Aligning Your Home and Life with Feng Shui (with Danijela Saponjic)

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1:02And I'm your host, Nicole Bigley. Join me every Wednesday as I dispel the mist behind magic and lore. Welcome to a psychic story. Hi, psychic listeners. Today's guest is someone who works with energy in a way many people don't immediately think about through the spaces we live in. She originally studied business administration before experiencing a turning point that led her into the world of Feng Shui, energy work, and spatial transformation. For more than 20 years, she has guided private clients, entrepreneurs, and global leaders in transforming homes and workspaces, so their environments support clarity, alignment, and growth. Her work goes beyond design or placement and into the deeper layers of energy, memory, identity, and the future self,

2:03exploring how our environments quietly shape who we are becoming. This is the story of Daniela Shapanich. Welcome to a psychic story, Daniela. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited and honored to be here. When you hear the word psychic, Daniela, what does it mean to you? For me, it's the ability to connect to the unseen. And what's the unseen for you? So for me personally, it's, of course, the energy, not only of space, but also the energy of our Earth, of the land. There we live on because every space is built on land, and the land energy is also influencing us. And when this door opened, that I was able to recognize and use my gift of communicating not only with space, but also with the land and the sea into the past, this is the completely unseen, but so impactful energy, which is influencing us all the time. Yes, and I didn't have the words for this

3:04when I was a child and younger, and of course growing up, and psychic can be a loaded term for many people even today. And the best way that I feel in my bones that it is for me is about reading energy, understanding energy and how it works. And to me, that brings a much broader way to understand psychic, whether that's psychic abilities, intuition, all the things. So I'm excited to dive in here more with you about that. So do you consider yourself psychic? And if so, how does that show up in your work in everyday life? Because we are going to be talking more about Feng Shui and what it is you do. But so would you say that you're psychic? Well, yes, I have never used the word. I don't know, maybe it's a language thing because my mother tongue is German and Serbian. But yes, I would say yes, absolutely. And how I use it? Well, it's not something I decide to use. It's just always there. It's just like a language. And it's just there.

4:06Now, you said German and Serbian. So what are some terminology or words that would closely be closer to psychic? So very often, we do use spirituality or indeed saying read energy. Or sometimes just say the intuition. So intuitively, we can see or when I connect to the earth, I can sense and talk to read the energy. So it's more like somebody who's reading energy, which is a description of psychic again. So I guess, well, no, it's just always fascinating to me. Because I honestly haven't really thought in depth about other languages and that terminology. But I do also feel in my experience in this work for several years now is that there is, I don't see a better understanding, but it seems that other cultures embrace energy reading, whatever you want to call that, more openly than even the US and in America. So I don't know if you feel that way with where you live.

5:06Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I just feel since I've been my bus born in Germany, so I'm very connected to Germany as well. But originally, I'm from the Balkans. And the Balkans, when you dive deeper into the past, they're very intuitive. And well, we could use the word psychic or spiritual people who are very much connected to some sort, in a some way, to magic. So, and then I started exploring this. I'm the only one in my family who is doing such work. And I was like, well, but there are the roots. So I was connecting to my grandmother and, you know, just remembering when I was a child, how she would, you know, just be connected. They were living in a village. And they had a lot of land and a lot of animals. And everything was always so peaceful. And she was so peaceful. And I was like, well, how can it come that I'm so stressed?

6:08And she was so peaceful standing in her power. So, well, along so short, this is where I found my connection to spirituality in a very different way. And I do want to definitely talk about that here more in a little bit. But when you were talking about reading energy, how do you personally sense or read energy? And that can be, you know, take your time here to explain this, but through space, through your body, through intuitive knowing, or in other ways. So, for me, it's about hearing. I can hear. I'm not a seeer in a way that I look in the space and I see something. I hear it. And after I hear it, when I close my eyes, I see what's happening. So, for example, if there is a slot of land which needs to be healed, I would connect to the soul of the space or also to the land and say, okay, what has happened here that the energy is as it is? And then I would just sit with this question

7:09and then I would hear and I would close my eyes and I would hear and then I would see what has happened. I would really like watching a movie, I would see what is happening. And then it would be like, okay, this is a scene, this is what happened. And then sometimes they get also the time when it happened, sometimes not, but it's not so important. And they're like, okay, good, anything else. And then it goes blank. And then I would say, okay, what else? And I would ask, what else? And then the scenes would just change. And it's so fascinating. And I honestly have to, I'm working with this for 20 years, so with Fouchewe and also with Space Healing. And sometimes, I'm just like Daniela. What are you, like? I don't want to say that I'm doubting, but it's like, I don't know. It was like so, so fascinating. And then every time I would ask myself, like, is this true or I'm not calling it doubt, because it's not that I'm doubting. It's just maybe questioning is the right word.

8:10Call the fest and the most fascinating thing is when I would go to my clients and tell them what I've seen. They were like, yeah, yeah, we know that. Or they would go and look into archives and talk to their relatives. They would come back and say, oh, yes, that's right. It's right what you saw. So it's really fascinating how the universe or I called them the masses of life, my guidance, how they work. Every time I would question something, they'll be like, oh, Daniela, don't. And I love how you say that because even, I think people out there often are like, oh, well Nicole, if you do this, you don't question things or Daniela doesn't question things. There are still programming and societal quote-unquote norms that get on our head. And also, I don't know if you find this, but sometimes things are so fantastical and amazing that I'm like, it's not that to your point, doubt, but you're like, wow, how can that be? But then the validation and the confirmation comes and it just universe, God, universe, source, whatever you want to call it,

