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And on today's episode, it's part two of this week's FANTAG Friday.
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I got Lucas Kaplan on the show.
2:03
We got a lot of questions about the Nets rookies.
2:06
We got some questions about the Nets fan base.
2:08
We got some questions about my lifestyle as a beer reporter.
2:11
So let's get all into it right now.
2:16
All of the Nets rookies have shown flashes during stretches this season.
2:19
Which of the group are you most confident can be a long-term contributor?
2:23
from Devon Cardwell.
2:25
And I, if I'm gonna answer this question,
2:27
it might sound a little bit like a cop out,
2:29
but I would probably go in the order
2:31
that they were drafted, roughly,
2:33
like, yay, Gorsaguy, that I'm the most confident about,
2:36
just because he has that shooting,
2:39
he has the baseline, like, field decision-making
2:42
and the size defensively.
2:44
Like, I think that that should give him a floor.
2:46
And then Nolan Shore, I'd say, is next,
2:48
who's shown, you know, a lot of good things
2:49
in terms of being an advantage creator, a facilitator,
2:52
I think, will be able to hold up defensively.
2:54
But then, if you look at, you'll be on that,
2:57
you know, Drake Powell and Danny Wolf,
2:58
I think, in the next group, the next two,
3:00
and then Ben Siroth would be last.
3:02
I think that I'm more confident about Danny Wolf,
3:05
actually, at this point, than Drake Powell,
3:08
in terms of his long-term outlook.
3:09
But Drake, I think, also, could be something.
3:11
I'd go to Ben after that.
3:12
So that's kind of the order I would put it in, Lucas.
3:14
What's your take on that?
3:16
Yeah, I think that the Danny Drake,
3:19
Nolan section of the draft, is probably, you know,
3:24
they're all probably pretty calm.
3:27
I think Nolan may be a separated himself
3:31
into the next tier with Yegor.
3:33
Yegor, again, I've written about his weaknesses.
3:36
He worries me from time to time.
3:37
But the shooting being what it was this year
3:40
is pretty undeniable.
3:41
And the size, I doesn't mask all of his issues,
3:44
but gives him something of a floor.
3:47
And then I'd probably, I'd give it edge to Nolan,
3:50
just because of the production he's shown.
3:53
I'll put him in maybe a tier of his own,
3:55
and then Drake and Danny, like Danny,
3:57
I think, has had more flashes.
4:00
Drake just has the tools and the age
4:02
that I would want to buy in on more.
4:05
But, you know, those middle three guys,
4:07
if you get a good rotation player out of any of them,
4:09
I'd say that's a win.
4:11
And I think Yegor has shown the best chance
4:14
to be a valuable rotation player.
4:16
And next question, also on the rookies,
4:18
do you think Nolan can be a lead point guard on an NBA team?
4:22
He was once slated as a top four draft pick.
4:25
That's from Dan Leahy.
4:27
And yeah, like I think he has the potential.
4:29
I don't think you can close the door on that,
4:31
but I think that a lot of that is going to come down to,
4:34
obviously, his development as an outside shooter.
4:36
Because I've spoken about this before,
4:38
and if you look at it, like the, you know,
4:41
him being an on-ball guy, like he's going to need
4:44
to develop a lot, obviously,
4:45
in order to demand that kind of usage.
4:47
And even then, if you're the next,
4:48
if you bring in one of these star type guys,
4:50
whether a guy threw the draft, whether you trade for somebody,
4:53
whatever, like if you have that lead usage type guy,
4:56
Nolan's going to have to be off the ball
4:58
And if you can't shoot from three at all,
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that kind of negates that.
5:02
So I think that Nolan has definitely shown the potential
5:04
in terms of the advantage creation, the facilitation,
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you know, being a pest defensively,
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which I think will get better as he adds more size.
5:12
The three point shooting is the thing for me
5:14
that is the drawback as it is with a lot of these nets prospects.
5:19
Yeah, I think that Nolan has to be kind of the high usage
5:23
ball handler in a group.
5:25
That being said, you know, the catching shoot numbers
5:27
are still not so bad.
5:28
They haven't, they weren't even bad last year.
5:30
I was really the off the dribble jump shooting
5:32
that he struggled with, which we've seen in Brooklyn.
5:37
Yeah, what did he, sorry to cut you off?
5:38
What did he shoot on catching?
5:40
What did he shoot on catching suits at St. Quentin?
5:42
It was pretty good, wasn't it?
5:43
I think it was 36, 37%.
5:48
Yeah, it was like, it was respectable.
5:50
It was low volume, but it was fine.
5:53
And even this year, you see, I've seen his,
5:55
it seems to me they've really focused on getting his shot pocket
5:59
a little bit higher, like this elbow all the way up.
6:03
And it's led to some good results.
6:07
St. Quentin last year, he shot.
