A Numbers Game | September 2, 2026 | Hour 2

0:00the story of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the GO ivos Mark Bortrenlil later on, Tady Wishneve and Nick Whalen.

1:00All will be on the show. We'll do our NFC power rankings here momentarily. We get tweets beating the book. Best listeners in the game. Have I mentioned that today? I mean it. Just great tweets. Dr. Van Noesstraid. I don't know if this is a great one. Dr. Van Noesstraid, but I'm about to read it. Despite Kelly's hatred for Herbert. I don't know what that had to do with anyway. He said, if a team goes relatively far in on the playoffs and their defensive end has like 16 sacks, and one of two of those highlight plays, these by the way, punctuation's all of the place. Can he win defensive player of the year? If so, can't I find odds on Tully Pallotu for it? He had 13 sacks last year. And then he clarifies and thank God, because I need a clarification. Even though the vote is before the playoffs, you get what I mean. And if Donald steals two votes from Miles Garrett, that only helps. Okay. He likes, he likes that long shot. But, all right. We had good numbers last year. Minky Monkey Man. That is your real name. Come on, Gail. Everyone knows mining your peas and cuisirs from 17th century bartenders making drinks

2:01with a pint and a quart to track drinks ordered. Thought a T total, a T totaler like yourself would know that. Did people, right? Did people actually know this or did everybody just go Google it? I don't know. I don't know. I'm assuming everybody just Googled it. Charles and Connecticut, based on that draft King's betting map, sounds like Will Hill should consider moving his clan to Tennessee. That's right. His ridiculous love of the Tennessee Titans on the megabot. Johnny Brock, did you do any research on how teams that travel early and or later to overseas games fair in the following weeks games? I did not. What do you want for me? That do the first one first. But maybe I should. Oh, Jonathan Doe wanted me to ask Will, what kind of wager he placed at the window was it a complicated or lengthy wager? Have you had the hump day? That's what I was making fun of him for. Because I will. Well, I have seen the ticket writers get upset off of that. And it's kind of understandable. I mean, like a busy NFL Sunday or seven minutes before kick off and you get the guy who goes up to the window, I'm like, all right, seven leg parlay. I'm going to lay it out for you. And then they can't figure out what teams they're doing.

3:02Where's my money yet? Big boom. I hope I'm pronouncing that right? Were you bullish on an American winning the US Open preflopper was a drew or the bear? Wasn't me. I have our Alcaraz. I don't know if it was drew or the bear. I don't remember either of them saying that. I heart SEC podcast has been using Phil Steele's 2026 projections to create hypothetical SEC versus big 10 challenge matchup lines, project point spreads and overunders check it out. He says, okay, good job. I oh, yeah, S 69 talking about the will hill segment and the whole conflict he had with the ticket writer. I oh, yeah, 69 says football, bonanza, funny buddy, having a difficult time to try to figure out this whole FB phrase. Football, but oh, the RGB commenting on the person earlier who just regurgitated everything I said in a tweet back at me said, Gil, think of it this way. We're not repeating you on purpose. It's just that. Fesik is rubbing off. That's right. The great aggregator sky high. Pretty sure will called her a buck in Fitch.

4:07Will best best listeners ever. Willie be betting love the breakdown of the Melbourne game. Gil, my two senses. We're gonna be affecting different Rams players differently. Some will have no problem adjusting while others will be visibly affected. Could make for some live player prop betting opportunities. That's an angle. And then Scotty just checked in the handle. Whalen sports is currently available on Twitter. Talk about Nick Whalen now. He said, should we shake up the industry and have Nick change it live on air. Imagine no more explaining number one instead of the letter L. Man, people get to make a hard time over this. I've never really got it. Matt Brown like has major issues with this. With his Twitter handle. Certain things set man off. That's why we really get it. Jesse Welch, you can bet on exact world series matchups like you all did at draft kings. You just have to build it yourself by parlaying both teams to win their respective leagues. And he says he's always been under the assumption that mining your peas and queues stood for parentheses and quotation marks and it originated from early newspaper writers. Okay. I see.

5:07See if you if you told me the answer that others have come with and then what Jesse sent in and said one of these is real and one of them is it. I would say Jesse's absolutely right. That sounds that sounds more right. Make even though I don't think it is. Mako Shades and Mako, can we please continue the multiple entry discussion? There has to be a point of diminishing returns. Correct. That's the phrase that I've always used. The large teams are burning a lot of actual money when they get to execute their advantage. Burn money to gain EV. They distribute risk. How is the EV added? I mean, I really for me, it's just the first thing that comes to mind is Thanksgiving and Christmas, right? Because I've always said there is a point diminishing returns. That's why I never get 10. That's why I was always like, I'll just get six. Because you're going to play them proportionally the same way. Eventually you only play one optimally. But I do think it makes huge a huge deal obviously, right? If you get to Thanksgiving or Christmas, that's when size matters, if you will. I mean, like, come on. If you have all money, if money is not a concern at all, yeah.

