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Believe it or not, we are coming up on three weeks of this conflict in Iran. We've had some American military deaths. Unfortunately, a lot of people are concerned that more may come. It looks like the military is doing everything perfectly. If you listen to Donald Trump, we're going to find out if that is true with a special guest tonight. He's been on the program before. You see him a lot on the Fox News and also on Newsmax. I've seen him there as well. His name is Lieutenant Colonel Darren gobb and Lieutenant Colonel.

Welcome back to the program. Always good to have you. All right, Booker. Thank you for having me back on again. It's been a little bit, but you know lots of lots of lots of change and lots stayed the same. It's been a very fast three weeks, though, since this war kicked off. I think the last time you were here, we were talking about Iran again. This time was back in June when we dropped the mobs and tried to take out all their nuclear capabilities. I guess we didn't back them because now here we are again and that I guess is one of the objectives that Donald Trump

has talked about. In my mind, I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what the objectives are here. I think militarily, it is to destroy the ballistic missile launchers and the missile capabilities. But I'm not hearing much else. What do you think the true objectives are here? Because you hear regime change and you hear a lot of different things. Messaging, I think, has been a little bit chanky sometimes. What do you think? What are the objectives here? Yeah, that's one of the challenges. And I'll tell you, um,

as a military planner who's worked a lot of different levels of planning, including operations that would be considered at the same level and scope and intensity of Iran, defining objectives and then putting them on paper and then defining what also, by the way, makes them measurable and achievable. So you know, when you've reached something, it sounds easy, but it's extraordinarily difficult, and especially with the conflict like this. And so I think it's easy to say,

uh, remove the ability of Iran to threaten the region. And frankly, potentially the globe with nuclear capabilities and and or missiles. And of course, those two can be combined and that tends to be where everybody stops because it is easy to understand what gets a little bit more difficult is, uh, is the word regime change and it tends to have a negative connotation to it and that negative reputation, I guess you could say as well.

But in this case, I would say that what they're doing is the objective being big picture eliminate Iran's ability to threaten the entire region and potentially the globe with nuclear and with nuclear missiles and missiles in general.

And the second one being the set the conditions for the people of Iran to be able to, if they choose to eliminate the dictatorship around them and chart a new path forward from Iran, how you do that is eliminate as much as you can of the state's security apparatus, which is mostly the internal security very little external when it comes to the military functions and.

That's what I see is the harder one to define the harder one to understand and why it tends to be something that's kind of glossed over in the military objectives discussions that happen in public, because it's it's actually a lot harder to win that victory than it is, you know what I say is it's a lot harder to win the peace than it is to win the war sometimes.

And we're very good militarily at achieving military scope and objectives as you see happening it's the what happens next.

And the last thing I'll say is sometimes military objectives for operations of this scale are not shared publicly for a reason you do not want to give an enemy forced a clear definition of what you're trying to achieve or do because they'll take advantage of it.

And the best example of that is when Biden came across the internet and during the news services and said, this is when we're leaving Afghanistan, well, you've just handed all leverage to the Taliban.

Yeah, that's why sometimes you don't do that.

And that resulted in American deaths 13 were killed there at Aggate as a result of that in a terrible withdrawal from Afghanistan. Most Americans wanted it, even Donald Trump wanted that to happen.

The way that it took place, the way that it happened with Joe Biden was a debacle. It was terrible. It should have never happened that way.

There were different ways to do it and obviously history will tell everybody exactly what happened there and Afghanistan and Aggate and we're still paying for that.

I think today let's go back to military here in Iran.

Will you give it a grade of a plus so far from what you're seeing.

Oh, yeah, from from what I'm seeing, I mean, you're going to give it a solid a easily a plus if you dig into the details and things pan out the way they should now.

I will tell you that there's been a myriad of military operations of multiple scales and you know, nothing ever goes perfect.

As you would expect, there's going to be communications challenges. Something's going to break. There's going to be a misconstrued order of timing is going to happen or weather or things in or out of your control.

But in the end, despite all that, that's kind of like the work going on behind the curtain on a stage play as long as you put up the show before the audience for lack of a better way to describe it and they don't see anything wrong.

Then, you know, you're covering up for all those little not necessarily covering up, but you're making up for all those mistakes that happen that.

And they're not big enough to affect the overall operation. So I've been thoroughly impressed with this operation, how effective it's been, how quick it's been.

Across the board.

I know there's some lessons learned from messaging to targeting and there'll be plenty of them for years in advance.

But the I think the American people can look at this and they can debate whether we shoot or shouldn't be doing this. That's a healthy debate to have.

But when you look at the professionalism of the military operation and what they're achieving.

American folks should know that they should be very proud of this and know that there is still no force on this planet that matches ours.

It is impressive and the American people should get behind the military regardless of whether you think we should be doing this or not.

But let me ask you, Darren, do you think we should be doing this? Do you see that there was an imminent threat from Iran because a lot of people are using that word because of the War Powers Act?

