Adam Allred: The Masculinity Conversation Nobody Wants to Have | DSH #1729

AI will be able to calculate everything about you.

Wow.

Everything in real and prescribed what you need to have

to be living healthy and long.

250 would be crazy.

250 years.

Now you start reading stuff in the Bible

and you're like, these dudes lived in like 900.

Yeah, I've seen that.

I don't know, maybe.

I've seen that.

I don't know.

You believe in that?

Living long?

No, back in the day, people are living like hundreds of years.

Well, I did the thing, the interesting thing about the Bible

to me is that all of this stuff that people say

is impossible to miracles or the stories or whatever.

They're becoming more and more real.

Mm.

All right, guys.

We are in Utah.

Got Adam already on the show today.

Double Rination, Elite Sentinel Force.

Thanks for coming on, man.

It's good to be here, Mike.

Yeah, what's new with you?

Middle name.

Yeah.

What's new with you, though?

School season.

Getting the kids back in school.

So I've been taking them every morning and just doing

the dad life stuff.

Family man.

Yeah.

OK.

I know you talk a lot about dating, dating dynamics.

I have a big thing for you, right?

I mean, I think it's mostly just guys.

You know, guys just don't know how to date,

and they don't know how to manage women.

They don't understand women.

And so a lot of it is just more conceptual.

Dude, how do you put together a framework that actually

works in that sense when you're dealing with women?

Does your wife get mad when you are

outspoken about those topics?

No, she gets it.

She's on board, yeah.

Respect.

It's good that you have that because some guys

are scared to speak out.

Well, if I didn't, it would be rough.

I don't know what that would look like.

That would be a tough situation because, you know,

on one hand, you got to do what you got to do.

And you got to live the life you got to live.

And this is, you know, just jumping right into the deep.

And this is one of the things I think guys have lost

is their purpose.

So you get these boys growing up.

I call them the lost boys.

You get a generation of lost boys

that are coming up that have been raised predominantly

by females.

They go through a female school system.

They roll into adulthood.

And the only thing that separates them from being a kid

and a man is they can shave now.

They haven't learned anything about a man that's women.

And they're looking for women to make their purpose.

Basically looking to replace some other of their youth

or the authority figure of their youth.

And when you make a woman your purpose,

your primary purpose, that's where I think the wills just

come off to.

This shit hits the fan.

And it just starts to fall apart.

You guys are in that mindset.

Yeah, a lot of guys, I would say,

to vote many hours a week to pursuing women.

It's one of their main purposes, right?

Trying to get laid or trying to get a girlfriend.

It's pretty impressive actually.

Many guys think I will.

Yeah.

You know, it's the most interesting part of life

probably, arguably, as your relationship

to the opposite sex.

For me, what you said earlier, really resonates.

I grew up in a single mother household.

A lot of female teachers grown up in public school.

And back then, I pulled no girls.

I had no confidence.

I was skinny and didn't have the right guidance, you know?

I didn't have that father figure.

Well, that's what's lacking.

I mean, you know, this is a big thing that I stand on

with my content is that the biggest risk to society right now

is the weakened masculinity.

And it's not attractive to anybody, especially not women.

Even though they will pretend like it is.

And it's kind of like the, you know, what you have to say

that you want a man that's sensitive

and intune to your emotions and totes on you

and treats you like a princess.

And then the second you do that,

she's not interested in you anymore.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's a balance.

Because you don't want to be totally,

totally closed off emotionally, right?

No, yeah, not at all.

No, I don't believe in, you know,

you have to have emotions.

Emotions are super important.

But as a man, you have to understand what your purpose is

and your purpose cannot be a woman.

That's a secondary objective.

You take care of your family.

I'm a big family guy.

I'm faithful to my wife.

I love my wife.

She's the coolest person I know on the planet.

But she's not my primary purpose.

Really?

What is?

Maybe in the best version of myself.

Wow.

Yeah, and I think that's the primary purpose for everybody.

Interesting.

Because some people would call that selfish.

Well, no, because so, yeah, that brings up a good point.

So I have three categories of masculinity.

You have the lost boys, which isn't even masculine.

That's what we're just talking about.

And then you have men that start to kind of figure out

that they can, you know, kind of take charge of their destiny

and they go into the world for selfish reasons.

So they're going out there, they're getting money,

they're getting hoes, whatever else are getting success,

they're getting status, they're looking

for all the external validations.

And then what you have, for me,

the way that I categorize is the comprehensive man.

And he's a guy that transcends that.

So he's leveling up and trying to be the best version of himself

because he knows he's got a lot of people that depend on him.

So it's going into the world imposing your will

in the world to make it a better place.

There's an argument right now.

I'm sure you've seen it that men are biologically wired

to pursue multiple partners.

We want to have pro-create and have as many kids as possible.

Have you seen that?

What's your response to that?

Well, you know, kind of to each his own,

whatever works for you.

But to me, the greatest fulfillment

that I've ever got out of life,

I do business, I've been doing, you know,

I've been an entrepreneur my entire adult life.

Had a lot of success.

It's been really enjoyable.

I love the work that I do.

But the most fulfilling thing that I get out of life

is from my family.

And you know, you can argue that men are biologically wired

to sleep with as many women as they can.

You know, it's an evolutionary thing.

Get your seat out there.

You see it in the animal kingdom.

But if we're really concerned about the future of humanity,

then you have to take seriously raising children

and raising them the best way.

And I think we all have, maybe not all of us,

but as a society, we have a responsibility

to raise the next generation well.

And the best place for that with children

is with a stable home with two parents

that are together and aligned in their goals

and their purposes and raising their children well.

You can't even argue that anymore.

Based off recent studies, like that is a fact.

For sure.

So we may have the inclination to do that.

But I think we have a greater, more sacred responsibility

to raise the next generation well.

I'm sure a lot of the clients you deal with tough breakups,

divorces, I think it's like 60% divorce right now

in America or something like that.

It's pretty crazy, right?

It's out of control.

And you know, so much of this is the rise

of this feminist movement, right?

You know, that women don't need a man, men are toxic.

And a woman can do everything she needs to do without a man.

And then you just, we're just reaping

the catastrophic fruits of that sort of mindset.

Is there anything you agree with the feminist movement about?

I think in the initial inception of the feminist movement,

what it was at least sold as was a way

to give equal opportunity to women, right?

Which I totally agree with.

I have two daughters.

