Amy DiGi on Community, Craft & Handmade Bitcoin Art | Bitcoin Art Podcast w/ Asanoha Ep. 2

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This is the Bitcoin art broadcast with Osanoa.

Today we are featuring Amy DG.

Is that the correct pronunciation?

Yeah, it's from my mother's maiden name DG.

It wasn't for digital at all.

It fits perfect with all of our lovely online and non-sudent.

It's just by accident.

This is the Bitcoin art broadcast, the show where we explore how Bitcoin isn't just code.

It's culture, philosophy, and yes, art.

Before we begin, I'd like to give a shout out to sponsors, patrons, artists that have made the Bitcoin art magazine a reality and have made it possible.

Thank you to everyone who has ordered a magazine from us.

And thank you to all of our wonderful sponsors in the magazine.

These sponsors are all hand selected by Kisa and I.

All of our sponsors are companies or products that we use ourselves or would recommend to our friends and family.

We have a pretty highly curated collection of sponsors.

We do not accept sponsorship from anybody, only good Bitcoin only companies.

And a big shout out to all of the artists in the magazine who have contributed artwork to make this possible and who are out there in the world, such as Amy DG.

Making beautiful wonderful Bitcoin art and helping to propel the Bitcoin revolution forward through the lens of art and the culture.

So once again, today we have Amy DG on the show.

Thank you for taking the time and I'm going to open it up with will you tell me a little bit about your childhood and what sort of environment you are raised in.

And who would you say were the people who shaped you the most?

And if I any question I ask you don't want to answer you can just say next question and we'll move on to the next question.

Okay, so I grew up outside drinking from a hose.

I'm part of that generation that was just on a bike and we came home when the street lights went on and nobody kind of nobody watched us.

We just we just congregated at a park, rode around all day long, came home, we were a little hungry and left again.

If the sun was out, we were out. That's we weren't in inside much.

And wasn't until I got to high school and I met my high school art high school art teacher, Sherry Terkheimer.

And she she just shaped my life, man, she gave me the keys to the art room and in a time where, you know, maybe that wasn't it's not allowed now.

I was a teacher. It's not allowed now, but I was allowed to go in there and make art.

And and that's what really I think what really started getting this whole art thing off the ground.

I I it's just it like there's a there's a when you say drinking out of a hose outside there's an nostalgia to that.

I you know, I think I was the last one of the last generations that was kind of at the tail end of that what I would consider a golden age of humanity where where it was, you know, that was just the norm and you you did you ran around outside.

And it's it's sometimes funny to think about I think these days, like, oh, wow, like we were like just like out there, like on the street in the street cars and down the road and across the neighborhood and like.

And it's the times have definitely changed, you know, I hope maybe maybe through Bitcoin, the the world can move back to a, you know, a safer safer place.

And which where we can let our kids go run around in the street with the cars.

It's it's it's kind of crazy to think now that I feel like it's the you know, there's there's people out there that are that are that are scarier than the cars in the street.

I feel like it wasn't always like that, so I drink water out of the hose man.

Thank you, that's my kid drinks from the hose and my kid pees behind bushes.

Goodbye, and he he's in the world he's going to be nine and he's in the world of technology.

Yeah, but he I don't think he has like the patients to sit down like like he we all move our hands in our house like I'm always making something my husband's always building something my son is always everybody's never sits down like we could do for a little bit and then and then we're off and then somebody's got to go do something.

So it's in his nature to move so I think he's got like a really kind of good balance of both.

But I also never gave him a phone when we were shopping at the supermarket I never gave him a phone because he was bored, you know, like we always talked we always did something but but technology was was not the answer for me and him.

Yeah, no, that's a yeah, that's that's I'm happy to hear that he's drinking out of the hose.

You've been making art since a very young age yeah, and you had the keys to the art room.

Was there a moment in your early life when you first realized that you saw the world differently from most people around you or from many people around you.

I was always like a little different.

Oh, that's Amy. Oh, okay.

Yeah, he was always a little different and you really care what people thought.

Not in a mean way, but just like this is my little world and I'm happy here and that's it, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, like I was and I was always happy making something I was always happy.

My hands were moving it like always right in my world because I can control it.

However, it's also so out of control, you know, like you think you're going to master painting and then it kicks your ass and then you're just like, wow, wow.

I don't know anything, you know, it's like no matter how much you learn and grow painting drawing and printmaking.

It will always it will always be smarter than you or tell you what to do at times.

Like you're always learning as an artist, I think.

I couldn't agree more.

I have quite a bit of experience in like construction and fabrication and so forth.

And so I often will think that I am.

You know, I get an idea for an art project and I'm like, oh, I know how to do this.

I use tools and stuff.

This is going to be easy and and it's like, you know, you're like, I'm going to build my own frames.

Yeah, yeah.

And then the degrees just off a little bit and then your frame is just a little off.

Yeah.

It's so true.

Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, I think the key is consistency.

The more you show up, the more you do it.

The more you those little bumps in the road, the more you know that you're like, all right, I'll figure it out.

Like you have more confidence that you could figure it out.

It's going to happen.

You know, like it's Murphy's law.

It's going to happen.

But as you do more and you show up every day, you're like, okay, yeah, I, you know, I fucked around.

I knew this was going to happen.

And all right.

So let me go back a few steps before the problem happened.

And then I'll just figure it out from there.

So I think I think it becomes less monumental.

You know, and it becomes like more of a challenge like the determination.

I'm going to figure this out.

I'm going to figure it out.

And then that's all you think about until it's figured.

And yes, absolutely.

Okay, hey, if you're willing, will you tell us a memory from when you were young?

That was profound.

Something that maybe moved you deeply or that shaped your psyche in a way you still feel today.

It goes back to art.

It always does.

Like I was, um, I was young.

I was about 15, 14, 15 years old.

And the same high school art teacher she told me.

She said, you have to go to life drawing classes.

Otherwise, you're not going to get into Pratt.

Pratt's a prestigious school.

And I, we grew up in our school was poor.

I mean, that's super poor, but we didn't, we didn't have, it wasn't an art school.

And we didn't have models modeling.

So she asked my mother to pick me up on Thursday nights and took me a little upstate New York.

With another teacher.

