Aaron Rodgers Part 2: Media Backlash, Family Reunion, & Addressing Everything | Not Just Football

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1:01We're going in the Aaron Rogers story now. And Aaron now, you lived a lot of lives in 21 years. You're one of the most talked about people when it not only comes to football, but in the country. How do you feel about being so controversial in terms of the media? I feel like there's a ton of hypocrisy out there. I mean, everybody loved, you know, loved hearing about my takes on Colin Kaepernick when I said he was one of the top 64 quarterbacks in league. They loved my takes about when there was a shooting that occurred years and years ago during Obama's presidency. Somebody yelled out some anti-Muslim rhetoric during the moment of silence, which I thought was so disrespectful. When I said after the game, the first thing I said was there's no place for that kind of hate in this world regardless of what happened, what you think happened.

2:01First of all, most of the stuff like would lie to every single day. So like, don't you give me start on that thing. But I said something about that and President Obama sent me a handwritten note afterwards. And nobody loved that part. They enjoyed my takes. Meena Kimes had me to her house for a feature that I did. Like all these people were my friends in the media until I came out against COVID and said, I'm not going to stand for this f***ing f***ing tree. And now after everything has came out, all they can say is, oh, were you lied about it? It's like when somebody has an argument and all they can ever say is they can attack your character instead of the content of what you're actually saying. You know that you're actually on the right side of things. And I've said many times. When I said I was immunized, it was because that statement alone was the crux of my entire argument and ongoing appeal with the NFL around my vaccination status.

3:06Not to mention the hypocrisy around the treatment of players that were non-vaxed, the inhumane way that we were treated as second-hand citizens around the facility, the way that we couldn't do anything on the road, all the bulls**t, six feet of distancing that fouching his own words and his f***ing diaries as said was all made up, fouchy chasing the fame. He's an absolute, my opinion, criminal. If you read Bobby Kennedy's book about him and what he did in the 80s, around AIDS, if you watch Dallas Pires Club, do you know who the villain was in that movie? Dr. Anthony Fauci. If Bobby Kennedy said any lies now, don't you think he'd be sued for liable? But it goes through the entire history of what he's done as the highest paid, you know, government worker. And I'm here on the phone with the head doctor at the NFL and he's called me a conspiracy theorist. When I asked him, hey, you know, if you get the vax, can you contract or spread the disease,

4:06he said no. He said, well, tell me this then, doc, day one, I get here, five scouts are out with COVID, all fully vax, how that happened. And he called me, he called me a conspiracy theorist. And that was like the end of the, it was like the end of the appeal at that point when I'm like, okay, so you don't actually give a s*** about this. When literally so many guys on our team had fake vax vax skirts, so many guys and rightfully so, have you ever heard of the Tuskegee experiment? Do you not think that everybody should have a healthy skepticism about the pharmaceutical industry when you learn about the FDA and the CDC and their relationship and the, where the funding comes from those organizations and the NIH and all these alphabet gangster agencies who make policies about our health every single day and our livelihood and our privacy, you should have a healthy skepticism, especially if you're black. I mean, what they just learn about the Tuskegee experiment and what they did and just, and

5:08think, is this the first time they've done this or would they have done other things like that go into Fauci's history about all the crazy experiments they were doing on beagles? Not to mention 2014 when they moved all the gain of function research out of the states, out of the University of North Carolina to labs like Wuhan lab and every conspiracy, you know the difference between the conspiracy and the truth is time. Maybe conspiracy that we were getting people like me, getting ridiculed for it's all been proven true. Kennedy assassination, right? We were told that was one thing that we found out years later. The conspiracy was actually to be the truth, right? Yeah, it didn't happen the way it was. So it's been years like that. They've always been. It's like you shouldn't trust the government. They actually, and you shouldn't, the government's a uniparty. Microsan is they want to pin me as, you know, like the right didn't like me because I played golf with Obama and then, then they think because I'm of, you know, anti-vax and I'm like that we can conspiracy theorist, you know, Trump or it. I'm like, first of all, I don't trust anybody in politics.

6:09Maybe Ron Paul, but it's all the uniparty. It's one party. They don't give a fuck about regular people. They just keep doing the same policies. You know, everybody was cheering on ice when Obama was in and Tom Holman, I think his name is or whatever his name is, who's the head of ice or running that whole operation. He worked for Obama. They liked them. They were deporting people. Then Trump gets in office and they're all, you know, racist and then those guys are, you know, not where they're wearing masks now, which is super weird and Trump gets into office running on all these policies, you know, he's going to go after the swamp and go into Fort Knox and cut the vaccine stuff and not go into foreign wars and end the Ukraine stuff. That's what's actually happened and transparency in the Epstein files. That's the biggest one. Absolutely nothing. And I was actually excited because, you know, that moron, uh, cash Patel, he goes on Rogan, which I watch a lot because I'd like Joe and Joe's a friend.

7:11And he says day one, we're going, we're opening up the Epstein files. There's been nothing but the obstruction of transparency with this entire administration. Anybody who even liked Trump or thought that things would change. Like this is a pro Israel first or administration. And when you dig into it, that's the unit party. It's how many members of Congress of Congress are sponsored by APEC. So all the, there is no MAGA movement. There's no make America great again movement because the guy you elected hasn't done any of his campaign promises. And it just realizes you think something's going to actually change, you know, in the, in the Obama's president, you think that everybody's like, oh, there's going to be hope and change for a better world. Like is anything in the black community gotten significantly better? Is anybody better off? Did the Affordable Care Act make a major difference in the world besides being an extra tax, you

8:13know, for the rich is healthcare that much better in this country? And then Trump's going to come in and drain the swamp and do something and nothing happens and nothing changes. Then they roll out that old bag of bones. That was a wild four years. And then you just bring back in the, you know, the guy from the TV show who's going to, okay, now he's, this is second in mystery. Now he's really going to change things. Politics is a total shame. Remember he had the influencers go there where he gave, they gave them the thing. That's all safe. They're holding them up and like that. That total thing never got it, never got anything in there. That was my biggest issue with it is they said, first day in office, I'm going to release the Epstein files and we've all been waiting. This is a big sigh of the whole thing. The whole politics is a crazy sigh. But voting actually matter, they wouldn't let you do it. That's the truth of it. I don't know if Mark Twain said that. Somebody George Carlin probably would have said that for sure. But it's like George Carlin who's way ahead of his time. He'd be incredible in this time. But he said there's a big group and you ain't f***ing in it. You ain't a part of it. You ain't a part of it.