9:10brings that to the forefront in such a magical way to prove to us that that magic exists like you were saying. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And this is so fascinating. And then I do really honor the gift of seeing and hearing. And for people that are familiar with the Claire's rather, that would be more you hear Claire audiently, you see Claire voyantly, I've been talking a lot more about that within my membership group and also on the podcast just as people are learning along the way here. So let's, you originally studied business administration before shifting into Feng Shui and energy work. So how did you make that shift? What was happening in your life at that time that opened you to something totally different? Yeah, oh, that's such a fascinating story. And I have never been a child who was seeing energy

10:15or seeing something or sensing something. Never, I have never thought about, oh, I want to work with space or never. I, since I can remember, I wanted to work in marketing. This, that this was it. So I planned out, mapped out my life very neatly. And when I finished my studies, I was married. I had, we had our first child. And I was planning to become a matter while I was at university. So this would be done, right? I am taking care of family first step. Now I can focus on my career. But then I was 26 and the company didn't want me. They were like, you're young, you're married, you're a mom. Well, well, no, you know, we have, we have so many others to choose from. So, and then I was, I was so, I was, it was a feeling of being shocked and frustrated and questioning everything. And I'm somebody who cannot sit still. I am just very active. And then instead of taking time

11:16and thinking about it or letting it happen, I told my husband, well, I'm going to, going to work at a fast restaurant. And he's like, are you crazy? Like, you wouldn't, so it doesn't matter. So I went there and I guess I went there just to be able to, at some point, see a magazine, which was laid out somewhere. And while I was working, while I was having a break and they were talking about, if you change something into space, you change something in your energy field. And I couldn't believe it. So I, I was even laughing at it. Like, what are really selling me on? It's just, so, and things didn't get better. And they told my husband at some point, let's just do this decluttering thing. So, I mean, it cannot hurt. But I doubt we have, we have clutter. Like, our apartment is so neat. But while we did have a lot of clutter and after we released this, after one weekend, two things shifted. So we were approved for a bigger apartment at a much nicer area of the city. And we got some government payment

12:17we were waiting for, I don't know, six months. And then it can be coincidence, but I do not believe in, I didn't believe in coincidences suspect then either. And I told my husband that something behind it. So I dove deeper into clutter clearing. This led me to Feng Shui. And then I bought this book, a complete idiot's guide to Feng Shui, the book's book ever. And so, and I was, you know, doing Feng Shui for us and for my parents. And then I told my husband, can you imagine me doing this for somebody else and making money with this? And he said, well, why don't you try? So this is what I did. And everybody said, oh, then yellow, new career, why don't you, you know, get a job, you know, earn some, make some money. And I was like, no, no. So this was a start with only 26. And I have to say, I have never mapped out my, my business ever again. Everything would came into my life that I'm certifying people for the last 12 years. I've built a global business. Everything you call, I have never set down

13:20at the beginning and I said, oh, my God, I want my business to look like this someday. I was always going like, oh, I want to do consultations. That's it. And then taking the next step and the next step and all those steps happened because I called the masters of life, my guidance. They would say it would bring you opportunities. People would come and ask, and yellow, are you certifying students? And I'm like, no, I need, oh, my God, of course not. And then I would have 10 emails asking me the same question. And my mentor would be like, I guess you should start certifying, so this is, and this is how everything happened. Oh, so many beautiful things that you said and the things that stood out to me from that as well are that one, you had such strong conviction. So you had that conviction and you trusted it. And there are so many out there that don't and they hold themselves back. And then two is that you said the next step and the next step and the next step.

14:21We often really want that bigger picture and have everything figured out. And that's not life. We don't always have everything figured out. And my guides and angels, by the way, I love how you said masters of life. I'm going to borrow that in the future. So I call my spirit team. But they will show me, it's like a game of chess. So when you move one piece on the board, that's when universe starts to meet you and realign your life. So there are many, many billions of outcomes that you can have within your life. So if you are always waiting for everything to be quote unquote planned, you're almost always going to be in a holding pattern. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And there are two things which really impacted me a lot in this way of thinking. The first thing is that I have learned that planning is some kind of control and control kills magic. So this is one thing and then the other one is when I get really, really focused on something and I switch into control, right?

15:22I want to get it done. I want, and then I would hear the voice saying, then you can get everything what you want but not when you want it and how you want it. And I'm like, oh, OK, sorry. My guides and angels have also said it's trust and know with complete faith that things are going to work out or it will happen and you will move forward and forget the how and when. Forget the how and when. And that as human beings can be very difficult when you're waiting and or wanting and or even needing. So I hear you. OK, so before we go deeper, I want to pause and ground us here because we've used the term Feng Shui. And maybe not everybody understands what that is. What is Feng Shui in your own words? So for me, Feng Shui is a philosophy of life. Very often you would hear it's about moving furniture, it's about guiding energy through space, it's about activating life areas. Yes, it is also, but it's a philosophy of life.

16:24It's about how does the flow of life unfold in your space? And because the space has so much more impact in our lives because it's so much more bigger, it does shape our lives. And this is something which I have experienced in my 20 plus years of doing this work is that we can want things to happen as much as we want. But if our space is not in tune with this vision, it's going to be really hard. And this is how I explain Feng Shui. Feng Shui is basically connecting you with your vision, with your life path, whatever you want to call it, however you want to call it, with your space. Because this is, this connection has been forgotten or not embraced, although it's been around for over 5,000 years. And let me just say this, one of my students, a few years ago, she asked me like, then yellow, but how can I prove that Feng Shui works?

