Activism in the North of England — with Cumbria Action

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Hello, everyone.

This is Dianne Rasmussen with UKICOLUM.

I'm really happy to be here today talking

with Brent Holloway and Chris Allen from Cumbria Action.

I had the pleasure of meeting them fairly recently

when I went to one of their rallies

and spoke about Digital ID and Agenda 2030

and at all of the really important issues

facing us right now in this country and around the world.

So, Chris and Brent, thank you so much for joining us today.

I'd like to just have you maybe introduce a little bit

about yourselves and about Cumbria Action.

So whoever would like to go first,

I'm happy to hear from you, thanks.

I suppose I should start.

I created a group in early or to mid early September

and having looked around online,

wanting to get involved in local activism.

Primarily, having seen and witnessed

what's happened lower down the country,

the likes of Epping and the successes

that had just simply by having a calm and peaceful approach

to resisting the regime as it was.

I looked around my local area to see

if there was anything going on that I could get involved in

and having come up fairly dry

or some of the groups weren't necessarily

on message with what I believed in.

I just thought, well, I'll make my own

and not really thinking it was going to explode

in the way that it did.

Yeah, it really took off.

You think is the thing that got it to go off so quickly?

I think there are a huge section of our society

that have gone unheard and unnoticed for the longest time.

I'm sure we're all aware in every circle we move

and there's a lot of people that lean in and whisper

when they talk about the issues of today.

And given people that platform to voice it

and a direction to go in has been extremely positive,

people have latched on to it really quite enthusiastically

because they suddenly have a voice

and we have a direct line to the people in local power

whereas before people are emailing and voting

and seemingly being ignored.

But with conveyor action and that message

and the unifier of having a central area

for people to assemble and voice those opinions

has been a real asset to the county in my opinion.

That was my impression when I was there with you a few weeks ago

that there were a lot of people really frustrated

and patient with things and really wanted their voices heard.

And I was actually, I was really happy

with how positive the whole thing felt personally.

I don't know if it's been that way for everything

that you've done so far.

But just that sense of community, that sense of,

I'm not alone, I'm not the only crazy one

thinking these things are feeling this way.

I think it was, yeah, it was really good to feel that for me personally.

They're all of a similar mind.

And like they come in out of the woodwork,

people sort of do the go to thing and pop their heads above the ground.

And notice actually there's another 10,000

ghosts that I'll hear in this field and that's a real positive message.

I think my favorite part of the day

was seeing that group of teenage boys giving each other a group hug

when I was there.

It's great to see young people.

It was so, it was great.

It was just really a, yeah, we're reaching people.

For reaching teenage boys, we're reaching some people.

So, Brent, how did you get involved in the group?

I've been involved in activism for 15 years or so.

Almost, it's been a long time.

And after the Manchester Arena bombings,

I ran a group called Standing for Britain.

We did a lot of protests against, or forms of terrorism.

March with the veterans against terrorism

and football at the lines and things.

And then during the whole COVID, COVID nonsense,

during the lockdowns, I've organised local meetups in Cumbria,

getting people together when everyone else was isolating.

I helped my best mate Tim to set up the UK's first

awake festival, Carry on Camping.

And from that, a lot of other festivals springboarded from that.

And we've purposely put on the, that, our first festival

to bring people together with purpose.

We put it on during lockdown because we've never complied

with this sort of thing.

And I've also, I've actually got a track record of having

a small victory against the medical establishment

and basically reclaiming my body, bodily autonomy.

And then, more recently, with a scene, Chris's group,

provisionally, Carlyle Action, then formed Cumbria Action.

And wanted to get involved.

I liked what he did and what he stood for.

So I've got involved.

I'm aware you had a couple of great, great demonstrations

with lots more in the pipeline as well.

So you've been, you've been quite active for a while.

Was it, was 2020 what woke you up?

Were you active before that?

I've seen for a good number of years

seeing what's happening to this country

and the way things are going.

And then it was after the Manchester Arena bombings,

that's when I ran a group called Standing for Britain.

And over a good number of years, we had various protests

and demonstrations supported other groups.

And we did a lot in terms of activism from that.

So it started with that group against the reforms of terrorism.

And I've kind of always been awake since then.

I always like to question things.

So when the start of news reports came out surrounding COVID,

my first reaction was to actually look into it myself.

Look at the research and the data,

even though in the beginning it was early stages.

And Storris just didn't quite add up.

Things from, for example, the false reporting

using things like PCR tests, which

doesn't show you what I see you're sick with.

And just the fact that if somebody dies within 28 days

of COVID tests, it goes down to COVID tests.

So very quickly realized something was a bit fishy.

And I also have a little bit, not so much a problem

with the strategy, but when the government tells me,

I can't go out, I have to stay in my house.

I actually went out more during the lockdowns

than I did previously, because I wasn't going to stay inside.

It was good to be out during that time

because there wasn't any traffic.

I had some nice car rides and things during that period,

because you weren't fighting anybody for space on the roads.

It was great.

Yeah, I mean, that's great to hear that you've

been involved for so long.

And the fact that you're still here doing the work

is what is really, to me, inspirational about this.

Because I think something that we've

seen, I guess, in the past couple of years,

that people think that we're back to normal.

But of course, you both know that we're not.

And that it's actually getting more pressure on us now,

I think, because they're panicking.