6:09I mean, of course, the right thing to do, right, Gil? I mean, if money is not an issue, the right thing to do first week is you're putting all 10 on one side on Wednesday or Thursday and then rebye. And then J. Rod, very excited for Todd's appearance later, says, give Gil the business tidy. All right. We'll see what happens. You ready to do our power rankings in the NFC? Let's do it. We did power up. Mine 105 San Francisco. Yeah, we need to get back to it. We do some good rock stations that you guys let's see. Let's see. Let's shout them out during that. All right. This was a little funcier than the AFC. Ooh, you know, I had more fun with the AFC. Me, that's what I mean. No, this was a little, this was a little weird. Let's go 16 to one. Cardinals are 16. Sorry, Cardinals, your last. Saints 15. I know that's going to be controversial because a lot of people think the Saints are going to win the NFC South. I listen, Tyler Schuck wildly inaccurate beyond 20 yards.

7:10You know what, you know, it's funny as much as they've been talked about this off season, there should be as much reaction to that as your Steelers won yesterday, but there won't be. There won't be because it's the Steelers. Yep. I got the Giants 3rd to last and the commanders 4th to last. Giants 14th, commanders 13th. Don't ever accuse me of being a homer. I think they're going to suck about the common one. Can I try to get some credit the other day? The almost shot it down 12 bucks. A lot of a lot of NFC South here at the bottom right ahead. Saints 15 and it's the bucks 12 the Falcons 11th, the Panthers 10th. Given the Panthers a little respect. A lot of Bryce Young has really avoided sacks. Well, cut down on the turnovers. I don't know if he's any good per Kelly Bidlin, but I got him 10th. Then I think we will all have the same top nine. That's my guess. Maybe not. I got the Bears 9th. Just the defense is just I can't I can't make them higher because of that. Vikings 8 Cowboy 7 Packers 6.

8:12Remember the Packers have gotten the playoffs three years in a row at seven. I've got him at six this year. And then the top five in the NFC probably no surprise. Niners 5 equals 4 Lions based on schedule 3. Seahawks 2. I will give the Rams the respect of all their phenomenal offseason acquisitions at one. But I do think from a betting standpoint, the Seahawks value is all over the place. But the Rams deserve to be number one. Yeah, well said. Well, well said about the top two. Mine were exactly the same. I I love this exercise sometimes because the three are the same. Yeah, because I don't know how many times we've really sat here and talked about like, okay, who are the third? What's the third best team in the NFC? Right. I don't know, Gil. I put the Lions there. I made my aggressive stand. Yes. Number four bears. Okay. That's our only big difference here. I'm a believer. I'm a believer in Ben Johnson. What's going on there in Chicago? I think I think it could be big. What I, I could decide how aggressive I wanted to get here because what do I really feel

9:14like in my heart, Gil, is that by the end of the year, bears, Vikings or cowboys were talking about being that third maybe fourth date in the NFC. Oh, go forth. Heading into the season. Like I got to give the Eagles some credit with that defense is still so dang good. Yes, I have major concerns about what that offense is going to look like this year with no AJ Brown there. I think that passing game could struggle again. 49ers with all the injuries. Just don't know where to put them. Right. If we go back to like your bet on the night. So we do them this a month ago. They're probably number three for me. Right. Totally. Okay. So I got to move that around. They come in at six Packers seven cowboys eight Vikings nine, but like three through nine Gil. I think you could make an argument for any of those teams. I agree. I think Vikings are going to be sneaky good this year. A little bit of tomato tomato on those. Yeah. So you are right. We had the same top nine just different order and then yeah, it is five. Bottom seven. That's where the NFC South belongs. I did start with the bucks 10 there. Commanders up higher.

10:14Commanders 11 giants 12 Saints 13. Falcon's 14 Panthers 15 Cardinals 16. Very similar. The bears are the biggest difference. Yep. And they kind of look. Look, man, I that was the last adjustment to these because I hated how how boring on the market I was at the top. And I was like, I'm going to put one of these teams up there. Let me take a stand on one of these. Well, what's interesting here with the NFC is juxtaposed against yesterday. This one. There really wasn't any. I guess you could say I had the St. Second Alast. Maybe you could make you know, you could quibble about that and say that's a big deal. The AFC though, I had the Texans way lower than most and the Steelers way lower than most. Like those are definitely my opinion versus the market. But the other lesson in this just based on you and me doing this is generally speaking, we kind of have in our minds a pretty similar. We could be completely wrong.