9:14And that's the truth. So we should be skeptical of all of it. Everything they say to us. So does it make you hesitant starting to repeat? Does it make you hesitant to question things because you know you're getting so much for it. So you can question it when you're telling personal stuff. Why do people, the people that don't like me, right? Outside of the Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota fans, they have a dis-taste for me because I might have to have an agreement. The majority of it's rooted in the vaccine. Yeah. Because 85% of the population got it and they didn't realize this is a sigh-up. This is bio-warfare and that they're just testing to see how compliant you would be. I live in California in the off season, right? They were blocking off lookout points where you can pull your car off inside the road and look out at the ocean or look out at the mountains. They were arresting surfers. What if any of that had to do with public safety? Are you kidding me? It was all about what can we get away with? I can go on and on about just the absolute fraud.

10:15There was going on and the sigh-up. But I mean, you had governors all over the place, eaten burgers and given out crispy cream donuts for vaccinations and fast food places which are so healthy for you, the stores that were deemed, what was the word they were using at the time? It was important for it to be open at the time, but you're shutting down churches. You're shutting down businesses. You're shutting down schools. You're shutting down schools except for Gavin Newsom's kids and going person. You're shutting down restaurants. How many restaurants closed all over the world, especially in this country? In some of our greatest cities that just closed and will never reopen because of this idea that we were in danger in each other through this, but then this vaccine, Joe Biden, all the non-vaxxers are going to have a winner of death and coming up. We'd live through that. We'd live through a multi-trillion dollar worldwide sigh-up meant to see how much they could control us.

11:16And that's why people dislike me because I don't give a shit. I'm going to tell the truth. And the difference between a conspiracy and the truth is time. And six years of pass now and how many people, I was thinking about this year, my car. I was like, I don't know one person that's that was unvaxxed that ever says, man, I wish I would have got that. I know a ton of people that I've talked to that actually have a spine and integrity who go, man, I wish I hadn't got that. The majority of those people are not just people that were like, oh, I just believe the government. The majority of those people were told, get this f***ing shot, which we have zero research on, testing, placebo testing, nothing, or you lose your job. That's what they were told. Or you can't travel. You can't travel. You can't go out, you can't do anything. You can't go see your family. But a lot of it was you can't have your job. I mean, what they did in Novak, Joe Givesy, I was watching Novak last night and I was this point he wasn't feeling good, didn't play good. But I went to the US open when I was up there in Jersey. And I'm watching him in his year, he won.

12:19It was like 2023, I think he won. And the last match, I went to his semi-final, but the last match, he finishes the match. And it's like, now we're going to show you the Moderna shot of the match. I took a picture, I got a lot of heat from the Jets PR. But I took a picture of Novak hitting. And literally there's a Moderna, like one of the sponsors on the side right there. And I just took a red line you can do on your photos on my Instagram and just like put a line through it. I'm like this person, well the healthiest guys on where I was literally kicked out of Australia for not being in Vax. When he contracted COVID and couldn't play an tournament, I mean, what are we talking about? Yeah. But like, why you still talk about COVID? Why? Because it was a sign up that closed businesses that killed people that you couldn't go to your friends and your relatives like funerals or a team at the hospital or be around your loved ones. And then it was your ostracized, you were called them onto crazy names. I mean, how many Hollywood actors, the genius in Hollywood,

13:21were saying they should round up non-Vax and put them in concentration camps or kill them or not, you know, Jimmy Kimmel said, you know, non-Vax person with a heart attack? No, I don't treat them. Treat these other people first of the hospitals. I mean, saying all the statements that embarrassing Stephen Colbert vaccine, like one of the dumbest late night sketches of all time, you know, late night just went to sh**. Obviously the last few years, once a Leno Conan and let her remember tired, but it's like, they just propaganda that was puppeted every single day. You turn on news, mostly CNN, and you see that, you know, do you remember this? The cases and deaths, and it's like rolling timelines supposedly. It's just crazy. And we made through it. We made it through it. All of us who were supposed to die, Unvax made it through it. But I lost as much as most as anybody. Maybe, you know, I lost, obviously, any goodwill in the media, because, you know, they're all run by the same people. No sponsors, zero sponsors.

14:28Reputation. Not many other people suffered the same stuff. Now, I'm just like, go f**k yourself. You can have all that, but you get to stand for something in this time. And for me, it was that. And they just were like, oh, you just f**kin' lorry. Lied to his teammates. No, not at all. I said literally the line that was the crux of my appeal. There was no follow-up. There was no nothing. Everybody in the building knew from day one, I am not back. Go f**k yourself. Literally, to the point of it was tense conversations with people in the organization who were like, what if they find out? I'm like, I don't care if they find out. We supposed to wear a mask. I'm like, you tell me, I'm standing the podium for my daily media on Wednesdays. There's 20 media members sitting 30 feet away from me. Y'all did that. We had to do like zooms. Well, at the beginning, it was it was it was live. Then we went to zooms. And they're all masked up. And they're all vaxed. And tell me again how an unvaxed person is dangerous to a vax person?

15:32Megan makes sense. Okay, I'm dangerous because I could give you a disease that you were vaccinated for, who's supposed to prevent you acquiring that disease. How does that make sense? So what do most people get wrong about you then? I mean, it's that. And it's that for sure. Well, wrong. They have their opinions based on that. I think, you know, I had two teammates who spoke out about me years ago. Two teammates out of all the people that ever played with me that didn't have a good experience with me. One was bitter because you went to another team and never became a player again. And the other was just not a smart person. That wouldn't hurt me more than the other one because I spent so much time with that guy. I mean, literally the night before games, I would be up in his room for an hour, helping him with the plan checks everything I was going to do. I went above and beyond for this guy. But both of them, no one cares about what they have to say, which is for most people at this point in my life. No one cares what they have to say until they use my name. You know, I dated two women who nobody gives a **** about unless they

16:38drop my name. And they like to say, you know, they're version of the history of what actually happened. And so I'm just like, you know, monster of a, you know, a partner. And it's just **** and horses. And number one, why are you still talking about me? It's been years, you know, like I dated Danica. And she had just retired. She was depressed and not fun to be around. But I didn't leave her because I was trying to be there and be a good partner. Then it was going a certain direction, obviously. There was no intimacy. It was nothing. And I'm buying a house in in Malibu and she goes, what do you want to buy it together? And I said, no. You said, well, you know what that means? And I said, yeah, that's the way things are going. She said, well, let's get counseling. So then we got counseling. And then what happened? Then COVID it. And we're stuck together. So she tells the story that I like, you know, totally, you know, I was so blindsided by, you know, getting left by you.

