788 - Words are powerful (with David Ghiyam)

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All right, welcome to episode 788. Hello, my friend. Welcome to a fresh new

episode of new mindset who this as always. Thank you so much for listening.

Thank you for supporting me and today a very special episode. As you might know,

I don't really have many guests on the podcast. So when I do, it's kind of a big

deal. And today I'm really, really excited to have my friend David Guillaume on

the podcast. You probably know David. David is the co-founder of Mary Ruth

Organics. You might have heard of that. But perhaps more importantly, he is a

leading spiritual teacher known for his teachings on manifestation and energy

and Kabbalah-based principles for living with purpose and abundance. And on

this episode, we talk about all these things. We talk about manifestation.

We talk about spiritual alignment. We also talk about the overlap between

David's teachings and mine on optimism. What it really means to trust the

timing of your life to be genuinely faithful to your life's mission, to be

optimistic and how to use that to attract everything that you can desire.

It's a really, really energizing conversation. I'm so excited to share with

you. Let's hop in right now episode 788 with David Guillaume.

All right. Hello, David. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having me.

We've had a lot in common. Certainly the way we dress like magicians on the

strip and Vegas perhaps. I think it's the only person who's ever worn a

turtleneck in Miami. It's nice. You've got a great neck. You should

really show it off. I like the drip. I like the red pen. I carry it with me

everywhere I go. Of course. Me too. Oh my gosh. We have so much in common.

I also like your teachings, your wisdom, your friendship. Thank you.

All the things. How would you introduce yourself? You have so much wisdom

around the cabala, its teachings, its applications in a really

relatable way. You're also an amazing entrepreneur and business person.

How do you think about yourself and your purpose? How would you describe

what you do, what you represent? Probably the simplest way of putting it is.

I think for the last 27 years since I was 15 years old, when I was introduced

to the wisdom of cabala, this whole world opened up to me of spirituality

and wisdom of the soul. In the same way that there are physical laws of

life, like gravity, that we all have to abide by. There are spiritual laws of

life. So when a person wants to understand the secrets to relationships, human

consciousness, healing, manifestation, how to attract your soulmate, how to attract

the prosperity that is destined for your soul. Cabala speaks to it in the most

powerful way, and it is the original spirituality and wisdom that

was the bedrock of so many religions and paths. So this wisdom has brought so

many people together, and that's been very powerful for me. And yes, I ended

up by chance starting a company called Marywith Organics about 13 years ago,

which thankfully has been successful, and I do attribute a lot of its success

to spiritual wisdom and living spiritual life. A little side quest for it.

It started off as a quest, a little bit more than that, but yeah. For sure.

No, I mean, yeah, you deserve your flowers across word. I mean, I've seen how

much people gravitate toward how you teach those teachings and how you make them

relatable. So let's maybe let's try to do that. And I think about how you teach

and what you teach a couple of words come to mind. I think about the soul,

I think about consciousness, I think about energy. These are words that are

thrown around a lot in wellness circles as they should be.

What is the basis of the teachings? Is it like the flow of energy? Is it

is it something around consciousness? Is it so? Are these all interchangeable

words? What is what is like the foundation of when you say, you know,

these are ancient spiritual teachings? Are they governed by a religion? Are

they governed by, you know, the flow of life? Like, could we put a little

bit more texture on it for people to relate to? It's a beautiful question. And

I'll explain it and make it practical for people who are listening.

We just have to imagine that there are only two forces in this world. One is

a universal force of energy that some people call God, some people call the

creator, some people call it the universe. The sages say that there's this

force is a positive force of fulfillment that when you connect to it removes

all the darkness in your life. So for example, person is saying, I'm single.

I want to find love. What we really are saying is if you connect your soul to

this universal force of energy, this darkness called being alone or not having

your partner will disappear. And suddenly, in the physical world, you will

meet this person. If we talk about prosperity or connecting to not just wealth,

but wealth that brings you blessings, it's not a function of how many people

I know or how hard I work or what new innovation I have or what company I create,

there's actually a step before that. You connect your soul to this universal

force of energy and then that energy will guide you into the highest level of

prosperity, wealth and abundance. So the second force in this world is our

soul, which is called the vessel, the desire to receive this light. And our

soul came to this world in order to receive this energy and all the

fulfillment that we desire. But the reason why we're not born with it is

why aren't we just born with your other half? Why aren't you just born with total

clarity to the best family, no health issues, no challenges, no anxiety? Why

aren't we born that way? Because our soul actually chose to come to a world of

darkness, which is opposite all the fulfillment so that we could earn it.

Very simply, how we earn it, how do you earn to meet your soulmate, have

prosperity, have wisdom, have clarity, have health, so on and so forth? You

have to act like this force called the creator, you have to act like this

energy. So the wisdom of Kabbalah and the wisdom of the sages are just simply

teaching you what are all the attributes of the creator, what are all the things

you need to do to emulate this vibration? And when you do everything in this

world that is meant for you and destined for your soul will come to you.

Would you say, is this an, it sounds like it's an inherently optimistic approach

to life, yes? 1,000%. How do you, how do you think about optimism within the

context of those teachings? Like what is, how do you, how would you define optimism?

Well, it's fine. I was just about to ask you, how do you define optimism and then I'll

pick you back up. Same time. One. Favorite dinosaur. My definition is very simple.

It's the belief that things can't change. So it, it doesn't over promise. It feels

like a very fair definition to me because I think sometimes people associate

optimism with positivity. They are one in the same. And I don't think that's always

the case. I talk a lot about the power of negativity as a wall and a swimming pool

that if you want to move, you got to kick off something. So we have to embrace the

negative. We have to embrace the darkness. We have to name it. We have to look at it.

And then we believe that things can't change. And that allows for the belief system

to then, in my world, similar to yours, to claim what is ours, to speak about it

in a way that makes it inevitable to align our actions with that belief. But yet

it's the belief that things can't change. I love that. I love that.

But my clientele had this famous quote and when they asked them, how did you come

up with the statue of David? He said, it was just a matter of chipping away

the excess rock and the statue is there. So what we learn in the spiritual world

is that the light of the creator, everything that you want in your life, everything

you desire, everything that you think is not even possible, but you wish you had

already exists, causing you to want it. So you would never desire something that

didn't already exist meant for you, meant to manifest in your life, sending

you a single saying, want me, come find me. So if you want love, it's because

there's a person out there who's meant for you. Maybe there with somebody else

right now. Maybe they're married to somebody else. And their soul is sending you a

single saying, reveal me, earn me, find me. That means that let's say you are in

Miami and your soulmate is married to someone else in London, temporarily married

to them. That soulmate of yours in London on a subconscious level is sending

you a vibration saying, hey, listen, you're not ready to have me yet because there's

certain things you need to transform inside yourself, certain fears you need to

overcome. Certain traumas, certain darkness that your soul came to this world, but

once you transform them, once you overcome them, like what you said, once you

even know that you can change them and you pursue that transformation, you will

then vibrate on a new frequency and then I can come to you. So this person doing

their spiritual work here in Miami, let's say for two months they do this type of

spiritual work, now they're ready to meet their soulmate. The person who's in

London, this man or woman who's married, will all of a sudden get a divorce.

