Amazon’s Jury Duty Season 2 behind the scenes, Filming Borat, Meeting OJ

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And I went in there, got OJ to sign the thing, and then proceeded to get in a car in the

back seat while his lawyer drove 30 minutes across town, and I had the greatest conversation

about football I have ever had in my life with OJ Simpson, where he was actually the finals

of my fantasy.

It was December 13th.

It was my 40th birthday.

Oh, my God.

Does that come back to me?

And OJ, we're talking about fantasy football, and I'm like, I'm actually in the finals

right now.

And OJ is like, I got into the fantasy football in prison, and I won it two years in

Rome.

He's telling me about all that stuff.

Well, I'm actually in the finals right now, I showed him my score, and I'm like, look

it, I'm killing this guy right now.

So OJ Simpson, I'm like, oh my God.

And I'm like, it's out there, you know, who says, and I just had to pretend like that

was totally normal because he definitely didn't kill anybody.

But we talked about Walter Payden.

We talked about, you know, Jim, I'm a huge embarrassment.

Gail Sayers, he said it was the greatest ever, Walter Jim Brown, and talked about his

days of playing for 30 minutes on the way over.

And then there were two blind females in the lobby as we were going up.

And oh my God, they were enamored with OJ.

That Mayo experience.

Welcome to the Pat Mayo experience switching gears today on the show.

It's a Friday.

We're going to have some fun.

And you can have a ton of fun by watching jury duty season two on Amazon Prime if you

miss season one.

I don't know what the hell you're doing.

You should probably go watch that.

And joining me to discuss all of this is someone who worked on the show, Jordan Cohen.

Joining me here, Jordan, tell everyone what you do on the show.

It's a great question, Pat.

Hello, everybody.

What do I do?

So I am one of the producers on the show.

But I'm also, if you know what jury duty is, we have to create like a ruse of we're filming

a documentary as far as the one person is concerned with.

And so I'm sort of like the documentarian.

I'm with the cast the entire time.

I'm with this, this iteration is with Anthony.

I was with Ronald from day one, helped cast him, helped cast Anthony with this as well.

Bring him into the whole fold, make it, make it all seem like this is totally a normal

thing that what we're doing.

So I'm like part of the cast, but you know, always off camera, although you hear my voice

a couple times or in some episodes.

So sorry to do that to you.

I know I don't have the greatest voice, but it's better than looking at me, which you

have to do right now.

Anyway, but anyway, Pat, how was that?

Did I answer that right?

I think so.

I think you got it.

Well, we spoke yesterday until my power went out, so this is round two.

So it could be a little tighter this time, but it got me thinking, you know, who would

be the perfect person as the main character of this shit?

Cost would be amazing.

Cost would be, is that where you go?

Is that where you go?

Yeah.

He'd be incredible.

He'd be easy to do.

Oh, totally.

The only thing is for this, we're trying to create, we wanted to find somebody who is

going to make all the right choices and really, you know, endure himself or herself in

future episode or a future series, seasons possibly to America and to the world.

And I don't know if cost, I mean, I love costs, you know, I feel like he's in a acquired

taste a little bit.

But maybe like season six, seven, we can get to cost status.

I would love that.

That would be great.

He is like genuinely the nicest person going.

So there's always like he will be in a cast of people he doesn't know.

He's very drama free that way, but he'll just do weird things.

What is this guy doing?

What is it like it eats like that?

What is?

Yeah.

I totally agree.

All right.

I'll mark that one down.

Future season.

He wants, because like malls are dead.

So food and hortes should have like a season pass that you buy to and then you can build

a buffet from all the restaurants at once.

I don't know who wants this besides him, but he really thinks it's a winning idea.

And yes, I've noticed with a lot of his ideas, he feels like they're all winning ideas.

In, yeah, in practice, I'm like, I don't think so and I think everybody is in agreement

with that.

But yeah, I don't want to spoil it too much, but season two.

So season one was an actual fake jury of fake trial actors playing the judge, everyone

on the jury, everyone who's there, season two, a little bit different.

Did you guys think about changing the name or is the name have so much brand value now that

you have to call it jury duty?

I think it has so much brand value that we have to call jury duty presents company retreats.

And then if there's a season three, good Lord willing, I think it'll be something different.

It'll probably be jury duty presents jury duty presenting company retreat.

No, I think it'll still be just jury duty presents whatever the next thing might be.

And would love to see a season three on that, on that note.

Did you guys get a way bigger budget this time around with Amazon being behind it?

Definitely.

So what we pulled off is exponentially, absolutely exponentially in every facet was a lot harder

than what we did in season one.

Season one, obviously we'd never done it before.

So it was all new territory for every single person involved and obviously it was incredible

what we were able to pull off.

We wanted to push him a little bit more so the world is much bigger and you'll all see

that in episode eight when we do like the behind the scenes sort of like we did in the first season as well

to show how we did this.

We took over a huge resort in a Gore Hills right near Malibu and that was before the fires.

I found out it's still standing, which is great.

It's just gorgeous.

And a lot of like the interstitials and transitions in this show the beauty of that resort.

And actually, it's very reminiscent of white lotus and one of the executive producers

and creators of this is Dave Bernad, who is one of the executive producer of white lotus

as well.

So it's almost like a tip of the cap.

Did I answer your question, Pat?

Did I?

Yeah, you guys had more budget.

It looks nicer.

We have more budget.

That was a question.

Yeah, thank you.

Did you get like nicer cameras?

No, like I'm so technologically like out of like I have no idea like getting me on this

thing with stuff.

I know you're a you're a fuel producer, right?

Like not holding a camera sometimes.

It's rare.

They try to keep the camera away from me from the most part.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's like I have film stuff before we're on the road.

They just don't let me touch anything.

Other people have to set that up.

Yeah.

That's what Jared is for and, you know, and I, yeah.

I talk and although not I normally talk better than I'm talking right now, but it's

okay.

Yeah.

You're on the show.

You're a long time.

It's hilarious though.

I mean, you jumped on to me like when I was talking about true duty season one, we chatted

back and forth.