Was there an imminent threat from Iran after especially after June last year when we went in there and dropped bombs to take care of their nuclear capabilities?

Yeah, well, you know, I am behind what's happening and here's the reason why.

1979, we know the Iranian revolution happened and the show was deposed and the moon, the moon was took charge and began to turn Iran into a theocratic dictatorship based on some of the most radical views of Islam, you can imagine.

At that same time, that dictatorship organization and group became very clear in their goals about number one target erase the Jewish state number two target the most powerful Christian nation on the planet of us.

They declared war on us then they've been in war with us since I agree.

And we have not paid attention to that fact. I mean, we're basically the guy in the corner getting mulled by us, you know, you know, a boxing ring and getting tumbled by a much smaller boxer who doesn't have the skill to be even in the ring in the first place.

So anybody who says that, you know, we started this and Iran did not is simply not aware of history and what's been going on. I have the benefit of having a lot of intelligence background as well.

So I know what they've been doing.

And to a point you have to respect the idea that there could be an imminent threat. And what they're on there always is they had the capacity and we're building the capacity over time to create ultimately missiles with nuclear capability, even if it was regional and not global that just couldn't be allowed to happen. And what has happened to Iran over those decades, though.

Well, frankly, it's turned into a global narco terrorist regular terrorist religious theocracy money laundering scheme sending out terrorists terrorism and all these things that you can imagine globally.

And so when we say that, you know, it's Iran that's the Middle East concern. That's not our war. Well, it is to Iran, we are their target. And they had Hezbollah in Venezuela and in the islands north of Venezuela, they've moved Hezbollah through and through Mexico into the southern border of the United States.

And so the history is there.

And we need to acknowledge it and we can't change that history. We are where we are now. And so we have to deal with the threat that's in front of us now.

And there's a chance to free 90 million people from the hands of a dictatorship in Persia.

And you know, I think it's a noble cause. We're engaged in for a very good reason.

And people will make arguments against that. But I think a lot of them are concerned about us getting into protracted land wars where we have failed before.

Let's talk about it. Do you see that Trump doing it? Yeah, I don't see Trump doing that. I mean, if that was the case, guess what would have happened already?

There would have been national guard mode of mobilizations. There would have been reserve mobilizations. There would have been active duty forces on trains going to boats because that takes a month, month and a half, sometimes just to get across the water in large quantities.

And I'm familiar with the logistics behind how these large formations move up done it so many times.

If we were intending to be on the ground in Iran with significant levels of forces at all of any kind.

They would have already been moving two months ago.

I remember the first Gulf War and it took a month, two months to get everybody over there in the desert before they ever invaded and went into Kuwait to remove Saddam Hussein and Iraq.

You make a great point there. I had not even thought about that. That's why you're here on the program with the military background that you have.

Back to that history because I wrote an article on that a couple of weeks ago, 1979 Iran declared war. I used the words that you used.

And some people came back to me. Well, what about 1947 to 1953 when England came in there and they put in the Shah.

So they were trying to make the argument that the CIA along with England actually started all of this and took it away from the people of Iran.

I think we know the truth. That is not the truth. We know that the Iranian people, 75% of them right now, they want their freedom. They want it back like they had it prior to 1979.

As you look at, yeah, go ahead, Darren, please come out quick and easy one there is like, you know, let's just pretend like all that was even true.

So what?

Yeah, does that help us solve this problem now?

Not really. I mean, I think we're all pretty well versed in the fact that there's a lot that has to do with the banking system and the Bretton Woods Accords and all wars being banker wars that you could bring into all this and create a lot of different philosophical and other types of arguments, sure.

But, you know, just that solve the issue we're dealing with in 2026.

Exactly is that issue? Is it Iran nuclear weapons? Is it Iran continuing to disrupt the Gulf Arab nations as they have with Hasbola, the Houthis and Hamas in the Gaza Strip?

Is that what this is all about to make the Gulf Arab nations and obviously Israel make them free and safe?

That's certainly part of it, but it in itself, it's not all.

This is another one of those things that I executed and learned in the military was that oftentimes what you're looking for is the effect of an action.

And so don't always tell me as a planner or a commander, depending on where I was.

Exactly what you want me to do and how you want me to do it. Tell me what effect you're trying to achieve and I will help you and I will help by defining a way forward to get to that.

So what other effects are we looking for beyond the reducing Iran's missile capabilities, nuclear capabilities in general, annoying part of it is Iran throughout Middle East Central Asia.

When you combine Iran with Venezuela, you take away a large part of the cheap oil that was going to China.

Yeah.

You take away the drone factories that were supplying Russia.

You take away all those are just the big ones. There's a lot of little things out there that the effects you achieve are not

destroying Iran's missile capabilities. What you're doing in many cases, you're actually attempting to restructure much of the global economic order.

Out to China, out to Venezuela out to who runs the Panama Canal and by the way affecting Russia and Ukraine, the Russia Ukraine war.

And these are just some, some examples and certainly not all because we haven't even talked about things like.