Something will happen. Their separation will occur because now that soul must

come to Miami to be with the true soulmate that has earned them because of the

spiritual work they just did. That's such a beautiful way to think about life.

I think the element that sits between the current reality and that future

alignment would probably be the thing that I'm worst at, which is patience.

Patience there, especially when you've done the work, perhaps you have that

immense energizing clarity, you have the optimism to believe that this emotion,

this circumstance can change, you're doing things, you're aligning your actions

with that belief and then you haven't attracted that outcome that you want.

How do you recommend people sit in that space?

Well, let's maybe give an example. What is the type of situation that you've

seen most come in, you talk to or you've engaged within your audience of a

person in a certain situation and they're trying to shift to a new situation or a

new destiny and then we can talk about the spiritual work.

I think the one that comes to mind, which is a lot of fodder for it certainly

would be with relationships, just like rushing to want to have the partnership

because we believe that partnership is what will offer us for filming.

There's probably a couple of things there certainly, but let's use the example

of being single, lots of bad dates, frustrating dating experiences,

not with the person. You recognize all that you bring to the table,

you're self-aware, you're humble, and yet you haven't attracted that person.

What do you think this person who is desiring a relationship believes they will

receive by getting into the relationship?

Probably two things. One, they believe they will receive the same energy and

effort that they so willingly give. So these are people who love pouring out of

them and they just want it to be poured back into them.

So they want this love to come back to them?

Yeah, they want reciprocity, they want that mutual exchange.

And on the other side, there's probably an element that also needs to be examined

of, you know, they want that box checked because they've learned and believed

and have been told that that is, you know, a large purpose of their existence in life.

Yes, so other people have told them this will make you happy.

Society, parents, themselves, ultimately.

We have a society that is always looking for the next thing.

Single people are looking to be in a relationship.

People in a relationship are often looking out to what is it like to be single?

People who have no acknowledgement or recognition in this world or fame,

they desire to be famous and then people who are famous desire privacy.

So this is a constant battle we all have inside of ourselves that we want this

next energy and once we get it, we don't actually long term feel the feelings

that we're looking for. So then we're looking for often the opposite of it or the

next version of it. When a person has one, they want two.

When they get two, they want four, four, eight.

And the say just say that a person dies.

Never even feeling half full because they always wanted more.

Right.

So what are the ways of looking at it is that if you want to attract in this case,

your partner, how would you go about doing that?

The best analogy I can give is let's say we have a light bulb.

It's a 60 watt bulb. 60 watt bulb can hold 60 watts of energy.

If we want to put a thousand watts of energy into this bulb, the bulb will explode.

The bulb cannot hold a thousand watts of energy.

In order to hold a thousand watts of energy, we need a thousand watt bulb.

So a person who's single, let's say it's a man or a woman who's 32 years old

and they want a partner.

If I go through their checklist of what they want in a partner,

so imagine all the things that people say they want.

If they want a person who's successful, spiritual, they're aesthetically attracted to,

they have humility, they like to have fun, they're spontaneous, they're funny,

they have everyone has their thing.

If I look at their list, and I would go to that 32-year-old man or woman,

I'd say look, I'm looking at your list, you are a 60 watt bulb,

but you're requesting a thousand watts of energy.

And rightfully so, it is your destiny to receive them.

My question to you is, what are you doing right now to become a thousand watt vessel?

People think, well, I'm going on all these dates and I'm doing all these things.

That's not what's going to expand your vessel.

Just going out on dates and being on apps or putting yourself out there

or proving yourself here and there, that's not really what it's about.

What are the spiritual laws to expand you from 62,000?

And you could stay in one place, you could never go out on a date.

You could actually be on no dating apps.

But when you expand your vessel to that thousand watts,

that person must be revealed.

Universal law says that person will knock on your door,

run into you in the street like you will run into that person.

So, now even when listening, they realize, wait one second.

I should just focus all of my attention and energy,

not on chasing the energy or looking for them,

walking to a party or room, a restaurant.

First thing you're thinking is, is he here?

Is she there? I don't have to do any of that.

Take all that energy and ask yourself,

how do I become a thousand-well bulb?

So, spiritually speaking, what does that mean?

The first thing I would tell people is,

do you believe you deserve to be with that man or that woman?

You say you want them, but you may feel that you don't deserve to be with them.

A lot of us have issues with deserved ability, especially around wealth.

If I pivot to wealth for a moment,

a lot of people say they want millions of dollars,

but deep down inside, they have competing desires that push wealth away.

I was speaking to a person earlier today,

and I said to her,

what's one of the reasons that you haven't grown to be successful as you say you want to be?

And we found out that she tells the whole world,

hey, I want to be famous or rich or whatever,

but then she also realized that if she were to be those things,

her sister would hate her.

Her family members would judge her and be jealous of her.

So, she's keeping herself small in order not to rock the boat

and negatively affect her family members.

So, there's 50% of her that's trying to be successful.

And then there's another 50% of her,

very subconscious 50% of her,

that every day is praying to not be successful.

Praying that the deals fall apart,

praying that she doesn't become famous,

because then she can keep the status quo and make everybody comfortable.

So, inside of her, she has two opposing forces,

but she doesn't realize that.

We are such powerful manifestors with our thoughts, our words, our actions,

every day we're manifesting.

If you have two opposing desires inside of you,

one that says I want to be married and another part of you,

then maybe things, if you get married,

you're going to lose access, you're going to lose,

oh my god, I got to be a born person.

Everyone has their limitations around relationships.

So, these two forces oppose each other every day,

and that's why the dates don't work out.

That's why you could go on three, four great dates,

and then on the fifth date, you'll start sabotaging it,

because you're realizing, wait a minute,

I'm about to be in a relationship.

So, this other part of me that wants to be single says,

well, we've got to find something to do right now to sabotage this immediately.

That's really eye-opening, because I think a lot of times,

I say, you know, we have limiting beliefs.

And I think what you just described isn't necessarily a limiting belief.

It's opposing desires, which is different.

Very good. It's called the competing belief.