And, and I went to like college life drawing classes from, I don't know, seven to 10 at night every Thursday.

And that's where I started really drawing and, but they're nude.

So it was kind of crazy.

You're like kind of drawing a nude person next year, a high school art teacher.

Then you go to school on Friday and it, you know, all the other kids are like, hey, how's it going?

You're like, it was, it was, it was a necessity to get my portfolio where it needed to be.

She knew that the school didn't offer it.

She knew if I didn't have this experience, I wouldn't get into the school.

And so sometimes I, what sticks with me is sometimes you just got to think outside of the box to get to where you want to go.

And, and that was the answer.

Because it changed my portfolio.

Yeah. Did you, and then did you end up going there?

I did, because we went to prep portfolio day.

Like, prep opened its doors to younger students once a year.

And you brought your portfolio and somebody would review it next to their criteria.

And they would be like, well, you need a little bit more of this and you need a little bit more of that.

And had I not had that life drawing those life drawings inside my portfolio, I don't think I would have gotten in.

And oddly enough, years later, after I was in Pratt, I, I reviewed people's portfolios.

Amazing.

That's crazy, right?

Yeah.

So you're, you're an actual, so you're a trained artist, a child and an artist and a trained artist.

Yeah.

No, that's, that's so cool.

I came to art later in life.

So I never got the art school experience.

It was, you know,

I did not because the student loans were astronomical to go to school.

And, and I think the best way to be an artist is just through practice.

It's just through practice.

And especially now with the internet, you know, like you could, you could find all these tips and hacks.

But when I was in school, they didn't exist to be, you know, so that was the route that I took.

And that I took the debt with it and you figured it out later.

And then you don't have any of that debt.

Good on you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I, I will say that sometimes I'm a little envious of those who had a bit more of a, of a, of a formal training.

So I think I really learned how to, to paint.

And Pratt, I focused mostly on drawing.

And then Pratt, I focused mostly on art education.

And then it, I really learned how to paint from the art student sleep when I attended there.

So I was, I went, and I worked like as an assistant, as a monitor for Joe Pellar and for Mary Beth McKenzie.

And, and that's where I really learned how to paint.

And so that didn't, I didn't get debt from that because you could work through school.

So I worked in the cafeteria.

I worked in the library at not the library.

I worked in the gallery.

So you could kind of work to pay for your tuition.

So, but that's where I really learned how, how to paint.

So it's possible to, you can get the formal training without the expenses and without being graded, without the judging, without the, the critiques and all of that.

It's possible.

But you know, same, it's like the same thing that I've learned in here.

Like your, your ear has to be on the pavement to hear the whisperings because sometimes, sometimes the path is not very loud.

So you have to kind of like, you know, rummage through some stuff to get there.

It's the same in Bitcoin, same in crypto, same, it's the same, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, finding the signal amidst the noise.

It's true.

Yeah.

All right.

Hey, will you tell me, I guess, when did you, when was the moment you decided to make Bitcoin art?

All right.

If you remember that moment and or just how did you get into making Bitcoin art from?

Oh, I went absolutely the long way.

Absolutely the long way.

So there's a Maro.

He's in, he's in Bitcoin.

And I met him.

We were single travelers traveling around Europe when I was very young in my early 20s.

And through, so this is where technology kind of helped us because through that technology, Facebook, whatever, we all stayed in contact with seven single travelers.

And then five of us still keep in contact.

And he would come to New York as a full bright scholarship.

And we would meet for dinner and stuff.

And he's the first person ever to say, hey, you got to get Bitcoin.

And I'm like, okay.

And I didn't hear of it.

Like I'm standing in front of an easel painting, right?

So he says, ah, you need to get Bitcoin.

Okay.

And then finally said one day you, your work needs to get on the blockchain.

Okay.

How, how, how this was before there were you two videos.

I wasn't on Reddit.

Like I'm just kind of blind feeling around in the dark and nothing really came up.

I mean, I think at this point, I think I had to hire a coder to try and get the art on the blockchain.

And I didn't know coders.

I was in the physical art world painting.

And there's a big resistance to crypto in the physical art world.

I think there's enough for everybody to go around.

Like if you want to paint physical paintings, plain air paintings outside, then you do you.

You want to make plain air paintings and make frogs of Pepe, you know, then I'll do me or Bitcoin.

Like it.

And so I think there's enough to go around.

But when I was learning, like just in the beginning stages, I couldn't.

It couldn't make headway.

I was lost.

And then he finally said, get your work on the blockchain.

Open met a mask.

Open.

Get your work on open sea.

So I did.

And it was like a lot of just anything I had.

I had my hand touched.

I was like, oh, mint this because it was the lazy minting.

Oh, mint that.

And then I went through, you know, I went through what, what was it?

A known origin.

I applied to makers place or something form function, nifty gateway, like trying to find my way.

And then, and then finally I found Pepe and started making some Pepe's in like quietly in the closet.

And then I got to share them because, because I just, I didn't know if I belonged.

And the same with Bitcoin, like I know, I don't know if I belong.

But you do, I do belong.

We all belong.

All belong.

And so going through manifold and getting my figuring out my own contract and getting on foundation and,

and all of it, then finally I found myself making Pepe and then I found myself making Bitcoin art.

Just being, just from being around.

And the Bitcoin art that I had, like nobody wanted it and I still have it.

Just on the floor here, you know, like it just, it didn't go anywhere.

And I didn't even know the channels to make it go anywhere.

So I just started making it without knowing the life that it may have afterwards.

It just was in me. I don't know. And I like orange.

I like orange.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

Well, we're really excited to be featuring some of your Bitcoin art in the upcoming edition of Bitcoin art magazine here.

So I'm really happy. I feel like I kind of kind of like, you know, discovered you in, in a way,

because I think that I was already working on the magazine here.

And I didn't, maybe we'd run into each other and some chats before,

but I was kind of working on the magazine already here before I got to know you.

So I've, it's just been a pleasure so far and you've been so supportive of everything.

And I feel like you, you belong as, as much or more than anybody else right here.

So.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, do you have any good, any thoughts or any.

Or any.

Like Bitcoin artists and Pepe artists like physical art.

So when I was doing all of that stuff in open sea and on foundation,

I didn't figure out the physical side because I, because I'm not, I mean, I can work in digital.