17:39And there, you know, there's blood. He leaves a trail of blood around him like, what are you talking? That is not what happened. But he means now I must digress a tent. I met my wife in 2017. And at the time, wait, does she exist? Because there's another, yeah, I mean, I had to say, but I'm saying a lot of people act like you don't have a wife. And it's all made up. And I'm just like, how do you deal with that? I don't care about it. Okay. I don't. Yeah. Like, would that be, would that be a thing? If I had been a good soldier and been fully vaccinated? That's actually a fair question. Would any of this be a thing? What people would be like? Would these, would these, would these X's, would these teammates, would anybody, would they have a platform if it wasn't invoked to like rip on the non-vaxed, you know, immunized guy who lied to his teammates and his organization? It's all f**king bullshit. But in 2017, I met my wife. And at the time, she was leaving the states and going back to Europe. And my biggest regret is not

18:42being bangin' her to stay or just like, mm, proposing right there. Yeah. Because that sent me into a tailspin of like, you know, I was, what can I be accused of as a, as a partner in a relationship? Like, I was emotionally unavailable, I think, for those, those seven or eight years. Because I had met the person that changed my life. And after that, I just poured everything ahead in the football. And I think I got a lot out of that, for sure. But I knew I was supposed to be with this one person. And I couldn't, we were separated by an ocean for a lot of it. Then, you know, she was engaged. Then, you know, I got engaged and, and luckily for me, who came back together. But the other part of that, so there's that, you know, Danica with her story of like a trail of blood and blindsided by me, you know, leaving her when it's like, all right, there's zero endomacy. We didn't, I didn't want to buy a house. We didn't want him any, any attachments. And

19:43uh, there was really nothing there. And then I'd hate Shaolin. And again, I feel like this needs to be told because there's just narrows out there, which by the way, you know, forever, the other thing people hit me on all the time was he's such a f***ing, so even his family hates him. Nobody knew anything that was going on with it. And I decided that I didn't want to play this out in the media because I didn't think that was right. Now, other members of my family would say things, whether the intent was to harm, a couple of times it was by a few of them, a couple of times they didn't really know what was going on. They didn't know what it would be like to have a son who was super famous. I didn't know what it would be like after a sewer would be super famous in the way that I was and how that changes relationships and the relationships dissolved. Now, full circle, they're back together. It's amazing. It's been great to have all those people, my little brother and my older brother and his family and my parents. That's been really, really special.

20:47How'd that come about? I'll give that. That's again, that's another so after that, what are you going to say about me? No, actually, we're good. We spend a lot of time together. But the other one is just like on this terrible partner, obviously, that would fake wife. I just want to say this. They're not actually shalee. I propose and she says yes. Now, she maybe felt like she was forced to make an decision. She could have said no. But not a couple of days after that, she tells me before you get married, I got to go f*** this guy. I'm like, because her story is that I ruined her life and gave her a crazy depression because I left her. But the actuality is she told me that and then she took off the ring by March. I proposed in December. It took off the ring by March and we had a couple times where we tried to get reunited and nothing ever happened. There wasn't even a relationship in 22 to break off.

21:52She literally told me I don't want to be with you. After we tried to have some sort of reconciliation in 2021. I'm like, there's just a lot of narrows out there that are just not true. They portray things a certain way because I can get away with it. If you say my name, I'll do respect that is do. When you say I'll do respect, there's that word do. That's the big part of it. How much is actually do based on what's been said? No one knows what they're doing. The height of their fame was when they were with me. They get clicks when they say my name. Just like the idiots on TV, get clicks when they say my name because I am a lightning rod because people actually give. Because there is a sign on the majority. It's like, I like this guy. He stands for something. There's the group of people that are like, I like the old guys. I pull for the old guys. That's what I feel watching. The Steph Curry's of the world or the older guys in the NHL with the three awesome guys we have

22:52are in Pittsburgh and the Tang genome and said, I pull for the older guys. There's that group. That's silent for the most part because if you come out and you say, I like that guy, whoa, he's a liar. He's a racist. He's a mage. He's a tinfoil hat wear because he believes in conspiracies. It's like, those people aren't out there. But when I say what I said on Pat McVeachel, I can't even tell you. Maybe it's a conservative campus. But all the workers at St. Norbert's pulled me aside in their own way and said, thank you so much for what you said. Thank you for talking about Pat McVeachel. Thank you for standing up for us. That's how I felt when they sent a stooge out to Green Bay in 2020 and he was 20 years old and he was talking about, you got to vaccinate it. Here's the data on getting vaccinated blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I just started asking questions. We were sitting six feet of separation in the in the creek. It's already an

23:52absolute joke. I started asking questions. I only want to ask questions. The point of the team president, Mark Murphy had to shut it down because I let's we're kind of done. I walked out of that meeting and every scout, everybody with a spine in the scouting department and coaching staff and everybody even forced because all the people were forced to get vaccinated. There was no like options and it wasn't like they I don't think and maybe they didn't have the access that maybe the players did to fake backscars. But they all said thank you for that. So there's a silent majority that actually like appreciated someone's willing to stand up and say stuff because honestly, there were a lot of cowards who didn't say anything who could have. There were a lot of guys who whose platform is built on health and wellness who I know for sure didn't get vaccinated. So I was out there catching strays. Fine. I was loud about it. I was f***ing hurt about the way I went down and I didn't like the attacks. I didn't like all these media people who I thought my friends turned their back on me. But it's like I was right about that. These other narratives by my exes are not rooted in truth at all. You know, portray me in their piggyback and I told them