It's like, let's, let's get on.

Let's do the show this time around because I just find the process behind this show.

How to keep it?

Like is there a failsafe?

Like what if the person finds out what's going on?

That's a great question.

It's never happened.

If there is, you know, we deal with that in the moment.

There really wasn't like a total protocol if that were to happen.

Of course, we had major confidence that that wouldn't ever happen.

But the crazy thing with this is, you know, we've got around a hundred people who are there,

although like hiding in different areas for the entire time because it's really just

supposed to be a small documentary crew and then the company.

But at any given point, any single person can blow this entire thing.

Everybody holds, you know, the whole show, you know, in millions of dollars of Amazon's

money in their hands and any given second.

So really is, it's just high stakes, like a high wire act and for this to go on for two

plus weeks and be able to keep, you know, the, the, the ruse or whatever you want to call

it up is, is incredible.

But it also like if you take the other side of that and you think about it from Anthony's

perspective or Ronald's perspective, first of all, we make sure that they've never seen

jury duty.

So they wouldn't know like anything like this exists and we have our ways of doing that.

But he would be so insane to actually not only think that like this is all fake, but also

like call that out and like just be like, no, I got to you guys.

But it's possible.

It could have happened.

And I spoiler alert, it did not happen this time.

Well, I don't think the show would be coming out if it did.

It's a good point.

Yeah.

Good point.

Getting process behind finding the, I guess, I want to say the mark, but the main character,

the one guy who doesn't know what's really going on.

The vetting process is so we did like a nationwide search.

Obviously, the first time was for jury duty.

So we put like a Craigslist ad out for this.

It was a little bit different.

We needed to find a temporary, you know, somebody who's in the job market, which is really

one of the threads through this whole thing.

What the job market is, the temp industry, corporate America versus, versus, you know, family

own businesses and everything, you know, a lot of different overarching themes.

But we're looking for somebody who's looking for temp work, who wouldn't mind coming to

beautiful California.

And then we talked to them like it's a real job.

If they might be working for this, in this case, hot sauce company for a few weeks.

And what we're looking for is somebody who is inherently genuine, who is confident in

themselves.

And feel would be a, you know, a great person, make the right decisions all along.

And somebody likeable, obviously, and, you know, somewhat good looking as well as they've

got to be in front of a camera for weeks.

And, you know, so, and we found all that in Anthony.

He is the most just, he was tired, and if you saw season one, you know, Ronald is very

much of the same ilk.

So it's sort of that, that fabric.

And in this day and age, you know, is so much shit going on in the world as we all know.

It is such a breath of fresh air and inspiration to not only be able to find somebody like that,

but then to hang out with somebody like that, be in their aura for so long.

And I think America is going to fall in love with this guy.

He's incredible.

I think that's, that's what I enjoyed so much about season one was a, I started watching

Parks and Rec again recently too.

And just we were like, after we had the baby, we started like, we even binge watching

X files.

And my wife just looked me after like 10 minutes of after having the baby and watching

X files.

She's like, this is a bit much for the moment.

Let's just put on something happy.

Parks and Rec is a happy show.

This is a happy show that you just put it on.

You feel good.

And the first three episodes are dropping Friday, right?

First three episodes drop in Friday.

So I guess today if you're watching this today, the embargo for reviews was just lifted,

meaning that, you know, people started coming out with reviews and they're overwhelmingly

like positive, saying, you know, it's a really tough thing to try to recapture the magic

that we did the first season.

And overwhelmingly, they're saying that not only do we do that, but we up the game, which

was really the intent behind this whole thing.

I have to like, harken back to 2018, I was, where I had been working with Sasha Baron

Cohen for a while as a head field producer for him.

We'd come off a show called Who Is America?

We were just in the infancy stage of Borat II.

I'm in my mentor, Todd Schulman, who is the field producer for Sasha for like 10 years

prior, who now works for Adam McKay, great guy, he's one of the creators of this.

And we had a lunch in 2018 and he told me about this idea and I said, I don't care what

I'm doing.

Like if I have another job, whatever it is, I need to work on that show.

And it all came to fruition.

And now it's eight years later at this point.

It's crazy.

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It makes sense that to take people crew wise, producer wise, from things like Sasha

Berra Cohen, curve your enthusiasm, that entire non-scripted world would make sense.

You guys have a lot of reality TV people on there as well, like just crew wise, not so

much just people wise, obviously.

Yes, very much so.

Great question.

I originally came from, not originally, you know, was a restaurant manager in Chicago

and blah, blah, blah.

But when I moved out to California, I started with a company called 257 with Dave Brum,

he was a creator of Biggest Loser.

And so from 2008 to like 2015, 2016, I was a reality show producer.

I worked on the Bachelor, I worked on a show called Coupled, worked on something like

the gay version of the Bachelor called, I can't even remember, finding Prince Charming,

yeah, a bunch of like reality shows.

And a bunch of the crew who are now camera for Sasha and also jury duty, or were like,

I'm like, oh, I know you, like you were on my show.

So it was a lot of the same crew, it's the same thing.

So you never worked on the challenge.

Never worked on the challenge.

I have friends who worked on the challenge, worked on a show called American Grip with

John Cena.

Oh, could you see him?

Oh, yeah.

It is amazing, actually, yeah, I will tell you, I feel like as far as talent goes, I don't

think there's a greater talent than Sasha Baron Cohen, I think is a complete genius

for him to be a totally different character in this realm for so long and be able to switch

things up.

Anyway, but beyond that, John Cena, I've never seen somebody who you can just give lines

to and without writing, he just remembers them and it's one take every single time.

He's an absolute talent and just a really, really genuine guy.

It was a great guy.

Okay, so I want to swing back to jury duty for a second, I got a question about Borat

too.

It knows who Borat is at this point from, I mean, I think Sasha ended up becoming like

the world's richest man after the first Borat movie.

So second one comes around, it's an Amazon movie.

How do you guys go, how do you find people who don't know who Borat is?

