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Yeah, and I've already said it.

Hey, guys, welcome to Actions Determinal.

After Las Vegas,

2026, first race on a mile and a half this season,

feels like, well,

as sure we're going to say, I'm not in a head-filling lane.

We'll forgive you.

It's like 12 hours since winning the race.

The three hours things are getting home.

Nine minutes since waking up.

Just for the record, this was your idea.

Okay.

All right.

What a day.

What a day.

Where do we start?

Fellas.

A Riley Cup.

What do you want to do?

What do you want to talk about?

I think we should start with your race.

Okay.

Cup race.

Man, I just, I knew from the beginning of the weekend

that we had a very good feel in the car.

The coroners were connected.

What I mean by that is that a lot of times when we're talking about cars on

the radio, you'll hear us talk about we're blank on entry,

blank on middle, blank on exit.

It could be tight.

It could be loose.

But this one just kind of was connected to, you know,

it was doing one thing and one thing is usually easy to,

easy to fix and we have so much experience at that racetrack.

I just felt very confident we could get it fixed and that's what we did.

But what about your teammates?

Your teammates also seemed pretty good.

You know, we're in that they would also have one thing to fix and maybe better than you are.

I mean, yes and no.

I just think my style of driving seems to be fast on these mile-and-a-halfs in this next

gen car.

So, you know, it seems like, you know,

Bills qualifies really, really well.

He almost won Vegas, I think, a couple of years ago.

I remember him in Larson.

That was Larson.

That was Larson.

Him and Larson.

Maybe, but also the Logano fuel mileage win.

Wasn't that last year?

That was fall of

24.

Oh my.

Because remember, it got him into the next round.

Yeah.

Wow.

I know.

It feels like

six months ago.

Wasn't the last season.

It was just season two ago.

I know.

Yeah, I mean, all my teammates were good.

Like, in practice, I was able to catch

Bell over the long run.

Actually, Ty Gibbs was able to catch me a little bit in the long run.

We're all really close.

And then Chase was at decent speed as well.

So, we were all close.

Yeah, we're right there.

But I just, I high knew kind of early on in the week.

And then stage one went, how stage one went.

And for us, only to fall back to third when

essentially had I done it all over again, I would have said, okay,

been very clear and here's what I want you to work on.

Even as bad as the balance was, you know, only falling back to third there.

That first stage, it was a good sign.

Yeah, the whole race as it played out, TV kept kept saying,

you know, if Denny falls off the way he did in stage one,

then nine cars going to get to him.

But I guess you knew all along you weren't going to fall off like that again.

Yeah, that was the hope.

The hope was, okay, undo that, go back the other way.

And that should help some of our issues.

And you had miscommunication, though, too, on some of those changes, right?

After the first stop?

Well, we really don't talk about changes or what you're feeling in the car.

Yeah, I said at some point, they asked about the car.

I said, I'm a little bit edgy.

I thought I said, I'm edgy, which basically means, you know, you're really soft with your

inputs because you're afraid to turn the wheel because the back is stepping out.

But I mentioned, I thought that I mentioned that,

yeah, middle of the corner, I'm tight.

That's what I kind of need worked on.

But they worked on the edginess and not the tightness.

And so they doubled it up and we got really tight at the end of stage one.

But came in, fixed that at the end of stage one.

And then we get that penalty.

And it was like, we didn't get a penalty you did.

No, well, we the organization got a penalty.

Right?

That's true.

That sounds like maybe our lights were off.

I mean, I was shocked.

Hey, you were in disbelief, but isn't it, isn't it a black and white call?

Either you are or you aren't?

Yes, but what I'm saying, I'm in disbelief of is that if I run my lights the way you're,

you tell me to, I shouldn't be speeding.

And I thought that I ran my lights very similar to what the team wanted me to run.

And therefore, I was shocked to hear that it was over because they, you know,

they'd give me a little bit of a buffer.

Sorry, I'm yawning.

So it seemed like, and we all sped in the same zone, right?

The very first.

So yeah, you, so that just means I think that we miscalculated as a team distance between the lines

or NASCAR's scoring of that zone, whatever it might be.

Because for all of us to speed in that one spot, that means that it was a,

quote unquote, hotter section than what we thought it was going to be.

You didn't speed the first time.

No, because I'm always, again, if I run my lights correctly, I'm always going to be a little bit under.

But it usually takes me really blowing through one or two red lights that I shouldn't be touching

to, to speed. So maybe if I blink one red light, which is most likely what happened,

I sped, they should, the, the margin for error should be higher than that, typically.

So I think that there was a miscalculation in how hot that section was.

Did you think you were really going to struggle to regain your track position after that?

I, somewhat, I was not overly confident. I switched my goals. I talked about all the time,

how I moved my goal post after every caution, every stage at, you know, what do we got? What,

what is the potential? How can we beat that? And so at that point, yeah, it was like, let's

get back to the top five. That was the goal under caution as I'm letting 30 cars go by.

I just knew, you know, even though we had a, you know, two stages left to go, it just takes so long

to, to get back to the front. And because the arrow on these action cars, it's very, very tough.

