their limited liability

to do it.

So it's a really tricky balance because there needs to be some structure in place where

as a member of the society, I can say, I trust some entity to ensure what I'm doing

is safe because we're saying the company itself can't be trusted, right?

Like there needs to be some, right?

Some middleman.

Yeah.

That's the idea.

And it feels like can't be trusted.

Exactly.

So like what if we just like take this little wholesale, what we're going back to is care,

right?

Like do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately looking after my best

interests or not?

And so what I'm saying when you go back to like who legitimately is looking after your

best interests, it's not like one hand, your brother.

Yeah.

And so what if we established as a society, the principle of care?

And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not in your best financial

interest.

You've got to do things like don't look good.

So like it really puts a different mentality, but also man would be kick ass to live

in that society.

Yeah.

You know, if you're going to tell me to take a drug, like you're not hiding shit, like you're

not like, you know, so that'd be cool.

So.

Oh, yeah.

It'd be so nice because imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us.

Yeah.

You know, it's so stressful now.

It's like you go eat a hot cake or whatever and you're like, is this thing going to

kill me?

Not today.

Yeah.

But is there something in here that they're strategizing to kill me 30 years from now?

Yeah.

It's some new disease in me that then I'll need some new type of medicine.

You know, it's just kind of, yeah, it's a lot of turmoil.

What is your kind of daily dietary strategy?

Where do you stand with your diet?

Yeah.

And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like.

Cool.

Yeah.

The principle here is that I am a collection of around 70 trillion cells, like Brian Johnson

is 70 trillion cells, half, like over half of those cells are alien cells and not even

me.

They're just bacteria.

So I'm like around 30, 35 trillion cells.

Is it true?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You, you are a collection of like 70 trillion cells.

That makes deal on.

Okay.

And half of those cells are not, they're not you.

They're not natural born citizens.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

They're immigrants.

Yeah.

So like they're bacteria, another that are hanging out in your ecosystem.

And so the question is like, you know, when it comes to food, food is just a collection

of molecules.

So you're taking one set of molecules and you put them in your molecules and you see

like what happens.

And so we know, for example, when you take fast food, those molecules are putting your

body, it does bad stuff.

And so with diet, we basically just say, if you have to create a list of the very best

molecules in existence that help the body thrive, what are those molecules?

So every calorie has a fight for its life.

And so that's the first principle.

And then two is I don't subscribe to any camp.

Like I'm not carnivore.

I'm not vegan.

I'm not vegetarian.

I'm not paleo.

I'm not keto.

I just want to look at the evidence and say you take a given thing, you put in the body,

what happens?

And so I might die at primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables.

I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil.

That's primarily what I eat.

And so I'm just I'm extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most don't die

person in the world.

So, but you know, if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat, you know, like do your thing.

If you enjoy eggs, do eggs, just measure your body.

Like measure your body and see if you're happy or not.

The body is so there's what your mind can say, like, oh, I love blank, but measuring

your body is a different thing.

Your body is going to tell is going to speak the truth, not your mind.

So basically like you want to measure out your body report out, how's inflammation,

how's cholesterol, like how's all the different markers.

So.

And when it comes to meat and things like that, or they're just, you don't like them,

or you feel like they don't work for your body, was there something that you found that

you were like, this isn't the best for me?

So it's actually, I mean, one is I think there's two points.

One is I think you can make an evidence based argument that a diet that primarily consists

of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil, legumes is one of the best

paths to longevity, not the only, but like a good one.

And then on the like red meat, there's not a ton of evidence that a lot of tons of longevity

evidence that says this thing is a longevity up producer now.

But I pull myself out of the argument, because I don't care about red meat, I don't care

about the argument, I don't care about the disagreement.

If somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you in eating red meat.

Like I'm not going to go after red meat, like I'm not that person.

So just like do you patch you on the back while you have a little, you know, while you

have some burn in.

Yeah, man, do it.

Like do your thing and just measure your body.

So I tried to do that and I tried to then share my body biomarkers and say, here's what

my body looks like.

Here's the evidence.

If you want to try it out, here you go.

But like a lot of, so like a couple things, one is I love extra virgin olive oil.

