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Welcome and welcome once more to your Miami Heat Beat post-game show.

I am your host for this evening, Shavan, here with my guy Kyle.

Hi, Kyle.

Hello there.

How are you feeling?

Uh, good outside of this heat game.

All right, let's get into it a little bit.

Um, for the fifth time this year, your Miami Heat have fallen to the in-state people, you

know, those Orlando magic tonight, 121 to 117.

Holy, you can talk about the nail to make me feel better after this show.

Well, there is no G tonight to talk to you about the nail.

And I don't feel like talking about nails tonight much either.

So sorry for you there.

Um, yeah, Kyle, man, uh, five times, same team.

Is there something you feel, you know, keeping it about tonight, but zooming out just a little

bit.

Um, what is it?

What the, is it about the 20, 25, 20, 26 Orlando magic that has really just stuck it

to us all season in your opinion?

Um, I think it's a, it's a two sided thing.

Yeah.

One, it's the addition of Bane.

Let's just throw that out there.

Um, I think, you know, uh, it was always close games with Orlando the last few years.

Anyway, um, into zero in on this season, he's really just given them this gritty toughness,

um, from the guard position that they've deaths, they desperately needed and they, you

know, people were wondering why they gave up so much to get them.

This is why.

Um, now he didn't have the night that typically is like fireworks, but he was

impactful, uh, in his minutes.

And so, um, that addition with follow, and then I will throw this in here.

I don't want to give him any credit, but I have to say that he, he kind of changed the

energy of the game and kind of brought it to the heat, um, at first, uh, in, in MoVogner,

um, just irritating the entire night, um, and just being kind of getting in the head,

um, had a high light play, which I'm sure is going to go viral somewhere.

Um, but just brought energy, um, the game and gave them some minutes off the bench to

really kind of fuel kind of the, and my view is playing from behind a lot.

And that, that's kind of been a trend with playing this Orlando team.

They can't seemingly get past them, um, they don't out rebound, they get, they got out

rebounded tonight.

They got out tough a little bit through the corners.

Um, and so for whatever reason, it, and this happens with all teams.

You know, not isolated, it's not been in vacuum.

But just some teams have your number in, in, in the season.

And so they'll beat you.

Now, it happened to be five times because we were supposed to beat him in the turning

that did not happen lost at, um, on the road over there.

Um, so it's something about the way their size bothers the heat, um, the length that they

have and the ability to, to, to make shots, whether that's the three, which they're not

a great shooting team.

Right.

They seem to get out against us.

Um, and they're really good at second chance points.

They, they really crowd the paint and use their size to overpower.

And even if it's not a big guy, they just follow their shot, simple basketball stuff

that most people overlook, but that'll get you extra possessions.

Um, and so, you know, through the five games, for whatever reason, uh, they're not

they just, they know how to dig into the spaces of where the heat or just we get, you're

not going box out, somebody going to come get the ball.

Um, if you're, and they can defend, they move, they try to, most, for the most part,

defend without having without filing, um, really just put their bodies, play with their

chest.

As, as you've said, you know, is the best way to play defense, trying to keep your hands

up.

They really just play rangel defense.

So that bomb, that's bothered the heat.

So five times it's, um, man, let's see, October 22nd, 125 to 121, December 5th, 106, 105,

uh, December 9th, 117, 108, January 28th, leave that there, uh, 133 to 124 tonight, 121,

117.

Oh, look at our guys, CM 201 in there.

What do you say?

They did have a poor effort for three-fourths of the game and the reps were not, and the

reps were not why they lost, but that officiating late is something else.

Curtis Blair counting in, in double speed and the other rep counting, uh, in half this

week for the magic was bad.

It was bad.

We're going to come, we're going to come right there after we wrap up kind of a little

bit of the macro.

You know, I think you said enough, said it, uh, I stayed all the time kind of with this

Orlando team.

I was training about it today, like their size is just, it's incredible from here, their

bigs, their wings and their, um, their guard size.

Like Jalen Suggs is, he's got some height on him, but he's, he's strong.

He's not like a brolic, uh, Davey on type of strong, but he is functionally extremely

very athletic.

He's got a great, uh, handle, like great control on the ball.

I thought he was going to lose it a couple times this game.

Just kind of doing some weird shit and traffic, um, and he really didn't, um, they said

the injury, he is better than the healthy, that's terrible.

Um, so yeah, so you have that up top, um, and then you got guys like, you know, trusting

the silver in the middle and, and then that's at six nine at six nine right then their

front court, freaking, hello, Wendell, and, uh, who the, who is that other boy?

And, and whichever of the Wagner's at any time, like they are just, you know, so, so well

built.

Um, and I used the good, a good word, I would call them Rangie.

Um, they are not only strong, you can be strong and be immobile, you can be strong and

be unethylatic, you can be strong and be clunky and, you know, all of those types of things.