And they're not where they want to be.

And this is why we have to keep working.

And this is one of the things that I would like us to talk about.

And because what we're trying to do

is to get people to realize that we can all do something,

which is why I was really, really anxious to talk to you,

because you're doing something local in your community.

And this is what we think we need to be doing around the country.

So it's great to hear that you've been involved for so long

and that you're still doing it.

I guess I'd like to ask you, because you've

been doing this for so long, and you were organizing lockdown

protests.

And so what do you see the differences in the responses

that you get and the participation that you get

if you compare 2020 and 2025?

Do you think there's a difference in the people

that are joining you?

I think there's a massive difference.

The first big difference is the numbers.

Whether you look to social media, for example,

when any time a new story came out around COVID

and the lockdown, the majority of all the feeds and everything

that was getting talked around social media

was in support of the whole fake pandemic.

And it was a case of the few people that would comment asking

questions would be shut down straight away.

Found on social media recently, it's kind of flipped on its head.

So the most people that talk on these sort of stories

actually point out all the false reporting

and are actually awake to COVID and the lockdowns and things.

And then even with demonstrations and seeing numbers

increase, I've seen less people wearing masks

and just in general, I think that people are fed up

with the lockdowns.

People can see how ridiculous it was.

And as a positive thing, I think that even though that's

with their agenda there, they're going

to keep pushing these sorts of things

they may in the future be the pandemics and lockdowns

and things, but people are wise to it now.

People are fed up with it.

So I don't think in any regard they're

going to have the same sort of effect as they did previously.

And also, for example, going through organizing these lockdown

protests and then helping my friend

with these carrying on camping festivals

kind of brought people together.

So even though a lot of friends and family kind of pushed me

aside kind of from my views on speaking out against COVID,

I've gained so much more friends through these meetups

and these festivals.

So there's actually a real community that has come together

through that.

And one thing I found through this is that nobody

needs to feel alone anymore.

So even if they do in the future have more lockdowns,

more restrictions, things like that, I think there's now

like a really good grass root community of people

that will support each other and not comply with this nonsense.

So it's really good to see this sort of community

coming together.

I think what I'm seeing is that even though there

are people who think we're back to normal,

we don't have to keep fighting what I do see.

And this is just be sort of reading Facebook comments

on all of the posters recently saying,

oh, it's time to line up for your winter jabs.

Get your boosters now.

And you see all the comments.

People are like, no, I'm not doing it.

It's ridiculous.

I'm not doing it.

But they keep trying to push down on people saying,

you've got to get your COVID boost.

You've got to get your flu booster.

And I just see it's a very different response

to what I used to see back in 2021

when everyone was lining up for it all.

And I think, unfortunately, people

have learned the hard way.

They've lost people they loved because they've

passed away from the M&R A side effects.

They've lost family members that didn't agree with them.

They've lost friends.

But as you said, though, the positive side of that

is that we've all had to create new relationships

with new people.

And I think in some cases, because we found people

that are maybe more like-minded than what we had in our lives

previously, that some of those relationships,

I think, for some people, are more meaningful.

And based on a common understanding

and a way of seeing the world, and that we're actually,

we are, I think, creating community

that maybe we didn't have previously.

And even though it's been sad that we've all lost people,

whether it's just through ending relationships, which

I hear about constantly, or people who have sadly passed

and will never be with us again,

what we have to do, I think, is rebuild and move forward.

And we have great opportunities to do that.

We just have to get out and do it.

And so going back to you, Chris, if we're thinking locally,

which is where I think that's where a lot of this needs

to lie is locally, because we can't go out

and defeat the UN's agenda single-handedly.

So we have to start locally.

And what I've been saying for a while is we branch out.

So we start in company, or we start for me here in County

Durham, where we start, wherever we are.

And then we join together, but we have to have be strong locally.

So I'd like to hear a little bit more from you

about when you started what was Carlisle Action,

and just take us through the process of what you've done

and what others who have helped you, Maxine and the others

that are working with you, how did this grow so quickly?

It was obviously very grassroots organic movements,

but how did this actually work for you?

It absolutely grew like wildfire.

I created the group on Wednesday afternoon.

And before I'd really had chance to kind of go back

and look at it again, I had 300 followers.

And I thought, Mikey, that was fast.

And then by both the play of the first week,

we had 1,000.

And I kind of thought, this is mad.

I'm just some bloke who's noticed there's an issue.

I mean, I'm not alone in that clearly.

And that's literally all it took was just stepping out,

creating that space.

And people are clamoring for that voice,

and for that understanding and for that.

Because you know, just like when you post online,

normally the only people who will contact you back

are people you want them to give you grief.

People who are ultra-left wing,

people who are calling you Nazi, a bigot or whatever.

If you just air a perfectly rational, normal view,

normally you get shot down, but having a positive space

where everybody is of a similar mind,

we all have differences of opinion, of course.

And that's remarkably healthy and normal.

We shouldn't all be automatons thinking the same thing.

But having that network and that growing confidence

bothers to see has spread it to huge numbers.

It's a remarkably difficult to motivate people

to do most things.

Because very much like how they've engineered things,

people are too busy working and trying to survive

and raise their families.

People haven't really got the time to put in,

to stand on street corners and do email,

letter writing campaigns to the MP.

People are just too busy trying to survive the week.

