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Today on the Grave Talks, born in M-Path,

maybe she's born with it.

Maybe it's may, no, metaphysical.

The story of Doreen Fisher is a confalling one

journey through her life surrounded by the supernatural, some of it positive, some of it very haunting

and negative. Today we hear her story of being wrapped in positive warmth by an energy she couldn't

explain. All the way to an energy that nearly drove her off the road, literally. The rainfisher

story today on The Grave Talks. Well, I think I was probably born with it, but my earliest memory

of strange things being thrown at me was watching in search of episodes with my mom. So she was,

she had an interest in it. She didn't talk about it a lot, but she would turn these shows on

on the weekends and watch them. And of course I'd sit there and watch them with her and the fascination

grew from there, but I think I was probably born with it because I don't know. When I listen to

my father telling me, you know, if I got out of bed at night, the bogeyman would get me. I always

had this picture of the bogeyman as a big foot. I mean, I already, I already knew big foot when

I was that small. So I think I was born with it, definitely. Oh, interesting. So when you say born

with it, are you referring to the interest, the passion, or you're referring to, do you have

some abilities, some, some sensitivities to this? I am an empath. Yes, I do have sensitivities to

energy and they have grown over time. I'm also clear audience, which means I have psychic hearing.

I hear things like if I have a question in my mind, an answer will come to me. I'll turn on the

radio and the answer will be in the words of a song or I'll see a sign that will answer my question.

Things like that, that's what being clear audience is. Sometimes I just hear things in my head,

but mostly it comes in a form of music or something like that. So, but that's developed over

quite a few years and it's gotten very keen in the last couple of years. So, but yeah, I had

a passion for it, but I felt that these things were real. I mean, it was real to me because I could feel,

I had a sense that these things were real. So, it was just always there and it's really hard to explain

in detail, but I've just always had a sense of all of these things and I've had little experiences

from the time I was very small. Just I was a weird kid, so I was by myself a lot. I didn't have a lot

of friends, so I was out wandering around in the woods and things like that and had strange little

experiences like feeling like something was watching me in the woods and I would hear, I would wake

up in the middle of the night and I would hear voices telling me things or calling my name,

trying to think of some of the other things, but just small, weird things that have happened to me

ever since I can remember actually. So, um, so would you say some of the earliest memories

for you would be things like that, like like being out in the woods, kind of feeling watched,

hearing the voices from the middle of the night calling your name? Yeah, there's a lot more.

Sure. How much time do you have? Well, we got an hour. So, if there's other, other, you know,

really interesting things here, what's really interesting about having these conversations is

there's so many people that are listening that have had experiences similarly, but they've never

been able to talk about them. So, so sometimes some of those moments where you feel like, well,

you know, this is an important, it can be and you end up really reaching and hitting someone

that that needs to hear, you know, they're not alone. So, yeah, any parts of your story you want to

share, the more the better. Oh my gosh. Okay, well, before this one event happened,

there were a lot of smaller things, but I'm going to go to my first major event of what I would

call a haunting in a house that I lived in. After years of weird little things happening to me,

I was pretty well primed for this whole event. When I moved out of my parents' house, I moved in

with a friend and I, it was a big, old, creepy looking Victorian house. It was just a really,

really big, old, old house and it had a lot of strange energy in it anyway when I moved in,

but this friend was not there very often. She was out traveling a lot of the time,

so I was there by myself with my dog and it was kind of quiet in that house a lot of the time.

I don't really watch a lot of TV, so I would be sitting reading. There was a big room

between the dining room and the living room that was, I called the reading room because it had

bookshelves and I put all of my books there. I'm a crazy reader, so all of my books were in that room

and I had a big couch in there and I would sit in there and read quite a bit. Anyway, I'm getting

ahead of myself. There were some noises in that house that I couldn't identify and I would be

upstairs. This is a huge house. It's hard to describe, big house, big ceilings, lots of rooms,

lots of ornate, woodwork and all this stuff. It would be quiet a house. But anyway,

I would be sleeping upstairs and the first thing I remember was hearing the floor creaking

in the hallway outside of my bedroom. I knew that the only thing that would make that floor

creak was something walking down the hallway. I made that floor creak myself when I was walking

down the hallway. Of course, there was no one else in the house except the dog and the

dog was always with me. So I would hear this going up and down the hallway in the middle of the

night. Strangely, the way I had lived and felt about things for all those years, I wasn't really

afraid of it. But I would just listen to it and wonder about it and the dog would sometimes

go to the bedroom doorway that was open and she would just kind of look out and she kind of

tilt her head like she heard it too, but she didn't do anything else other than that.