This is one of the most aerodynamic sensitive race tracks that we go to because it's very narrow.

It's a very narrow mile and a half. So there's not a lot of places to go whether or not,

like Kansas is much wider of a racetrack, Michigan, much wider. But once we, we took off and I was

about 15 laps in and gained, I don't know, I'm throwing out of number 10 spots and 15 laps,

might have been 15 and 15. That's what it felt like. I was like, there's, there's plenty of time left.

When he told me, put this way, I think he came on the radio. I know you listened to the radio,

that we were 14th and we hadn't even pitted yet to get to the middle of that stage. I was like,

yeah, we're good. We're fine. Did you have to make big adjustments to the car after being in traffic?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we came back in after we, we got the speeding penalty. I said, come back,

let's come back down and do, do more. So how does that work? So you, you, you have to make

adjustments to the car now that you're in traffic. So you have to like go away from the original

game plan. If I'm running up front, this is what I need to be fast. Now you got to switch your

mindset to I need this. And then you go like back to the original game plan once you get up front

or you're now just working from what you, what you have. That, that race, we adjusted on the car

more than I've seen in quite some time. We, we were cranking on it. You know,

my picker, that was what's so, it was so impressive with the picker is that

we're not losing spots and we're, we're making adjustments. Typically, you're always losing spots

when you're making adjustments. Many times you gained a spot at one time. Yeah, like there was one

stop that I was, that I was filming that just, it didn't look like a good stop. But then you

still came out and you still gained a position. Well, a lot of it too, you know, what is your

competition, dude? They have a bad stop. Yeah, it just kind of depends. But yeah, it, it,

usually what you need in traffic is different than what you need out front. But my car, it just had

some speed and reserve. You know, even when the balance wasn't perfect, I still was the top five

car at the worst. So when you, I wonder about this speeding penalty for a second, when you have

that penalty, do you just have to mentally adjust? Because you can't change your, the light settings

or anything. So like, how do you as a driver make sure you don't make that mistake again?

Because you don't, you can't adjust like your car and what it's showing. Yeah, I just take,

I take the speed limit and I lower it a mile per hour. You know, that's the easiest way to do it.

So let's, in my dash personally, I've got all, all, all the lights are green. All green is all good.

And so if it's, let's just say it's 10 green, then I'll just move everything to nine. And just

for the record, when you hear, I saw in the Danny Bros. chat, you were talking about the,

something about the no mistakes. And I was like, and I, because he said, hey, you were almost

speeding again. So more, that's what alert, that's why I think our speed is the company was off.

I never, usually when you speed, it is a situation where I, I know I'm close. Please don't

keep the radio on. Tell me, I said, please don't tell me, please don't say it. Don't keep it. Okay,

we're good. We're good. And when he said, I almost bed again in another section, that told me,

we're off. Because I, I, I shouldn't be close. I feel like he said one red a lot on Sunday.

Yes, but what I'm saying is what I ran, it shouldn't have been close. Yeah, that's what I'm just

wondering if that was off. Travis said, somebody get me on the radio until DH to press that gas pedal

down a little more. I didn't mean on pit road. That was, that was a good text. That was a great text.

Um, so yeah, I came on the radio and I said, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not making any more mistakes

because our car is way too fast to be making mistakes. I, I can't believe we let 134 laps.

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It was her strong suit. Typically, I'm a long run guy. It's long runs. You're going to see me start

marching forward. There was a key run. I was really good beginning and end of the run

end of stage two when I charged all the way to fifth. We were just really, really good.

No issues there. Sure, go a little bit. That one where built Byron got with around me with about

55 to go. Same thing. Just wore the right front tire out. Did that caution? Did it matter? Did that

caution help you and helped? Helped. I mean, I was getting pinned behind those lap cars.

It was horrible timing. Horrible timing. That whole last room was horrible timing because

there was cars that had to take that chose to take away around. They're out of fuel. They then

had to come out seven laps after green. The difference in the disparity of my car's speed

or the leader's speed versus those cars that were lapped down was about seven laps on tires.

We just sat right there behind them. I took notice of it at the end of stage one when you were

battling Bell. When you're leading like that and trying to keep a guy behind you, but also then

trying to focus on where these lap cars are going to go so you don't lose time. How much focus

is put on each of those? I got this guy behind me, but also I got to pay attention to these

two cars in front of me who I need to drive around and they may not be driving much slower than

you are. What's interesting on a mile and a half is actually if the cars in front of you

are on better tires, if you're actually getting a draft, it actually helps you run faster

with a car out in front as long as it isn't detrimental to your actual cornering ability,

which is your handling. It just seemed like I could run a different line than them wherever they

chose to run. I'll just run somewhere different. It allowed me to get that clean air in the corners

and then use the draft on straightaway. It actually helped me maintain that lead for a little while,

but the crappy part was that after the new was gone from their tires, then they were just

kind of in the way. Then it was like crap. It was horrible timing with Cody Ware because

he came out 15 laps after we started that green flag run. He was quite a bit faster and I'm

