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About this Episode
Martin Willis welcomes Jeff Selver to discuss experiences that Jeff says began in adolescence and continued over many years. In this interview, Jeff recounts alleged encounters with Grey beings, memory suppression, regression sessions, unusual physical marks, and what he believes was a broader contact process connected to consciousness and spirituality. The conversation explores experiencer testimony, possible links between UFO encounters and altered states, the role of belief and interpretation, and Jeff’s view that the phenomenon may involve dimensions or realities not yet understood by science.
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Hello and welcome to the show.
I'm Martin Willis your host and happy St. Patrick's Day.
And why is my screen blue and not green because I was messing around before the show.
And I can't change it.
So I can't even change it back to normal to have my normal background.
But that's okay.
It's not a bad color.
I like it.
So just a couple of things who are guests tonight is Jeff Selver.
I'm really looking forward to speaking to him.
And this coming weekend, he's going to be out at UFO con which I was at last year and
spoke at last year.
And so, you know, it's a, I don't know if they do any live streaming from there or not.
I'm not really sure.
But that's if you ever get a chance to go up to Northern California about this time of
year every year, it's a, it's a great little conference up there.
So the blog this week by Charles Lear is silver suited humanoid reports.
This goes back.
As you know, he's a Charles Lear.
If you've been paying attention to the show for over the years, he is a history buff when
it comes to UFO.
So he does a lot of research.
And this is back in 1973 and there were also reports back in 1977.
So he reports on all that in this week's blog.
That's over at podcast UFO dot com.
Thank you all for being here.
Thank you.
Someone said the blue looks good.
But yeah, I did try to switch it to green for St Patrick's Day.
It just didn't happen.
But that's the way it is.
So I'm looking forward to my guess just before I forget next week, I have Jay Hammond
on.
Now, Jay Hammond is a prerecord because I'm going to be away from all phone service and
cell service and everything next week.
However, the show is pre-recorded.
It's going to premiere at the same time next week.
A premiere means you just have to find it on my channel and it will pop up at the right
time the same time and you can be in chat and participate in chat just like you always
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So next week again, Jay Hammond same time, but it's a premiere and I hope you get in there.
I'm going to be away from phone.
I will not be participating, but I hope you are in chat.
And I know that a dispatch center, he's always going to be there.
He'll be there as in many people that are the regulars, the usual suspects as they say.
One quick little thing housekeeping here is, and I know Christopher, you're in chat and
you really liked the vertical view, the cell phone view.
I had many more complaints than people that liked it.
So I decided that we are not going to run the vertical view any longer just with all
the complaints I had on it.
People not finding the right stream and all that and getting frustrated.
So I am, oh, Monica, welcome, good to see you.
So here we go.
Welcome, Jeff.
Nice to have you.
Yeah.
Thanks, Martin.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, it's good to see you.
And Jeff, you have a long history of things been happening all the way back.
Well, I say long, but relatively long, 1997, you had something, is that when things began
with you?
That's when things began for, yeah, you could say that's where the weird beginning of the
weird.
Yeah, you could call it that with high strangeness, yeah.
And I always like to ask people ahead of time, did you ever have any, you know, interest
in the topic of UFOs, et cetera, ahead of time?
Yeah.
So as a kid, I watched unsolved mysteries, yeah, and then, you know, those kind of books
of the strange, Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot type stuff, yeah.
And that just transmuted to, you know, 16 years old.
I really wanted to learn more about aliens, actually, and a girlfriend at the time referred
me to Whitley Strieber's communion.
That was in 1993, and so I read that, and that actually spawned a contact event behind
my life, and at the time, I didn't know it.
And so that was it.
That was the three books, I think you had three transfer, communion, I think transfer
information was another, and there was a third, and then that was the end of it.
And yeah, I was into more spiritual content for a period of my life while I was traveling,
having weird events happen to me.
And then that was it.
I was a musician, and then I grew up as an adult, and I stopped focusing on all these topics
until it all unraveled from me in 2019, yeah.
I should do a survey of how many people that I have as guests that are musicians, because
it's like there's so many of them.
I don't know if there's any relation to that, but I did a pre-record with Jay next week.
He's a musician, songwriter, but constantly, almost all my guests have some type of musical
interest or are musicians of one kind or another.
Yeah, I think it made me think that.
Yeah, yeah, it's right brain instead of a, I think you can't be too analytical about
this content, not to say that when you're looking back at it, but when you're going through
it, I think that you need to have a bit of that feeling of surrender that you have in
the creative role, when you got a song to play, you got that creative thing going on, you
have kind of an internal surrender that you kind of learn to let go of, that the maybe
more analytical people don't know how to do, and I think there's something like that.
I think there's handling the abstract and all those kind of ideas that make you, that
are predispositions for, or, yeah, alien contact, believe it or not, I believe it.
Yeah, and also artists, I should say that you're right.
Artists as well, not just, so, yeah, I agree with this, yeah, 100%.
Yeah, how about that?
So, you know, they used to call it abductions, or now they can say, experienced, or things
like that.
So right off the bat, when your first encounter happened, is that what you, did you know
what was happening, or did you just, was this a big puzzle in the beginning for you?
So my whole story here is that a lot of the contact was obscured from, so there really
was like two people, me, the guy who was living out his normal life, and then the guy actually
having contact.
And though the contact was influencing or impacting the other guy, the other guy would
never know about it until many, many a year later.
And so when it was happening, the aliens actually framed it that I was one of theirs.
So it had a much more relational thing going on.
They said I had their DNA, they called me one of theirs, and even when I was a child,
all the memories came out, yeah, they're saying you are our children, and I was with other
children at the time.
So yeah, then when they were showing up, you're not framing it as abduction, and yeah, you're
not really framing it, you're just framing it as relational.
So they're showing up again, kind of idea.
And yeah, and they always, it was happening in a way that you didn't have a lot of time
to self-reflect.
And once they showed up, they're busy, you're busy and they're busy, and they're there
to get something, or there's an exchange, or there's information, or something is happening.
But yeah, I did reflect it, I did call it an abduction, but it didn't, for having no better
words when I was 20 years old, and this was happening to me, there was a period where
I called it an abduction, but it's not, like, all these years later, you're like, no,
that's not an abduction.
I think an abduction is being taken against your will.
And there was no experience of, there was some rough periods, but in general, I was never
being taken against my will.
Yeah.
Are you saying that you suppressed the memory when you say there are two people, is that
what you mean by that?
I didn't suppress the memory, but their world, I think, is, I think there's several things
going on.