It is a process that we do and a process that I did not think really would work.

But because who, like you said, who doesn't know who Borat is?

Turns out a lot of people didn't know who Borat was.

We found upwards of like, you know, 100, 100 people who were on camera who did not know

who Borat is.

And so for us, we found the percentage to be out of people that we reached out to or

were talking to to be in any given scene was somewhere between one to two percent.

So for every 100, for every person that you see on camera, just know like, and we, there's

at least 100 people who were, you know, we failed with before getting to that.

And also then we needed to make sure that they were the right type of person would say

the right thing for any given scene.

But it was amazing to me and I'll tell you a quick story.

Sasha didn't think that we can do Borat too.

We actually tested it out like in 2016 or something like that.

And put it in the back shelf, like there's no way this will work.

In 2018, he was doing a Jimmy Kimmel show for, it was the midterm election.

And he was going to be on.

And he was going to do something actually with, I think it was Kanye West or something

at the time, really like crazy breakdown.

But it was after he'd been like in the White House who Trump was going to be this really

weird thing.

And obviously that fell through and I got a call the night before you're supposed to

be on Kimmel is like, Jordan, do you think we can do a Borat thing, put it together?

And I'm like, absolutely.

So we went out to West Lake Village and filmed like a midterm election thing where Borat

was messing with people going to the polls.

And it worked.

Like people didn't know who he was.

And it was hilarious.

It was a five minute bit.

And that Kimmel thing was on promotion for who's America, which had just come out.

And he, I'll do my own horn.

He credits me or did at least once and I'll pretend like he says it to everybody.

But with making it possible to make, you know, for him to feel confident that we can do

Borat too, it was a really, really cool thing.

So yeah.

How does it work like coming in and out of character?

Is he in character the entire time you're on like set?

And then he's like normal afterwards.

Is that weird?

Yes, it is totally weird.

It is totally, totally weird.

Because he's still in character and especially like as we went through like, who is America

on Borat?

Like he's in the suit with the mustache and everything like that.

You're talking to him and he's just right out of character, which is something I can't

do.

Like with jury duty or even, you know, getting people in scene or anything like that.

I have to like pump myself up by staying completely in character and calling like with jury

duty.

Everybody's got the real names and then they've got their character names.

And we made it really a practice, but it's something that I couldn't live without.

Like I needed, I didn't even know their names when we started filling jury duty.

I only called them by their character names and actually went to a premier screening

last night.

And it's the first time I'd seen some of them and I had to study their actual names because

they're like, I just know them by their character names.

It's a weird, weird thing, but with Sasha, it is a complete out of body experience to be

talking to Sasha right before or right after when he's in like complete, you know, prosthetics

or whatever the case may be.

And he's talking in this fresh accent and it's just very weird.

Yeah.

I'm even thinking like to go back to trying to find you say one or two percent of people

like wouldn't know.

So you have to go through all these people.

So once you set it up and you hope you get the right stuff out of whoever like the target

is going to be for this, do you then also have to fade kind of maybe their kid comes with

them that day and they're like, oh no, you're being set up.

We do everything we can to make sure that they are coming along.

Now sometimes you're dealing with people, you know, like if they're politicians, they

might have handlers and we have, I can tell you some crazy stories.

It's a great question.

Nobody has ever asked me that before, Pat.

There's this thing in who is America where we did the gun, it was called the Kindergarteners.

I don't know if you remember it.

It was a 10 minute piece where we had a bunch of sitting congress people like advocating

for guns for three to six year olds.

And we had Dana Warbacher who was a congressman in like Laguna in Orange County.

He had been there for 30 years and actually was famously, there was somebody who was Paul

Ryan on the steps of Capitol building had said about Dana Warbacher that he is the only

person in Congress who has more ties to Putin than Trump does.

And so I, and for this one, like Sasha really wasn't involved, ended up going in and like

getting an interview with him and showing him some, yeah, I can't tell exactly where to

show them.

But making it seem like this was a total normal thing and he advocated for this, this

program.

Anyway, getting back to your question, there's also a guy named Joe Walsh who used to be

a congressman from Illinois who switched sides, I think, after what happened with this,

but his wife was there in the background and he's going on and on about like arming

three year olds, four year olds, five year olds and talking about the Rita Ora and the

Cardi B and like all this stuff that we gave him to say, he's just saying it full throw.

His wife is 20 feet behind me listening to this whole thing and I'm like, oh my God.

So there's sometimes he can't avoid it.

There's one time we were with Bernie Sanders and we had to do, he had a handler with him

and there's somebody who I work with, her name is Alexis who's one of my favorite people

in the world.

I've worked with her on everything for the last 10 years.

She's actually the one who brought me on jury duty.

I brought her on some other projects and we both worked with Sasha, she's good luck

and blind and Bernie Sanders has this this handler who's a little young and everything

and she was flirting with them and everything and at some point myself and Todd Schoeman

grabbed Bernie Sanders, brought him into the elevator and Alexis was keeping the handlers

and all of a sudden the door is closing and Bernie's trying to get us and he's going

to be fine.

We'll bring him up in a second and there's a lot of, it's like a heist, it really is.

Yeah.

Does that make it, does that make it more exciting on set?

Oh yeah, yeah, I love it.

I absolutely love it.

Like the adrenaline that goes with it, my favorite one was O.J. Simpson.

We had O.J. Simpson for who is America.

Sasha was playing this Italian billionaire, a geo and it was going to be a, oh my God,

Nathan Fielder was actually the director for this, which was very cool and very bizarre,

but it was a hidden camera thing in Las Vegas in a hotel room and I had been in contact

with O.J.'s lawyer about this thing like then the whole premise was Assad, the dictator

who I think is dead now, right, from Syria, mass murder and everything like that was going

to have a huge birthday celebration on his yacht and wanted O.J. Simpson to be there.

And O.J. entertained this.

He was obviously going to pay him a lot of money.

I'm sure O.J. was in debt a lot of money to his lawyer and everything from legal fees.