So having that space locally where we can concentrate

on local matters has been a godsend for the group,

the movement as a whole, and more importantly,

the local people who, like I said earlier,

have gone unnoticed, unheard, and it's a pleasure

to see people come together.

I know that we all have issues that are all over the country,

all over the world, honestly, based on globalist agendas and so on.

But then we have local issues which are equally as important

because that's when we see how they're putting the agenda into place.

And I know that for you in Cumbria,

and I'd like to hear you talk about this,

that there's been the sort of what was the city of Sanctuary

and now the Council of Sanctuary.

And I know that's been a very recent thing for you.

So I'd like to hear a little bit about that.

We became aware of it.

We have certain whistleblowers and people who are aware of the local political machine

who've advised us about various things that are coming our way.

They have announced this city of Sanctuary idea in puff pieces in the local press.

But these are always puff pieces where they switch off the comments, of course.

And people don't really have their say or the opportunity to oppose it.

Now we were made aware that they were having a meeting last week

in where they were going to basically just rubber stampness.

And from listening to some of the media pieces about our attendance

and our protest there,

these meetings normally go completely unattended, completely unseen and unheard.

And they were remarkably surprised to see 50 of our members arrive to oppose the bill.

They were entirely unprepared for the fact that the population don't want this

and are willing to stand up and say no.

They are so used to just rubber stamping everything that they wish.

Now these people don't even read the bills, I'm sure.

I'm sure they just think, well, that sounds like a lovely thing to do.

So we'll just approve it.

Well, they never really appear to think about the negative impacts

on the local population.

It's already strained.

Britain as a whole is welcoming people.

And Cumbria, especially, our economy is based in many ways on tourism

to the local area, to the beautiful Lake District and the various other things

that we've got to offer.

So we're very welcome in an open community as it is.

We're not against strangers or other people coming to visit here

and enjoy what we've got to offer.

But at the same time, there are people that can't afford to live

and people that have been waiting 18 months for a dental appointment.

And there's people that are finding the same struggles that people

across the country are feeling.

And I think just to simply rubber stamp a new policy

which invites whoever they wish to come and join and live here,

I think without any real oversight or fact finding is reckless

in the short term, but psychotic in the long term.

The infrastructure here is already at breaking point as it is.

And I just think it's about time that these people

have heard the no from the population, which is out there screaming it no and saying no.

And finally, they appear to be being heard for once.

Could you explain a little bit for people who might not be aware of what the sanctuary means?

Because it does sound very nice, but it's not exactly what it sounds like.

So if you can maybe explain that a bit, yeah.

It sounds absolutely delightful.

I mean, if we were a huge success and the nation had a surplus, then of course,

you know, it's a beautiful thing.

Basically, the policy says we will open our city and our hearts, of course,

to anybody that wants to come here, anybody that needs a leg up,

anybody that needs help and that includes migrants, both legal and illegal,

that includes, as they say, victims of domestic violence.

I'm not sure how that factors in.

I think it was just more to kind of sweeten the deal publicly.

Children who need fostering all of the rest of it.

Now, we all know that that's just the smoke screen

and what they actually mean is it's just more migrant people.

Because, yeah, fair enough, we might be able to help a couple of domestic violence survivors,

but this is in a city where we don't actually have a dedicated women's refuge.

Well, that would certainly be a good place to start rather than just opening the doors.

Perhaps if that's the focus, then we want to look after victims of domestic violence

and families in trauma and children, then perhaps have dedicated services for them,

rather than just thinking, oh, we'll just add them to the fire

and hopefully nothing negative will come from it.

Basically, what they want is just to appear lovely and kind to the rest of the nation.

And, you know, that's nice in peacetime,

but we are in a position where people are already struggling on a huge scale.

So, perhaps it's not really the focus of your local councillor

considering opening the doors to the entire third world.

Perhaps we should open our doors to our local people first.

No, I absolutely agree with that.

And as someone who moved to this country was actually asked to come here

to teach your children in universities, that was over 10 years ago,

but I also know that the process that I went through was very, very different

from what I'm seeing with those who are coming in.

I paid a lot of money in visa fees over the years to be here legally,

had to meet certain criteria background checks.

All of the application process, it was a point-space system

where you got points for that by speaking English as a native language.

I had a doctorate.

I was going to be making a certain salary.

I had a certain amount of money to support myself to get over here.

And it was a very intense process.

And I now have permanent settled status here.

And I'm not complaining at all about what I went through

because I think it's completely fair that if you move to another country,

you have to meet the regulations and do what is expected of you.

And we have that in common.

My wife is a Philippine national.

And she went through this exact process that you've described.

She now works for the NHS at the infirmary.

And exactly the same process.

I personally, and our group is not Andy Migrant, Nitto.

We're Andy Mass, immigration, where it's literally to the rafters

as many people as we can fit.

Selective migration is key because we take the talents from across the world

and we can make what we have better.

So it would be madness to deny the skills and talent of the world.

If they want to come here, then snap them up, take them

because it's an advantage to all of us.

That's absolutely key.

So I'm fully aware of the difficult nature of actually getting here

when you've got something to offer.

It's a bizarre thing that you can come here

and you can be off on low skills and just want to live on benefits

and seem to be greenlit and rubber-stamped all the way home.

But when you've actually got some real skills,

it's an uphill battle.