One is that they gave a command to the 16-year-old, when it was all kind of starting up, all
the contact would start up, they gave the command.
And you're also in an altered world, you're in an altered part of your own mind or your
own consciousness.
And yeah, and then they have an ability to make sure you don't look at this.
And I agreed.
That's the insanity looking back all the years later, you're like, oh my God, I'm the
one who actually was excited.
I was excited, believe it or not.
And then they put a command into me at that time.
And so I, if there was missing time, which there was a couple times, I just kind of questioned
it and then didn't think about it.
It's like that.
And then you just move on and then you forget.
Or you see an orb, I saw, I had a close encounter with an orb and I felt something had happened
and then I just forgot about it.
So it's like that.
It was events like that were occurring and I wasn't giving it too much thought.
But there was too much variety, also the aliens, when they interact with you, they can do
a variety of, they can, they can be in your life in a variety of different ways.
So physical is one of them, but you know, they can pull you out of your body.
They can stop time.
So there's a variety of things here that when you are young, you don't know what to look
for.
Yeah, they're interjecting in a variety of different ways and then you never catch it.
And so it's like that.
And so when it all gets exposed many, many a year later, yeah, it's like these different
means with which they're interacting with me was obscuring my minds in different ways.
And they seem to be very intelligent about all that and understand all that.
Well, you know, I have seldom reflected on this type of situation often, I mean, that
if something like this was happening to myself, I just don't know how I could function in
society or that's why I think you get obscured because you can't.
Yeah, you can't you can't you can't function.
It's it's too extreme.
The stuff is, it's just bunkers.
Never mind.
They're not translating it for you.
So you have to eventually figure out as a human on your own.
And yeah, you can't, I don't think you can.
And that's why it makes sense to give someone a lot of experiences and maybe they're intense
like they were for me.
And that at a later time, when I have more maturity, they open up and then you're distant
enough from the effects in your own life that you're like, Oh, my God.
Because yeah, I would have been there was a whole bunch of different things that would
have happened.
Had I had awareness of the contact earlier?
Here's a question in chat.
People if you are in chat and you want to post a question, please do as this person did
and that's all caps.
If you would, do you see events before they happen to sometimes right away?
So I haven't had any contact since.
So okay, sorry, let's refrain that.
So the physical contact that I was having, I haven't had that since 2017 and even at that
time, I wasn't aware that I was having contact.
So now it's all kind of like this orb and UAP stuff that's kind of flying around.
But I haven't had contact like that since.
So I can't say if I'm aware of it ahead of time or during it even, all I can, all what
they are for me is a stack of memories about these exposure around weird events that were
in my life and sometimes with other people.
And even they weren't aware that that was that's the result of, of, you know, contact.
And so yeah, it's kind of a, that's just the nature of this case or of my story.
And what do you, what do you feel as though they wanted from you?
So my story is a bit strange and different and interesting, I think, and unique, I guess.
And I think most of them, I'm the longer I've been in this, I think a lot of everything
is unique.
There's, they just don't repeat things.
It's so fascinating, actually.
And so I had a very bizarre event happen to me when I was 20 years old and I was 1997.
And that's what I call a consciousness event.
So you can just say it was, well, it's got awareness, but it was like, it altered my body.
That's the most crazy part.
I saw cells in my body have lightened them.
Now, you know, maybe that's a bit will, but what happens when it's real?
What happens when you, it alters you on the inside.
And there was a message to leave my life.
So there was combined with the spiritual idea of like, you know, you know, I think it's
called a, uh, uh, and anyway, I think it was like an indigenous, uh, a, a, a, a, a, a,
just like, uh, you know, leaving the tribe and then kind of going into the forest.
I mean, there's actually a, uh, I know the aboriginals had an, uh, an Australia had a,
had a ritual like this.
And it's something like that where I kind of, I felt I was being told to do this and it
was combined with this alteration.
And when I did it, that's when I began seeing anomalous activity in the sky.
And, uh, and I had, you know, close encounters with a couple of different things and objects.
Um, and so what I didn't know was happening was that event altered my biology, which they
initiated, then when I was traveling, they were taking my biology.
So there was like a hybridization thing that was going on and, or that they were taking
it for and so it altered my DNA basically.
And, uh, so upon doing that though, they were telling me things.
So it was kind of like an exchange.
So you do this and then we'll tell you what's going on.
And so I was, and it was like a slow moving, compliant thing.
And then it got hairy in the end of 1998, the fall of 1998, um, but, uh, it was never,
they never, the hybridization or all that biological stuff lasted for a year, uh, in 1998.
And they stuck around after that.
So they, it was biologically focused for a period and then they stuck around.
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Yeah, they gave me information.
So like what they were doing with the hybrids and why they were even doing that.
And yeah, and the whole point was that they planned to put themselves here.
And yeah, so that was the gist of it is a kind of like a then they knew that what was
happening here was something unique, I guess, because they're the ones who told me eventually
they would come back.
So they came back in 2016.
And they were the ones saying your memories are here now, you're able to access these.
And then you need to write it out and tell your world what happened.
And so they were the ones who wanted me to tell everybody that they're coming.
So that's kind of the gist of it.
And there will be a city is basically how it got framed.
And so that's why so I have a book they're rising by the way for your audience, not that
I'm selling my book, but that they're everything's documented.
So I'm not making anything up on the spot here.
Everything's documented and for transparency, really.
And especially with the only contact, I think that's very important.
So yeah, that's what they did in 2016.
They told me to tell the world that they're coming.
And from where?
From where are they coming?
Well, they didn't really.
I mean, yeah.
So this has been an ongoing relationship.
So I have more knowledge about that now than I did at the time, actually.
So it's very interesting where the contact they were they remained elusive about their
origins, saying they were from Zeta reticuli at one point.
But I think I understand more of these things now than I did when I was having the contact.
So at the time, they kind of made themselves out to be stewards, stewards of the planet,
actually, almost, and that they had seated us and that it's time for a new human is kind
of how they framed it, actually.
So an idea of updating DNA or updating genetics.
And so they framed themselves in this kind of manner that they had already helped us
in the past and that now there's time to change them somethings up and to help us even
more, I guess you could say.
So that's how they framed themselves.
Without fully focusing on their kind of society, they were more focused on, hey, this happened
in the past and we were involving ourselves and now it's time to update things.
I now believe they're from originating from, and I'm going to say it, who knows how it
gets handled here, from an alternate earth dimension in the future.
So I'm pretty convinced that that's where they're originating from.
Well, you know, that's as good of explanation as any, if you ask me, I guess we don't know,
right?