And they are, none of those things at all, they are strong, they're athletic, they are

agile.

Um, there were a couple, like they were flying around defensively, uh, witty thrower said,

we need Wiggins back, what a, what a, what a place to have found yourself.

And that's no shade to big wig, but like, you know, the consensus was pretty mixed

on my guy for, you know, a good chunk of his time with us, but, um, you know, he probably

would have felt just, I don't know, maybe just a little more size in our wings, but even

with that, like, at most we, and this has been one of my problems with Miami's addressing

of size for a few years now, we either, we get size in, in one direction, we don't have

any vectors of size really vectors, like we, we, we're either long or strong ish, right,

we're never really long and strong, we're never really like tall and, you know, solid.

Kaleo is, you know, the size of my pinky long as a bitch, uh, and we've kind of just

cycled guy when PJ was here, not long, but strong as hell, we playing this guy at the

four.

I've watched a Pella and Debian get switched out on Palo and the block just over and

over, they were just abusing us and, and, and posting those guys and they extended, and

they extended post and it was just easy shit.

One day we'll add a power forward to the roster one day, I don't know, I mean, I don't

know how I fit, that is insane, my power just go off, that's nuts.

I don't even know what to do.

My light is still here.

I'm still here.

I don't think he's going, um, you know, one day they will, I don't know, Bams here,

but that's, you know, I don't know what that is with that.

It's just Orlando is, it's so well built, they're really physical, Jamal mostly is a great

coach.

Um, I think this guy Carlos, I don't know, it, it might be a sign like I might stop the

show.

We're here.

I got my laptop in charge, my, this light is on, um, yeah.

And then like, so perimeter defense, right, our POA defense up top, it's, it's tough.

It's good.

It's weird because I feel there were multiple efforts to try to make, to, to contain them.

And then they would, and a lot of it was late clock stuff like Orlando, they would play,

you know, string a good defensive stand for 20, close to 20 seconds.

And it would reset the clock to 14 because somebody can get the loose rebound or somebody

who mucks out or like good defense and you finish possessions with defensive rebounds.

Right.

And so we've talked about this, especially when it's a thousand times about when you

don't rebound the ball, you're going to give a good team, yes, more, more opportunities

to, to strike.

And I am confused as to why we aren't, what's going on with the boxing now?

I think that's what got lost me all night.

They were outrebounded by 12 at one point during the game, they in the fourth.

And a lot of that is just box that held out like that's a fundamental, not, it's not

a pretty.

Right.

It's not a pretty, you know, aspect of the work, is there any work?

But as, as, as Kauai, I'm going to say it again, word man, word man, it's prayed, word

man, it's prayed.

You have to rebound the ball or you're going to give, and you can't do that.

If you say, this is zooming out a little bit to use your phrase to zoom out a little bit.

If you are saying that you are playing for something, rebounding should not be an issue.

That should be, that should be an outlier of things, but they've had nights where they

just get out rebounding, that cannot be the case.

So when you play a team that's big like Orlando and does score, you know, you're, and they

get a couple, they've had four cracks at them.

They just came and said, you know what, we don't take you to lunch money.

We took it four times before, and just dump it out a little bit more.

And so, you know, late in the game, they, they started to really play with physicality.

I really didn't like that.

It took so long for them to really get into, hey, we need to make Orlando feel as, as much

as they're making less feel than, and I think this, I don't know if this helps us

that way a little bit, but I like our offense when either with a norm or Tyler are in the

game separate from each other.

They giving some scoring balance, and I, and from, on the scientific side, I understand

why Spowe would play both three point shooters.

I get it.

The volume, having to guard both, I get that.

The problem is, on the other end of the floor, Swiss cheese, food, it's a meal.

Every offensive player on Orlando said, this is food, I see Tyler, food, I see norm,

food too.

Like, you cannot have a guy who gives you scoring on the other end, and then allows scoring

on the, on the backside on the defense side.

So, to me, there's, there's, there's got to be some balance.

I feel like you need to separate him, whoever starts does not matter to me.

This still is not a championship roster to me, so there should be any ego, whoever is

coming off the bench, settle the bench down with your offensive scoring.

Tyler had a rough night, some of that, that size bothered him a little bit, but he really

just wasn't in any rhythm for whatever reason.

And couldn't get the floaters going, couldn't catch the ball cleanly, which is credit to Orlando's

defense, but he didn't get any flow at all, just could not get into a rhythm.

And so, to me, that's part, not, not squaring this on him losing the game, but not having,

if he had scored a couple, maybe two of those threes he missed, maybe a couple or more

of those floaters.

That's a difference in the game.

When you're able to make those shots and Orlando really slowed the pace down, which is

opposite of how the heat won a play, so Tyler really just didn't get into a flow at all.

Yeah, it's, so we have this, the, the, a quote from Spowe on Norm coming off the bench,

he said, he'll play a lot of minutes, Tyler will play a lot of minutes.