6:12
And they don't catch the shoot.
6:13
Jumpers only 3% of his shot attempts.
6:16
That being said, or 3% percent tile rank,
6:20
but 56% effective field goal percentage.
6:23
So if you assume those are all threes, it's like 37, 38%.
6:27
Anyway, yeah, he's at, I just checked.
6:31
He's at 33.3% on like 2.3 catching shoots per game.
6:35
Catching shoot, threes per game this season.
6:37
So has dipped a little bit, but has dipped.
6:41
The kind of movement skills and ball handling
6:47
in really tight spaces, you know,
6:50
when I think about playoff projection
6:51
and facing top tier defense is still worrying me.
6:54
He has some questions there.
6:56
But the floater looking good this year was big,
6:59
is kind of a mid-scoring counter,
7:01
something in between that he can get to.
7:04
His ability to finish over the second half of the season
7:08
over the trees to blend that speed and touch
7:11
has been really encouraging.
7:13
So like, can he be a lead guard on a championship team
7:18
and like eat up like 25%, 30% usage, probably not?
7:22
Can he be a contributing point guard on a really good team?
7:24
I don't think that's out of the question.
7:26
And frankly, from where he was at the start of the season,
7:31
All right, next question.
7:32
I am concerned about Drake Pal.
7:34
I know numbers don't lie, combine numbers,
7:36
but he doesn't pass the eye test for me drives.
7:38
That should end with a dunk or off-balance layups
7:41
and defensive positions that should end up
7:42
with blocks or easy layups for opponents.
7:46
That's from Jesse A. Lucas, who can take the reins there.
7:50
Seems like, I'm not gonna bag him too hard,
7:54
but I don't think you're going to win.
7:55
I'm just, I'm giving, I answered lead,
7:58
I'm most of the questions
7:58
I'm giving you the reins on this.
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Yeah, I don't think you're crazy.
8:01
I think it's not been a great rookie season for him.
8:04
He's so young and the usage was so low last year,
8:07
like, I don't want to put too much on his plate
8:11
in terms of what I think the expectation
8:13
should have been this year,
8:14
but no, we haven't really seen the marriage
8:18
of force and physicality and athleticism.
8:22
So I think that question is kind of getting
8:26
Like, he's had some really nice, you know,
8:29
takes to the rim, but kind of driving through contact,
8:33
get some off-balance, again, he'll put on weight.
8:36
I don't think the defense of playmaking
8:39
has really been there.
8:40
We've seen flashes of it, you know,
8:41
that game in Orlando, he gave Desmond Bain some trouble,
8:44
but in terms of consistently like being a presence
8:48
on the glass or contesting shots
8:51
and in the passing lanes even hasn't been there.
8:54
So I think it's fair to be worried
8:57
that he is a combine warrior
9:01
without a ton of ways to access that athleticism
9:07
Again, super early, he'll put on weight,
9:10
he'll develop skills.
9:11
Some of the floor reading has been cool
9:13
for a guy with such low usage,
9:15
but I don't think the concern is unfounded.
9:18
Yeah, I mean, I think you just look at it
9:20
and offensively like, you know, it's tough
9:23
because he has these like drives
9:24
and these plays once in a while
9:25
where it looks like really smooth and encouraging,
9:27
but when you take a step back,
9:29
he's shooting under 30% from three
9:31
and like he shot 38% from three in North Carolina,
9:33
but it was on really low volume.
9:35
So the three point shooting, you know, percentage wise,
9:38
wise hasn't been there this year.
9:40
And he's just like not a natural like on ball guy
9:43
at this point, like he shows flashes
9:45
and maybe he can grow into it,
9:46
but it's like I, you probably get the same questions.
9:48
I get these questions from Nets fans all the time.
9:50
They're like, why is Jordy like putting the shackles
9:53
on Drake, like he, they need to empower him to do more stuff.
9:57
Fire, they sending him down to the G league
9:59
and I'm like, look like they're not putting any shackles on him.
10:03
He's just a limited player at this point.
10:05
And like, I think that was evident last year
10:07
in North Carolina and those people will come back
10:09
and be like, well, he had these veterans
10:11
ahead of him at North Carolina.
10:12
They didn't let him do this stuff.
10:13
And it's like, if you have two coaching staffs in a row
10:16
who you're saying aren't letting him do this stuff,
10:18
like that's just, that's not the case.
10:19
So I mean, what do you say to that?
10:21
Because a lot of Nets fans ask me about that.
10:22
Like, why is Drake going to the G league?
10:24
Why doesn't he have more games where he's doing more stuff?
10:26
He has these nice flashes.
10:28
My answer is just that like the flashes
10:30
are what they are, they're flashes.
10:32
It's not like his comfortable, consistent skill set right now.
10:36
Right, if you need an ideal environment to produce
10:40
then you might not produce a ton.