I feel like I know because I feel like I have enough evidence to pack that up, but yeah,
that's what they, that's what I was shown.
Yeah, and we'll talk about, I'm going to need to know a little bit more about what you
consider evidence, but Mary Grace is asking this question here that I was just going to
ask you.
So how was your DNA changed?
What happened to you and was it medically documented?
Medically documented.
And it asked basically the same question.
It was a question.
Yeah.
I healed fast and my body became sensitive to processed foods, but you know, when you're
a 20 year old, and this happens to you privately, and like, who's there to document this stuff,
right?
Like I can, I documented it happened.
That's about it.
And, and you know, it's like the experience or the experience or predicament, how much
of any of this is documented, right?
Like no one's documenting this content for you.
You're treated like you're, these are just crazy things, right?
So yeah, no one documented it, though there was a doctor.
So I actually did get injured and almost a peak of this, kind of just weeks after one
of these events happened, I punctured my foot and I had to go to a walk in doctor.
And yeah, I healed fast, I healed in a week.
And that was just one of the, well, I considered it one of the effects of this thing that had
happened without understanding what had happened to me.
So yeah, there was no documentation about it except for, I mean, if someone ever wanted
to try and dig that up.
That was an, and Victoria BC here, where I walked into a medical clinic.
So, but that's about it, though, yeah.
But that's, that's, yeah, sensitivity to processed foods healed quickly.
And the other was, I needed nature.
I can't really explain that where I needed to be around or in nature.
And I felt like I was getting something from it.
And yeah, and that's the peak, that's what that experience generally was like, and I was
living on my own.
I was isolated.
And I was, you know, I was traveling at that period.
That's what the messages were all about, was to travel.
And, and then they were showing up indiscriminately and periodically, but they were showing up.
You know, one of the, you mentioned that they seated the planet.
And that is kind of a discussion I had way before I ever got into this with someone that
I asked a question that supposedly was an especially task force in the Air Force.
This was an insurance agent of mine years ago.
And I basically asked him, you know, what do they want with us as far as, you know, as
far as the government, the government knows, and he said that we're a Petri dish.
That was his answer.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's a, it's a, there's a problem here.
I agree with that, but it's like half of the picture.
See, the entities I know originating from the afterlife.
And if you don't have that perspective or don't take that information in, then you don't
get what the Petri dish is about.
And, and if you don't know what the Petri dish is about, you're going to be terrified.
It's this stuff is the stuff of nightmares.
But if you know what their intentions are, at least what they're originating from and
why they would even do that, then, then the purpose behind it is a lot less scary.
And the fact is the entities I know respect souls or they respect the consciousness in the
body.
And, and yeah, but they do see bodies as this kind of like, yeah, I guess container, maybe
yeah, probably something like that.
And I do think that they, they move around in bodies very easily in amongst their own space
or dimension or world.
Yeah.
And when they said, and I'm going to be posting some more questions up here on chat here
in just a minute.
Thank you all for posting them.
But when you say stewards of the planet, often times you hear people that are hopeful for
that because, you know, we're, we're very much able to blow ourselves up.
I don't know how many hundreds of times, but, you know, just with nook, nook's alone.
But I think people are hopeful that it would be stopped by an outside, like an alien civilization
or something stopping it.
I don't think that's really the case.
But what do you mean by stewards of the planet?
Yeah.
Well, I can only tell you to the degree with which I have, but they're involvement with us.
And then, yeah, to the degree, and I, for, from what I learned from them is that they
don't want to, you know, the planets at stake here actually is kind of the big picture,
the planets at stake.
And, and I do believe they used it in the past.
And yeah, that's the gist of it.
I think that they used in the past the planets at stake and, and they did see us, and I'm certain
I believe for the purpose of hybridization at a, at a different, at a, seated at one point
for the purpose of us moving through our genes or moving through, you know, you know,
moving, eroding out, maybe the bad genes, you know, throughout the thousands and thousands
of years.
And then, and then while making sure that the planet was able to be used, I, that's my
best, you know, understanding of that.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, as a steward, but then also there's something going on here with the afterlife.
There's something going on here where the entities are, yeah, there's something going
on here where they may have made agreements and they may have been doing that for like
thousands of years.
And this whole angel stuff and I actually, like the entities I'm, I know, kind of like
crossover with this and, and it's not that they are angels, but, you know, they may get
interpreted that way when they're coming from their dimension.
And then their role that they, they're very aware of that role.
And then they're trying to impact humanity in a certain way.
So I think that they're, they're, that's one of me by steward, they're shaping.
They're, they're like kind of purposely shaping at times.
And I don't know if it's the same species, but tears of that, of that species are definitely
all in on it together.
And yeah.
Okay.
Uh, here's another question here.
Have you ever been hypnotized or can you even be hypnotized?
But have ever been hypnotized.
Uh, you know, as far as like regression, any of the, oh, okay.
For when I went through to understand some of my, my memories are flashbacks.
Yeah.
I, I, I purposely went into regression to understand regression helped.
So I had my own memories of what had occurred, but, you know, they were broken.
So I didn't know, I didn't understand some of the linear track about a certain contact
event.
I needed a regression is to help me with the emotional, the stay in that space.
So the regression has helped you, you know, if you're terrified, you don't stay in the
memory, right?
You pull yourself out.
And then the regressionist keeps you there and they say, okay, what's happening now?
And they help you with that moment and to keep you grounded in the memory.
So you can understand what the hell had occurred to you.
So yeah, I definitely did, did you do, did you do that or are you, are you looking to
do that?
No, no, I've done it all.
It's all done.
Oh, yeah.
It doesn't at all.
Yeah.
That's what the, that's what the story is.
It's an understanding about what the hell, all that was I had to, I had to do it first.
I had to understand what the hell had happened to me and what they had done with me.
So yeah, I, I've done all that.
I don't have any mysteries about what had happened now.
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They're going to say, well, what evidence do you have for any of this stuff?
Yeah, please shoot.
Just name something.
What part?
What part?
And I can delve into it.
Yeah.
Okay.
What physical evidence of any kind do you have?
Do you have any physical evidence of what?
What was happening to you?
Okay.
Okay.
So what happened?
So okay.
Well, for me, I have, okay, there's many evidence for you.
And then there's certain people what happened to me.
So are you saying that so like this stuff interacted with my life, it's shaped me, right?
So I like, it is the source of that shaping.
So like what, like, given example, like, so let's say what kind of cooperation do you
have any cooperation from any other person that witnessed what you were going through?