It makes no sense.

And it's a two-tier system, if you ask me.

We talk about two-tier gear is kind of the nickname

that some people have for him, but it is a different system

for different people for being here for different reasons.

And one of the things I just saw yesterday in the news

was Rachel Reeves is now announcing,

I don't remember the exact details,

but she's announcing benefits for second wives

for people in polygamous marriages.

Now, we know that's not British culture.

It's not Christian culture.

And I actually thought about how I know about a lot of stories

from people who come to me,

because obviously, in my position,

I hear a lot of stories from a lot of people

and the struggles that they're facing.

And this, if more people knew about this,

the people that are struggling for basic services

and for people that have needed a council house for years

and can't get one even though they live in the city they were born in.

And now we're seeing this coming in.

It's just, to me, it's quite insulting personally just to see this.

And I'm sure that there will be more outrage if this gets out more.

But these are the things that we're actually facing.

When I talk to people who say the people are getting immediate benefits

when they're coming in from another country.

I've talked to a taxi driver once.

He was telling me he drives people to council houses in his town

whereas his daughter can't get one and she's needed one for years.

So these are the things we have to look at

when we're looking at limited resources.

And I came here to add to your country not to take from it.

And I think most of us do come here with that intention

that come here for different reasons other than what's happening.

And so the migration policy is very strange

and we could get into larger discussions.

But we're not here to talk about that today behind maybe what's going on with that.

But yeah, it is quite concerning.

I guess back to Brent again, have you seen over these last several years

that you've been doing this?

Have you seen changes in not just numbers of people,

but are people just generally getting tired and fed up

and don't want to contribute anymore?

Is that something that you're seeing?

Are you seeing that maybe where are we turning a corner now

like with this whole digital ID thing?

Are there, is there like kind of ups and downs, I guess,

in interest and participation?

Is what I'm trying to figure out now

because it feels like we're ramping up again after the rage of 2020.

It feels like people are starting to come back.

But have you seen, because you've been doing this longer than I have,

have you seen a pattern in that,

things that get people out and active

and then then people just retreat?

Or is there any sort of, you know,

any sort of response to things?

That's been, there have been some changes over the years.

But things like mass migration

and all the side effects that come with that

from increased crime,

from undocumented migrants that are coming in,

from the hard to get doctors appointments and things like that.

There's, these things have been around for a number of years.

Back when I was sort of marching with standing for Britain,

these things were so present.

And as I said, we standing for Britain

was set up after the Manchester Arena bombings.

And so these things have happened for a long time,

but they just seem to be,

we're getting to kind of like a tipping point.

And people's frustrations are coming to the fore

because it's actually a range of things

that motivate people, some more than others.

And the biggest one is probably the mass,

mass immigration is one of the biggest problems that we face.

And I think that's kind of top of the agenda

for a lot of people because there's so many effects

that results from that.

But as you said, though, digital ideas as well

and eventually will take us towards digital currency

and social credit system.

And some people are also awakened against that.

But that's one of the things with conveyor action

is that we have a wide range of issues,

a wide range of people with various concerns.

But I guess the core tenon is people coming together

and being proactive in their community.

And I think that's one of the most effective things

that people can do because I know a lot of people,

myself included, that get disillusionized with politics,

especially at the top level.

And it's whether it's labour or conservatives or Greens.

It's nothing's ever going to change within any of them.

But that's not to say that politics doesn't work

or people can't have an effective change on their communities.

I think politics still can work

at a local grassroots level.

So whether it's getting independent MPs

or getting around people on the board on councils,

whether it be email or letter campaigns,

demonstrations and protests,

there's a lot that people can do to effect change

in their community.

But even if it's not on a kind of political activism

since even looking back at the lockdowns,

when everybody was staying indoors,

everybody was wearing masks,

but started bringing people together

in Cumbria for the lockdowns.

And we were having 50, 60.

I think once we had 70 plus people together

on the fields, just walking a nice big group,

no masks, no social distancing, nothing like that.

And granted, even on the Cumbria Fells in the middle of nowhere,

there were still people walking out with masks on,

which was quite a mechanical sight to see.

And we still had all sorts of,

oh yeah, it's social distancing as well.

And we had one,

I wouldn't think all are crazy,

but she was very animated.

And there's a large group of us out on the fields,

walking, just happy, no masks, anything like that.

And she came up to us and she was telling us that this is illegal,

this is against the law, there's more than six people living.

I know all that sort of nonsense.

But I found it positive, though,

the fact of just people coming together

and not being isolated, getting out and just ignoring these illegal lockdowns.

So I think, I guess the point of that is that whether it be political activism

through challenging councils and motion things like that,

or whether it be just bringing people together

and when they try and lock us down,

we simply say no, and we go down,

how about our business?

There's a lot of positive things people can do.

And I think all stems from being informed,

saying no, and just having the coverage

to stand up for your own rights and those of people around you.

Yeah, it's interesting to think about looking back at it

and what people believed and acted on at that time.

If you had had seven people in your walking group,

you all could have died of COVID, right?

The six people was okay.

You know, the things that they were saying at the time were just,

and I was living in Scotland in Glasgow at the time,

which I think had the strictest restrictions in anywhere in the UK

because Nicolas Sturgeon was in charge,

and her constituency was in Glasgow,

and she wanted to outdo Boris Johnson

in terms of making it look like she was protecting people.