I think it's one of the best foods you can put into your body.

Is that a seed oil or not?

No, okay.

Yeah, there's like this whole seed oils are bad for you.

I don't, I don't buy it.

You don't.

No, I think it's fried, it's, it's high temp seed oils, but you know, like cold pressed

seed oils.

You know, like they're fine.

So like that whole thing got away, but you think the seed oil thing is kind of out there.

Yeah, yeah.

It's, you don't want to heat them.

That's when they become dangerous, but cold pressed seed oils, the evidence says they're

fine.

But again, like if somebody wants to do it, great, like, you know, you have a stain or

take it, just measure yourself to try to find the markers.

Right.

Check them with yourself.

Have some sort of like, okay, how do I really feel after having this?

Yeah, and how does your body report out?

Write your mind, not your opinion, not what social media says, ask your body to report

out with biomarkers.

Get a blood draw.

Look at your markers and say, it's the body happier, sad.

Right.

Not each time you, but you're saying over time, over time, because yeah, because those like,

your body reflects your diets over, you know, period of time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But like the easy ones, like just avoid, there we go.

Yeah, this was just saying cooking oils, not all cooking oils are created equal.

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But you don't buy into this.

I mean, so this is cooking.

This is what does this is actually using it for cooking?

Yeah.

What does well at higher heats?

This is kind of what you're saying, actually, that some of these may provide less health

benefit for you.

Yeah.

But on this, though, like this graph, I want to see the toxic compounds that are formed.

Otherwise, like, I don't know how to read this graph.

Right.

Right.

And they'll show stuff like this.

I mean, even in trap me, it just, you know, they use the red, yellow, green, green,

green.

Yeah, exactly.

There's a lot of small strategies that can kind of like, yeah, I want to see what temperature,

one of the toxic compounds I'm evaluating, when do they form, et cetera.

So that is like a, that would be a much more quantified approach.

Right.

Now I feel like I have a good basis for decision making versus like, this is easy to read

online.

You see red, green, yellow.

It's like, okay, good bad because anything more than good bad, it kind of gets overwhelming

for people.

Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah.

You say extra virgin olive oil.

That's sort of your go-to.

Yeah.

Based upon the evidence, I, my team and I have reviewed, this is what I would suggest if

people want quick takeaways.

One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet is 15% of my daily

caloric intake.

But it's, we source it ourselves, we test it in the lab ourselves.

It's high polyphenol has, it's the right acids, right, right, constitution.

So it's a specific kind of olive oil.

It's not, because most olive oil's bullshit, like most of it does nothing and most of it

a lot of, yeah.

So you need to vary.

So whatever you buy, make sure it has a third party lab test result.

Now that's, that's a lot.

Like, what is your brand that you tell us, I mean, I know, or do you have this yourself

that we can buy it to your own?

I do it myself, because like, going back to that discussion of care and trust, after

you're playing this game for five years, I don't trust anybody.

Yeah.

No one.

Like, I don't care what they say I'm marketing.

I don't care.

I just don't trust anyone.

That's how I am.

So like, yeah.

I want to source it from the farm myself.

I want to test it in the third party lab.

So I just basically, I did this myself and then my friends were like, I want this too.

And I'm like, sure.

Yeah, I was about to ask you for something and this is, but this is one you guys have.

It's called snake oil.

Yeah.

It's kind of a troll.

Yeah.

But yeah, it's basically be sourced from both hemispheres, Southern hemisphere, Northern

hemisphere.

We always have a fresh batch.

We did third party testing.

It's high polyphenols.

So all of it.

And also, like, I do a tablespoon with every meal because when you eat food, it causes

damage to your body.

Like, a lot of people don't know that.

They think like food is like a good thing, which it is.

But also there's a, there's damage associated.

So all of oil lessons, that damage, like less than some of the oxidative damage.

So that's all of oil's one, two is eight, a lot of legumes, like lentils, edamame, beans,

a lot of vegetables, but I steamed them.

So when you, when you char something, whether it be charring vegetables or meat or something,

it builds something called AGEs.

AGEs?

Yeah.

I get it in products, which is basically just thinking about like junk that builds up

in your, in your, in your body.