Oh, well, just people in my life, like, yeah, at the time.
So, but no one was, no, that's the point of it all.
No one, no one was there witnessing the alien contact.
And there are definitely some people who were there at the time and who are part of the
contact.
And I don't believe they knew that they were having or that they were that that one event
occurred to them.
I've reached out to them, but there's no, there's no desire for them to understand that.
My parents were, were slightly involved.
My aunt and uncle had a close encounter with the UFO.
But again, you have to want to know that, right?
And some people don't want to know about it.
And that's what you live with.
Like, yeah.
And so I have my own understood.
I mean, you have to think of it this way.
So, okay.
Yeah.
So a pile of, a pile of memories, a spawn from an individual, okay?
And then a bunch of weird events happen to that individual.
So yeah, okay.
Sure.
They're just crazy little memories from a person.
But then what happens when you start finding the things that these entities talked about?
Other people had heard those things.
What about the weird bizarre methods they used that you, your brain literally can't make
up, like a spiral coming out of her right eye to hypnotize me and do a command into
me.
Turns out that was in David Jacob's book.
So you get these weird, like, I could say, like, I actually, the game I play is pick a
number between one and 26, and I have 26 contact events with them.
And you pick a number and I can tell you, like, five collaborations from other contactees
or whistleblower content or, or government docs, like, that's what, that's the state I'm
dealing with here.
Where I have all these memories and everything matches, you're like, oh my God, I like, I'm
not just right.
I actually went through this and it's real.
And that's the shocker.
And so, you know, what do you mean by government, government docs, documents, what do you mean?
Okay.
So, so they're from the alternate earth dimension in the future.
It's a good one to use.
And I'll be using this at UFOCon.
Well, there's a 1947 document from the FBI vault, right, that explains exactly what
I saw.
So, they are from an alternate, so, so you'd have to pull up that document if you don't
fully know.
But it's a, so let me see if I can talk and do some of the time I head here.
So, the document explains, it's the, it's page 22 of this FBI doc that was dated 1947,
July 8, 1947.
So, like, the day of Roswell, and there's this document from, and the FBI vault, available
for the public.
And the entities describe where they're from.
And they're from an alternate astral plane.
It's called.
Well, that's what I witnessed.
It's this other dimension that's stacked, that's like, you know, the stacked dimensions,
I guess is the idea.
And it's right here.
It's linked to our earth.
That document explains the same thing I saw, which it's part of our earth.
So it's an, it's an earth in another dimension is what it is.
And they don't mention the future, but, but, you know, Colonel Corso, apparently, his
son is speaking publicly about these things and says, yeah, we have the docs.
That's why they got, I got, like, if this is all this stuff I'm putting together for
that presentation, I got, I got a couple different, you know, avenues I'm pulling from.
And yeah, you, some of these guys talk about the future.
So Colonel Corso's son talked about the future, Jacques Vallet talks about the future.
And yeah, and so that, that government doc is an example.
So I saw this first.
And then when I see that doc, you're like, oh, my God, like am I supposed to sit here
and say, no, no, no, I just, I don't really know guys.
Or do I say holy crap, I was shown and I know for fact, right?
That's the difference.
And so I'm a confident guy.
I know what the hell I witnessed.
And I say I know for fact now, that's my fact and I understand them.
And so I have to live in a world where people have to interpret that.
And then they'll hear guys talk like this and then eventually they'll figure it out.
It's real.
And then that's, that's how that will move.
But right now I'm, I'm a, it sounds a little bit bonkers, but that's, that's, that's
what this is.
I know it's coming from an alternate earth dimension in the future.
And, and then so having that doc only Tom, the long was the other one who was the, the
collaboration there.
So Tom, the long talked about this too.
So and his information becomes from general, that guy's missing now, General McCannister,
Kimberler's name.
So if that guy who's missing is the information, we're Tom, the long got this information,
that they are from a future, a future timeline that is next to us.
That's how Tom, the long described it, a civilization alongside our own.
So that's, that's what we're dealing with is something bonkers like that.
So right?
So like that's, that's what I get.
So I, I have these experiences, these personal things and witness that I witness.
And then I'm stunned by it.
And it's real for me, right?
It's showing in a way or displayed in a way that is unequivocable to my personal experience.
You could say, oh, yeah, they were just playing with your head, I guess.
But you know, I haven't found them to be malicious yet.
I haven't found them to just play with your head.
So I've everything they've been doing has been very, very purposeful.
And so I'm listening to it and I'm trusting it.
And then when they do show you something like that and then all of a sudden you're like,
oh my god, there's that doc, oh my god, that Tom's a long guy, oh my god, that Jack the
leg guy, oh my god, you know, that Colonel Corso guy, right?
And then I'm now scouring the contactee reports.
You got Jack, John Maxx reports and you got Grant Karen and contactees often talk about
either a future earth or an alternate earth.
And this is not uncommon.
And so that's what's all being compiled in that UFO con presentation.
And so that's one of the ways.
So that's that's the type of thing I'm dealing with.
Of course, it's a private experience.
And I can't tell you or give you evidence that that's the case.
And that that just might be how the phenomenon operates.
Right?
Look at all of us, Whitley Strieber and everybody, right?
Whitley Strieber did have groups of people who were having experiences with him.
But his experiences were a lot more, you could say less informative and much more just
convincing the public that this is a real event.
And but there's some people involved with mine.
Like my wife has seen the objects that fly around the home.
So she's definitely witnessed them and I have a lot of them on camera.
But you know, there's a lot of information here.
And yeah, it's been given to me and I can't give cooperation for that information.
So then what do you do as a human?
Do you just say, didn't happen or I can't?
I'm guessing, right?
Because I know for facts a lot of this stuff, because I do learn more eventually
that some government guy has got something similar or some S4 guy or Linda Molen Howe shares
something with me that that matches what I saw on craft.
And that's the type of, that's the type of stuff I'm dealing with.
So I hope that answers.
Yep, yep.
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Have you had any experience with any type of implant?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I got it.
I got it some implants.
Yeah.
What is the purpose of it?
What is the purpose of that you know, why would you have an implant?
I mean, what is the purpose of it?
Yeah.
I mean, it's not like I was explicitly shown or told, I guess.
So when I was 16, they put two in my shin, one in my ear and one up my nose.
And I'll never learn the real reason.
But it's, I think that they're probably able to hear through the ear.
And the one up my nose does seem to interact with, I would say that's where that telepathy
comes from or the kind of more solid form of communication.
And then you know, when you're scouring reports, you find, you know, I don't know if you've
ever seen the documentary David Huggins and love and saucers.