11:16We could be completely right. Most likely we're somewhere in between. Right. I don't I will be less surprised if there are more surprises than the NFC. If that makes sense. I agree. Like there's a lot of these teams. Lions, the schedule. I think it just keeps them safe. Like I don't really know how good they are. I get that they have some problems. But the schedule makes them three Eagles, Niners, Packers, Cowboys. We a lot of these teams if they were not that great would not shock Eagles defense is still spec. Tacular. Don't know about the office of the Eagles defense certainly is Tim Murray College football next right here on a numbers game. A numbers game on FESET. The sports betting network. That is channel keys to success for bedbed evidence match quote get your grind on unquote. It's good analysis. The fashion course. These just infoney enjoy the moment.

12:17Great analysis for tennis. You know, think you're better than the experts. By the way, now's your chance to prove it. The edge boost average joke contest puts you in the same pick and format as the circuit Friday football invitation. All the one the pros play top average Joe earns a spot next year's circuit in the T. It's free to play. You can register any time during the season to be eligible for weekly quarterly and season long prizes each week. The high score wins a $1,000 edge boost deposit. Just make sure you got a funded edge boost account sign up at edge boost dot IO with promo code V sin enter the contest today at vason.com slash Joe that's vason.com slash Joe. I was sort of tripping on the break. Lisa that when I was at came early you said you're tripping you always tripping. Yeah, I used to have a listener to the loves on a cameo. His name was Cassem so smooth. That was the used to call from a pay phone. That's how long ago this was. He used to call from a pay phone somewhere in Oakland and he used to say me, you tripping like Scotty Pippin. That was his big thing. Where was he listening to you on? I guess he had a radio. I was tripping on the break because I said this thing about McDonald's updating their

13:19signs when I was a kid. And I felt like when I was saying that I'm a thousand years old. I remember that. So I actually look at this. McDonald's used to update their numbers on their roadside signs to show running tally of total hamburgers sold starting at one million in 1955 and then climbing over the decades. They hit 20 billion in 1976 50 billion in 1984 80 billion in 1990. The running count stopped and froze at over 99 billion around 93 or 94 and then they had an annual convention. The annual McDonald's convention in 1994 and they decided to replace the updating digits with the static text that read billions and billions served. There you go. That's what it actually says now. It says billions and billions. Dude, I remember it. Like there was one on a Tim Murray may know this Tim Murray joins us now courtesy of the progressive guest line. McDonald's locations in Washington DC. That's exactly what's going to happen. There was a McDonald's Tim. Tim, you know, East West highway between Bethesda and Silver Spring. There's McDonald's there. Yeah. That's the one we used to pass it. We'll always go with like 35 billion, 40 billion.

14:20It was used to update. Tim, by the way, the host of a decent prime time, the co-host of decent prime time and if listen, it's all about college football with Tim because he's got the decent college football tailgate show and the decent college football betting podcast, follow him on Twitter at one Tim Murray. You remember that one, huh? East West highway. I do. Yeah. You are, you are closer to the city than I was. I was in Rockville. So I was a little bit further back. I remember the day that Cabin John Mall switched from Roy Rogers to McDonald's. That was a sad day. I was a sad day. I was a big fan of the double barberder, man. You got a couple drum sticks and then you go to the fix and bar and just load up on pickles. See, Matt, Matt and humans doesn't know anything about Roy Rogers. He doesn't know about that. He probably does. Does he? I've never been. But I started working at Frederick Hill a couple years, I guess 15, 16 years ago. They still had Roy Rogers. That was a big day when I started working for the Frederick Keys and I could go to Roy Rogers for lunch. So there are apparently a few Roy Rogers still around.

15:21Didn't we just look this up? Oh, yeah. I think it's the double R-border. Oh, so good. All right, Tim, again, I've asked this event all college football folks. You learned anything from week zero, anything? Yeah, a little bit. UNC's not as bad as we thought. I think defensively that they're a capable bunch. I think people overlooked that pretty good defense last year. They just enjoyed ragging on them. Certainly, I did as well. But the defense is capable. Schedules really challenging. I think UNC probably a bowl team in that discussion as opposed to where their win total was. Memphis, you don't want to try to over-react too much, but I think there are legitimate contender for the bid to the college football playoff from the G6. And I'm going to monitor North Dakota State here. I was a little bit lower on them. Still, a little bit hesitant to jump full in to the deep end here on North Dakota State, but they looked the part. Very athletic. Certainly had the size, but they still have to go on the road to the perceived top four

16:23teams in the mountain west. But I'm not going to take too much away. Look, USC's got studs as freshmen. They won by 16 scores very misleading. They're up 35 to three. They took their foot off the gas. So if you laid the chalk with USC or took their team total over, I know that was a loser for you, but I'm not going to take too much away from USC. And they, what was truly a preseason game. The crowd would tell you it was a preseason game as well out there at the Coliseum. By the way, I just mentioned Tim's shows. People should know the college football betting podcast is spectacular. Oh, it's amazing. He's the hardest working podcaster at this network. It's great. And that is two guys sitting here. They do a podcast great. Great. Yes, it's great. All I see in my email all week long is export from this podcast. And it's just over and over because Tim cares and he loves it. He loves the content. It's just a job. Tim says, let's just praise Tim Murray for the next five minutes. Thank you. Thank you. This has been great. Appreciate it. I appreciate it. All right. Let's, let's, let's bounce around the country here. We'll go random.