But for me, I, I want to make physical work. I want to make things.

I want to feel texture. I want to smell ink. I want.

And, and so after I started putting stuff on open sea and somebody collected it,

maybe, you know, digitally, in the beginning, nobody really wanted the physical work.

Nobody, nobody wanted anything really to do with the physical work.

I said, I'll mail it to you. Maybe if you were my friend, then somebody would be like, yeah, mail it.

Other than that, people in the beginning for me didn't want the physical work.

And then so that's what made like Bitcoin and end-to-pepe stuff so physical that it just aligned with,

with my whole world that I've been painting for a very long time now.

And nobody wanted the physicals. And now people do. So, so that was a big change for me.

Yeah, that's it. It's a, I guess that's a question that I have for you is tied to that.

Do you, like, would you have any, what's your perspective or kind of opinion and experience having had some experience with like,

you know, the NFT boom of the last cycle and mouth, it seems like there are a lot of people that are kind of leaning more towards physical.

I've actually talked to, you know, I am full of people, but, you know, like recently a gallery,

like a digital art gallery and they were, he was mentioning to me just like, you know,

leaning more towards the physical and so do you have any like thoughts or perspective from that in that, you know,

like, what is the bridge between the digital and the physical and like,

where do you maybe think it's going or where do you feel like it's gone?

I don't know.

I do like the provenance of it, of it, and there being a record in case something happens to the physical,

that there's a record of the work because, because I put everything I can into a painting, you know,

and I never settle, it's never good enough.

It'll, I think about it in the middle of the night, I dream about it.

Sometimes I'll get up in the middle of the night.

I will calm downstairs into the studio to just repaint something that I'm seeing in my head at night

and there are fires, there are water damage, there are things that get lost.

I was painting in Long Island, I made a painting, and I put it on top of the car, we drove away,

and then the painting was gone, and then we couldn't even fight it.

Like, so that painting is officially lost forever.

I really don't even know where it is.

You know, so I really do like having the record of the work.

But to me, there's nothing, there's nothing like physically painting and the texture and the smell and,

and making digital art for me, it's so, it's so fast, it's so fast,

like you could just, you just drag the little color dot and you bring it over and it changes.

But if I want to do that with the painting, there's a different process involved.

And I think every layer, like, if I'm painting to change a color, sometimes the color underneath comes through,

and it creates this beautiful, you know, Bob Ross happy accident that would never have occurred if I just dragged a little digital dot.

I mean, I have so many friends who just do the digital art, and I just, I love their work.

But for me, I love, I just, I love a paintbrush in my hand.

I love printing. I love drawing.

I love being dirty on my hands, not dirty, but, you know, on my hands.

Yeah, it's interesting. I, you know, I had, I was, my time spent with NFTs was quite short,

and then I just pretty much moved to the physical only. And, you know, I think there's, you know, it's an evolving landscape,

and there's, you know, I think it's kind of unfortunate that so much of the, that there were,

that there has been as many, you know, just pump and dump money grab kind of scams with the NFTs,

and it really kind of gave it a bad name when like inherently it, it's core, it's not, you know, like a digital certificate or a digital print.

And if it's, you know, sold in an ethical way and someone's collectors like want that, there's nothing wrong with it.

And, you know, it's been kind of, in some ways, marred by these like, you know, VCs, greedy VCs, you know,

paying influencers to like pump some PFP collection and like, it felt like it quite quickly lost the,

you know, a lot of the space lost the, you know, the value of the art.

Like it felt like it went kind of, in some ways, fiat and modern art style, where it was like just about like, you know,

who's got the best marketing team to like pump some, you know, totally just auto-generated crap that they made.

And then that's what's popular. And, and so I feel like it's a little unfortunate, but there's like, you know,

but as far as physical goes, there's nothing like something physically you can touch and hold.

And also something about like, you know, at the end of the day, we're humans. And like, are we going to live our lives in an Apple Vision goggles?

In, in some like digital art gallery metaverse or like hang TVs on our walls to display NFTs, you know, or is that, you know, a passing fad and, and, you know,

at the end of the day, most humans are and hopefully will remain at least, you know, in this physical realm that we live in and have been living in for a very long time.

So, so, so this is my little shelf from Cody, right? He said Samurai. So I, you know, you don't have to show us the sword.

Oh, here Cody made this for me. This is Ebony. And this is Copabolo. And he made this like Samurai sword because I made these Pepe's and they were all Samurai.

And then he got into a kick and it's a handle. I mean, I hope that I just love it. And then he made this to hold it, right? And it, it's a chain link. It's just amazing.

And it's in this, in this beautiful box. And I kept looking at the box and I kept looking at it. And I'm like, there has to, this has to be repurposed because this is going to hang on the wall over the mantle.

When I get a mantle, we just have a fireplace. There's no mantle. So this is going to hang there. But this has to be repurposed. So, so I put little shelves in it. But while, while I was putting the shelves in, I was watching the Titans of Hollywood.

And it was in the beginning. And it was so motion pictures started. Then, then they put, they added music and how somebody added the music and then how some one other company and the Titans, like the big companies and everything.

When, when you look back to where we are now, that's where all started. And they, I think everybody had to kind of, they were forging this new path. And so you've got to kind of turn over every rock and go through the growing pains to come out the other side.

To figure things, like this has not been done before. The NFTs, this whole world has not been done before. The movies did the pump and dump to and, but then when you kind of look back at Claire Bow and Al Jolson, Jolson, I think his name is, you know, like how, how things started.

I think everybody was just trying to figure it out and find their way. And there's always the good side of things that happen and not the good side.

But because it's never been done before, nobody knows the right way. For me, do I, would I like, like, okay, so here's what happens on the screen if I'm not using the TV, I guess Google, whoever, you know, whoever in the TV turns on these beautiful photographs.

And at first, I'm like, hey, I never said you could use my electricity. And then I started seeing the beautiful photos. And I'm like, oh, that's really pretty.

And so do I want an entire digital world? No, you're talking to a physical artist. I love, I love the physical work. But I think, I, hopefully, that we're all just kind of going to figure it out and make the best of what we're doing for, for humans, for humanity.

For visual art, whether it be on digital, whether it be, and like, I don't know, because like I said, I got sucked into the photographs. And I really thought that they were pretty, you know.