Well, this kept going on for quite a while and I would hear noises in some of the other rooms,

kind of just banging noises. Nothing really loud or scary or anything like that.

But I would just hear it all the time and I was curious about it. I figured there was

something living there with me. There was some kind of ghost, I guess.

And I just kind of kept listening for it and everything. Well,

back to the reading room where I was sitting on the couch reading my books. One day I just

happened to look up and I had a big Miriam Webster collegiate dictionary, a big giant dictionary

that was one up on one of the higher shelves, a very heavy book, as you know. And I just

happened to look up and it just flew off the shelf. It was almost like somebody had taken their

finger and just flipped it off the shelf and it landed on the floor. Not exactly an easy object

to go and do that on its own. It's not something that fell off. It was something that knocked

up, was knocked off of there. Yeah. And like, okay, somebody wants me to know they're here. Sure.

So after that happened, I still wasn't afraid. That was the thing. It did not scare me.

Like I said, I'm empathic and the energy was not, it wasn't any negative type of energy.

But anyway, later on, I noticed that the dog would run to the stairway. There was a big stairway

in the front hallway, you know, the classic stairway in the old houses. Sure.

And anyway, it was a big stairway. Anyway, the dog would keep running to the bottom of the steps.

She would leave the living room where I was and she'd run to the bottom of the stairway and she'd

look up and she'd bark. But she didn't want to go up there. I kept telling her,

well, go up there and see what it is. But she would not go up there. This happened, I don't know,

numerous times. It's been so many years ago. It's hard to remember details. But anyway, I don't

know how many times this happened. But anyway, I think it was later on I had gone into the kitchen

one day and I was doing some work in the kitchen. And I came back into the living room. I was

running back and forth. I can't remember what I was doing. But anyway, the big hallway was

right next to the living room where the stairway was. And there was a, we had a big piano there.

It was like, oh, one of those big stand-up pianos. I don't know what you call them. But anyway,

we had family pictures on top of that piano. And I came out. Now, keep in mind, I was by myself in

the house when all this stuff happened. Anyway, I came out. I was in the living room. I was

stair at the hallway and there were two pictures that were laying face down on the floor. Now,

what you have to understand about this is I had those pictures staggered. And the pictures

that were laying on the floor had been behind other pictures. But those pictures were not

knocked off like they would have been if something would have just knocked them down.

So is there is a physical impossibility there for what occurred?

Right. Something had picked up the pictures and laid them face down on the floor.

Two of them. And I put them back up and I, you know, I still wasn't scared. There was no

negative energy at all. But I picked them up and put them back up. And I went back to work

in the kitchen. I was kind of thinking about it, you know, what the heck's going on here. And,

you know, and something wants me to know it's here. And anyway, I was working in the kitchen,

minding my own business thinking that was it for the day. Nothing else was going to happen.

Well, I went back to the living room and I looked in the hallway and those two pictures were

laying on the floor again. The same ones. And you knew you already, I mean, this isn't like days

later or anything. You knew you had just corrected the situation. I had just heard this was the

same day. And there might have been an hour time times or something, but it wasn't very long.

Yeah. It happened again. So I'm like, okay. Yeah. I like how nonchalant you are. But like, yeah,

I was just like, okay, whatever. So anyway, I just little things like that. And I kept hearing

noises every day. Different noises. I would hear something in the other room. I would hear like

little, like a footstep or two or something that sound like it. The dog continually would go to

the stairway and look up the stairs and wouldn't go upstairs. Every night, creaking in the hallway

and everything. And the dog was having puppies. And I'm not sure how much later this was,

but a little later. She was having puppies and we'd set up a place in the basement for her to

have her puppies. And we were running up and down the basement. Well, my friend left to go to work.