Loads of London, yeah, becoming irrelevant to ensuring shipping in the Panama Canal by saying, hey, we'll do it.

They've been around for a long time and they may become more irrelevant in the insurance industry altogether as a result of this.

Well, they could and they're very powerful player. We're still dealing with a lot of the post British Empire world, including by the way those lines on the map in the Middle East.

That's a valid point that that's how those lines got there. That's why the Kurds are distributed across so many nations and all of these things.

When you put them all together, you end up with the problem that we're dealing with today, which is the rogue regime in Iran that is basically being used as a facilitation mechanism to export terrorism drugs and so many other things around the world.

That's the reality. I want to get your thoughts on the Strait of Hormuz and Kirk Island and those things in a few minutes.

But I want to come back to the regime change part of it. I personally believe I don't have military experience.

You do. That's why you're here. But I personally believe that the people of Iran are going to have to do that.

And it sounds like that's what Donald Trump believes. We have seen what has happened in Syria. Syria, we kind of left it up to them.

It has worked out. I guess for now it's no longer a civil war going there like it had been.

That's what's going to have to happen with those 75% of the people.

You mentioned the Kurds there a few minutes ago. I read over the weekend that the Kurds are really standing by to be the ground troops if they need them.

There are Kurds in Iran and there are Kurds there on the border as well. Have you heard anything about that?

Yeah, I've seen some stuff about the Kurds and I've been.

I've worked with them in the past and know what they're like.

And so I'll start off by saying yes, I believe the answer to the the Iranian slash Persian question is their own people.

And but we can set the conditions for them to be able to do what they have to do by reducing their security apparatus and so on.

And all the leadership that may want to stick its head up, which you know, they seem to be less likely to do now.

So you're not going to stick an American military in Iran and think you're going to solve the problem of 90 million people.

That's just not feasible. And by the way, four times the size of Iraq and you saw how hard Iraq was.

When it comes to the Kurds speaking of Iraq.

Every time you hear Erbil on the news, that's Kurdish territory.

Also got South Eastern Turkey and northern Iran spread throughout there in in a portion of northern Syria.

And so they've been basically a state within a state.

In a way, which is why turkeys.

Always been very careful with the American military when I was down there flying missions along the Syrian border.

Because they assume that we were actually helping the Kurdish people build some sort of revolution against the Turkish government.

Well, there's a part of that that.

You know, it's true to the point where the Kurds want to be independent of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and northern Syria.

We, of course, weren't doing that. That was, that was their imagination.

But the Kurdish people are intensely loyal if you're loyal to them.

There is no greater enemy and no better friend.

And you better keep them as a friend. We've given our word to them in many cases and we need to do so.

What I would envision in an Iran scenario is not the Kurdish people rolling into Tehran and taking it over.

That kind of a thing more of an air bill situation in northern Iran where they might carve out a piece of land that they essentially put their their tents down and put a stake in the ground.

So this is ours. Just don't bother us. We won't bother you. The map lines won't really change.

It would, it would then function like northeast Iraq where air bill is almost like a cosmopolitan eastern European city compared to the rest of Iraq itself and much of them at least.

So I think the Kurds may have a role, but I think that's not the solution to Iran writ large.

Well, how do you go into Tehran then? And I don't necessarily believe that the Kurds were going to take it for it to be their own.

But really to be the ground force for those 75% of the 90 million people in Iran. They don't have arms. They're not going to be able to do this without arms or without an army.

And this is why I say it's the the military phase of this is the easy phase.

Frankly, and it's what we're used to is what we're the best at where we've constantly been challenged is saying, okay, we can't let mission creep take over on this and force us on to the ground in Iran to try to establish their governance.

No, they need to do that for themselves. Can the Kurds play a role? Sure. And especially if it's giving and arming the people of Iran, if that's what they want to be able to solve their own problem with.

Besides potentially them taking weapons from their own IRGC and goods forces whenever they get the opportunity to do so.

And that's that I think is the answer. I don't think it's an easy answer. Then I don't think it's going to be a bloodless answer.

But I do think it's the only way forward that is remotely feasible. And we're not trying to establish.

Like we did in Afghanistan and Iraq, which we're not going to try to establish in there a functioning American style, you know, constitutional republic with democratic tendencies.

We just want a nation in Iran, I think in the rest of the Middle East would like this too is a nation that can at least get along with its neighbors.

Yeah, no, I agree.

And not be. I mean, look, we got dictator ships were, you know, theocracy is in the Middle East that we work with all the time.

That doesn't make them our enemy. It doesn't necessarily mean they have to be our friends.

But if Iran is not what it is now, that's a win. And it's, I don't know.

None of us can foresee the future in this whole thing, but it's going to get harder when it comes to whatever on turned into.

And I encourage people to be patient, let this thing work out. Nobody is, you just said, nobody really knows what's going to happen.

That is war or a conflict, whatever you want to call this thing. That's what happens. You really don't know.