Yeah.

But there's scammers always. I mean, then I started watching Enron.

There you are. There's going to be scammers, you know, like, so, so this, so why is a human? Would we think that this space would be untouched by scammers when the banks are doing it and Enron did it? You know, like, I think it's just part of human nature.

It's some point for greed. I don't know.

I hear that. And I think that, you know, maybe one day with, with some sort of hyperbit colonization, you know, I think it's idealistic, but a dream of a world where there's less, you know, less desperation and greed.

And, you know, I can only, it's only evident that much of that is driven by the fiat, the fiat system of, of never ending money printing.

So, you know, maybe one day we'll get there, but as long as, you know, the majority of the world is living in this fiat system, I think it's just kind of hardwired in that there's going to be, going to be scammers. So I hear you on that.

Hey, I got, I've actually got your to, I've got, I've got two of your paintings here and I believe that these are both going to be featured in addition one of Bitcoin or magazine.

So I wanted to pull them up on the screen here and just ask you a couple of questions about them.

Let me pull these up onto the screen.

See, I wouldn't need to do that.

Okay.

Well, while you're pulling that up, I just wanted to say, like, for a long time, I didn't, I didn't believe I belonged with Pepe.

I didn't believe I belonged with Bitcoin.

I didn't believe that I belonged in this space because I'm, I'm not technical. I don't know code.

I don't, I mean, I've read the white paper and, I don't know, the third sentence and I'm like, oh, like there's so much to read and it really isn't just a half a page.

And I am reading the books and I do have it on in my ear, when I'm on my walk, like to learn everything about Bitcoin.

But like I said, like my, my brain works in color or in physically moving paint is where my brain works.

So I could listen to things and, and I may not retain them, you know, but my heart is there.

I'm trying because I love making the work and I love, I just love the community.

Yeah.

I fully hear you on that. And I, and that's a big part of, I think the, the goal and the mission with, with Bitcoin Art Magazine and this platform is, I mean, I'm not, yeah, I, I, I fake it technically.

But, you know, I'm not a coder or a trader or finance. And so when I discovered Bitcoin, I was, it was kind of like, how, how can I be a part of this.

You know, I'm a, I'm a autistic artist, a creative and, and so I, I look forward, you know, I, I think the, the art space around Bitcoin, I think is amazing.

And I think it's a beautiful way to put in, and it's really important because, you know, working on conceptualizing something that doesn't actually exist tangibly beyond, you know, data centers of, of minors and so forth.

It's really important for conveying what, what Bitcoin is and what, what is the human feelings and emotions and, you know, humble attempts at conceptualizing it.

What are they? And how do we share it with other people, something visually that's not, you know, what did you say?

The magazine itself, right? And if, if I just saw this, I, I would be kind of intimidated by it, right? Because it's very technical and there's, it's a real circle.

And if I draw a circle, mine's like a little more wobbly. I always look for wiggle room. When I see your work, it's very technical. It's very, like, if there's a straight line, it's a, it's a straight line, you know.

And if I look at Onyx's work and his little lines and the balls and the lines and the balls and, and I'm just like, thank God he made the video because I really, even though I saw the video, I don't totally get the entire math, my math doesn't math.

The magazine did was inside the magazine is there's, there's like this kind of art too. You know where it's, it's not all mathematical. It's not all slick. There's like graffiti work in here. There's grill all, you know, like, um, it just, it didn't, there's not one way to, to make the work.

And that's, that's where I started feeling like I belong because I'm making a painting of a typewriter from the 1930s. And how does that fit in to what we're doing and, but then I'm like, well, that's the precursor to the computer keyboard was that typewriter because the letters are the same.

Like that's the beginning of the tech where we are now. And, and so I think seeing all the posts from the Bitcoin art magazine that that you've been posting.

It is open my eyes. It is, it has given me more permission to belong if that makes sense that that every kind of ideas valid and I don't have, I mean, I drive a car and I don't know how the car runs.

And I don't have to know how to mine Bitcoin to appreciate it and love it and love the people in Bitcoin. And it just made me feel like it's possible. Like, Amy, just paint. Stop thinking and just stop thinking and paint.

Well, I, you are an absolutely incredible painter. I've got you are a typewriter pulled up on the screen right now. And would you tell us a little bit about the, the process of behind just making this.

I just want to say this is one of my, going on my absolute, I just, I love this painting so much. I don't know exactly what it is, but something about just the gradients of the colors behind it.

And, and just the textures and it's, I think maybe a part of it. It's a, it's a, it's like a style of painting that I never learned how to do.

And so there's, you know, I love that when I see artwork and I just, I still get that kind of, it's still kind of wondrous to me, you know, I think as the more you learn how to do technical, you know, the actual application of certain artworks.

They become known and then it's not as like miraculous, but when, but every time I see artwork that I'm like, I don't like know how to do that myself.

I still kind of get hit with that on inspiration that I think drew me to art in the first place.

So we're going to be featuring this in addition one of Bitcoin art magazine.

And will you tell me a little bit about this?

Well, thank, thank you for your kind words because I think it took years to get to this point to paint like this because there was a point where I would make paintings that even I would cry and just kind of want to give up where I would get the pat on the head.

And then I would like to give up my clients painting Amy and no matter what, I just kept showing up showing up showing up and eventually I get to the point where.

So I guess what happened dramatically to me was a long time ago, I spent more time drawing and then when I learned or started switching to painting, everything got lost in translation and then everything got more lost in translation when you're working with oil because oil is easy once you.

You've got to spend the time with it to get to know how to use oil paint and it took and the only way to do it is through painting so.

I was reading all of my Bitcoin books and I saw this the quote that says if you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try and convince you sorry.

I saw that quote and I was like wow that's that's just beautiful like he's not being mean he's not saying you know well if you don't get it then you're less than and he's not saying it's just it's nothing personal is just saying you know if I don't have the time to convince you if you want to get it is great if not it's great.

But I'm going to kind of do what I'm doing and so I read that quote and it kept like rolling over in my head.

So maybe I don't get the numbers you know like like like on it does the math a mapping and I don't do the math a mapping and but the cool kept I kept going back to it and I'm like it's just it's just lovely and so then I was like well how how could I use that in a painting like how I want.