She was gone for a few days. And I was there by myself with the dogs. And the puppies were

had been born. They were downstairs. And I was down there quite a bit checking on them. Well,

one day I was down there and I heard some really heavy footsteps going across the hardwood floors

upstairs. And I'm like, okay, well, maybe my dad came in or something. You know, I didn't know,

but it sounded like somebody was really tromping through and like heavy boots or something.

Yeah. And anyway, I went upstairs and I'm looking around and I'm

hollering, you know, dad, are you there? And it's like nobody's there, of course.

Yeah. So I'm standing in the kitchen. I'm like, okay, you know, I knew something was up. This

was the same thing that was going on. I'm like, okay, I'm okay with you being here. Whoever you are,

I just don't ever want to see you. If I don't ever see you, I'm fine with it. You can stay

here forever if you want to. I just don't want to see you. I was sure I couldn't handle seeing

whatever this was. Sure. Oh, that's that was my thought at the time. And anyway, I never did see it.

But I did some research later on and the only thing I could find in the history of the house

was that the local fire chief had lived there and he had died there of pneumonia.

That was the only thing I could think of, but that leads me to the ending of the story,

which is curious because the house caught fire. And I didn't realize it, but the cops were pounding

on the door one night. This was maybe two o'clock in the morning, pounding on the door. I'm like,

what the heck is going on? Well, they told me the house was on fire. Oh, my God. And I couldn't

believe it. Well, anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself again, but before that, I felt something,

someone sit down on the foot of my bed. Okay. And it felt like it reminded me of one of my

mother used to sit at the foot of my bed when I was sick, when I was little. Sure. That's what it

felt like. Anyway, the next thing I know the firemen are at the door and the houses on fire.

And you know, the whole thing with the firemen living there and dying there,

I don't know if that has anything to do with anything, but I always kind of had a feeling that

it might have been him. I don't know. But, um, so how bad was the fire? What was it?

It wasn't really too bad. They actually caught it in time. It didn't burn through the roof for

anything. Wow. But it burnt some wiring and stuff like that. But luckily, you know,

everybody was on the ball in the middle of the night, believe it or not. Yeah. And got me out of

the house and got the fire put out and everything was fine. But I'll never know exactly what was up

with that. But I don't know. I always go back to the firemen. It was just a strange thing that

happened. And, um, yeah, I feel like it was him. Yeah. I mean, and it's an interesting thing.

What I find interesting too is how you say it kind of, you know, it reminded you of your mother

at the end of your bed as well. It did. It was a very comfortable feeling. Yeah. Like somebody

that was at had children or something. Sure. It's like, like, hey, honey, wake up, you know,

yeah. Like not trying to alarm me or something. Your house is on fire. It's okay. Get a snack on

your way out. Yeah. But when I found out the house was on fire, I'm like, get me the hell out of here.

But yeah. And the dog had been trying to wake me up for hours. And I guess she knew it was

probably smoldering before that. And I was just like, leave me alone dog. Go back to bed.

Well, and especially with the dog, you know, always kind of being a little bit on edge or kind of

hearing or sensing things. It may be you're not hearing or sensing. It's just kind of another day

when when you're kind of in that situation. Yeah. So anyway, that's my ghost story. There are

many others. Oh, yes. That's the biggest one. I want to go to some others here in a moment.

But I want to talk about some elements of that and just kind of get your opinions. Because

these are just interesting events that occur. And I always am curious as to what others' opinions

are on on how logistically they happen. We know they happen. We're already there. We're accepting

that these things happen. But what I wonder about is things like the pictures. You know, it's easy

to say, okay, well, you know, a spirit knocked the dictionary off the shelf. Okay. I mean,

it's a far stretch for many, but it's a clear shot. So I can go, okay, I get how that happened.