So, limiting belief is, I don't believe I deserve it.

So, that's one start, but then,

even if you think you deserve, do you have competing beliefs,

which are often more headed?

Yeah, I don't think I've ever thought about it like that.

I certainly, there's a lot of room there to, you know,

in my world, right down your beliefs,

see which ones perhaps are opposing in nature.

Maybe without being specific about the woman or just in general about your teachings.

How have you noticed people speak to themselves about their beliefs?

Are there any certain words that they use when they're expressing these things

that to you are like, well,

So, this is, I know, your specialty.

And this is actually, I think what you do is very unique,

because you have a very powerful focus on language and words.

And I have learned that everyone's soul correction and limitations

are coming through their words, whether they realize it or not.

So, when I'll be in a seminar and somebody stands up and says,

you know, why am I not successful at something?

Like, I want to make money, why can't I do it?

I start asking them questions.

And words come out of their mouth, and often there's a word that really shines for me.

And to me, it's the indication of the limitation in their soul.

So, for example, there was this man who has a company.

He makes about $2 million a year,

but he hasn't been able to grow it out of this $2 million a year.

Comes to me and says, how do I get the five or 10 million?

So, I start asking him questions.

I said, tell me, what is your, I said,

what word comes to your mind when I say wealth?

Wealth is what?

We said wealth is freedom.

Of course.

Okay, that's very nice.

That's what it says.

I said love is, I said relationships are, and he said partnerships that expand.

I said, okay, very nice.

I went through this whole list.

Then I got to one word.

I said power is, and then he said power is corruption.

I said, okay.

You gave me all of these words that were very unlimited and positive in nature.

When I attached them to wealth, I said, for example, employees are,

and he said, employees are a way to delegate your time to expand.

It's a very expensive word.

When I came into power, he said corruption.

I said to him, I said, where in your life have you seen that power has translated corruption?

We went back to it, and apparently, when he was a child, I think he was adopted,

and the adopted parents abused him.

His first real experience with people in a position of power

were that they abused their power by abusing him.

He then realized growing up that he didn't want to become like his parents

because most times people who are abused become abusers.

His whole life said, I must avoid power stay away from power because power is corruption.

I said to him, I said, okay, do you realize that there's all these other parts of you

that believe that wealth is expensive, employees are expensive,

partnership is expensive, yet all these positive belief systems

that are associated with growing and expanding companies that I've noticed in my time

having coached people for 20-plus years.

I said, do you realize, though, if you become very successful in your company

and it grows, you're going to have a lot of power, and it hit him at that moment,

that he every day wakes up, and there's a small part of him that says,

I hope I do not get more successful than $2 million a year

because then I will be in a position of power.

Then I'll have a lot more employees and people who report to me, I'll have more power.

I have a lot more customers, I have a lot more power, I have a lot more money, I have a lot more power.

So he doesn't want power.

Remember, he already told himself power is bad.

So every day he is sabotaging his own company to not exceed $2 million.

So it's not a matter of he's unlucky or the economy is a certain way

or everybody says all this, and that I've learned there are entrepreneurs

who no matter what's happening, the economy, tariffs, interest rates,

they always find the way to be successful

because their belief systems are so unlimited

and they have no competing belief systems that energy is always flowing through them

and then that energy is removing darkness and it's revealing the way to access the wealth of the success.

I mean, it sounds like the best way to expose these competing belief systems

is to vocalize them or write them down.

It sounds like when they live in your subconscious for so long and they turn into actions,

it's no wonder you don't see them.

But through what you just say, it was like, it's so obvious.

It's so logical once you express it in such a practical, relatable way.

So it makes me think then that perhaps part of your evolution needs to be vocalizing

these things, needs to be writing them down.

And then I think it becomes a very human thing to be like, well, these are competing.

Fair statement.

1,000%. If you can vocalize them and write them down and then put them through two filters,

are they limited in any way or do they compete with each other in any way?

You have now just opened the gates of your soul.

Everything else will work out.

Because who you meet, how you meet, where money comes from,

where relationships come from, where opportunities come from, it's not luck.

It's all a function of is your vessel, soul, clear, ready to receive that energy.

And you are the determiner of that.

You can tell the universe, hey, I don't believe I should receive.

So don't give me any universe.

You can tell the universe, hey, I do want, but there's a part of me that doesn't want.

So the universe says, fine, we'll wait till you're clear.

Meanwhile, we'll put love aside.

We'll put money aside.

We'll put wisdom aside till you figure it out.

What happens, the sage just says, that because the soul is destined to receive everything,

we are all destined to be happy.

We're all destined to manifest everything.

Even if it takes lifetimes, the universe starts to force us through a painful process,

because pain is one of the most powerful ways to cleanse a limited or competing beliefs.

Yeah, I think that's a great topic, certainly, because I found in my study of optimistic thinkers,

or I even call them delusional thinkers, that the most productive ones are grounded

in the brutal reality of the present.

In order to be a productive optimist, that is to have a belief system actually change your life.

Not just believe and be all a whimsical about it, but to actually put you in a direction

where you receive the things that you've aligned with.

First, you have to be grounded in the reality of the present.

The anecdote I always give, and it's in my book that's coming out quite some time from now,

there's this guy, Major James Stockdale, who was a Navy pilot in the Vietnam War.

He was shot down over Vietnam. He served in a POW camp there.

He was held hostage, tortured for almost eight years.

Obviously, horrible life-changing experience, a bunch of his friends, a bunch of his comrades were killed,

but he managed to make it back.

And in his memoirs, they asked him a question. He was reflecting on his time.

They said, you made it back, but a lot of your friends didn't.

He said, so who didn't make it out?

And he said the answer was, he said, oh, that's easy.

It was the optimists. The optimists didn't make it back.

And he went on to explain that, the optimist in the circumstance that he was describing,

these are the people who were in this brutal reality.

But they kind of, they refused to embrace it.

Instead, they said, it's okay, we'll be out by Christmas.

And then Christmas came and they didn't get out. We'll be out by spring.

We'll be out by summer. We'll be out by fall.

And eventually, he said, those people died of a broken heart.

And that we mustn't confuse our vision for the future with the discipline of embracing the present.

And the two forces moved hand in hand.

The pain of the present being grounded in your reality with the vision for the future.

I've always thought that was such a powerful reflection on obviously very horrible times.

There's also a lot of research that shows like there's an order of operations when it comes to present and future.

Thinking about obstacles, thinking about vision.

Should you think about your vision first?

And then the obstacles? Should you think about the obstacles in front of you first?

And then the vision?

And then the vision? And the research shows that you should think about vision first, then obstacles.