17:25And I said, you don't need to prove. It's been around for at least 5,000 years. And if it wouldn't work, it would not be around. It would have disappeared by now. And so when I was in Egypt, I went in the fall of last year. And I've been there before, and that was different. That was a completely different type of trip. This one was more of a pilgrimage. And so I went into it with eyes wide open in a completely new way. And what really floored me was all of the sacred spaces, not only how they built things, but also, I could visually see in my mind's eye how it would have been decorated or what they would have used for enhancement of that space. And it got me thinking, you don't have to go to these places to be in a sacred space and or to experience the connection or the magic and the activation that happens within those areas. You can create that in your own home and create your own sacred space to align,

18:26as you were mentioning, with whatever your vision is or your life, and it got me thinking about what I refer to as spiritual living. And then my guides and angels kept saying, many people live in their lives and their homes are an external reflection of what's happening internally. So I'm sure you're the expert here, which is why I have you. So can you maybe talk a little bit about that? And I can think of quite a few people in my own personal life that their homes are very cluttered and disorganized, yet their outward appearance shows something completely different and then their lives are just in shambles. Yeah, thank you for saying this. But yes, I mean, when you look at Feng Shui, I've been studying with Taoistic masters that's where Feng Shui is rooted in the Taoism, that I have also started with the memos from Columbia, for example, with the earth keepers. And I was so delighted to experience that their teaching is not the same,

19:28but it's rooted in the same philosophy of life as Feng Shui, as the healing practices. So you just talked about Egypt and one part of Feng Shui, the so-called form school, is something we would do intuitively. We would, so you can experience it everywhere. So that's what I say, Feng Shui is not esoteric, it's highly spiritual, and it's also connected to logical and intuitive thinking, the way how we would intuitively sit, how we wouldn't intuitively build. Human is not designed to live in a space out of made of glass, because our subconscious is just on high alert, because glass is not stability. And we need to feel safe to do anything in our lives, no matter what it is, but glass is not giving us stability. So what I experience, businesses, or people who live in high rises with a lot of glass,

20:29they so focused on security sometimes, that it's not logical, it's so we would say, oh, it's too much. Why do we focus so much on security? You lead a secure life, but it's like something's missing. And this is, that can be caused by a home, and the interesting thing is, really when I go for a consultation, the inhabitants, they don't even need to tell me so much, because the space is telling me everything. I can, you know, that's when you start reading, not only the energy of the space, but the layout, and everything Feng Shui is bringing to us. And here is not only my explanation, but how everybody will understand why Feng Shui, or why the space is so important. So in the Taoistic teachings, there are the sacred trinity, and the sacred trinity is the heaven slack, the human slack in the earth slack. So the heaven slack is, there are so many perspectives on looking at it. I'm going to share two with you. The first one is heaven slack is the lack,

21:31where you're like, oh, I got so lucky. Something just fell into my lap. I didn't even work for it. Like you win on the lottery. That's heaven slack. It's just, so the human slack is a human connection. It's when you meet somebody, or you have great relationships, and the earth slack is the connection with mother earth. It's being grounded. So this is one of the perspectives. Another one is the human slack, and this is what blew my mind honestly, when I connected those dots. So the heaven slack is everything what heaven gave us when we decided to enter the world. So astrology, any kind, human is lying. Whatever you would analyze on your astrological chart or date of birth, heaven slack. Then we have human slack. That's the human that his or her free will. So when somebody tells me, oh, Daniela, you shouldn't do it. I'm like, well, my intuition tells me I should. Then I challenge my heaven slack a little bit sometimes. So that's the free hour creation,

22:32hour co-creation that the universe had everything. And the earth slack is our space. This is the everything lands, Nicole. And if our earth slack is not rooted and it's not a safe and strong container to hold our lives and to hold everything what we create as humans, we will feel like. So is our home, energy, and space human, luck or earth, luck is earth slack. I thought that, okay, just wanted to double check on that. And I also want to maybe get into some fundamentals of Feng Shui from your perspective on what those could be. But before we do that, what do you feel is most understood about Feng Shui? Most understood is I do think the principle of the flow. So this is, Feng Shui is based in, it's not based on clatter clearing, but clatter clearing is the first step to be able to use Feng Shui because first we need to create space so that the Chi, the life force energy is able to flow.

23:33And this is something like everybody, I would say everybody understands who in any way engages with Feng Shui. And I think that's the most important thing because you can activate the stars and do like there are so many different aspects of Feng Shui. But if the Chi is not flowing, if we are not able to breathe because if you're constructed, we can have the best manicure, the best pedicure, the best whatever hair done, but you're not able to breathe. Okay, thank you very much. Yeah, about, I would say maybe 15, 20 years ago, right around probably when you were diving in deep and becoming an expert in this, I got a little, you know, dangerous on Feng Shui and it was primarily the directions, you know, the compass directions in the corners of your home and colors and all of that. And I remember going through clearing my home, doing the Feng Shui 101. And obviously you have upleveled it and you go in deeper than that. So if someone was wanting to not just clear their space

24:35and think about Feng Shui, what are some approaches that you would recommend that they take? Cause I know it's different than decoration design or even like fixing the space. Oh yeah, absolutely so. I love to give away, but everybody can do without going into studying Feng Shui. So the first thing after you have the cluttered the space and activated the energy so it can flow, you need to give the energy a direction. Because otherwise it's just like water flowing and it's, you know, flowing out of your space and you're like, oh yeah, so you experience, you experience this shift and things start to move and then they go back to normal and you're like, what happened? But you need to tell the life force energy, what do you want it to do? So this is, for example, if you use the Bagua, there are different types of Bagua, the Compass Bagua, the Three Door Bagua. This is the way where you can really think about what life area do I want to activate? So and I usually recommend not activating more

25:36than two life areas because otherwise, the energy is again flowing everywhere and you want to feel the extra energy shift in the life area you want to focus on. But what I have developed years ago is the concept of the palaces of life because honestly, I experience that my clients would be very confused and also my community with, oh my God, when I look at the Three Door Bagua at the relationship area is my toilet, do I need to know about? So they would start panicking about, oh, what do I do now? Feng Shui says it's bad and I don't know what to do. So we need to have our toilet somewhere, right? Because we're not prepared to go outside. So this is not today, maybe back in the day or? So when I develop the palaces of life, is I follow the natural energy manifestation in the space. So for example, the bedroom is the palace of love. It's very natural. So if I want to activate my relationship,