You don't want it.

So I steamed vegetables to lower the AGEs and then I ate a lot of nuts, macadamia nuts,

almonds, walnuts, I like walnuts.

Yeah.

Okay.

Those are like the, those are good ones.

Like, I don't eat cashews or peanuts, those are like the less valuable ones.

They're drunkards nuts.

They're like, they, they, they're like, oh, you're drunk here.

Yeah.

Then I do a lot of, um, and cashews just looks like it's fucking, it looks like it doesn't

even know what it's doing.

If you look at a cashew, bring up a cashew.

It looks kind of bisexual, which is fine, but I'm just saying it looks like it'll sleep

over it.

Anybody's having this problem to me.

Yeah.

I think it's a good interpretation.

I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance, but you know what I think you're

right.

And I've never even thought about it until now, but I'm glad I'm even saying some

of this.

Yeah.

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Yeah, I had a couple thoughts, you know, like, I wish I could say, I wish I could talk

about shit like you do.

Like I have several thoughts I just had, I'd like to express them, but I don't.

You know, like, I still play within a certain box of, like, what I cannot say, but...

And is it, do you think it's some of that's for, like, business purposes, or do you

just think it's just, like, a social way that you learned?

I mean, it's like there, as weird as I am, and as much elbow room as I've created in

doing crazy shit, there's still some things that I would say that would alienate certain

people.

And so I do have some parameters, and so, but I, you know, if, if I wasn't doing this,

honestly, I'd do stand-up comedy.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

If you're like, oh, that's cool.

Oh, man, it would be, it would be so much fun, because you basically, you're trying

to put your finger on the thing.

Yeah.

And that's what I try to do in my life, but you're like, and so, and when people, the

response, of course, is like, how good you are, put your finger on the thing, they already

know.

Right.

But you're willing to say it, and you can string it together.

So, yeah.

But you're kind of doing that.

You're kind of like a, um, I mean, it's just not stand-up comedy, but you're just doing

it for our health, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm, I would weigh, rather, you're this guy out there who's like, just, who's basically

riding around being his own foodoo doll and shit, then have you out there like trying

jokes, which you may have been very successful at as well.

Um, but I'm glad you're doing what you are.

Maybe, you know, maybe to be a side thing or next life, but also some people might not

even take you as seriously.

You know, one night I watched John Mayer, he got up in his stand-up comedy, and he's

like, man, I love stand-up comedy.

I would have loved to be a stand-up comedian, and he goes, but now I'm so known for being

what I am that I can't even be this because, uh, it just people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't

give you the same walkway into their lives as, as they would knowing I'm already John Mayer,

you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would love to take that on that challenge.

And, man, I would love you.

You could have so many great jokes.

I want to make fun of myself.

I, like, I'm so weird, right?

Yeah.

Dude, of course you are, dude, you probably, you probably, I don't even have any blood in

your body, dude.

You could go to a blood draw and there just keep drawing and drawing the to see there.

Like, nurses are coming out like, we don't know.

You know?

I mean, oh, dude, I bet if you, have you ever been on Killton, if you've been on that

show?

No.

Oh, bro.

If you, I wonder if we, maybe next time I go on there, you and me could go.

He's just, if you've ever seen it, no, it's this, it's like the tonight show now, but

they do it out that in Austin and it's, uh, and dude, I bet people would write some jokes

for it.

Bro, it'd be so great.

Let's do it.

It'd be so much fun.

I would love to.

This is it.

It's so much fun, bro.

Every week they have it.

You would be the best on there, dude.

I went to a couple roast me, um, shows and it was pretty good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, I really enjoy people making fun of me.

It's fun.

My buddy, Adam Hunter, does, I used to do a lot of those, I know he's one of the best

at it, um, but Tony Hinchcliffe is really great at it, too.

And that's his show, Kill Tony, um, okay, where there are other things you were going

to tell us about the some, so some other hell stuff you said that your own, and you also

have a, and I'm not pushing your products here, but I was given a gift of one of your products

and I haven't taken it before and it's a blueprint protein powder.

Yeah.

Is it a protein powder?

Is it a daily powder?

What is it?

Yeah, protein.

Okay.