And so I went to the lawyer's office in Las Vegas about 30 minutes across town and traffic

and I remember Sasha being very concerned because I was going into this guy's office like

on a Sunday and he thought it might be his setup and I was really not nervous about it,

but he made sure that we had security who were like maybe ex-Massad or current Massad

posing as homeless people or people, how's, I don't know what the piece is, anyway.

I was right outside the building to make sure that I was safe and I went in there, got

O.J. to sign the thing and then proceeded to get in a car in the back seat while his

lawyer drove 30 minutes across town and I had the greatest conversation about football

I have ever had in my life with O.J. Simpson, where, and he just, he was actually the finals

of my fantasy, it was like December 13th, it was my 40th birthday, oh my god, does that

come back to me.

And O.J. were talking about fantasy football and I'm like, I'm actually in the finals

right now and O.J. is like, I got into the, in a fantasy football in prison and I won

it two years in row, he's telling me about all that stuff and I'm like, well, I'm actually

in the finals right now, I showed him my score and I'm like, look at him, I'm killing this

guy right now.

So O.J. Simpson, I'm like, oh my god, and I like, it's out there, like, you know, who says

and I just had to like pretend like that was totally normal because he definitely didn't

kill anybody, but we talked about Walter Payton, we talked about, you know, Jim, I'm a huge

various one, Gail Sayers, he said it was the greatest ever, Walter Jim Brown and talked

about his days of playing for 30 minutes on the way over.

And then there were two blind females in the lobby as we were going off and they were

enamored with O.J.

And he like gave them attention before we went off and I just remember he did the thing

and he had a couple drinks in the thing with Sasha and then came down and those two

blinds were still there and he didn't think anything of it, but I know I think they hung

out for a little bit afterwards and I hope those two blinds are still around, they look

strikingly like Nicole Brown Simpson, God rest her soul.

So I hope they're, I'm sure they're fine, yeah, I guess it's no longer, yeah.

Yeah, I guess if we're playing the game of does anyone not know who Borat is?

I guess there's a ton of people who don't know who O.J. is, so yeah, O.J., by the, and speaking

of that, O.J., we could not that there's some people you just can't that you just have

to like cross your fingers go on camera, Sasha was doing a different character geo at the

time, so nobody had ever seen it, but about three hours later, I got a call from O.J.

and his lawyer or actually was his lawyer and his lawyer's like, yeah, O.J. is laughing

in the background.

He was like one of maybe two people in the hundreds of people who have been on camera with

Sasha since I've been there, who he was laughing his chair and he's like, that was Sasha

Baron Cohen and I had to deny it the entire time, but he was right, it was a smart dude.

But one of those, if you have to get everyone to sign a release beforehand, what do those

releases look like?

Because obviously they can't be fake, they have to be truthful, but do you have to get

them to sign it like as early as possible, just so he, oh, really, the exact opposite.

You get them signed up after, we, not after, right before is our trick, I don't know if

he's given too much away, but the best thing to do is like, when they're excited about

it and they're getting miced up and it's like, oh, yeah, it's almost like a formality,

like we need to sign this.

And so like Dick Cheney signed it, you know, like nobody's ever really, maybe one person

has ever really not signed it.

Some people might have red lines and we have the greatest lawyer in the world.

It's just a regular one page release.

And within it says that we have the rights, you know, for blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And you know, who reads things like, you know, you're going on, you're giving your, you're

going on Google, you're downloading something and, you know, there's thousands of words

that you're just like, okay, check.

But it's a one page thing and, you know, for example, we had the top, we filmed something

with John Ashcroff, who was the attorney general, like the top lawyer in the country.

And just signed it.

I think there's a little bit of hubris involved in it, you know, Dick Cheney, Bernie Sanders,

like there's rarely anybody who doesn't sign it.

There was one person I can remember who didn't sign it.

His name was Ted Coppel, who you might remember.

Do you know Ted Coppel?

He was on ABC.

He was, like, he was the, he was the news broadcaster, right?

New broadcaster.

New broadcaster.

And we filmed with him during who's America?

And he wouldn't sign it.

And talk, and I was on the phone with our lawyer and our lawyer is like, you know what?

We can argue without a reasonable doubt that especially him being a news broadcaster, knowing

there are overt cameras on him the entire time that he is very aware that we're being,

that he's being filmed the entire time.

So that was like the one exception where we filmed with somebody where they didn't sign

it.

And it was great.

So.

So when you guys are building out a team for all this is, yeah, Sasha, producers with

ideas, and it's like, is the next step get the best lawyers possible?

Or is that come second after the idea?

We have, Sasha has a lawyer, he's been working with for 30 years, and he's the greatest

lawyer ever.

And he's the nicest guy in the world.

And just, you know, you can tax them, call them, and everything, especially with, with

Sasha needs to be legally approved.

We have a joke, he, you know, we'll write legally fine, which I want to come up with a series

legally fine.

I think that would be a great title for a series.

I don't know if it's like a late night, like, cinematics, like, like, law firm or something

like that, legally fine.

I don't know.

But we'll work on it.

But he, yeah, so, you know, there's still people that sue because it's America and you

can sue anybody, but Sasha's never lost a lawsuit.

And we ever, you know, he's, the lawyer I'm talking about is just the best.

And just always there, and everything we do needs to be approved by the lawyer.

Let's get back to jury duty season.

Okay.

So you guys cast, so you end up with you, you vet the main character, you make sure that,

like, what's on the questionnaire when you try to find out what this guy doesn't know

and does know, so he can be perfect for you guys.

Hey, you know what, I don't even remember at this point.

But, you know, we give him, like, scenarios possibly, but it all needs to be couched in

the idea that he is coming and working for a company.

And so, you know, you can lean into things like, how are you with other people?

Like if this were, you know, hypotheticals, you know, of just giving hypotheticals, I don't

really remember.

But, you know, if this were to happen, if you were to see an employee do something like

this, how would you react to that?

And so, those are the kind of things that we, we, you know, want to find out from him.

And the second part, when you cast the employees that are going to be working with them, so

you have to go and get actors for all of this, what's the background you're looking for?