17:23Let's start with the, with Coach Prime and the Buffalo's heading to Georgia Tech, where the yellow jackets are seven point favorites. Yeah, I feel like this could be potentially. And now look, it's week one. Let's dip our toe in. Don't go too crazy. We're not throwing 10 unit mega locks out there for week one. Maybe some people are, I'm not certainly going to do it. I took the seven here with Colorado, Gil. And you know, it's, it's a bit of a leap of faith. You know, it, it feels like Colorado, as we just talked about UNC, nobody wanted to bet on UNC last week, because of just everything that unfolded in year one. It's year four of Coach Prime. Things have seemingly gone sideways a little bit. They're not getting the hype that they had just a couple years ago. Very intrigued to see what this offense is going to look like. The go-go offense they bring in Brennan, Marion, an innovative offense, a coordinator. He was at Sacramento State as their head coach a year ago. And more so, this is a bit of a fate of Georgia Tech from EGIL, because, you know, they lost Buster Faulkner, their offensive coordinator. He goes to Florida. They lose Haynes King, their quarterback. It's kind of a do everything type of quarterback for them.

18:25And they lost their backup quarterback and Aaron Filo, who followed Buster Faulkner to Florida. And he'll be the starter for the Gators. So they're going to go with Fernando Mendoza's little brother, Alberto. We'll see how good he is. Maybe he's going to shock the world like his older bro did last year. But if you're giving me a full touchdown in a game that I think probably should be lined in that four to five range, I'll happily take a full touchdown here with some uncertainty with the Ramblin wreck down in the ATL. I will give you a full touchdown. By the way, what price would you have needed year one of Coach Prime that he would still be coaching the Buffalo's in year four? 15 to one. I was going to say has to be high, right? What's taking so long? Why isn't he in Tallahassee? Why isn't he in Tallahassee by now, Tim? What are we doing? You should probably win football games, Kelli, in order to get a job like Florida State. The obvious answer. But the guy who's scurly there isn't doing that. So what's the difference? That is not true. Tips that you should probably get into we could get into finances down there.

19:25Florida State, they were looking around for a quarterback and they had lots of quarterbacks come to Tallahassee and they said, we'll give you this. They said, I will leave that door right now. See you later. That's why Ashton Daniels is the starting quarterback for Florida State this year. Wilhelm was on earlier. He's taken the Louisville Cardinals plus the points against Ole Miss. What are you doing? I'm arriving with my ginger brother. Look, I am infatuated with Louisville this year. Lincoln Keenholz, an unknown. You know, as we look for the Heisman market, we do this in all sports. We try to buy low, try to buy on the unknown. And that's kind of what Lincoln Keenholz is. You know, we saw him get a start. I believe it was in the cotton bowl when Ohio State had nobody playing against Missouri a couple years ago. But everything you heard about Lincoln Keenholz in Columbus when he was the backup to Julian Sain was the athleticism as off the charts. And this is just a true dynamic athlete. And now he goes to Jeff Brahms, a quarterback whisperer. And I think this is to me guys, this is the most intriguing game of week one.

20:26Nashville to a neutral site game. You've got Ole Miss with Pete Golding now as the full-time head coach, Trinidad Chamblis comes back for another year. He was exceptional obviously when he took over the reins there for Ole Miss when Austin Simmons got hurt. And you have Kiwan Lacey who you could argue is the best running back in college football. I just have some questions about Pete Golding being a full-time head coach. Did a great job in the immediate aftermath of Lane Kiffin. Now you've got the off season. And Jeff Brahms, as an underdog, this is a guy you want to back. You think back to two, I think back to last year guys, two touched out underdog at Miami, they pull off the outright upset. So once again, it's that number. You give me a full seven. I'll happily take it. There were some seven and a half in the off season. Maybe we get there, but I did grab the seven. I think seven minus 105 still out there at Circa. Because I just love backing Jeff Brahms as an underdog. And I'll tell you what guys, I have a very long shot Heisman future on Lincoln, Keen, we'll set a 110 to one

21:27that I will look either really smart come Monday morning or you'll be like, you bet that guy to win the Heisman trophy. You're an idiot. We should not listen to the college football betting podcast. Don't worry. We once bet to Talia Tagaviloa for Heisman and within one half, he threw three picks. So he could be worth right before a Thursday night. Yeah, it's a good one. We were smart right before K. quarterback for Maryland. They played Iowa. Maybe that sounds right. Maybe. Oh, that was a Friday night game. Kelly, why you got bring them up? Oh, there. Yeah, I probably would. Friday night game. Maryland was catching three. Oh, home dog. This would be a good spot. I think Iowa scored another touchdown just five minutes. I think that was it. It's like 51 to 30. I think that was the guy. That was it. 30 seconds Tim. It's not official Tim Murray segment without a Notre Dame fighting Irish take there. Three touchdown favorites against Wisconsin. I'll be there. I made an voyage to Lambo. Wow. Sunday, I looking forward to it. Not going to lay the chalk here, but I do think just reading the tea leaves a little bit could be some injuries on Wisconsin's offensive line.