I've got a third daughter on the way.

I want them to have the best, most vibrant life.

I want them to have the most opportunities they can get.

So I agree with that.

However, the feminist movement,

that wasn't really what it was about.

That was kind of the excuse

or the marketing strategy to sell it

to the American people worldwide.

You know, the feminist movement was really about

destroying masculinity, destroying femininity

and ultimately destroying the traditional family.

Yeah.

As a father, do you feel like you should have a say

in your daughter dates?

Yeah.

Once I had daughters, I was like, dude,

I'm all for pre-arranged marriages.

It makes so much more sense.

My 19-year-old or 20-year-old, I don't have a 19-year-old yet

on a 13-year-old, so I'm getting glimpsed into it.

But dude, her making a decision about what guy

she's going to marry is just catastrophic to me.

At that age, I bet.

Well, 19 or 20 or whatever age you do.

Just about looks at that age, right?

Looks at just how she feels.

It's all based on emotions.

Right.

You know, that chemistry where you fall in love

and it's like a drug.

As soon as you put those rose-colored glasses

on you, miss all the red flags.

Yeah, I think I don't have kids yet,

but I think I want to have a little bit of a say, at least.

Do you want kids?

Yeah, I'm getting married in two months.

Oh, congratulations, man.

So we're waiting on that, but that's super exciting.

That's great.

Yeah, I've been in a heat spot, man.

A lot of people in my shoes sleep around

and do all that.

I've been with the same girl for eight years.

I'm disciplined and I'm locked in.

People are like, you should sleep around.

I'm not interested in that.

You and I are in the same boat, so I've been married

twice, went through a really rough divorce

about six years ago.

Really rough marriage for eight and a half years.

But I've only had sex with two women

and I was married with both of them when I did.

Wow, that's impressive.

Oral sex, right?

Whatever sex I did.

Holy crap.

Yeah, that's really love for someone your age.

Yeah, and it's what I was committed to.

You know, that was something that was important to me to talk to.

Yeah, yeah.

That's off to you, man.

So is that why you started the company after that nasty divorce?

You wanted to help out, guys.

Yeah, a lot of it was triggered from that.

You know, I went through that marriage

and I did everything wrong.

I was trying to do it all right.

But I was just making one mistake after another

because the framework that I had been handed from my family,

from culture, from the religious upbringing

that I grew up in, it didn't work.

And when I was going through the divorce,

I had dozens of guys reach out to me.

And they're like, dude, what is it like?

What's the process?

They're all married.

Buddy's a minor associates that kind of just heard about me

going through divorce.

And sharing their stories with me,

and I'm like, dude, these guys are in the same boat.

They just, they have no idea how to make a marriage work

with a woman.

And women are far more complicated and difficult

to manage in a relationship now these days.

So the social media?

Well, you know, I think more because of feminism.

Yeah.

Yeah, social media plays a role in it.

There's a lot of factors, but I think,

you just have women that are off the rails right now.

Collectively, I'm not talking about all of them.

The expectations of that.

This is a generalization.

Yeah, well, it's this idea that they are entitled

to everything and owed enough.

They owe nothing to the relationship.

You know, it's like, what can the man provide?

You see this on social media, right?

You get these like 400 pound chicks.

They're like, I want a man to six six,

and I want them to be, you know, making 500 grand a year.

And I'm entitled to that.

You're like, what are you bringing to the table?

Well, me, I'm just bringing me.

I'm just showing up.

That's good enough.

Have you seen enough female delusion calculator?

It's like a website where you input the height.

You want it a man, the salary,

and it shows like what percentage of guys

is that criteria?

For action of a fraction of a percent.

Yeah, I think like above six feet

and makes like 250 years, like 0.5% or something.

Well, congratulations, man.

Well, yeah, but that's what most girls want.

Yeah, I mean, a guy above six,

and that can make six figures.

That's you.

Yeah.

But like, that's not, you can't do that.

Like most guys aren't there.

Yeah, no, it's what's unrealistic expectations.

Yeah.

And I think so much of this has just been handed down

to this generation of, call it, you know,

it's paraded as empowering women,

but it's just really destroying femininity.

And it's destroying any of the qualities

that make women attractive to men, you know?

Yeah, ultimately.

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Yeah, it's rough. I'm so glad I met my girl before all this feminist movement and the dating

ups. I heard nightmare stories about those. Yeah, we met eight years ago. How did you guys

meet? We met on Tinder right when I came out. On the dating up, yeah. Now I heard it's

just full of bots and fake profiles. Apparently the ratio is 9 to 1 now from male to female. So

I think guys need to take some accountability too. So nine men for every one female. Yeah.

Yeah. And then you have in that, if you've seen any of this, the statistics on that, like

90% of women pursue 10% of the one on dating ups. It goes along with Orsaine, just this

entitled and expectation of what they're owed. And so it's created the hook up culture

for sure. Because every woman is now chasing the top of the food chain. She has no self-awareness

of where she fits in, you know, in that hierarchy or what's realistic for. So she's pursuing

the top tier guys and the top tier guys just have access to unlimited females because

everybody's coming to them. Right. And so you get all these, you get a lot of really

good decent guys that just get overlooked. It was something like some insane statistics.

I'm probably butchering this right now. But it was something like a guy on a dating

app. The typical guy has to swipe whatever it right or left. I don't know what it is.

But has to swipe like a hundred times to get one coffee date. And then most of the time

he gets stood up. I think it's way more than a hundred swipes for him.

I might be honest. It's crazy numbers. So the average guy is just...

I think it's closer to a thousand these days. So probably yeah, back then it was a hundred.

That's what it took me to get today on Tinder. Hundreds. Yeah. So I'm in my wife now on a dating

app. I met her on hinge. Oh nice. I was a job that's crazy anomaly on that. But I was

on it for like three days. Really? Yeah. Yeah. She was the first girl I met too.

So the first one I went on a date. And so I was on this other one. There's a weird little

Utah culture one that's called a... Is it a Mormon dating app?

It's supposed to be. But it's not just for Mormons. But it's supposed to be more. I was on

that one. My buddy. So I went through a divorce about the same time one of my buddies was

going through divorce. It's like bro, you gotta get on these dating apps. And I was like,

I'd got through that mess in a marriage. And I was like, that was a half years of pure hell.

Oh, so the whole marriage you were happy? Right from the get go. Right out of the gates, bro.