Right now, we need to focus on winning games, what we'll do each game.

I don't know at this point.

And I'm with you and that offensively, you know, it would just, it would feel that it

would make sense.

You have this motion, you have this activity, you can swing, you can go east, west, you

can, you know, rip and go, you can do all these things in theory.

I think a little side note, personally, sometimes I think Tyler is going to sound crazy.

I think Tyler stops the ball a little bit and doesn't take some of the shots that he

could take.

So like we're getting people in rotation, people are closing out are, and I'm fine.

I love it.

I love the fake.

I love this good fake.

Keep the foot on the ground and kind of, you know, maybe get a dribble pull up or whatever

else.

Sometimes he feels, it's a little, it's just a little like momentum, stoppy, a little

energy, syphony, but yeah, defensively, it's just, it's, like you say, it's food and

and we're small and there's, there's so much spoke and do.

He ran a lineup today that was four guards in Kaleil.

It was Cass, Jaime, Pella, Norm and Kaleil.

And offensively, they got some okay stuff.

I'm really happy with the success.

Jaime's been able to have a shot that guy out tonight.

Jaime finished.

What do Jaime look like tonight?

22.

22 big ones.

Yeah, like I'm 22.7 assists.

Yep.

Thank you.

And to piggyback, what I've liked is if you're not going to, if you're not going to put Tyler

or Norm bench, right, like, and he has norms, but that's, that's one game.

What I love is that it does not matter, and I think that's something you read has been

like beating the drum on is the Jaime highway, the physicality, the drive, like his full head

of steam, his range of moves that he's going to, he's going to get to.

And for the most part, even if he does not beat that man off the dribble, he gets off

the ball.

And even if he's going to get it back, he relocates to a different spot to get a different

angle.

And so a lot of that is just the game started to slow down for him a little bit where it's

like, Hey, I, okay, so I, I used to counter that counter didn't work.

Let me get off the ball and figure out if I can get the ball back.

He's added a little bit of the three.

Those didn't go down the night, but that's just, that's just the flow of a game.

But a lot of his points came at them at the, on the drive with, with force in control.

I love.

I personally think a few heat players on his team could, could use a little bit of what

he uses in his arsenal of the glass, just use the glass.

Yeah.

100.

It is your friend.

You know, be soft about it.

There's a, there's a technique in a, in a mechanics that's needed to use it.

Like it, I've liked his defense for the most part and just being able to play a mob, with

mobility and, and move his feet well, and also to, to be able to use his, his, his strength

in size, he's not the most powerful looking guy from the, from the physics, the physicality

perspective.

Like you, you wouldn't say, oh, he's imposing.

But when he's had to switch on the bigs, um, he has held his own for the most part.

Um, it's worth says it's, it's all, all that switching the first option with, here's,

here's my thing with that.

You can get away with switching when you have the personnel to do it.

Right.

If, if, if you have a guard or two in the lineup, and, and, and this is not a knock on

Davey on, but they, they forced the switch, and I've, I conceded the switch a few times

where Bam ended up on somebody else, yep.

And instead of guarding Paul, which I think was a little bit of a wrinkle in the game.

And again, I love Davey on his energy.

I love the way that he plays.

I like the pace, like his organization of the, of the, the squad while he's out there.

But you are limited with the amount of switching you can do when he's out there.

And so to me, there should be something that says, Hey, we're not switching.

Davey on can hold his man, we don't need to switch.

Uh, and we're not going to concede the switch because there's likely an advantage there.

So we're going to, we're going to continue like.

I guess the best way to put it, I won't, you know, I'll, and here, uh, Davey on will fight

over screens.

Yeah.

Just fight over.

I would love to see somebody, a lot of the other guys fight over, just fight over, fight

over.

Make, make them feel you in the way that Davey on does it so that you don't give up

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No, you were, um, wait, what happened?

Why'd you start left?

Hmm?

I thought you started laughing.

Um, how many broke his two game street go game block by the room?

Two, okay, so I wanted to go back just a little bit.

We were talking about free throw.

I'm not free throws rebounding from tonight.

Um, so we were out rebounded by I think 17, right?

And I'm looking at the defensive rebounds by quarter.

Yeah.

We had two total defensive rebounds in the first quarter.

And Orlando missed nine shots.

I just, you know, I don't, I did I find that right?

Yeah.

Orlando missed more than two shots in the first quarter.

And you know, we get our rebranded by 17.

Um, you know, we talked about the size, the activity.

Uh, it's, it's, it's, it wears.

That's the thing, too, when you have like real size like that,

when you have legitimate, um, physically imposing bodies,

that can just do it time and time and time and time again.

And she wears, but, you know, we're, you know, the most

conditioned hardest tough is the blah, blah, you know, all of that.

Um, I'm, I'm super with you on some of the switching.

I'm trying to pull a clip right now of, um, where it's tall,

but he's not physical at this point in his career.