And that the brain treats those two scenarios in massively different ways.

When you think about the vision first, the alignment, the future, the things that you want and are working to attract.

Obviously, the brain does a variety of things for one, releasing dopamine, creating that adhesiveness to the vision.

And then the idea is that when you come across obstacles, when it's vision first, then obstacles, the brain treats those obstacles as things to overcome.

Just problem to overcome versus you do it in the other way, obstacles first.

And then vision, the brain treats those obstacles as reasons to give up.

So it's an interesting idea of the way that the brain treats these things.

But both scenarios, both the story of Stocktail and the idea of order of operations requires you to be grounded in the present.

Even in the example of the psychologist, you can't just focus on vision.

You have to focus on obstacles, but it's A and then B.

And then A. I've always found that to be really interesting in the land of the studied and the practical.

How do you think about that? How do you relate to the idea of the reality and in the future and how we need to think about both?

Let me ask you a question.

So the person who said, I'll be out by Christmas.

That actually is what didn't manifest their release.

What would have been a better way to say it or to consider it?

Yeah. So I mean, the practical would have been certainly.

I believe I can be out in a amount of time, maybe not by Christmas.

But I believe that my circumstances will change.

And right now in the moment, these are horrible circumstances.

Okay. So you're acknowledging the painful situation now.

You're acknowledging that this is not the ideal scenario.

And then you're basically saying, I know I will be out.

Yes.

Is the limitation here saying by Christmas?

The limitation would both be yes by projecting a very acute timeline, but also not acknowledging the present.

Present. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Now I understand.

So let's relate that to the stages, say, in terms of manifestation.

So a painful scenario occurs.

Let's say the most extreme situation.

You're a prisoner or taken hostage or you're in a situation way out of control.

A person goes to prison, whatever it is.

What you're supposed to do at that moment is realize that the highest vibration that is in similarity of form with the creator,

which means that if I can tap into that vibration, miracles will occur.

If I can tap into that vibration, I will be released from prison.

If I can tap into that vibration, whatever my circumstances that looks negative or dark will then become light.

All right. So I need to tap into that vibration and what is the, what is the highest way to get there?

It's two words come to mind.

Number one is certainty.

I have certainty beyond my logical mind that my situation is good.

Now, and the second word that comes to mind is being whole.

I have certainty that my situation is good and I am whole like everything right now is in its perfect state.

This, however, must come after one level of consciousness, which is you feel the pain of your current moment.

Because I think what a lot of people do is when they're in a painful situation.

So let's say you experience some kind of death, more heartbreak, more loss.

If you jump too quickly to, oh, I have certainty.

Oh, I'm whole, everything is going this is not happening.

You have bypassing one of the most valuable steps, which is, I'm in pain.

This is a painful situation.

And you must feel that pain.

You must lean into that pain because you're showing the pain that you are the cause and not the effect.

The creator is the cause. So you must act like the cause.

Miracles are the energy of cause. So you must act like the cause.

If pain comes and you're running away from it by either going to some kind of instant gratification,

other stimulation, even spiritual bypassing,

you are now the effect.

You are what the sages say reactive.

You are no longer like God.

You are no longer like the creator.

And therefore, your chaotic situation will continue.

So step one is, wow, pause.

Feel that pain.

Feel the humiliation.

Feel the heartbreak.

Someone just left you.

I was just talking to a woman.

A husband left her for another woman who was her friend.

She's like, I'm in so much pain.

I said, okay, come.

I brought her up on the stage.

I said, I want you to go to a visualization with me.

I said, we're going to visualize now the worst case scenario.

She's like, wait, what?

Shouldn't we do the best case scenario?

I said, no, no.

We're going to first visualize the worst case scenario.

I said, I want you to visualize that your ex-husband who left you for your friend,

everything an amazing time right now.

In one of the most exotic islands, she looks good.

She's making him so happy.

I said, do you have a daughter?

I said, I have a daughter.

I said, imagine now your daughter really loves this new woman that your ex-husband is dating

and now they're getting married and they're having the most incredible wedding.

The wedding you never got.

And as she's like getting nauseous by the husband, right?

And imagine that all your friends, they don't feel bad for you anymore.

They actually like, really see that this is a good match.

Imagine your ex-husband's thriving now, thriving in ways that he didn't thrive with you.

And I went to this visualization with her.

I said, now you are controlling the pain.

Now, when you visualize the worst case scenario, you are making sure it never happens because

when you proactively feel it, you've gone through the process.

You now don't need to go through years of it manifesting in your life.

You are essentially taking complete control over the pain.

There are deeper lessons to this.

What the pain does is it cleanses parts of your soul.

It expands it from a 60 watt bulb to a 1000 watt bulb and then your energy comes in.

So in 10 minutes, I did with her what would have taken years of a painful process to get her to.

And then once she was so comfortable with the pain, once she truly was happy for her ex-husband and wanted his happiness,

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Yeah, it's such a powerful practice.

I mean, it relates, it's so interesting.

It's two sides of the same coin the way that we're approaching the subject, you from the depth of the ancient spiritual wisdom.

And myself from the practical of language and neuroscience, so interesting.

What you described, therapists have put an aim on.

It's called counterfactual thinking.

There's upward counterfactuals and downward counterfactuals.

And downward counterfactual is, it could be worse.

And here's exactly how it could be worse.

An upward counterfactual is, if I had done this thing, here's how things would be better.

And you know, there's all kinds of different ways that we use these things.

But it's incredibly useful to use a downward counterfactual in tandem, sometimes with an upward counterfactual,

to say, to put those things on the table, but to be powered by the belief that things can change for yourself.

So it's again relating to the idea of grounding yourself in the pain of the present, looking it in the face.

I'll throw a couple of things out here just to pepper some variety on top.

But there's also something in behavioral science called prospect theory, which obviously will click very easily for you.

It's the idea on the positive side.

It all relates to the negative, but on the positive side, that the more specifically you are able to speak to what you want in life,

the more able you are, the more efficient you are actually achieving that.

So the difference between saying, I spoke at a conference yesterday, the example I gave for them was,

there's the difference between saying, I want to be successful versus I want to be the top-grossing salesperson in my region this year.

And the brain, obviously, is a predictive processing machine.

You tell it what to look for, successful.

Brain doesn't really know what to do with that.

Top-grossing salesperson in my region in the next 12 months, and it was exactly what to look for.

I've always thought that was interesting, but the flip side of that is also true.

The negative prospect theory, naming the negative emotion as specifically as we can,

so that we could also tell the brain to be on the lookout for this acute trigger,

the reason that I'm feeling this way, what is bringing this feeling out in me,

or if only for the purpose of staring that negative in the face,

and using that as like a pool wall to kick off us, I've also found to be really interesting.