Like it was it was insane. So I didn't get married till I was 30. And I dated my my first wife

for like 18 months. So it wasn't like flat, you know, it wasn't quick. Yeah. Well, that's kind of

quick. I feel like to get married. Worldly standards. Utah standards. No, it's not. You know,

you still, you know, Dave Chappelle says you're dating the representative for the first six months.

I'm like, well, that was 18 months. You know, so you think you get to know somebody as soon as we

got married, she changed. Damn. Immediately. Like we were talking divorce within the first three

months. I'm not a divorce guy. Like I'm, you know, you make it work. You figure it out. That's my

family. Yeah. Within the first three months, but then she was pregnant. And so it's like, oh, so,

you know, I'm the captain. I'm just going to stay at the helm regardless of whatever is in front of

of us. You did it for the kids. You stay in front of the kids. And you know, you have this belief

that if you just keep working out something, this is how I've been my whole life. If you just

keep working out something, you can start to figure it out. You know, and you'll start to, you know,

get some traction, but we never did. I think in a marriage, that mindset doesn't work because you

can't control them being go, right? But I didn't know that. So I was really naive. Even though I was

30 and had some life experience, there were so many things I didn't know. I realized

luckily out of somewhat young age, you can't change people. They have to change. Yeah, exactly.

But so many guys think if they can nice their way enough that the women will reciprocate that,

but women don't like nice guys. 100%. They like strong guys. That's what they like. They're looking

for a guy that's strong. And that there's no part of nice that is included. You're respectful,

kind, generous, you know, benevolent. Those are all good qualities, but being nice,

there's an element of deception and the idea of being nice. You're basically, whenever you're being

nice, you say, hey, I was, I was being nice. You're talking to somebody. I was being nice to them.

You're not telling them the truth, right? That's what it means. Wow. I was being nice. I never thought

of it that way. You're right, though, because if you didn't have to be nice, if you were honest.

So nice guys are perpetually in a state of lying. They're never saying exactly how they feel.

They're never doing exactly what they want to do. They're trying to fulfill the expectations of

others because they think if they can make other people feel good, that that will be reciprocated

back to them. And it's a lot of this being raised by women. So you never ask a woman for dating

advice, ever. You know, you don't ask fish how to catch a fish. You ask a fisherman how to

catch a fish. So you ask women and they'll tell you all, oh, just treat her really well. Take her

out. You know, call her like send her flowers and you're like, this isn't going to work.

You're a sim at that point. Yeah. Yeah. You basically put her on it. You pedestalized her and now

she's acting like a tyrant, which is that's the only fans culture. Yeah. Yeah. You got all

a bunch of sims, send them money, send them flowers, sending gifts. They don't give a shit about

them. They don't even talk to them. It's an Indian guy or a AI bot. Yeah. They don't care about them.

Not at all. So we've lost our way as men. This is the biggest issue in our society right now.

I think this is the biggest threat worldwide. Feminism or? Well, the weakening of masculinity.

And I don't even blame feminism, right? Like feminism was the precursor for all this or the excuse

for all this, but this is weak men. No. And it was actually incidentally, there's a lot of you

can read this. You can study about it. The feminist movement was largely promoted by men behind

the scenes. Really? Yeah. What? Oh, yeah. They were trying to get free sex. Like, let's liberate women

from this commitment to fidelity and to family. Wow. And let's get women just, you know, these dudes

were just praying on these women. All these women that are like the early feminist leaders, you know,

they're all mentally ill. Not that far. Huge problem. Well, totally good sex. Some of them are,

you know, I mean, it's sex worth that. Oh, no, no. If I want to have sex with someone,

I want to actually like them. Yeah. I want to just have a one night stand. It's so hollow.

Otherwise, no, I don't, I don't know. I don't have a bit in that, but I've got friends that have

been in the hook up culture. None of them seem fulfilled. None of them are happy. None of them are happy.

It might be exciting for a time, you know, but, yeah, they all come to me at the end of the night,

and they're like, I wish I had a girl that I could talk to and be with long term. All of them.

But the problem is, Ben, you're just playing Russian roulette with Western women right now.

I don't think if I was single, I would ever date Western at this point. It was like a small town that

go to Columbia. Columbia is a spot. Ukraine. Whatever. Yeah. You know, women that have traditional values.

You know, they're still intact over there. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the cartel runs it. They have

better morals than Western society. They know how to treat a man. And I hear about this for my

friends that do exactly as they go there. So I'm not speaking for personal experience, but crazy

times around. Yeah. That is nuts, man. Yeah. When I saw Lil Tay make a million dollars as soon as

she turned 18. Like in three hours? Yeah. I was like, what the fuck is wrong with me? I didn't even know

who she was until that month. Oh, you didn't know her from before? I remember seeing a clip. Maybe I

saw a clip of her once. She was young when that viral clip came out, man. She was like 12 or 13. So

the fact that she launched it as soon as that means they were planning it. Dude's dudes were

planning it. They were watching the same with that baby. You know that girl? Yeah. Yeah.

She soon as she turned 18 and now she made like 60 million at this point. Yes. It's gross. I mean,

I mean, to ease their whatever you want to do with your life, do with your life. You know,

I'm all like let and let live, but it's so unhealthy. You know? Yeah. Like this culture that we live in

right now. I can't believe it. And then porn addiction everywhere. It's nasty. And it's like

it's celebrated now. It's normal. You talk about it openly. When I was growing up, that would be like

you get bullied for doing that. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know any guy that's sitting around

looking at porn feeling good about himself. No, there's brain scans of porn addicts. It looks

like exactly like cigarette smokers. Yeah, just it totally wrecks you, man. And when kids get hooked

on it, which so many kids are, it just it fucks up their whole life. Yeah, I know guys that

masturbate four times a day. Isn't that crazy? How old are they? They're like in their 20s.

So we got all that testosterone. Yeah. That's not healthy. Can't be. I just crazy. I kind of

respect for that though. How do you have the energy to do anything else? Yeah. You're going to

ban it in your household porn? What was that? Are you going to ban porn uses in your house?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I got none. They're just daughters. I have two boys.

One of them's only two. And then I have a boy that's 11. And they have cell phones, but their

cell phones are all monitored. And they have, you know, security things on them so we can check

everything they're doing and respect. And they can't download any apps or do anything without

a notify. Yeah. You got to be careful with the games now too. Roblox is under investigation right

now. I saw that. Yeah. It's creepy. Fortnite too. And they just hop in lobbies with random people.

