Are Apps Parasitic to L1s? Debating Crypto's Value Capture | Roundup

In this week's roundup, we dive deep into the evolving dynamics between L1s and applications, exploring whether apps are truly "parasitic" to chains like Solana or if this represents a natural evolution of value capture in crypto. The conversation covers Abstract Chain's innovative approach to creator-focused L2s, Rari's strategic stack upgrades, and the latest developments in ZK tech including real-time Ethereum proving. Along the way, we challenge traditional assumptions about protocol value capture and discuss why vertical integration might be the key to crypto's consumer adoption. Enjoy! - - Follow Jill: https://x.com/jillrgunter Follow Nick: https://x.com/nickwh8te Follow Uma: https://x.com/pumatheuma Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_ Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExpansionPod Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM Subscribe on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3Vaubq1 Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (03:24) Is Crypto Cool Again? (07:21) Abstract Chain Launch (22:14) DEX Structural Advantage (24:11) Are Apps Parasitic to Solana? (36:18) Tech Demand Paradox (40:59) Rollup Platform Strategy (49:27) Rari's Upgrade (53:11) State of ZK - - Disclaimer Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation. Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.