It's a protein powder.

And a lot of times you hear this supplement and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff just

comes out in your urine like, what makes this thing any different or is it any different?

Yeah.

So the, the problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day, somehow.

Yeah.

And I need a certain amount of protein, a certain amount of fat.

And so when I go out in the world, I'm like, where am I going to buy it?

I, who do I trust?

No one.

Okay.

So I got to manufacture this.

So basically like we put together, uh, I eat everything my company makes, uh, because

I trust it.

I, I, you know, I worked as a, in high school, I worked at a restaurant, I was, um, and

I saw the back kitchen operations and I was like, damn, I am never eating the fish restaurant

ever again.

Right?

Would you see it?

It's, it's horrifying.

Yeah.

Well, it's crazy when you think you're at a restaurant that you think that the people

in the back are doing their best because a lot of times you're like, you'll go eat and

then I'll go work at a restaurant.

So it's like, then I'm just the person in the back.

Yeah.

The whole idea of like, it's like, competent things going on behind the scenes that, like,

you can trust, like, nah, not like some breaks it.

So yeah, so like blueprint, I see exactly what happens.

That's what I want to use.

So yeah, protein, I basically need like 130 grams a day and so I have to get it from

somewhere.

So yeah, we'd same thing up.

We source it.

We third party test it.

Um, you know, we look at all the, the nutrients and the chemicals and the toxins.

So yeah, so the protein is one of the things we built.

And so, um, and would kind of protein powder do you recommend?

I take a plant protein right now.

That's kind of what I feel like works best with my system.

Yeah.

But, um, is there a type of, because you hear different ones and new ones pop out and

then there's like the one you're supposed to take at night, like, what has your experience

been like with protein powder?

We've been using pee and hemp.

We started using pumpkin and, um, pumpkin got some most pump.

Yeah, yeah.

So there's, there's, it should be obvious pumpkin as muscles, dude.

Yeah, exactly.

You're looking to fucking, you're looking to fucking flex in the, in the fields, right?

You see it?

You see it?

It's like that.

Who's the, who's the defined?

Yeah.

So like we, yeah, we did that.

But, you know, like, pee doesn't mix very well though.

Yeah.

That's why.

So that's why we do the hemp combo.

Okay.

And it helps it.

It makes it fluffy and nice.

Because pee, someone's all get it in a smoothie or something and you can't even drink

it because it's not the, the solution isn't like liquid enough.

Yeah.

So we do that.

But people, there's like this online thing where people say that plant-based proteins

are higher in heavy metals, right, because there's, you can test it.

The issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion is so fucked up because

we test all my foods.

You can go to the store and get a carrot and test that for heavy metals.

It's high in heavy metals.

And so the only reason why they, they, they, it's been sensational around plant-based proteins

with toxins is because it's packaged food you can easily measure.

But it's a harder to measure fresh food.

People look to the work.

So like we've learned toxins are everywhere in all foods.

And so for example, I give you one where I was eating these lentils.

And the test came back high.

And so we're like, why are lentils high in heavy metals?

Like what's going on there?

So we got a hold of the company and we're like, what's, what's your manufacturing process?

They said, actually we use a human sludge as our fertilization.

So they're taking, like, duty or whatever.

Yeah.

They're taking, they're taking human shit because it's like a, who's selling it?

Yeah.

So they're using human shit to fertilize and human shit has heavy metals in it.

So then it recycles back into the, to the food.

So we've been, this is why I make this shit because I shouldn't say stuff.

So we want to source our own food.

We want to test it.

I want to know what I'm putting in my body.

And so we just, I've learned way too much.

I'm like, I'm so jaded now.

So the lentils, they were using human shit on their crops.

And it was getting into the lentils somewhat.

That's why, because otherwise if you think about it,

you're like, what foods naturally have high levels of blank, right?

Or like cocoa has high levels of heavy metals.

Like there has a lot of high levels of cadmium naturally.

But then people test that that I cured the brand rankings.

But then glyphosate could also be present.

And so we found that the brand had the lowest levels of cadmium had the highest levels

of glyphosate by like 10X.

They had an oat filler.

So it was in the oats.