Scary times around. It's wild, bro. Yeah. So what made you what made this girl the one?

So weirdly enough, I'm sapiosexual. Do you know what that is? Not really. I'm attracted to

intelligence. Oh. This girl's way smarter than me. And she just keeps me so grounded. Yeah.

And yeah, she's just brilliant, dude. It like really motivates me.

So did you know that? Like right when you met her? We like holy cow. This girl is a

beautiful brain at the time. We just immediately clicked. But as I researched more and more into it,

and I never really cared about looks grown up, I looked into it and I was like, yeah, this is the one.

Yeah, that's cool. I don't think I've ever talked to anybody who's sapiosexual. Yeah.

2% of the population I think. So intelligence. Intelligence. I still like looks too. But it's not

primary. Most guys, that's primary. For me, it's how we actually converse, how we talk.

That's more important to me than physical attraction. I think mine is authenticity. Yeah.

That's important. That's the most attractive thing to me. Look, you know, you've got all these

things that you're looking for and somebody that you're going to commit yourself to. But

that was the most attractive thing about my wife. The first day that I went on with her, I was like,

this girl is crazy, man. She's just an open book. I love that. I love that. I was like super intrigued.

It didn't believe it, right? I was like, I've never dated a girl that was just like completely

candid about who she was, unapologetically, but also sweet and nice. It was like trying to ram it

in my face or anything, but she was just like, this is who I am. And I was like, I kept looking for

the deception. And it wasn't there, man. I also really liked the innocence, you know what I mean?

And she grew up very humble beginnings. So I wanted to be a provider for her. What do you mean by

innocence? How did it have been compromised? How did it slept around with a bunch of guys?

It was very like kind, sweet, loving, feminine energy, you know, how it used to be.

So there's this debate double standard. You know, men are kind of paraded or celebrated when

they have lots of, they can sleep around a lot. And women are like, that's a double standard.

Because if I sleep around them, oh, and then guys don't want to pick me up.

Where are your thoughts on that? I think your past matters. We might disagree on this,

but if someone slept with a hundred guys, I mean, I wouldn't date them.

Well, yeah. No, we agree on that. I think past doesn't matter. I'm just curious what your

response is to the, that kind of debate where there's a lot of people out there saying it's a double

standard. Oh, so on the guys' point of view, if they sleep around with a lot of women,

I don't personally respect that. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, I honestly wouldn't even work with

them at that point. Like, I want my guy to be committed. I don't want them cheating on their

girl. Like, that's a turnoff. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I guess I disagree with the double standard.

It's out there, right? I mean, this is the, some of the debate out there. Yeah, I've seen it.

Yeah, I've seen it. It's a double standard. Where did you get your value system from?

I don't know, because I grew up kind of Christian and then stopped going to church in

like middle school, high school. So, maybe I got some Christian values without even knowing

at a young age, but I'm not entirely sure. I just watched a lot of podcasts and had really good

mentors. So, I think I picked up a little something for you. Because you're rare, bro.

I'm not. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. I've always gravitated towards older people too. Like,

all my friends are in their 30s, 40s. Some of them even 50s. I just feel like I have an old

old soul is what they call it. Mm-hmm. Oh, good for you. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't care about

getting drunk or partying. Yeah. I got rid of that in like six months in college. Yeah.

Got sick enough stuff. Same. No point, right? Uh-huh. I mean, I'd, I'll drink a little bit of wine

every once in a while for like particular social setting, but I hate going out. Like, I've got

buddies that they go out all the time. And I'm like, dude, I don't know how you do it. I can't

do. I go out sometimes with them just to like be a team player. And I'm like, dude, I hate it.

Like 10 o'clock. I want to be home. I want to be watching the show with my wife. Yeah. I want

to go to bed at a reasonable time. Netflix and chill. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. I don't, I don't

get that lifestyle. I teach their own, but I'd rather just, I love sleep, dude. I value my sleep.

And I value my time with my girl and my dogs at being at home. Yeah. Same. I know it sounds

boring to some people, but that's just what I like to do, man. Oh, it's not boring to me, man.

It sounds healthy. It's what it sounds like. It's healthy. Yeah. On my age though, like, especially

like early 20s, people want to just go out and out and have fun, but especially in this line of

work, you travel to different places, do podcasts with interesting people. I'm sure there's a lot of

like, hey, let's go out. Oh, it's hot. Yeah. And I go to a lot of conferences and people look

forward more towards the parties and the actual conference and just blows my mind.

I think there's got to be something with that, that the going out party and all the time

is, is it like drugs or like porn or something? It's, it's a way of like

not having to deal with your shit. You know, not being alone with yourself. Like, there's a lot of

people I think that are really uncomfortable being alone by themselves. And I, I'm, I'm totally

just putting on my psychologist hat, which I have no business doing, but I'll do it anyway.

So I just think there's probably a lot of that. I agree. I think there's probably a lot of that

going on with the tattoo culture right now too. Yeah, there's some really cool looking tattoos

on people. I actually had a tattoo when I was in, I went on a Mormon mission. So I was raised

Mormon, like orthodox Mormon all in. And last six years, it's evolved a lot. So I don't really

subscribe to the dogma of that religion. But I got tattoo with a bunch of my buddies. I was living

in Kansas at the time right before I went on a Mormon mission. Yeah, I'll never forget you guys.

We're homies for life. You know, I got tattoos. I got to removed. Was a Mormon tattoo? No,

it was just kind of, I had it in Japanese kanji on my back. You know, it's just kind of a mantra

that I had. And you know, I don't know if I'd even remove it now, but I just think the people

are just covering themselves with tattoos. I think it's a sign of like inner work that hasn't been done.

A lot of insecurity for the most part. Not all of them, obviously, but a lot of us beautiful. And a

lot of it. I don't, I would categorize everybody that way. But I think you know, making a decision,

a permanent decision about how you're going to look for the rest of your life at a certain age

seems really myopic to me. Yeah. You know, like you're going to grow and change and evolve. But that

are that you put on or that, you know, butterfly or, you know, girlfriend's name or whatever.

It's good. It's good. Your life is good to change. You're not going to necessarily have to save

inclination a couple of years. Your brain, your brain's developing till 26.

They just found that out. So if you're getting excited up at 18, you might regret that in eight years.

When your brain's finally done developing for, you know, yeah, I'm finally at peace with myself though.