That same thing, he has, he has very strong telepathy he gets and he has, and he had an object
and sized up his nose as well too.
And I think that that's what's, that's the origin of that, of that ability is, is something
that they put up my nose at a young age and that impacted or impacts that, that communication.
It may have some role to do with the memory obscuring too.
I don't know.
Yeah.
And maybe they're recording.
I mean, that's, that was said to me during one of the contact events that they were recording
information from me.
So yeah.
So again, like when that whole consciousness event happened and then the biological stuff
occurred, they were really interested in taking from me.
So that's, that maybe as a part of it too, they were recording things and, and I'm, you
know, some purified body, then they're taking this information and, and that's not fully
explained why they were, what they're taking or what they're taking it for, but they're
taking that information.
My lived experiences, I guess you could say.
So if they're, they're coming back here and from an alternate, alternate earth you're
saying is that, it's the best I got.
Yeah, alternate earth dimension.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, yeah.
Are they bringing things back to their future of where they're from?
I mean,
well, so isn't it Jim, Jim Senniven, is that his name, CIA guy, who says the UFO truth
is indigestible and, and that's my best guess is that that's the, so you have to, like,
there's a couple weird things about the phenomenon, right?
It's always in control, right?
And, and I think the evidence is in that it's evolving us, right?
You know, you got to a UFO, beyond UFOs, the, the academic paper or academic book, right?
That's focused on 3,000 experiences, right?
And every single one of them, a lot of them, you could say, had, like, had an expansion
of consciousness, right?
Psychic abilities and such.
And, yeah, I think that, and you know, you could even say the crashes are their attempt
to evolve us, right?
So there, I think they have, I feel, I'm love that guy, I'm that guy, I'm, I'm, I'm
that road that believes that the phenomenon is evolving us while simultaneously remaining
in control.
And, and why, unless something maybe incomprehensible was going to happen, like they were coming
here, or some dimension was, it was going to change the dimensional field or electromagnetic
field of the planet is in a shift or something bizarre that affects humans in a way that
makes it okay for them to be here, because you know, they're a highly telepathic, they're,
they're, they're, they're more paranormal, I prefer to use the word paranormal because
it's not just telepathy, it's floating, it's, it's turning into orbs, it's total insanity
for humans.
And they might be making environment more susceptible or easier to be here for, easier
to exist in for a being of that nature.
And for all we know, it was like that in the past, I don't know, but something like that
is a keringia where they're kind of coming back and, and they're shifting things up that
might make us, you know, that might be a big shift.
I remember, um, Jacques Vellet and I were, we're having a discussion and, uh, this was, uh,
in Phoenix a number of years ago and, basically, you know, talking about the phenomenon
and what it is and, and all possibly could be and all that.
And he mentioned, well, I think it could be a lot of things and then it could possibly
be something that we wouldn't understand.
That kind of sounds like what you're, you're talking about, something that's very hard
to wrap your brain around.
Yeah.
So, you know, I have to be open minded because I certainly don't know what they are.
And, you know, so I'm listening to you.
I'm not, it's hard to be convinced of anything from anyone.
But I'm still, you know, letting you express, you know, what, what you are expressing.
Appreciate it.
And that's my role, right?
Like that's the role I take on is, uh, is to warm up some of these crazy and sane ideas.
And, uh, yeah, and please, I push it on like, hey, how do you know that or why do you hear
that?
And bringing up Jacques Vellet is really good because, you know, I've, I've actually kind
of leaned towards like, hey, his information keeps matching mine.
So, um, so he was, his, he did a, uh, he was at the Soul Conference and his opening speech
at the Soul Conference there.
He talked, he said something that was very much in line with what is going on in my story.
Um, so he spoke, he said he was at a conference, a computer conference, something like that.
It was in San Francisco and the, uh, the Bush's, Bush's science advisor was there.
And, uh, and the UFO's got, I'm not sorry, Clinton's science advisor was there and UFO's
got brought up and the guy gave an analogy about what they, and he called it the UFO problem.
Which is how I think this has been turned out to be.
It's not just cool little aliens.
This is a problem for some people.
And, um, and the analogy was an old man walking down this, walking down a sidewalk, sees
a green glowing object in the forest or in the grass.
He goes and picks it up and it's a frog and the frog says, if you kiss me, I'll turn
into a beautiful princess and we can marry.
And the guy says, I'm too old for this and puts the frog in his pocket.
And, uh, and, you know, my whole thing is that they want to merge with us.
They're, they're bringing themselves here to merge with us.
So, uh, yeah, that's, uh, that sounds about right.
Wow.
Okay.
I don't quite understand this question from Bobby.
Bobby's a long, long time listener.
Have you met a family member that has passed with the aliens?
Oh, I think he passed away.
If someone who's passed on and then is maybe on craft, maybe, and I've actually, funny
enough, I've heard of that, um, but, uh, I have not experienced that.
I have met someone, uh, a close experience or friend of mine, contact you, whose public
I won't mention them, uh, saw their children before they were born on craft, yeah, stuff
like that.
Yeah, it definitely happens.
Weird things like that.
Whoa.
Okay.
Um, Mary Grace, uh, when did you, when you mentioned that the aliens are part of an
after life?
What did you actually mean by that?
Yeah.
Let's go there.
So they show me the afterlife on craft.
So that's, uh, and, you know, you, maybe you could say, well, that's an illusion.
And, um, and it was holograms.
So it was what it was was the death of my last life, arcing to the, into the afterlife
and then the birth of me.
So the birth of Jess Elver, so it was like a, it was like a, it was like a scene is what
I watched.
And they, they cut things up.
But it was, I witnessed this, this transformation of, so I died in the last life and I have,
like I, the problem is, is that you can't, you can't fake, you know, past life awareness,
right?
You can't make something up and then have it match what was on it, what you saw from
a different angle or perspective, which is what they did.
So like for me, these are internalized experiences.
I can't, my brain can't make up and not just that, uh, you, it was, it was, I was shared.
I guess that's the best way of framing it.
It was a shared experience.
So I was living it while it was, while I was witnessing something from my past.
Uh, so it was like kind of a present moment past thing cross, crisscrossing at the same
time.
Anyway.
And, and it went into the afterlife and then they were there.
So the entities are there and they make agreements with end it with people and, uh, and that's
what they were showing was, and I have enough internal experience to know, you know, the,
it wasn't fake.
It wasn't false.
And it also answered a ton of things about my personal life, about how their own engagement
with it.
So it's, uh, you know, you could say, I'm convinced of that.