And how do you find people that are both good enough to do this?

Maybe there's a ton out there, and I just, you know, I'm not in the industry, I don't

know.

But also, I wouldn't say, so unrecognizable that someone wouldn't walk me like, oh, I saw

you in this.

Yeah.

For that, we have the greatest casting director in the world, her name Susie Ferris, and

she casts a season one as well, and does a lot of things.

So that's all like out of my realm.

But then also, like they come in, and we talk with them, and, you know, sometimes somebody

may end up being replaced at some point, because they're not taking on the role the right

way or really understanding how immersive this is.

And going to the cast, and I'll just take the opportunity to talk about this cast, season

one was a little bit different, where everybody is their own individual person, and they have

no shared history together.

So you didn't have to be, and we weren't buttoned up, but, and they knew all their back

stories and everything like that.

This is exponentially harder for everybody, and I keep saying that, but also the cast.

I would, I don't think this is hyperbolic to say, I know it sounds like it.

This is the highest degree of difficulty, any acting experience ever in any form, any

format, any media, whatever you want to say.

These people needed to live, breathe, and be these characters for two weeks, and not

only that, and the difference between the first season, I don't know, is this too much

gesture?

You can go full DB if you want to.

The difference between this one and the, and the first one is these people held jobs.

This is for a hot sauce company, and most of them had been working there for years.

It's a family run business, and in any family run business, you have shared history with

everybody.

You've touched points with, you know, your coworkers, and like need to recall stories from,

you know, like have things set up.

We're like, you know, oh, you have three years ago, we were a dinner at this thing, and

remember when that happened, and then also the, the whole idea is they do this company

retreat every year.

So they need to have stories from like previous things, and they all need to match up.

Like if one person talks about a story from five years ago, and somebody like messes

up the story and says something different in front of Anthony, like his antennas will

be up.

Like, wait, they, you know, might call them out.

So they not only needed to know their backstory and who they are, they not, they needed to know

everybody else, and what the relationship is with everybody else and have touch points

and history and stories, they needed to know the history of this business.

And beyond the history of this business, for the first two days we filmed was all in

an office that we made it seem like it was a real working hot sauce company, and we needed

to make it.

So if Anthony is walking through the hallway at any given time, because we couldn't control

things, and he's, you know, we're trying to control his movements, but he could walk

past an office.

You need to be doing work.

The salespeople needed to be on the phones, like type it on the computer.

The receptionist is taking phone calls, so we're calling in, and like, it's this incredible

world that is, I have to credit, I mean, have to, like it's Nick Hatton and Jake Sismanski,

the director, and Nick Hatton is the executive producer.

I worked with Nick on, with some Sasha Baron Cohen stuff, and Jake is the director from

the comedy background, and the amount of work and thought and mouse trapping and like web

design that they really needed a spearhead, and we're all part of it, you know, making

it happen, and you know, is incredible.

And yeah, Jake is one of the greatest guys in the world, one of the funniest guys in the

world has just, and Nick as well, Nick's one of my favorite people ever.

And what Jake does, especially like dealing with the cast, and having all the camera movements,

and then there's this gentleman, Nick Kristarnell, who's also one of my favorite people I worked

with on a bunch of Sasha stuff, and this and a few other projects, and he's the master

of setting up shots, where to put hidden cameras, how to put hidden cameras, and for this,

I don't know again, going back to the technical stuff, I feel like, I think there were like

80 cameras, or something like this, over this vast resort, because people could walk

everywhere, and to have that all hidden, there was one time where one of the cameras behind

a one-way or two-way mirror, I don't even know what that is, but like the camera's behind

it, and you know, in the front, it looks like a mirror, but at some point, and so you

have to have a dark doubt behind, something had fallen down, and the camera had a light

on it, and you could see it through the mirror, and thank goodness, one of our overnight producers

was walking through, and saw that, and flagged it, before Anthony can get up the next morning

and see that, because if he would have seen that, he would have known there was a camera

behind there, but yeah, where were we, Pat, where are we, Simon?

I think we were talking about casting, so is there a, so is it just one person who writes

the entire thing? Is there a team of writers that like, hey, here's the, here's my concept

for it, here's how many people we need, and then a bunch of people work to flesh that out,

or do you come up with a, like a brief concept of what's going on, cast the roles, then work

with the actors on what the backstory is?

There are a team of writers, who, and then there are individual writers who take on each

episode, and, but everybody has their hands in it, and then, you know, but it is scripted,

it's, it's a scripted series, and there are certain lines that have to be hit, now that

being said, you're not going to script 24 hours a day, or let's say eight hours, like that

would be the craziest script ever, so it's, you know, very much improv, and I, you mentioned

I think yesterday, like curvy enthusiasm, yeah, there's a lot of things that are bullet

points that we need to try to hit to progress the story, but, you know, the actors have,

have leniency to do things in, you know, their own voice in their own way, but also there's

specific things that we really need as far as script or word said sometimes, and then

when we're doing interviews, you know, I'm doing interviews along with Alexis Ampietro,

and you'll hear her voice, you'll hear my voice, and sometimes the actors will have earwigs

in their, in their ears and it's Jake in their ears, saying exactly what needs to be said,

that's not all the time, but, you know, and he's got a team of writers in there with him,

you know, coming up with what would be hilarious, and then also letting us know what we should

ask to prompt stuff sometimes.

Does the cast get together before you guys, does the cast who are going to be who are supposed

to be having work together for 20 years or 10 years, five years that have these shared

experiences, do you get them together first so they can build up a little bit of camaraderie

familiarity before you bring him in?