trying to wave him to stop. Let me pass Ty Dylan, please, before you get in the middle of us,

and then once his tires were going to wear, then I'm going to have to have a hell of a time

trying to pass him. I think they were all like three and four laps down. I understood if it was

fighting for the lead lap or maybe even one down because your race really changes when you get to,

but I think they were all multiple down. Bell had brought up that you had a unique line in the final

stage, such as how good your car was. I didn't think I was running anything super unique. I just

was always running wherever they weren't, but you could also run wherever. And what would happen

is if they chose the mirror drive me, I would just swerve to a different lane in the middle of the

corner. So yeah, I think I lost and said something as well. I just was trying to get the cleanest

air that I could. There was no rhyme or reason to it. How am I says that when your car you can take

any lane and it still has what you need? It's, it's rare. It's rare. How did it Phoenix? How did

it hear? That's one out of every five or six races, right? Yeah. So 61 wins now. You're take over

10th on the list just by yourself. It's awesome. Can't tell you how awesome that is. And you know,

just yes, the all season was really cruddy for a lot of different reasons and it sucked. And

so it was, I was not looking forward to the beginning of the season. I mentioned that it just

was like, God, I can't believe I have to go race. I don't want to go race right now.

And that was on top of the Phoenix like debacle. And so yeah, I mean, I showed up at Bowman

Grey. I made laps. Bowman Grey actually finished top five at Bowman Grey in the semi-wet.

Well, there was a lot of stuff that got you to the fit. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. I just

wasn't into the season. You know, I think some of it too is it's always a mental thing where it's

like, Oh, God, we got two super speedways and a road course. You know, it's, it's not like a normal

oval where it's like, Oh, I know, if I nail this thing, I'm going to win. You know what I mean? The

next six weeks of our schedule, whatever it is, you know, these are all tracks where it's like,

Oh, if I nail it, we're going to win. It just was different. And so that, that was a different

mindset. I wasn't really ready for racing quite yet. But just kind of when we got to Phoenix,

is when it was like, Okay, let's buckle in. Let's get into a normal routine of this is how

our prepare on the weekend. Here's how I prepared during the weekend. It got me more in a rhythm

of like, this is what I'm used to doing. And then Vegas was was more of the same. So, so what's

the next goal now? You know, okay, we have next Darlington, Kansas, right? Martin'sville.

Martin'sville. I'm just thinking of the tracks. You've got Darlington, Martin'sville,

Bristol, Kansas, and then Talladega. Get another win. That's the goal. One of those two races,

one of those three. Talladega, I wish, guys, I wish. I'm trying everything when it comes to

super speedway racing, just not getting the proper finishes. I'm trying to run up front as much

as I can. Doesn't matter. Crash. Next three races, how many points? Like, if I said you get 150 points,

it'd be 50, 50, 50. Is that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we would take that. But also, I mean, like,

bigger than the next three races, right? Like, we've been on this train of get to 60 wins for

a few years. Now you're at 61. You kind of know where the checkered flag is on your career.

Right. I thought that realistically, I think I'm going to fall in 67. That's where I think

it ends more than likely. In the next year, more than likely, 67.

That's just by the numbers. That's not any, oh, I feel this. I feel that. That's just where

the numbers land, averaging what I average three, four wins a year. Yeah. Yeah. What did the

embrace with your mom mean? Yeah, that was great. I mean, she, uh, she'd went to Daytona.

I don't know about any others. I can't remember. I really can't remember. She did go to Atlanta.

But, you know, none of my family, um, mom, dad, you know, fiance and kids, none of them were at

the 60th. Um, West Coast races. It's really hard with the kids because you got school and stuff

the next day. It's, it's just impossible. In my typical rule of thumb, if I can't get them home,

by seven, eight o'clock on a Sunday, you know, they're not going to go the race because I just

got to get up, got to go to school the next day. Um, so, you know, while it's

cool to be able to FaceTime them, like we probably did in Victory Lane at, at, at Vegas in the fall,

it's just nothing beats when they're actually there because they get to, they get to create that

memory. They're not going to remember watching 60 on TV because I can assure you three minutes later,

they were probably gone and doing something else. Yeah. You know what I mean? The memory was them

riding in the car and Molly picking up the confetti in Victory Lane and throwing it like,

that's where the memory is kind of get made is when you're in that moment. So it was really fun

that, that I had everyone there for this latest. Yeah, and that, that hasn't happened ever.

I, I don't remember. That's a good point. I don't, I don't know that I've ever not, I have,

but I can't remember the last time we had everyone there. Yeah. At the same time, right? See,

they're my mom, it's my mom travels as much as Jordan does, but not the, always the same weeks.

Right, but I also mean Taylor Molly, I've never ridden in the car to,

Taylor has, they have one before. Yep. Oh, that's, yep.

That's why in the group, Tex, I said, in the group, Tex, I put, I said, we just passed tech, we're good.

Yeah, and that's what I said in, in post-Rex media, I says, Taylor's got to enjoy this.

And the one time she, she did, they took the trophy from me five hours later.

Like, that was bull, you didn't think like, Taylor, I can't have you get in this car.