Sure.
You could definitely say that.
They were in the afterlife and you could say my own oversolder, this higher energy form
of me, who's not me, who plans lives of my life, it, that part of me made an agreement
with these things, these, these beings, these entities and, uh, and, um, yeah.
And I think that that speaks a lot to, you know, first off, this whole body part, this
whole body thing.
Here's, go back to Bob Bazar, right?
And Bob Bazar's, the crash retrieval guy, a crash retrieval, uh, you know, first, one
of the first whistleblowers, right?
And his whole thing is he saw a document that said the aliens think of us as containers.
Uh, you know, you got the EBO geneticist, you can go down that way if you want to.
And he said the humans, they, they think of us as, they, they think of human embodiment
of spirit as a means of trying to create self attainment or, you know, specifically
enlightenment is what, but it was using, uh, the apotheosis, apotheosis, which is, got
it, got awareness, so got attainment.
So the entities that I'm interacting with definitely are aware of these types of things,
aware of, you know, the search for spirit or the search for soul.
And, uh, and maybe themselves are, are not, uh, don't think of themselves as the body.
So then they're able to, you know, have an awareness about other dimensions that the
body that the spirit goes to.
So that's what this was, it was an exposure of kind of the behind the scenes.
And yeah, I mean, so far, uh, everything I'm interacting with displays itself to, you
know, have that type of, uh, have that type of awareness when it's engaging with someone.
It's engaging with someone with them, maybe understanding about how they'll impact their
lives and, uh, and what they're going, what they're, what they're doing, uh, what the
life of that person is.
And, um, you know, it's not, is it any chance that the aliens chose Whitley Strieber who
was already an author, right?
And then made it, it made him be the, which turned out to be a huge book, right?
And changed a lot of people and I brought the aliens awareness to tons and tons and tons
of people.
And, uh, and so Whitley Strieber was already an author.
So that's kind of like very interesting, not just that he was a horror author.
And the alien, you have to be able to approach fear with some of this stuff.
So there's some interesting things going on there, um, but regardless, that's my personal
experience, is that they're operating from this dimension or at least that is one of the
spaces, you could say, I'm not really clear on how all that gets played out.
But yeah, they're very aware of the birth and death lifecycle and, uh, and then if they're
interested in bodies and managing bodies and then it all starts making sense that they're
very aware of this birth and death lifecycle process and, uh, and they may, and the aliens
I worked with or I'm interacting with make agreements and, uh, and make agreements with
souls to, to facilitate or do things, but with me, it was to do what, what ended up happening
to me.
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You mentioned earlier on that it was basically your job to get it out there, to get this
out there, to everybody, and to what end?
To what end?
To what end?
What is the honey mean?
Yeah, what is the, what, what do they want to achieve in your mind?
What would change by getting this out there?
I think we're ill prepped.
I think that they knew some of these things.
They got the GOV.
They knew some of these details and you know, you could say maybe there's some
peripheral evidence that they did.
Maybe Stargate was the result of alien contact, right?
And they knew they learned some things about human consciousness, that kind of stuff.
So humans are ill prepped for this side of the story and maybe the people in the GOV
didn't understand that or maybe they were religious, right?
So then it does interfere with kind of religious perspective and it becomes hard to swallow.
So when you have a frame of structure about what you think spirituality is, so then for
whatever reason, we're ill prepped.
And I'm convinced we're in the end game.
From what they showed me, I'm convinced we're in the end game.
We're in a period where we should be more prepared than we are.
And so my role is to just talk about my content and I think the stories laid out or the sequence
of events and what happened to me is laid out in a way that gives me, you know, confidence
about what I know is what I feel I know is the nature of the phenomenon.
And then what it might be planning and then, yeah, and I can talk freely about my personal
experiences, then that helps educate people.
And if you ever tried to reach out to someone like, you know, say Lou Ellison or someone,
you know, that's really involved or had been involved, I've done talks to move on a
lot, I've done several talks to move on.
There's a degree of like not knowing who to trust.
It's a weird, I'm not, no, I don't know who to trust.
And I would, I would, I would, I would take on anybody who would approach me.
But there's a weird gain going on and I'm not convinced they want all the information
out either.
I'm not really, I would listen or talk to anybody, but yeah, I've considered things like
that and then felt not to do that.
So I can understand, I can understand, you know, there's a, there's a lot of thoughts
about that.
I'm going to just pop up this thumbnail right here that the background on this, the graphics
person thought that that was something that you did, you talked about.
Is that so?
Is that something you described?
Something similar to that?
Some what?
Interesting.
That's a weird synchronicity.
But yeah, I was working on something just like that just an hour ago, seeing, I saw,
I saw tubes, bodies and tubes, I 100% saw bodies and tubes and several different occasions.
And when it was like a laboratory, which is my eight, I call it, so I've numbered all
my contact events for references, kind of like even scientific reference so I can go
back and talk about things and things that I learned and understood about what I witnessed.
So my eighth contact event, I saw three bodies and tubes and then in the tenth, I saw tubes,
rows of hybrids, all in tubes, just like that, yeah.
Hmm.
Okay.
So I'm going to pop up some questions we have here as time's moving along here.
Are there a set of numbers that you keep coming across?
So I can only imagine you're referring to synchronicities and for me, we are creator beings.
So if I start making the number one, you know, have meaning for me, it's an internalized
meaning.
I'll start seeing number one everywhere.
Yeah, it starts aligning with different, you know, my phone or, yeah, it can be, yeah,
that happens normally actually.
And then if the number four takes on meaning number three, yeah, I'll start having these
types of synchronicities, yeah, and sometimes considered depending on the number, you know,
I look at that.
So yeah, I can have that.
All right.
So this person here says basically that you've been giving us general information and he
wants to know an experience, you know, specific experience that you have or several experiences
that you had.
And just keep in mind, we've got a couple of other questions and we're almost out of time
here.
Yeah.
How do I do that?
I don't even, I don't even know what to start if I, yeah, um, also, yeah, go ahead.
Yeah.
No, no, go right ahead.
Um, I'm relaxed about time.
We don't have to, it's not a hard out.
So Martin, Martin, pick a number between one and 26.
26.
Number 26.
Okay.
The last contact event.
Okay.
So it happened.
And this bed right here and my wife was sleeping in the bed with me.
And um, so that the night before I had actually, uh, so I had the memories open without knowing
I had alien contact.
So I didn't, I didn't know how to look at that.