10:43
That's just how basketball is.
10:45
I've kind of, in my old age,
10:48
I've become more of a hardliner.
10:50
Like, guys who produce will find a way.
10:53
And I'm not saying Drake will never produce
10:54
any will never be a good offensive player,
10:56
but I'm not, I'm not really hearing
10:58
the system or coaching staff arguments.
11:01
Like, yeah, flashes are flashes.
11:04
He's not doing it in every time.
11:06
And there's a reason for that.
11:08
And certainly he could be more aggressive.
11:10
I'm not saying that like, you know,
11:13
every three that he passes down or passes up
11:17
like that he doesn't shoot is good
11:19
or a reflection of his ability.
11:21
I think he certainly with a little bit of a mindset shift
11:24
could be shooting more.
11:27
But I don't think that he's not doing that
11:30
because the net's coaching staff is telling him to, you know.
11:36
All right, coming up.
11:36
We've got a few more questions on the mailbag.
11:38
Some about the net's fan atmosphere at Barclay Center.
11:42
Why are there more opposing teams fans?
11:44
How can the net change that and swing it back more
11:46
in their direction?
11:47
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11:49
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Got a few more questions here and then we're gonna close it out.
14:29
I became annoyed going to netscames where the opposing teams
14:32
fans are louder than Brooklyn Nets fans.
14:34
MPG recently mentioned this on a podcast.
14:37
What do you think would need to happen
14:39
for fans sharing to swing more in our favor?
14:41
Do you think it will ever change?
14:42
That's from Johnson.
14:44
And I mean, simply put like the nets need to get better.
14:47
That's a big part of it.
14:48
I mean, like there is a certain aspect of, you know,
14:50
like when the Nix come to town and the Lakers come to town,
14:53
like the Celtics, some of those teams,
14:54
like they're gonna have a ton of fans there.
14:56
But I think if you go back to like the big three era
14:59
when they were really cooking, like I remember
15:01
I was out a couple of the games
15:02
when the Nets played the Celtics
15:03
in the first round of the 2021 playoffs
15:06
and they were just blowing the doors off them
15:07
and maybe that's why it seemed much more like Nets fan dominated
15:11
but they were really loud.
15:13
And like I think that they need to get better.
15:15
I also think that I've said this, like I think the path
15:19
for them to growing a sustainable fan base
15:22
is having some sustainable success
15:24
and building it with homegrown talents,
15:25
getting somebody like one of these guys in the draft
15:28
who could become a multi-time all-star
15:30
and really like create some investment into the team.
15:33
So that and being better altogether,
15:36
I think will help it obviously.
15:37
But I do think also in New York,
15:40
like the Nix I think are always gonna be
15:42
like the big brother team
15:43
and then there's just a lot of fans of other teams.
15:45
But I think that it could be much less pronounced
15:47
than it is right now.
15:49
They gotta be good and they gotta have star power.
15:51
I mean, we've done this already.
15:53
The crowd was pretty good when they were really good
15:56
and they had stars, but there's not a lot of Nets fans.
16:00
That's just kind of the reality.
16:02
The Nets fans there are though are very loud.
16:04
I'll give them that and we'll see.
16:08
I mean, like yeah, they gotta get better.
16:09
So we'll see how that goes.
16:12
The draft, like May 10th is gonna be a massive date,
16:17
obviously, in regard to that question.
16:19
Oh, Lucas is like a...
16:21
I'm already nervous.
16:23
He's a pesky nervous.
16:24
I'm already nervous.
16:25
But this ties into that.
16:27
The Lucas's fandom, I guess you could say,
16:29
hey, Eric, first I wanna say congrats
16:31
on the engagement and thanks for the content.
16:33
Also, as a beat reporter, do you root for the team to lose
16:36
or are you more in favor of the Nets winning
16:39
because of the rookies?
16:40
That's from Tany G.
16:41
And look, I've said like, I'm a beat reporter.
16:43
I cover this team on this podcast
16:46
where I do get a ping and eight and I give my takes
16:48
on what I think is best for them.
16:49
But I don't root for them one way or another.
16:52
Obviously, there's guys who I cover on the team
16:55
who I like and I hope that they do well.
16:57
But you're supposed to be as unbiased
17:00
as impartial as you can as a reporter.
17:03
So that's my answer to the question.
17:04
Lucas, I feel like, has a different answer probably
17:08
with what his position is.
17:10
Yeah, that was a very diplomatic answer of you.
17:13
I write for a blog site and I used to try to kind of deny
17:17
that fact, but I got that position
17:20
because I grew up a Nets fan
17:21
and I wrote very opinionated things about the team.
17:24
And my relationship to them has changed now
17:27
that I'm around it all the time,
17:30
but I still feel a lot of things about the Nets
17:32
and I want what's best for them.
17:34
And I am not yet at the point in my life
17:37
where I can suppress that urge.