22:29Notre Dame, their mantra this offseason is leave no doubt. So this could be a weapon. And for Notre Dame, if they want to win the national title for the first time since 88, I think they need to make a statement on Sunday night. Not going to lay it, but I wouldn't take it either with Wisconsin. Just go to Milwaukee. Tell me no Tim Murray. Everything's free. Boom. There you go. No. Thank you, Tim. Appreciate it, man. Tim Murray, everybody. See you guys at one Tim Murray. Nick Whale enjoyed this on the other side. Football next. A numbers game on FESET. These sports betting network back at a numbers game. Live from Circa Resort, casino downtown Las Vegas, Gill Alex and their Kelly Bidlin. So overlooking the world's largest, most gorgeous sports. But look at that thing. Look at that thing. Lights everywhere. Oh, you actually look at it. Nope. Still working on the escalators. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The pulley systems gone though. I'm just, I'll say it again. There is an escalator outdoors.

23:30Right in the middle of the strip on the east side of the strip right in front of the, that the wall greens were harmin and easel or harmin and south Las Vegas boulevard intersect. Where the wall greens and the bubblegum shrimp and Taco Bell that part. That escalator does not work 96.4% of the time. It's wild. I've, there's so many in this city. Yeah. I see joke about the company, but like so often they're broken. It's just crazy that you get a good like you can see inside them and kind of see how like escalators work. There's a lot more going on there than I thought than I would have thought. Then it puts into perspective how crazy some of these are that like how there's can't be any other city in the world where there's more of these like the three story high ones. Right. Like, like get up the stadium swim one or some of these ones that go up to clubs in these cities. I'm like, this is the one. They'll take me up three stories. Don't want it stadium swim is makes you a little dizzy. Yes. It's a massive log escalator, man. Kinarcy Bourne 65 on Twitter.

24:31I'd like you to share with the best listener. This is great. We usually get one like this. I would like you to share with the best listeners of the game that one of the many reasons why I love my girlfriend is that she's always railing on me. If I'm not hitting 53 53% of my bets, she's the best. That sounds like he had he had to do that. I go ahead and follow question. Does that was that mean do you mean unlike like she doesn't expect you to win every single one? Or like she gets mad at the losers because she knows where the cutoff point is for weight. I love that he has was she's the best. She's the best sports dive only. The Saints being number 15. Gilles interesting. You must be fading Tyler Schuck this year. Yes, I am. Not accurate. Not accurate beyond a certain distance. Jason MacGalik wholly inaccurate. Jason McKinney. I'd be pretty upset if I was behind Will Hill and I heard him call the lady at the counter a farting bovine, especially knowing how bad methane destroys the environment. I can't think of anything worse than that. There's his FB. And then people were sending in rock radio stations.

25:33John John Landon, Appleton, Wisconsin, the rock and apple 105.7 WAPL. And right. He said, does this include properly announcing the station? He said WROQ 95, the album station. I'm not sure where that is. All right, we got a whole bunch. And then Los Vegas 514 about McDonald's or Roy Rogers in the DMV. He says, yo, a childhood memory that I remember. Well Roy Rogers three left in the DMV area. Alexandria Virginia, Frank Coney of Virginia and Waldorf, Maryland. The double burger, a classic cheeseburger top with a slice of ham. Yummy. That's right. They had a ham on it. You what? Broves great. I mean, like I'd try it. Don't that doesn't sound great. Don't sleep on Roy Rojet. I've never seen that. I would I would try that. Like it's not like it's disgusting or anything. I mean, it would say ham bacon. You know what it was? It was an actual thick burger. It wasn't this. Yeah. Bull, right? So great. Nick Whale enjoys this now courtesy of Progressive Gas Line. He is the co-host of prop points.

26:36You know, the football off season, right? Yep. With Jeff Erickson. And they give away to John Hanson during the football season. But of course, he's also Rotawire senior analyst. You could follow him on Twitter at Whalen. Yes. The one replaces the L. It's Nick Whalen, everybody. How you doing, Nick? Doing well, guys. I guess kind of the former host of prop points, at least for the time being. I believe the plan is for us to be back after the Super Bowl. Just like we've done the last couple of years. But you can find me now on serious XM Monday through Thursday, one to three PM Eastern. So, you know, I got to talk a lot of football this time of year. Eventually, Kelly and like a month, month and a half. I think I could strong arm some NBA content onto that show. But always good to be here with you guys. It's a Pulse Tune. It's like Reneky and Lowenstein and Leftfield for the order. Exactly. Yeah, I can't hit lefties. Yeah. There you go. Can't hit lefties. They're kind of future hosts of prop points. Nick, how many fantasy football leagues are you in? And are you happy with all of your drafts? Oh, boy. Man, if we're if we're counting best ball, we're well into double digits, probably 20 plus at this point.