26:38I would look at my bedroom, is it balanced? Is it cozy or is it hard? Is it cold? So creating the feeling of love and relationship in my bedroom, then for example, the kitchen is the palace of vitality. So if I want to feel strong and healthy, how is my kitchen? Is it cluttered? What am I seeing in the kitchen? What is maybe showing me my vision of being healthy and vital? Then for example, the office, is it, how is it laid out because the office is connected to the abundance? Then for example, the living room or the dining room, the palace of communication, the palace of family, or of relationships, external relationships. And this is, when I started to teach this also my certifications, I felt that the people would, the tension would go out, away. Because they're like, this is so good. Because it's very natural to embrace the energy

27:41in the area of life where we already live in this energy. And I would imagine that each person is different as far as what they would feel and or want to express in those spaces. So what does comfort mean to one particular person? How does love express itself for you, whether that is through that bedroom and or, so there's different ways that people may feel with different colors or things of that nature. So I imagine that's also probably what you teach. Yeah, I mean, of course they are the calculations of the colors, of the cardinal directions. Everything is there. But you really need to study full-sweigh in order to really apply it adequately. But with the palaces or the baguette, I always say just forget about the colors for a moment but start connecting to yourself because it's intuition. Outforce. Yes, start connecting to yourself like, what does relationship mean to me? How do I want to express love and relationship in my space?

28:42So without giving directions and putting a corset around Feng Shui because this is not Feng Shui. Feng Shui is not here to tell us what's good, what's bad. It's here to show us opportunities. And you're missing this. Oh, that's bad about according to Feng Shui. There is no bad or it's not something bad or good about Feng Shui. It's about how do you feel about it? What's important to you? What's natural to you? And then what also helps you, I've connected the future self thing. I probably have heard about it there at the meditation and about experiencing the energy of your future self and using this connected to your space. So you express your future self in your space. So when you feel vital, for example, how does your kitchen look like? You don't need a new kitchen. Maybe it's, I don't know, more fruits or a certain color or a certain image. So what is for you the expression of vitality for a future self? And when we elevate the energy of our space

29:44to the frequency of where we want to go, this is just perfect Feng Shui. Can we talk a little bit more about that, the future self? Oh, absolutely. So I know, yeah, it's okay, cool. We let's do it. Because so I'll share if you don't mind my perspective and then I'd love to hear yours because language-wise it may be similar but we're using maybe different terminology. So from my standpoint, we have a soul and our higher self or our soul self is that part of our essence essentially that knows all. So it can experience and see past present future because time isn't linear are all of our lives that we live because I do believe in the multiverse and the universe and that perspective. And then so when we say our future self, again, my opinion and what my guides and angels have shown me is that is that future aspect of our self that we can tap into and we can connect with

30:47but maybe we're not experiencing it consciously or in this present moment. So whether that is through meditation or other aspects to connect, that is how we can tap into that future self. I've done timeline exercises where I've jumped into the future, connected and aligned with that future self but ultimately the reason I'm sharing this is it all letters back to our higher self. So that is kind of how I've been shown in seeing it and how I operate in my life from your standpoint, what's your perspective and when you say future self and then Feng Shui and the way that you teach people, how does that all fit into the mix? So I love how you have described it. So I'm not an expert on the future self technique but I've also done it and I love it. That's for example how unfolding space came to be. It was also, I was in a meditation connecting to my future self and in this moment the name unfolding space came to me

31:47and I was like, oh wow, that's perfect. And I was expecting the domain to be taken and it was all free and I was like, okay, thank you. This is when that works, is that the heaven lock? This is, I guess this is heaven. This is higher self and heaven's lock and everything putting magic together. So and then it got me thinking because creating vision boards, connecting to the future self, meditating, attuning into the frequency of our future in order to manifest and so on. And I mean, probably everybody has tried it and sometimes it works better, sometimes it doesn't. But then I'm very practical. I'm a mom of four, I lead a business. I live in two places at the same time. So it's very busy. So usually I wouldn't have a lot of time to meditate on my visions. And then I was like, what if my home would hold the frequency of my future self, of the, there I'm going,

32:51then no matter what happens in my everyday life, I'm always pulled up to the frequency by my home, consciously, unconsciously. It's just always tapping, every time I enter my home, I would tap into my future self. I would tap into the frequency of my future self. Or even just the other day I had a client, she created a vision board and then I told her, okay, look at your vision board, what's the frequency? And how can you bring the frequency into your home? Because then you don't have to look at your vision board the whole time, but maybe there is a little piece something and you place it in the kitchen or in the dining room. And every time when you look at this, this little something is going to trigger subconsciously your connection to your vision and you don't even have to think about it. And this is what fascinates me.

33:52Ryan Reynolds here from InMobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for $15 a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities, so do like I did and have one of your assistance assistants switch you to Mint Mobile today. I'm told it's super easy to do at mintmobile.com slash switch. Up front payment of $45 for three month plan equivalent to $15 per month required. Intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra, default terms at mintmobile.com. And so the way that you described that what I was hearing is your home then is also embodying the frequency or the energy of what you want to bring in. Oh, absolutely. So I do want to talk about me a little bit on this because this is right up your alley. I moved into a home that was built in the 1800s, not last year, the year before in the fall. Typical of me is that when I moved in, I had pretty much lived in newer places, newer builds