No, I just, you know, especially Molly, she hadn't got to do it before, but it was so cool,

because like, I didn't, I didn't tell Molly to hold that flag out. Like, she just, she just

naturally did it. So it was very cool. I love their reaction. They got in, when they got in,

they were like, oh my god, it's hot in here. Like, damn right it is. I love the reaction,

when they're on top of the car and they were getting sprayed. I don't think Taylor was expecting that.

No, and so on did McMurray said that Molly nearly fell and somebody caught her. Yeah, yeah,

Brandon was putting her up on the, on the roof, and then she just like fell backwards into his arms.

Oh my gosh, that would have been horrible. Yeah, luckily that didn't happen.

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of that, let me just match Chase and just save my tires. At any point were you ever like,

all right, I got to figure this. I got the lead up to about 1.8 at one point and I felt like

it's just different. What I feel comfortable with is a one-second lead with at least one lap car

between us because I know that that one lap car is going to deviate or slow their lap time at

least. Usually a half a second like it's he's going to get closer to the lap car. That's going to

slow down. He's going to have to pass them. It's going to slow his lap time down. It's just I know

that at one second is really like 1.5 when you have a lap car between you and we had multiple

between us. I didn't take my foot off the gas, but I just managed the gap. But he certainly

I thought we were equal on speed. If I pushed the gas all the way down and really had to push,

I think we were going to be pretty equal. But he had gotten better throughout the entire day. He

just kept getting better and better, which is very chase of him. It definitely reminded me of that

race in 2021 with him where I'm leading and he kind of reels me in late. It's we're racing around

lap cars. Same kind of thing. Same outcome. It certainly feels good to have that versus like

your tongue's hanging out and he's still, you know, he's reeling up. He's a 10th faster. He's

two tenths faster and you're doing everything you got. I knew. And Vegas is a very risk-reward

racetrack when it comes to pushing it. Like I was just wanted to be disciplined with hitting the

line in 3 and 4. Let's just hit this line for 50 laps. If I got to slow down to hit the line,

that's what I'm going to do. Now could I have run the middle, pushed it, run the middle, and run

faster? Most likely. But I just was like, this is the conservative approach. I got the lead.

Don't need to do anything crazy. Make them outrun me. Something they haven't done all day.

Unless it was at the very end of any certain run. So I just felt comfortable in that was the best

strategy for me to manage and it worked out. At what point would you have needed to switch on and

try something different and push harder? Well, it was with a couple laps to go. He actually got

to a distance with no cars between us where I pushed a little more. And that's when we ran

essentially. I think he beat me with two to go lap time wise and then I beat him on the final lap

lap time wise. But the thing goes 10 more laps? Who knows? It was his car versatile. Could he run

because at the time I was running his line in three and four. So it would have been interesting,

but it's ifs and buts. With this win, you also now join Jeff Gordon, Kevin Harvick, Richard Petty.

And Mark Martin is the only drivers to win five plus races after making their 700th cup start.

Yeah, that's I think Daniel Suspitus, doesn't he? Yeah. Yeah. The win percentage is solid right now.

Someone said best back nine in NASCAR history. That's a funny one. Old dogs can hunt. Yeah.

I like the, I wasn't sure what stat you were going to bring up, but I like the one about

winning in 20 different seasons. That list was strong. I think it was Bobby Alson,

Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Richard Petty. That was a that one because it's hard, man. I can't

emphasize that enough. You know, winning in 20 different seasons, it's hard enough to win the

cup series, but I feel like five years ago, if you were to ask me, man, can you believe you

been in the cup series for 15 years? I was I was said, no, it feels like five years ago.

But now that we're in year 21, I think it's 21. It feels like 30. I feel like I've been in this

thing for forever. And I love that we're still can go out and compete and win. It's awesome.

I remember you started the podcast 60 was the goal. Yeah. That was, yeah, I've had I've 31 wins

going into 2019. I have 30 wins after 2019. What's the difference maker?

I mean, the car that I've into it too much, but I just I work on weaknesses. I find areas to

get better on the racetrack. I study things, I analyze things. I just find ways to improve.

Do you think switching to a car that promotes more parity is actually beneficial to you because

you can find advantages elsewhere? In preparation and in in hindsight, possibly. I still think that

the Hendrix Gibbs Pinsky's those teams used to be able to build bigger advantages into the racecar.

But the casual race fan would say what seems like you have to be with those teams to win

today. So what's the difference? Valor question. I don't think the advantage is as big as it used

to be, but it's certainly still as an advantage. And it's a resource thing. They just

just those teams spend more money than everyone else. And until you kind of have like some salary cap or

something, I just don't see that changing. What else are your Travis? What else we got in this race?

Forest Chastain. Forest Chastain. Do you see this? I did. Who wins that fight by the way?

Swars, right? That's everyone is like, oh, Swars better watch out. He's the Chastain to know.

And I'm like, hold on a second here. It's through McDowell. Yeah. McDowell is a grown-ass man.

I think this is like a evenly matched fight. Like maybe hedging towards Swars being the favorite.