100%.

He does, he's not, he's not, uh, yeah.

He's not open up yet to, to be, to be physical in that way.

Um, you know, third year, third year wear is likely a different

physical guy.

I think he's in the gym all summer and is like more filled out.

Yeah, because to be fair, to be, to be fair to him, he, um,

he, he, he put some on, like you can see that he has, you know,

but he, he has the type of frame that, um, it's probably not going to

bulk much, but it'll, it'll be like a tensile strength, like lean muscle.

He can just like build and kind of, kind of densify, you know,

like just being lean that way.

And you know, I get stronger in his hips. Um,

and for that core area, yeah, for sure.

I, um, where is this one?

I want to, okay.

So, so yes to that, yes to some of the, some of the switching stuff.

I want to throw this one up here right now.

So it's at the, I think this is in the third, right?

They had been picking on the, the Davian switches.

They have been picking on, um, kind of the Pella switches at certain spots on

the floor.

And I know Pella is, Pella's a dog and, you know, he's going to get after it.

Um,

and he can guard effectively one through three, four, three and a half, right?

But like, again, at some point, Pella was Pella, Pella's huge and, you know,

as a mismatch.

So one of these plays in the third, um, right here, right here is the Davianne

and, uh, and, and Bam and his defensive two man, boom.

Screen, get the switch.

And so now, so earlier in the game, Bam had kind of just been off with his,

like, you know, taking, taking the switch and kind of going about his business

a little bit.

And that's how we were getting the two of them, uh, Davianne and Pella,

again, getting posted up here, started the third, Bam brings the double kind

of immediately gets it out of his hands.

And then you'll see Tyler rotate over, you'll see Kaleil push up,

you'll see Pella push up over there.

And then you'll see Davianne, um, close out to the corner, good block.

Um, and so, you know, things, but yes, you know, we, we, they, they poke that,

um, they poke that, that, that match up for, for a good little bit.

Can you run that back on if you want?

Oh, actually, just, you know, let me put that back for you.

There's a little, there's something that I know, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, all right.

So run it right as they're getting ready to switch.

Okay.

It comes right, it comes like right after.

So right here.

Okay.

So this for me is, is, and, uh, I have not coached, but, um, just as somebody

who, like, is engrossed in the mesh, who's, they, they're certain things,

especially defensively, isn't somebody who is a garden, just focused on defense.

And little things like this that bother me.

Okay.

So Bane sets the screen, physical guy, bulky, yes, cool, fine.

But to me, you discard him and you force them to have to run it back because

run it just a, maybe two seconds.

Okay.

Right here.

This to me is time to switch because nobody's in a good position.

I know it's like a quick thing.

But to me, Bane and Davey on, like, so for me, to me, Bane either comes like right

in the middle to kind of force, like, force the switch back and Davey on goes the

other way to kind of make sure that this switch doesn't happen.

And there's not an advantage.

You say, maybe on goals under Bane, Bane comes over top of Davey on, like,

between Paolo and Davey on the right, like, so he comes up and kind of puts

himself in the middle between Bane and Paolo.

And so now Davey on just goes up because now you're, you're going, it's,

it's hard to explain it, but I can see it.

It your family's coming forward to kind of give himself, like,

credence between the two of them to make the catch and the past heart.

Because obviously they're trying to two man game it.

And so Davey on is going up and around to meet Bane.

And so that there's not a clear line to the basket.

Little things like that to help not concede mismatches.

And then, of course, I love Tyler.

I like his effort, but stay on your man, stay over there.

I would love to say, like him coming to get Bane is good,

but you still have a to be enough of a defender in these two to make it work.

Because yeah, they trapped, but I think, but I think Bane is,

is, is fast enough to get back to the spot to stop Bane.

He's all the way out there with no catch.

To me, it was so much advantage.

Because either now it's everyone is out of position.

But that's how you think too much.

So you got to rotate.

And so until you're so bringing it back, some, so, so the switching bits,

they probably,

it probably should have happened.

The problem is you worry about Desmond slipping.

And then if you do it, kind of, if you jump switch,

if you scrum switch it right here, you worry about giving Palo the baseline drive

or like just a right hand drive.

Yeah. Yeah.

And then you're pulling Kaleil windows right here, you're pulling Palo.

And then you, you just pull it from the bottom side rather than the top.

But yeah, you know, you're, I'm with you.

But I, it was them trying to adjust as at least all that I'm trying to get at.

Because it was, it was a little bit of a, of a,

like they were, they got a good amount of kind of what they wanted.

I'm picking at some of the stuff though.

I do want to talk about how Miami,

the, the zone, kind of the last.

So, so let's do, let's do this Orlando defense clip real quick.

This is some of, like I said, Orlando flying around a little bit,

just being pretty well maintained.

Also, like the way that they, it, it's hard to explain.