34:55when I had owned homes previously. This was the first time that it had history and it had more energetic connections, so to speak, I feel. Not that land still doesn't, but when they're newer homes and newer builds, I feel it takes a while to build that memory and that energy. But I share this because, and I'm curious about your perspective here, I started to do things right away to change up the home, you know, fix things lightly, but then also paint and do these things. And the house essentially rebelled. It was, I could notice that if I made this up, it was a joke, but it was pretty much the same thing, is that I would knock on one side of the home if I did if I was doing something that was fixing it. And then the other side of the house would just have a leak or there would be something where the two were not connected at all, but it was almost a stomino effect. So I tuned in energetically and I just heard, you know, I need to breathe. There's just too many changes. So I took a pause and I posted this on social media. I was like, I'm listening to my home soul and energy

35:56and I'm taking a pause and I'm going to do things slow and intentionally. And I'm going to communicate how and when and why I'm doing things. And it has been such a beautiful symbiotic relationship with my home since then. There's still a lot more work to do, but yeah, I just wanted to share that I didn't have it planned necessarily, but that was what was coming in and to it at least. I don't know if you have any perspectives about that. Oh, I love it. And just this is how it should be yesterday. I had clients here and they turned old railway station into something like a boarding house or a hotel. And she's like, well, it's not doing that well. And I told her, you know, a railway station is where people go to leave or arrive and leave and you have turned it into boarding house. So it's a completely different energy. And then also, as you have experienced every space as a soul and usually you would go in, it's like, it's my home because I bought it

36:56and I'm going to do all the changes and I'm going to do this. And the home is like, can you please ask me or let me know what's going on? So I can tune into the energy and then I can maybe support you and help you. And because the client yesterday, she told me she said, even it was old, non-renovated. It has had this energy. Now we made it so beautiful. And so we, it's so, we renovated it so thoughtfully. And now I have a feeling it closed the eyes. It shut the eyes. It's like, I don't want to see you. I don't want to see anybody. And she said, it's not shining. And I said, yes. Because the space is like, oh, no, what did they do to me? They didn't even ask. They didn't even tell me so. I told her to connect to just what you did, connect to the soul of the space, let him or her know what is going on, ask for permission, ask for protection, ask for guidance, and then listen and take the steps to reconnect to the space and change

37:59the energy. Oh, I love it. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So you also, you mentioned earlier, you developed your own methodology called space activation. I feel like we're a little bit in that, that right now. Can you explain and share what that looks like, or also how maybe people can take their own steps to create that relationship with their home and the space that they're in? Oh, yeah, absolutely. So the space activation piece, when I started talking about this term, I really thought it through what I could also have called it Feng Shui, right? Or the certification I'm leading in English is space activation with Feng Shui. So people asked me, why don't you just call it Feng Shui? Because it's space activation, I connected the most powerful part of Feng Shui, the form school, which we have talked about, how is the chief flowing, how we can direct the Chi and all these things. This is the first part and the second part is the healing aspect.

39:02And in a healing aspect, just an example, they are healing trauma points of a space. So now, imagine Nicole, everybody who's doing trauma healing, which is so important personally but then your whole home can also hold trauma points, maybe not even yours, but maybe from somebody who lived there years and years or ages ago. And then you feel triggered and you're like, well, I'm doing all this work. And when I go home, it comes back again, it comes back, yes, because the space is holding the trauma point. And this is just one one step of this whole process. When you transmute and relinqu the trauma point, then, oh my God, it clicks, right? So this is why I call it space activation because it's not only Feng Shui, it's not only healing, it's the connection of the most two most powerful aspects of both worlds. When you were talking, what was coming to mind and what my guides and angels reminded me about that I wanted to share is that this house, again, it's older.

40:06So there's a lot of different types of people who have lived here. There've been births, there's been deaths in this home. And I could feel this one woman's energy and so I did some research and I found very long story short that when she was here, she loved this house. She didn't have a lot of money, but she ended up winning the home in an auction, paid cash. The people at the time didn't think she had the money, but she did. So her whole life savings and work and she loved this home. Unfortunately, her son, who lived with her, put the home up for collateral and whatever business and or gambling he did, it went into the bank and the bank repossessed it. And when I tuned in, I saw her and then this was also proven by the research in this rocking chair and she refused to leave the chair and they had to literally pick her up and forcibly remove her from the home. And I could feel her energy and the screams and everything within that home. So when you say trauma, it's like, yes, whether something happened there again, there's a

41:09birth, there's death, there's real lives and living experiences that lead these imprints on our homes. And obviously mine is more of an extreme situation, an example. But again, whether you have a new build, an older home, there's also the land that has this energy. So when you talk about trauma and or activation and then that transmutation and release, what are some easy ways, if people aren't experts at this, that they can either tap in and or work with that energy so that they can use it, you know, and live symbiotically, I guess, within the other home spaces. Oh, so the first step is always to connect to your home, because your home is going to tell you what it needs from you. And I would love to share the meditation, we can, we can only get in the show notes. And it's really a process I have developed where you go into connection to your space. And then you would ask your space, okay, what is happening? What do you want me to do?

42:09How can I support you? What needs to be released? And your space is going to tell you basically what it needs from you. So and if it even shows you a trauma or now just you're talking and you intuitively say, oh my god, yeah, I feel there is a trauma point somewhere in my home. You can go and your palms carry your energy, right? This is basically how you're here. And we always, so I always talk about left turning and right turning energy and right turning energy is everything what gives us what it's activating our life force. It's, I'm trying not to say positive energy because this is also a lot of interpretation behind it. So right turning energy is enhancing left turning energy is draining. And trauma points are usually emotional drainers, obviously. So when you activate the energy of your hands and you just hold your hands over the trauma point and you then intuitively, you do need to know what you're saying, how it's connected. And then release the trauma point and then in front of your inner eye, you see how the

43:09I use sometimes the pendulum and then the pendulum is turning left. And then I heal and as long as it's turning left, I hold it like I do continue the healing. And at some point it's going to turn right. And the moment when it's turning right, you know, the trauma point is healed. It's a right turning field. And what's so important is to anchor the healing. So you tap three times with your foot or with your hands on this point to anchor your healing. It's when you have a wound and then the doctor would chew it, chew it. I hope it's the right one. So it will be a scar, but it's closed. And this is what you do when you take three times and you anchor your healing. So, but please do it for yourself. When you start doing it for other people, it's a lot of responsibility and different energy fields you're taking on. And I always ask everyone, please, if you want to do the work, get certified by an expert.