Well, I like Ross's chances of connecting because he seems like that. He's very good at that.

But I just think eventually strength comes in. Like, yeah, Swars might catch one to the chin,

but if it doesn't hobble him, I just think he gets, I think he gets pummeled because of the

size difference. And it's not like Swart. Listen, there's not a giant size difference, but I think

there's a, there's just a, there's more likely a strength difference. Add in, I think Swars has

probably got a little more buildup anger towards Chastain and Trackhouse. So was, was Ross the one

inviting it on? Is he, is he in this clip saying you want to fight?

Baby. It also looks like he told Swars you got fired. Is that, is that real?

I don't know the liberty. I don't know. That's why I'm good. Yeah. That's tough. But also,

he's the one that put his hands on Swars first and that like, oh boy. That's a,

that's right. You know, if I, never mind, I'm not going to pile on.

Swars could have said, we have, thank God. I'll be in like, sh** today.

I get the PR person's kind of doing their job. Although actually Spireran worse than Trackhouse,

right? I mean, they finished next to each other. But, man, PR person, just can you give us five

seconds? She seemed very comfortable stepping between them, which means she obviously knew Daniel

very well. Yeah, I think it's, she works for Trackhouse. But did you see, I mean, we think we

saw a video where Swars kind of got up and to draw. But is this like, is this just the excuse to

confront each other? I think it's been brewing. I think it's been brewing.

I don't know. You just, you see on X, there's, there's comments, you know, they get thrown around.

I just, I feel like it's been brewing. I always thought from the exterior that their relationship

was good. It, you know, they do a lot of content stuff together. But you just never know.

You never know. I mean, they were, they're more of, they feel like they've been racing for one

seat. Those two guys, right? Whoever, whoever prevailed at Trackhouse and it was more successful was

going to get whatever car and then SVG and Zillett were going to get the other two.

Yeah, I just don't think that it was ever a question about Chastain, you know, losing his seat.

Right. But that's maybe where Swars feels a little bit of animosity. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a, it's a result space thing. And you would just say over the long haul and that,

that Chastain outperformed him, right? Like more times than not. Like, I know Daniel also,

Suspitus has a chart of like which teammate outruns the other teammate the most. And it feels,

it has felt like it, you know, Ross has been the lead car at Trackhouse, all of his career.

What I didn't like is Ross Chastain telling reporters, basically, no comments.

I know. Talk, man. Like this, you want to help grow the sport? Talk, Travis is lit.

I'm with you. Listen, sitting in this room, there's three media members here. We would love

to have a quote that we could run with, right? But it's, it feels like Ross is just,

when there's something that happened, he's just not going to give it to you.

I know it, and I agree with you. I agree like for the sport storylines, it would be fantastic if you

would just give us something to work with, but he's not going to let us in. Okay, so that's Danny

Hamlin media person talking and now Danny Hamlin driver, when you see other drivers, well,

I'm different. I'm a, I'm going to talk to you anytime I can, right? I mean, if I have an

opportunity and I have a beef with a driver, I'm going to dig the knife when I can.

But that's just my personality. And I do it with my closest friends. That's what they know.

Gluck in his article this past week about you and you were talking about playing pickleball.

And yes, it doesn't matter who does play. I can't play with Jordan. Absolutely not.

When we, when we have games, you will go play pickup, they'll, they'll say,

do you want to play with Jordan? No, I don't want to play with Jordan.

Wait, why is this? She did it. I'm too competitive because she, because I'd be like, Jordan,

work on blank. Don't tell me what to do to get to the net. And yes, it's, it's, it's, it's

end badly. No, separate us. I need to be with a partner that I can tell them when they suck and

they can, and they can tell me when I say, I was going to say, for the record, he tells this to

everybody. It's, I know. It's, it's, Opie takes the most abuse. Yes, because he takes it.

Opie, Opie is one of my favorite people to play with, just simply because I think he's very,

very funny. Yes. And he has these little small comments. He's like, I, I love you too,

do you know what I mean? Like it doesn't matter. The harder, the harder the comment I make, the more he

endears himself to. Oh, thank you. Thank you for that. Yes. I will absolutely work on running

faster than I'm able to. You know what I mean? Yes. Where were we here? I don't know. We're finished

up. Yes, we're anything else from the cup race. I didn't, in by the way, I didn't see anything

on track that weren't why these guys got face to face after the race. That's what I think. That's

why I think there's something, there's something more in excuse to get into this face. Yeah.

So what do you think of the standings now? I've seen, it seems like it's that

we're moving on up to the east side. We're moving up. It just shows that how much a win can

put you right back in the picture, right? I mean, I think at the most, we were probably down

120 something, 130. You got the paper, don't you?

After Coda, Coda minus 126. And now we're only down 70 something. So nearly half is gone. Two

weeks. Ain't like Tyler had a horrible finish. Tyler ran fine. Yeah. Which maybe I need to back up,

the truck a little bit on, oh, he's a guaranteed lock for top three, right? Yeah, I don't think

that's true. I just think that the others, too many points to be gained with wins.