27:39But you know, best ball is kind of a different animal. Not a lot of in-season management. They're really none at all. You just do the draft and then it kind of auto-computes for you. So I have four or five more drafts that I'll be doing still before week one begins next week. A lot of those take place over the weekend. I would say I'm actually happier than normal on balance with my drafts. I am just a card carrying pessimists in general, especially when it comes to anything sports related. So like I usually come out of a draft and I'm thinking more about the picks I wish I would have made than the good picks I made. But for the most part, I've left most of my drafts this year feeling okay. There was one that I did, a 14-teamer, which I would not advise. There's a huge difference between a 12 and a 14-team league as far as what your team looks like, how many elite players you're able to get. That one went completely awry. I have like one of the worst running back rooms I've ever assembled. I need Travis HN to basically have a Christian McCaffrey type of season dev. Any chance in that league. But overall, we're feeling okay as we get closer to week one. Last fantasy question. Who is the one fantasy player drafted high-ish in fantasy drafts this year

28:42that you under no circumstances was going to pick? Because you think there is a possibility of a crash on this player. That you just don't buy into this player's success like others do. Yeah, I mean, there's two guys for me in round one. And I was in a draft the other night actually where I was picking fourth. And I think I've decided that's just the worst pick. That's not where I want to be. Because I am not in on Pukka Nakuha. That's kind of the obvious default Nakuha spot. Most drafts are going to see Gibbs, Beijon, Jamar Chase in some order. And then it becomes a little bit more of a debate. You could take Jonathan Taylor. You could push up someone like James Cook. I took JSN at the one four. But Pukka Nakuha is clearly the guy with the highest ceiling at that spot. I just can't do it. And the offseason stuff is one thing. There's a potential suspension coming. I saw there was something from another ex-girlfriend that came out yesterday. I have no idea what's going on off the field. It's been a terrible last few months for Nakuha. But I really just worry about the style of play. I mean, he's incredibly fun to watch. He's probably the second or third best receiver in the NFL in my eyes. But it's just he takes so many hits.

29:44He has such high usage in that Rams offense. Last year, he was in and out of the blue medical tent. It felt like every single week. He's just somebody that I think coming off of kind of an all-time great season last year. It's going to be really tough. I think for him to stay healthy enough to replicate that. Nick, what is your most killing? I just did our AFC power rankings. Yes, we did our NFC power rankings today. And we throw out the caveat like, hey, this is what they are. We don't know if we know anything. Maybe we're completely wrong. Maybe we're somewhat wrong. Maybe we're somewhat right. What's the biggest outlier for you? AFC NFC just to the good or to the bad. Who you have higher than marketer lower? I think at the NFC, I mean, I've definitely higher on Detroit, which we've talked about. And that's not a crazy take. I think they have the four shorty sides right now to win the NFC. But I think in a, if things break right, health wise for Detroit, I think that could be the one seed in the NFC. Maybe they need a little help from the LA Rams to get there. I'm also higher on Dallas.

30:45I know they're about 13 to one right now to win the NFC. I don't know if I'm quite that in. But I think this is a really well-coached team. We've talked about Brian Schott and Heimer as a potential coach of the year. Long shot that I think makes some sense. We'll see on the Eagles if they can survive yet another coaching change in terms of an offensive coordinator, losing AJ Brown. But I think there is a path for Dallas to really have a complete season, which is something they haven't done in a while. Usually it's one side of the ball ends up being great, most often the offense. But I think they at least addressed the things they needed to address defensively. Dallas is a team that I'm high on. And then I still can't quit the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Guys, we've talked about the New Orleans Saints as a team that I like to go over their win total. I still think the NFC South runs through the Buccaneers. Again, not a team to me that I feel like has super bowl potential. I'm not a huge Todd Bowles guy. But you look around at that division. And as much as I'm optimistic about New Orleans, I think there's a ceiling there. I'm not a big Carolina guy. Who the hell knows what's going on with that land.