But when you hear things that do things like that, like they literally jumped a picture. And

it would have liked to have seen how they got to the floor. That's the question. That's

people have those sort of things all the time where it's like that. You can see exactly where it

was from point A to point B or it's in a completely different area of the house. What are your

thoughts on that? On how, you know, if there was a security camera watching that happen,

what would we be seeing? Do you think? Yeah, I really wish I knew. I have struggled with that

for years. I don't know. It would seem to me that it would take, well, I used to think it would

take a lot of energy for something, some entity to do that. But I don't really believe that

anymore. I think it might have been easy because if they wanted, if they wanted me to know they were

here, I don't know. It really puzzles me. I wish I didn't know. But that was what really

convinced me that something in that house really wanted me to know it was there. And it wasn't

harmful. It wasn't a negative energy at all. It was almost funny because the second time it

happened, you know, the second time I found those pictures on the floor, I kind of laughed because

I'm like, okay, I got you. I know you're here. When you made that statement to the entity of, hey,

you know, we can coexist here. Did you think it would work? Had you done that before in any other

situation where you knew? I hadn't done that before, but I had heard other people tell me

stories in which they have said, okay, I'm okay with you being here. You know, there's no conflict

between us. I'm okay with you existing here. You haven't caused me any harm or any problems.

It's been kind of amusing, really. You know, so yeah, I've heard of other people doing that,

and I thought, well, you know, I'll try it. And the fact that I really did not want to see an

apparition inside my house. If I did that, I probably would have had to move. I don't know,

all the other activity didn't bother me at all, but if I had seen something that might have been

different. So I guess I felt like I had to tell this thing that I really don't want to see you

and hope that it would, you know, not show itself, and it never did. In fact, the activity

really stopped after that. It really, there wasn't anything much after the fire and everything.

It was pretty much over with. So it's strange. I don't know if it left or calm down or what,

it's just really strange to me. Do you think the fire was just kind of a naturally occurring thing

and that these entities are trying to help you? Or do you think the entities and anything to do

with the fire itself when you look back on it retrospectively? I thought about that, but I really,

you know, empathically speaking, I don't, I didn't get any feeling that I was being

threatened in any way. I think it happened on its own and this person was maybe trying to help me

get me out of the house. That's how I feel about it anyway. Sure. In that case, there's something

that was there and that was there to help. So tell me how things continued to progress for you

in life and in other occurrences that that occurred for you.

Well, from that, I was really a true believer after that. I'd kind of played around with the idea

that these things exist up to that point and after that happened, I was pretty sure that there was

more to reality than what we all understand. And I had other things happen. I lived in another

haunted house. The story isn't as good as that one, but we would leave the house at night. This is

when I was married. My husband and I would leave the house in the evening time. We knew all the

lights were off in the house and we'd come home and the all the upstairs lights would be on.

Every single one of them would have been turned on. We had things. We had something that was

knocking stuff off of our kitchen counters and knocking. I used to iron my clothes for work.

This has been a long time ago. Used to iron my clothes for work. I do it on top of the dryer

and I'd leave the iron sitting there. Sure. I'd put it back against the back of the dryer while

I wasn't there so it wouldn't fall off. That I'd come out and it was out in the middle of the floor.

Something had thrown it out in the middle of the floor and just stuff like that.

I don't know. I think these things, I don't know if they follow certain people, but I think that we

create it to a certain degree. I mean it all goes back to you. Create your own reality. I think

thought forms are a real thing in which people project their energy onto something and I think

we're responsible for some of this to a point. But that house that I'm talking about was across,

right across the street from an Indian burial ground. It was a really curious spot because we

closed the gate. We had a big lock on the outside gate on the fence and we'd get up every morning

and this gate would be wide open and just weird things happen. I just had a weird feeling about it.