24:58number one, stop talking about me. It's been years, five years. What are you talking about? You're not relevant. Like, like, stop talking about me. Move on with your life. Like, live your life. Also, too, you're lying about what actually happened. Like, I was actually a good partner, Deanna. And but yeah, I didn't want to buy any house with you and I didn't say a long term future. Okay, I don't wish you any harm unless you're, you know, throwing spells and shade my way. And say like, you left me. You took the ring off. Like, what are we talking about? I ruined your life. Like, just stop with the narrative. Time to move on. Move on with your life. Don't mention me. And that's how it goes for all these people, you know, who have issues with me, especially the two past teammates. Like, if you're only relevant when you're mentioning my name, like, you should check yourself. And there's a lot of terrible people on TV that get clicks out of it. And also ESPN is really scared. Why? Because I can speak up and speak my mind. And that Mac every thing rattled their feathers because I didn't just say that on Mac if he show who is honestly, I love Pat

26:01and he's done more for that network than any other horrible show they have on there. They think is they should pay those guys doing it. But I also said, you're a gutless organization. Because they haven't said anything. They spend so much time on certain issues, but you won't, you won't talk one second about the Deanna Racini situation. What just happened? Let's see, the owner of this, the Niners. It's listed a prostitute for $140 in Ohio. That literally was the number one topic when you click on ESPN.com, right? They will rotate the eight stories or whatever they have. But they usually have like the one story that's featured. That was the featured story. So you bringing how many millions of eyes to that situation? Why do you want to throw Chad Yorker on the bus? I don't know. But does that have the same effect as a reporter who's has intimate relations with a coach who has a vote for MVP, has a vote for coach of the year. I don't know if she's on a polyfame or not, but there's voting stuff. There was the thing about

27:05Morgan Moses going from the Jets to New England that was posted a day early. How many other inside stuff was shared? There are a lot of insiders out there. Do they all have strong integrity? I don't know. But the fact that the ESPN has been zero time on that story. But Chad York gets popped and saying, Frank, it's literally on the top of their role right now. That's hypocrisy. Do you have a reason why you think they didn't cover that story? Yeah. What do you think it is? I think there's a lot more to it. So it's deeper. Like the release should may have been longer. The NFL is going to protect the shield. And I respect that. But they're going to do by all means necessary. And that's an NFL partner now. They just bought the NFL network. So they're taking the words out. They got to be really careful. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web. Like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had opened for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense?

28:09There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up require compatibility and availability very 18 plus. You matched on hinge, you're vibing. Then her energy completely changes. What do you do? I'm Raven Smith and I wrote and read a real love story about this exact sitch. Listen to the free orj book now. Now let's move on to your family. How did that come about? How did it go about reconciliation and there's been a few things that have happened last couple of years, which has made the idea of reconciling with my parents first, an opportunity. We'll say just before you get into it, I got to meet your dad after a game. And I actually don't mean he was kind. And I appreciate that. Yeah. No, he was excited to meet you. You're one of the spirit players. He likes old guys, dude. His son's old. He's like he wants all the old guys to hang around and keep playing. And he likes the big guys. I mean, he's he was a 255 pound guard. He played in

29:12at Chico State University. No longer have a football team. But he was he was one of the big guys. Back then, 255 was like common 19. Well, that had been 70s. Yeah. Yeah. But so there was some some stuff there. And then it just I could tell I was coming to a time where I needed to make it right. My parents were wanting to move to Nashville to be closer to the Grandkids. And there was some tragic events that happened in Chico that kind of made them not feel as tied to it because my mom's from Mendocino County, in early California. My dad's from Southern California. There's an Air Force based down in town called Longpoke. My grandfather was in the Air Force. So he taught there. So but then they both met at Chico State. So that was in 19. You know, they got married in 80. I think they met in 76. Maybe so it was 50 years. You know, and we moved a couple times, but they were ready to leave, which is crazy. I have

30:15dearest actually the last day where they were in Chico was the day I met them at their house. The house that I bought them and built for them. And so again, full circle. All right. That was it was a cool for a full circle moment. And then a couple of weeks after that, I went out to Nashville and met with my older brother. And a couple of examples I met with my little brother. So it was cool. You know, there was a tough conversations for sure. But I'm just in a much better headspace. And I said it before, but my wife does her. She allowed the credit for that just to be able to get to that point where I could think about having the conversation. She was a big part of that. And not that she was pushing anything. She wasn't. It was more just when, and I think you guys probably relate this, when you're when you're loved by someone in such an unconditional and beautiful pure way, you know, it changes your perspective on all your relationships around that. You know, that's like it becomes your anchor point. It's like, wow, if I can be made to feel like

31:20this by this person, like, I feel like it, you know, opens up your heart in a really deeper way. You know, that I never experienced before. And because I mean a year ago, even two years ago, five years ago, for sure, like what I said, now I'm never going to reconcile. It's just not going to happen. It's not in the cards and not ready for that. Don't think I ever be. I don't think they're ever, you know, it was it was really built in judgment. You know, just like ego and judgment and ego and judgment gets in the way of basically any progress or evolution possible. So I had to really put those those aside, you know, and when the judgment disappears, you can actually see your parents who they are. That's flawed people. When you grow up, it's a tough thing because when you grew up, you're like Superman, super one. Like you never do anything wrong. Yeah, on a person. Then you then you go through those teenage years where there's just the angst in your frustrated and they're like, don't respond to them. And then and at some point, you go, oh, they were just like trying to do their best. Yeah. Now they made mistakes for sure.

32:20Everybody likes mistakes, but everyone makes mistakes. And it's the judgment of like, okay, now that I'm older and want to start a family, it's like, oh, they really had no idea what the **** they were doing. None of us do. But it's hard. But if if you the ego is in the way and the judgment's in the way, you can't even bring us out even think about that. I couldn't. And that was my that was the biggest hindrance to doing it. So it's been really beautiful to do that. My dad came up to a game. Hopefully we'll get all of them out. I was just talking with my brother's birthday, little brother's birthday. Yeshtah. He was just an Ireland calling a game. Little brother's yesterday. Yeah. 830. Yeah. My little brother's birthday is 829. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. You brought up your wife. How did you guys meet? We met in 2017. She was living in Austin. Yeah. And she'd gone to the University of Texas, which is also kind of weird because I hated Texas forever because of Mac Brown in 2004 and his shady voting him and his brother Watson in the