There are weeks, more than a month, you know, I'll never forget the first time this cast

all met together, sitting in a room, and it was, you know, they're telling stories,

talking about themselves, and then we stripped them of their real names, and they went by their

character names from that point on, and had, and we would give them Jake, would give them

a nick, would give them little tasks, like little reports to talk about, you know, as it

progressively built their backstory, and they got more and more comfortable with what they're

talking about and who they were, and then, yeah, we would run through it, like we would go through

every single episode, and we'd have like a plant to play, you know, his name was Aaron,

great guy actually sat next to him last night at the screening, who was a writer for Sasha

for many years as well, in an incestuous world, but great, great guy, I just had a kid,

and he played, and we had a few different people, play the role of who Anthony ended up becoming,

and so throwing little curved balls, but like going through it, with the cast, and we spend

days on each episode, going through all the movements, everything needed to be choreographed,

they needed to know exactly where to go so the cameras can be there as well, it is such a fine

tune machine as much as it possibly can be, but also just a total high wire act the entire time,

but yeah, we, there weeks of training, of rehearsing, and going through absolutely everything,

so they were as comfortable as possible, that being said, there is no substituting

for a real person who thinks this is a completely real thing, and a normal thing, and everybody is

on the same level. Was the audio easier this time because it was a faux documentary that you could

actually mic people up? It was sort of the same, so the first season also was a documentary.

For some reason I'm thinking about many different cameras, and like, do you still have to hide

mics all over the place? Yes, hide mics all over the place, we try to keep, you know, especially

Anthony mic top, there are sometimes where, you know, we're like, oh shit, we forgot to get your mic,

you know, we've got cameras all over the place, we didn't have any cameras in his cabin,

or anything like that, or you know, obviously in restrooms or anything, but yeah, there's cameras

all over the place, and you just sort of forget that you have a mic on at some point, it's just

human nature, I think. But yeah, the first season was a documentary or doing a documentary about

a jury trial from, you know, jury selection through the final verdict, and this was a documentary

about a family run company, with Doug played by the amazing Jerry Hauke, who is in the show

Paradise. Oh, the news show? Yeah, and you might have seen him in, like, it's always

sitting in Philadelphia, he plays the owner who is retiring, and thinks he's going to hand the

company over to his son, played by Alex Bonifer, who was in the show Kevin Ken F himself,

and in a bunch of great commercials, he's in a pizza hot commercial last year for March Man,

as I remember, he was pizza the hot, I think, something that peaked the, and he plays this buffoon,

basically, the owner realizes he can't pass it on to his son at some point, it's not a spoiler,

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Did you guys, did you guys have to like buy the naming rights off of Paulie Shore to get Jury

duty? It's so funny, when you say, when you say Jury duty, like, have you seen Jury duty? Oh yeah,

I think so, the move, there was a movie or something, and that was a Paulie Shore. I have seen

Jury duty, like 40 times. It came out when I was seven, and it has Paulie Shore, Tia Carrera,

coming off Wayne's world, isn't it? What a classic. It really is. It is, and I think it's like

some 10% on Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, it's so classic. Don't watch it as an adult.

It's the best. It's you know, man, it was one of my favorite movies ever, and yeah.

But like, is there a conflict with that with two things being named the same thing, or is

they like copyright expired? I think copyrights, well, we'll say copyrights. I have no idea.

I mean, maybe we're just, you know, hanging off their coattails, I have no idea. I feel

Jury duty is like a pretty common name. I never know how that works. But yeah, I don't,

I don't think there's been a lawsuit or anything like that. I'd wonder what Paulie Shore thinks

about. I wonder if he's seen it, if he thinks it's better than his, which is obviously not.

I would have to think that he would think that it's better than his. He must know that his is not good.

I don't have money for it. So he's probably, and maybe he's making money off the naming rights

to Jury duty. I have no idea. Maybe we had to give him some money. But, um, on that note,

I think there's something that I think I mentioned to you, like in the first season of Jury

Duty, a little story that like nobody knows one of my favorite stories. And James Morrison's

an executive producer, I think in perpetuity, I'm Jury duty, I'm not exactly sure.

But in season one, James Morrison obviously plays himself. And at some point, you know, we needed

to have everybody, everybody's an actor, but Ronald signed this thing to say that he gives his

rights to be on the stockumentary. And like I had this thought. And I'm like, there's no way

Ronald would believe that James Morrison, you know, who's, you know, the mega star,

and everything would sign to be on this little documentary for Jury duty.

So we started coming up with that. And I remember myself in Alexis would have phone calls or

fake phone calls. And we'd have conversations with James, like James, like, all right, you gotta

sign this. Like we don't want to blur your face out. We want to use you in this, in this documentary,

like, what can we do? Who can we talk to? He's like, he talked to my manager. And so we'd have

conversations with James's manager and like agent in front of Ronald. And we'd be like, okay,

okay, that's totally acceptable. Like I understood, like, but we really want him part of this.

This is a really cool thing. What we're doing, we're going to have major distribution. I

obviously like, what can we do? And blah, blah, blah, blah. At some point, and this is all off

camera or on camera, but it was never shown. We ended up naming James. I'm like, in the

in the big talking head interview, I'm like, you guys big announcement. James has signed the

paperwork. He's going to be part of this documentary just like you. We're not going to have to blur

about. And he's actually going to be a producer on this thing. So we, you're new producer. James

wires. Then I remember there were a few times I like during the interview, I'd be like, you know,

double checking with James. Are you like, is that an appropriate way to ask that? Are you okay

asking that? And like checking in on creative with James and this whole like meta thing that we

played out at one point. Yeah, it was, but I don't think anybody's ever, ever heard that. And I thought

that was a cute little story. How do you end up on James Marsden for this? Like you have to,

like, is he, does he help develop this to someone know him? Like, because if you're going to get us,

like a real person, a real celebrity to be in it, because obviously they need to be vetted too,

that they can do this. Like, how do we control the punches? I don't know if it was originally James.

I think there was some other thoughts. And then I don't know how it ended up being James.

