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This episode was recorded for my UK Column show.
Vanessa Beeley, a British independent journalist and activist with deep roots in Middle Eastern affairs—her father was a prominent British Arabist diplomat—has reported extensively from conflict zones including Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, and Yemen.
She lives in Lebanon.
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I think this is the first time in 2026, Vanessa Bealey.
Thank you for joining me in the trenches.
It is.
Yes.
On the very dire circumstances.
Well, I don't know.
Dyer for who will get into that.
Well, firstly, how are you?
Are you safe?
I personally safe where I am in Lebanon, yes, relatively.
At the moment, because Hezbollah, the Lebanese resistance, has now entered the war basically
after Israel and the United States, assassinated the leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran
in Marmali yesterday, or the day before, I'm completely losing track.
We're not sleeping.
It's like 24-7 coverage at the moment.
And after they entered the war, of course, despite the fact that Hezbollah has maintained
the ceasefire for 15 months while Israel has violated it, I think, more than 6,000 times
now carrying out targeted assassinations, bombing schools, civilians, firing on them from
the border areas, encroaching on Lebanese territories, setting up military bases inside
Lebanese territories, spraying agricultural lands with glyphosate, etc., etc., for the
last 15 months when Hezbollah decides to actually defend themselves and their people in
the south of Lebanon and in the eastern areas on the border with Syria, of course, Israel
has now launched a full campaign against Lebanon and they'd already warned certain diplomats
in Lebanon that if Hezbollah were to respond in the case of a regional war, they would
be targeting a listed 1,200 structures here in Lebanon.
So while at the moment it is, I say, relatively calm because they've been bombing the south
intensively and Dahe, which is the southern suburb of Beirut, so there's been a mass
exodus of people again from areas of southern Beirut into Beirut Central and, of course, many
of them are having to be accepted into schools and hastily prepared refugee centers.
So it's a repeat of what happened back in 2023-2024, basically, but I remember that a lot
worse.
Yeah.
I think you came into my podcast and you had just...
I think so.
You had just run away.
On that run away.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
You had left Syria.
You had basically fled.
Oh, Syria.
It was December 2024, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The ceasefire had come into effect in November 2024 between Lebanon and Israel.
Yeah.
Well, now, even if you wanted to, you can't flee because, as I understand it, Beirut's
airport has shut down.
Has it actually shut down?
I haven't checked it this morning.
They bombed the airport road going from one of the southern suburb of Beirut to the
airport.
Or if they've actually targeted the airport, but it's high on their list of targets.
Yeah.
To be honest, I don't have any intention.
Yeah.
No, they will potentially target it.
If this continues to escalate, and I don't see any reason right now for it to de-escalate,
then for sure the airport will be incapacitated and closed, I think.
Well, yes.
That's very attention.
Yes, what I received earlier, Emirates has grounded temporarily.
Etihad, Qatar, Doha, India, yeah, yeah, yeah, Turkish Airlines, Oman, Syria, Lufthansa,
there's a whole list here, but I mean, the point there is that Uncle Sam, with his
Zionist buddies decide that they're going to attack Iran, thinking, well, what could possibly
go wrong?
Well, Iran's going to shut down half the world in response.
Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced that they didn't know that this would be the outcome,
because I think you can't discount the number of kind of what I call end-time, Jewish
Zionists and Christian Zionists, that believe that there is an necessity for an Armageddon
in the world to bring the second coming of Christ into reality, and, you know, the Trump
administration is packed full of those characters, as is the Kinesa on both sides, not only part
of the Netanyahu fascist government, but there are even more uber extreme factions within
Israel that definitely believe in, you know, the destruction of al-Quds, the building of
the Temple Mount, and this whole idea of an Armageddon, and, you know, we've been
heading towards this with all of the rhetoric from Israel, the destruction of the Amalek,
of course, which is considered to be the destruction of all those that threaten the existence
of Jews in the world today, whereas, of course, Zionism doesn't represent Judaism in its
purest form, and so on. So I'm not entirely sure that they weren't prepared for the outcome.
I think world populations are probably not prepared for the outcome, but I don't really think
our current transnational ruling really gives a hoot about world populations, or those that are
not particularly useful to their agenda. Let's just zoom out just for a moment. What is the
official, the official narrative? Why was Iran attacked officially? Oh, for it's new.