And that's all language, that's all word choice, making it really practical for people as well.

So if someone's listening to this right now, they just heard what we said.

They're excited about using language and word choice to better their situation

or overcome their pain or manifest miracles.

What is something right after this podcast they can do for a few minutes practically to manifest that reality?

Nice. Reverse Unocard. You interview me.

I think I remember that.

Well, I've got a ton.

I think the one that really comes to mind, and really we're talking about, we're talking about limiting beliefs.

We're talking about these competing belief systems.

First of all, we get them down on paper for one.

We write these down. Do they have to use a red pen?

I recommend it. Red is...

There must be some kind of science and energy to this.

So they're very spiritually. I'm just curious.

For me, and I'm not studied in this area, but for me, red is power.

Red is clarity.

There's so much noise and confusion. This is me saying this.

This is the intention that I'm putting into this moment.

And for me, and also it just pops.

It draws the eye.

So I would say...

Okay, so they write it.

So we're writing down these beliefs, right?

So we're writing down what we want.

And this is opening my eye.

I'm going to think about developing a journaling system for writing down beliefs.

And then identifying which ones are competing.

I think that is brilliant and so powerful.

I'm sure you have a methodology to it.

But I'm also thinking in general of, you know, we name what we want.

And then we also name the obstacles.

And how are we speaking about them?

Most of us are using the word but.

I want to be the top-grossing salesperson in my region.

But, you know, I don't have a ton of experience right now.

The difference energetically and linguistically between that and...

And I want to be the top-grossing salesperson in my region.

And right now I don't have a lot of experience.

Completely different intentions, completely different conscious reactions.

What happened when you just go from but to end?

Like literally what happened at the moment I go from but to end?

Yeah.

Well, there's a lot to be said about the neuroscience of how the brain reacts to that.

For one, you know, the brain is really good at connecting dots.

So if you put but linguistically but is a cancellation clause.

Anything that follows but cancels out the original phrase.

So the brain is literally cancelling up the prior thing.

100%.

It's saying this is what matters.

That doesn't matter.

And what matters?

The brain.

Don't think of a yellow car.

You're going to find all these reasons.

So the brain literally just deletes the prior sentence or the prior thought.

And then, spiritually speaking, it's a desire.

So it's a vessel.

So the brain is deleting the vessel.

So you're not able to expand the vessel.

It's very powerful.

Yeah.

It's certainly, I mean, there's nuance but it weights it significantly more heavily.

And when the brain is out there living and you're living and you're loving and you're learning

and you're reacting, the brain is collecting data to reinforce beliefs.

And the belief is what came after.

But the belief is not what came before it.

It's the same way with if and when.

If I become the best, the top-grossing salesperson in the region, I'll be happy, fulfilled, etc.

When I become completely different energies.

It certainly relates to the idea of, you know, claiming that future.

Claim the future reality in the present.

There's something called psychological ownership in psychology, which is the idea that we wait

much more heavily the things which we claim as we have.

Like, this is ours.

So one has more doubt.

Absolutely.

Again, the brain is like, if one is, you know, again, there's nuance here, but one is protected by the idea of this is mine.

Psychological ownership says that, you know, I'm protective of this thing.

And what does the brain do when it's protective of something?

Well, it reacts in different ways.

It builds more resilience.

It motivates certain behaviors versus if.

I don't know.

That's how the brain typically operates.

There's a special concept where, for example, if you make a vow or promise to someone,

you have to be very careful because when you make a vow, you actually draw the energy

and light of that vow before you even fulfill it.

And if you don't fulfill the vow, then that energy is lost and it goes to the chaotic side and you have more chaos in your life.

So, for example, if I say, hey, I'm going to, I'll see you tomorrow.

Or let's say, I'm going to, I'm going to go to the gym tomorrow at 10 o'clock.

Like, I'm going to the gym.

I'll see you at the gym.

Right.

I'm actually receiving all the energy as if I've already gone into the gym ahead of time.

Now, if I don't show up there, I've now taken this energy without manifesting it.

So, this energy, it says it goes to the negative side and causes different types of chaos in our lives.

So, a person should be very careful.

If they do not think that they can do something or it may not work out, they have to say, well, I will try to be there.

I'll do my best.

And it's not as powerful to say that.

And it is not that powerful.

You're not getting that much energy.

That's why marriage is only one thing.

The difference between someone who's married or not, traditionally, even for thousands of years, is just one thing you're making a vow.

The vow, imagine someone sitting under the canopy saying, I'm going to try my best to love you.

I, the challenges will come.

I may stay.

I may not.

I can't promise it, but I'm going to do my best.

Like, everyone would be like, oh, my God, what's going on here?

Right.

The vow is so strong.

Right.

And if you're going to make that vow, like you have to, that's what you have to do.

That's what you have to do.

Being ready for marriage means, are you ready to make that vow because you're going to draw so much energy?

Yeah.

In that moment under the canopy, so many people flew from around the world.

All this money spent and everyone's so emotional because you're the vow you're making is expanding the vessel and drawing all this light.

Then in the marriage, you have to then live by the vow.

Yes.

And if you don't, it's very chaotic.

That's why people who aren't ready to truly make the transformation shouldn't get married because you're drawing nuclear energy.

Right.

And then if you don't fulfill it, it causes the most chaos in your life.

Yes.

Oh, yes.

I've never said that before.

Actually, ever in a seminar or a podcast, whatever.

It just came to me, but somebody probably needed to hear that.

Beautiful.

I want to expand on that.

Yeah.

Because you've talked about expansion a couple of times.

It's obviously a key component of this.

I think about expansion is taking something that already exists in amplifying it, expanding it, making it larger, more conscious.

I think a lot about, you know, so for me, I actually think about all these constructs in like three tiers.

I think about optimism that belief that things can change.

I think that leads then to what I call delusion, which is a belief in a future that doesn't yet exist.

And then from there, it leads to what I call audacity, the belief that action, bold audacious action to make it a reality.

That's the pyramid of belief visualization system, picturing that future.

And then the audacity to take action to make it a reality.

They all flow together, right?

You need the three serving in tandem with each other.

These are energies.

I think though about the second, the delusion or the expansion, the visualization.

You talked about visualization earlier.

I think sometimes the thing that gets in the way of that is, you know, we have the vision for the thousand watt light bulb.

The big, bold, amazing future that we have.

But sometimes it takes the form of like a completely, completely, completely different version of ourselves in life in that situation.

Whereas for me, it has to be expansion.