31:46So I think Tampa Bay is a team that we've kind of cast aside because of how they played down the stretch last season. But if we're starting to look ahead at week one, I think Tampa Bay to cover four and maybe even win outright on the road in Cincinnati is something I would look at. Interesting. Have you bet any awards in the NFL pre-flop? I sprinkle in on some long shots. I think we've talked about Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, some of my favorite MVP long shots. Jalen Hertz is another guy. I just can't quit. I have a group chat where I'm just constantly ridiculed for defending Jalen Hertz. But around 30, 35 to one at some shops for MVP for a guy who has a top two finish to his name. That's something that I've been looking at. Offensive rookie of the year, I gave out Dishon Stribbling at 33 to one a few weeks ago. Back when I was still the host of Prop points. And that is now down to 11 to one. I'm not saying I feel great about it. It's some sort of lock of the century, but it's just a wide open race. I think this year you have some really talented players, but players who are not in great spots, you know, Jeremiah Love in Arizona,

32:49Giderian Price who looks like he might be part of a three headed backfield now in Seattle when Charbonne's back, Carnaultates who had one of the worst pre-season. You could possibly have as a top five pick at wide receivers. So I think that's a market that I would keep an eye on throughout the season. Because I think we're going to see that market ebb and flow really weak to weak because of these talented players kind of landing in bad situations. That's how you get somebody like Stribbling. That's how you get somebody like Jacobi Lane who's 15 to one right now in Baltimore. I said earlier one of the big topic senses of the offseason for me is the quote-unquote neglect of the Seattle Seahawks with all the over the top and perhaps justified love on the LA Rams. The other the sort of the the most popular bet was the Dishon Stribbling offensive rookie the year. How many people did we have made that bet? Oh yeah, multiple people, right? As soon as Ricky Pearce all went down three or four or so. I went down but they decided we've probably finally do surgery on this man's knee a year too late. Nick appreciate that again Nick senior analyst over at Rotawire always appreciate the time Nick thank you.

33:53Anytime guys thanks. A number is game on FESET these sports betting network. Before you place a bet this week ask yourself one question why this number not who you like not your gut lies the spread actually worth betting BTB analytics gives you a real answer their models independently priced every NFL and college football game they compare that projection directly against the market you get the model spread the current market line the cover probability and a quantified edge showing exactly where and by how much their numbers disagree with the book they beat the market every year since launch profitable three years running verified through bet stamp scan the QR code on your screen or go to BTB dash analytics dot com and use code V sin for 10% off that's BTB dash analytics dot com skill Alexander Kelly Bidlin live from circuit we get tweets beat in the book this is from down in jungle

34:54and he says Frederick Maryland Roy Rogersville thriving here look it back on my days in moco you know that is Kelly it's Montgomery County yeah because you know I you knew I didn't know best donuts I've ever had Modos Montgomery donuts and enjoy and enjoying remember when in the DMV talk radio you'll be shocked at what cabin john looks like now wow sure it would be David Donnelly is a great question David Donnelly says we have the we had eight plays yesterday six completed they went three and three we had two holding over from yesterday as there were other matches some haven't even started David Donnelly says with so many matches needing to be completed why does the US open start the regular schedule before the matches in progress it would seem to me that the players would be anxious to get those done it's a great question I think anybody who follows tennis wonders this initially the the pad answer David is that these tournaments specifically here with the US open they would rather not inconvenience more players and fans right so in other words the people who are already scheduled to play

35:56when they're supposed to schedule they'd rather not reschedule them so they just go with that and the fans who might be expecting to watch certain players and then they creatively finish the other matches it is counterintuitive but that's the thinking behind it Tim Murray saying 19 Roy Rogers locations in Maryland most of any state in the US of A about that they said like six states they're still in wow TC says do they have the fixins bar on the gold rush chicken sandwich I'm sure they do and Brian I corn kill if Kelly has never been to Roy's he won't understand living out here in Vegas for 20 years I get cravings whenever Roy's is mentioned headed back to Jersey in November I'm hoping there's still a few on the Jersey turnpike hmm there you go chance copper pot what do you guys do after a 20 and oh run I feel like my bets need to get smaller because I'm about to lose 20 in a row shouts out to the toddy chat chance copper pot humble bragging about 20 and oh 20 and oh what are you doing uh chance I can I mean you know if it was a real question I can answer you honestly that I

36:56can't remember the last time I've had it 20 and oh run if we're being real about it so I don't know what I've done what what I would have done after it I've never had a 20 you know I was because if I've ever had one there was a there was a there was a 2021 tennis run at hard courts which was like 23 and two I mean somewhere ridiculous but it's never 20 and oh ever you and I just don't bet that sort of follow you like I it would if I've ever done it it's 15 years ago because yeah like I don't it would happen in a couple days over like college basketball tournament probably so a couple heat checks here we'll get to uh because we said we're going to get to baseball awards yesterday and somehow we didn't that I just like motorboat over those yeah I thought the same thing when I was afterwards I was like half the same day yeah so we'll take a look at uh siong and MVP which again three out of the four Katie bar the door let's do a heat check on uh wind totals in the national football league we'll do them by conference starting with the aFC well hold on real quick because it's win total Wednesday oh it's looking over or under