I think somebody has a connection with James. But on that note, like what James Marsden

brought to jury duty, not only with just his name recognition and everything like that and the

storyline. But there were times, like, we're like, holy shit, is this going to work? Like, what are we

doing? Is this crazy what we're doing? You know, we've never done it before. And we thought

that we can do it. And it's almost like this giant Ouija board where everybody's hearts are

into it, especially the first jury duty we're coming off of COVID. And nobody had worked in years

or at least like a year plus. And everybody's wearing masks. And everybody's just fully into this

thing. And there were times when James, like, I don't know, like, you're telling me I should do this,

like, is this okay to do? Like, because he was sort of a dick, like an alternate version of James

Marsden, which is the furthest thing from who James Marsden really is, is the greatest guy in the

world. And the trust, the amount of trust that James needed to put into us and this concept and

everything to be fully in and engaged and be sort of like, play a dick version of himself

through this concept that had not been proven with everything that he had to lose more so than

anybody else. I just can't thank him enough. I'm so grateful. And everybody, so grateful that he

went with this fully headfirst into this whole thing to the extent that he did.

Yeah. And then brought me to one more thing. Like, we had mass on. I'll never forget doing interviews

with our mass on. And there was, there were a few times where, you know, you can't break. Like,

this is hilarious. Like, this is definitely hilarious what's going on. But when you're doing an

interview in front of Ronald or Anthony this season and the whole thing, your headspace, my headspace

needs to be, this is the most normal thing ever. It's not funny. This is a documentary. And like,

if I break, like if I'm thinking about the meta version of this, like how this comes up,

and I definitely broke in the first season in interview, there was, I don't remember exactly

what was said. But I knew that if I went to Ron, the Asian character who speaks of broken English,

he was with last night who's the greatest guy in the world and his wife carries incredible.

If I went to him, he would say something. And I was trying, and that would make me just crack up.

And I'm like, oh, fuck, oh, fuck, I need, I'm supposed to go to him. And I went to him and I started

laughing. But I'm like, there's a mask. And thank God there was a mask. I feel like I would have

blown it. But I made sure to be more in character in the second season. I mean, that's that I wasn't

the whole first season. But there was just one moment a couple of times where I'm like, this is so

funny. Then definitely broke a couple of times. And then on that note, we've camera people. They're

the entire time. And there's basically the same camera people who do like Sasha stuff who are

used to being in there, while knowing it's a joke, but having to make it seem like it's the most

normal thing ever. And camera people have their own tricks of what they say to themselves or try

to just disassociate. So they're laughing, but they're only human. And it's so again, anybody

could have blown this at any given time. No, we really didn't have a fallback contingency plan.

But it's just amazing. It all worked out. How do you both the casts do see the premiere together

for season two? It was so cool. It was so so cool. I got the chills because it was like this

fraternal thing. You know, the first cast was, I mean, so special, so special in everybody,

because we are all in it not knowing what it would become. And they became like almost like

folk heroes, especially for our second cast, you know, knowing that they are in that same position

sort of. And they're unknown people for the most part and are going to get to a level. And all

of a sudden, be at Emmys and red carpets, God willing, you know, I'm not kind of one here.

And be thrust in the spotlight. And it was so cool. And the amount of hugs and kisses and

conversations between the first cast and the, excuse me, the second cast last night was just so

heartwarming to see. And I loved it. I loved every second of it. It was so cool to see. It was,

it was, I don't know, I was going to say it's something like, you know,

it's not like having two ex-girlfriends getting together, not at all. That's what I was going to say.

That's not even close to what it is. I need a good analogy, but there's really nothing like it.

But you know, it's like seeing your kids in two different things. I don't know. I don't know

what the analogy is, but it was really cool. And I think they're going to stay in touch. And Ronald

was there as well last night and met Anthony. I know he's been coaching Anthony a little bit.

And now maybe coaching, but just telling him what he can expect. How great this is, because it's

a total mind-fuck at the end of the day. It's a real, real mind-fuck, but we also,

you know, we have the best people and the best handlers with them afterwards. And also, you know,

making sure psychologically everything's okay. And Ronald and Anthony, we knew would be able to

handle this, being so sure of who they were, and knowing that they would make the right choices

the entire time. And he just incredibly, like, you know, heartfelt people who are genuine.

And that's why we cast him. And so I gave Anthony a big hug to some pictures with him.

I was facetiming with my son as my six-year-old son as I arrived. And Anthony came up and

erupted and like, your dad's a hero. I'm like, I'm not even, this guy's a hero. I got to meet his son.

And it's just a cool, cool thing to be a part of. And I'm really grateful.

How weird is it for the two main characters now? Obviously, he said that they were talking to

each other, what's all, it's telling him what to expect. Like, to see all these people, again,

that you knew one way, but now you know aren't those people.

Wait, how weird is it for them to... Yeah, like, they spend two weeks. They spend jury duty,

working with these people that are actors. And then, you know, after the fact, they find out that,

yeah, they're actors. They weren't this person that you met. How weird is that for them to see them,

even, like, see them three years later? It's like, oh yeah, you're not that person that I got to know,

you're this random other person. It's so weird. It's gotta be weird. And that was the biggest

concern with all the actors. In first season and second season, going into the reveal. Like, I just,

you know, I've, you know, really connected with this person. And they think, and they have,

these actors really had to, like, it wasn't like forced on them or anything, but just for them to

pull off the job that they did and be the people they were. You know, we also, Susie, cast amazing

people who have real hearts who aren't, you know, like Hollywood douchebags or anything like that.

And I guess there's a stereotype with Hollywood people, I don't know. But they're just normal people.

And just, yeah, that was a huge concern going into the reveal. The amount of angst

and anxiety and stress level and probably lost a sleep for our cast for both of these reveals

leading up to it was really tough because they really did connect with Anthony. They really

did connect with Ronald and they're great people and they're very, very worried that they would,

that these people would think, you know, Ronald and Anthony would think that,

you know, that they're not genuinely that person. Each cast person really brought a lot of

themselves to the role. And that's by design to make sure that, you know, we're not,

there's, that their heart is really in the character that they're playing. So it's not that much

of a mind-fuck. Ultimately, it's a complete mind-fuck, but as much, it's a lot less of a mind-fuck

as it could be. And they really did connect with Anthony. I'm sure you'll see in the eighth

episode as we did with the eighth episode in the first season. They kept in contact after the

reveal and everything. So Anthony got a chance to know them a little bit better. And yeah,

they all love Anthony and I can't speak on Anthony for everybody, but I would think Anthony

appreciates and loves every single person he got to live with for two years or two weeks.