44:11So it's not only about knowing how to heal again, you're always safe to do it for ourselves because it's our home, our energy field. But the moment you go out, it's not only healing, it's about holding the energy, it's about protection, it's about permission. So this is the only request I have. Thank you very much for sharing that. And then real quick, too, are there essentially other tools that you like to use? So for me, in sense, of course, Clary Sage, which is an essential oil that I love to use. If you don't want to burn something in your home, I love selenite as well. Holy water is another thing. So are there certain things that you also use in terms of tools, or mainly through meditation and energy work? Do you primarily work? So at the stage, where I'm at, I'm a master of this, so I don't use a lot of tools anymore, but I do love it's a, it's for me, it's a way of connecting when I go through the space at sage.

45:11Or I have a huge singing bowl of upmade out of quartz crystal. And then when I work with the singing bowl, the sound, through the sound, I would sense if the energy is flowing or stuck. So this is also helping me. So I'd love to use bells and a certain bell in me's healing bell and the singing bowl. But then I worked with my aura, you know, I would sit and then expand my aura into the space, into every corner and then read the energy field, how am I feeling, why is this calm, why doesn't it feel good? And I would go with it and attention into this field and then see what's happening. This is, but in the beginning, if you, because my experience is, Nicole, I don't know how it's about you, your experience, it's not about just sensing the energy you're doing in a genetic work through meditation, it's holding the field and keeping your mind quiet. This is the biggest challenge for me and sometimes I'm saying, oh no, again, my mind is trying to write a grocery list and I go, okay, let's start it.

46:13Again, so this is why tools are so helpful because if we should, if we, like, go, go on on a trail with our attention, the tool is helping us to stay focused. So yeah, thank you for that. And then one other thing too, I feel led to share and then I want to move on to some other questions before we end here is that when I, and I've shared this before on the podcast, but this is new to you, when I first moved into this home, usually in the past, any new home I would move into, I would automatically clear it. And I would do that space clearing and energy work. And I heard and got a really strong no intuitively, not to do that. And so it took me months before I did do that on my own. And so I wanted to share that with everyone too. For me, the reason was is because there was definitely more spirits and other energy. I essentially have roommates and I think if I had done it without understanding the home and its energy and its space, I wouldn't have been able to respect everything else that

47:15was here. So sometimes when we come through as humans, we tend to be these bulldozers and just want to clear everything. And that's not the case. There's divine timing and order when it comes to, but also if you're ready for it yourself, like you were saying, we can hold that space on our own, our use our own or an energy, but also we need to be ready as well. So I just wanted to share that, I felt led. Your little one grew three inches overnight, adorable, also expensive. Sell their pint-sized pieces on D-Pop and list them in minutes with no selling fees. Because somewhere, a dad refuses to pay full price for the clothes his kid will outgrow tomorrow. And he's ready to buy your son's entire wardrobe right now. Are your future growth bird budget secured? Start selling on D-Pop where taste recognizes taste. Payment processing fees and boosting fees still apply. See website for details.

48:17So I want to talk about family boundaries and being a bridge because you mentioned that your husband has always been fully supportive of your work. What allow or what do you think allowed that level of openness and trust? Is there some people out there that maybe their partner isn't as understanding and or open? So it's great that you have that, but for you specifically, how did that unfold? Again, I've been led to choose the right communication. And I have to emphasize, I was only 26 when I started doing it. So there was not so much wisdom, it was more, just I want to do it. And then I remember my first feng shui class and it was dinner. And there was one lady and she was asking like, and she wasn't like an old feng shui consultant. So she already went through all certifications. And I was already married for, I think, let's see, seven years back then. And I was like, oh, and you married for seven years. And she's like, you know, your marriage won't last.

49:21Why would you say this? Well, if your husband doesn't do the certification as well, he will, you know, he will never understand you. And so she went off the trail. And then it got me thinking. And I said, my husband is not responsible to stay connected. I am because he is leading his normal life. And it's me choosing to take him with me on this path without putting, you know, the certifications would always be like seven days, troubling somewhere. And he had for seven days, he had just normal life. And then I come, this is what I always tell my students, please don't go home after seven days of certification work and this bubble. And then like throw everything at your family. Like you are now the one who knows everything and reading it. No, just be patient, step by step, check the readiness, share with excitement, not with rules, and then yeah, they will,

50:22they will out of curiosity and understanding follow you and support you. They are not less worth. They are just who they have chosen to be. And you have chosen to take a different path and that's perfect. And then just stay connected. And we've been married for 30 years by now. Oh, well, it's an amazing ride. Oh, yeah. That is a big misconception in spirituality and or living a spiritual life is we often think that our partners need to match us or be at that quote unquote same level or believe and do the same things we do. And I use this as an example in my membership a while back. And that is, you know, if I had a partner and that person was really into football and sports, like love, love them for that and they can be in it. But I have absolutely no interest. I will support them. But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to learn football inside it out and sit through every game or what have you. Because that's just not something that I'm interested in and or, you know, what have you.

51:24So I say that now, you know, it's in the future. But I know that it's like a silly example. But the point that you made is very valid in that it's not that we have to drag others along or we all have to be on the same page all the time. There is a there's an understanding and a level of support. But as far as they need to walk their own path as well. And what that looks like and you can absolutely have a strong relationship and partnership with someone even if they don't fully believe and live in the way that you do every step of every moment of every day. So you also have said that, you know, with other family members who don't really understand or engage with your work, you've chosen not to explain or convince them. How did you come to that understanding and how do you set that boundary? Feng Shui is not about convincing, not not even in in the business role. So if somebody tells me convinced me, I was like, well, let's talk about the better. I'm not going to because if somebody's curious and tell me more, that's a completely different different conversation.