33:21polls. So I found out, you know, like, so then my wife went to Austin and then I found out my grandfather's my dad's dad who was like a war hero. He was he was a B. I mean, there's a 24 or 52. He was a fighter pilot and he was shot down over Hungary and had to spend a lot of time in a B.O.W. camp. And I found out in his he did a big deposition for like the war criminals act or something where he talked about the conditions he was in in the in the prison B.O.W. camps. It was wild. Just like a big file. Actually, the guy that wrote that book, unsolicited really that book about me. He gave me those those files, but it was interesting because I learned more about my grandfather and he had gone to Texas as well. So I was like, here's a school that I've always disliked, although I liked Vince Young and I had him in the Keebie room for a week or two. But yeah. But I never liked Mac Brown, but didn't like the university. And then

34:29my wife went there and my grandfather went there. So well. But then like I said, she moved over back over to Europe and then we kept in touch and there were a couple of times I thought things were going to work out and then you know, then she got engaged and I was like, oh yeah, that's done. Then I got engaged and I thought, oh, I'm done too. But then, you know, obviously, he had her own prerogative and took her ring off in three months. How'd you end up proposing there to my wife? Yeah. Well, we we eloped until it was it was quick. But I had a little something set up when I was when I was over there. The price for her. That's about all I'm gonna say about that. All right, let's let's switch gears a little bit. Let's talk about your accomplishments. Oh yeah. I know you love the talk about your accomplishment. I do not. Yes, talk about my I love the talk about your accomplishments. You want to make sure everybody knows how me

35:29MVP's I don't talk about my comment. I mean, I won four MVP. Everybody knows that. Doing quick Google search. Yeah, come on. How many provoles? I thought it it's it could be way more. If I had done, you know, and I'm not going to call out names, but the guys who are the third fourth alternates that go to the provolons and I'll get a provol. Not do you hate the provol because because like doesn't it just take away from I was in the last real provol. 2012 is the beginning of the end. Like the beginning of the end was before that when I played in 20 after the 2009 season, it was it was a real game. Yeah, it was we played hard. And I really want that truck, but in 2012, it was not it was the beginning of the end. And I was like, this is going downhill. But I think I've got 10, but I could have quite a few more because I was first altered it and they would call me and I'd always tell our guys, hey, I'm injured. Don't pass me on the physical because I want to go to the provol. If somebody drops out, I just

36:30crack up though. He's asking you this. Like he doesn't know every all pro he's got. What year he did it? He's a big spot right. Oh, no, you know, you know, you know who the big spot reference to. That's a good site. Yeah, because you've looked at it. Yeah, because TJ and her boy asked him how much he's made. Oh, they know to the to the cent. Oh, horse. Yeah. When you hear about all that, is there one accomplishment that stands out from the others? Superlumbi, pro vols, all pros. I think what I've always wanted to be defined for was aggressively, calculated quarterback play. So in 2018, I threw like 600 passes and through two picks, both tipped, but I had a streak. Why do you know that step? Buffalo and Chicago. We got the one and Eddie got the other one, I think. But I had to run and you have to look at

37:35the exact number, but I had a run that was crazy at home. Like at Lambo, I had like something like 600 plus, I hope it's at least that much somewhere between five and 600 straight passes without an interception. That's five hundred and eighty six good second passes without an interception. I've heard it since 2012 to 2015. That is an insane stat. One thousand forty three days without an interception. That is ridiculous. That's insane. Forty died touched out in September. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's a very good run. That's pretty good. Yeah. Your MVP years 2011, 2014, 2020, 2021. What's the best version of you as a quarterback? Honestly, 2016 was the best version of me. 2016. I didn't win MVP. I could have met Ryan when they went 14 and two. Only because we, so 2016, I'm not talking to my family, my brothers in the

38:36batch are at I'm getting crushed by unnamed sources in the media were four and six. We just lose the Tennessee like 45, 24 down there. Yeah. And it was really rough. And then I was thinking about on that Monday like I was wearing my playoffs and nobody believed. And I was like, that looked at the schedule Monday night. The Tuesday I was looking at the schedule talking about I was like, we just beat Philly here, but we could run the table. And then so I said it on that Wednesday in my press conference. And I played some of the best football during that stretch of my career. Those last six, we weren't a great team, but we won the six in a row to make the playoffs. Then we win the wild car. Then we went into the visual run. I mean, like the visual was against Dallas. It was the one seat. Now we all didn't have a great one in the last game against Atlanta that year. But yeah, but that was that was a really good run. Now the best I played start to finish.

39:37I mean, 2020 was a little bit 48 and five is pretty damn good with a 70% completion percentage. Little bit unfair. Yeah. That's, I mean, that is that is a stupid. I got all home games. There was no crowd. Oh, there's no crowd. That's a good point. How easy was that? That was that was we played in Minnesota. We won. And I think we drew them off sides four times in Minnesota. Now you're talking about the hardest places to play in my career. Right? Number one, old metronome. It was pumped in noise. It was crazy atmosphere. That's number one. Number two, sea ox in Seattle. You can't hear a **** thing. Yeah. Right. Number three, probably the new biking stadium. Right? And we played there. It's super loud. The way it's built, it's not acoustically like perfectly similar to Seattle, where it's like whatever they did with the acoustics. It doesn't take a whole lot. You not be able to have a conversation. Like I remember we played in Oregon, which was I think built by the same design. We played

40:40Oregon in college and the band was playing and we were in the walkthrough and I couldn't have a conversation with Cam. It was that that just the band was playing Seattle's like that, where it's just like, definitely. But Minnesota was like that too. And week one, I drew them off sides four times. Zimmer was playing. I don't know. He wasn't pressuring off for some reason, but I threw like for three, 16, four touchdowns. I was like, oh, this could be a really good year. Because the next year I won MVP, we played in Jacksonville week one. It's a saying. It's in last 38 to three. JMO, James Winston had five touchdowns. Blue is out. I was like, oh, well, guess I'm not going to win MVP this year. But like, you brought up something very interesting. You talked about Matt Ryan, winning the MVP in 2016. He mentioned the record. He was 14 and two that year. Does that play a big stat? I mean, play a big part in winning the MVP. I think so. And I think you should. You do. Yeah. Why is that? Because

41:42when you take care of the football and you give yourself a chance to win, like that should be a part of it. Now, if you have a dominating number one defense and you're not maybe the most dynamic player, I get it. Most valuable player, though, maybe shouldn't call it most valuable player. Sometimes. Best player on the best team is often where it goes. I don't think that's wrong either. I think it's part of it. Now, I will say and you know, I had a couple near misses too. Like, 2016, right? I was in the mix. 2012. I was definitely in the mix as well. And then we ran into the buzz saw known as Adrian Peterson. I mean, he deserved to win it. But like, I always say, like, who's the best back every single day? A AP? Yeah. He says that too. Yes. I mean, he was different. Yes. He could outrun you, run you over and do everything in between. I mean, he was when he got going that gallop going. That's exactly you describe it to the gallon. He was incredible. 2012.