17:40
If someone wants to give me a full-time job writing about them
17:43
and pay me and demand that I show nothing
17:46
about the utmost objectivity, then maybe I'll reconsider.
17:51
Listen, I'm not actually the fool on press row.
17:55
I'm not in the press box cheering.
17:58
But you will, your biggest reactions are just when the Nets
18:02
or another team do something extremely stupid
18:04
and you're in like disbelief.
18:06
Like I feel like that's when you get the biggest reaction.
18:09
It's an objective basketball sort of reaction.
18:13
I'm curious about a bad turnover.
18:15
Lucas just hates bad basketball.
18:17
But I'm curious about what you said of your relationship
18:19
with the Nets has changed as you became doing the job
18:23
on an everyday basis.
18:24
Because that was something that I heard from people
18:27
who have kind of spoken to me, like experience reporters
18:30
and things along those lines.
18:31
You're like, I was an insane NBA fan.
18:35
This team, that team, NFL, whatever.
18:37
And then once you start doing it for a living,
18:40
that part of you kind of dies off
18:42
because it should become your daily grind.
18:44
But I guess you're fresh enough into it
18:46
that that hasn't happened, but what is your experience?
18:48
I think for me, that's just too simplistic.
18:52
It changes a lot, at least for me, but it doesn't die.
18:57
And part of it, again, is like I'm working,
19:00
I'm writing for a blog site, for a fan, for a blog site,
19:04
it's just like four fans by fans.
19:06
That's essentially the cell of Nets daily, right?
19:08
And Bob does not, my editor, Bob of Nets daily, the legend,
19:12
does not pretend not to be a fan.
19:14
Even though he might be the most comprehensive
19:16
all-in-one new source for the team.
19:19
And you know, we can get into kind of what
19:22
how the media landscape has changed.
19:23
There's a lot more people like me, like Bob,
19:26
where the line between reporter and blogger and fan
19:31
have all kind of been dissolved.
19:35
But for me, it would be wrong to say
19:38
that I'm not still a fan of the team.
19:40
It just would be a lie.
19:42
However, what that fandom means to me, I think,
19:46
is very unique in terms of the landscape of fandom.
19:51
It's certainly funny to have opinions about
19:55
your favorite basketball team,
19:56
and then what that means relative to your job.
19:59
And you'll have an opinion about the team,
20:03
and you'll either be carrying water
20:06
or committing subterfuge against the team.
20:09
You're like, it's a weird little spot.
20:12
Yeah, I've had the net's fans who come in,
20:16
and they're like, you want the nets to be bad,
20:18
you're ruining against them.
20:20
And then I guess maybe I do a good job of objectivity
20:23
because I haven't had too many people call me a homer,
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but I've had a lot of people who are like,
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you want them to be bad.
20:28
And I'm like, that's just nonsensical.
20:30
It's better for all of us if they're good in terms of...
20:33
It's better age difference.
20:37
Yeah, if the nets were really good right now,
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and they had a bunch of stars,
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the numbers on this podcast would be better.
20:43
I'd be making more money.
20:45
But I digress last question from a Sixers fan
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who hopped in here for some reason, Sixers fan here.
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Please take George and draft compensation
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off our hands this off season with all that net's cap space.
20:56
That's from Andrew Burns.
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I don't see that happening.
20:59
I think you guys are stuck with that Paul George contract.
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Might have to say probably the worst contract in the league,
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but Lucas, what's your take on that?
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What are my favorite players as a teenager?
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Seems like he was everybody's favorite player.
21:13
Like NBA players think that Paul George
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is like the second coming of Jesus, I feel like.
21:18
So you see it, just swag.
21:20
Just the way you move and dribble to that size.
21:24
Yeah, that's not happening.
21:25
I think they want to be...
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If he was like expiry next year, two years,
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it's not really that long,
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but just thinking about where the franchise wants to be.
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I don't think they're willing to commit that much money
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to him, even for a draft column.
21:43
Also just a circle back for a second.
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You can see how fandom gets funny when Eric says,
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yeah, if they were better,
21:50
my professional life would be better
21:52
and it'd be making more money.
21:54
You can see how then fandom starts to take on
21:56
a little bit of a different meaning.
21:58
There you go, there you go.
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But with that, that's all we got.
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Lucas, appreciate taking the time as always.
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This episode is gonna drop soon,
22:06
but we got the 76ers.
22:08
Are you going down to Philly or no?
22:11
Okay, Lucas will not be in Philly,
22:13
but the nets continuing to tank MPJ probably out
22:16
and it clacks them out, Drake Powell,
22:18
getting them out off for rest,
22:19
but the sixers are also short-handed.
22:21
So we'll see how that plays out,
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but we will definitely have you back on next week,
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but appreciate taking the time as always, man.
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That's all I got for you guys
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