52:25But then that my family except my husband and my brother and my sister-in-law, they were not interested. They didn't knew the Niala is doing something and you don't know what it is. It's something different and it was never like somebody asking me. I remember once my mother was planning her how to the interior design for her home and we were all sitting at the dining table and she was like, I have no idea who could help me do the interior design for my home and, you know, layout and everything. And I was like, well, I have no idea mom. Cook would help and she'd turn to my husband. Can you help me? And he's like, well, I can. So it's okay. I don't judge it. It's just okay. It gets back to the same. Not everybody needs to share my excitement for the energy work for Feng Shui. And they're not better or worse because they're just my, I don't know, friend or another business partner. It's absolutely fine.

53:27They're on their own path and they're experiencing things the way that they need to in those moments. You describe yourself as someone who bridges worlds. What does that mean to you? And how do you know when not to bring someone across that bridge? So I have found this when I was asking myself, well, Daniela, why did you go to university and study business administration and marketing? And then you end up doing this, this work a lot of times in the past, I would say, well, I could have not gone to university. I could have saved some time, precious time. But then I understood, again, the masters of life, when everything came together, I understood how important it is for me that I speak the business language and then also the spiritual language. And very often, especially businesses would book me for consultations because they're like, oh, you studied business administration. So we believe you're somebody who's connected to, I don't know how you say it in English,

54:29but there's like your credibility. Yes. And you're standing with both feet on the floor and you're not going to sell us some woo-woo how they always say, probably because... Mambao jumbo. So and then, and it's also my ability to explain, Feng Shui and energy into a very, for the left side brain and then also bring them to the feeling of the right side. I always see this in my certifications when people come in, of course, they're interested in Feng Shui and want to learn, that's why they sign up. But usually they're leading with their mind. And I always tell them, you are going to experience the full power of Feng Shui and energy work when we descend from the mind to the heart. And I'm going to take you on this journey and everybody descends. Everybody gets into the heart because this is how they can really, really understand what's behind Feng Shui and not checking off our to-do list, but really working with energy.

55:29And wow, this is how I know that I'm here to bridge the world. And if you also ask when not to do it, this is when I descend and feel that the mind is still too strong, then it's not to ride timing. Again, it's nothing wrong with it, but it's just not to ride timing. So that programming and or that logic, that logical mind that kind of is an unintentional block can be your, as you mentioned earlier, and to your point, it's not your job to convince people. So why even bother going there and trying to force somebody into it? And the other thing I heard intuitively when you were talking is your time is never wasted. So if people think, oh my gosh, I spent 50 years in corporate America. And now I'm about to retire. I'm not quite there yet, but I want to pivot all of that real world, real world experience that you had leading up into that point was your soul's higher self and path and design for you to have that experience to apply it in some way, shape or form.

56:34I always joke, but it's true. When I went to college and undergrad, I almost actually wasn't an attorney. Thank God I didn't go in that direction. But my point is that when I was an undergrad, I thought, well, I communicate with angels and I do all these things. What? But there's not a Harry Potter school for this right now. So what do I go into? I was like, I'll just go into human communication, I guess, and be communicator with humans by day and psychically by night type of thing. But I didn't have a plan to make this pivot and shift. So I share that because obviously, again, that real world experience, as you mentioned, with your business administration makes it, makes it helpful for you to come from a place of groundedness, but also people are like, ah, I can see her perspective. I can see her point and be that bridge. And so thank you for sharing that. Okay, before we wrap, I did want to spend a little bit more time on land, memory and space healing. They feel like that's important and we didn't have a chance to dive into that. And you talk about homes in land, holding that memory beyond the people that

57:35live there now. We discussed that a little bit. How does that past energy show up in a space? What are some things that people would experience so that they know? All right, there's energy and I need to clear it. So I'm just a very simple example is people live and die. And when they die, there is a cemetery. And cemeteries are usually not fully released when humanity moves. Maybe now, but the past year, thousands of years and the past, they wouldn't. It would just a cemetery would disappear and then they would be a building. And then, you know, people would forget. And my experience is when a house is, of course, nobody's going to build a house in a cemetery, but what if they don't know? That's a question. And it can be even, there is a cemetery energy. We don't only talk about having entities or guests in our home. It's also, it can not own, I don't want to say cause because there is the human soul and the

58:39human body with the DNA and so many things, but it can also support that energy, which is already there of depression because it's heavy and it's drawing and it's left turning energy. So, and it can make happy people not so happy or heavy because there is this heaviness in the home. So, this is how it express itself or sometimes it can be tension, a lot of tension in the space in the home. Like when, when you're on holiday, everything is great. Then we go home and we argue that that's just also an example. And how often would you say, I got this when you were talking, should somebody clear or cleanse a home or their space? I have, you know, what I normally do, but what do you typically recommend? Cause to me, I call it spiritual hygiene. You wouldn't go days without brushing your teeth or taking a shower type of things. It's the same thing with our spaces. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So, there is this when you do, for example, when I do a space

59:45healing, which is healing the land from the past, the land is healed. And the inhabitants, they would do the hygiene in their space. So, I personally love to smudge my home once a week. It's just usually I'm standing behind. I don't do it once a week. So, and it's, you know, I would start it and then I would give it to one of my children and say, okay, go to the upper floors and so just make it more playful. It's not, you know, cleaning energy and where it's not serious. It's filled with joy. So, we don't need to make a whole ritual, which takes us hours to cleanse the energy. When you do it deeply, do it once, take a few hours and do all this smudging and the clapping and the sound and everything, what you feel called to do. But then the hygiene is the joy and play, you know, you can also clean the energy of your home with music. Yeah, that's one of my favorite way. Yeah, just turn on the music and then I would, I don't