You can plan for everything. I think you do plan for everything. You just don't know what direction it's going to go.

I think that's where we are. We have more of this conversation coming up. You're listening to Lieutenant Colonel Darren gob.

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And welcome back to the truth be told here on America out loud talk radio.

I am Booker Scott with Lieutenant Colonel Darren gob Darren always great to have you.

Let's pick up the conversation there where we left off.

We are talking about regime change. We're talking about the Iranian people.

How soon could that part of this start taking place?

We see that the military for America Donald Trump's plan I think from what I can gather was four to six weeks.

That puts it around April 9th and as I said going into the break be patient.

You can never really figure out what's going to happen for sure.

But let's assume that somewhere along that timeline is about right.

Do you feel like they've done everything that they can do militarily?

The United States and Israel as far as decapitating the leadership, the IA tolas?

Not yet. And the reason why I say that is because the way this is the way this works from a unclassified planning perspective is you take away the greatest threat first.

With the immediate objective and that immediate objective was the ability to remove their capability to launch missiles all over the region.

And even greater quantities than we actually saw in order to do that you had to reduce and eliminate the effectiveness or completely potentially their air defense systems across the entire country.

Once you do that then you open up the aperture and then you're actually allowed to fly a whole lot more airplanes in and use a lot more other assets in places like the home moves straight on Carg Island and you name it.

And then you move inland and you start saying, OK, we're not going to we don't have to keep targeting air defense systems because they're gone.

If they pop up, we'll eliminate them on call or when we identify them. So what they're going to do now is start illuminating the key command and control nodes and military supply depots and stuff that have to do with that internal security function that their military serves.

And all their guns in Iran appointed inward they're not an invading force of foreign nations there to they're a controlling agency of their own people.

And so if we can start peeling that back and I do agree that somewhere in the next probably.

You know three to five weeks or so that you could very well have airplanes over the skies of Iran that are just boring holes in the skies because we've largely hit everything that mattered.

In that situation, if you're effective enough and the people on the ground there realize it enough, they can come together and we've helped set those conditions and put those in place to where the people can do that with much less risk than they would be now.

So that's why there's plenty of work left to do because that internal security apparatus is a 500,000 person military with you know what a 10,000 person could force who are the most violent radical.

And we're just going to keep pulling I guess whack them all with Iranian leaders.

And as I've described many times that Iran currently is led by a picture in a frame right led by an actual person.

Maybe he's gone too. We don't know. It'd be interesting to find out. I would not stick my head out at all if I were him.

Yeah. And you can't do that if you're going to claim leadership.

You wouldn't think that's leadership living in a hole like a ground hall. That's not.

But you all at risk and I'm going to hide in the bunker.

Let's talk about the straight of hormones because it's in the news. You were talking about it earlier.

How it's tied with China, Russia, not just China too, but the Asian countries, Japan, South Korea.

All of them are heavily dependent on the oil that comes through there.

And I guess what 80 to 90% of the oil from Iran goes through the island that we were discussing.

We bombed military assets, bases, whatever on that island. And I guess we took them out.

So I think also Donald Trump in America, we're showing them. We can also take out your oil.

It sounds like Donald Trump doesn't want to do that because he is dealing with higher gas prices already.

And he doesn't want to get that out of control. And if you destroy all of that oil, then the only thing that's going to happen is the price of gas is going to go up here at home domestically.

And that's not what he wants to do. But he did want to send a message, I think.

And then I've heard some people, former generals, General Kellogg would be one of those.

He says we should seize the island. And we hear about this 2500 Marine Expeditionary Force that's on their way over there.

Probably take another week to 10 days or so. Is there any possibility that's their purpose?

There's always that possibility in a Kellogg and I, I guess you could say it's fair that we're not going to find agreement very often.

And so, but then again, I don't, I have a lot of generals that don't agree with me as probably why I retired as a Lieutenant Colonel.

Well, I don't think it would be a good idea. And I'm not a former Lieutenant Colonel. I just don't think that, you know, sending troops there on that island is a good idea at all.

And I just don't know how it helps. And so I don't know. Maybe you and I agree on that.

Given the conditions that we're in right now, I don't see the need. And here's why and this will go back to my time and other news channels.

I was doing an interview yesterday with on Newsmax. And I made the point that if I were in the room with Trump right now, I would highly discourage bombing the oil facilities on Card Island. And I would not occupy it.

And so, one, because if you started bombing the oil facilities, what you're doing is actually ruined in the economic possibilities of Iran.

And the people now you're attacking the people and not the not the dictators and the mules.

Yes, I know they get their monies through that oil.

But all you got to do to stop that is just not let the ships leave. That's pretty helpful.

And that way the infrastructures in place. And there's still a price for the mules anyways.

But you know, and but right now we've got to get this straight to open. We know that they are severely degraded in most of that is largely due to risk decisions on on behalf of the companies that own the tankers.

And I think we'll I think we'll surmount that obstacle to a point and before too long because we're working to eradicate all those areas that threaten the straits from Iran in the first place.