There has to be a through line of where we are and where we want to be, who we are and the person we want to become.

And of course, people are capable of incredible, complete 180 transformations in life.

But for me, both like at a heart level, but also a science level, like the brain needs the through line, right?

You don't snap your fingers and you're a completely different person.

You bring along with you attributes that are amazing and they're expanded.

So I always think about like in order to make that like delusional reality adhesive to the action that needs to follow,

we have to have the thing that we're bringing with us.

Here's the thing about me that will be expanded.

Here's the discipline, the commitment to things that needs to be expanded.

So like, I think a lot about that in the sense that some people are delusional in the bad way,

which is just disconnected perhaps from what that transformation will require of them.

And I think a lot of like, what is the thing?

Like right down the qualities that you have in your life right now,

that will be expanded upon, that will be part of that vision where you are making a hundred million dollars a year,

where you are with that amazing partner.

What are you bringing with you versus what are you creating from scratch?

How do you react to that?

I love that.

What comes to my mind is, so let's say with finances.

In my life, let's say in our company, in Mariruth Organics,

if I had to set a goal for revenue this year, or not even just this year,

let's say I thought to myself, where's this company going to be in three years and five years?

Let's start a big number right?

If I thought this company needs to get to, I'm just making up a number,

nothing to do with the company, but just a big number.

It's $10 billion.

Let's say I'm going to say, this company is going to do $10 billion for me.

And right now we're nowhere near that.

I ask myself, what vessel needs to be created within me as a founder, as a co-founder?

To be able to hold that, because I could work really hard,

I could try to find the best employees, but if I'm not spiritually, physically, emotionally,

intellectually, ready to hold that number, that energy,

there's no amount of work or luck or connection that will get me there.

That's why there's a lot of people, they all make the same effort,

they have the same connection, they have the same background,

maybe they even have the same privilege, and one gets at the others, don't,

because one figured out how to create a $10 billion vessel energetically,

the others didn't.

On paper, it looks like they all do the same thing.

In fact, even if you came from a background that wasn't privileged,

literally, you came from a very difficult childhood, family, society, religious, cultural background,

that's what I often talk to people, because when I go into inner city places

where I talk to people with difficult childhoods, I say to them,

if you believe that you have less of an opportunity than anybody else,

maybe in the physical world, that's true, but on a spiritual level,

it's not true.

In fact, you have an advantage on a spiritual level.

Mary Ruth, when I first met her, I think we wrote 27,

and she had gone through the most difficult challenges of her life.

She lost her father, died suddenly, her brother,

18-year-old brother died suddenly, her best friend got murdered.

She lost all her money, her mom got sick, had a brain tumor, paralyzed.

It was craziness, and she wasn't making any money.

She was doing a little bit of health coaching, I said to her,

I said, you know one of the reasons why you are destined to be someone

that's going to change the world is because you had such a difficult upbringing.

Everything went against you.

That the equivalent to the level of darkness you've experienced in your life

is the vessel that becomes the light that you can bring.

So if you've gone through this much darkness, there's no doubt in my mind

that you will affect and change the lives of hundreds of millions of people

and have more money than you can ever imagine if you choose to manifest that.

So what I'm saying is that the vessel to create the greatest,

the wealth, power, fame, love is created by the most difficult,

challenging opposing moments of your life.

If you were born to a wealthy family and a wealthy network and all these things,

yes, I understand how that can make it easier and maybe to be successful.

But if you were born in a very, very difficult scenario on a spiritual level,

I don't know if it's going to go up on a spiritual level,

you're actually in a higher position.

If you choose to do what you said, to be certain, to not be a victim,

to know that this is good, to change the way you talk,

to change the way you speak, all that darkness actually becomes light.

The greater the darkness you've had in your life, the greater potential

like you can have. If you choose at this moment to stop blaming other people,

looking at external situations as what's causing you to be stuck,

it's full responsibility and act, as we say, on the vibration of the Creator.

Yeah, I mean, that's beautiful. I think the thing that I'm hearing from that

is when you're going through these times of darkness,

there is a level of practical interpretation of it,

is that when it comes to movement and the fluidity of life,

when you're in the dark times, I think negative emotions,

traumatic time periods, we see this as a stopping of your development timeline.

Not only in the sense of being stuck there,

but also progress, dark time, complete stop.

People think they're going backwards.

We see it progressively, if you think of a linear line moving toward the thing we want,

getting older, it's this stop and change from here is impossible.

I think a lot about this, we're playing philosophy ping pong.

You talk about that, and I talk about my application.

I was doing research on the nature of change and how humans think about change,

especially when we're in these dark times,

or especially when we think we're not capable of any more change.

There's this researcher, Daniel Gilbert, who, him and his colleagues,

surveyed tens of thousands of people 18 to 65,

and he asked them two questions.

First question was, how much have you changed over the past 10 years?

In everyone, as we would, of course, have changed a ton,

who I was, when I was 25, 2015, I've changed a ton.

I've changed who I am, what I want, my ambitions, some of my values,

alignment, I've changed a ton.

He then asked them, how much do you think you'll change in the next 10 years?

And the majority said the same thing.

They said, well, probably not that much, like who I am now is who I am.

I've been shaped to be this person by life experience.

This is probably it.

And then they followed up with these people 10 years later,

and he asked them how much have you changed?

And overwhelmingly, so all these people, 18 to 65,

said they changed completely over again.

And I always thought that was interesting one about how, like,

the least permanent thing about us is us ourselves,

who we are, how we think, what we want, ambition, standards, boundaries.

I also think about it within the context of the universe,

how everything truly is changing.

It only takes one small domino to fall, to create massive change,

industry change, political change, economic change,

dating pool change.

To me, especially within the way that I think about optimism,

the belief that things can't change,

in the dark times coming back to that reminder that things are in progress.

And they always will continue to be in progress.

There's even something in psychology called the endowed progress effect,

which says, the brain wants to complete and further things

that you've told it are in motion.

And when you tell yourself that you're stuck, the things aren't changing,

the brain doesn't like that very much.

And it doesn't do what it does best, which is connect dots,

see things, encourage certain resilience.

So I always talk about verb tense, too,

when it comes to describing these dark times.

Sometimes we'll say things will get better.

I will find my partner.

I will become wealthy.

And I have found, in alignment with that,

that the present tense isn't incredibly powerful.

This is happening.

My person is on their way to me.

I am figuring it out.

So I've always, you know, combining a little bit of the whimsical

with linguistic tense to be really helpful there,

and capturing the nature of change.

When people read your books,

or what are the tools that you're offering people

to be able to literally reprogram their mind

and the way they speak?