But on that note, on local action, local councillors,

I'd like to hear from both of you on this issue

because I think this is incredibly important,

and it really gets to the heart of what we should be doing

is engaging with local councillors.

So I'm in County Durham, as I think you might know,

and we have a majority reform council here,

large, overwhelming majority reform

from the most recent election.

So things are quite different here.

We were the first county.

This was over the summer to repeal the net zero funding nonsense

because they realized that we have a lot of other priorities,

for example, going to taking care of children with care needs

and things where they decided to redirect the money.

And I attended that council meeting when they made that vote,

and it was interesting to watch how the decision happened

because there's some remaining Lib Dems and others

that were there who were opposing this saying

that was ridiculous and that we needed to save the planet

and all the money needed to get funded,

funneling back to the net zero scam.

Meanwhile, we have children who need help and care

and can't get it because there's no money.

So one of the things that I think has been happening

and in my conversations with Brian Garrosh about this as well,

who has extensive experience with watching

and trying to engage with his council, Don Plymouth,

for many years, it seems like,

and I agree with Brian, on this completely,

was that basically we have a lot,

we have some local counsellors who do want to do the best

that they can for their communities.

And the problem is that there's the bigger systems

that are at play, so you can call it the unit party,

you can call it the machines of both the Tories and Labor,

where their motivation is going to be

to try to crush these newer people

who might have come in through grassroots means.

I know that that's the case with one of my counsellors

in my ward where I live, he's wonderful.

He actually has helped me install security lights

in my house because I've been followed home before

by migrants and I felt really unsafe.

And so he came in and tried to make my home safer for me.

And that's true community.

And he's the one who's, you know,

going to the council and trying to get these things done.

I couldn't be more thankful for him being here

to help those of us who live in this area

and have similar concerns, honestly.

But, you know, it's, depending on who your counsellors are,

I think probably influences how you have to gauge with them.

So I'm very fortunate in the sense that I have someone

I feel like is on our side and is one of us, essentially.

But I understand from just bits I've heard from the group

and when I was at your event a few weeks ago

is that that's not necessarily the case in Cumbria.

So for you locally, what's going on in your council?

Do you know the parties who are,

who's the majority party or do you have one

and how does that influence what you need to be doing

to work with them?

Well, we've got a predominantly left-leaning council

across Cumberland, essentially.

And like you say, there are some well-meaning

and excellent counsellors who are very much community focused

and like the issue that you define yourself.

If there's a local problem,

they will redirect resources and attempt to help.

But the override and focus appears to be

whatever the narrative from Westminster is echoed here.

Which is fine.

I know that there has to be a focus for government

but it doesn't necessarily reflect the needs of what

this county needs.

The needs of Cumbria are completely different

to the needs of Durham, for instance.

We've got a different economy, a different self

and certainly very different people.

And I'm sure since you've arrived in Britain,

you've noticed that you can drive 10 miles

and it's a different place completely.

We are such a small pact in Little Island

that every district, every community,

every one has its own needs.

And some of those are lucky and do have counsellors

that give a damn.

But the rest of them appear to be just here to bang the drum

but for the mainstream narrative that is accepted

and is pushed and promoted by the media machine.

There's lots of focus on exterior forces

and what exterior people need over the,

and to the decrement of the local people.

And the more we shine a light on these things

with the likes of Cumbria action

and the activism that Brent's done previously,

the more people, I'm aware that people are not informed

about what is happening.

And people are completely unaware

of what the decisions have been made

by these elected officials

or in many cases, unelected officials

who are making these huge, swaving choices for people

that if they were actually publicly publicized

and the public were fully informed, they would say no.

And on that basis, that answers my own question.

That is why they will not publicize these policies and bills

because they know that the public don't want them.

So they have this kind of thing quiet,

let's just quietly put this through and no one will notice.

Well, in our recent activism, we've put them on notice

and that won't be accepted any longer.

We will promote and expose everything

that we're attempting to bring forward.

Be that if attendance like we did last week

or just informing our membership,

word and mouth is a beautiful thing

in these close-knit communities.

And if you can light the fires of Gondor,

they will go far.

I can tell you that.

It was interesting to watch what happens in...

I used to live in Edinburgh before I moved here

into County Durham and I lived in the area of Edinburgh,

which was I think kind of the test case

for the 15-minute neighborhood, 15-minute city agenda.

And they put up cameras and bus gates

through one of the streets that was kind of a major

through fare for cars.

And it's a very congested and crowded area

because it's on the A8, which goes directly into the city.

So you have to drive through it

if you're coming from the west or from Glasgow.

And the cameras that they had put up

around the bus gates saying cars can't drive through here

at these times of day and you'll get fined if you do.

Somebody, whoever it was,

this was a couple of years ago,

they were climbing up to the cameras

and covering up the cameras

or taking down the cameras at night

when nobody was watching.

And the counselor, who was...

I know, the counselor and the counselor

who was in charge of all of this,

who's now an MP, Scott Arthur,

who I engaged with personally on Twitter at the time

was calling these people criminals

for what they were doing

and look at this horrible criminal behavior

and they're awful people for interfering with our cameras.

But then what ended up happening was they took down the cameras

at the end and they canceled the bus gate plan.