We've just drawn launching capabilities surface to surface missile engagements from land to see those kinds of things.

But it has been again planning on this war for almost 50 years. And so they've got things littered all over the place. And frankly, the stretch of our mules is there only real last leverage point.

And so they're going to be desperate to keep that thing as a price to pay.

2% of our oil comes from the Persian Gulf region to here. We're a net exporter still regardless. But we're still subject to the global market oil, whether there's a glut or a reduction.

The prices fluctuate based on perceived risk in the future, not the necessary the now supply capability. So we know it's important.

And I think the risk decision on Trump's behalf and that he needs to keep in place is that you're not helping the situation if you destroy those facilities on car dial and that are left.

You're making things worse.

Just run the military capabilities on the island. I'm okay with throwing a marine expeditionary unit on there.

You're going to have to be convincing and the reason why we would need to do that.

I don't I don't see a reason to do that either. When it comes to the straight of horror moves, Donald Trump has had some frustration. He came out with this on Tuesday about NATO, our NATO allies.

It is frustrating. We have been there for Ukraine, which benefits Eastern Europe. We have spent $200 billion between cash and weapons.

We've been there for Ukraine and Eastern Europe. And now here we are with this while that Trump says they all agree that this is a bad thing.

They still don't want to help. And I have some sound here, Darren. We're going to listen to this. This was Donald Trump from the Oval Office on Tuesday about NATO.

All of the NATO allies agreed with us. But they don't want to, you know, despite the fact that we help them so much, we have thousands of soldiers in different countries all over the world.

And they don't want to help us, which is amazing. I mean, amazing. And I didn't do a full court press because I think if they did, they probably would be.

But we don't need help. You know, that war has been long prosecuted as far as I'm concerned. Almost from day one, we knocked out many of these things.

We knocked out the Navy essentially in a couple of days. But I was surprised to see that NATO, while they agreed that it was a very important thing to do, they agree fully.

Nobody said, oh, you shouldn't do it. They would have had a nuclear weapon within one month of when we had the B-2 bombers bombed the nuclear potential. I call it the nuclear dust.

So I think NATO is making a very foolish mistake. And I've long said that, you know, I wonder whether or not NATO would ever be there for us.

So this is a, this was a great test because we don't need them, but they should have been there. The other thing is, and I think, you know, very important, we didn't have to be there for Ukraine.

Biden chose to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine. And I guess the head of Germany just made a statement that, well, they weren't involved and they have nothing to do with the war.

But at the same time, they think we did a great thing by knocking them out. Nobody wants to have, nobody wants to have a ran or anybody, but nobody wants to have a ran with the nuclear. Because these people are crazy.

I don't know about you, but it sort of frustrates me too that NATO is not there. Why not? What is wrong with these people?

Well, there's a lot there. First of all, I'm careful to make sure that I don't catch this as a question of NATO as an organization per se, because NATO is an organization dedicated to the defense of Western Europe.

And to me, this is more about maybe aligned European allies that should, or yeah, they should be a part of this and they should have been from the start.

Because that gets NATO out of it, because guess what? We are NATO.

Yeah, we're part of that alliance. So we're complaining about ourselves.

And I know that might be a nuance in many years, but you know, from the defense world and the diplomacy world, it kind of sticks out as like what you guys are NATO.

And that's also a bit of a problem with the whole thing is because we prop it up.

But what I will say is the reason he's right in that, you know, asking for some minesweepers or some other assets from France, Germany, the United Kingdom and other nations, well, they should be there because guess what?

They get more of their oil and energy supplies from the Persian Gulf than we do. Guess who else should be there? Well, India, I mean, most of those supplies out of the Persian Gulf go to Asia.

Japan is in Asia. Oh, yeah. And they should have a very vested interest. And I know Japan has made some statements about helping, but you know, we'll see an action whether or not the words meet the action or not.

But, you know, it's going to continue to be a problem. But here's one of the main concerns. And this, this is my collecting information from my veterans network that runs through a number of European nations.

And that is the fact that they've got anywhere between six and eight percent, depending on the country, you're looking at of their populations now have been taken over by many of the radical Islamic philosophy people that you are dealing with in Iran.

And so if they send their capabilities into the Middle East, well, these people in London and Berlin and Paris might erupt because now you're doing something against the Islamic people who they may rise up and be in those countries.

And so I've had people kick back that argument and say, well, it's only like six percent or eight percent. I'm like, okay, let's do the math.

Yeah.

You know, what is, let's just say five percent, what's five percent of three hundred and sixty million people in the United States?

And then compare it to the summer of love and the Black Lives Matter and all that kind of stuff and the damage they did into those numbers.

Well, you know, 18 million people, five percent of three hundred and sixty million can do a lot of damage if they're completely bent on violence and, oh, by the way, many of them are think it's a promotion to die.

Well, these European nations know this.

Their leadership is weak.

Intentionally weak from Macron to starmer, you name it.