Most time when you're off ball defensively, it's, you know,

C man, C ball, but it's chest to baseline, chest or back to other baseline.

I appreciate that, or Lando does something that I play around with kind of just in my own day to day.

And they, it's tilted, but it's tilted with respect, like the off ball.

Whoever this is this wonder, whoever, or a palo, whoever this is at the,

um, near the top of the free throw circle is,

it's tilted with respect to where the ball is.

In a way that some systems don't teach, but it makes recovering.

And it makes recovering easier, a little bit quicker and the amount of attention.

Or the type of attention feels different.

If, if I am chest facing you, um,

you might feel a little more hesitant than if I am chest facing somewhere else,

but my head is.

It does.

Um, so bam, so this is digging.

Everyone, like this is, this is a lot of size.

They showed basically for here.

Yeah, playing off of norm, playing off of palo, and this was kind of semi transition.

So their defense had gotten back kind of before we filled in offensively.

Um, but just live closing out.

Everybody gets back out.

They don't over rotate.

They don't close out super hard.

Close out with enough of a cushion.

They beyond you want to shoot it.

I'm fine with you shooting that.

But I have a cushion.

I have one here.

I got another there.

And I got a third to your left.

If you want to put it on the floor, you think you, you're, you're going to go ahead and drive.

Um, you can maybe think again, put that one back up, put that coming back up,

because I kind of just touched on that.

Uh, I think their principles to stop the drive, where it's lurking on that play.

I think giving that switch in the empty corner was actually part of the plan.

Oh, you're talking about Miami.

I'm with you.

Um, but yet here.

Like good defense, good close out.

Tough pass.

Again, being long, you have to pass over that.

Maybe on little, these motherfuckers is tall.

So it's, it's extra imbalance.

I got to get this, you know, over that.

And get to find around and stuff.

Um, I just.

It was, it was, it was a solid bit to, to contend with.

Um, you have anything else for, I wanted, like I said, talk a little bit about how they switched it up some in the fourth.

When they went on that run.

Okay.

Straight to the others that I guess you could say is a matchup zone really like they switched in and out.

I like to call it an, um, an amoeba defense a little bit.

They kind of showed a little bit more of that this year.

I'm having more guys who have the ability to switch.

Others will call it just a matchup zone where you are going to.

If you're a matchup with your man and if you do switch, you want to get the best defensive look out of your matchup.

So we can get straight to that.

I think, I think it changed the game for them.

Yeah.

So you call amoeba.

Amoeba is a, is a great way to call it.

I had a coach call it in amoeba defense when I was younger.

Um, I call it kind of just in a morph zone.

But yeah, matchup.

Like if you are, we are.

If we're blind with our priority and we are learning how to play and show,

how do they want their target to be.

I like effective examples of story.

We are guarding our zones.

Um, but should different people flow in and out of those zones, you know,

we are.

Match to a degree, but we are still paying heavy respect to the zone is the primary.

Yeah, okay, so let's go two, three, four.

My bad part audience, I've had to do better

about like describing clips for you guys.

Oh, yep, turn that sound off.

So early in, oh wait, which one is this one?

Go, oh wait, go four for me, please.

That should be the first one from the fourth quarter.

Yep, starting the fourth quarter.

So, they're in kind of this zone

and I can't even, I want to say it's a one, three, one.

It goes from looking like a one, three, one.

It'll look like a one, two, two.

At some bits, it looked like a two, two, one here.

It's kind of showing itself as a little bit

of this one, three, one.

Jaime comes out, they pull one out of the middle,

offense cycles through.

And they, they, their activity, but then backside.

And that's kind of always what happens.

They bring the top in, they bring the middle out,

they play with their forwards in the back

when once the ball gets in the middle.

And it's in between switches of the top two guards,

face the basket.

And you know, you might, that's tough.

That's the testament took a little being back there

and being long, but like I said, starting the fourth,

they went into kind of some of the zone stuff.

I'm just letting it go through one more time.

And with being small, they've got to be feisty.

They've got to be active.

They've got to be like a team of ankle biters.

Right.

Right, you don't got too many big dogs out of here,

but we got, you know, a bunch that will irritate

the shit out of you.

And you know, go ahead and go to two.

And then this is like some within like the last five minutes

or the same thing into into the zone.

And they were just, they were able to get deflections.

They got steals.

They created chaos.

They created a sense of disruption

that it didn't really feel like Orlando felt, you know,

most of the game.

Now they've got the zones kind of pulled out a little bit.

Looks like a one, two, two.

You see, again, it's kind of zone principles,

but in what looks like a one up, you know,

a one-to-one matchup, Norm, Garin, Desmond here,

but not pressing them, like in his cushion.

It gives, it goes to that analogy of having the tentacles, right?

Like you, the octopus aspect,

that's what the zone is supposed to feel like.

Each of them respectively being able to match up with

and kind of meet the ball where it is.