1:00:48go out and be outside for two, you don't have to. But I would allow the music to cleanse the energy while I'm doing something else outside of my home. That's one of my favorite ways is if you're out for a few hours, whether it's directly outside your home or you're running errands to play some classical music or some fun healing energy track and ask your guides and angels to cleanse and clear the space while you're gone. So, you can do some things like set it and release it type of thing. So, what are some shifts that, you know, when that energy is cleared, whether it's the home or the land memory, what shifts happen? So, you mentioned like depression and or all these other things, fighting that sort of thing. But what else would shift? What do people experience? I assume peace, feeling at ease. Yeah, of course. They would feel that some tension is gone. Usually the space would start smelling differently. They would start sleeping more as a deeply or more, being more relaxed in everyday life. But what also would happen, new opportunities would start appearing

1:01:51because the frequency has shifted and all of a sudden, the people would see, see opportunities, which they haven't seen before, because the frequency was not in tune. And generally, it's not very often that people say, oh, after you do the healing, immediately things happen. But I always say healing, a deep healing when you do it, it takes nine moon cycles to come to an end. Nine. Yeah, like nine more. So, I would say like 70%, 80% happens immediately, and then define tuning happens over time. And I'm always connected to my clients. And I was, okay, how are you doing? I'm like, what have you, what have shifted? I would say, what are you doing? And I'm taking notes. And then I would always say, okay, when we connected, you were sharing this, this and that. And now when you're sharing this, like, oh, well, I didn't even recognize it, because the team, the shifts happened so slightly and they wouldn't even say something happens, but then in direct comparison through conversation, they're like, yeah, right, you're right.

1:02:51Things are not breaking so fast anymore. Or sometimes, you know, I just have to share this because it was so impactful. The family wanted to sell a house. And they said, well, you know, we're not going to do any healing now. We're right. I have it on our new home. Let us sell the house first. And then a year later, they're like, oh, well, we cannot sell the house. Can you just, you know, do the healing? Then I told them, look, when they do a healing, it's about cleaning and cleansing the energy that's something you can come. It can also be that the wish comes up to keep the house. Just I want to make you aware of it. And what happened after the healing, a half a year later, they called me and said, you know, we're so happy. We did it. And we did not sold the house because we're so happy. We stayed here. Everything cleared. That's such a beautiful example. Thank you for that. Okay. So as we're wrapping up for someone listening who may feel stuck or in between chapters in their lives, what is one gentle way they

1:03:53can begin listening to their space or their home this week? So when you go to sleep or you wake up, before you open your eyes or do anything, take a few deep breaths and really connect to your home. Just imagine your home being a person and like a friend. And you would, you can imagine yourself you sit down and you just look at your home and really deeply connect to it. And then you ask your home, what do you need me to do? Is there, or you can also ask, what can I do for you today? Like you would be in service to your home, like we're in service to our family or to our farm. I never thought of putting in, I ask this question every day, how maybe if service? And I usually think of externally, outside of myself, outside of my home, I never thought of asking my home, that. That's amazing. Thank you. Okay. And if a home could speak, what do you think it would want it's inhabitants to know right now? Talk to me. Talk to me. So when I, we are traveling a lot.

1:04:57So when we are leaving our home for a few weeks, I would always say, beautiful home, we are coming back. We're just going on vacation or whatever. You're having a vacation too. At the hometown of vacation. So relax. Everything is good. We're coming back because, imagine, I always say the home's consciousness is that of a child. And if you would never leave a child saying, okay, we're leaving. And the child would be like, coming back. What is happening? So let your home know what you're doing. Say hello, say goodbye when you're coming or when you're leaving your home. Bring flowers. I love to gift flowers to my space. And then even when I'm cleaning or doing something, I am talking to my home. I just talk to your home or to your office as well. Thanks for sharing that. I would say the first several months of me moving into this home, it didn't feel like my home. There were a lot of things. I'm not going to get into it. I mentioned some of it early on. And when I came back from a trip, it wasn't the Egypt one. It was a work trip.

1:06:05I came back and I was like, this home feels so different. And in hindsight, it was because what I was saying earlier, I had said, okay, no more changes to the home or to your space. We're going to take it slow at a conversation. And it just shifted. And so I'm going to have more and more energetic conversations and touch bases with my own homes. So thank you for that. So in closing, where can listeners find you and explore your work? And are there any offerings, free resources or programs you'd like to share more detail here? Oh, yeah, absolutely. So you can find me, of course, of Instagram. It's unfolding a space EN for English. So this is the one. And then of course, my website unfolding, then the minus space.com as well. And there is a tab with free resources. We have e-books. So we have a lot of things because I want to get you going even I would say you can't start doing Feng Shui. You don't even have to spend a dime. And you can

1:07:05also start implementing Feng Shui without spending money. It's usually really getting conscious about your home and your space and doing some small adjustments. And it's so exciting to me. That's the reason why we have quite a few free resources. And if you want to dive deeper, you have different online courses connected to the future self and to the palaces as well. And if you want to learn to work, the space certification activation is also listed on our website. So you can always take a look and reach out. And then you can take it from there. Amazing. I will include both your websites and some of these links in the show notes. And you mentioned the meditation. So what I may do, I don't know how long it is. So I'll see if there is a way to include it in the show notes, depending on length of the ability to do that. And if not, maybe what I'll do with your permission is post it to my website. And we'll see. I'll work it in. And I may even record it if that works for you and post that meditation over on Patreon for people. So there's that. So now Danielle and I are going to go over speaking of Patreon to Patreon

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