I'm glad you brought that up. It's been a process. I'd say this podcast has finally helped me be

at peace with myself. I had a lot of identity issues growing up. Well, what were your identity issues?

I lacked confidence. Never felt like a fat fit in with a friend group.

Why do you think that was? I was really shy. I didn't really know myself. I didn't have that

father figure guy with me. Was a PC gaming nerd. Just into stuff that people weren't into in my area,

I guess. I didn't feel it. I felt like I was like pretending to be someone I wasn't just a fit in

with friend groups. Yeah. I mean, I kind of say in a lot there, but the idea of not having a father

figure around so much of kids self worth and their confidence comes from a father figure.

For sure. And the fact that you've been able to kind of move past that and develop yourself and

hold standards for yourself is super impressive. Yeah. Well, just having thousands of conversations

at this point, it's really helped me find my values. It wasn't easy. I could see why a lot of

guys are lost because I was there. It's definitely there. They never get out of it. They get into

these dead end marriages and if they don't get wrecked by divorce, you know, where they're paying

alimony and paying child support and driving a forklift living in like a one-bedroom apartment

with buddies for the rest of their lives, they're just like the walking dead. Like I see so many

guys married for a long period of time and they just, you can see that they have the soul that was

in there is gosh dude. That probably played a role in me too because I saw my dad. He got the

divorce twice actually. So my mom was the second divorce, but after that one, she was never the same

destroyed. You know, so seeing that, I think definitely played a role on me.

Yeah. Divorce, that was the hardest thing I've ever been through. I love that.

Yeah, nothing, nothing hard on that. I had three kids from that marriage too. Legal fees and

costumes. Yeah, all of that. That just is like that, that's touching the surface, but just

I mean for me was an identity crisis. It was a faith crisis. It was a, oh yeah, because in the

Mormon, you're not supposed to get divorced right in the Mormon culture. Yeah, that was part of it

for sure, but a lot of it was just an identity crisis that you're like, dude, you get a really

bad relationship and there's a lot of like bad things that are said in that relationship and

you start to, you start to believe the stuff that you're told, you know, the criticisms and

the attacks and stuff. It's powerful. It is powerful and you hear it over and over again.

You know, I remember I went to a, we went to a marriage counselor about halfway through

our marriage, like four or five years into it and a female marriage counselor. So I thought I was

going to get completely eviscerated. You know, like women validate each other, right? It's like,

they don't tell each other the truth. Women do not tell each other the truth. My wife is the most

authentic woman I've ever met. She hasn't tell her friends the truth because they would talk to

them. Too emotional, right? Yeah, so she's nice to them, right? She'll always be nice. It's just,

it's volatile. So women just validate each other. So I thought, man, I'm going into the lion's den,

but whatever we got to do to try and make this work and yeah, that was like, it was so bad the first

session that she separated us for the next one. Wow. Yeah, she's like, yeah, we're just going to

separate you guys and I'll meet with each individual next week and I go in there and I think she's just

going to, you know, this or me. And I'm ready for it. Like I'm going to take my punches on the

chin and the first thing she said to me is like a, it was like a clip right out of Goodwill on

Teach. She's like, it's not your fault. Wow. And I couldn't, it was one of the few times in my

life I was speechless. Like I was like, what? Because my whole life, I thought it was my fault. Like

everything was reinforcing that if the marriage isn't working, it's, it's on my end. And I really

internalize that and believe that. So yeah, this is, this isn't your fault. And I only think she's

partially true. But, uh, nonetheless, being validated for the first time ever where somebody was like

not just sticking up for the woman. Yeah. You know, like seeing a guy, what, what I was dealing with,

it was profound. We're feeling for my night. It was like oxygen came in. It took me, it took me,

like most of that session to like kind of process where she was. Holy crap. I was just like, what?

Wait, go back. What am I talking about? Like, I don't get it. I don't get it again. Man,

I just started going to therapy again. How do you feel about that? Like therapy in general?

I go to the gym for therapy. Yeah. I didn't work on me in college. I'm trying it again just because

I'm getting married. I want to try some pre-marital stuff. Got my third session coming up. Nothing

too profound yet, if I'm being honest. But I guess it is called event as a man. I don't get to

let stuff out often. Do you have a good group of friends around you? Not about personal issues.

Yeah. All my friends are business related, which is probably a flaw. Yeah, you need that, bro. Yeah.

Like one of the, one of the primary aspects of being a healthy man is having a good tribe of

brothers around you. It men make men good. Yeah. Women don't. And having guys that you can share

your shit with. And you know, guys out is like, you talk shit. You open up. You share something

vulnerable. Your buddies roast. You make fun of you for it. I mean, they'll hear you and stuff.

But it's all in love. But you get it out, right? You get it like you're saying. You can get it out

of what's inside of you and lay it on the table. And once you can look at it and you have other people

looking at it and you realize they still love you, even though you're fucked up. And you know, they are

that to me, my time with my friends and my time going to the gym working out. And I believe in

God. I spend a lot of time with meditation where those are my things I do for therapy.

Yeah, I'd love to have a group of men around me that have been in long relationships,

marriages. I think that'd be very important for me to start thinking about, you know.

Yeah, I think a good tribe is like paramount to the mental health. In fact, there was a research

that was I was just doing a podcast on this like for men's mental health, they need at least two

nights a week with their buddies. Wow. Yeah. Okay. For the optimal optimal mental health. Like I

really got to work on that because I don't do any. Yeah, I think I think you would find an enormous

amount of value from that. Yeah. Of course, you got to be selective about your friends because you

can't trust everybody. But when you can have a good group of guys around you that, you know,

I mean, we've evolved that way. It's not like this is some sort of modern idea. Like men,

we came up in tribes. Men spent time with men every single day. Right. You know, hunting,

going to war, moving the tribe, sitting around the fire. This is just baked into who we are. Yeah,

I need to start doing that. I got four right now, but three of them are single as the problem.

But maybe the one guy that is in maybe I could just do one-on-one sessions with him.

Yeah, just hang out, you know. He doesn't have to be like, hey, we're having a friend session.

You just just even be on outside with him laughing about shit and, you know, that that to me is therapy.

You got a brotherhood, like, is that what Doe Boy is? Yeah, Doe Boy is my, uh, my online brotherhood.