And then they came back to us and said,

oh, look what we did.

We listened to you.

Please re-elect us.

We took down the cameras and I always think of that as an example

that personally I would not be physically able

to climb a pole and cover a camera in the middle of the night

but whoever was doing that was able to do it.

And it was just, to me, such a great example

of when we talk about doing something,

they literally did something.

They covered the cameras and took them down.

But I think that in that case,

because that was our area

and that was the one that was being directly affected

and that was the thing that needed to happen

was the camera needed to go

because we didn't want to get fined for driving down the streets.

So that's just one example.

But that, again, is a very local problem

that was the case where we lived.

And so whether it's whatever it is in your areas

and who was in charge and who's pushing it

because Scott Arthur who was in charge of transportation

for UNRA Council was very into the agenda.

So that was what had to be done and it worked.

It was successful.

So it was great.

What about you and what kind of interactions

have you had with local councils over the years

since you've been doing this work for so long?

In terms of engaging specifically with the council,

that in its sense has been more of a recent development

with Cumbia Action.

I mean, during the standing for Britain days,

we back when Gerard Baton was leader of UKIP,

we were working alongside political parties like that

and independent news organizations

and things like that to push things forward.

So still kind of engaged with government,

but it wasn't until I joined Cumbia Action

that I got more involved in local councils as it were.

Back in the day, it used to be more kind of higher up

with connected football, Gerard Baton,

people like Henry Waters,

back in the height of Forbidden and UKIP.

But so there's kind of different avenues

you can go with its local councils through political parties

on both the national and local level,

although I do personally maintain that it's far more effective

to work on a local level.

And the thing about councillors as well,

which I've come to realise,

and kind of, you made a very good point before

when you said about the canvas,

and when the councillors came back to us,

like we've made these changes, like be electors,

and kind of like following on from what Chris said,

as well as about putting the councillor on notice.

One thing I have noticed is that councillors fear losing their seat.

That's one of the things that they kind of fear the most.

So in terms of some positive kind of like inspiration

for people, whether they think that

should I really get involved,

whatever does anything really really happen?

Councilors do fear losing their seat.

So getting involved locally,

put pressure on young councils,

challenge their motions,

put forward petitions and debates and things,

and you can actually get things changed at a local level,

even if the councillors don't actually support

what you want to get done.

That fear of losing their seat,

they will listen to people if they find a lot of resistance

to these motions that they're putting forward.

So I think that it does make a difference

in who is in charge,

and if it is labor or Tory or Lib Dem or the Greens,

you're going to be facing different challenges,

I think, compared to those who might be coming from,

I'll say reform just because I'm here in Durham,

but it seems to me that

where their loyalties lie is an interesting question,

because if they're working on behalf of,

and with the political machines that are driving most of them,

it's going to be, I would imagine,

much more difficult to deal with them,

because they've already decided what they're going to do,

and in my experience,

at least when I was still in Edinburgh,

that they do what they want,

and then they ask you what you think about it.

So there were so many times when I received community consultations,

for example, online survey forms and things

that I went and filled out.

So they implemented the 15-minute city,

and then they sent out a consultation asking us

what we think about having a 15-minute city put in.

So I would go fill it out, but I'd say,

well, you've already done it anyway,

so I don't know why you're asking us,

but I'll tell you what I think.

And this has been true.

I've seen this at a national level as well,

with things like CBDCs,

having been in the academic system,

I had colleagues who were direct advisors

to the governments on CBDC,

and probably are still doing them,

sure they are,

that these things are already happening in the background,

and as you both have kind of alluded to,

that these things happened before we know about them,

and then they'd become made available.

I was just in Darlington last night for another event,

and I learned last night that in Darlington,

they're concerned because Amazon

is going to be using Darlington as a trial for drones,

drone delivery for Amazon.

And so that's one of the things where

that's a very local thing,

which obviously Jeff Bezos was going to want to make,

probably all over the world,

if he could have drones flying all over the world,

so that, and you know,

are those drones going to have cameras?

Yes, I'm sure they are.

Are they going to have microphones?

Yes, most likely.

So then we'll be sold the convenience of,

oh look, it's going to be so quick and easy

that you'll have your stuff delivered from Amazon by drone,

you don't have to wait for a delivery driver,

and it'll be faster, and it'll be great and convenient.

And that's assuming that,

that people are even paying attention

or even thinking about how things are coming around,

we see things here,

out here in a sort of rural county drone,

of planes that are flying over constantly,

and you know, what are these planes doing?

These are not commercial flights,

these are not people flying to Spain for holidays,

we don't know what they are,

and we can't answer that for sure.

But you know, people just need to continue to be aware

and ask questions about what's going on,

why are those things up there,

what are they doing, are they military,

are they training for something,

where they're based from,

where are they going to,

why are they flying here?

And that's what we need to be always staying in contact,

I think, with counselors,

and putting the pressure on them to do the work.

And the ones that are, I think,

trying to work in our best interest,

we need to be friends with them,

but we also need to make sure, as you've said,

that the ones that are not working in our best interest,

that they need to know that we're watching,

and that we are not pleased with things that might be occurring,

and if they want to keep their seats,

they're going to have to respond.

So, I think that's a really important point that you made there,

and I think it's overlooked by people,

that they just kind of accept,

well, this is what's happening,

we don't like it,

we might complain to one another,

we might tell our friends what we think,

but we don't talk to anyone who is actually responsible

for putting these things in place that we don't want.