Well, hang on, I mean, that's not in where was it? 1951, when Iran was first declared to be a
threshold nuclear state, right? I mean, this has been a, it's not a time for humor, but sometimes
actually people who've experienced war situations know that humor plays a very large part in coping
with what's going on. And I mean, it's been a running gag in this region that Iran has been on
the threshold of nuclear weapons for around 30 plus years, right? And someone, I think, for Iran,
recently published a Mario article that I think is as far back as either the 50s or the 30s,
my mind isn't recalling it right now, sleep deprivation. Sorry, it's been ongoing for a very
long time. And that, of course, the US in typical form was adding more demands to the negotiations,
one that then not only should Iran not even have uranium in Iran, even if it's being enriched for
use for civilian use to provide electricity and energy and so on, which is necessary in a country
under sanctions and under blockade, but then they should basically and their defense program,
their missile should be kept to, I think it was 300 kilometers, uranium should be taken out of
Iran into the United States. And actually, of course, the ridiculous thing and all of this will
get lost in the turmoil that is now being generated by the US and Israel. The fact is that Israel,
sorry, Iran, had actually two degree accepted a lot of these conditions. They had put forward a
very realistic proposition for the negotiations. And then, of course, just as in the 12th day war,
boom, the war starts. So there was never any intention. There's never any honest intention in
negotiation with Israel or the United States or the UK or most of the EU. Remember the Minsk
agreements, right? And this has been the ongoing scenario for decades now. Hamas, every time Hamas
agreed to something, Israel added another clause to the negotiations, which was a known red line
for Hamas, or Hamas didn't accept it. And then, boom, Israel bombed Hamas because they're so
intractable, they're never going to accept Israel's conditions, which, you know, no sane country.
If the US right now had the Chinese fleet and Chinese military on its borders, it's not going
to agree to reduce its missile program or its defense capability. Right? So why on earth would anyone
in their right mind expect any sovereign nation in the world today? To do the same when America
has moved one-third of its military naval air forces to within striking distance of Iran.
Okay, but then just to be fair, though, we know that the US and Israel don't have nuclear weapons.
That's another long-running gag. Well, we know that the US has already used
nukes. And I don't think the US is particularly clandestine about its nuclear capability to be fair.
Israel is, it's not a member, it's not signed up to the non-proliferation treaty.
It has never allowed the nuclear watchdog onto its territory to actually inspect its facilities.
And it has the Samsung option which came into effect in 2005 under Began,
which says that if Israel faces an existential threat, which is right now,
it reserves the right to use nuclear weapons. So, you know, as I keep saying to people,
who do you really think is the nuclear state that is a threat to the world population right now?
Do you think it's Iran that has never effectively until now? And by the way,
it's not attacking countries outside of its borders. It's attacking American bases,
American equipment and American personnel on inside those countries. And so, as it's said,
it considers where it is attacking to be American soil and it's only attacking military
infrastructure, military bases, personnel, right? It's not attacking any civilian infrastructure or
civilian hospital schools, etc. But Israel is, Israel always has, America always has.
Human life is irrelevant to the United States and to Israel. But from an ideology perspective,
Iran and the resistance access do not target civilians. In war, it can happen.
I'm not denying that it can happen. And the targeting now of Aramco in Saudi Arabia,
of course, that's going to have an impact on civilian life in the worst. But at the same time,
who's created this environment? There's such an interesting web here.
And it's so difficult to wrap your head around it. I remember when I was in Dubai,
last year, you not chatted and you were giving me a really, really good breakdown of
how the Arab world quote unquote is so divided. That's by design, would you say?
Yeah, it's by design for a long time. If you go back to the creation of Israel and why it was created,
it was basically to drive a wedge between Egypt and Syria because at the time, of course,
they were leading the Pan-Arabist campaign in the Middle East to secure independence,
Middle East, West Asia, to secure independence for these countries and access to their own resources
including in Saudi Arabia. So guess what? You know, despite there being multiple options,
according to Theodore Herzl, for the creation of the state of Israel in other countries,
whether it was Cyprus or Argentina, etc., or even, I think, Ethiopia, it was saddles by the
British and the rostrials that they would end up where they are, occupying Palestinian territory,
because, of course, that is pivotal to their role as interference and military surveillance
outpost for the British and the entire imperialist cabal in the Middle East. And if you look at the
clean break doctrine from 1997, the intention from Israel and the CIA who basically wrote the
document, the strategy document, is to vulcanize the Middle East into what they perceive to be
sectarian, controllable statelets that will more willingly accept the supremacy of Israel in the
region. And of course, that was the intention for Yemen, also, by the way. And now for Iran,
that's what they want to do, is carve up the entire region into effectively warring statelets,
some supported by the state, some supported by France, some supported by Russia, some
supported by Israel, doesn't matter. But in order to allow the expansion of Israel and the Zionist
movement into the region. And that's why we see Iran launching missiles into otherwise Islamic
countries and people are going, why would they do this? And that's because of what you just said.