42:45You know, so that was that was another one. Good. Good. I've been close. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web. Like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had opened for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up require compatibility and availability very 18 plus. I want to date with Rawls. Cati says. Rawls? Ruffer-ass? This is the love story of real hinged couple, Cartian Rucker. Written and read by me, Nicola Dynan. Listen to the free audio book now. What quarterback that doesn't get enough credit when it comes to history? Well, I think currently deck press got. I like deck. I'm a big fan of decks. I would say all time.

43:51I mean, there's certain guys that revolutionize the position. I think we need to think about that and we think about the players that made the biggest impact. Nellie, I think about going back to Randall Cunningham and Steve Young. Steve for me was like, I was a Joe Montana guy. So at a hard time with Steve in the beginning, but Steve had incredible career and he changed the way the position was played. Him and Randall. I think it was because of those guys that a Michael Vic comes along. And because of Michael Vic, you get Lamar Jackson. I think there's these guys have paved the way that are really important to the fabric of the history of the league. Steve was one of my favorite players and I've got to know him. He's a great, great human being. Michael Vic is awesome. Comes to my charity event every year. Thanks for that. But I mean, how many guys growing up there are my age? Play with Michael Vic and Madden. No, everybody. I think he used to be a hallfamer because of that. Yeah, because he changed the game. 100% changed the game. And, but I love the, you know, I love watching Randall growing up too because Randall could just throw that thing.

44:55And he could move around. He was active. But I was always a 9 or 5. So I would say Steve, you know, there's like Damarino was a really good player. Didn't win. So he's not kind of treated the same. But I think for anybody like Dan, even myself, to some extent, like there's a difference between the being the greatest player of your era and greatest winner of your era. Yeah, like winning is a team sport that obviously takes great quarterback play. But the way that the guys you play against talk about you is most important. Like who's most difficult to prepare for? And I think that's what, and you know, Pats already got like three suerbles. But like for I feel like for me, I was that guy for a long time. It was really hard to deal with when I could really move around and run. And in Pat came along. And it's like, well, this guy can beat you his legs with his arm with arm angles and doing different things. And you know, obviously we'd all love to win a ton of suerbles. But

45:57you want to be regarded as the best player. Well, not many guys have your efficiency too. 1.4 for interception percentage all time that the rushing touchdowns. I mean, it's at your peak. If not the best one of the best ever, no doubt. Take the titles and the wins out of it. So you don't think QB a win stat is a QB stat then. Not fair to give that that. Oh, I don't know. I'm like in those discussions. I'm not gonna give a fuck about that. Like is a suerible quarterback? That is a is a whan a quarterback stat and like. It seems to be put on y'all shoulder a lot, though, right? They play it down to how many suerbles of the quarterback win it feels like where I don't think cam's getting as much of he doesn't have a super bowl. So he's going to be out of all. A lot of bad quarterbacks are on good teams. One's a very true. Yeah. There's a lot of guys that have bad performances to a bowl and still want to. This guy's it weren't MVP of suerbles at quarterback. Does that go in their cap or not? No, they won the suerble. They won the suerble. They were a part of it. It's great. But I mean, at the same point, like you want both. Yes.

47:01Any you want to be the best and be the champion. Anybody who says differently, like Kobe Bryant said this to me, like Kobe want to be the best. We win the championship. Yeah. That's awesome too. Mm-hmm. They want to be the best. Michael Jordan got both. He was the best and he won the most championships. Yeah. You know, so who are you messing yourself up against? No, I'm not. I don't care. He doesn't care. I don't believe that's one bit. No, I mean, I got all the accolades. Let's play. Do the talk. I know how people talk about me. I know a defense corner is prepared against me. I know they're probably happy to not be worrying as much about my legs these days. Yeah. Because there was a time I could beat you with my legs. I wouldn't run in for a thousand years, but I was I was getting out of the pocket. Yeah. You had a few Russian touchdowns last year, though. You still move a little bit. One. Hey, hey, hey, listen. The last one he made everybody. I know he did everything. Mike T. The good guy. I was in my favorite things.

48:03I showed Mike T. He was like doing a couple times. I think they're down conversion with your feet too in the Raven game too. Yeah. He made a couple plays. I just will say when we went to Chicago and you weren't playing, I told TJ, we get a **** in touchdown. You better do the discount double check. And he **** did it. And it went crazy. I hated missing that game with I mean, I just could not grip a ball. Yeah. You know, I wore a cast for like four or five weeks, but I could not grip the ball that week. It was, you know, it was six days after I'd broken it in four spots, but I'm like, I desperately wanted that was like in the beginning of season. It was like, yeah, I wanted to play Green Bay. Yeah. But it was in Pittsburgh. Right. I could not wait to go back to the soldier field. That would have just killed me. And the fans were awesome. Yeah. It was a great environment. I love Chicago. I know they hate me. I love Chicago fans. Yeah. Even when I told them that I own them, it was because everybody in the front row was flipping me off. Yeah. And screaming at me, I was like, but I love that. They are great sports fans. Yeah.

49:07And the interactions were amazing. I can be people who flip me off in the stands. People like, it was, I love it. What was the part? What was it like being part of the AFC North rivalries now? That's good. It's really good. You know, it's different. Like it doesn't have the same energy for me just because I grew up with so many of these. I grew up in the league with like playing as Erlacher and Briggs and Penitilman and Chicago and planning its Vanibosh and Sue and Fairly and you know, all those crazy guys they had there. And then Minnesota was what? I mean, my first year starting in Allen. They had Pat Williams. Kevin Williams. Jared Allen. Jared Allen and Edwards. And then you had E.J. Henderson, Ben Lieber, Chad Greenwood. I mean, Antoine Wimpfield was one of the best, you know, outside inside corners that we had seen at that point. You know, like one of, in my opinion, like the three guys I could do it, Charles Wittsing could do it, Rhonda I could do it in Antoine. Like a super high level. Because playing a nickel at a high level, there's different than playing the outside. Yeah.