And so this is the thing is like you, once you actually take a topic and you actually

slice it up to capture the nuance, it's just, the conversation online is almost never

right.

Like when the things that drain, that gain trendy popularity, it's almost always wrong.

And when you said that some of it almost is negligible then because at a certain point

just overall, we are in a very tough spot with, with what is in our foods no matter what.

100%.

Like this I'm saying, like it is, I don't, people are going to feel stressed about this

conversation.

So I want to like make sure we close.

I want to agree.

I want to, I want to give like a few tips where people can regain control of their life.

Okay.

Because I don't want to terrify.

I know it's terrifying.

Things that I even, I think you've already done is that's why you're saying like, okay,

you may have this diet.

If you have an olive oil that you take when you're eating, that it will lessen the effects

of your diet on your system at the time.

So, and those are the types of things that are kind of important.

It's like, okay, well, I know that even if some stuff I know is going to be not great

for me, how do I at least just mitigate what's going on while our science hopefully

gets uncompromised while our food system hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able

to get back into a better place.

But you were saying there are some things you want to take away.

Yeah.

Okay.

Cool.

So here's like in short, this, this list of things will hopefully help people feel empowered

and not anxious.

So yes, there's like all kinds of shit to be aware of.

But if you focus on these things, so one is I've learned out of all the things I've measured

out of, I literally have like billions of data points on my body over the past five

years.

If you just still that and say how many are useful signal, probably a few hundred million.

But the largest data setting in history, the thing I care about the most is what is my

heart rate before bed?

It is like the most useful biomarker and it's so easy because it's free.

So if you have a wearable, you can just pull up your phone, see what you're wearing,

whatever you're wearing.

So you go, you lay it on your bed, take a few deep breaths and you call yourself down

and then you see a number.

Let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60.

Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate.

So you say you start off at 60 in a month from now, be at 55.

And so the way you do that one is you have your final meal the day, four hours before

bed.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

I hear you.

And no snacks.

No, no food.

So if you're bed time to 10 at 6 pm, you're done.

There you go.

That's a great chart.

Got it.

So these are the things.

If you increase your heart rate before bed, it wrecks your sleep.

Yes.

When you don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff.

So the next morning when you're trying to decide you eat the croissant or the donut

for breakfast or not, if you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely to eat

the donut or the croissant.

If you slept well, you have a little juice in the system.

You're like, you know what?

No, it's not good for me.

And I'm going to exercise, which then also increases your willpower.

So you get this really positive loop.

So all starts with sleep and sleep is determined by your heart rate.

So for example, like so four hours for bed, that is going to lower.

So when you have that distance, it allows your body to digest the food.

It allows your body to say, I'm going to get ready for bed.

So lower your body temperature, lower cortisol, increases melatonin, so your body is in

a much better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep.

The second thing is your phone needs to be off an hour before bed.

You can't be in bed scrolling, working, texting.

You need this separation because your body, the phone in hand, is going to increase your

cortisol, increase your sympathetic activation.

You'll be more anxious.

And so you need an hour of separation.

Instead of the phone, they go for a walk, talk to a friend, hang out, like breathwork,

meditation, read a book, like anything but be on your phone that will lower your heart

rate.

So other small things, like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to bed at 8.30, at 7.30

PM evening, or sleep Brian comes on duty.

And sleep Brian is a version of me that defends my sleep.

And so all the Brian's line up, so ambitious Brian lines up, he's always the first one.

He wants to work.

And he's like, I got a fucking banger idea, right?

A brand new thing we're going to do.

And sleep Brian says, we see you ambitious Brian, like we're doing a good job in life.

We're going to keep out of man, also, we're getting ready for bed.

So we're going to write down your idea and then tomorrow we'll come back to it.

And ambitious Brian's like, are you sure?

And sleep Brian's like, yeah, yeah, we got you.

So then he won't go the way that anxious Brian shows up.

And he's like, you know, today when you were a Theo, you said that thing and you were

a jackass to him, right?

And it's like, thank you, anxious Brian, great self-awareness.

Appreciate you.

We're going to write that down.

We're going to hit Theo up tomorrow, make sure we're all good.

And they're like, all the Brian's line up.