So this is for guys that there's so many guys out there that, you know, we're talking about,

they just, they don't understand how to get their life in order on a myriad of different ways,

right? Like financially, physically, uh, in a relationship as a father, whatever it is, you know,

brotherhood. Um, so we spend a lot of time. I do two-hour sessions, every life sessions, every

single Sunday. Wow. With these guys and we dig into the different articles of masculinity and,

and it's cool to see how it's evolved. It's small right now. We're officially launching next month.

But we've got like 40 members right now. So go now. My first about a 10 people.

Yeah, it's 15 maybe. Yeah, well, you know, it is what it is. It's not, it's not even doing it for

numbers. I mean, at the end of the day, you got to, you got to, there's a, there's a charge for it

very small, but you got to keep the lights on and be able to make it make sense. But it really

has evolved into like guys that I'm really close with and some of these guys have never been in person.

That's cool, man. Yeah. Yeah. Some of my closest friends, I met Almond, you know, through Instagram.

Right. And now we're like best friends. So it's a new era. You can use it to network.

Absolutely. Yeah. I think a lot, there's a lot of issues. How much of it is the testosterone problem?

Do you think that's causing a lot of these issues? Men with low testosterone? Oh, yeah. For sure.

I think there's a lot of factors in this, but the low testosterone, you know, the building block

for a healthy man is testosterone and vitamin D. Like you have to have those levels where they need to

be at or you're going to be operating on empty, you know, and it's really hard to be engaged in

anything that's meaningful when you feel like you're, you're just trying to fight to keep your head

above the water. And I think that's where most guys are at. They're in survival mode. Yeah.

Just trying to get through the day. Yeah. Average guy now has the same T levels as our grandparents.

Dude, I went in and got, so I went in five, six years ago to get my T levels checked and they were

like lower than an 80 year old date. I was like sub 200 or something. What the? 50 bro.

I was working out all the time, but that was actually part of the issue too, as I was doing a lot of

long, like high endurance, long distance training, which spikes your cortisol and kills your testosterone.

Wow. So distance running is not the healthiest thing? No, not for your, not for your hormone levels.

It's not. Yeah, it's really bad for like you to, that's why they're all skinny and kind of look

feminine. Yeah. I mean, I was always like the big guy out there. I've always been a fairly big

guy, but I still like my levels were so low, but you know, I'd be in the middle of an afternoon

every day and I'd like, I have to stop whatever I'm doing and take a nap. Dad. I can't function right

now. So I'd like, guys, I got to go 20 minute power nap or whatever, try and recharge just to get

through the day. Sheesh. You know, then you, you know, low testosterone just leads to a whole host

of other issues, like because you're just redlining all day. You know, you get to the end of the night

with your kids and you're just trying to march them into bed as fast as you can, just get the night

over with so you can kind of let down your guard. Yeah. And I started taking testosterone. I

worked through my doctor on that, started taking testosterone. I kind of felt like I was back in

college where I had that fighting shape again. I go into the gym, be like, I'm looking forward to

working out instead of just treating it like it was a chore. I was at 520 when I first measured,

which is slightly above average. Now I'm at 700. I'm playing way more basketball now. I feel better.

I could work longer hours, have been better sex. Like everything's just improved. Everything.

Like everything. You're mental too. Oh yeah. You're locked in everything in your drive. A lot of

it's driving your ambition. You're like ready to go out and conquer. Yeah, every man should watch

and they should measure their teeth. They haven't. I'm sure there's a lot of low numbers right now in

the audience. Go to good doctors. Yeah. Because a lot of doctors don't understand this. You got to go to

doctors, understand hormones and where your levels should be at. Yeah, a lot of the modern, like the

the ones insurance covers at least won't really give you in depth details. I hope you'll work.

Right. And I think there's a whole reason for that. Like a rabbit hole to go down there. We're

supposed to be where the livestock were supposed to be sick and have a drip and eating bad food and

making money for the powers of the... I mean, they cancel tape for that, saying all that. He's

a little too early, I think. He's trying to wake up masculinity through everything out of me.

Did him dirty, man. Now he's banned everywhere. Yeah. Crazy. Have you been banned anywhere?

I got banned on so well, I got shadow banned on Instagram for talking about

Pharma. Big Pharma. I thought I'd post some of my posts taken down. Yeah, talking about that shit.

I got a strike on YouTube for a couple of years ago. I feel like they're not as bad now, but

I don't know about Instagram. Well, they always got their finger up in the air. I like

testing the political winds. And I think we can see that there's a big movement right now to get

to wake up and see the matrix for what it is using taste term. You know, see the matrix for what

it is. And so I think they're trying to follow that as best they can. Well, still pushing the

propaganda. Wow. So it's the pharma one. I thought it'd be you roasting a feminist or something,

now do it. No, dude. I've got no issues with feminists. I've never had any any strikes for

that. It was pharma. And then on it TikTok, I got completely banned. I'm banned on TikTok.

Yeah, I was talking about Trump and they just shut it down. Yeah, mine was about Israel.

Now I'll do it these days. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you can't talk about right? Yeah,

talking about Israel right now. It sucks. So I had a big following there, but it's all good. Oh,

man, it's all good. That's crazy world we live in. Well, I'm gonna set up a debate with you, man.

I got a lot of feminists that have been on the show. A lot of only fans, millionaire girls. I'd

love to see you to sit down and see if there's any common ground. Yeah, man, I love it. I'd be happy

for a debate. I think that's that's where the show's heading more towards debates. And then I like

to let the audience decide on how they feel. But I like to have both sides share their perspective

on life. Are you familiar with Jubilee? Yeah, I've seen there one on 20s. Yeah, I've gone to a few of

those. I've been on a couple of them. We didn't do the debates. They're doing the debates now.

I'd be interested in doing that. I mean, they're kind of like debates. It's like you'd sit down

and they'd pose a question and you'd break up into different sides on the middle ground.

Middle ground. I've done that twice. Which episodes? I did one on, I guess both of them were on

parenting. So one of them was on one of them was on you have like strict parents versus

called an open range parent. And you were on the strict side? Yeah, being sort of that was kind of

like I don't really consider myself a strict parent. I feel I would use the word structured.

It's all relative. Yeah. When I think of strict, I think of helicopter parent. Yeah.

Like up your ass type shit. Just micromanaging everything you do. I don't know that with my kids.

But I do feel like kids desperately need more structure than they have.