This ended up in a, in a, in a, in a dunk, unfortunately,

but that's a great screen.

This is a screen against the zone, great hammer.

And then that person fights out to get not caught

by the screen and then you open that dump off.

Now, now, and I'm going, I'm going to pick on him

the way I picked on Tyler.

Can you run that back on that, that screen?

Yeah, it makes me angry.

So, inside of that.

So right here, De Silva's already made the decision

to come down and all you, and what,

and part of that offensively is to get your,

to get the defender to commit.

Oh, I'm moving.

Not that he has to be doing anything with his movement,

but he knows he, he has a defender.

Tyler is like this.

You cannot, you cannot defend the ball.

He's trying to be active.

He's trying to, to play with his arms.

But his back is turning.

So he's kind of a little bit out of position, right?

So you can roll a little bit more.

So now, Pelin commits, which is great.

But then Tristan sets this, this brush, this quick,

like it's a really, I don't think,

I don't think it's a slip screen,

but it really is like quick.

It's, it's not long.

It's not like a forced thing.

He knows two things.

Now he's holding it, he's holding it.

He's held it for, it's solid.

Like it's, it's a solid screen.

Go ahead.

Now that, now right there, can we just run it back up?

Okay, this goes back to my earlier point.

You cannot have two guys,

earning their backs to the,

Norm does an entire 360

and loses to Silva off the screen.

So now Bam has to do what he always has to do,

is everything by himself the best, if we,

so now he's having to come in,

but the pass is already here.

Shout out to Paul for making me able to make the pass.

And so Norm ends up, you can roll it.

And you know what else this is?

Go ahead, Norm ends up complete.

Like he doesn't stay, like he's,

it's for whatever reason, it doesn't click.

Does Silva setting this screen to get himself open,

not to get someone else open alone?

Bane, yes, it's open in the corner.

But these two guys, right, are so far,

oh, Bam's God is God, it's good.

Norm and his didn't know where it's land.

And Tyler is also in Norris land.

So even if the ball sprayed out to Bane,

who's getting out there?

And so that's what it is, you know that.

And this is Tyler and,

this is Tyler and Norm miscommunicating.

So this has to be Tyler, so like,

so how it originally is, the original shape matters some.

Okay, so originally this is,

like the corner is Tyler's coverage.

Right.

And so as things happen, as things go,

Norm's playing, Norm's playing the drive.

So that's another thing, part of like some matchup zone stuff.

If the ball moves on the pass,

it's easy to kind of stay with your respective zones.

On the ball moves on the dribble, you have to show,

you have to keep a body, you know, with a ball.

So Tyler's original area is that corner.

So ball gets on the move.

We get it out and so groomed.

So at this screen, Tyler sees that Norm,

Tyler sees that Norm is caught.

But again, that is not Norm's coverage.

Desmond in the corner is Tyler.

So Tyler can say to Norm, I got the corner,

without knowing that and Norm doesn't see Tyler behind him.

And so without Tyler, like, hey, I got the corner,

Norm knows he's being screened to get the pass to the corner.

So yes, naturally, I'm trying to recover, get out of there

because I don't know that anybody else is out there.

Right.

And now the both of them go there,

because there's no opposition.

And now you have that.

And then do the last one.

And then we can, I'll be done with clips.

Yeah, I just, same, similar thing.

Similar setup.

This one looks like a one, two, two, with bam, high.

Now you got bam, clueless, same lane line side.

And they're just moving.

It's see, why?

Why, what point?

Both of them to the ball.

I don't understand where Tyler is closing out.

And you know what's funny about this, that bond?

What makes me so upset about this?

Is it still being able to contain Sugs?

Tyler basically screams bam.

Oh, my God.

And this could have, and I was just saying,

and Craig is right, you rarely see the slip out of the hammer.

I don't know if you rarely see it.

I feel like it's rarely as open a slip is that one.

So here, Tyler to the middle, Tyler has to get back here.

Norm stunts, gets back to his pedal on ball.

So, one of them should short close,

and the other should just go to the corner anyway.

And I almost want to say, yeah, Tyler should just take the corner.

It's tough for bam to like short close here

and then change the direction he's running

to kind of get back to the corner.

But stuff like this, like you just,

these things can't happen, easy whip.

To the corner, bang bang.

I just, yeah.

It just, and these, and the clips, I guess,

might not show it that way.

But like I said, when they went to some of the zone at the end,

they were making runs and they were kind of getting some stops.

But there were, you know, obviously still,

still some holes and things.

Chad, howdy, howdy.

Gotta give Tyler credit, that is good, deep in some, man.

Very deep in some, man.

Coach Spowe, coming in here, guys.

Coach Spowe on Norman Powell coming off the bench.

Quote, he'll play a lot of minutes.

Tyler will play a lot of minutes.

Right now, we need to focus on winning games.

What will do each game?

I don't know at this point.