Yeah, it's not only because of that. If you go back to the history of the creation of Saudi Arabia,
for example, it was effectively engineered by the British and Lawrence of Arabia, because there
were areas in Saudi Arabia, particularly in the West, hijaz, that refused to basically abandon
support for Palestine. And so, therefore, they rejected the creation of the state of Israel and
they rejected British foreign policy in this region. And as a result, the British empowered and
supported Abdelaziz to enable the spread of Wahabism throughout Saudi Arabia and to put it
under the House of Saud, which is effectively the creator of one of the most fanatical
branches of Islam, which is Wahabism, which is then, of course, being used to create organizations
like ISIS, like Al Qaeda. So that's the origin of what's going on. And that's why I remember when I
said to you when you were in Dubai, I said, I don't consider it an Arab nation. I considered a
genetically modified outpost of Israel. And that's what it was designed as UAE. Yeah, all of
these countries, basically. I remember I was sitting in my hotel room and we were having this
conversation and I opened up my computer to have a look at a map because it's something that the
average person doesn't quite grasp. You think, oh, they're all the same. It's just all the same
thing. And it really, really isn't. There is this huge division that has, shall we say,
Zionist influence or infiltration. The UAE, for example, is in the pocket of Israel. And while I was
there, I asked somebody, can you fly a Palestinian flag in Dubai? And said, no, you can't.
No, no, no. No, I mean, UAE is probably the most aggressive of the Israeli agents in the
region. I mean, the genocide that they're basically enabling and facilitating in Sudan is on
behalf of Israel, Somali land, on behalf of Israel. So Israel can establish a naval bases
on the coastline of the Horn of Africa, of course, facing Yemen and the Red Sea, right? UAE,
just to give you and not really an anecdote, but a little bit of side history to this.
There's, I'm trying to remember the name of the company. I think it's called Doc Matter.
And it's basically an AI surveillance company in the UAE, which employees
Israeli unit 8200, so the Mossad type spy unit, the military spy unit, to work at its organization.
Now, it's part of that employment package. They're buying them very expensive homes in Cyprus.
So effectively, what does that mean? They're expanding Israeli settlement as a proxy.
They're working on behalf of Israel to expand Israeli presence, not only in this region,
but globally. And you know, you're absolutely right. These countries are a very separate entity
to the region generally. No one here kind of considers them, apart from the fact that,
of course, Saudi Arabia basically appropriated some of the most holy Islamic sites. Yeah.
Just to be clear, you're talking about the Gulf states.
Yes. Yeah. The Zionist Gulf states, as I call them.
You know, so an look at how Saudi Arabia manages the most holy sites of Islam,
right? Makar. And where was that? Wasn't there a cloth from the holy shrine,
or a part of the cloth that was sold to Epstein? So that's how much they value it.
And you know, they are sectarian and who they allow to come in and even pray
during Hajj at Makar and so on. So it's a complete... I don't see them as Arab states.
I just see them as an extension of Israel and Washington and the UK in the region, basically.
How did that happen?
British. Because the British and the Rothschilds created Israel.
Right. And at the same time, they understood that they needed protection and apologism for Israel
in the region. And so they engineered that through, as I said, the dominance of Wahabism
in Saudi Arabia. And then, I mean, if you go back even in more recent history, it was Tony Blair
that was creating the relationships between UAE and Israel. He was setting up the meetings,
but actually so was Epstein now that the documents have been... I mean, I haven't gone massively into
the Epstein documents for many reasons. One, I'm super busy here, but also for me, it appears to be
like a campaign to get rid of the old garden government and to bring in the new technocratic
ruling class. So I agree, you know, I'm not very surprised by what Epstein got up to
or the people that were involved in it or weren't involved in it. Do you know what I mean?
So in a way, it's just vindication and confirmation. But it's interesting, some of the elements that
are coming out in relation to, as you said, the relationship between UAE, Qatar, although Qatar
is closer probably to Turkey because of the Muslim brotherhood connections. But UAE, Saudi Arabia,
and are definitely the two main players, even though and the UAE was one of the first to sign
the Abraham Accords with Israel, it was also even during the genocide building the land bridge
and the railway, joining the Gulf States with Israel to avoid the blockade in the Red Sea.
And as part of the India Middle East economic corridor, which of course,
Gaza is intended to be a link in that corridor, which is why it's important for them to either
ethnically cleanse all Palestinians out of Gaza or to create labor camps where they can be
further incarcerated in many concentration camps that will be used for cheap labor or free
labor while they steal Palestinian gas off the coast of Gaza and off the coast of the occupied
territories. Now, all of this creates the context for what you said, you posted something on
sub-circuit which I found fascinating called the Great Blinding. And that actually illustrates why
Iran has attacked, quote unquote, various neighbors. All it was doing was going after US military
installations for surveillance and spying and that kind of thing. Yeah, and actually it was
interesting because I was having a discussion. This wasn't my post, by the way, but the infograph
that they produced made a lot of sense. And I had already been saying, I've had a discussion
with someone who said, yeah, why aren't they bombing Israel straight away? And all this, I said,
no, look, this makes total sense because they can't fly the Iran at that point, couldn't fly
their planes, for example, to bomb American infrastructure and bases in neighboring countries.
Because of the radar system, some of the most expensive and some of the most sophisticated in
the world that the US has put on these bases in the various Zionist Gulf states, right?