Because as you're saying things,

I'm like, oh, you know what?

I do that.

I see how everyone else does that.

I see that.

We've been trained to speak on a whole different type of vibration.

Right.

No one's teaching us in school to talk the way that you're saying.

Right.

No one, we've been wiring our brains to be limited consciously

and unconsciously, our whole lives.

How are you helping people change that?

And what are the tools that you're giving people?

I always think, I hear something great.

Like, okay, practically we have busy people listening to us.

That's what your podcast is usually the only like 10 to 15

minutes, minds who minds 20.

People are busy.

People just want to know, how am I going to change

our lifetimes with this programming?

I think, well, the tool is very simple.

It's where it's lying, which how you speak to yourself.

The application is also very simple.

We have the self-distance from some of these emotions.

Like, we're talking about self-distance

from some of these emotions explained.

Correct.

So certainly, we have to do exactly what we just described.

Name the negative emotion.

Look the negative emotion in its face.

Self-distancing, though, is saying this emotion

does not define me.

It's not a permanent emotion.

It's not who I am.

Well, even before we get there, I'm walking down the street.

I look at my phone.

I get a text message that really upsets me.

I'm in the heated moment.

I'm angry.

I'm not thinking now.

Oh, I got a distance by something.

Like, how do you get from that moment?

I got it.

To what you're saying.

So don't say I am angry.

Don't say I feel angry.

You say a part of me feels angry.

It's the most practical.

I feel angry.

That's the first thing I should say.

Say, say.

A part of me feels angry.

A part versus I am angry.

Correct.

A part of me feels angry.

A part of me feels angry.

A part versus I am angry.

Correct.

A part for the big implication, a small implication.

The big implication would be when you say I am angry, I hear that at the energetic level.

Wow, you, David, as a person, are angry.

The totality of who you are is angry, energy.

You, every cell in you is angry.

No, of course not.

Well, so that's powerful.

So already, I'm like, if I said I am angry, I am already manifesting myself in the

myself in this incredibly negative eyebrows.

Yeah, I wouldn't even say, I feel angry.

Some people think that's the solution.

So I'm feeling it's all in conversation.

It's subject verb predicate.

I am angry.

Remember predicate?

I verb M the thing.

And we were jamming earlier, like English

shuts us up to fail because that's really

saying anything other than that is kind of a little strange.

Like it just doesn't, it's not like that socially acceptable

and it's just like weird language.

Other languages.

So I recommend also study other languages in the way

that they express emotions.

Like my background is study Chinese in Arabic,

Hindi, Urdu, Latin, all these things.

Like other languages provide other options

to express emotions like in Chinese, in Mandarin, for instance,

you could say, I am sad.

You would say,

wuhen shangshin, war means eye,

hen means very shangshin means sad.

There is no verb expressing is in that sentence.

So the implication of that structure is sadness

is something that is passing through me

in this moment.

So you mean Arabic, you can say I am sad

on a hazin, I am sad.

I am on a hazin sad.

You could also say undi hazin,

which means like, I have sadness.

It's something I could pick up and put down,

it's passing through.

And I'm saying that she say I have to say like,

you would never say that in English.

It gets eye sadness or eye sadness, you sound strange.

No, you sound strange.

So I think the most practical way is to say a part of me feels,

but then you know, and then the deeper is understand

the implications of your words.

You know, when it's raining, you don't become rain,

but when you say I am sad,

you're becoming the thing that you feel.

And it's, you know, a small thing,

but it compounds over and over and over again,

especially in light of like,

we're in this amazing wellness renaissance.

We're encouraged so much so to go within

and feel how we feel and surrender to it.

It's amazing.

But we don't think about how we self express these things.

And that I think is the most practical way

to make the woo-woo, the spiritual,

the vulnerable, real and textured and practicals think about that.

Very practical.

There's even just one thing everyone takes away.

We all feel negative emotions throughout the day,

doubts, fears, whatever.

Just simply saying, out loud,

because if you don't say it, then by default,

you're ascribing these emotions to the totality of you anyway.

So you say there's a part of me that is uncertain.

There's a part of me that is angry.

Just even that alone is energetically shifting everything.

Absolutely, energetically and practically.

And I think if you want to take it a step further

and sound a little bit crazy,

but there's these researchers at University of Michigan.

I've shown that this across a couple of different biomarkers,

it effectively calms your nervous system in one second

is to speak in the third person to yourself.

And maybe you first.

So what does that sound like?

It's, again, it doesn't use the a part of me application,

but you say, man, cases,

cases feeling anxious right now.

Or case, case thinks he looks ridiculous right now.

That's a good one.

Because it does something very proactive.

It won't, in a make sense,

when you think of it in the context.

So what I say, David feels angry.

It's like a part of David feels angry.

Yeah, even better.

Even better.

Now combining two parts.

Double down on it.

Now you sound real weird, but it's perfect.

Part of David is perfect.

And people would think I'm a narcissistic, egotistical.

But think about what it does.

I'm going to be like, talking to him.

And that's their commentary.

You can let them deal with the weight of that judgment.

But think about what you're doing.

I mean, you're moving from being a participant

in the emotion to being an observer.

I mean, I think it feels so powerful, because I'm saying it.

Like we're friends.

And like, if you were to give me advice on something,

you can give me really great objective advice.

And that's because you are invested emotionally

in our friendship, but also you're an observer.

You're not, it's not raining on you.

It's raining on me.

You have the ability to step aside a little bit

to get that objectivity.

And that's what language does.

You know, it's interesting now that I think about it

when I'm communicating with people,

and I'm giving my opinion to them,

or they ask me for help.

I don't often say, I think this,

because I think it's very intense for people,

to say the totality of me believes this about you.

I'll say something like, you know, there's a part of me.

I say, I don't know.

There's a part of me that feels maybe this.

And I find it to be like not so intense for them

to receive it.

They don't feel shame.

They don't feel like they lose their free will.

Kind of say, hey, there's a part of me.

I also could be, it's like they can handle that better.

They can receive that better.

At least that's something I've seen.

I know that I talk to people that way,

but when it comes to ourselves, we're very hard on ourselves.

We are constantly, I think one of the biggest

soul corrections humanity has is, we don't realize it.

We punish ourselves, and we're so hard on ourselves,

much harder than we are on other people.

And as a result, we're lowering our vibration,

and we're lowering the energy that we can actually

give to other people.

So we're really fighting ourselves all the time,

which is the crux of what you're saying.

Yeah, I mean, I always have a couple of soundbites

I always repeat, is that words bind us in place

or set us free.

Very true.

Word to bind us in place or set us free.