Yeah, I read that one earlier.

And, but I'm actually not mad at that.

I am, we get, you know, starting line of consistency,

da da da da da da da da da da da da.

Match up depending, do what you feel like you need to do

with regard to Tyler Norm kind of up there in that start.

Let's see what else and we're gonna go ahead

and kind of wrap this up a little bit.

Rotations to see for Spowe.

How'd you feel about, how'd you feel about Spowe's

overall rotations tonight?

Because like I said, he had that one stretch

where it was four guards in Kaleil.

And I saw it for some of it,

but I didn't really see it for some of it also.

All right.

My eyes twitching, I hate three guard line ups.

Don't love it.

Don't love it.

Unless your guard is cade sized, that's different.

When your guard is, there are no guards that are cade sized.

You should not be running three guard line ups.

However, Spowe did it anyway.

I guess to shake loose or have whatever.

Wasn't I just gonna come in real quick?

I just wanted to come in with Norman Powell quote.

This is Coach Spowe about Roland Powell.

I thought that five second call was BS.

Eric Spostro also said he believed

that late game five second call was quick.

Oh yeah, and I said we were gonna get on the ropes

earlier and we skipped right over that.

You know what?

I'm gonna switch to that anyway.

Rock out, Kyle.

All right.

I have some problems with the way this all played out.

Well, floor flat.

I'm on point, Kyle, the ISO.

So what made me annoyed was and to give some credence

to the audience who maybe didn't watch the game,

the ref that caused this five second call

got into it with Spowe earlier in the game.

So from then on, he decided to be a prom douchebag.

The worst time you can imagine.

Instead of calling the game and getting out his damn feelings

and doing his damn job instead, he decided to be an ass.

So last work, the heat of made a run,

they made this game close and this man counted to five

like a kid playing hide and go seek

and trying to catch the kids run into their hiding spots.

One, two, three, four, five.

No one Mississippi, no two, no.

Absolutely insane.

And so it gets the ball in,

and he calls the five second call,

flipped out a few moments later,

Orlando has another ref,

they're trying to throw the ball in the Miami heater,

trying to get to the steel and it's one Mississippi,

two Mississippi, three, maybe four.

And so now Vaughn is able to walk out on the floor.

The same thing that this ref yell that Spowe for earlier

in the game and call a timeout.

That's all I do.

I don't understand why we can't have balanced off officiating.

Then I'm not blaming on either side.

I'm just saying that you've got to be balanced

in your ability to officiate a game.

You control the flow, you control the outcome of the game

and you need to allow the game to play itself out.

Instead, this man decided to make it all about himself.

And so I'm annoyed that we even had to make this

about the damn rest.

The otherwise good game was completely,

totally wrapped up in refereed.

I hate talking about these men in the gray jersey.

I don't want to talk about them.

Who your job called,

a thousand there are some called the five second calls,

called Travels, do what you're supposed to do.

Do I get it that it's a hard job to be officiating?

Yes, yes it is.

But then if you get paid to do it,

I don't,

why shouldn't we do a good job for you?

I ain't never seen Spowe so angry in a long,

it's been a while.

Literally pissed.

I thought he was gonna fight the ref.

He didn't even shake hands with any.

You're about to fight the ref.

We fucked the court.

Like who was off of it?

I don't understand.

And so to me,

I'm not gonna go into any conspiracy series.

I'm not, I'm not doing no that.

But to me,

you cannot make bad calls.

Two times you need,

you need to make the same call on the both ends.

Yeah, you got to balance the call.

So thinking of balancing the call,

bam on the poor officiating quote,

what's frustrating is because we get fined

if we say something about it,

but that altered the game.

When you alter the game,

you should have to stand on that

because when we mess up,

all hell breaks loose on us.

They affect the game where sometimes

they do have an effect

and get to go home and sleep peacefully end quote.

Yeah.

Say, I have nothing else to say.

Norm said,

I thought it was BS.

It was too fast.

We couldn't even get through our first two actions

before they called it.

Yeah.

Quickly before we get to do what?

Both of you Kyle first in Omar.

Kyle hero,

scoreless in the fourth.

Something to be concerned about on a scale of want to 10,

what's your level of concern?

If at all coming back off,

if there is some concern, why?

Back off of injury.

Finding rhythm is going to be a little bit more

is going to be an aspect that is just going to be flow.

You need to get into a rhythm.

Tyler is a rhythm guy.

And so without being able to do some of that,

again, I do credit.

Yes.

The Orlando Magic for just making it difficult

for him to feel comfortable.

They're not supposed to let him.

Right.

But he did not match the physicality of the game.

And so when you don't match the physicality of the game,

you don't get a feel for what the physicality is

and then playing into it.

Be able to kind of feel your way into the game.

And so a lot of his shots that would be shots that

are good shots for him,

even the transition ones,

were very much just out of rhythm.