I didn't know how to look at that period of my life, um, and I felt like I was having,
I felt something was unresolved and it kept kind of hitting the back of my mind and
I didn't know what was going on and I spent the night pulling something out of me that
turned out to be related to them.
And so they came and, uh, and that's a bit too much detail here, but I'll just bike.
So I got pulled out of my bed and I awoke, uh, kind of in like a haze, um, on craft,
on a, on a craft and a single, uh, tall, gray alien was, was, was driving the craft.
And, uh, and then there was a sensation that we were landing or had landed and, uh, and
I was being pulled out and I was kind of like, uh, dazed, I was kind of in a haze and
I was being floated out and the alien was walking and ahead of me and I was being floated
out.
And there was no other aliens, um, they, uh, I was, I was, I was, I was, how do I explain
this?
Um, so because everything's related, I'm like, I, these aren't single contact events that
just are what they are, they're in relationship to the store or to my relate, they're in relationship
to my relationship to them.
So, so, right, cause I'm one of thirps, so they were kind of having their eyes on me.
And, uh, so yeah, I got basically pulled into a space that I could feel a lot of entities
were looking at me and, uh, and the room was extremely bright and I wasn't able to see.
So they didn't like that I was, that I spent the night before drawing on something and
they were saying you're, you're like, you're going to come back to us soon, but you can't
just pull on that, um, and, uh, and, but you're going to come back to us soon was kind
of the gist of the telepathy.
And, uh, and I was made to feel guilty for, for having, when I say pulled on it, I just
mean, I was, I was being creative about something that was tied to them and, uh, and that I
didn't know how to handle in contact.
That's the best way for me.
So then they were aware of me doing that.
And, uh, and so basically I got taken into a medical space and, uh, after this, I got
floated, I was, didn't walk at all.
I was floated the entire time and I was put onto a medical, uh, thing.
And what, who is here is this, I call it the leader.
So it's, it, it's not a mantid, but it's the archetype of the mantid.
This didn't, this thing didn't look like a bug.
I call mine an art vark.
He had a snout, he had massive eyes on this head, big yellow eyes on the side of his head.
And he's got his hands that do kind of have, they, they're shaped or they're held like
this.
And he's got tools in his hand.
And I'm placed under him, like on a bed, and he's got that big eye looking down.
And he, and he makes a joke and he says, this one's going to make great parts.
So he's talking about me being used for parts.
He's like, haha, he's laughing about it.
So you know, he's, they, they have some sick humor, I guess.
And in, so on my perspective, I could see the crazy eye.
And then there was my, my body was on the court, was on a screen there.
And like the, I guess, yeah, like my body, but it was like, it was, it was like medical
content.
What's associated with it?
So like I could see into like parts of my body.
And he was testing things so I could feel him testing, he tested something to do with
my ear.
And it was like a, like a testing of the implant.
And, and he, he poked at some things in my ribs.
And then he, they, they, they instructed them, the other alien, there was like a great
alien here.
And instructed him to float me up and then turn me up, up, up or right.
And he put these lines on my back.
And I could feel these edges were being scratched into my back.
And, and that's basically it.
And I was floated back.
And, and when I, I'm floated back into a craft.
And then I'm come, I come back here.
And when I come back to the, the bed, I thought these massive scratches all over me.
And, and it terrified us, terrified me, anyway, and terrified my wife too.
So at first, I, we didn't notice, I had to get up.
So it was a weird night where there was only three hours of sleep, because my wife was
getting, was going away.
And so I, I get up and I, and I go and I, I have to take her and I put on a shirt and
I can feel them, but I'm not conscious of it just yet.
Take her to the airport.
Come back.
I roll on them and I can feel I'm a discomfort, but I still not thinking about it.
And tell them in the shower.
And once I'm in the shower, they sting.
And that's when I take a look and I take a shot, you know, a picture.
And the others, these massive scratches, and they're perfect.
Like they're perfect lines.
Like a lot of frame it.
Like here's a book, but like just like a line all over the place.
And, but they're perfect.
And, and it makes no sense to me.
It seems paranormal.
At that time, I was having paranormal activity that was kind of like really ramping up.
It was opening, things went missing, coming back, things like that were occurring all over
the place.
And so this just seemed the right in line with it and it terrified us.
So I thought it was paranormal and I took a picture of it.
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But you're alone in this stuff and you're not thinking someone's going to take this seriously
or think it's that or this.
So we were terrified of it and I didn't like having the picture.
So I deleted the picture and all these years later, I've done everything I could to see
if I could, you know, iPhone backups or whatever.
I could see if I could grab that when I couldn't.
So but she saw it and they got sent to her as well too.
And then she was terrified and she didn't know the origins of it and didn't understand.
Like, we just kept arguing about it.
I didn't go anywhere, right?
Like, I didn't go anywhere.
You were there.
What the hell?
And, you know, she's confused.
I was confused.
And then it got left like that and we didn't understand the origin of it and then all
the years later, once the flashbacks started occurring, that night was deeply associated
with that crazy creature I saw.
So this thing with the yellow eyes, with cat's lid eyes and weird eyes in the side of
his head, who I would actually see several times in the contact events, but hadn't seen
for years at that point and there was a sense of familiarity, even when the memories
were exposed.
There was these broken memories of this crazy-ass creature.
And yeah, and so, yeah, that's how it ended and I won't have, that was, there'll be no
more physical contact events like that.
Everything else now, it was from like the present is all UAP and, and like, lepathy from
craft and stuff.
It's crazy.
But yeah, that was the last, that's how it ended is kind of a, you'll come back to
us soon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How about siblings?
Do you have any siblings?
Yeah, I have two brothers, yeah, two older, two older brothers.
And have they ever had anything happen?
No.
Well, they were involved without knowing they were involved as a youth, as a, as a kid.
But they don't, they don't identify with it or they don't understand and they don't
know.
And there's nothing, there's nothing anomalous in their life.
The only one who had some type of anomalous activity is my mum and she had like, out of
body experiences when she was younger and, and that was it.
And then my aunt, my uncle had a close encounter with a UFO, yeah, and that's about it.
And what are your, to your brothers know that you talk about this now?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I think they just, they all, they just don't know, okay.
They don't know to make of it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Crazy.
Okay.
This happened to me.
And then there's this happened to me.
Oh my god.
There's a story or there's this message behind it.
And then there's the third level, which is, oh my god.
This happened to me.
There's a story about it.
And I got to tell everybody about it.
And so when you go down that rabbit hole, they're like, everyone's kind of, oh, okay.
Whatever you say.
And, you know, I, I, I, I dug, I dug into some of this.