And so you know the sleep Brian ever show up.

He's like, hey, let's stay up.

All the time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This Brian is fricking.

Leave me alone, Brian.

Yeah.

And so you'll see this.

Like what, whether you do this or something else, the way this manifests is if you don't

do this, you put your head on the pillow and then you loop, right?

Like you have these thoughts and just like go, go and go into the same thoughts.

And then you finally fall asleep, you wake up three hours later, that they are again looping.

And so if they cause your heart rate to go up, which causes your sleep to go down, which

crashes your willpower, which crashes everything else.

So by doing this like internal harvesting, like you're trying to clean up, you're lowering

your heart rate, you're settling yourself down, you're getting to some point of reconciliation.

So now you've not eaten for four hours.

You've got off your phone and you've got some kind of internal balance.

Now you're ready to think I can lead it, put my head on the pillow and have a decent

shot at a bang or a night sleep.

And so basically I've built my entire life around sleep.

Now if you focus on that, it's just like so much of life is just not doing bad shit.

Like this is like what we talked about before of like whether you're happy or not in life

is how much you're doing, which you actually don't want to do.

Yeah.

And then like all the other stuff, like all these little things about this and that, like

don't worry about it yet.

Just get sleep in place, get these basic habits in place, you're sleep is going to make

you feel great.

And then once you get that in a steady place, you can start layering on good habits.

But if you take on too many things, you'll feel overwhelmed.

Yeah.

So like get that in place.

That's like the winner.

Dude, it's like there's nothing better than when you like, I'm going to sleep, man,

it always sleep.

And what do you say?

How's your sleep?

My sleep's okay.

I'm not that great.

A lot of times I stay up editing, but I also have gotten trapped into a late pattern.

So it's like I could get up earlier.

It's just like I have to line it up earlier.

I could get up earlier, get rid of like the working out, the meditation.

You know, I'll do like some zoom, like recovery meeting stuff.

And then all that's out of my head.

And now the rest of my day feels more, it feels easier no matter what I'm doing.

As opposed to these things being later in the day and that I still have to do them.

That's one of the biggest traps I set myself up for is procrastinating like the toughest

things right out of the gate.

And they even get easier over time.

Yeah, that's right.

But like today I got up by sauna.

I do sauna a lot.

That is one thing that I like doing.

It just makes me feel activated.

And not everybody can have a sauna at home.

You know, I don't have like a very fancy when there's a lot of different affordable ones

actually.

But that's something that I noticed has helped me a lot.

Are you icing your boys in the sauna?

Am I icing my body?

Your boys.

My nuts?

Yeah.

It's a good idea.

Are you icing in the sauna?

Yeah.

Whoa, whoa, what do you mean?

Yeah.

So we did an experiment.

So when the testicles get warm, it has all these negative consequences.

It destroys your fertility markers.

And so, yep, so what you want, what you can do is on Amazon.

You can buy like $8 ice packs.

They're BPA-free, non-toxic, put them in the freezer, and then just slide them underneath

your cotton.

So we're cotton underwear, cotton shorts, put them in between the underwear and the shorts,

and just have them there for the entire session of the sauna session.

But we did this.

I did the most measured sauna experiment in history.

We measured like 250 biomarkers, and we did ice all my testicles, and we took it off.

And it annihilated my fertility markers.

Now, a lot of people will say, like, I don't care about that because I'm not trying to

get pregnant or whatever, but it has a whole bunch of negative feedback loop.

Like, it's a negative feedback.

If you don't want to annihilate them, you want good fertility markers, even if you're

trying to have it, maybe.

Yeah, you want your brain to feel like your pot, like just alive.

But at a roll.

Yeah, if your brain starts feeling like, oh, these nuts are useless or whatever, it brings

like them.

What am I sticking around for?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

My job, exactly.

Dang, dude.

Now, what if you just pour a little bit of cold water on your nuts every now and then?

Is that you think that'd be okay?

I mean, you could, but you got to keep the water cold.

You've got to be sure you keep the temperature.

As long as you get the temperature low, like, whatever, whatever you do.

And then after you do it, just clean it with like hydrant peroxide or something, and then

put it back in the freezer.