Do you believe in like a curfew? Yeah, having your kids home at a reasonable time,

making sure they're getting up at a reasonable time, giving them a framework for life that's

actually going to work. Because you know, when you start having kids, man, it's such a heavy

responsibility and it is such a sacred responsibility. You are literally giving that child their

framework for the rest of their life. Right. Unless some crazy event transpires and they change

course, you're setting them on a trajectory that's going to determine the outcome of their entire

life. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of research that shows kids make 10% or 10% more, 10% lower than

what their parents make. So even on a like a financial level, they're they're going to follow whatever

you do. There's also I was listening to a psychologist talk about the nature of God and the idea of God

and how children get their idea of God from their father particularly. So their spirituality,

their finances, everything that they go into this life with is going to come from you. So if you're

not teaching them how to, you know, especially as a father, there's something different with a

mother where mother just is always going to pick them up and wipe their nose and tell them their

love and try and shelter them. That's what women generally do. The feminine energy is about kind

of protecting their children. You know, as a man, your job is to prepare them. Like if I'm not getting

my kids ready for life, then I'm felling as a father. Yeah. And so there has to be structure for

that. Yeah. I don't consider that strict to be honest. That's what I'm saying. They invited me

on, but I was kind of like, you know, on the different issues, kind of back and forth on it. The

other one that I did was one way was actually really cool. I got to bring my boy on there. Oh,

nice. And it was a conversation with parents and their kids. Interesting. Yeah. And that was,

it got really personal actually. Oh, wow. Yeah. And have you ever gotten that personal with your

son like that before? Yeah. To some extent, he opened up differently on that show. Oh, wow. Yeah.

He felt more comfortable. Maybe. Yeah. Interesting. It was really it was a really cool experience

for both of us. It was just me and him. We flew out to LA and nice. You know, spent some time out

there together and did the show and yeah, I love what you believe doing. Yeah. To be honest,

even though they're pretty liberal and conservative, but I love how they bring people together like that.

I agree. And I'm fairly conservative too. But they do a pretty good job of presenting both sides

and not trying to impose their view into the into the content they're making. They should put

you on a one on 20. Oh, yeah. 20 feminists. Well, what would I talk about feminists? Oh,

you know, you knock out a bunch of every 20 single mother or something like that. You know,

because there's a thing with feminism at the end of the day. Have you that I ask you you've

talked to feminists. I've talked to some. Have you ever met a happy feminist? A happy feminist.

Not off the top of my head. I can't think they all seem like they have a chip on their shoulder.

Exactly. Like react emotionally. There's a women have been weaponized by feminism. And now they're

in this victim mindset, this entitled victim mindset. And so you like at the end of the day,

like, is it working or is it not working? You got to get to that. And it's like feminism isn't

working for anybody. You know, 85% of men hate going into the workforce. And so why would a woman

want to do that? Well, 85%? 85% of people working in America do not like their jobs. Oh, shit. Yeah.

So the system isn't working. Men show up and do it anyways because they have responsibilities.

Now, they got to take care of their family. Got to put a roof over their heads. They got to put

a food on the table. So they're willing to go do that. The idea that women would want to race

into that. You'd probably see some of those where these women are like, who thought it was a good

idea for us to work. They're all pissed off. But that feminism for like creating this culture

where women have to work now. Well, these days, I get it because it's hard to be a single

income household. Well, and it's because a lot of this, right? So you know, the standard change

where women came into the workforce, it increased the cost of everything, right? You know, because

there's more people making more money. So the cost of everything is going up. So it's a self-inflicted

wound. Oh, wow. I never knew that. Yeah. That makes sense. The holy crap. So basically before

women were working as much as they are, it was more attainable. Yeah, you could have a single

income household generally speaking. That was the case for the vast majority of people. Yeah,

I feel like our grandparents could do that, right? They could buy a house. They could pay it off in

10 years. You know, they could have a decent living and live well with just one income. Yeah,

my dad, his generation, the generations before that. Now you can't. Hell no. I know a lot of that is

because you have more people coming into the workforce. You got more money coming in. So with more

money, you know, and resources not catching up to that, you're going to have to pay more money

for that. Yeah, I think my grandfather, my dad's side was a farmer. Uh-huh. A grandmother didn't even

work, right? That is not possible anymore. My mom never worked. My, my, both my grandparents,

grandmother's didn't work. My wife doesn't work. Wow. And that was one of the things was really

attractive to me. I heard not working. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because she's not in her masculine energy.

Well, yeah, partly for me, but mostly for kids. Like, I'm like, dude, I don't want, I don't want

some daycare raising kids. I see you homeschool them. No, no, they go to school. I mean, that's kind of

like daycare. So they, they go to school at home schooling. I think it's a great idea. I think it's,

that's a big, uh, a big project to break off. But, um, and I think there's a lot of value. I have

a lot of problems with public schools. Uh, but there's a lot of value in how to learn to develop

friends and the extracurricular activities, especially with sports and arts and stuff like that,

I think is really important for kids. So it's kind of a two-edge sword for me. Yeah, I remember being

younger and like we thought kids that got homeschooled were weird. Make fun of them and now has

an older about it become married and apparent. I'm like, I would do it. Yeah, well, and the kids

are weird only because their parents are weird. They used to be weird to be a homeschool parent.

You know, like, they were usually weird families. Yeah, where if you're put together as parents and

you are engaged in your kids' progress and preparing them, you're going to get them involved with

other activities and stuff like that. So I think, I think homeschool is a brilliant idea. The notion

that you just outsource the teaching of your kids to the government is really uncomfortable for me.

Yeah, eight hours a day. They're in that school. And they're just being trained at the very,

at the very best, best case scenario. They're being trained to be cogs in the machine, right?

Sit at the desk. Shut up. Do what you're told. You're going to get the information on the test.

They're being conditioned. All their creativities get squashed out of them. All their interests are

being, you know, smashed. Yup. Uh, and at worst case scenario, you know, schools are propaganda

machines now. And I think that will even get worse with AI. I think now, because allegedly,

you could get jobs from going to school, even though that's bullshit, as we know. But now with AI,

I don't think college degrees will even matter. I don't think these jobs are going to be around

in 10, 20 years by the time these kids schedule it. None of our jobs will, man. Maybe podcasting,

but yeah, I don't know. We did, we did a couple of reels. You know, I pop out reels on my content.