I want I want to paint that but how am I going to how how am I going to not validate it but how am I going to ask somebody to look at that quote with my how am I going to ask somebody to look at this painting for something that I've I fall in love with this quote.

I don't know for some reason but it hit me I don't I said I want to see it like typed out on a typewriter and then that was the like the precursor to the computer keyboard and it's all connected and I'm thinking back then like all of those steps brought us here to this point of Bitcoin.

And then like the other technical side was how am I going to show a white paper that's on the typewriter if I like what I put gray behind I put them why would I put blue and then I'm like at the orange the orange with the black typewriter just made me tingle I just loved it.

And so that got solved and then I really I drew it from life so I'm staring at the I'm not good in my imagination but I was trained probably through the life drawing to stare at what I'm painting so I'm pretty good at staring at a boat at staring at a typewriter staring at a human and making the work while that is in front of me.

So I had this setup and I had all this like orange cloth I put behind and my son is kept touching the typewriter and I'm like don't touch it until I'm done like stop like stop stop but like you can play with it later it's my mother's typewriter right.

She got it at a garage sale I'm like just stop don't move it like leave it alone and and he so finally he did stop and the only key that he had pushed down was the B and I almost fixed it and I'm like oh I'm like what are the chances and so if you look at the B key it's Bitcoin it's not just there it's not like the others it's different and that's the one that he pushed down I swear it's a family affair we got going on here.

Then right around Halloween it was on the easel and we were watching wrestling this is where the samurai project came from.

There's wrestling we've watched all the anime like there's a lot of fighting I got a sword and we heard something fall and I know the sound they didn't but I knew the sound and I walked into the studio.

And I'm like you got to be kidding me so the typewriter fell off the easel and it actually I thought it was okay but it had a gash in it and and I wanted it to be very public that there was a gash in it and then I asked Kafka and I asked other artists and Pepinardo subterranean as Pepinardo and we're all trying to like figure out because I've never had a hole in a painting out of all my years painting.

There was never a hole in my painting unless I put it there so meaning I put it there because I bought cheap canvas and I just wanted the wood behind so you cut out the cheap canvas and then I would put like a better canvas on top I would stretch it myself and but I've never had a hole in the work.

So there there was a hole in this painting that ended up getting fixed and then everybody is so kind they were like oh that's so so she's not commoto spirit in there.

So what so what I did was I patched it with I have this painting the singer painting. Am I on screen at all or no?

You are and yes we can see that yeah.

So this painting I actually have this sewing machine in the studio but I used a piece of canvas that I stuck underneath the foot of the sewing machine and I drew lines on it to make it really look like a quilt so I said how am I gonna fix the typewriter so the prop that I use to make in this painting is what was glued to the back of this one to fix the typewriter so the two of them are like forever destined to be together.

So anyway the typewriter is fixed and then that's the story of the typewriter.

But I think I cried about I cried again about it when I saw the whole I was like it was so emotional because this painting took a long time to make and dreaming about it thinking about it I got a cook dinner and I'm like what I'd rather be painting this thing but people gotta eat.

Yeah it was just this emotional roller coaster but I think when I'm doing my best work I'm fired on all cylinders so when it's when I'm finished with a with a painting session I'm absolutely exhausted like it just.

It taxes me you know because you constantly looking and seeing shapes do I move it like I had to move the keys over and then my mother took a look at it she's like yeah looks a little wide and I'm like.

Really think so you know like it just goes through these kind of phases of changing it to get it to where it is and then finally it was finished.

I love this painting I do I love it and I love the big Pepe one oh this guy the infinity 21 million I love that guy.

Yes tell tell me a little bit about the so I love that lore of the of the of the way that you repaired the typewriter and it's and it's just it's just forever got got a part of the the sewing machine on it.

Now I've got the sewing machine pulled up on screen here now you got to tell me a little tell us a little bit about this one as well.

Oh so the sewing machine started my friend this is from a friend's mother's her mother's typewriter and it's been sitting in the studio for a very long time and it's always one of those things where I keep saying yeah I'm going to get I really want to paint it I'm going to get to it I'm I really want to paint that I'm going to get to it and it never kind of fit into.

My ideas of what paintings I wanted to make and and so I started thinking about how I was learning about crypto how I learned about Bitcoin and I kind of learned about Bitcoin and bits in pieces right like.

I'm a little drab here little drab there like it but it was never linear and maybe that's the artist's way like I kind of think and loops and circles and and so I kept thinking about like.

I'm really like patching Bitcoin information together like I'm really kind of patching it together and when I read it in one of the Bitcoin books that I've been reading or like in my ear and to do the audible and I download the book and those people out there do things in a linear way and so the dates started going like a calendar and not me just saying oh this is pizza day.

But where did it start you know that's website day no this is white paper day to me I patched them I had like all these bits of information that were kind of like the quilt like.

And then so the books helped me kind of start sewing the bigger picture of what Bitcoin was in a linear way like I needed somebody to hold my hand and walk me through history in the way it unfolded as opposed to me hearing like like August I would hear infinity day and I'd be like okay so now I've learned about infinity day and then.

Then then so infinity day is August but then come October then it's the white paper day right so everything is mumble jumbled for me and and then I said well I'm like I'm like sewing Bitcoin information together and this makes sense to do it this way and I know there are other dates that really computer people probably be like well you forgot this date you you didn't put this date in but the dates that I put in.

Kind of stuck out to me and so those are the dates that I put on the quilt but it's I think it's pretty cool right like like I love oh sorry then this is pretty big though but I love like this is this is like the website day right when when it was the first time that there was any trace.

Publicly of Bitcoin it was I think it's like Bitcoin dot org or or whatever I have it because my brain does not retain like I said it's the website yeah and then and then on the 31st it was the white paper day so and this is the Genesis block day and this one is January 9th and this is the first block was mind.

And then this one what is on the twenth the twelfth oh the the first transactions from Satoshi to healthy and then I'm the pizza day and and so like even now I still can't in my brain remember the dates in a linear way it's just it's not I just wasn't made that way and I know people are made that way but I'm not you know so so I tried it down to

kind of remember but this was I was I not only was the painter but at the time I'm sewing information together and I thought this is perfect but but also another layer is for me I come from a time where my mother sewed like a Halloween costumes for us or from a time that if

If you're if you're pants your jeans have whole they were mended you didn't just go and call Amazon to bring you a new pair and you wore those things until you got another hold to the point where they were sewed so many times somebody finally broke down I was like okay well let's get our pair jeans.