But yeah, I know it's like, it's uncomfortable to do it socially.

Like, you go out to like a public place and it's like, who's the weird person putting,

you know, they ice pack all their balls, you know, but like, it legit is, it's good science

and it's a good practice.

So keeping them cool, even if you had to go to the wall, to go to the ice machine, get

you a little sack of ice and just set them on there while you're in there.

Now, anything you can do to keep your, your ice, your testicles cold.

Wow.

Is the sauna, is there a certain type of sauna that you really recommend or something

that works differently?

There's ones now like actually was thinking about getting like an infrared panel put into

my sauna.

Yeah.

Do you find that there's any help with that sort of thing?

I know that's kind of two different questions.

Yeah.

The best evidence is with a dry sauna.

And so there's wet, dry an infrared.

And wet, the problem is it heats up your skin faster than your core temperature.

You're trying to get your core temperature up.

So dry sauna, an infrared rarely hits the temperature levels you want.

So the best evidence is you want to be between 174 Fahrenheit to 212 Fahrenheit.

Oh my God.

That's warm.

That's your window.

So what we're doing now is one of the primary benefits of the sauna is when you go in

there, your core body temperature when it gets to about 102 degrees Fahrenheit, it triggers

the release of heat shock proteins.

So these are like little machines, protein machines that can spun up and they go around

and fix it.

They fix broken proteins.

Like millions.

Yeah.

Like they're like flooding your body, doing good stuff.

But it only gets triggered when your core body temperature hits a certain level.

And so if you're not hot enough to sauna, but they're very hard to measure.

So we're currently setting up a lab, a wet lab in my house.

We can measure this.

We're going to try to measure my heat shock protein release on various temperatures, various

durations.

So what we've been looking, because I've been doing core temperature out of my ear lately,

but you can't, the gold standard measurement is rectal.

But you've got to do that.

You've got to like be inside the ass for like two to three minutes with a long probe.

It's far more so I'm struggling with that one.

Like I do.

I do a lot of stuff.

But like man, I was like, guys, can we find an alternative way of doing this?

So we're going to do blood.

We're going to measure heat shock protein release because that's like the good, the good

stuff.

Basically dry sauna, somewhere between 12 to 12 Fahrenheit.

For 20 minutes is like a good starting point.

And then ice on the boys, ice on the boys while you're in there.

And you want to stay in that sauna for you said for 15 to 20 minutes above 170 degrees.

Yeah.

That's like a good approximation.

That's where the evidence is.

It's like, if you're in that range, you're getting some benefit.

I'm trying to go for like max, max benefit, but like if you're in that temperature range

for that duration of time, you're going to get a good benefit.

Wow.

That's fascinating, dude.

Um, yeah, because my, my steps are just got me a sauna hat to wear in the sauna too.

So that's good.

The heat will dry out your scalp.

Yeah.

It seems kind of nice to, you know, it's nice to have a little bit of like a fashion

of koo trim and in there kind of.

It's made of hemp, hemp material.

Yeah, probably something like that.

Yeah.

One thing we're trying to make an underwear that's just all cotton, right?

And it's American cotton.

One of the things I know is too one underwear, the, the night band, sometimes the, the

waistband, it's too tough and it makes you go pee all night.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's like you got to wake up an extra time or sometimes too.

Like if I wear some of these ones that are really constricting, I'm like, yeah.

So I don't know.

I've just been trying to think about making a decent pair of ball, a bridge is bruh,

something to hide your cock in a way.

Yeah.

While you're sleeping, bro.

I hear you, man.

It's a serious problem.

Yeah.

Dude.

It's crazy.

Um, I saw that you went viral not long ago for posting.

It was like a night time erection data.

Yeah.

Take me down at, uh, take me down at Weiner Road for a second.

Yeah.

Ryan, what did you, what did you see?

A night time erection data from my 19 year old son.

Yeah.

And this is definitely, I mean, that's one way to build, uh, as bonding, as bonding,

dude.

Uh, night time erection data from my 19 year old son, uh, Tom was Johnson and me.

His duration is two minutes longer than mine.

Wow.

Yet, uh, raise children to stand tall, be firm and be upright.

That's hilarious.