We did a couple of reels. It was 100% AI. Really? Yeah. Me speaking, not me. I've never

said the words. I couldn't even tell. Holy shit. And we were just testing it. We put it,

it was like a few months, it was like six months ago. We popped out two of them. And no one commented,

like, you know, just, wow, I couldn't even tell. It was me speaking. That's nuts. We were just

messing around with it. We none of us are going to, whatever, whatever the, this singularity event

is going to be when AI is like fully integrated and everything. It's going to, it's going to do

everything any of us do better. So agreed other than jobs with emotional aspects, I think?

I think it'll be a little mimic. You think it'll be a little mimic. It's growing so rapidly.

Wow. It's already mimic. I mean, I'm having conversations with Chad. And it feels like a real

conversation. In fact, I asked Chad a few months ago, I was at the airport and I was just like,

hey, Chad, I want you to be brutally honest with me. You know, tell me where my blind spots are at.

You know, where you don't, don't sugarcoat anything. I just want to know what you're, you know,

your AI opinion is on, on of who I am. And what it pumped out was really profound. Wow. I was

emotional. Holy crap. I got emotional. I don't really get emotional about it. I'm usually just

hungry or tired. That's about the only emotions I show. I was like, got me my feelings and stuff.

And I'm like, this is AI. I need to try that prompt. It was crazy, man. Like what's coming down

the pipeline is going to change everything. I mean, I had a guest on. He said his mother has cancer

and the doctor told me to go to this specific place to get the surgery done by AI by a robot

because it's more precise. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Like that's already here. Like that's,

those surgeries are already happening. I went to the dentist, the scan my teeth through it in the AI

showed me all my cavities. I was listening to who was one of the health experts on the podcast

was just talking about recently how his prediction is that if we're alive in five years,

that will be living to like 250. No way. Yeah, because AI will be able to calculate everything

about you. Wow. Everything in real and prescribed what you need to have to be live and healthy

and long. 250 would be crazy. 250 years. That you start reading stuff in the

Bible and you're like, these dudes lived at like 900. Yeah, I've seen that. Maybe. I've seen that.

I don't know. You believe in that? Living long? No, back in the day, people are living like

hundreds of years. Well, I did the thing. The interesting thing about the Bible to me is that

all of this stuff that people say is impossible. The miracles are the stories or whatever.

They're becoming more and more real. You know, and you got these guys like Graham Hancock and

stuff that are talking about this highly advanced civilization that existed 12,000 years ago or

15,000 years ago, you know, that we're able to build these pyramids and stuff to withstand

the cataclysmic events that they foresaw coming with a meteor hitting and I think who was it

was talking about it being in Greenland. They found it where it hit the earth so hard. It ushered

in a nice age and they knew that. Oh, that's across the ice age though. Yeah, wow. Yeah, and

it tipped the earth. So like Antarctica has like fruit trees and stuff on it. Really? Yeah, dude.

There's a great book you should read called Fingerprints of the Gods, dude. It's by Graham Hancock.

It's one of the most interesting books I have ever read. Holy crap. But he his his his kind of a

really tragic ominous sort of ending to it where it's like, you know, these these or this advanced

civilization knew that they were going to be wiped out. And so they were building these

monolithic pyramids or temples to withstand that to say, hey, we were here. And embedded in those

things are like all of these secrets. I mean, like, like the pyramids, you know, the measurements

of the pyramids, mass and circumference of the globe, they align with the star systems. Like,

point true north, like the way that they created them, it leaves behind a lot of clues. And then,

you know, you got like the library of Alexandria where they had to do this. It's crazy. Like it

was like a map that was like 3000 years old. That was a copy of an older map. And they had on

that map in the library of Alexandria, the coastline of Antarctica pre ice like the land that

already been it already been navigated. And they had longitudinal lines on it. What? Yeah,

you got to read this book. Go read the book. Yeah, it's fascinating. That's not. We can discover

longitudinal lines until like the 1700s. Cheese. So they were way ahead of us, whatever I lived here

before. Yeah. So then you say, hey, is it possible what happened in the Bible? Where it's like,

we don't understand everything's going on. You know, and I, with the scriptures, I'm a Bible

reading guy. I read my Bible every day. I've gone to the point where I just read the Gospels,

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John just kind of on repeat because I'm just going to the best source I

can for reading what Jesus had to say. But I'm not religious anymore. You know, I don't think Jesus

was religious. I think he was very anti-religion. I think religion is basically inserting middleman

between you and God. Yup. All religion sells is exclusivity. You know, this, you're on the winning

team, essentially pride and shame. That's what religion set sells. Like, you're the bad guy. If you do

X, Y and Z, if you're part of this team, we guarantee you a spot in heaven or whatever. And I don't

have any reuse for religion, but what Christ teaches in the Gospels is like the most powerful

framework I've ever seen for how to be a man. And he was more concerned about telling the truth

than anything else. That's why they killed him. Yeah. They didn't kill him because he was the

son of God. They killed him because he was telling. He was a threat to the religious and the

political establishment. And he was getting traction. And so they, you know, they crucified him.

Yeah, it's not. He was setting people free. He was getting them to wake up. Like, dude, you don't

have to follow all these rules. Yeah. It's not going to save you. And now you're seeing not now

history repeating itself. Always. That's what I'm doing. Telling the truth right now is getting

canceled. It's always been the case where, you know, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,

basal, said this, he said that, uh, you know, humans we've evolved, um, that we want to be accepted

more than we want to be honest. Hmm. Well, that's deep. Except, yeah. Acceptance is more important

to be honest. I agree. I think the only thing that did AI won't stamp out, I think the only

saving grace humans are going to have in an AI world is authenticity. You know, you have a

completely unique genetic coding. Yeah. It has never existed before. Never will exist after this.

you have completely unique life experiences.

I'm hoping that AI looks at all of this as like an art.

I didn't create this. I could create everything else.

AI, I could manufacture everything else, but you, me, everybody else,

these are all such unique perspectives,

data points to collect information from.

We'll see. We'll look back at this five, ten years from now.

If we're around. Yeah, if we're around.

Well, Adam, it's been awesome, man. Where could people watch your pod

and potentially work with you and all that?

Yeah, John, thanks for having me on the show.

I've I've posted up a lot of content on my Adam Alert official page.

That's where you and I linked up.

But the Doboy Nation is launching full launch the first

of September and then we've got a new podcast.

We just launched who started this fire.

It's just guys sitting around a fire.

Talk about guyship. Great idea.

Yeah. All right, check them out guys.

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