37:59it's another edition of win total Wednesday on a numbers game let's go Ryan the voice of decent it's right I don't want to steal his shine Robby always helping with the music all right aFC conference win totals I my favorites remain what they have been throughout the offseason which is the chargers under nine and a half and again it's based on their schedule primarily which after the first two games is a gauntlet an absolute gauntlet of schedule chargers under and then the other one is the Steelers under eight and a half which is juiced a little bit at minus one thirty but those are my two favorite I really I know Steelers fans are gonna go crazy if they they're gonna just destroy me if they win nine games this year but I really do feel that this is and we have a Steelers fans right I think it was a Jason Stark who tweeted this yesterday he's a Steelers fan and even he is worried he's like this could be ugly we might not have enough time for this but you want to go rapid fire team by team just where you would go

38:59okay sure yeah all right Ravens 11 and a half if you had to oh if I had to yep all these if you had to under and I love the race boy go under yeah go under okay bills 10 to half if you had to over because you got four gameies yep over bang is 10 and a half in the AFC East uh bangles over I'll go over I mean I guess I leaned I leaned them for the division so I'll go over over 10 and a half we should say the number chiefs 10 and a half over go under I'm getting more and more concerned about this chief's team is uh as we get closer and closer by the way they are both with the bangles of the chiefs I'm thinking 11 than both Patriots and a half under oh man I think under two definitely and I'm thinking 10 and 7 right or 9 and 8 yeah that's where I yeah I then that's probably the window Texans 9 and a half over but not by much uh over but I think it's like 9 or 10 right not what I would be close to

40:02betting chargers 9 and a half you said that you lean under under I don't lean I love under you love you bet this you bet this no okay I will under it plus money yeah I'm a little interested in that Broncos 9 and a half over over over and that's still a win total I am considering there a team that I've got circled on the calendar I think there's a spot few a few weeks into the season that's better for them jaguars eight and a half this is the this is the one where I'm like can I go eight eight and one and say it's a push like I just have no idea what the jaguars I have no idea where I'm getting with them do you remember how many games they won last year they won no I don't 13 games yeah they won the division yeah map route through that I'd be like a couple of months ago just like things you forget from 20 they won 13 games they were 13 and four 12 all right stealers eight and a half over under under under I'm with you there I think I'm going to bet a to miss the playoffs on the Steelers I think that's how I'm going to bet against them this year you they minus 160 I'm

41:02looking at right now to miss playoffs cold seven and a half under I think there's a disaster scenario completely agree with what you just said I think there's a possibility that too tight and six and a half ta under barely under no interest in betting though Raiders five and a half can the Raiders win six I'll say no under I'll make over I'm gonna go over I think there's enough that they can get by that we're gonna do the rounds five and a half we're gonna do the opposite thing on the grounds I'll say over on the ground I bet the under yeah okay jets five and a half over over and I might bet it before the season starts it's what I keep staring at dolphins three and a half you might be surprised by this I'm going under I don't know if they can win four games you're right they could be epically bad they could be this roster is just brutal man absolutely brutal NFC NFC to the same and her CCO yeah yeah we'll do the same thing okay all right starting at the top we've got Rams 11 and a half it's a big number I'll answer I'm gonna answer before you because

42:07I'm gonna go the I'm gonna go the dolphins route with you I could only bet over but I'm not betting over would be the lane but see Hawks 10 and a half over Lions over over Eagles 10 and a half ah by the way if I don't answer I'm agreeing with Gil munder yeah under there too 49ers 9 over I this is getting she's getting worse worse Gil that's one of my two favorite NFC uh win totals over I'm gonna all right I'll stick with you for now I'm fading the substation packers 9 and a half they're so 10 and seven they're so 10 and seven over I'm going under on the packers this year 9 and a half for the Cowboys over under it goes against my DNA to say over but I'll say over I'll go under they could be great this year I think people forget how healthy they were last year on that offensive side of the bowl bears 9 half over under they'll be the most exciting 9 and 18 member under over Vikings 8 and a half over over Buckingeers 8 and a half under I'll go over

43:11because like Nick Whalen said that they're the only semi-trustworthy team in this conference they just they fall into nine wedst say 7 and a half under yeah under giant 7 and a half under under commander 7 and a half under under Panther 7 and a half over bet it bet it heavily Falcon 7 and a half under what did I say under I bet the under heavily oh not the overall I was going to say Falcon 7 and a half under I'll go over Cardinals 3 and a half over over with you Jacob the two the two conference win totals I like the most oh in the NFC over 9ers so it was it was the NFC was under charters under Steelers in the AFC NFC it's over 9ers over lions okay so the bet the bets that I've made Panthers under 7 and a half browns under 6 and a half as far as win totals go the other last one I said I'm considering and I I probably think I'm going to bet this before

44:15the season is the jets over 5 and a half you love the jet plane they got it up there man you have to play the dolphins twice you played the Titans first week of the season man I don't know I think they're going to be okay by the way they're playing tennis at the US Open just none of our matches yet and we got six today and two pending which will recap I got to read that today and let's go US Open come on Kelly Bidlin tennis better it's right fire to it majorly baseball MVP and Saiyung Heat checks ALNNL next on a numbers game at Vista these sports betting that word