I know you use things and I know that there's kids out there on the internet that are starting to darn socks again and put in buttons and stuff like that but I think for the majority of the human race right now Amazon is the is the answer as opposed to you know you could just fix this yourself right and you could just sew it but but when I was growing up I also had homec and my Miss Brown she ordered these

stuffed animals and you could pick from a catalog when you bring your money in and then you sewed your stuffed animal but I don't know they have like really homec any more in school for sewing so

and an Amazon is not always the answer you could sew the shit yourself you know yeah it's pretty crazy to think that you know there's I mean I I don't actually I don't know because I would say though you know a sewing machine

especially an old one like this used to be such a you know a much more common like everywhere and everybody or you know many people had a sewing machine and today like very very few people have a sewing machine and probably a lot of kids would look at that and have you know not even know what it was.

Before I did this painting as a no I made this and subterranean for them to Bitcoin last year and I didn't have a lot I only made a few like I had this idea I did this print I have the print somewhere right here so I did this print with a little Pepe and I kind of if you do an addition you kind of on the honor system

integrity as an artist if I say there's nine additions there's 69 additions there's artists proofs that I made that sometimes are just part of the process like maybe I printed this I could take this out so maybe I printed one of these lines and the line was crooked when I saw it printed so then I go and I cut my car back into the linoleum and I make the line a little straighter and you can print it again

and you're constantly checking and then you reach a point where you're like okay this is good for the run so I don't I don't want to throw out all those other little bits that I have because I love them but they're not part of the addition right so I said

I wanted to keep printing this I loved it right and and so I said well what can I do to keep printing it that wouldn't

Disrupt the integrity of this print and so I said let me go upstairs and I got a pillow pillowcase and I started cutting it up

and and so I printed it I printed it on a pillowcase and then I I have a regular sewing machine that other one I'm too scared to plug in I think it'll cause a fire

Too scared I won't even plug it in but I started sewing these together and I sewed it with green thread and I'm I'm not the best seamstress but my heart is there and then I kept sewing

Like all the handles inside and then I have to cut them all out again and get the handles back out or whatever so

This bag but then it led to making like these bags so then I started printing on these bags and I started hand-painting them I love this one from dark farms, right?

The smallest toe

It's always toe but I also made a painting and it's the smallest painting hold on I have it right here look at it says the smallest painting

And I love it but I don't know what I don't know what to do with all this work because I just kind of keep making it and then it I just go on to the next project you know

Well take get good photos and listed on your website and and I'm hoping to

To as time moves on here be able to help be more of a marketing arm for the Bitcoin

You know that the decentralized global Bitcoin art community so make sure you're you're getting good photos and uploading or good scans and uploading your works on your website because I was just on there and I'm going to pull your website up real quick

Just so people if anybody's watching this right now

Make sure to go check out Amy's website

At Amy DG that's am y di

GI that's am y di g i dot com

And I saw on here you don't have your typewriter or your or your or the sewing machine on here yet. So you got to get those off on here

But okay, yeah, I do like but we just got through Christmas and

I want to birthday party and we got like two and a half feet of snow and war is coming

But but see that that's part that's okay. So two things how do people feel about buying

Bitcoin art with regular fiat because to me that kind of seems like

A little wonky

I would rather be able to sell Bitcoin art and accept Bitcoin for it

But I'm not like again. I'm not a super genius at about how to

Figure out how to get that done

And here's the other caveat I'm interested

But not that interested like if I have a choice to sit in front of my computer and put things on my website or if I have the time to go make the work

Like making the work always wins like

Making the work will always win for me. So I'm I'm my own problem. I get it

Ha

Well, you just let me know if you ever want help with the the payment rails and I hear you

I do now accept fiat and I for a long time I only accepted Bitcoin on my website

But there are a lot of people especially new people to Bitcoin who aren't comfortable or maybe they're not doing the spending

Replace which they should be doing

So they don't want to spend their Bitcoin, but they will you know put it on a card

So I do think it's you know, you might as well give them the fiat option

Most stuff we have to buy these you know in today's day for the most part

It's still in fiat unfortunately, but I absolutely love your infinity

21 Picasso Pepe and I really like this run btc hat you've got on the van go book

I love that I love it right here look so this one

Let me show you right here

This one I made because

I felt like this was me it's me I drive a Chevy

Like I'm just a regular kind of mom driving around town going taking my kid to Taekwondo

And I love I love the van go and I love how about Bitcoin is in in the beginning

Not so much now people are more used to Bitcoin, but in the beginning

I would say anything about crypto or Bitcoin. I was looked at like I was insane

And so van go was also looked like like he was insane

I mean technically he did have a couple of demons in his head

But maybe if his life if he was more supported in his in his artwork that he

Like he channeled

These feelings maybe if he was more supported other than his brother Theo and the world

Like what if the world who supports the van go now the dead one

Was around to support him when he was alive

But people considered him to be kind you know like crazy and he did go to asylums

But we value his work we love his work, but so so if we value Bitcoin in the beginning

People thought that I was I was doing such wrong things some people you know and yeah

Feeding me like I was insane and to be honest like I kind of I'm already kind of treated insane

It's like well, he may just makes art. He just makes art

That's nice honey. You know, but I work my ass off and so this painting for me is like yes

I want to see Bitcoin run. Oh, yeah

In the meantime, I drive a Chevy and I'm treated like I'm crazy for

being an artist and for

For loving crypto with Bitcoin, you know, so this felt like me

I that makes I have that is the most more than I could what let us a better

Description for that painting than I then I could have ever asked for thank you for sharing that and

I love what you're saying about van go and and it's almost in relation to Bitcoin entirely

With the world treating Bitcoin like it's crazy. Yeah, and

You know one day it's it's going to more and more every day, but one day it is it's going to be valued

You know by the whole world like van goes artwork is now valued and and so you know

It's that's a pretty that's a really a really wonderful painting that is I love how you know out the gate. It's got a

It's got a planar feel to it. It's it's very nonchalant and casual

But I mean the the the meaning that you just put to that there is just

Absolutely beautiful and succinct and I can only imagine every Bitcoin I can relate with that

You see and you don't think it's so deep you're like oh, it's like a trucker hat

And I love that it's a trucker hat out of all the things like then you think about the truckers in Canada

You know, and then didn't get their money

Bitcoin, you know, like so it's like it's a regular trucker hat and it doesn't look so deep

But it it is it you know because because van go was treated kind of insane, but okay, so there's records that he was I

I don't know okay, but I was treated like I was in danger

Being a painter and I had a conversation with somebody one time and they were like, but what are you doing like?