50:13But like, going up in those rivalries, like you just, you had so much more opportunities. But I feel the, I feel the hatred in some of them and I feel like the competitive balance. I was saying last year, like we hated Minnesota and I feel like that is, that's the Pittsburgh and Chicago and Cleveland. And then we wanted to beat the Lions. And I feel like that's the Cincinnati, Pittsburgh. And then we respect. Obviously, really want to beat him. But there's more of a respect between Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Maybe I'm wrong. But that's kind of true. But I think that would be in the Super Bowl when there's just a history there that screams excellent. All right. I'm going to play a game with you. I'm going to give you five things. You tell me if they're overrated underrated, right? PFF grades. PFFs and you give us your audits to pick you because we had to Sean Elliott on and he went in on PFF. Well, you first have to know some of

51:19the ownership of PFF. He called that out. And he did. Second, they have no idea what scheme you're running, what the responsibilities are. How it all works together. Nothing to say about. If I don't, I never even check my grade. I think it's a joke. The only time I'm ever even exposed to is if you're watching Sunday night football and they put up and it's a joke, you'll be like, that guy's a really good player and he's rated 34 out of 45. I'm like, what the f*** is judging that? It's wild. He's is always pretty good. He is always good. So he does a fan. Yeah. I'm going to go NFL combine over it. I mean, just the whole setup of it, you know, for me, and this is way back in the days, like I fly from the West Coast and then I have a 5am drug test. That's 2am on my body clock. Then I do the Cybex. All right. It burns you legs out. Then at the time, I had 32 doctors pulling on my one year out of surgery ACL. This is all before I ran. Then another day,

52:21I went to a random MRI facility and sat there with a sack lunch, which was a sandwich and an apple for like six hours. They left me there. Then they came back and got me. Yeah, I think it's over. Yeah. I think there's a better way to do it. Now, I don't know. It's got to have gotten better. But yeah. All right. Let's go one of your favorites. Pat McAfee. What's the overrated underrated underrated? He carries game day and the hate that he gets for that is absolutely ass and nine. Carries game day. I mean, I'd like Kirby. I've always like her being Corso. Corso is now retired, but like Pat is the show anywhere he goes. Well, I think he can do wrestling. He can do anything he wants really. Were you ever going to go to his concert thing and show up? We laughed about it. He's like, it'd be awesome. He just came in. I said, I'm not coming. Tell the truth. You thought he was coming. I thought you were coming. I thought for sure. I told him. I was like, he said, I haven't told anybody. He's like, you're coming. I said, well, don't tell anybody

53:23I'm coming because I'm not coming. Yeah, that was crazy. Overrated underrated Mike Tomlin. Underrated. All right. Last one podcast. Which doing podcast? Just doing podcast. Oh, I don't know. I get it. It is what it is. I mean, summer, summer bed at the really bad. And this was not one of those. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Appreciate it. I got one for you. Talking about butterflies. Butterflies? Yeah. Well, I saw that in Niggabot. So I figure I bring it up. I was talking about the whole aspect of butterfly. You know, the stages. Overrated. Bro, how many times have I sent you that one picture of you playing the ball? I love it. I love it. I love it. It was a good time. He was fried. He was. It's all right. So I was actually wasn't that you were not. I was on the come down. Wow. The eyes. Everybody's eyes. That was after the last.

54:31So the last ceremony you start later. So we usually start like seven into two o'clock or three. Oh, this was you start at nine o'clock at night and you don't stop till the sun up. It's crazy. Listen, I retired from this breaking news here. I'm retiring from the NFL in a year. I'm retired from plant medicine effective immediately. I mean, no more memes. No more gifts. Nothing. Please. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. The dark district like overrated. Oh, yeah. Did you come out feeling any better? No. No. That was bored out of my mind. I would never ever do that again. Would you do the ayahuasca? I would never say I would never do that again. Yeah. I think it can really help people. I don't

55:31recommend it because it's not easy at all. But I don't know. I mean, I have no plans to do it. My wife at one of me asked this, what were you thinking after you took it? Like, what realization did you come to? I mean, it was really important for me in my journey where I was at. For dealing, self healing and then healing, you know, some of the relationships around me. Also, you know, I've always been fascinated by the idea that there's more going on in the world than you can see. And that opened my eyes to a lot of that. But, yeah, I mean, it's tough. It's some people I took many people over the years and some people are blocked and didn't have a whole lot going on. Some people had some more magical experiences. I've had, you know, a little bit of both. I mean, what's the craziest thing you've seen? I can't even say. Yes, you can't. This is sanctity of that. Yeah. You just got to let him. You want to, you try it and you can, you can give your own experience. Listen, I'll just say that me personally, like the, like the, the night of the bongos, right?

56:38I had the, the giggles for hours. I was just so happy. I had the giggles for hours. I sat in front of the Maestro. It was like a man and his wife and then like a couple of other women. And he was playing a guitar. And as I said in front of him, he didn't have a head. You're a head. That was a funny thing. I could not have laughed at him. But nobody's around me, like, laugh with me. And then, yeah, see, do some hallucinations. Losing anything. Oh, God. That was, that was pretty well. He actually had a head. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Of course. Of course. Next morning, you're like, Oh, he does have a, oh, there it is. All right, and we like to play a game here with all of our guests. You've been great answering all of our questions. Now it's your turn to ask him any question you want. He has to answer every question. And as many as you want, the floor is yours by front. I wasn't prepared for this. I told you this yesterday. Why are you lying?

57:42Well, let's see here. Do you want to do plant medicine? Is that why you're asking me? Are you open to it? I would like you to actually, if he wanted to get into it, slowly get him into it. Cam is kind of a straight-laced guy. So how would you go about that? Actually, to an extent, it grow it up. He was. He was our DD growing up. Yeah. Growing up. That was I. That happened. We turned out pretty good. Yeah. Good job. Okay, I'll ask you two questions. First one is, I like this question is why I'm asking it to you. Like, what would you tell your young self, in the league, young self, first couple of years? Because I remember for me, like, I was so nervous all the time. Like, you know, it just, I made me like, miss out on some of the joy in this because I just was so crazy to like, perform well and study all night. And I'm like, and it really, it's not that serious. You know, like, it's important, but like, can't miss out on the, I would say, he can't miss out on the fun with the guys and the lessons and the locker room. But what would you tell your younger self?