So I'm a little concerned because as the gentleman behind me

loves to say,

fourth order is winning time.

Yes.

It's winning time.

It is.

So I am not concerned at all.

What's interesting is when Tyler Hero comes back

from his note carton situations,

he normally comes back like at 100%.

He rarely takes rhythm games.

So to me, this is more of like,

even if he didn't have all that time off,

this just felt like,

just like one of those nights where he just doesn't have it.

And for whatever reason,

I'm like, my concern level is at zero for Tyler.

It's a little bit more like a nine for Norman.

And I will get to why during D Watts,

if you guys are ready to get into that.

Take me two there, Omar.

All right.

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Do you work on that shot?

Yeah, no.

We're gonna set it up there.

No.

Oh my goodness, valentine!

No!

How do you have a set this time?

Looking for staff?

Now Dremons got it.

Why did you do that?

Dremons?

Are you working on that stuff?

Yeah!

Oh!

I'm in it!

It's Cody Larkin!

You got a hand!

No!

Step back one leg in lineups.

Don't go any out of it!

What is he doing?

What kind of strategy?

What's he doing?

What is he doing?

What is he doing?

What is he doing?

What is he doing?

Step back one leg in lineups.

Step back one leg in lineups.

What is he doing?

What is he doing?

No, why did you do that for?

That's my bad.

All right.

All right.

Let me get to, uh,

let me get some of these robots.

Oh, shit tonight.

So the first one we have is right with what I was saying

a few seconds ago.

So we're going to start right here.

Norman gets the ball.

And the reason I'm at it this shot is because...

Norman does not pass the ball.

I feel like this is an epiphany that hit me today

and today only, but the entire time,

this is when the game started to get out of hand.

Like you're down 10.

There's like 14 seconds on the shot clock.

And no one has a rhythm.

It's the end of the first.

And literally what you're doing,

even though you're clearly like cold,

you're not working the offense at all,

you just get the ball right.

Do you work on this in practice?

What are you doing with a hand right in your face?

Sorry.

That's our first one.

Do you think you can do that?

One double pull up.

You know, he tends to get fouled on those.

A lot of these are vibe based, by the way.

You know, just in terms of like the game,

the vibe of the game, right?

So this is in the second half,

or a second quarter.

We're still down a lot.

Norm, again, does not have it going.

Do you, what is this right here?

Just like, there's still plenty.

It's like just, that's not a good shot to get off.

Do you think he works on that in practice?

Yes.

All right.

I am incorrect.

Yes.

Is it time?

Was it the time for him to do that?

No.

That's I guess what that is.

Is it that time for that shot?

Is what this one should have been called?

All right, let's go to number three here.

So this is a Tristan De Silva.

I just thought this was funny.

It was tough to find really crazy ones today,

but I just like the way that it bounced off the rim.

So there you go.

And then our fourth and final one, this one's

not our fourth and final one, but this one is going

to be called, do you work on that flop?

Is not a shot.

So right here, this is a start of the fourth quarter.

We have Kaleil Ware gets called for an offensive foul.

But if you look on the replay,

we were talking about Kaleil's frame.

And Mo Voguener has been eating sausages

and like like mashed potatoes his entire life.

Look at this replay.

Look how much he just flops.

It looks bad because he's literally just going like this

and it's like, oh my god, he works on,

do you think, well, let me ask you guys,

does he work on that flop?

He might.

He might.

And he's also a psycho path,

but that's another day's complicacy.

Hello, gave him some shoulder

and gave him some, gave him some arms in the push.

So, and here we go.

We have a classic step back, one legate from Kaleil.

And this one, love that.

I'm in concerns.

I didn't play it.

It didn't play smoothly for me.

I missed the shot.

I lost it some side step.

Yeah, opposite side of the room.

That's crazy.

Do you look at, yeah, Pele, come get this, Pele,

come get this, oh, my god, Jesus, security.

I step one legate.

You're my amy meat.

Go ahead Omar.

That's what I was going to say.

That is today's segments, a Viby edition

of do you work on that shot?

A Viby edition.

We appreciate you and your vibes and your efforts.

You're my amy.

He are in action next win.

Let me see.

Let me see.

Wait.

Oh, my ESPN app is being stupid.

So, don't ask me, I just gave,

it's just something we played the magic again

for the next five games.

So.

I hope to God now.

That's not it.

Trommel.

Tuesday and Charlotte.

Tuesday and Charlotte.

That should be fun.

Thank you, Lenny Lester, or letting us know.

Shout out Lenny, appreciate you.

That's what I'm talking about.

No, and LA will be in town on the 19.

Should, should I also be in town?

Why not?

I don't think I can.

I can't afford a plane ticket that short notice.

We are currently.

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And we are going to go ahead and wrap up and get up out here.

We will see you guys Tuesday and Charlotte.

Y'all be well, have a good weekend.

What's left of it?

Be kind to one another.

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