I have a bachelor's degree. I have a master's degree

I was a full-time teacher in New York City like I have all the credentials and here I was saying

But I want to paint and they're like, but just go to work and then paint and I'm like, but you don't understand like if I'm not painting

I'm not living by not making art. I'm not living

So what's the point of all of it so so I can go to work Monday to Friday

Have this job have the insurance and then be miserable like a 90% of the people, you know

I said that doesn't make any sense to me and and so that painting really

If it hits home, you know, but they all do you know they all kind of have

If I don't fall in love with what I'm doing then then then I don't want to share that with the world

Because I don't want to waste anybody's time with something that I threw up there and said it's good enough

Yeah

I would say that's something along the lines of the mark of a true artist

But without getting into what defines a true artist, but yeah, I know that's beautiful

Hey, so we're coming up on the hour mark right about now, but I have a couple more questions for you

Okay, sure

I'll try and give shorter answers no no no no

Everything I'm all of your stories are absolutely wonderful and and no this is this is fantastic

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And I mean, I love the integrity. I love old school books

I wouldn't rip it because I love I love it

But it kind of gets me a little man that it I want to take them out and frame them and put them up in the house like each

You know like

I wouldn't I like I get mad at kind of when people like use books for artwork because I love books

I mean, I have all books here

So I wouldn't I wouldn't destroy the magazine

But there's there is a part of me that is just like oh, I would love to just walk high and see

The work on a regular basis. Does that make sense? Absolutely, and it's it's your magazine now

So you're more than welcome to do what you want with it

I can't I can't do it

I'm

Anybody would be any I can only imagine any artist in the magazine would be honored if somebody were to actually rip the page out of the magazine and frame it so

I mean, that's what we used to do that's what I feel like you would do when you were a kid with with you know pages and magazines or comic books and stuff that you liked so

But I would say that I can see these being framed and being shown in a museum

Front and back to each side in a museum

Open to the public I'm putting that out there because with

Possibly I'm gonna I'm gonna curate this whole show in my head

Well, I got one more alarm going off, but we're still okay

So I do see the work and not only the work in the magazine being framed

But the actual physical pieces that that were in the magazine next to it like the physical work with the page in the magazine

In a in a big-time show

Hopefully soon, you know what I'm saying like the work is absolutely gorgeous

Thank you, and I almost I have some uncut sheets of a couple magazines

So that's actually a possible for us to do at some point is to frame the uncut sheets

And and display them so that's it's pretty cool. I do I do have a few of those and I actually I'm gonna my my plan here is to send each of the artists featured in the genesis edition

Um, and I'm hopefully gonna be able to get this for the next issue too. I'm not sure, but to send them

You know like some of the uncut sheets that have their spread on them and it's got like other artists on the back and stuff from the signatures

But it's just really cool seeing the printers marks before they like cut the pages out

Yeah

Wait till you have a staff because that's like that's a whole other animal now

You're dealing with frames and I'm like sending the work like oh my goodness give yourself a break wait

Little bit of a staff to help you out with these other projects because maybe those frame pieces is project in that department

And continue with the project of overseeing

You know the curation of the magazine you like this is it's a lot of teamwork stuff that's gonna have to happen because you're one person

And you're gonna work yourself to the to absolute bone, you know, I mean

Shout out Kisa our senior editor. She helps me out a lot. So I'm not all alone here

But uh, but it's it's it's it is a lot. I am going full time. Hey, I'm gonna do another little

sponsor shell and

collector shell and then

I've got a couple more questions. I'm gonna ask you and I know that you have to go soon here as well

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This is literally possible because of you guys and so I am gonna be eternally grateful that I've been able to do this

Thanks to all of you and thank you to all of the artists who have put up with me and my crazy 3 a.m

Probably DMs who knows what running around and

Thank you to everybody out there making beautiful art

Thank you Amy for making beautiful art and making beautiful bitcoin art and spending the time here with me today and I want to ask you

um

I guess what has been your favorite experience so far as a bitcoin artist now that you've been a bitcoin artist for a good little while

Or maybe do you have one one more really good story from for us about just the project you worked on or something special

I think it's the people it's the people pepe you know I was making pepe's in the closet and then um subterranean help me and oh I have to share

This is some book here oh yeah let's yeah see I'm like I think I should have gloves on when I'm looking at it

But if you've not seen the like this is somebody who doesn't do the circles that I do

Like he can go from point A to point B to point C to point D

And at this I'm kind of a circle person and Cody is kind of like a circle person

And then Kane is just everything, you know, so like these these are the three people

Really the ones that really kind of

Let me more and more to bitcoin even though I was I was making it

But subterranean is the one who sent me to you. He said hey us and I was doing this this magazine wanted you

Reach out to him and then that's how this ball got rolling so so I think the the biggest

Take away is

That the people in here are the people you surround yourselves are the ones that um

Got your back and are the ones that are pushing you forward even even if you don't think you belong

That that's the one the one thing is the people

I'm a really good community and a big shout out to subterranean. So

Yeah, it's the first one who I was handing out pepes at the at a gallery

I wasn't invited. I just like here have a pepe

They were so in me and they needed to burst out and so I just gave the prince out

And so the prince like like these prince are the ones I'm talking about

So I make I hand make these but you're the one who who's who's teaching me to get scans of my work

I've never had scans of my work

You should have seen me go into that place and Brooklyn talking to this guy

I'm like like so what are you gonna do and the machine is gonna like what take a plot like a picture

He's like just go get a couple coffee and come back and I said

But you're also the one that said hey get scans of your work

So if you want later you have the option of making prints not linoleum prints that I roll the ink