And so they're going to say what they have to say, but I seriously doubt they're ever going to actually do anything of value when they're going to let us just ride this thing out and try to be the beneficiaries.

Well, we know how that works.

Remember how we went into Iraq and we were going to become a predominant, no, importer of their oil.

Well, that didn't happen.

We tend to be the world police and everybody else benefits.

And that's what's got people frustrated and rightfully so.

Yeah.

And people want to pull back and, you know, just worry about America and America first.

I make the argument that what is going on in Iran is America first.

And it's really hard for me to see it any other way because what Donald Trump is doing in the US military is they're preventing more American deaths.

Over 1000 Americans have been killed since 1979.

You've mentioned that that that's when Iran declared war.

Over 1000 Americans, civilian and military have been killed.

That, you know, 2900 or so in 911, 2996, I think the number was 2400 in Pearl Harbor.

And the next one is the deaths of Americans to the Iranians.

And that is an imminent threat in my opinion.

And I think if you don't clean that up right now, if Donald Trump doesn't do it, no other president is ever going to do it.

Biden, Obama, they did appeasement with Iran.

And Donald Trump is going to have to do it.

And you look at the Abraham Accords and what it has done in bringing an alliance with Israel and the other Gulf Arab nations.

And then you pay attention over the last couple of years since October 7th, how these other nations, they haven't gotten involved at all.

That's how you know that this thing was never going to escalate to other countries.

Now Iran has tried.

They tried to draw them in, but they have abstained from doing anything.

They're letting America and Israel continue to do the work just like they have over the last two years with Hisbola and Lebanon, Hamas and Gaza and Donald Trump bombing the Houthis and Yemen.

And I think that's the right answer is, you know, we recognize the threat to our friends and cutter in the UAE.

And the Gulf Cooperation Council states that are throughout there who've been bullied and intimidated by Iran for good reasons.

And you know, we can look at them in the eye and say, hey, listen, you know what, you're going to get attacked by drones or some missiles that some are going to get through and you're going to suffer something.

I don't know what it is.

But the worst thing you can do is get involved in a way that actually makes this mission more hazardous.

And because we're not used to working necessarily with some of these countries militarily.

Some of the best thing they can do is defend their airspace and generally not get in the way.

And that's actually helping us and I agree with you that this is America first isn't America only America first isn't only within our borders.

It's okay.

Let's identify the correct threat.

Let's identify what they're trying to do.

And then let's say you know what protecting America is America first, regardless of where the threat comes.

Because if you think you're immediate neighbors on your left and right of your house or the only ones that can threaten you.

When it's the guy five houses down who's trying to poison your home and send people up against you.

Maybe then you should go remember that we are actually still a community of nations able to influence and are very connected to each to each other.

And a threat in Iran can manifest itself through I don't know drug addiction in the backyards of your communities.

And that's to me when we're talking casualties American casualties of Iran and what they've been exporting and you put it together with.

And willing nations to operate with them like China.

Now you're getting a better sense of the scope of what Iran's been involved in and what they're capable of doing through these networks these nexus of terrorism and drug addiction.

Because they're just trying to whittle at us from the inside too.

So 500,000 American casualties defend and they'll falls on China and by the way on Iran as part of that nexus.

I get the right perspective of scale on this.

And we haven't even broached the what I would call a biblical narrative to some of this too.

Yeah, well, you want it to get into that we can talk about it.

We sure can.

Let's talk about it right now.

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We are visiting with Lieutenant Colonel Darren gob tonight.

He was a flyer in the US military.

He was also a military planner and it's great to have him back tonight.

We've been talking about Iran this whole time and one thing I'd like to talk about is the fact that we're in biblical times.

You know, some people think the Bible, well, it's old historical book and it was well, we're somewhere between Genesis and Revelation.

If you know anything about the Bible, you know what happens in Revelation.

That's the end we haven't gotten to that as someone who believes in the Bible.

I believe the words of the Bible. I believe it is inspired by the Holy Spirit coming from God.

That's why I believe and I believe that Lieutenant Darren gob is the same way.

Lieutenant Colonel Darren gob is the same way.

So let's have a little conversation here as we end this hour about where all of this fits into the world from a biblical view.

Yeah, and I think the first thing is to say that everything is biblical times it always has been and always will be.

And then go back to, okay, we are not to know the day or the hour of Christ's return and we can certainly do our best to read the seasons, although it's unhealthy to dwell on them.

Can we come up with an argument as to why this could be leading that direction? Of course we could.

I read many of books though from 1918 and even earlier that they were making an argument for a while the times of Revelation were just around the corner then.

But when you look at this, I mean, there's a connection and there's a very clear biblical connection to those who study it.

I'm teaching the book of Joshua right now and we're going to go into some of the more of the Old Testament and.

I've taught the book of Daniel many times and I go to all these sources.

I think of Cyrus the great who sent the Jewish people back to their homeland to rebuild Jerusalem.

The connections between throughout the Middle East from.

Including Alexander the great to Darius the means to the Persians to all of this.