And so it made perfect sense for me that what are they going to do? They're going to effectively
blind the enemy. If they can destroy all of these early warning radar, I don't know all the
military technical times for them, but basically the equipment that enables the US to detect both
missiles, drones, and planes. And actually what's been indicative of it is that I think
yesterday they actually launched MiG-29s that had been supplied by Russia fairly recently
on bombing raids into Iraqi Kurdistan and into the Gulf state US bases.
So that for me was a demonstration because they would not have been able to do that prior to
that blinding exercise, which is still ongoing. Although now I have noticed they're targeting
energy and electricity stations. So I think now they're basically saying, okay, now we're going to
give you a taste of what it's like living under this kind of pressure of no electricity, no water,
no ability to basically provide for your people. Again, they're still not killing civilians
directly. But what they're saying is you've heard Iran and this entire region pretty much
under sanctions for decades. And you've incapacitated many of our abilities to be able to take
care of our people, although they still are. And that's another point that I made.
When you look at what Iran is doing to actually help its people in a war environment,
they're providing free transport, free metro, foreign students that are in the country.
They're bypassing the bureaucracy, giving them immediate release permits to enable them to
to land cross borders right into their own countries for safety. They're providing food in the shops,
they're doing everything they can. Let's have a look at the US Israeli record of taking care of
their people. Israelis won't let non-Jews into the shelters, by the way.
ECOP and workers or Filipina workers that want to enter the shelters are being turned away.
In America, let's look at Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Sandy, the response of their federal
emergency management agency to black people or to other ethnic minorities in America.
Even in Syria, when America absolutely devastated rocker in Syria, killing multiple
civilians in the process, supposedly driving ISIS out, they left all the mines, they left everything,
they didn't clear anything. You would never see the Syrian government and army do that.
If they liberated an area, it was immediately cleaned of all IEDs and mines to reduce the threat
to civilians. No, you don't see America doing that. You don't see Israel doing that. Even for
their own populations, that's my point. But Vanessa, we know that Donald Trump wants to turn
Gaza into Casino. This is going to make life better for everybody.
Yeah, he's going to turn it into what is a Jared Kushner's waterfront estate, I think. That's
basically it, isn't it? I mean, what is the endgame here? What is it that the United States of Israel
wants? Well, the United States of Epstein, or Rothschild really, it should be 12,000 mentions of
the Rothschilds in the Epstein papers. Sorry, I guess that's a bit of a giveaway.
Look, I think ultimately what we are witnessing on two levels, let's look at the religious
level first, right? There are, I'm looking at my figures now because it's huge. There are 200 to
260 million Shia Muslim in the world today, distributed from Iran, Pakistan, India, Iraq, Turkey,
Yemen, Azerbaijan, Afghanistan, Syria, KSA, Lebanon, Nigeria, Kuwait, Bahrain, Tanzania, etc.,
you get the idea. Even in Germany, Oman, Qatar, Bulgaria, UK, and some in South Africa,
although in the UK in South Africa, it's quite difficult because they don't differentiate between
Sunni and Shia. It's generally recorded just as Muslim population. And you have the Western
Israel backing, what I call the GCC block or the GCC, Zionist block, which is the Gulf State block,
which is not only Sunni Muslim, but extremist Sunni Muslim. As I've mentioned in Saudi Arabia,
the Wahhabi doctrine. And then in Syria, of course, you've now had the West and Israel impose
an al-Qaeda extremist government under Ahmad al-Shada' or al-Jalani, as he should be known.
The release of the deliberate release of ISIS in northeast Syria that had already been
manipulated and weaponized by the United States in particular, but also the holding camps were
funded by the UK. And there are reports that MI6 was busy radicalizing the children in those camps.
So you've got another, I think, around 20,000 fighters released in the northeast of Syria.
And so right now you're entering into what can be compared to the historical battle of
Karbala, which was between the followers of Imam Hussein, effectively the Shia and other
denominations within Shia Muslim faith and the Sunni extremists. Not the moderate Sunnis,
the Syrian Sunnis, who also don't want to be ruled by al-Qaeda and Christians, of course,
in the region, many of whom support the resistance. And so we're heading to an interfaith war,
which is being deliberately engineered as such, from an economic political perspective,
if you want to call it that. They want to see the end of the resistance.
And for them, it is advantageous to have the area governed by Sunni Islam as they see the
business class. If you look at the CIA documents relating to Syria, you'll understand that they
wanted to replace President Assad with what they deemed to be the Sunni business class, because
they're easier to work with. In other words, they're easier to debt in slave. That's what it
basically comes down to. So then the region is more controllable. While they still have resistance
factions that are dominated by Shia Islam, but are not consisting only of Shia Islam.
Then that means that for them, the region is secure. And if you look at what they did to Syria
immediately after the fall of Damascus, Israel bombed all of their military installations.
They don't want any threat on the borders of Israel now or in the future.