You're talking like prints from a machine. I mean, I'm a machine, but you're yeah, yeah, I was gonna say the

You know

I bet you your linoleum prints are gonna be more sought after some day than the then the prints very possibly than the prints of your paintings

Because those are those are genuinely handmade by the artist. So there's there's that there's there's a factor in there that

That no fine art reproduction print ever can touch right and then so this is like another thing like

This is bumpy paper and it has texture and

So I made this one first and then I made the batari first right for bitcoin and I loved the orange and the hobble and then I was like

Because because once you do an addition and you write the number you cannot exceed that number if I say I made

21 of these. Oh, this is an artist proof. So I was figuring something out still and this is an artist proof

I messed up on the colors on the top. There's a reason why they were artist proof

I also in the beginning I cut the strips of paper. Sure

And then you could see the space was big up here and then it kind of got skinny and I'm like

A math mathr could

You know do the right angle thing, but that's not me

So then I figured I'm like if I just wrap them around and glue the back

Then I know then I don't have to deal with that problem

And then that's how I address that issue because now it looks very clean. So so first

As people are like you're an artist. I can't even make a straight line, but I can't either

That about myself

So and then I had to figure out a way to avoid that problem

And and that was just to fold it around the back and then that's that's how I I saw that issue, you know

And that's also going to make the edge I can only imagine just

Just that wrap around on the edge is just really nice. So there's there's um you know like no chance of it peeling up or anything

Hey, so you're gonna have you're you're you're submitting some of these to

This gallery we're doing in Denver. This one's going to Denver. Not this one

This is an artist proof, but these are available on my website too, you know like but but I

I'm just not good at selling stuff

Well, if anybody's listening to this head on over to amdg.com and

Buy a print or buy a piece of artwork reach out to her and we are having a bitcoin art magazine gallery at the space in Denver

um

Thanks to scare city who will be hosting the helping us with submissions hosting the auction and it'll be

hosted on the scare city website

And so Amy will be sending some work out there to anybody listening keep an eye out for bitcoin or at magazine time space Denver time scarce or

scarce dot city and

We've got a gallery that we're putting together of a bunch of wonderful bitcoin artists

um some of which are featured in the Genesis edition and some of which will be featured in edition one which we are working on edition one

um

Right on. Oh, this has been absolutely amazing Amy. Thank you for taking the time today

Thank you for sharing us sharing with us such wonderful stories and explaining some of your artwork and sharing a little snapshot in their studio

um

You've got me feeling really inspired and making me want to put some stuff up behind me here

I've got it sometimes it's kind of plain and here right now and it makes me want to get out the paint brushes and kind of

You know pull out the

I kind of have got everything put away for for the magazine stuff right now

But actually pull out some of my art supplies and make some actual handmade artwork myself

Which I haven't done in a minute. So you're giving me the itch

Which is wonderful and

Yeah, I guess my last question is are you working on anything right now?

Um, anything new

If you have any ideas for something you're going to be working on any little sneak peek that you can show

I mean, I've been working on this but the holidays came and

And now working out of first-day party for my son, but um

At this came it's a it's a bitcoin baby and it's it's my son

But it's a bitcoin baby and it says mommy daddy hotdle forever and

Disselter is the one who came up with forever, I think or subterranean both of them help me just with the words and the idea behind it and because

We were at a Greek restaurant. We were eating and the waiter

He he was talking about bitcoin. I don't know how we started talking about it and he has his bitcoin on

Coinbase and I'm like you can't you need to take your your bitcoin off of an exchange in case something happens to that exchange

And and my son who's eight I've never had a proud or moment look at this man

And he says you don't own that bitcoin if it's in a marketplace

He goes if it's in coinbase, you don't own it and I was like

Love the boy actually he's the one who said it first. Oh, I was so proud of him

So like I'm raising him right. He doesn't have a wallet. I'm not putting his work out there

But he is learning and he does he does go to some events and he's met like he's met the sulter and subterranean and

Jolly and

Is it in each other in it swalja

But he you know, he's he's making the rounds and I told him I said if anything ever happens to me

I'm like you get on Twitter and you talk to people and they'll help you. Yeah

Well, that's awesome. That's absolutely

Epic that he said that. Yeah, he says you don't own it if it if it's in an exchange and you know, you know

Yeah, no, I love that. All right, so that that's that's a little bit more of a personal painting

I mean that one might I that one might stay in the

That might go might go to your son, huh?

May I don't know maybe I don't know like

The rule in this house is that she'll make more

It's not it's not that so much that it has to be of my son

But I would feel bad if I took anybody else's baby. You know like a copy

Weird when my sharing that but I do love this new generation of children being born

As big coin babies

Absolutely. I uh

I I think that's a wonderful a wonderful piece to share for the end of the episode here in that

Yeah, we're do we're all here. We're all doing it for the kids

And and that's why that's why we're doing this or at least at least most of us

Right, like you know, hot all this Bitcoin, but you have an expiration date. So now what now where's it gonna go?

You know, yeah, it's got to be generational wealth. It has to be yeah, and make it make in the world

You know striving to make the world a better place for for the kids for our kids and their our kids kids and so forth. So

You know, definitely awesome

I have to go get a child from a bus. So

He can have which Amy. Thank you so much for taking the time with me today with all of us and

Does anybody listening to this go check out Amy dg.com and make sure to follow Amy on Twitter

I believe it's just at Amy d i g i on Twitter

Yeah, and

DG somewhere. Yeah, so but I want to say thank you for your time too because you you are doing so much um for all of us

So thank you very much

It's my it's my pleasure and it's it's an honor getting to be here getting to do this and I'm just grateful to all of the artists for

Interesting me with this and and allowing me to do this. So

Thank you so much everybody check out Amy dg.com

head on over to bitcoinartmagazine.com

and

tune in on

Tuesday for on its show and then on Thursday

It'll be me again, and we've got you'll not box next week with me and then you're not actually gonna be doing

I think one or two maybe I think two shows a month that'll be with a a couple of different artists at a time

So we got some cool stuff coming up and we have a gallery at space denver keeping eye out for that

And um working on edition one so

Thank you for listening and thank you Amy for your time and have a wonderful rest of your day

Okay, you too. Thank you. All right. Bye bye

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