I mean, it's, how do you express an emotion

is permanent or not?

We're not going to say this emotion is permanent.

We're going to use words like, I am, I always, you know,

if, doubt, even in relationships when you're upset

with someone, you tell them, you always,

you always make me feel bad.

You always are late.

You always are something like that.

A little off camera laughter.

Off camera.

Yeah, I mean, exactly, exactly.

I mean, it's words construct reality.

We shouldn't be doing that.

Words construct reality.

So if we want a reality that supports our visualization,

our delusion, the thousand light bulb that we want,

we have to evolve our vocabulary.

The limits of our vocabulary are the limits

of our perspective.

So powerful.

What came to my mind now is, I remember this woman

talking to me about how she can be better with her husband.

And she's such an intense person.

So she always speaks in these like,

absolutes and extremes.

And one of the things we were talking about

is like how men and women need always like a way out.

Like what's the way they can save face?

What's the path they can take to solve a problem?

And when she was always telling her husband,

like you always, as you always that,

obviously it's not true.

Like he's not always this insensitive person

or always like whatever, he shuts down

because he's like, well, what's the point?

If I'm always that, I have no,

I have no reason to live.

I have no reason to be in this relationship.

I apparently cannot even help you

because I'm always this person.

As opposed to changing your verbage.

And obviously there's probably so many other better ways

to say it, but absolutes are very powerful.

And you should probably only be used very sparingly.

Absolutely.

I mean, again, you're on my end of the spectrum.

You're training your brain to construct your reality.

And absolutes is like the period at the end of a sentence

that says this is true.

And you're not leaving much wiggle room.

Or it's like when people speak in all caps.

Like, I'm always talking to you like this.

Why are you so do you got me?

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, yes, there's so much overlap between your work,

your the wisdom of your teachings,

and then just the practicality of language.

Maybe just to wrap up, is there any phrase

that you think helps people unlock that alignment

that we've been talking about,

the connection between the 60 watt, the 1000 watt?

Is there any particular verb, phrase, adjective, construct

that really comes to your mind?

There's so many that I've shared,

but the one I use practically for myself all the time

is whenever I walk into a room with new people

or new circumstances or an event.

And this happens to all of us.

You will immediately be confronted with what you don't have.

Very interesting thing, you walk into a room.

Even when you walk into a coffee shop,

why are you walking into a coffee shop

because you don't have something, you don't have the coffee,

you don't have a good feeling, you don't have whatever.

You walk into an event, you walk into a party,

you're thinking, what do I not have that someone else has?

What can this person give me?

Your lack comes up immediately when you walk into a room

and lack attracts lack.

So if you really think about it,

99 out of 100 times when you walk into a new space

with new people, we are dropping our vibration

because we feel like we're missing something

or we need something.

And we have to catch that as quickly as possible

to elevate our vibration.

Otherwise, you won't see miracles in this place

that you went to.

So last night I went to an event.

And as soon as I walked in,

I didn't even look at the room.

I was like, I reminded myself, I have everything.

I need nothing.

I want everything, but I need nothing.

So I kept doing these variations.

I need nothing, I want everything, I have everything.

So I was really in this place of wholeness.

I am also anything that makes me feel whole inside

because when you feel whole, then you really give.

When you feel needy, then everything you do

is coming from a place of you're trying to take something.

And other people can feel that.

Yes.

And so this is the worst feeling.

It's the worst energy to have.

100%.

I tell people it's like having spiritual BL.

You wouldn't walk into a room.

If you're a physical BL, everyone would be like,

oh, they would step away from you.

But people don't realize that they have spiritual BL.

Inspirational BL is when you walk into a room needy.

I have spiritual BL.

It's called neuroception, the way that we scan other people

to see if we feel safe and comfortable with them.

So we're doing that.

Yeah, we're always doing that.

And the subtle cues that you're referencing,

they come from deep within deciding that you're whole,

but then they absolutely manifest in the way that you walk,

the way that your eyes look around the room,

the way that you carry yourself, other people pick up on that.

When you decide that you're whole,

it has that interesting effect of you

make other people feel safe around you.

Because you're not chasing, you're not asking,

you're not driven by an agenda.

So it has a beautiful effect, such that then people

want to give you more and make you more than whole.

Correct, because it's a beautiful thing.

People, it's like how you want to give more work to a busy person.

A person who's already excelling,

you want to give them even more.

A person who has a lot of time,

you're like, the reason they have a lot of time

is because they're not getting anything done.

Yeah, it's a beautiful cycle.

So if people are listening to us

and they're thinking, okay, practical next steps,

what are things that they can get from both of us?

Next step, take them to the next level.

Would you recommend people read your book?

Would you like to be able to listen to your podcast?

Would you recommend people get,

I mean, your posts are insanely engaging.

And I have very few content creators I've seen in the world

have that as much engagement as you have.

Literally everything you post is an aha moment

and your carousels are phenomenal.

What would you say for a new listener to listen to you?

Yeah, well, thank you.

I mean, I try to capture what we're talking about here

in 12 words snippets.

So that's what I do on Instagram, red pen.

Yeah, I mean, I talk about this on my podcast all the time,

which you're obviously sitting on.

Yeah, if you're my audience and you're not familiar with case,

like he is the one with the signature red pen post

and I think it's all over Instagram

and it says, it's not your face.

So I think once people see those posts and they go,

wait, I've seen this everywhere.

This is why you're a real one.

You're on my podcast promoting me on my podcast.

So thank you.

Well, I know my audience is driving them to you.

So they're going to be a lot of energy for the person.

I have written a couple of books you can find on my Amazon.

I do a lot of workshops and keynotes,

which bring me life.

Similar to, I'm sure you have found so much energy

and learnings of your own through doing workshops,

coachings, doing things outside of a podcast studio

is really what brings me life.

So I love doing keynotes for companies, whatever it may be.

It's, that brings me life.

I love that.

You have a great stage presence as well.

Thank you.

And what about you?

What do you have going on?

For me, if people are new, I would say that

just like you have like 90 second clips every day

that I give about consciousness and energy

on Instagram and social, I have my podcast.

And just like you keep it short,

15, 20 minutes every day, energy of the week,

what to expect.

And then I have like master classes

that people can pay whatever they want for

that are go much deeper into like the soul.

One on love and relationships, one on prosperity.

And when people want to go deeper,

then they kind of engage in my master classes.

Cool.

Well, be sure to check David out.

He's got amazing teachings.

You can see how it really blends well with mine.

And you know, I've seen you speak

and you've got a magnetism to you.

So thank you for your service.

Thank you.

Thanks for being here.

Thank you for having me.