You know, Vanessa, whenever we have a conversation surrounding Iran or Israel with Zionism,
we always have to bring in the religious aspect because it's fundamental. It's foundational.
It's what drives a lot of this. It's this weird merger of geopolitics and beliefs.
I was just wondering, what do you think would happen if the evangelical
Christianity of the United States were to stop seeing Israel as this holy land, as the chosen land?
What do you think would happen? It would probably end, to be honest, support for Israel would
probably end. Because I think the Christian Zionists outnumber Jewish Zionists, I think, by 10 to 1,
I think I'm correct on that. That's why it's important to point that out because it's not
necessarily Jews. It's also a particular branch of Christianity. Yes. And it's a particular
branch of Jews, although I think there are now documented statistics that say that probably 80 to
90% of world Jews support Zionism, either from an extremist perspective or from a kind of moderate
perspective where they don't really want all this bloodshed, but they still see Israel as the
homeland. Sorry, I've slightly forgotten the question.
I was just asking, all right, let me make it simpler. If there were no more Christian Zionists,
would there still be Israel? Yes, I think so. Because Israel is a component in the entire Zionist
movement, which is rapidly dragging the world towards Pax Judeca. Instead of it was Pax
Americana, then it was really Pax Judeoamericana. Now it's Pax Judeca. The host is, in my opinion,
eating... No, sorry, the parasite is eating the host. Let's have a look at Latin America.
Why has Trump reappropriated much of Latin America? Cuba is probably the last bastion of
Chavista resistance. And of course, it's being put under energy deprivation and blockade.
Venezuela, okay, we can say the Chavista government is still in place, but it's, you know,
what can it do? How can it react to a supremacist country that's literally in its back
era without the court of say Russia and China? Yeah, it can't do anything. It has to just hope that
it can retain some kind of sovereignty and some kind of socialist ethos to its governance.
Long term, I don't know how they're going to achieve that, but we'll see. But if you look at
why did what happened, why did Maduro get taken out like that when was it the beginning of
January this year? It wasn't... I mean, forget about the Narcos state nonsense, right?
Everybody knows that the CIA are running the majority of the cartels and so on. But actually,
the biggest threat to Israel is the perceived influence of Iran and Hezbollah and the resistance
factions in Venezuela. So who was this done for? Was it done for America and to stop drug cartels or
was it done because Israel demanded it? Because almost immediately or concurrently,
Mila and Argentina, who's a fascist Zionist supporter, started sort of launched the
Isaac Accords in Latin America and I think to now there's about five countries that have joined that.
So just as you have the Abraham Accords in this region, you've now got the Isaac Accords,
which is effectively an expansion again of Israel. And then the original territory that
Theodore Herzl was looking to appropriate for Israel on the borders of Chile and Argentina and
Patagonia. We've now seen wildfires in that area believe to have been started by some of the
Israeli settlers there. And now you see the Argentinian government saying, oh, you know, we'll
free up land sale after the fires. So what does that mean? That means these ladies can come in and
buy up the territory that they already wanted in the first place. Look at Cyprus. Israel is effectively
stealth occupying Cyprus with the help of the British and now the Greeks are Priets. And it's
it's threatening Turkey. Turkey is also going to come under attack at some point in some way,
by the way, because Turkey represents, although it has been an ally of Israel to a large degree,
it still represents a military presence that can be a threat to Israel in the future.
An Erdogan, in particular, with his neo-Ottoman ambitions, is to some degree going to try and block
Israeli expansion. So they, in my opinion, will will definitely be in the crosshairs at some point,
particularly if Iran doesn't win this war. Vanita, who's calling the shots here?
The Zionists, not Israel. The problem is when people reduce it down to just Israel,
right, which is effectively, it's a military outpost in the region. I think Robert
Afghani-Dijunia described it best when he said, look, it's a bullwalk for the United States.
In the region, it's providing us with surveillance. It's providing us with interference, which means
regime change in the region, and so on. But it's a component, a very important component.
It's kind of the representative component of the Zionist movement. But the Zionist movement
itself is expanding far beyond Israel. It's expanding into U.S. government, into world
government. But particularly in the UK, the U.S., Africa, Christian Zionism is taking a hold
in Africa. I mean, enormously so. China, even, the Chabad-Liburvich has existence in China.
In Russia, Chabad-Liburvich has a massive influence. Look at Russia's relationship with Israel.
And the fact is that I think there was a recent interview with a Russian academic who said,
look, the early Zionist settlers were Russian. Because the Zionist movement began in what is now
Ukraine, but formerly was Russia. Almost every single South African major political party has
Zionist funding. Yeah. I think people, even for me, sometimes the extent to which they have,
and to some degree, you have to admire them for their ability to do this. It's quite extraordinary.
Considering what they're doing in Israel, considering the genocide that has been ongoing
for 100 years, but if you look at it from October the 7th, it's just been live streamed.
It hasn't stopped since the Trump peace scam. And yet, it's managing to extend its influence.