And I see the potential for what is happening with the Abraham Accords potentially settling this conflict with Iran as well into the into the future that you have a coming piece in the Middle East.

That could set the conditions and those things that we could be looking for.

That could bring on the events of the book of Revelation. Absolutely it could.

But then again, it might not.

Right. And we should all live our lives like to ignore it.

Yeah. And we should all live our lives like tomorrow's our last anyway or today is.

Yeah. And so it really doesn't matter.

But I think it is important to take a look at the Bible and the prophecy that's in there and try to figure out exactly.

Maybe are we looking at this right now?

And I would say, you know, you mentioned back a hundred years ago, it's almost every war. World War One, World War Two.

Everybody goes to the Bible and they start looking for answers. Is this the end?

And the apostles also asked Jesus the same question.

And it was him that responded that you'll see wars and earthquakes.

And he says, but those will just be the birthing of pains.

So that's just the beginning of labor, which means even then there's a long way to go in this world that's, you know, a very old world with a lot of history in it.

And we're still living it right now.

I looked back to the book of the Zachariah recently because he was also a prophet in the Old Testament.

And Daniel loved Daniel. If you really want to understand revelation, you have to understand Daniel because that is mostly what John was referencing in Revelation.

So please do some homework on that and learn about Daniel and then maybe Revelation will make a little bit more sense to you.

But if you go back to Zachariah and he was a prophet, he said that all of the nations will turn against Israel.

Of course, America is a nation. And I think it's important also to study it from the perspective.

These are, I have no problem with people being against Netanyahu or Israel as a government and a nation.

I have a little bit different perspective on that.

So at some point, every nation is going to turn against Israel.

So the question is, what is Israel? And you and I were sharing some chats back and forth on text.

And I think Paul addressed this in Romans 11 when he said that the 12 bad branches were ripped off an olive tree and 12 were grafted into it.

The 12 representing the Gentiles, the 12 apostles, while the 12 bad branches were the unbelievers of the Jews.

The first church was Jewish people. There are still Jewish believers today.

And together we are Israel. We are God's chosen people. We are the believers in Jesus Christ.

So we are Israel as God's people.

Yeah. And I think it's also, it's important to remind people how much of the Old Testament points to what's happening now in general.

And I'll give him, and this is the reason why I point to the book of Daniel and the study of the 70 weeks in the book of Daniel.

And the math has been done and I've done it myself, just to double check things.

And the prophecies of the book of Daniel, that reason that resulted in or pointed to the reestablishment of the nation of Israel back on their homeland, got it right to the day.

To April 6, 1948 from the day of the writing inside of the book of Daniel during the 70, 70 years of exile.

It was made quite clear. So the people occupying Israel.

God, you know, God's not surprised by anything, right?

Yeah.

It was coming and he even gave us the parts of the Old Testament to point to exactly when this was going to happen and it did.

We shouldn't be surprised anymore by these kinds of things, but it is fascinating always to see the intimate accuracy of the predictions and prophecies of God.

Because that's just who he is.

And I think we should very much tread lightly in the whole, you know, the newfangled idea or maybe it's just the same old idea reframed of talking about Israel and you know, everything is, you know, the scientists fault and all this kind of stuff.

Well, you know, they are where they're supposed to be. It was prophesied that they would be there and so be it.

And they're there in the book of Revelation. And that's the only name. It's the only nation actually mentioned.

Yeah.

So who where are the rest of?

No, we may never know until the very end of where there to see it.

Again, we can't figure that we don't know that part. Anybody who says they do know that part. Obviously, I never actually read the warnings in the Bible about not trying to get that figured out.

Yeah.

It is more important to just be ready to go anytime.

I agree.

Yeah, I have said this before.

I've said this before on the show, Darren, that I believe that I was living in my end times from the moment I took my first breath.

We live what 70, 75 years.

It's not not long considering how old this world is.

So I think we always live that way.

I'm not fearful of the end.

I look forward to the end. I just think it's a different perspective to look at all of these things that are going on in the world.

You look at the new world order. And this is what really made me think about Zachariah prophesying that all nations would turn against Israel.

And please keep in mind, too, if you're listening to this, maybe you don't know.

But Israel was actually two things.

There was a northern kingdom and a southern kingdom in the Bible.

So keep that in mind if you don't know about that.

Go study it on your own.

But America becoming part of the new world order.

You know, when Mark Carney of Canada back in January, he says that they align with China in every way in this new world order.

And we know what the world economic forum they want, a new world order with China's government as the model for it in surveillance and all the other things.

And I start wondering about it.

Then maybe by 2030, depending on who wins the presidency, maybe not.

Maybe it is true that we have two wings and one bird.

And it really doesn't matter.

We end up in a new world order ourselves.

And scripturally, that would kind of go along with what Zachariah was saying that all nations would turn against Israel.

Well, it's certainly possible.

And there's a lot of other things that I mean, I guess there's an infinite amount of detail of people wanted to go into it to research it for themselves.