But he still has a really good start to the season. Chase Prisco saved up potentially

awful issue. Yeah, I looked up, I couldn't believe you finished eighth, but

obviously a fast car, but yeah, it was good for him to get back to the top 10. He needs

some points on the flip side SVG, I think, had the worst day in terms of dropping in the standing.

Yeah. Yes. Minus 16 spots. How many was it? 11? 11. 11. It just, when you go from 15 to 16,

yeah. That's like going from 10 to 35th. Yep. And he ran fairly well at Las Vegas last year.

It just seemed like track house was not, they weren't dialed this weekend. If Ross is going

to lap down, I'm sorry, you got, they missed it. Ross didn't miss it this weekend or SVG didn't

miss this weekend. This was a, there's a team thing. And that happens. I'm telling you,

it happens. It's so easy to that, you know, somehow you just, sim says, you know, your simulation

program, your setup says you need to be running this, you run it, you go to the racetrack and it's

like nope. And we talked about last year. Remember, it, it comes out with an equation. Here's what,

here's what we, the computer says you should be running to run the fastest lap time. And sometimes

it just doesn't match. So like, how though when like you've gone to this track before, you know,

like, how does a team just miss it though? It doesn't take much, especially in the next

scenario, because we just talked about how close the cars are from, I mean, did you also see the

lap times on the Fox graphic? Everyone's running in the 31 second bracket. Like, so it doesn't take much

for you. You lose a half a 10th. The field gains a 10th from last fall to this race that takes you

from 5th to 18th 20th. That's that 10th is what matters. Yeah, small margins. Yeah. I just got a

text from Bozy some graphic and it was showing pit crews. They're slowest in their fastest time

and you guys had one of the most consistent days. We did. It was a very consistent, smooth day.

It felt like they weren't like rocket fast, but they were rocket solid. That's what you want,

right? It's just don't lose me a spot. And again, I talked about how many adjustments we made. Like,

we were making lots. Usually that, that, that is going to slow the pit stop up.

Several tenths of a second. Is there a switch when it comes to these pit crew guys where they

could recognize, okay, our driver has a lightning fast car. Let's just have a good stop here. We

don't need to press it for my guess is yes. It doesn't always appear that way because there's been

many races where you're thinking, okay, just just keep things smooth and then you have a bad pit stop.

They try, but it's hard. They're dealing in really, really small margins as well.

But yeah, typically you would think that, again, I'm thinking at the end of stage two,

when I got back to fifth and that's when we said right before we came on pit road, I said,

I'm not, we're too good. I'm not making another mistake. I'm thinking they probably had that

same mentality and I'm thinking, just get me out somewhere in the top eight and I'll,

I'll be, I'll be fine. Yeah, you'd have to think it's like similar to a picture. Like,

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Kai Larson won the Xfinity Race on Saturday. Shocker.

I think it is a shocker. Yeah, it wasn't all right. I didn't see the whole thing, but

he, he did not lead to the very end of the race and nor did I think he was the fastest.

I'm just, when I say shocker though, I'm just saying like for him, it's not shocking that he

could win that race, not like the race itself. If you didn't watch the race and you looked at the

results, you'd be like, not, yeah, yeah, you would say what you just said, shocker. But it was

watching it. I actually thought he had the third best, maybe second, best JRM car.

Or no, it was that a Hendrick. No, it was a JRM car. It is JRM. I can't tell.

Hendrick cars. Well, that's how you name them cars. If I'm celebrating Larson,

it's a Junior Motorsports car. Okay. Got it.

You know, we got to call this pretty much straight. Cory Day was damn fast.

And up until the very end of the race, I thought he was going to win it and I give us all the

bird. I'm watching saying, well, he woke up. You know, he, somebody lit a fire under him.

That was, he, you got to call it correct. If we're going to criticize him, we got to call

you know, a spade of spade when he's, when he goes out there and runs a really good race like

he did this weekend. Sheldon Crete owned it, but what do you make of the whole thing between him

and Taylor Gray? It looked like me and Chase sell it. And Martinsville. Right? Just get to the back

bumper, push all the way in. Yeah. Which is interesting when I, when that happened, I didn't feel

like I, when I watched me and Chase, I have to bring that back up. It's 20, it's 20 years ago.

It's actually 10, almost 10. Sorry behind your head. It didn't feel as egregious in the car as

it looked on TV. I was just barely on his bumper. I'm telling you, it was not hard contacted up,

barely on his bumper, but it's just that is such a vulnerable part of the racetrack for the

rear getting stuck and I unstuck him. So I think it's very similar to that sense of where the

contact wasn't huge from the double zero on, on, on Taylor, right? Taylor. Yeah. On Taylor,

but it just, it's just a bad part of the racetrack where that's your, the lightest that the rear

of the car is going to be. And so Sheldon definitely should have backed her up like I should have

backed her up. Yeah. At least he won't have 10 years of. And he acknowledged it. I mean, you got

it. Well, well, what did he say? What did he react to? Right? He said, holy crap, I screwed up and he

owes me one. That's very fair. Yeah. What do you think the good race pole say? I know I see people