It's tentacles globally. If we go back, Iran is probably the only country actually that hasn't.
Iran and the resistance access members and Venezuela, Cuba, some of the African countries,
like Burkina Faso, the independent countries in the Sahel now, but apart from those,
it's embedded in almost every country.
JFK was somewhat ambivalous, ambivalent, a big important to Zionism. I think he kind of didn't
really want much of it in the U. No, well, the president, the president. Oh, sorry. Yes.
Yeah. He wasn't quite keen on Israel and the CIA, and of course, he was assassinated. And I'm
just wondering every single president after him has been a Zionist. I think with Trump being
probably the most hardcore Zionist of them all. Oh, Zionist, yeah. Yeah. And people told me I was
crazy when I was saying, even before he was officially elected, I was saying he was going to get in,
and that the genocide was going to increase and that we were adding for a regional, if not a
global war. And people were just saying, man, you know, he's going to handle wars. He's going to
be the president of peace. He's going to make America great again. I was like, okay, all right,
whatever. And guess what? So, okay. So now, some of the counter responses you've no doubts
seen. I'm getting them all the time. Yes, but Iranians don't want the current regime.
You know, this is a good thing. They need to be dismantled.
Where are you seeing the celebrations of those that are against the regime?
Where are you seeing them live stream from? In Iran or in the media, Vanessa?
Or in London or in France or in Germany. It's exactly like Syria. Where was the greatest support
for regime change from the bought and paid for diaspora? Right. And it's exactly what you're
seeing now. I saw a statement from Palavi, Palavi, the so-called alternative to the current
governmental structure in Iran, who was mourning the death of three American soldiers.
Look at the, which will never be shown on the BBC or anywhere else, but look at the millions
that came out in the streets of Iran after the assassination of Imam Ali, which is not the
government, by the way. I'm not, again, I'm not an expert on Iranian constitutional structure.
You can probably ask one of your other guests that hopefully you're going to speak to soon.
But the government itself, by the way, is a reformist government and they were the ones pushing
for negotiation. And they were democratically elected in Iran, far more democratically than
any election in the United States or the UK, by the way. Right. The IRGC and the spiritual
leadership is kind of, of course, it's connected to the government, but it's kind of a separate
entity to a large degree. And I've spent considerable time in Iran, both in 2016, I think,
and then in 2022, I was there for about two weeks and I was traveling from different cities to
speak to people and to hear what they have to say within student unions, within the bazaars.
And the protests began from the bazaars, from the bazaars, the people that run these bazaars
in all the cities of Iran, because they are feeling isolated, they were talking to me about it in
2022, they are feeling isolated, they are feeling squeezed economically. Of course they are because
the West is ensuring that that is the situation in Iran. But the early marches and kind of
protests at the beginning of January were peaceful and actually the security forces were marching
with them because the security forces in almost any country are some of the lowest paid members
of society. So they were working with them saying, yeah, like, you know, we also are suffering,
etc. And then what happened is that you have the CIA, Mossad MI6, engineered riots,
take place. And this is not something I'm making up. Netanyahu, Lindsey Graham, Mossad itself,
have made it quite clear that they are infiltrating and enabling these protesters.
There was a documentary recently released where Mossad is training the Kurdish separatist
factions, both in Iran and outside Iran, to turn against the regime. And that's a documentary
produced by Mossad. So I'm not making this up. But if you look at the millions that came out in all
cities of Iran, right, even after the riots, they came out in celebration of 47 years of the
Islamic Republic, so 47 years since the Islamic Revolution. Every city in Iran was packed.
Look at the people who came out on the streets after the assassination of Imam Ali and tell me
that there isn't support for the government and the military. No people in their right mind are
not going to unite behind their leadership when their country is being bombed.
I mean, it's common sense. People united behind Churchill. He lost support after the war.
But when the war was happening, they united behind him. And that's exactly what's going to happen
in Iran, even those who potentially opposed the current government, although it is a reformist
government, or opposed the current spiritual leadership in Iran. They're going to unite behind
because they're Iranian people. The people that are saying, yeah, great, you know, death to
Imam Ali, death to the Islamic Republic are the ones outside that are living in America. They're
living safe, but they're calling for sanctions. They're calling for the bombing of their own country.
This happened in Syria. It happened in Yemen. And these people are actually more disgusting
to me than Israel or the United States, because this is their own people that they're calling
for the death of that support the current government in Iran and the current leadership in Iran.
They're calling for their death. And the death of what was it? 165 children,
girls in a girls school in the Minab girls school bombing. They're calling for that. That's okay
for them. It's disgusting. They should be they should be stripped of their Iranian citizen
if it were down to me. Is Iran losing? No. No. Look at the damage.