58:47I think the thing I struggled with my first couple of years was not playing. And then how many years you not play? First two years, I barely touched the field. And so, I would go, I would go to a game like upset. I think I cried before even getting to the stadium because I wanted to play so bad. But I never, I like to affect like relationships and like teammates because like, I love those dudes. And like, I respect them. Like, these dudes just went to the Super Bowl and lost. Like, I'm appreciative of just the ****ing be here, but like, I want to be on the field. But I think just understanding the patience of it all because like, you want to be in this thing for a long time and like, you want to appreciate these moments. But like, your time's going to come. Like, you've just got to, you got to be ready. And I was, but, you know, I remember just calling me like, man, I don't even want to go to the game because I'm just so upset because I want to be out there with those dudes. Like, you, you create these relationships with like, man, I want to, I want to give everything I can to them. And like, you know, when you're only doing field

59:47goal, you're not doing anything. And so I always felt like, how am I like supposed to pull my weight, how am I supposed to like, because I felt like I dealt with like, in posture syndrome for so long, because like, I wasn't doing enough. And I still feel that way. But like, it's just like, you have to be patient with your time and really work on your craft during that time. And much I did. But it was hard for me to understand the effort. I don't know. One more question. It's a multi-parter. How old were you when your father passed? I was 16, going on 17. All right. So my two-parter is like, first, for those of us that never got to meet him. Yeah. Like, what was he like? And what's like your fondest memory? Number one. And the number two, like, how has like his life and death affected your relationship with your wife and your kids like me and a father? Well, I sort of last part first, like meeting my wife and seeing

1:00:51my kids. I feel like I'm always going to miss that part of them getting to meet my dad. Like, I get to see, I look at my kids and I can say like, man, they're stubborn as hell. But that was my dad to like a tea. And you know how cow can be cow is just cow changes the room. Like he is the life of the party. That's my dad on steroids. Like, and you know, I think those special moments where I don't get to have, I get, I don't get to have him in the room. I miss that. Like, I don't get to have my dad at a Christmas or I don't get to have him for their birthdays. And like, missing these monumental moments in my life, I'm always pretty upset about. I don't like to talk about it. Because like, you know, it's nearer to my heart, but like those people, they should have had an experience with him. And so like when I was fortunate enough, and my dad was getting kicked out of

1:01:52basketball courts and stayed, he was going from the sideline. And he got kicked out of a church league because he was cursing out the ref, which was crazy. Or, you know, my dad used to always go to take me to school and be blaring rap music. I'm like embarrassing the sh** out of him. I hate that. But like, looking back, I'm like, damn, my dad was cool as f**k. Like, and so having those moments like wrapped up in me were like, man, I wish like I, they could experience that and have their grandfather around. I wish they got to do that too. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for doing this part. It's been awesome to just let you explain and talk about what you wanted to talk about. You promised it was not just football. You did. Yeah. We gave you the platform. Is there anything we missed that you wish you could have talked to us? There's, I mean, multi, multi part. I can go on and on. Like, what do you want to talk about? Let's go. We'll have to do another part another time. I think the thing, you know, the thing is like that I would

1:02:53just to answer my own question. Like, the beauty in aging is experience, you know, and experience. Like, I look at like the older people I respect the most and they don't lose any energy, sleep, time to worry about what other people think about them. But when you're young, that's really hard. When you grow up in the league, that's really hard because you care so desperately about. And I don't care about, you know, like being right or being righteous anymore. I just, I do care about the truth and I care about what people have been saying about me for a long time. Narratives that just are not true. And I think part of the beauty in going to the jets and to the Steelers is that I was around new people that had been around. And so people got to see a different side of me. And if you go back to the 2023 summer, people really enjoyed hard knocks, learn more about me. Now, they, I got hurt than I talked about COVID and they all turn back on me again in 203. But then coming here, I did want to clean slate. And I want to be able to

1:03:57get to know me for who I am that I desperately love football. I love competing in it. I have a heart for my teammates, you know, so all these narratives out there, you know, that my exes were saying that two, really two former teammates said. And the COVID stuff has paid this picture of who I am. That's just not an accurate representation. And as I blend into obscurity, which I really look forward to after this season, you're going to be, you're going to be on TV with Mike to you. These will be the last words that you'll hear from me. And Might as well go out with a bang with the truth, whether or not you want to hear it, that's fine. Doesn't happen. Doesn't bother me. Where they're not, you actually hear it. Some people hear, but they're not listening. Where they hear it. Doesn't bother me. Whether you actually hear what I'm trying to say. That's up to you. But I'm going to keep speaking the truth. And I appreciate the platform to do it on your show. And hopefully some extra eyes will come to it. Appreciate that. And get on board with the Steelers this year because it's going to be a fun last ride.

1:04:59We'll see. Maybe there's another year. Oh, don't do that. Don't do that to me again. Don't do it. No more bongos. Can we at least get a Nigma part two? You know what you do. Why don't you do one? You should do one. Your last season. We'll take it down to the jungle show. Bring the show. Can we all go? I would love what you do. If you didn't tell me, you'll be great people out. You laugh a lot. If I could have one wish, God, please in this world. Great spirit. Where was up there? I just, I want Cam to experience one night of I and then put some bongos in front of them. You can't help but play the bongos. You're so excited. Bongos are fun. And they're just they're kind of a rudimentary. Like there's not a whole lot going on. It's like very instant sound is just very little between the different parts of the bongo. But when you're playing those things and you've had a little medicine. Oh my God. You think you're the greatest drummer in the history of the world? There's not anything more fun in your mind. Like you think of my pictures. How could there be anything more fun in this moment right now than playing the bongos in front of a headless guitar?

1:06:03Let's go. Let's go. All right. I don't know. Next year. High wasca. We're going. That's what I want. We're doing it. Wow. I'll set you guys up. Sounds good. You have to come. We're doing it. You have to go out and join us. We're doing it. Let's see. You got bongos? We'll get we'll make sure we up on. Yeah. All right, Aaron. I want to say thank you so much for coming on. It's been a pleasure. There's not more I can say right now. Love to do this later. Mm-hmm. After we win this week. Okay. All right. After we win it. After we win it. Definitely not doing this on ESPN. No sit down. That's how we ended right there. All right. Thank you so much for listening to the pod. Like us subscribe. We'll see you next time. Sit. Listen to the free audio book now. This episode is brought to you by chat GPT. Hey,

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