And in different ways, they were around at certain periods and they saw some weirdness
in my life.
They can never understand how it would be linked up to something like, as insane as,
as an alien contact.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Let's see.
This person wants to know, have you ever had a cat scan?
No, but I, this is the type of stuff like, I want blood done.
Like, apparently I have their genetics.
I believe it.
I felt it.
Um, so yeah, please.
No, I don't, I've never had a cat scan.
I've never had my DNA taken.
Um, I'd like to be hooked up.
I'd like to be a laboratory rat regarding all this stuff.
Yeah.
Well, you better watch what you wish for.
I know.
I know.
Done with it with completes, you know, um, you know, uh, control on, yeah, yeah.
And, um, and to receive the information, if I don't trust the person, they'll keep
it for themselves, right?
So yeah, I got to make sure that we can share this information with the public.
Yeah.
Here's another question.
Um, on the top down or citizens up disclosure, can you address the possibility that
disclosure cannot and won't be coming from government, but has to come from person
by person or gathering minds.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, I don't believe it can happen.
I think that, uh, it's fun enough.
I've, uh, I've an MBA and I studied leadership and, uh, and, you know, the brain behind leadership.
And you need a leader.
You need a leader and you need the world, you need a world leader to address their
reality without a world leader addressing the reality.
You have everyone guessing of what the hell is going on.
And even if there's pockets that come up that say, this is that, this is this.
Those pockets don't match other pockets.
And then that just creates conflict and you're having the inconsistency, you're, it's,
it's true.
There is a degree where we do affect each other and we are positively affecting each other.
Um, but I've been at this for five years and the, the pockets pop, come up and then
they die down.
Um, and you do need leadership, you do need a leader to, to, to, to set, cause here's
an example, uh, David Grush says, NHI, now everyone says NHI, right, once, once that word
NHI came in, now we're saying, oh, that's how we frame it.
And then we all internalize that information and that's how we structure or handle some
of our information.
Uh, you need leadership, otherwise you're going to have one person say it's this and then
another person say, no, it's that.
And, uh, and the phenomenon is actually hard to contain.
So you do need, uh, kind of some type of structure of leadership to help with that process.
Okay.
A couple more questions here.
Um, what do the entities call themselves?
Yeah, right.
What do they call themselves, um, yeah, they've never, I've never heard a name.
I've never heard a species name, um, the impression I, or at least from my understanding,
they are so old that, um, they may not even identify with certain things anymore.
Uh, they might not identify with some labels like, like species names.
Yeah.
It's a great question.
And I don't know how they identify themselves.
I don't know the answer to that.
I just know that they're, they're, they're spirits.
So they're, they're energy forms and that's the, that's the most of it.
And I do understand some of their, where they're, where they're originating from with
their, with their quantum stuff or their tech, but that's, that's, that's the, just
that I got.
Are you in a dream state during your experiences?
Some, but not all, yeah, uh, some but not all.
Some are in real time with no dream state.
Some are in frozen, they, they stop time.
Can you wrap your head around that?
They stop time.
And then when they do that, they're, you're in an altered state of your consciousness,
but that's not dream state.
Um, and I wouldn't even say dream state, um, I've had asked, I've had bio located astral
projection where you materialize on their craft insane as it is.
And, uh, and that's not, it's kind of dreamy, but it's not a dream state.
So there's not, uh, yeah, so it's a little bit of a distinction, but there's a lot of
people that believe that there's something going on with time involved in this whole
phenomena.
Uh, there's a time element for sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
Christopher, in your communication and observation have you seen or heard, uh, agreement or debate
between NHI regarding what to do about us, about Earth?
Yeah.
Um, uh, that's been, uh, you can say hinted at, uh, yeah, with, with, yeah, um, some
version of that, I guess you could say where, uh, they do think of us as out of control.
Yeah.
So like, they can't handle us or can't manage us and I don't mean manages and control,
but, um, maybe can't work with us or can't what actually how it got framed in contact
was your world is under siege from within and hard decisions will have to be made.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And now when you start unraveling, and if you want to like, like, I don't want to
want to go into the e files, right, those e files, but they, they knew something about
UFOs.
And you start, and then you start learning Dick Cheney was on top of all this, right?
And like, there's something going on here where there was, something's under siege.
Yeah.
Some, they were keeping information from the public and, uh, and it's caused problems.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
Oh, no.
Here's another one here.
Uh, have you ran into any that make it clear that they don't like you or are jealous,
uh, jealous of you or any type of way?
No.
No alien has ever been jealous.
Um, no, I've never had that.
And, uh, and, uh, no, it's, so it's a really interesting game.
Yeah.
They, I think human ignorance, uh, hasn't, uh, annoyed them or hasn't annoyed them even
with me at the time, at times.
But there's always a respect of the spirit.
This is like, I know it sounds hard to believe, but the entities that I knew respected spirit
and, uh, and yeah, the human ignorance could piss them off.
I think they could get annoyed with human ignorance.
Um, and then they're not tribal.
Or tribal nature, we're, we're, we're killing each other.
Yeah.
I think anyone would, you know, looking from the outside in would think, Oh, what a mess,
you know, uh, these people are so violent and, you know, they try to figure out ways to
kill each other.
Yeah.
It's stuff like that.
For them, it's like kindergarten, like not killing yours, not killing your same species
is like basic, fundamental, plant stewardship.
Yeah.
And, uh, yeah, it's stuff like that that I'm, uh, I'm aware of that, uh, that, uh, there's
it, there's a degree where humans, yeah.
Okay.
So imagine, yeah, there's a time thing that's hard to swallow.
There's a spiritual thing that's hard to swallow an afterlife thing combined with that
paranormal thing.
They'll combine together human potential thing that we're kind of not fairly clear about.
And then out of nowhere, there's also a, uh, maybe, uh, maybe not judge us.
I don't think that they judge us.
You might have to get prepped for a mind frame of a species looking down and saying, why,
what are you doing?
Like as a, as a collective, what are you doing?
And, uh, and I know we have good intentions, but, you know, maybe we could have done
some things differently and, uh, and they're looking and watching that.
Yeah.
So we have, I think the ideas get prepared for something like that.
Very interesting.
Well, it's been really a very curious and interesting conversation.
I have to say.
Yeah.
Appreciate it, Martin.
Yeah.
And have, uh, have a great time of this weekend.
It's a great little conference you're going to.
Yeah.
Thanks, Martin.
Thanks for having me.
Thanks, everybody.
Thanks for being patient.
Yeah.
Appreciate it.
Yeah.
All right.
Very good.
Thank you.
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