I'm bearing mind it's up against two nuclear states. And now you have Britain, France and Germany,
I think. I mean, I love it. Kierstamer is an idiot. How can someone come out and say,
they're going to respond defensively to support a war of aggression? I mean, it's the dumbest
statement ever. And if people actually think Britain has a ship that's going to make it that far
without sinking, they're delusional. And the same for France and the same for Germany.
And I don't mean sinking from missiles, sinking. I mean, the British can't launch a ship without
it sinking before it gets beyond the British coast, for God's sake. You know what I mean?
Their military and their naval capacity has not been maintained. There's been defense
cutbacks in Britain and in the EU for years. What are they going to do? Let me ask the question
differently. Is Iran on its own? Yeah, that's a more pertinent question, I think.
It's on its own from a military perspective. What do I mean by that?
Iran is fighting this war alone, apart from the allies that it has in the region, which are Yemen,
the resistance in Iraq. There are still 100,000 former Syrian Arab Army soldiers in Iraq and Lebanon
that I'm sure will take part in the war as it escalates. The Lebanese resistance
has been the Palestinian resistance. I'm sure that Burkina Faso and other
independent countries in Africa have been providing some support. In fact, I kind of know they have
whether it's training or whatever. They can't provide equipment, but they can provide training
and support. A lot is being made of China and Russia's contribution to the military capability of
Iran and I have done multiple interviews. People can go and look at them on YouTube and I recommend
following a young Iranian analyst, a son, Safa Najad, who has been not really, it's not a question
of debunking, but the problem is is that people are not giving credit to Iran for its missile
program development, even under sanctions since the Iraqi-Ran War in the 1980s. It has
done incredible things in its own development and progress in this field, right? Has it been
to a degree helped by China and Russia? Yes, but not to the degree that people are trying to
sell it as, honestly. There are no S-400s in Iran. There are no S-300s in Iran. They've supplied the
MIG-29, but when you compare what Russia has supplied to Algeria, for example, it's 10 times more
than what they've given to Iran, and there's a very good reason for that. Russia is effectively
aligned with Israel. That's why it's happy to share technology with India, but not Iran. It
hasn't shared any actual technology with Iran, right? And the reason it's in bed with Algeria
is because Algeria represents an outpost, a military outpost for them,
bordering the Sahel and bordering all of their interests in Africa. So there's a clear reason
for that. Plus, Algeria is independent. It's anti-imperialist, so there isn't going to be interference
from France or any of the other colonialist nations in Africa. But Iran, it's an issue. They kind of
need Iran for the North-South trade corridor. They're interested in exploration of gas reserves
and so on, so it's a pragmatic relationship with Iran, but it's not an ideological relationship.
Their ideological relationship lies more, actually, in my opinion, with the United States and
Israel. For China, it's sheer pragmatism. They've supplied some radar, but again, yeah, but not
to the degree that people on social media, not China, but people on social media are trying to kind
of blow it up to some kind of incredible, you know, China is basically going to save Iran. No,
it isn't. Iran is going to save Iran. China may contribute something to that military campaign,
but they're not going to intervene, and no one's actually asking them to. That's the whole point,
because I keep getting lambasted by people saying, you know, why should Russia, and I'm not saying
that, but what about boycotting Israel? What about stopping trade with the Zionist bloc,
which includes UAE Saudi Arabia, Israel, right? What about that? They couldn't even bring themselves
to do that during the genocide. How does that support international humanitarian law? It doesn't.
So all I'm ever saying is stop expecting anything from Russia or China. If they help, if they sell
weapons, they're not giving weapons to Iran, they're selling them, or they're doing a trade,
they're getting cheap oil in return for whatever technology they do supply, not technology, but
equipment they supply. That's fine. That's pragmatism, that's trade, but ideologically,
they're not going to come to the defense of Iran. You know what's interesting, Vanessa?
Maybe I'm not seeing it correctly, but in the 1960s, for example, the youth in the Western
world would protest war. I mean, this was a big thing, particularly in the US, right? Today, the youth
protest gender identity. I wonder what's happened? Oh, gosh, I think that's a conversation on its
own. I guess the last big protest that we saw in the UK were against the Iraq war, and that
achieved nothing, you know? And how long ago was that? Oh, 2003, the second Gulf War, the
over 20 years ago. It was illegal. Yeah. But I never really saw any protests against the war
in Syria. I never saw any protests really against the war in Yemen. Certainly not of the size
you're talking about, right? Are they being completely enslaved by the media narratives?
Yes, to a degree. When I see, despite Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, now it's
happening where there aren't, and we see the same old stuff come up again. You know, the regurgitating
of media narratives of, oh, but, you know, freedom for women. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, how's freedom
for women looking like in Afghanistan right now under the Taliban? Cool. You know, we did a good
job there, right? How's freedom for women looking like in Syria right now? How many women are being
adopted as, as, you know, slave brides for ISIS? Yeah, the great job. And now you want to bring
the same freedom to Iran. After Israel and U.S. actually bombed 165 girls, children. I mean,
if they're not raping them through Epstein, they're killing them, right? But we're supposed to believe
in their version of democracy. I mean, I have to ask myself, how much more sadism and satanism do
you have to see the governments in the West project? How many more children in Israel are going to
get raped in the prisons, in the schools, in the religious structures before you start understanding
that this is a society which is basically seeped in pedophilia.