b***ing about it. What's it going to say? I have, I did not hear the tear, I don't know where they're

at. I didn't hear the tear down. I heard the first half of it before my internet went out on the

flight home. I'm going to say 64% a little higher right track. What do you think, Jared? Well, I heard

the tear down, but what do you think though? Oh, I thought it was, I thought it was right in that 75%

range. I thought it was a fine race. You were not going to be right, Jared. It is sitting right now

at 62%. Oh, wow. Oh, the guys on the tear down, guess 75, right? I mean, the pole just came up,

so, you know, I don't know what we expect. I mean, the restarts were dicey. The one that I was

in the back, I saw those guys three wide racing for the win or racing for the front. I mean, I don't

sometimes someone hits it and the 11 car hit it. And so it just, it happens. And I don't think

of lack of cautions is always a bad thing that is good racing with no issues. Yeah, there was only

one caution for the zillage. And that was the right thing. To me, I think that's the biggest,

biggest variable in this and why people say it was this race because it just flew by. There was

no cautions. It wasn't too much excitement. Yeah, I just don't, I think you got a manager. You're

not going to always have a barn burner in motor sports. That's not the way it is. But if you're

an avid race fan, you, you understand that sometimes someone hits it and that's when you got to

just say, all right, you have sports all the time all the time. There's, there's blowouts all the time.

But it also, it ain't like I was up front the whole race. No, it wasn't a made exciting. I said,

I don't think it was a blowout either. No. What because you sped it helped. Well, not only

there was always somebody within a second and a half. Yeah. Yeah. It was you didn't know if,

if Chase was going to get to you or not at the end, you weren't sure. I already on in the race.

Iron Bells was better. JGR and Hendrick really brought it. And there was no one else that was

going to contend with them. That's right. Yeah. The RFK and 2311 cars were the next in line that

were in the back half of that top 10. But welcome to some mile and a half racing. That's just

welcome to NASCAR. What are you talking about? I mean, that's what it is.

So that, and I mean, that's why we want to take that next step at 2311, right? And I think that

over the long haul, while we won the first three in row, it was like, okay, what are we going to

bring to Phoenix? What are we going to bring to the next tracks? Shout out to Baba Wallace,

do this week, right? Manders do this week. He is just chipper. I mean, the guys finishing top 10,

like it says job, which it is. And he will be there for the birth.

Will be there, no matter what. Yep. Which I, I 100% support that. I mean, I couldn't imagine missing

one, but he, he did. And that, I bet that just absolutely sucked. That's tough in this format,

but I get it. Like it's the family is more important, but it's, it really hurt, you know,

missing a race. Yep. And now we're through this, this West Coast swing. So there should be no

issues, right? Yeah, he's going to be closer by no matter what. Yeah, it's not Mexico City.

All right. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta get to court. He won't stand on this, Travis. Yeah. He doesn't

want to touch on the fishing. I wouldn't want to talk about an event that had a lot of just

cheating. I'd be doing Charlie wrong if I didn't at least mention that it is on the run down.

And if Danny doesn't want to talk about that's his, that's his choice.

I'll give it two minutes in my time. We had a competition we talked about last week,

five biggest fish in Vegas and Riley Herpes is pond. It's not slain beyond the pond.

Riley Herpes is pond. And I, I had no idea it was going to get this close. But anyway,

let me be 100% clear and you guys can give your feedback on what I'll do what you say. We'll do a

poll. How about this? Is this fair? I'll do a poll and the two choices is I need to do a

concession speech or the results are just too muddy. Is that fair or what, you know, yeah,

or demand a recount or demand a redo. Let me tell you the actual facts that, and this is

this is the facts. There's no anything else. We had to have two different scales. He's on one

side of the pond. I'm on the other side of the pond. By the way, they're both my scales.

The cheap ass one will go by his own scales. So he has a bar or one of mine.

Pre the night before we're like, we got to make sure our scales are the same. Well, mine is reading

in pounds and ounces. His is reading in pounds only. So I know. And so then they have to convert it.

That's a whole another problem because you know when in a conversion, when they do my ounces,

it's just going to round to the nearest where, you know, I don't know what, well, if mine's

whatever, you get it. So we wait a banana the night before. And it was only a half a pound.

And if you have a disparity in scales, it is not going to show up when you're weighing something

that's a half a pound. It's going to show when you put actual weight to it. Yeah, right? You

agree? Like your scale in the hotel, when you step on it, it's going to be different than the one

you have at home because there's the disparity there. Well, yes, in the hotel, we agreed, okay,

our scales are the same because we weighed a banana. But as in racing, you'd go over the scales

before and after a race. And there was something that happened during the course of the event

that caught my eye that made me want to challenge whether our scales were the same.

Can I tell you how that went? Okay, I will. So I was actually standing next to him and

he catches a fish. It's 3.26. He holds up 3.26. And I was like, and it just didn't look like a

326. Is this on camera? I assume Nico was sure hope got to be that's what your job was is to

follow us around and make sure it was all kosher. Now they're going to now they're going to

I mean, go after the refs here. I know, I know this is Charlie was the one question. You know,

yeah, I looked at it was like, uh, do me a favor, use my scale. I just want to see. This is

this is on his like six or seven fish that he caught. He grabs my scale. 3.00.