But you know, I look at things like who's capable of mounting a 200 million person army that you see mentioned in the book of Revelation.

Well, only China is capable of that.

And then you look at the history behind the language of the words gog and may gog that are written in there as far as locations.

And you start seeing how that aligns with Moscow and other regions throughout Western Russia.

And it's just, you know, it's it's valuable to keep an eye on all of this to an extent.

And what I've taught people in the in my studies.

And there's a lead classes through the people of this book like Joshua and others is.

The message of all of that is not that we should be sitting here with our chess pieces and trying to figure out what day is it going to be.

It's the fact that God keeps his promises regardless of what we do.

As will will be fulfilled his intent for what's going to happen will happen regardless of us.

And I'm glad you mentioned the northern and southern kingdoms of what happened in well, what became Israel in the north and Judah to the south.

The reason why Israel Israelites got carted off to a Syria in 722 BC was because they rebelled against God.

And that's when it's not so good to be God's chosen nation because he gave them very strict commandments of what they were supposed to do and they didn't follow them.

And they were more than once.

The difference between Israel and Judah. Well, Judah, the southern kingdom.

They had at least eight kings who were pretty good and followed in the lines with the will of God, but eventually 586 bees.

Well, 605 in 586 BC.

They get carted off the Babylon. Now Iraq.

Well.

And then you quickly realize that sometimes it's not so special to be the chosen nation of God when you're disobedient.

Life gets a little challenging. So reading through the Bible and looking at the current events and realizing why Israel is what it is, why the Middle East looks like it does and what it has the potential to be.

When you have a biblical world view of things.

There's no stress on any of this.

You realize who's in charge.

Yeah. Amen.

Perfectly stated.

Lieutenant Colonel Daringob is his name.

We're about to end this hour. I've enjoyed the conversation every bit of it.

I want to wrap this up.

You mentioned the will of God.

What is the will of God here in this that we're seeing right now in Iran?

I know you can't really answer, but if you could with your background in knowing scripture and as a military planner, where's this going?

Oh, boy, man, if I knew that.

There's a lot of things we could do with that kind of foresight, but you know, it's.

I am reminded of a book series or a book I read a long time ago by an author by the name of Tim Lahey.

And it was titled The Coming Peace in the Middle East.

And it laid out a bunch of stuff about what the Middle East could look like in a peaceful environment.

What that could lead to for the nation of Israel.

You know, who really, really knows only God does.

But when I see the Abraham Accords, I see these alliances potentially coming together, these are these various nations.

And the opportunity to crack open the nation of Iran again and let the light shine in there once more.

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty easy to make an argument why this could very well and easily be the season.

I mean, there's a lot of other things that lead up to what happens in the book of Revelation, whether it be 10, 15 years, whatever that number is.

Yeah, or a hundred.

Or a hundred.

Yeah, it could be.

We needn't fear it.

No, not at all.

We should be happy where we are.

We should enjoy our lives and do the best we can every day to do what Jesus told us to do, which was God to love God with all of our heart and love our neighbor.

Just like that.

You're supposed to love your neighbor any differently.

Just like you love God, you're supposed to love your neighbor.

I think some people, you know, forget that sometimes.

That's how simple Jesus tried to make it with his words in telling us what to do.

Darren, I know you have a book.

I want you to tell everybody the name of the book where they can go get it before we get finished here.

Well, yeah, thanks for that opportunity.

The name of the book is called Veritas Vincent.

It stands for Truth prevails.

83 different essays on a number of topics about faith, family, freedom, military diplomacy, international relations.

You name it.

It's all there.

Three to five page essays or so.

You can find it on Barnes and Noble.

You can find it on Amazon.

And if people reach out to me or sometimes people send it to my house and I'll sign it and mail it back to them.

If they figure out a way to get to hold me like that, I'm happy to do it.

I've done the same thing.

I sometimes people send me $7.

So I don't have to pay for it.

It's up.

It's up to them.

I accept it if they send it.

If they don't send it, then this is not about a profit adventure.

Otherwise, I'd be very disappointed.

I understand.

I do understand that.

I would love everybody to read my book if I could give them all away, but I can't afford that either.

Darren, thank you so much.

His name is Lieutenant Darren Gobb.

Lieutenant Colonel.

I'm sorry.

I keep you going.

I'm sorry.

I keep leaving that off.

Retired Lieutenant Colonel Darren Gobb.

We'll look for him on Fox News, News Max, all over the place.

I see you everywhere.

But thank you so much, Darren, for joining us.

Thanks, Booker.

Good to join you.

And tomorrow, I should say, coming soon, I guess you could say, Falcon Focus on Wednesday morning will be my next.

Congratulations.

They're going to have me on for the whole hour, off and on.

That's great.

Well, I'll look for you there.

Everybody else will look for you there.

And don't forget that you were told 2,000 years ago that you are the salt of the earth.

And salt without flavor, it has no value.

So whatever you do, keep being salty.

Have a great night.

There is only one truth.

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