Well, thanks for reaching out, man. And always playing, playing the PME,

where you listen to me and Jeff breakdown golf. Absolutely. My dad and I got my dad into this

into the PME years ago. I've been long-time listener and go back to like just after the big

willet break. I mentioned yesterday where I think I don't know what place we're in, but we're

up $500 right now. And the PME open should not have picked Shaftler last week. Can't believe we did

that. It was last week. We're like going sander, Louie, Fitzpatrick, cam. Those were the four

people and then we're like last second. We're going sand. Sorry, not sand. We're going to Shaftler.

Yeah. So you actually do the same thing that I do with my dad, Tango does with his dad. Like you

split a one and done team. It's the greatest. My dad is the greatest guy in the world. And he's

now I'm thinking that he's probably going to watch this. So it's getting weird. That's not going to

cry. But you know, I used to I grew up in high school like I was doing fantasy football in 1990,

1991 in middle school. I used to go to the bars and watch, you know, 10 TVs at once. And yeah,

so been doing fantasy and got into fantasy golf like 10 years ago. Love it. And there's no

better content out there. Don't even listen to anybody else except for you. And you and Jeff

especially and obviously cussed and you know, Ross and all the other stuff that you guys do.

But those Monday shows and fine birds hilarious and see a lot of myself. I think in fine burn,

both Jews and grew up in. Yeah. And I would like to say I have the type of love for the

bears that fine bird does for the chargers and fill a river, but not the case. But like I was

telling yesterday, like I remember where I was for the 86 Super Bowl on that old. And it was at

the Giants game in the playoffs in 1986 when they won 21 to nothing. You'd never forget

like Shawn Landata hunting and the ball completely missed his foot and Shawn Gale picked it up

for a touchdown. You got 21 nothing. The win came in and like I've never seen a puncher just

miss a ball. He whipped a ball in the playoffs. It was weird thing. You should go back and look

at it. But I'm done. What am I talking about? I'm sorry. I'm taking. I appreciate you. I

appreciate you reaching out. Absolutely. I appreciate you. You're amazing. Best in the business.

Thank you. And yeah, very cool. Listen, no power outage today.

No. Was that weird? Because I think you were still talking and I was just gone.

I was talking. Yeah. When I'm for like an hour and Jared's like he's he's he's done. I think

something I thought you hung up because I was so bad yesterday. But I was a little nervous

that you're going to try to mirror the little bit that we filmed yesterday with today because I

shaved my beard and I'm like that's not going to work. I did wear the same shirt though because I

had to hung up outside of my home office. Yeah. And yeah, you have to have like the on-air

wardrobe. I don't wear the on-air wardrobe outside of being in the studio. People don't do that

enough. You got to keep it looking fresh. Totally. Absolutely. And you got to feel good when you're

putting it on. Also, you don't want that outside air coming in and all of a sudden you're talking

and then, you know, your mind goes sober else. Why did I not I'm not clean right now? Okay.

Better than I'm going with it. We'll be in touch. Yeah. Everyone. Absolutely.

jury duty season two on Amazon Prime. Is season one on Amazon Prime now, too?

It is. Both. Well, by the time this comes out, they'll both be on Amazon Prime.

So if you haven't seen jury duty season one, it's not an necessity to see it first,

but see it first. And then go on our season two. It's all going to be great.

Yeah, you can watch. You can watch the first three of season two and then you're going to have

to wait for the rest of the season to come out. Then you should watch all of season one.

Yeah. In the yes, watch. That's a great plan. I love that plan. Do that. Pat, thank you so much.

I really appreciate you. This was awesome. Have you ever been on a podcast before?

And next time you got a project coming out, let me know or if you got some like,

if you got like behind the scenes, bachelor stories, I'm here. I got some stuff. I got some stuff.

I mean, unfortunately, it was like 10 years ago at this point, but there might be some things

coming out somewhat soon. All right. Did you? I was going to show unreal. Yes.

Pretty dead. And yes. And yes. Yeah. The person I worked with on a show called Coupled,

which was a Mark Bernard dating show. We did one season. We went down to Inglis. I was amazing.

But the show was shit. Her name, Cassie, Skeletar, Lambert, Skeletar, one of my favorite people,

and still know which name goes first, but awesome. And she was apparently the impetus for the main

character. And it was weird because the exact on our show Coupled was actually the exact

for that the impetus for the character was. So it was like having both of those characters

that I was working with on the show Coupled. Yeah. And I don't know. You want one more quick

story or not? Yeah. I got like 35 minutes. Do I got to pick my kids? No, no, we're not going

down again. I have to go. I got some stuff going on. But when we were filming, who is America,

we were started filming down in Atlanta. And Eila Fisher's good friend, who was like in the

dentist street profession or something like that, was sort of in between jobs. And she swore that

this person can help out with the field team. And so we needed a little, you know, little

extra manpower. We were outside of California. And I'm like, okay, like let's bring her on.

Actually, it was Todd who brought her on. Todd Shulman, my mentor. And she was so great.

And her name is Ashley Underwood, one of my favorite people. And she was so great in the field,

when we filmed the first six weeks in Atlanta, that I'm like, we need to like bring her back.

Like we're going to film like another year on this thing. We really need her as a part of this.

Like, can she come back to California like asked her and everything like that pushed for her?

She ended up like making the jump and coming to California. And obviously she's Eila's friend.

But gender Californian about a week later was at a party where Larry David was.

And ends up meeting Larry David. They totally headed off. And that's Larry David's wife,

Ashley Underwood. So yeah, I set up Ashley and Larry apparently. I don't really take

credit for it. Now I am. That's pretty random.

Pretty random. Yeah. And Larry, one of the great guys, obviously.

So I'm done with this. I got more stories. I'll tell you the next time.

Yeah, well, you know, in part two, we'll get to those. Jordan Cone.

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