Oh, whoa, whoa. That's a quarter of a pound difference. He then's like, nah, something's not

right. Let me redo it on my scale. He redoes it on his scale. Now it's 3.08. Yeah, 3.08.

Oh, I have that. I have that weight logged here. I have that. So I'm I'm I'm accurately portraying

what happens. I'm not exaggerating that this is what happens. So my scale where says it's just

three pounds zero zero. They would give me credit of 3.00 for that fish. However, what does he get?

3.08. Doesn't seem fair. So there's either disparity of rounding on the scales part or there's

a disparity of the math. We go ahead and we weigh in. So let's just forget the fact that there's

no way he weighed his fish two or three times to get and then ended up logging the least amount of

weight. He just whatever it is, he he would have wrote down three, two, six had I not been right

there and challenged that the weight. Let's just say six on here. So I don't know. We're talking

about the 3.08 or the 3.26. I don't know how we can validate this. I get it because I'm going to

put a button on this story. We go to the final weigh in. I weigh in. Let's go to him. He weighs in

at 19.85. Low, right? Under 20. Yep. I weigh in at 19.58. It was like a quarter pound or less than

a quarter of a pound. It was two tenths of a per of one pound. Travis, my problem is we saw that

disparity in one fish. Yeah. I got multiple of that by five. The scale couldn't pass the tech if it

had to. That's why I'm having an issue and I think I've been seeding that I lost more of the

story travel. And by the way, so then we went. Did we not? We took the scales. We took the scales

because this is an issue. We took them back to the bus. We weighed my book back and there was a

disparity every single time. There's not one time I could make my scale weigh as heavy as his

did. Not once. You can't make it weigh the same. Nor can you make it weigh more. We did it a hundred

times. Can't do it. His always reads heavier. And so if I lose by two tenths of a pound,

over five fish, I think that there's just too many that it's too gray. I agree. Travis,

more of the story. So I'm demanded a recount. We have a damn good trophy. Excellent, y'all killed

that. Excellent trophy. Y'all killed it. The content from this is incredible. Of these two guys

doing laps around this pond, racing to spots. Well, they can all see the pants. I heard Charlie laugh

and you were showing them probably all my bloopers and. And then I have I have 24 hours of additional

footage of these guys during trying to get a family photo outside the sphere after they come out of

Wizard of Oz. Denny said, are you Charlie? The scales are not accurate. Denny, let's take the

family photo. Charlie, the scales are there's flaws. And then videos of you guys that catch

in a nice dinner, weighing your backpacks. Backpacks that have also Vegas play nice. Like I did.

I brought the scales. I was like, we're going to do this right here right now. I'm going to prove it.

So whether there's a winner for this or not, once I go through all this. He has the trophy. I

hope he feel it's an empty, empty cup. Travis. Yeah. How can you feel good about that? I mean,

if I was an honorable man, I wouldn't even. No, you just put it in a neutral spot and say,

you know what, we'll run this back. Yeah. Like if he was honorable, he would. I'm not even saying

that all right, let's just take the difference of our scales, add them up. And I'm now the winner.

I'm not saying that I'm the winner. I'm saying there's just the spirit. They would the race was too

close to call given the variables of the scale difference. Yeah. We'll see if Charlie wants to be

an honorable man or not. It's up to him. Thank you, Travis. Anytime. I mean, at least somebody

earned a trophy the right way. They each got a trophy this weekend. Everyone's happy.

I mean, this, I mean, this guy on the ride home, by the way, he has feet kicked up on my trophy

on the plane ride home. It's unreal. No respect. From KMC Davis 01, love that 2311 is doing so well

after a year they've had to deal with the last year, also MJ giving credit to Denny for putting

this team together. It's awesome. Appreciate that. Thanks for that review. Appreciate y'all tuning in.

I drive us set the goal. We need to win one of the next four weeks. I want to.

Um, unlikely with that. I think, I mean, listen, we'll be a favorite at,

you're gonna be a top five favorite at worst at all three.

I like three. That's worth. So let me Travis. So let me ask you always a top five favorite.

Okay. So for me, to ask for two is not a crazy request. Now, I'm thinking,

darling, I think we might be favorite at all the favorite at all of them.

Yeah, we're setting the bar at one. But it doesn't, it just doesn't matter.

Like that the one year that me and Harvick were, or old dogs don't want or not.

Yeah, the year that me and Harvick won all the races, we were the favorite at like every race.

But you only win a few that you're, I realistically won is the goal. One is the goal. That's,

we, that's what the goalposts are at. That's what we try to achieve.

We'd love to say, oh, we got to win all three, but you're just going to be disappointed living

your life that way. Can't be. That's how, welcome to how I operate with sports.

I know. That's true. Okay. Well, um, appreciate y'all tuning in. Travis is going to have this

out early in the afternoon, right? So she started early. Yep. Sweet. All right. We'll see y'all next

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