Anybody could have opened the gate. I realized that. But I don't know. When you're empathic,

you get feelings about things that people will try to tell you well. It was just this or it was

just that. It was just kids doing that or whatever. And I'm like sometimes I get the sense that

that was what it was. But other times I get the sense that there was more to it. So does that make

any sense? Yeah. Oh yeah. Now I'm very interested in this idea that the idea of us almost

projecting some of these things out there. These these these thoughts type entities that

is it, you know, chicken before the egg on some things? How often this is all just opinion?

How often are we haunting ourselves? And it's not the dead. It's not somebody else's residual energy.

How often is this just us doing this to each other? We don't even realize it. Okay. You want me to

tell you what I really think about. Yeah, I'd love to. I think that most of the time we're creating it,

I honestly do. And it's because I'm studying the paranormal. What that led me to is

quantum physics. Okay. Because you start to get the feeling that reality isn't quite what you

think it is. And it can be a little bit creepy at times the way it works. But anyway, when you

study quantum physics, you realize that we have more control over what's going on around us than we

think we do. Okay. And honestly, we control things unconsciously a lot of the time. You know,

we are capable of creating things consciously, but most people don't know that.

So what we're doing is we're creating things unconsciously. And basically, when we believe in

something, we give energy to it. And whenever somebody talks about ghosts or something,

I have more of a tendency to have a haunting experience because it puts that seed in my head.

And what I do is I start thinking about it and I'm giving energy to something. And when you're

giving energy to something, you're actually kind of creating it. So, see, the thing is it's really,

really hard to talk to people about this because they don't, we've kind of been taught to think

that this kind of thing isn't real. But basically, what quantum physics tells us is that we're creating

our reality at every single moment. So if that's the case, then we're also creating a haunting.

So I've kind of struggled with how to explain that to other people and have them understand it

because some people who have experienced a haunting, they have had a bad experience, very negative

experience. And they're like, I didn't create that. I would not create that. I'm like, you wouldn't

create it consciously. But you know, if you're scared to death, like, okay, paranormal investigators,

ghost hunters, when they go into investigate a haunting, they kind of have to get control of their

emotions because if they don't, I think they're creating something when they go in there. I mean,

for one thing, okay, they go into a haunted house. Somebody says it's haunted or an insane

insane asylum or something like that. Anyway, it's well known for all of its hauntings. Well, when you

go in there, you're thinking this place is haunted. So you're kind of giving energy to that idea. So

you're kind of feeding the entity. Now, I don't think that's always the case. I think that

people think I'm crazy sometimes. But I think that there are possibly

ET's walking around too that are hiding in certain places and are trying to keep us out of them.

The whole Scooby Doo story where, you know, they're they dressed up like a ghost to keep other people

away so they could, you know, cook up crank in the bathtub or something. So that kind of thing.

But am I making sense? No, you are. I mean, and this is what I love. This is what we do on the show.

It's it's everybody's just kind of telling their thoughts and their theories. We all operate kind

of from the starting point of we believe this stuff is happening. It's just how and that's

where, you know, we end up with far more questions than you do answers. But that's half the fun of it.

But yeah, the whole thought form thing, I haven't formed a complete theory on that. But I do know

that we have a lot more control of our reality than we think we do. And I do know that a lot of the

things that happen to us are they come from our state of mind. Like if we're in a negative state

of mind, how often have you had the experience where you're kind of in a rotten mood and you go

through your day and terrible things happen to you, you know, it just gets worse and worse. That's

the late. But if you start out in a good mood, everything kind of clicks, you know, everything goes

good. So I mean, that's kind of an example of how we create our reality. And I think it's the same

with, you know, hauntings and things like that. And like people who say they've encountered demons

and things like that, I think, you know, it has a lot to do with their state of mind.

That wraps up part one of our conversation with Durene and part two. We'll talk about,

do we sometimes go off the rails of our own reality or timeline and create our own hauntings?

Is the Mandela effect a true paranormal occurrence or a simple act of our memory failures?

When Durene first started investigating quantum physics, what were some of the first theories

that surprised her? And when Durene was in a desperate state and a very depressed one as well?

Did she believe that she was being tormented by something negative?

That could not be easily explained. Until next time, with the Grave Talks,

Tony Bursky, thanks for listening.

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