And I think that's a really important thing that you two are doing,

because I get asked constantly from people,

well, what can I do?

It's too much, it's too big.

It is, it's big, but working locally as you guys are doing,

I think, and we're seeing,

you're seeing the response from it,

that there are people out there that are joining in,

and we just need to keep growing that.

So, you know, I want to start to wrap up here,

but I want to say that you guys have both been doing just really amazing things,

it doesn't have to be on a global scale,

you don't have to go down to Westminster and do anything huge.

You can do things where you are,

not some most important things,

because of some of these examples that we've all shared,

that we all have local things,

but the point is, is that those local things that they're doing

contribute to the global agenda that we're all terrified of,

or not terrified of, but that we know needs to stop.

And, you know, a bit of hope that I think that I would like to give to people

as well, is that they're not where they want to be with all of this.

If you look at the agenda 2030,

and the UN Sustainable Development Goals,

which is what a lot of this goes down to that, you know,

recover extensively in UK column,

and that there's a film by Oracle Films called About the Agenda,

which I highly recommend.

People watch, and that's one thing if you want to,

get people to see what's going on,

send them the link to that film.

I think it's available for free on YouTube,

that all of these little things are examples

of how they're putting agenda 2030 into place,

that 15-minute cities is not about everything being close convenience

about, you know, taking away the freedom to drive your car

and go where you want to do what you want to do.

I frequently say that the vaccine passports were a test case

for the sort of the digital ID system that they want to put in.

And the amount of money,

what are there was 200 million pounds?

What was the figure they gave out for how much it cost

to put in this track and trace app in 2020?

I'm not sure if that figure's accurate,

or, you know, was that money actually sent somewhere else?

I don't know.

But, you know, when we talk about what we can do locally,

it's even just within yourself.

You don't even have to say anything to anybody.

Because a lot of people have jobs and mortgages,

and they have to protect.

And they can't say things, but, you know,

when we were doing track and trace, you know,

I didn't say anything when I started to go back out

to eat with friends who were still aligning with the system.

So, I remember, oh, we're going to sit down,

have a cup of coffee and a cafe.

We got a track and trace and put in all of our details.

So, they would get into their app

and put all of their information in.

And I was just pretending.

I picked up my phone.

I didn't say anything to my friends.

I was just, like, checking emails.

You know, it's just something to make them think

and not even get into it at the time

because I was still trying to...

I didn't do any of it.

But I also was not...

My life was in a position at that time,

where I thought I was able to...

Because I was an academic

and had all these responsibilities

and trying to fit into the system.

And obviously, it didn't work.

I got pushed out anyway.

And I'm much happier now.

But that's...

Whatever it is, you don't even have to say anything.

You know, start with using cash when you pay for something.

Even if...

And then figure out what it is you can't do

because we can't do everything.

Just find one thing and do it and start there.

And this is the message that I want to leave people with.

And you guys are amazing leaders in your area

and what you're doing.

And I find you so incredibly inspirational

with the work that you're doing.

But I...

What's one of the things that I want to end this year with

is inspiring people to go forth.

As we go into Christmas period and into 2026

with the idea that you can do something,

you just have to do something small.

You can just attend a rally on a Saturday

that we are involved in.

You can do something.

And that's what I want to leave you with.

Yeah.

I was going to say,

if that's something that you're interested in doing,

if any of your viewers out there are thinking,

I think I want to do more.

Then just follow the example that I said,

have a look around, see what groups are available to you.

If there isn't one, create one.

Just take that little step because it's been remarkably humbling

to see the amount of support that we've had.

On our first demo, we have 500 people turn up.

I must admit, when I first set it up,

I was being a little nervous that I was going to be stood there

with me and two others, you know,

holding flags kind of feeling a little bit silly.

But the support is more.

And if you,

you just take that chance in your local area

and create something,

I guarantee, you know,

the other thing,

if you, if they will come,

if you build it, they will come.

And that will grow exponentially.

And you will see immediate support from your local community.

And what these people in power hate the most

is all of us getting together,

walking amongst ourselves and formulating plans

to bring power back to where it belongs,

the normal folk, the normal people

that are the backbone of the country.

So if, if you're considering activism,

do it, do it.

That's what, that's my message.

Yeah, I was,

because you made a very good point.

Well,

post a very good question when you were just saying,

like, what can I,

what can I do?

And that's a question that a lot of people will ask themselves.

And it might cause people to put them off getting involved

and say,

think they can't do anything.

But, um,

I know,

I know you said we were going to be wrapping up soon.

Do I have time to,

to mention one of the other thing about something positive people

could do?

Of course.

Sure.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Excellent.

Yeah, because in terms of not only the activism

that we've already discussed,

but there is something else that people can do

on a personal level to take back control

of their bodily autonomy.

So in 2020,

yeah, in 2023,

I think it was an October then,

I had to have a life saving surgery

to have about a meter of my intestines removed.

And,

because I,

I have a complete aversion to having any kind of blood transfusions,

any blood products,

because they don't screen it for when it's come from somebody

that's had the job or not.

And leading up to the surgery,

I was told that they cannot guarantee that they won't give me blood,

blood products to save my life if needed to.