Pedophiles that are going to be prosecuted in the United States go to Israel because it's a safe
haven. They can convert to Judaism and be welcomed into the pedophile society that is in Israel right
now. And if you don't believe me, go and read Hebrew media because they're reporting on it. And
if they're reporting on it, it's probably the tip of the iceberg. Epstein was a Jewish
eight, was an Israeli agent. So, you know, I have to ask myself, how much more do you have to see
of the absolute rot of your own governments, the depravity of your own governments before you
stop looking somewhere else and wanting them to interfere in another country.
Turn against your own governments. Do something useful.
Is the Middle East falling? West Asia?
I'm desperately trying to kind of get people out of the Middle East thing.
OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, that's good, that's pretty, could you take me through that?
Well, because if you think about it, the West is the is the Hedgeman, right? It's the dominating
force. And so it was them that labelled, what is it? It's the Middle East, it's to the East of
the West. But no, in reality, it's West Asia, it's West of Asia. That's the point. It's to do
away with all of these colonial terms that we've kind of, even myself, we've absorbed over the
years without thinking about it. But in the same time, we're basically reinforcing colonialism
by using those terms. Because the Middle East means it's not independent of the West.
West Asia means it's independent of the West and it's pivoting East, right?
OK, so so then my question is, is West Asia falling?
I hope it doesn't, I can't answer that question because right now it's a war and it's going to be
the final war. I don't see any stopping right now. There's two reasons why I hope it doesn't.
One, because that will mean the entire region will live on designer's occupation and
living on designer's occupation is not a life, it's survival. That's the first reason.
And that's the anxiety of people here, by the way. It's not the war itself,
because that at least is a period of activity. It's a period of being able to do something
about what is happening. What they're afraid of and anxious about is what comes after if they lose
this war. You're talking ethnic cleansing, you're talking massacres slaughter, you're talking
occupation or oppression. The whole technocratic surveillance machine brought to bear on this
region, just as it's now being introduced into Gaza and I've said for years, the Gaza model is
what is going to be rolled out globally. And so that brings me to my second point, if West Asia falls
and if Iran falls, the world is lost. That's my opinion, because this is the front line between
the expansion of that technocratic transnational ruling predator class led by the Zionist movement
and the rest of the world populations. Because as soon as this is finished and they consider it
a done deal and they can start introducing all of this AI surveillance here to basically
isolate and imprison and enslave the people's here, it's not going to stop here.
Yeah. So Iran is on the vanguard of Western Asia. Yeah. Also just to be clear, Iran is not
Arab. No, Persian. This is something people always forget. I know. They all get kind of lumped
in together, but no, it isn't. It's Persian. And also the other point to make, of course, is the
Arab countries that are allied with Iran. They are allies. They are not proxies. They acts
independently of Iran. Just as any ally would support another ally, Iran has been incredibly
supportive to both resistance or free nations in this region and resistance non-state actors,
like in Iraq, for example. But they are not proxies. That's also another misleading narrative.
And that's being very kind in Western media. If Iran were to ask for help, who would come?
All the countries that I mentioned, for sure, all of the resistance, the entire resistance
access. That's it. As I said, I'm not expecting Russia or China to step in at any point. They're not
going to. You know, the rhetoric about Cuba, as far as I know, the Russian vessel that was
supposed to be bringing oil to Cuba. So in other words, it was going to challenge the US naval
blockade has turned around. It's detour. It's gone. They're very good at rhetoric.
But actual action, the follow-through doesn't happen. So no. There may be, you know, there may be
an increase in, depending on how important they see Iran to their economic trade future.
There may be an element of supporting Iran. But I would ask the question,
what if Trump says to them, okay, like we'll put it in a regime and we'll give you X, Y,
Z oil and we'll do this. I don't know. They'll do what's best for Russia and what's best for China.
And I shouldn't, you know, personally, I don't expect them to do more than that. My beef is always
with people that are kind of idealizing their involvement in the world today and the involvement
of bricks, which is. I'm not sure. As far as I'm going to. Yeah. Well, it's non-existent as an
alternative to the imperialist access. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you know, just before the,
yeah. And I mean, you know, Modi, literally, genuinely reflecting at the feet of Netanyahu,
what days before the war began, so no. Right. Vanessa, on that very uplifting note,
how can I follow your work? People can follow me on sub-state, telegram, X, all as Vanessa
Billy. I don't have any brand name or anything. And YouTube, and I'm severely censored and
throttled back, as we all are. So, yeah, please do follow me. X will probably remove you if you
are following me, but at least, you know, try. Okay. Vanessa Bede, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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