But I feel so strongly that I,

doesn't matter what the consequences is,

I won't have any compromised principles like that.

So I actually,

they did actually pull my life saving surgery 30 minutes before going

under the knife,

because of my various things about an advanced directive

and because I wouldn't wear a mask or anything like that.

But this document called an advanced directive.

It's a legal document.

And while I didn't create the notion of an advanced directive,

there wasn't anything like a template or anything for people

of my points of view about refusing COVID tests and masks

and also refusing blood transfusions.

So what I actually did is,

I've created my wrote me on advanced directive

that I submitted to my surgical team.

They actually had their Newcastle Hospital's own legal team

scrutinized it,

couldn't find any fault with it.

So my second surgery date went ahead,

went ahead fine.

But the,

so an advanced directive,

it's similar to kind of

the power of returning in the case of,

sort of,

cementing your rights and what your views are.

And what I've done with,

with mine is I've removed all my personal information

and created like a template,

which I'm happy to share of what I shared it with people.

And if I'm able to,

for example, share it with UK column news

for other people to utilize.

And it's a very simple process that people need to do.

All I need to do is fill in their personal details.

And providing they don't want any other health concerns,

added to the advanced directive,

which I'm happy to help people with,

obviously with their consent when we're talking about medical information.

But I imagine a lot of people would be happy to just to use my,

my template as is,

it covers things like blood transfusions,

COVID tests,

even things like organ donations,

and stuff like that.

And what you'll do is it basically sets out your,

your views on what you do not consent to,

what you withdraw you consent from.

And you often nominate a healthcare proxy

that can speak on your behalf.

And say if you're under the knife or whatever,

you've got somebody that can speak on your,

on behalf, on your behalf.

And these advanced directives,

it's a legal document,

it's recognised by the medical institution.

And it's just a way to,

to take back your own bodily autonomy and your control.

And even after my surgery,

when I spoke to the surgeon on the phone,

he thanked me for opening his eyes regarding consent.

By also having my discharge letter,

the last paragraph of my discharge letter,

actually,

it's actually mentioned in writing that,

not only to help his eyes regarding consent,

but in Newcastle Hospital,

they actually made policy changes after my case.

And I'm just one person.

So if thousands of people put in their own

advanced directives in place,

and a lot of people I know have put off surgery

and have been very worried about going into hospital

because they're worried about masks,

vaccines and blood transfusions, things like that.

And advanced directives are something that they can actually

have in place.

And it's, it's a chance that question as well.

Oh, what can I do?

That's actually something everybody can do.

It's put the run advanced directives in place.

And I know I've been a bit brief as we're wrapping up.

But basically, if it would be okay with you and UK column,

I'm happy to provide you with a copy of my template.

And also,

I'm happy as well if anybody has any concerns

or wants any amendments made to an advanced directive

and they want me to do that for them.

I'm happy to have wanted to have my time

to help anybody in that same situation.

So yeah, please, if people want to

take back the one-body autonomy,

an advanced directive can do that.

And I'm happy to help people basically do that.

No, that's great. We can provide that.

We always put a short write-up with our interviews.

But for anyone who's listening on any other platform,

that is only available on UKColumn.org.

So if you listen on YouTube,

you won't be able to see this information.

But if you go to find the interview on our UK column website,

then we can link to and give examples

and everything that you've just discussed.

But that's where everyone, just for listeners,

it might be listening on a podcast or a YouTuber

or Facebook or their listening.

You have to come to our website for that.

But we can certainly provide that, of course.

No problem.

Are there any final things?

Any last minute thoughts that we haven't talked about

that either one of you want to say,

Chris, I'll start with you.

Was there anything else that you want to add?

Well, I've probably brought it in and said

that my final piece already.

Just about getting out there,

taking that step, it's key.

And if you've come to your action,

don't think they go by.

We're heading for the 6000 mark.

And growing.

If we, if we had this in towns and cities across the land,

can you imagine the power we'd have behind it?

We've created headlines from our little group,

just up in Cumbria.

I mean, we've been on across the BBC,

because in Mayhem for the local councillor

with all the sanctuary city stuff,

just a group of like my,

can come together and actually really create waves

for these people.

So don't be thinking,

I'm just sat here on my own.

What possible impact could I have?

You've no idea the waves that one person can create

from just taking that first chance and that first opportunity.

But if that's my overriding message to your viewers

and your listeners,

if you're considering it,

do it, do it.

It will, it will bring change

and it will bring some real positivity

and, you know,

direction to the local community,

which is currently nonetheless and needs help.

Absolutely.

Thanks, Kristen.

And Brent, any other final thoughts from you?

Yeah, just a final thought for me is that

nothing is more powerful than an informed populist.

So regardless of what comes next in the,

next in the agenda and what gets thrown at us

on whatever you see on the news,

I just encourage people to,

to look at the facts,

do their own research,

don't just listen to the narrative just because somebody

on the BBC tells you it.

And inform yourself,

become powerful.

And with that is community.

So there'll be other people in your community,

maybe somebody just down the road feels exactly the same as you.

So reach out, build up a network,

build up a community.

And basically just understands that your voice is powerful.

And so with the community that we're building,

nobody's going to feel alone going forward

and every single one of us is powerful.

Thank you so much, Brent.

Chris, it's been a great discussion.

Really been a pleasure speaking with you today.

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